Fake products from China: The real cost of knockoffs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- Everybody likes to feel they’re beating the system and getting a deal, and to some, fake kit might seem like a great way to save money. Many people will often assume it’s all made in the same factory anyway, so why should they care?
On the other hand, some might think they’ve found a great deal, not realising they’re not getting the real thing.
Counterfeit goods fund organised crime, from child labour to drugs and human trafficking, but they're also bringing very real dangers into our homes, from potentially lethal medicine and cosmetics to dangerous toys and electrical goods.
Knockoffs are also a huge problem in the automotive world, and not just with dangerous items like brake pads made of compressed leaves... UK jobs are being threatened by counterfeiters making copies of some of the most trusted names in UK motorcycling, causing damage to the brands and people's bikes.
Our exclusive investigation looks at the harm done to Lincolnshire's Evotech Performance, and the wider picture with an interview with the Anti-Counterfeiting Group.
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00:00 Intro
01:38 Real Evotech radiator guard
02:36 Meet the designers
05:52 How the parts are made
07:46 Are Chinese copies made in the same factory?
10:26 Counterfeit Chinese rad guards up close
16:50 Knockoff axle protectors examined
23:53 Fake crash protection that could ruin your engine
34:04 How it feels to be the victim of counterfeiting
37:52 The bigger picture of counterfeiting
47:42 Why it's never okay to buy fakes
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As an engineer myself I find these two guys very professional and knowledgeable. Great design and quality philosophy. I know where I'm buying my next bike parts from.
What an eye opener. EvoTech are obviously on my radar now as the standard others aspire to. Please continue this thread with other UK quality manufacturers.
Totally agree! Continue this thread Not only UK quality manufacturers but World Quality manufacturers..USA/Australian/German etc. Where is the responsibility with platforms like eBay & the likes? Another blatent show of money over ethics!
Oof not many UK quality manufacturers I see
Congrats, this entire Evotech advert did its job then. They may not have paid in money, but I'm sure both Bennetts and Evo benefited.
I own EvoTech accessories. After watching these Gents I’m going to most definitely be a lifetime purchaser of their fine authentic EvoTech products.
I honestly never ever work out why people buy expensive bikes and cover their bikes in tat.
Yes evotech is quite expensive but then so is everything that’s worth it’s salt. Brilliantly made and does the job it should, I live there stuff and have put it most of my bikes
Whenever I've bought something Cheaper its always turned out to be utter crap!!
A lot of times it's because they don't understand why it's cheaper. If you think it's the same thing you wouldn't buy the more expensive one. And some companies do sell stuff that is the same thing and just more expensive because we associate price with quality. And sometimes the most expensive items aren't as good as the moderately priced ones. Or the difference is not enough to be worth the extra price. Like is it worth the extra money to buy the EK Z3D chain vs an RK SXO? Just because the EK is more expensive doesn't mean you are getting more for your money.
@@trsskater Excatly.
Cheaper doesn't necessarily equal tat.
Used to work in engineering back in the UK in the 1980's. Those Evo Tech guys remind me of the best that I worked with; their whole sense of who they are is wrapped up in the products and business. This is the best of capitalism, innovation, investment, genuine care for safety, quality, and working conditions... I wish it was all like that.
Every time I order sometning directly from ET website I'm utterly impressed at the quality and finish of their products - it's like unboxing expensive custom made artisan jewlery. Oh and the shipping is always spot on even if you order it from the other side of a world (New Zealand here). Big respect for this company and their top notch accessories!
Another fantastic piece of work by you, John. The first half of the video, with Chris and Dan, was fascinating and it’s great to hear two guys at the peak of their game describe what makes their products worth the investment. Then onto the second half and some truly sobering information from Phil Lewis. How many “bargain hunters” know of the role they are inadvertently playing in funding organised crime and even international terrorism?
Thanks VERY much Paul! Cheers, John
So much of what you've revealed in this video I just wasn't aware of (slightly ashamed to admit that). To clarify, I always look to buy genuine items from reputable suppliers. I always have.
