Which AA Battery Last The Longest?
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The camera made the dying batteries so much more apparent. That was cool.
Ya for the fan test you can see the speed of each fan because of the camera's shutter speed. Human eyes can't see that. It was really cool to view it that way.
yeah. as is slowed down it was closer to matching the frame rate of the video
I wanted to see if he'd had any point of footage where the shutter speed matched the fans rotation speed and just for a small bit you might see the blades stand still.
@@talaeyn8326 that would be cool
The Duracell fan looked animated when it started slowing. I thought I looked pretty cool
I definitely recommend doing a “best rechargeable battery” video. Test their starting power, how long they take to charge, how long they last, how fast the battery degrades, ext…
Energizer and GP are the BEST rechargable by far,
I know itd be cool for him to do it, but if you need results now-project farm did battery tests a few years ago
@@chuckkolancz4969 yeah I’m sure I could find videos of that on TH-cam. I just want to see Tyler’s flair that he adds to his video. You know? But thank you for the top on where I can find it :)
Panasonic Eneloop for me. By far the best I’ve tried.
@@greekveteran2715 I have used Energizer rechargeable batteries and various others for years. Like you said, Energizer is 2-3 times the life of the competition. The only thing I have noticed with Energizer aa bats is that there are 2 sizes. I want to say 1200 and 1600 mAh. So the smaller one is a significant difference.
TLDR =
1. Thunderbolt Edge - 7:47:49 5 cents/hr
2. Energizer - 6:59:09 12 cents/hr
3. Amazon Basics - 6:33:52 5 cents/hr
4. Energizer Lithium - 5:56:34 33 cents/hr
5. Duracell - 5:41:12 13 cents/hr
6. Powermax - 5:05:46 4 cents/hr
7. AC Delco - 3:58:21 8 cents/hr
8. Thunderbolt Magnum - 3:35:46 8 cents/hr
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The lithium can just dump more power into the fan. It's just a fan and a switch. The lithium was running faster but didn't last as long. Overall it provides more power but kills itself faster.
Like Americans
Lithium is more used in cameras. Something you don't use continuously ?? My Blink system and Sony camera ask for them.
Yeah, lithium batteries provide 100% at all times, even when it’s just about to die. Alkaline slows down and gives less of a consistent current as it’s used
@@brotheman11 That's about what I was thinking as well. Lithium is more for electronics that could be negatively affected by the slow power dropoff due to decreasing voltage.
Lithium batteries are expensive, but they have some significant advantages: They perform well in very cold temperatures, have a shelf life measured in decades, and do not leak and destroy expensive equipment. Well worth the money in the right use case.
Tyler just sits in his garage and sits there for hours and is probably bored out of his mind to tell us how long a battery lasts, love this man.
Keeping cool though 😮
Actually depleted batteries do weigh less than they do when fully charged, it's just that there is no consumer grade scale that is sensitive enough to detect the extremely small difference.
It's a physics thing. A compressed spring also weigh more than the same spring in a relaxed state. .
Pretty sure that’s not true. The whole conservation of mass thing and all…
@@TheCoolcatcleoI promise it is true.
That's not true, a spring will weigh the same compressed or related. Same with the battery, it has the same amount of electrons charged or dead, they are just on the opposite side
@@danelfernandez6571 that's not true. you can even look it up. Depleted batteries weigh less. you can even google it. THere is NOT the same amount of electrons charged vs dead.
@@danelfernandez6571 From what I understand it is true on a relativistic scale, but the change in mass is incredibly small. Think of E=mc2. The energy in the spring system is higher when compressed (or stretched) as it is "stored" as potential energy. c would be the speed of light constant, so the only remaining thing in the system that could change is the mass.
I would love to see if the thunderbolt edge batteries are consistently this good within a pack or between the packs. Redoing the fan and light test with either a whole pack or a battery from multiple packs and comparing data for variation would be interesting
Good suggestion. And all in the SAME device. Not all manufactured devices are the same. There can be some slight variances.
excellent suggestion. The thing with batteries is that there are a lot of factors that count. Storage, age, even application and how long they are next to other batteries.
For a proper test, you should actually use batteries with the same manufacturing date.
Definitely.
Yes ….repeat repeat and compare various lots !!!
Yes same. I would grab like 3 from each package and set up 9 fans and see what happens.
its kinda scary watching him do semi-professional science. he's unlocked more of his brain.
not really
He's learnding
He just spent his skill points, no worries
@@MonstertruckBadass forza?