What I wasn't aware of before watching your video was the extent the counterfeiters go to, and the impact this is having on the manufacturers being copied. Much of the information in the vid is just shocking. Thanks to John for the time you've put into bringing us yet another top quality video.
I really appreciate you taking the time to fully investigate equipment and safety claims. Don’t worry about going into detail, we love you for it. Thank you!
Thanks so much! Happy new year, John
Great video. Really drives home the old adage "you get what you pay for" and explains why that's the case.
You can also see how seriously these guys take their job, the way their eyes scanned the first lot of fake rad guards!
Cheaper is never better and supporting companies like these is a no brainer.
That really was the first time they'd seen these ones. You don't always get what you pay for, but you'll never get what you don't pay for! Cheers, John
Those guys came across great. Already a big fan of Evotech and this means I will buy more from them. Support British manufacturers when they deserve it and support our economy - win win.
Im a fitter turner, tool maker, machinist and a welder fabricator.
I was on tools for 17yrs making everything from jet units for boats to hips, knees and shoulders.
I made nuts, bolts, screws and many other simple things as well.
I watched as 40% of my workload went to china, i was made redundant 4 times before i finally gave up and did something else.
I understand where the loss is.
I also understand why people want to buy elsewhere, especially here in NZ.
Most of the product you get here is imported because businesses like the ones i worked for end up out of business and you cant get those things made here anymore.
The thing that rips my shorts though is that it gets bought in by a middle man who puts a whopping markup on and then the store puts their markup ( often large as well) on top of the mark up.
I look at the UK and USA and think how lucky you are, i see your prices and then look at the ones from our stores and even with conversion of currency, we pay almost 3 times what you do for the same gear!
Also, guys, if you want to showcase what you do, show a dude that is wearing PPE when blowing swarf off stuff.
I've seen people lose eyes doing what he did.
We have a guy i worked with we called lemsip cause without his eye he looked like he was sucking on a lemon and all squinty.
WEAR PPE!!! ATGATT PEOPLE!!!
Them analysing the cheap parts was a riot. Professionals in the field 100%
I work in R&D and have to deal with this every single day. Not only is buying fakes sponsoring people who ruin the business, but also nearly always gets you an inferior product.
Thats the thing, I only buy stuff that are stamped by their own name, even if it is a replica. That tells me at least they are open to putting their name on it and making sure that name does not get tarnished. Fakes on the other are pretending to be some other brand so really dont care if those brake easily.
@@GrimYak You are going to have a though time figuring out if they are really produced by the brands they display at the front: the whole OEM industry is based on general manufacturers.
I’ve bought a few products direct from Evotech and they’re top-notch quality. As others have said, why on earth spend £15K-£20K on a bike then skimp on bolt-on parts? It’s a false economy. Problem is some other manufacturer charge ridiculous prices (£170 for a single-piece plastic mudguard!), and this leaves the market open to cheap fakes. The long-term issue that people buying cheap fakes don’t understand (or perhaps care about) is that IP theft will result in manufacturers like Evotech will give up. The fakers don’t design anything, they don’t (3D) scan the bikes, so either you won’t get any more products, or they’ll be total rubbish. Unfortunately China has found it very difficult to enforce IP protection, so it is better for customers like us to vote with their feet, ignore FB, Amazon, Alibaba et al. Just skip one evening meal down your local restaurant, you now have the money to buy the original product!
I like these guys instead of giving off like a school teacher or a boss or a manager they give off Dad energy when they explain things
Currently studying motorsport and at university. This makes me happy to see the dedication to their craft
It must be absolutely infuriating knowing that not only are your ideas and designs stolen and reproduced, but that quality is sub-par and your brand name will be damaged by erroneous reviews. Amazon and Alibaba should be held both legally and financially responsible whenever their market place is being used for selling counterfeit goods and if they can't clean up their act they should simply not be allowed to operate in EU/UK
Totally agree, but with Facebook too, the problem is huge! Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I dumped FB a long time ago; It was becoming a kindergarten for the crazies and the ignorants.
@@nickthequick Me too - I just have to use it for work.
Fuck Amazon, Alibaba, Taobao, and Facebook.
It's so informative to have the reps from the companies to share their insights to us consumers between their quality products compared to fake replicas.
I bought an exhaust hanger for my KTM Duke 390 from Evotech. Could not be happier. Literally no QC issues. The included rectifier guard is also extremely well made.
The timing of this video is on spot....
... I was about to buy a radiator guard for my 1290 SaS....
Evotech now got a new customer....
Great video! Showing the world behind the part. Having a background in manufacturing this makes sense. However some people don't and might just go for the cheapest option. A shame because it screws over your perception of what it costs to develop and make a good product. This is why I support genuine parts/tool brands by buying their stuff. I think the old saying "you get what you pay for" still stands
It does in many cases, but more accurately, you certainly don't get what you don't pay for! Cheers, John
Good piece of work! Big fan of EvoTech parts but this has given me an even greater level of respect for that they’re doing.
I knew someone who bought cheap non branded crash bars for his new BMW R NINE T.
One of the lower fixings for the bars replaces the bolt that goes through the frame into the block.
As he was torquing it he heard a loud crack, and soon realised the problem.
The supplied replacement bolt for the crash bar was too long for the threaded hole in the engine, only by a couple of mm but that was enough to crack the crank case when tightened up.
A 12 grand bike ruined by a £50 part.
I must admit I've got Chinese bar end mirrors on my bike that look great and have been absolutely fine, but I think when you're looking at anything functional beyond the aesthetics, you should buy from a reputable company.
That's awful!
This was fascinating. People who knowingly buy the fake stuff will do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify it, but we need to be as ethical as we expect the companies to be.
I have a Evotech tail tidy, sliders and radiator guard on my bike and the quality especially on the tail tidy is clearly ahead of the competition.
And this is why I buy British products direct from the manufacturer when possible. But Evotech’s eye for detail and quality means i’ve used them since I started riding and improving my bikes 5 years ago
My 16 y/o lad just bought a Brembo 4 pot caliper, c/w cnc machined adaptor bracket for 30 Quid.
Followed by a latest design Brembo h/bar m/cylinder c/w clutch lever for a cable clutch, for another 30 Quid.
Boxed in Brembo branded boxes with credit card like Brembo security logos.
Its out there folks.....
So sorry to hear that! I hope he's not going to use it!
@@bennettsbikesocial i fitted them and bled them up. Work great, look great, feel great.
Just sayin'....
After the EvoTech goodies I’ve bought for my CB650R last year I’ll only be going to them in the future. A cut above the rest of the market in terms of quality.
The added bits they put in their kits for quality of life are a real boon!
Keep up the amazing work EvoTech!
A greeting from South Korea. Very good video and very informative. So happy that I am using some of "genuine" Evo Tech accessories. Cheers
Excellent vid John, when you listen to the Evotech boys it gives you a reality check on how talented, innovative and skilled we are in this country.
Couldn't agree more! Cheers, John
I have used Evotech for years.
Had a tyre replaced recently and the ham fisted tyre guy over tightened the axle protector. Evotech we’re able to replace the part within 25 hrs. They are brilliant.
Another great video by your team. On a similar theme to the bike leathers video you did, you can’t protect people from themselves with their own buying habits! Even in the comments here there are suggestions that UK manufacturers are greedy, talk of inflated profit margins and that people will still buy the cheap knock-off shite because being cheapest is people’s only factor in making a buying decision. I feel sorry for people who have been genuinely duped into thinking they’ve bought a ‘genuine’ product, but if you’re buying new parts off eBay/Amazon/AliExpress when legitimate manufacturers have their own websites you can order from - then the clues are all there! It’s great that there are anti-counterfeit authorities who are trying to protect manufacturers, but it’s the buyers who need the information and education and I suspect a lot of that effort will fall onto deaf ears.
Thanks very much for this! It can get disheartening, but it's great to see that some people do get the point. All the best, John
A long video.... But more than worthy of your time. Extremely interesting.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
This is why we need to manufacture in our own country. I am from Australia and I have to import EVERYTHING. We used to be a proud manufacturing country but in the 1980's, politicians struck deals with China that locals could not compete with. Look at China today.....