Needs at least: 1) Replication. There could have been variances in the fans themselves that affected power draw. Should have had 5+ fans for each battery and both taken the average time and examined the variance (quartiles, SD, SE, etc), 2) Should have checked either if the blade rotation rate or the power draw of each fan was the same at the start. Some batteries may have output more power and spun the blades at a faster rate, while also draining the power faster. Probably a few other variables there as well.
The idea to use fans on camera for this test was honestly just brilliant.
Finally there are reasonably affordable AA-sized Li-Ion rechargables. They are amazing. BTW, There is more to batteries than their longevity. Some batteries are better for heavy loads, others for long length at low currents, or under various surge behaviors, etc. Energizer ultimate lithium is also a favorite. Energizer alkaline are also very good. Eneloop NiMH batteries are fine if you can deal with 1.2V instead of 1.5. BTW, the expired batteries are probably micrograms lighter because of E=mc^2 and all that. EV's weigh a couple grams more when fully charged. It is not a nonsequitur to say that this is why people are so excited about the prospect of nuclear fusion.
You have also demonstrated one reason why people prefer lithium technologies for EVs, power tools, etc: -- the output, after an initial fall-off, remains nearly constant until it drops below useful levels. Thus, devices can rely on full power until there is none, a good feature.
Personally, I love the dragging out! It shows how dedicated and intrigued you are. Love your videos, keep being you!
The brilliant change of background, how much more perfect can you get? Great vid as always Tyler!
Good for you for getting a sponsor. I find this video put together and much better than your normal test/comparison videos. The gold standard would definitely be any video from 'Project Farm'. Your lineup of fans/batteries was easy to see and actually measuring time for each was well done...actual measurable data which you don't often do, imo. In this test, for example, I'd recommend you get one of those RPM measuring devices and you could have measured rpm of each on the hour or something until they died.
Anyway, well done and good improvement in your testing/comparison process and video.
Keep it up!
The now sadly discontinued "Alkalisk" AA batteries from of all places Ikea were basically the best i've ever used that were non-lithium disopsables. Same with rechargable, the "Ladda" AA's from Ikea were just as good as, or often longer lasting than my eneloops.
Ikea Ladda's literally are Eneloops. They're the same battery from the same plant. Literally just a different wrapper on it
That's what I thought too i bought a ton of ladda aa cells before they changed the label to green which i don't know if they are as good.
i remeber like in 2015 so not sure if they still ahv ethem that the publix brand batteries were good adn i saw batteries for decen tprice at bells and citi trends i woulden tthink would find that there
More Harbor Freight locations than Ikeas, so there could be less overall driving to move on but you still need to use disposable batteries.
In middle school the duracells crushed it during a battery test for science class. Sad to see then fall. I think Amazon basics will be my next try. Would love to see store brand batteries tested since I work at Walmart, if those are good, then saves me a trip.
I've been using Amazon Basics Rechargeable Nickel Metal Hydride AA Batteries for the past 6-7 years. The first 4 batteries are still going strong, and are showing absolutely NO sign of aging or loss of charge. The box came with 16 batteries, I'm still on the first four. I still have 12 that haven't been used. That's how good they are. Down with the Lithium/Lithium-Ion garbage, up with Nickel Metal Hydride. Nickel Metal Hydride and Nickel Cadmium Master Race! 😀
Thanks Tyler. I been asking the same question for years. I always wondered what double a battery lasts the longest. I would of never thought In a million years that the thunderbolt edge would turn out to be the best battery.
Even compared to twice or more of a price difference. It's cheaper to just change a cheaper battery than to have a more expensive one run an extra hour.
@@curbotize I agree with you 💯.
@@curbotize Even cheaper to buy rechargeable and even more environment friendly (although can be debated with how we make them, still creates less waste though.)
Take Tyler's test with a grain of salt. Not every device runs the same as a fan. Each battery is going to have a unique discharge curve that may lend itself more useable in different scenarios. For example, in a higher discharge device, the lithium would've been head and shoulders about the alkalines, getting triple the runtime in an item like a high powered flashlight or a camera flash.
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I would be curious to see tests for national store brand batteries such as Walgreens, aldi, Albertsons, cvs, Kroger, Walmart etc. Otherwise I'll definitely be looking into the thunderbolts
Dude, check out the Dollar tree Sunbeam alkaline. They are the reigning king in my own experience around my house and you cannot beat the price.
@@The_Conqueeftador they are the best in price, but they don't last long and by the time you keep replacing them you could've just bought a better performing battery. I stopped buying those a few years ago
@@The_Conqueeftador Those are only good for remotes, literally.
Thunderbolt Edge definitely beats the Sunbeams in value, especially when they're on sale or you have a 30% off coupon, and you go to Harbor Freight regularly.
video by video, tyler is working his way towards a phd in experimental physics. next step is when he pulls out the excel charts. you can do this tyler!
edit: 29:47 - i spoke too soon, he has done just that! way to go tyler, you are getting more scientifically rigorous ;)
In other words, you watched the video through, then made the comment and edited it immediately.
@@X22GJP yep
I have to say I'm a fan of this video. the results really blew me away...
The best rechargeable AA battery's would be a good follow up.
Agreed
my energizers have been recharged for over 5 years now...they're the only ones I have tried though
I thought about this and the time it would take to truly test them would take so long I don't know if it would be worth it to him lmao
@@Doja421 I bought my first set of rechargeable AA batteries about 15 years ago and they finally died a couple of months ago.
That's pretty easy. Enloops might not last as long per charge but can be charged 1000s of times and still perform
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Can we just give a bit of respect to Tyler for thinking of these video ideas.
testing batteries is a wild video idea?
Stealing from Project Farm is not coming up with wild ideas. Down to the same fans used to test them. th-cam.com/video/CzZrB974Zro/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ProjectFarm
Application is key here. I have an outdoor sensor for an indoor/outdoor thermometer. I use only Energizer Lithium for this, due to temp extremes. It gets direct sun in the morning and well below freezing temps at night during the winter. Each cell lasts about two years. There is a transmitter pulse every 20 or 30 seconds. The weight savings adds up with multi cell flashlights. Great video! A real bargain is the Panasonic Carbon Zinc AA. Very inexpensive, and they last longer than the cost might indicate.
do it again with rechargeable batteries
and once they die, do it one more time after you've charged the dead batteries
@Amd Power ok, same thing would go for the batteries tested in this video. I wanna see what types of rechargeable batteries will last over others, what their prices are, and how recharging effects them. The non rechargeables we saw in this video have varying price points, some lasted longer than others even though they costed less. I wanna see if that holds true for some brands and if the lower price will effect the quality of recharge
th-cam.com/video/CzZrB974Zro/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ProjectFarm since Tyler is just stealing ideas now. Down to the same fans. Project Farm even does a one year update for them.
The best part of the Thunderbolt Edge is that they go on sale all the time, so they are an even better value than what's shown in the video.
Try making an rpm measure of the fanblades with the Edge and the Lithium, you should see a decent difference. Lithium have a higher discharge rate, so they power things to the max from start to finish.
Yeah, it's not just about runtime. A battery that delivers less peak performance because it has a lower voltage under load, can actually increase runtime, because it basically chokes whatever it's running, making less current flow through the circuit it's powering, and thus run longer
Ok, camera nerd here... lithium batteries tend to do best, from my experience, in high-drain non-continuous applications, like cameras and flash units. In that case, they pull really hard for a short amount of time and then sit basically idle until the next time the camera/flash is fired. I know that cameras (or off-camera flash units) will chew through alkaline batteries like candy, but lithium versions (and lithium-ion rechargeable) seem to fair a lot better. I put my Speedlight's rechargeable Li-ion batteries in a flashlight once just because I didn't have any new AA batteries handy, and it lasted about 1/3 the time it normally takes to run down a set of normal Energizers. And yes, for those of you thinking, "those rechargeable batteries must have just been worn out or charged badly or something," that was a fairly new set of batteries and they'd only been used in a smart charger. Alkaline and Lithium just seem to be optimized for different applications, from what I've seen
What about for kid toys?
Wait, rechargeable Li-Ions from a Speedlight that are the size of an AA? Those only contain very small 3.7 V lithium cells and a voltage converter that converts it to 1.5 V. These are really inefficient (because of the converter) and with very little capacity.
If you want to compare on an even playing field, you need an AA flashlight that also takes real 14500 Li-Ion cells with 3.7 V. You'll see that the Li-Ion will run the flashlight longer at the same brightness, and about the same amount of time at a higher brightness (that can't be reached with AA batteries or NiMH)
Your test is flawed my friend.
Just wanted to say I can recognize how much work this took, I bet the post production work took twice as long as the filming. Good video now test how well different brands of flushable wet wipes break down
Answer: they don't and they create fatburgs. Get a bidet or moisen a wad of TP before you go.