As an engineer its great to see them analyse the fake product materials and production methods the copycats use and then explain the differences in the real products. People will always think there are cheaper alternatives that are better than nothing at all - what this shows is that in fact fitting cheap knock offs may make things far worse than fitting nothing. The average person has no idea about material type, manufacturing, hardness and finishing that make the parts reliable and safe.
As others have said, an eye opener, especially when you realise they will damage your bike, not protect it.
This is easily the best program that I have ever seen concerning the immense problem and cost, both in monies and potentially in lives from choosing cheap versus the brand that has done all of the upfront engineering and investment. My Ducati has Evotech and after watching this they will always have me as a customer. Well done video!
Thanks so much! All the best, John
boggles the mind how you can look at your pride and joy whether its a cheap or expensive bike and put cheap crap part onto it...
What makes this all worse is the UK based client who has bought a cheap part, that damages their bike, and then tries to chip the local workshop down on price , as they have already spent a good bit of their budget on the "Wrong thing" in the first place. This is a huge problem.
Good video, as always. I really rate Evo-Tec products and fit them to every bike I buy. I've just placed an order from Evo-Tec themselves this morning for my new Multistrada V2s which will be with me on March 1st.
Excellent, and enjoy the new Ducati! Cheers, John
Amazon is the worst for this.
I literally cannot buy clothing without getting counterfeit garbaoge.
Another great video. Have had a number of Evotech products over the years and always fit spot on and the online fitting instructions are easy to follow. Nice to see the personalities behind the company. Good work 👍🏻
I'm really glad you make these videos so we can understand why these parts are so expensive. It almost feels unreasonable when you think it's just a simple part. And what they are doing goes beyond better quality. It's to do exactly what they intend for it to do. I have found companies like Atlas that claim to make it a there stuff in house to find out from some Chinese sellers they were making it from before Atlas as a established. So they are pretty much up selling Chinese parts although made in Taiwan where labor is cheaper. As where Evo Tech is actually researching and teating to make good parts.
Bottom line is that you pay for what you get. And when you obviously pay for quality, you will get quality. When you pay very little you get junk.
Evotech do some very nice kit and well worth the money you can tell how good it is just by looking at the packaging, great video 👍
Liked the lads so went on their website to find they don’t support many bikes made before 2016. What a shame!
Gutted! I'm in the same boat with my 1999 ZX-6R though...
It's all down to design and tooling though as they explained. If something 'will fit' from another model, obviously it's an easy swap. But most won't. The investment needed in tooling for an older bike that isn't current and isn't being made anymore will most probably outweigh the return.
I'm the same with my 2003 R6, although immaculate, it's old now and can't get much for it anymore, apart from levers and bobbins.
@@mickl8212 totally understand. That’s why I said it’s a shame. I’d rather buy uk then Chinese but I don’t have much choice
things I can't stand
1. ruroc helmets
2. squids
3. people who buy fake ebay/aliexpress parts
And scammers and scammers selling fake parts
Wish I had seen this before ordering from the big on line site, I didn't realise that it was coming from outside the uk. Looks like I will have to put it down to experience and the old saying "Buy cheap, buy twice will apply.
I was curious, because it was mentioned in the comments and even in the video that genuine parts are so much more expensive, so I looked up the price for a rad guard for my SV 650, Evo Tech £57 plus shipping, and a ebay clone, best price was £48 plus £1.80 shipping from China. And they're other stuff was pretty much the same difference in price. This may not be true for all they're gear, I never checked, but there site is bookmarked with me because if it's only a nine quid difference for something that supports local jobs and economy I reckon its worth it.
That’s kinda what I do as well. It simply comes down to money for me. I prefer to support local and domestic products from parts to food. If it’s within 25% difference I buy local. If it’s twice expensive it makes it a much harder decision. Great video!