Interesting test and a lot of work! 3 points I'll make. 1-Lithium batteries keep up their voltage until near the very end when they suddenly dive off the cliff. There is little warning. 2-Unless you have the actual manufacturing dates you don't know how long any of these batteries sat on a shelf or in a warehouse (4 months, 1 year, 2 years, who knows and under what conditions?). 3-Most important. I've made this comment on other battery test videos. In my professional experience the Duracell battery is the worst battery anyone can use in their electronics. They leak terribly. In the television studio I managed for ten years we often found devices ruined by leaking Duracell batteries (and in my personal equipment too). We got to the point where Duracell batteries were banned from the studio and forbidden to be used in any of our equipment. We became Energizer fans.
Does anyone remember the Duracell batteries that you pressed and it showed how much life was in the battery?
I do, those were the good old times, they were called Duracell power check.
And you had to push so damn hard on the thing it made your fingertips hurt? Yeah those were fun to have as a kid.
I still have some of them surprisingly
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Slight critique. There could be manufacturing differences in those fan, especially if they are cheap. There could be pretty varying current draws from one fan to the next
same I was thinking, variance of motors and the blades
I remember when Energizer didn't have the Max. When the Max was being made, it was compared to the non-Max Energizer batteries. I guess they stopped making the non-max and just kept the labeling?
I still find non MAX , MAX and MAX PLUS which are their best Alkaline. They added the "MAX" label every time they produced a better Alkaline, that lasts longer. Their non "MAX" label are the common Alkaline they make, the MAX are the middle of the road and the MAX PLUS are their best ALkaline that lasts the longest. Their 2000 mAh rechargable, are actually 2300mAh and generally, these are the BEST batteries I've tested personaly. Panasonic are overated for what they are. The Eneloops patend that got from SANYO is not that bad, but their common Panasonic Alkaline, are some of the worst batteries out there! Duracel isn't bad, but not as good as Energizers are, and they also are suspectible to leakage... Energizer was is and probably will always be the best. Another brand I suggest are GP .
alot of stores dont carry non max ones anymore
The problem with Duracell is that we noticed leaving them in whatever your using them for, they tend to leak battery acid and you have to throw away your items, ie flashlight, Christmas decorations, child toy, etc. We switched to the Energizer which do not leak and corrode .
@BellaDonna49 I noticed the same thing with Duracell, all these years of using them I just thought it was the nature of the beast but now I know better and have stopped using Duracell.. there are many post online about the leaking issue with Duracell. I now use Energizer MAX
I've had just the opposite experience. I am a retired electrical engineer. In my business I had custom dataloggers that needed to operate for 30 days. The batteries operated in series with a series diode across an ac supply wall wart acting as a simple UPS. It was only the Duracell batteries that never gave me leakage and corrosion issues. The Duracell batteries would last months in this configuration. Other manufacturers' batteries including the Energizer brand would leak and corrode the battery holder terminals. I only trusted using the Duracell batteries.
Incredibly well done sir! Appreciate the great lengths you went to, to collect and record and present all of that data. I feel like we all have wondered this and I know different battery types are better for different applications but you really demonstrated things well and solid data presentation
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Ran my own test on Energizer Lithium and Thunderbolt Edge batteries. Put them in a 512 Eotech, and the Edges can't keep up with the power demand. The Energizers stayed brighter longer, and last about 35 minutes more. Ran them both on the highest setting. If you need a consistent output I would just deal with the more expensive Energizer Lithium batteries. But for everyday items the edges are good.
I'm always impressed how well many of the amazon basics products do.
agreed
I almost exclusively use Amazon basics phone chargers for my iPhone and they always outlast my Apple chargers at a fraction of the cost
It's like ozark trail. They source generic Chinese plants and slap their brand on em.
Chinese slave labor makes em cheap
The problem is its different each batch.
In US they use panasonic, in my country they use Fujitsu.
Its not consistent
When a battery is advertised as "Lasting X times longer", They generally compare them to standard Carbon batteries or their most basic battery. Rarely they compare to opposition batteries of the same type.
If you do this again, I’d love to see you include the batteries from dollar tree!
Yea I’d like to know the difference between those and harbor freight magnum, I switched from dollar tree to those lol
I was thinking the same thing, but a comparison between all the dollar store batteries like Dollar General, Dollar Tree, and Family Dollar.
I came here to say the same thing
I had tiny christmas lights on my desk at work, used Dollar Tree batteries to run them, thinking the lights were so small they wouldn't take much juice to run, but I found myself switching out the Dollar Tree batteries about every 2hrs... just wasn't worth the hassle OR the money because it didn't actually save anything.
Include the battery I made for my high school science project.
I normally won't watch videos that are over 15 minutes but this was very entertaining.
I had walked past thunderbolt edge batteries numerous times, decided to buy one day when they were on sale. I am impressed 🔋
Lately I've been looking to try those newer style rechargeable batteries. They have almost all the sizes and they charge by micro usb. I don't think they last longer run time wise but the extended life and number of uses are suppose to be a major difference.
Same I thought they were cool. They cost about as much as rechargable batteries+a battery recharger though. And when your normal rechargable battery eventually dies you can get new ones pretty cheap or you can get more if you need more than the ones that initally come with the recharger. So I do not think they are really worth it yet. That being said these are certainly convinient as you can charge them with a battery pack while travling for example. Generally if you go through a lot of batteries lets say with a wireless controller, even these more expensive ones are gonna be worth it eventually. It's also better for the environment.
I use rechargeable batteries for my Xbox controller. They are great.
Shoot, now there are some that charge with USB-C.
I use Duracell rechargeable batteries. No micro USB tho. Bought them earlier this year. For things that need frequent battery changes they're worth it.
@@ThePrufessa The main issue with the Duracell rechargeable cells is that they have switched to Chinese made cells.
As such, they are quite inconsistent from cell to cell.
This is fairly common with Chinese cells.
The older Duracell rechargeable cells were Japanese made, and they were pretty good, (and were likely relabeled Enerloops)
The 2 look IDENTICAL, except for the text stating "made in xx".
It's nice to see Tyler interacting so nicely with his fans!
the best battery that i remember using in every nerf gun is the radioshack enercel. they for some reason increased the speed of the motors making it shoot faster, and lasted just as long.
RIP Radio Shack 📻 😢
I literally did this as a 4th grade science fair project...this is sick. We concluded that normal (not extra strength) Duracell were the best, they did not last the longest, but had the best price/hour ratio. This is so cool to see more than 10 years later...good vid
Duracells defo last longest in my experience especially if you use them till they die in one day like in a radio or flashlight being used for like 12 hours continuous use but don't leave them in anything more than a week they leak BIG TIME! I've had lots of stuff ruined by them including wall clocks. They come in packages that say they are guaranteed for 10 years but if you but them up somewhere to store them they'll leak out and be ruined in only a few years, they are GARBAGE for long term storage or intermittant use of something over a few years. I switched to Energizer that's the 2nd longest lasting IMO and they don't leak!!!
Just wondering how sharp an A4 battery can get...?!🧠
Oh yeah grinding an acid filled container, very smart 🧐 I’ll try it and tell u how it goes
@@maxgotthemstacks661 Grinding an acid filled container....sounds like getting nasty with a bottle of balsamico vinegar 😁
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@@toxictrumptube7763 Now that you put it that way, it makes sense, balsamic vinegar is a battery
I wish there was also a convenient way to test how consistent the performance between all the batteries in a package was, but without taking the time to do all these tests for every battery in all those packs idk how you’d get a big enough sample size to draw a meaningful conclusion.
Also seven hours to sit in a garage is a lot, the sacrifice for science is appreciated!
This was a really good, very informative video. Thank you very much for making this!
The Thunderbolt Magnum you talked about comes in an 18 pack and is regularly $6.99. I watch for when they go on sale at $5.00 making them cost about $0.27 each. I buy them and use them all the time! At that price they don't have to last as long, but this test proves they last longer! Thank you for this vid! Also the other battery from Harbor Freight that you tested is a Heavy Duty battery, not an Alkaline battery. I think they cost about $2.99 for a 24 pack. The alkaline ones cost about $4.99 on their frequent sales and I would almost guarantee they would last roughly 5 hours.
HF calls them ALL "Thunderbolt Magnum" -which is idiotic and the need to be contracted- but the best ones are the blue "Edge" batteries. He indeed tested the orange standard alkaline batteries they have, but for some reason had a picture of their yellow "heavy duty" battery.
Thunderbolt Edge...I saw this and bought 2 18 count packs the next day on sale for 3.98 per pack for walkie talkies.. they are working well so far. the previous "new" batteries were Magnavox brand and the walkie talkies turned ff after 1 transmission. the box said good till 2032!
Damn you're getting more and more scientific with each video!