Great work! It is a good thing you do to put it in perspective, the economic short an long term effect it has on booth jobbs and for a country. Then the safety aspect of bying stuff that in worst case, can kill you.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Excellent video. I have just started to fit my new Street Triple R out with the EP products and tail tidy and rad guard are next. Superb bits of kit. Really pleased that they are keeping production in the UK 👏👏👏👏👍👍
Yet again, a simply fantastic and in depth production. Really appreciate the time it must take to produce, credit to the whole production. team.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Most important is that, we gat a culture of riders to buy genuine parts, cannot understand why someone would spend over 12k on a motorcycle and then skimp on proper protection or ppe due to cost. This is why great companies in UK loose their business. We need to support these great companies and wise up. If its too cheap, its because it is made cheap
Truly happy that you address this topic and bringing awareness onto biking community. Thank you . Living in SEA its a challenge to obtain / verify genuine parts even when one has parted with big bucks.
Is it safe to assume, EP’s Gear / Brake levers are also made in house at EP UK factory? I asked elsewhere it in the past n received no reply. I eventually settled for another brand.
Thanks again for the wonderful video.
Remembering awhile back at a track day the operators virtually begged the riders not to use cheap Chinese front brake levers because of the problems caused by them He requested riders to use OE or reputable make such as EvoTech
Have bought EP product direct from their premises since 2010, always totally happy.
I´ve been using Evotech products for many years. Design and quality is well worth the cost.
Won't use anything less than EP. Lincolnshire made, race proven and bloody brilliant. Their service is ace too.
Those chaps are the real deal, in every way.
Really interesting video too that showcases a great British business. Best TH-cam video I’ve seen in a long time. 👍👍👍
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I've used the Evotech tail tidy before on a Thruxton 1200 R which was a work of art, so well designed to stop mud/water entering the underside on the bike whilst retaining the ability to use the stock indicators for the retro look. All the parts lined up and all the bolts fitted perfectly making the fitting process a pleasure.
Definitely prioritizing Evotech for a ZX4RR 2024 tailtidy and radiator guard after watching this video!
My Ducati Pikes Peak 1260’s tail tidy and radiator guard are EvoTech and the stuff is absolute quality. 👌
I have a Evotech tail tidy on my Triumph Street Triple 675...Its well made, has all the parts necessary supplied...no cutting the original loom.... all except the reg light wiring are hidden inside the unit and looks part of the bikes original fitting... Best tail tidy on the market ..
Absolutely brilliant video. The passion in them 2. I have always bought R&G products. But will definitely be buying there products from now on👌👍
Brilliant video. I think this is relavant across the world especially in my country, India.
It’s just plain criminal that “companies” who copy others work and identity theft don’t get the treatment they deserve. I never have, never will buy a cheap knock off, especially when you consider the investment you make with the purchase of any motorbike. Why risk it just to save a fraction of the cost of the total package. If it’s cheap, it’s cheap for a reason. Great video. Thank you.
Yes. It's theft is what it is. And buying it amounts to a general promulgation of dishonesty on planet Earth.
@@anypercentdeathless 100%! Why is this still allowed to continue in this day and age. People can go to jail for taking ones companies intellectual property to a competitor. My own company spent $200k on an ex engineering manager who copied all of the IP and started his own business. Greed. The only sad part of it was, when the judge ruled in our favour, was that he lost everything. Inclusive of a wonderful wife and children. Plus it took 2 years for a decision was made. Some people just either don’t get it or simply just don’t care.
Spent €20k on new bike last year......had no issues shelling out €500 on evotech crash protection & tail tidy.
Big fan of EvoTech products, got various bits on my Street Triple. Can’t fault the customer service either, I somehow managed to crossthread the front spindle bar, explained to them what I’d done and they sent a replacement out free of charge a few days later 👍🏼
Love seeing a couple of techies not just some PR dude!
Excellent work, very informative. It was really interesting to see behind the scenes at Evotech too ... they really put a lot of effort into producing high quality British made parts. I love that they even make their own bolts 😊
Thanks very much! I agree - you can't help but be impressed when wandering around the workshop. Good cups of tea too!
Excellent video, thanks John, really informative.