He said let's find something more beautiful to look at and picks the picture of him looking like "Duhhhh" love this dude
I've always found energizer to be better value and last longer than duracell - I was surprised to see how well Amazon Basics did though!
duracell is puurelly marketing there batteries were never that good as they claim
For many years I’ve used them in test equipment. For sitting in test equipment, then needing that test equipment, I found Duracell the best bang for my buck. Also had a lot less issues with the battery leaking into my devices. Kind of hard to replicate this kind of test, except for many years of experience. Just my usage, experience and two cents.
Another thing to note here. Energizer Ultimate Lithium are for specific use, such as wireless cameras. They are not recommended for use in say keypad deadbolt locks.
Chat GPT analyzed the transcript and gave me this....Based on the testing results you described, here is the order of the AA batteries ranked from longest to shortest lasting:
Harbor Freight Thunderbolt Edge - Lasted 7 hours 47 minutes 49 seconds.
Energizer Max - Lasted 6 hours 59 minutes 9 seconds.
Amazon Basics - Lasted 6 hours 33 minutes 52 seconds.
Energizer Ultimate Lithium - Lasted 5 hours 56 minutes 34 seconds.
Duracell - Lasted 5 hours 41 minutes 12 seconds.
Powermax - Lasted 5 hours 5 minutes 46 seconds.
AC Delco - Lasted 3 hours 58 minutes 21 seconds.
Harbor Freight Thunderbolt Magnum - Lasted 3 hours 35 minutes 46 seconds.
In summary, the Harbor Freight Thunderbolt Edge was the best-performing battery in this test, providing the longest runtime at a lower cost compared to others like the Energizer Ultimate Lithium, which was significantly more expensive but did not last as long.
the only thing i could say that could be different would be to try each battery in each fan because we all know manufacturing is never consistant
but that would also take over 60 hours so i understand the choice not to lol
overall, I would say the lithium battery is the best because it delivers a more consistent voltage throughout its lifetime. it sucks that they are so expensive though. this was an interesting video, I'd love to see something similar with rechargeable batteries, which is where I personally look for the best value proposition.
This is the kind of testing I like, maybe think about displaying your results in a more digestible way but keep up the good work 👍🏾
As someone who has used every battery imaginable to run my equalizer on my cameras and mics, and sound equipment I will tell you this, the lithium battery provides a more constant power and then it just dies while the other ones slowly drop voltage decling on a curve which messes me when recording. My sensing Heiser Mics don't work too well with any kind of alkaline battery as the voltage starts to drop they get weaker and make hissing noises whereas with the lithium batteries when they're done they just turn off. They maintain the 1.5 v much longer.
Very interesting results for sure. I am a diabetic and use an insulin pump and I've tried many different brands of batteries and I've found that most batteries last 1 to 2 weeks the only one that always last longer is the energizer lithium last a whole month but when it dies it dies. Didn't know that the different types of loads would make that much of a difference in how long they lasted between them all.
Why not go with rechargeables?
@@Ghakimxepends on the usage and how often you want to be troubled with replacing them. With a game cam, would you rather check your camera battery level once a month or once every 3 1/2 months in the winter?
Battery types are designed for specific uses. Lithiums are excellent in cold weather. Alkalines are not good at all in cold weather and rechargeables probably much worse.
Thank you for this video. I love decorating for Christmas (this is Mike's wife, not Mike) and decorate my home early because I also decorate for clients. I have many items including garland, wreaths, tons of flameless candles, etc. in both indoor and outdoor décor that require batteries. Because I start early (October), my batteries do not last the entire season. I was googling which batteries last the longest. This is important not only from a cost perspective but also because many of my items are on top of kitchen cabinets and that requires a step ladder to change them and it is just not convenient when they have to be changed at least once after they are displayed. In addition, it is good for me to know in order to make recommendations to my clients for their battery operated Christmas items. My husband always leans toward buying the Thunderbolt Magnum, but the last two years, I've convinced him to purchase Energizer because I thought they'd last longer. We will now purchase the Thunderbolt Edge batteries. Not sure if the test results you did with the fans will prove the same with the candles and other Christmas décor I have, but I'm going to try it. Thank you again for this video and all the work you put into it. I will continue to watch your videos and am so glad I found this one.
Love this because i have a 8 month old and everything basically takes batteries! I always buy Duracell , and they always die like within a week or so of him playing or his little sound machine at night.. I thought i was going crazy like how could the second best die so fast? Good thing a harbor freight is literally down the street and i will be buying a pack of the edge!!! Amazing content keep it up please!
Buy rechargeables and a good charger, you'll save yourself money in the long run.
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I didn't read all the comments and you probably don't have that much time either. I remember doing a similar test with my daughter maybe 15 years ago. You may not care about this now. For the motor load portion (induction) you used a fan, we used a jitterbug back massager, both are great for this test. We did one thing to help even the playing field more. I believe we had five machines and five brands of batteries. It took a lot of time, but we reran the test with each brand of battery in each machine and bought batteries from different stores. Surprise to see the difference in induction loads, it didn't take long to notice certain machines had a significantly build quality difference and was affecting the run times due to internal resistances. So after running all the batteries through all the machines, we averaged them to come up with a final runtime. Turned out the cheap ones at Kroger, which at the time were America Made, don't know if that's the car now, were the least expensive per minute of runtime. Look into it if you want, or not, just putting it out there for you information.
Surprised i didnt see Rayovac, maybe thats just locally available in my area. They are cheaper than name brand batteries so would be cool to see if the savings are worth it.
Those are known as the im broke batteries
We have a clock that only runs properly when we use rayovac, any other brands screw up the clock. 🤯
Rayovac are worldwide
I sincerely appreciate the time you spent on this. Saving me as much money as this video presumably will have me simping for you for the remainder of my pathetic existence.
From real world tests, I can say the Energizer Lithium is the best for electronics. Battery operated fans don’t have voltage or current regulation, so lithium batteries just dump everything into them, damaging the battery and resulting in shorter life, while regulated electronics can get a much longer life out of the lithium battery. Steady voltage output and steady current availability are also much better for digital equipment as opposed to analog.
Low power analog devices might get a better result out of the Thunderbolt Edge batteries like your fan test showed.
The fan didn't damage the battery. What happened was that the simple, unregulated motor is spinning significantly faster with the higher voltage (from start and sustained) throughout the whole test. A faster spinning motor means it draws more power.
Now if you like a slower fan that keeps going for an hour longer, a good alkaline might be a better choice in this case, but you're definitely getting better performance with the Lithium.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 If you wanna get really into it, there’s also the option of a resistor in series. This way, you set a max amperage no matter what’s on the other end. But since this was just a review of batteries… Eh. The fan was overdrawing and wore it out faster.
13:15 as soon as you said the harbour freight was gonna win it slowed down 😂
it depends on what youre using it for, lithium is best for high drain situations. which would be more powerful stuff. the fan was kinda wasting its potential is the best way to put it
Those lithium batteries are the only thing that worked in my digital camera (when we still used cameras instead of phones). Any other battery drained within 20 minutes.
@@lordmysticlaw1991 yeah i run vape stuff, so ive messed with many many many a lithium battery. theres also this guy that does battery tests.
@@cerberus1166 battery mooch
@@illustriousbrainqueef1823 yup surprised you know.
I've been buying the Thunderbolt EDGE batteries for a while now and they do seem really good. And at a very reasonable price.
I'll bet the lithium AA had a higher voltage throughout the test resulting in a higher fan rpm. ( Motors rpm is directly tied to voltage) so it probably died sooner due to running faster during the test
Yup, that'll be it exactly. In any fixed load test it would have smoked the other batteries, much like with the flashlight.
Yup, and you could see the hazard fraught titanium battery using a power curve trick to last so long, the voltage on that battery plainly dropped to a lower level really early in the test (going by the RPM), which is how it outlasted all the other batteries. If you used a test that measured actual air throughput, ie how many cubic grammes of air each battery shifted during its lifetime, the Duracell and Energiser would have smoked the HF Titanium.
And yes, the lithium energiser would have smoked all the others.
Yup, and you could see the hazard fraught titanium battery using a power curve trick to last so long, the voltage on that battery plainly dropped to a lower level really early in the test (going by the RPM), which is how it outlasted all the other batteries. If you used a test that measured actual air throughput, ie how many cubic grammes of air each battery shifted during its lifetime, the Duracell and Energiser would have smoked the HF Titanium.
And yes, the lithium energiser would have smoked all the others.
Yup, and you could see the hazard fraught titanium battery using a power curve trick to last so long, the voltage on that battery plainly dropped to a lower level really early in the test (going by the RPM), which is how it outlasted all the other batteries. If you used a test that measured actual air throughput, ie how many cubic grammes of air each battery shifted during its lifetime, the Duracell and Energiser would have smoked the HF Titanium.