Cheers! John
the biggest issue is that people still buys them, the same with stolen goods, people want to buy stuff for chep without paying taxes and without asking its origin, this wont stop until people buy only from trusted sources
If people want to buy fake/cheap products after watching this or similar videos, they only have themselves to blame if they trash their bike
@@ThePresidentofMars agree 100%
Then again as counterargument: I've got a set of Arashi rearsets
these things are now offered by brands like Hotbodies and Accosatto
only difference: the silkscreen and they close to doubled the price
Also
I also have a set of Evotech adjustable levers, I'm pretty sure Pazzo came up with the mechanical system
Never had a bad part from EP, it's awesome quality gear, everything has always fit beautifully and stayed looking great the whole time it was on the bike, it's a pleasure to have a bit of EP on all of my 4 bikes.
Great video. I have an Evotech satnav mount. Lovely piece of design and machining. I'd definitely use Evotech again. Let's support UK businesses! 🇬🇧
Great video guys. Well done for pointing this out to people!
Very good video.
I think we all agree that any r&d should be paid. What most of us disagree on is the huge mark-ups a lot of companies are making (Apple, Cartier, etc). And that's what the counterfeiters rely on.
At the end of the day, there's a difference between buying a fake bag (if you're into that!), and fake brake pads, etc. where your life is at risk!
Purchased all my bits for the bike from Evotech - Just waiting for the likes of chain adjusters, petrol cap and engine casing protectors for the Aprilia 660 range
Explains how Amazon has made so much money. 🙄
Thank-you for producing such a beneficial video. Great stuff! 🏍
I love Evotech products and love even more to get that inside view of how they make their products.
Brilliant interview and vlog, thanks
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
In the UK it's also a crime to buy something at a price or from a source that could not be considered legitimate
Love the EvoTech gear. Have tail tidy on my s1000r and 890r, rad guard on my S1000r waiting patiently for stocks of the 890r rad protector to come back in. Absolute quality parts
Thanks for explaining everything in easy way. Also making bikers aware of fake and cheap spare parts and components.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
I've purchased Evotech products for years! Their product quality is OEM-like if not better. I just wish they would include engine case guards in their product line. Cheers from Canada.
Do you mean sump guards? If so, they sell them here: evotech-performance.com/collections/motorcycle-engine-guards Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I think they're referring to the clutch, oil, stator, etc cases on the sides of the bike. you could argue that the oggys fulfil this job but if evotech is listening: if you make it people will buy it
@@motoshan Correct.
I have purchased many many EvoTech parts - crash bobbins, tail tidies, etc. Always from them direct. You get what you pay for and I'm glad to pay their prices. I have an S1000RR M and wouldn't cheap out on crap from eBay it has genuine Evotech stuff on it. The worse thing about them is they are sometimes out of stock!! Thanks John for the great video.
Very well put together presentation! Thank you for shining a bright light on this significant problem. Hats off to the Evotech lads for doing the right thing by their customers, including myself.
Brilliant video 👌 I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've tried the cheap Chinese option ... and I've always been left disappointed. Get what you pay for, buy cheap, buy twice ... fact.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
It's just gutting to see guys like this who are dedicated to their business and their products getting ripped off by the Chinese. Other than your local takeaway buying Chinese will always end in tears.
This is horrifiying , I saw fake NGK spark plugs under scrutiny , and now safety critical parts , I would be boiling as a manufacturer !
Great piece! Excellent to see how much thought the EvoTech folks put into their work, and how poorly the knock-offs compare.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
With the rad guards, the fake one with the S1000RR logo, the RR is actually from the Fireblade logo. Might seem small but detail is detail.
Good spot! Though the quality of fixings is more of a worry!
Very good and informative video, the money involved is truly staggering, some main online selling places need to step up and cut the fake sellers out rather than just thinking of there own profits. Also yes EvoTec stuff is top quality and just fits.
Very interesting this well done John
That was a very good and importantly informative video. Thank you for your work in getting this out to us.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I am one of the Chinese victims, aliexpress stupid buyer!
I end up paying to repair my bike, because I use those products. My advice is, STAY AWAY FROM FAKE PARTS!!!
I don't know Evotech, but they are on my suppliers list now.
Very informative thanks. 👍😊
Great piece. When you see the guys and the set up at Evotech you understand why their products are so good. It brought up some very interesting points on tax and jobs as well and wider criminal impacts.
Ive got R&G crash bobbins, casings and tail tidy at the moment but for my second bike in the future ill give these guys a go!