And yes, the lithium energiser would have smoked all the others.
Also I know these ultimate lithiums quite well and they're ALWAYS 1.8v or more out of the packaging, so something is off there.. maybe a lemon but even then the rpm is obviously true if one could measure the total rotations instead of time would've been a more accurate test.
0:15 when he said '8 fans' i laugh and I really donno why 😂
Now leave fresh ones in the flashlights and check them every couple days to see which leaks and corrodes first
Duracel leaks
I love the thunderbolt edge batteries, they are even cheaper when you use the 20 percent off coupon the harbor freight always puts out...you just can't beat them for the price
The lithium battery seems to be more for power. Like a 6 cylinder engine vs an 8 cylinder.
@Monochromatik Thanks for the info Monochromatik. I really appreciate it.
@Monochromatik the Energizer Lithiums are designed for extreme temperatures. Alkalines are near useless in below 0 (Fahrenheit) temperatures. Lithium will work exactly the same as they would in room temperatures.
@Monochromatik No, the Lithium has more "endurance" (=energy) at the same power draw. But when you power a simple motor like this fan, the motor runs faster at higher voltages and draws more power. The Lithium start with a higher voltage (1.8 V compared to 1.6 V for the alkalines) and keeps a higher voltage until the end. From a certain point, the voltage would have been significantly higher and the alkaline fans were probably running at around half the speed of the Lithium for the second half of the test.
Unless you prefer a slower fan that runs a bit longer, the Lithium is the better battery.
Excellent testing. You did a fantastic job showing us the testing and the results. The only thing I would add is to repeat to tests 3 times to get a better statistical sample and the results may shift a bit.
You should publish the date codes of the batteries as well, if available. Batteries will self-discharge sitting on a shelf. I've had very bad luck with Amazon basic batteries for example. Maybe they have a better stock turnover and, therefore, are better charged when you receive them.
You should eliminate any fan/battery differences by rotating each fan with each battery after each fan had been broken in for a battery cycle. See if you get the same results. This was a great way to test the battery maximum output! Definitely revisit this
Interesting to know how different brand performs! Though the lithium batteries are intended for specific products so does not belong with these test objects.
Couldn't agree more.
How about the same tests at 32 degrees F.
Then we would agree the other batteries didn't belong in the test. 🤣
I think lithiums would wipe their tushies...... Including the cost.
Idk what in my life happened to bring me to watching a guy testing AA batteries but I’m here for it
you should do this experiment again multiple times to get an average. also see if you can constantly measure fan speed. and make a graph of voltage drain and fan speed.
This is more scientific than what Tyler normally does.
Total power output on these batteries depend upon load. Batteries are also design with load in mind. With High-Drain devices use Lithium, With Mid-Tier loads use a premium alkaline, With Low-Tier loads use "Heavy Duty" Carbon-Zinc batteries.
Thanks, Tyler, for doing all of this testing for us. If you ever do this again, it would be interesting to see what happens if you turn off the devices for comparable amounts of time during the test. I'm curious how much Peukert's Law would affect the results. Thanks for the video. Just sane... :^) Saint
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Apologies if I am repeating something else said. Too many comments to know for sure.
That said, the lithium ion battery, during the fan test, showed a higher energy discharge. The RPMs of the fan seemed reasonably faster than all of the others. That was also reflected during the flashlight test.
I really liked seeing, the photos of the light output meter.
I think the Energizer lithium made the fan spin faster maybe that's why it died so fast kinda like how Duracell optimum batteries work they can deliver longer battery OR increased performance like speed or torque ECT.
They definitely did. They start at a higher voltage of 1.8 V and also keep a high voltage for a long time until the end. A simple motor like this runs faster with higher voltage, draws more power and puts out more energy. So basically the Lithium Energizer produced significantly higher airflow throughout the whole test.
Playing the fan part in super slow mode really helps show which batteries are better
So I was hoping you'd do these tests to see if my purchase of the amazon basic batteries were worth it, I would say yes
I might start ordering them too.
I swear, Tyler gets the best sponsors
I wish you also tested some rechargeable batteries to see how they compare to non rechargeable.
Tyler: *pulls out a Pizzaz for the sponsor*
Also Tyler: *pizza cooker*
I have used Rayovac batteries all my life and I'm disappointed that you did not include these in this test... Please don't repeat manufacturers when doing tests like this.
The graph at 29:50 doesn't take the minutes into account, the "flat spot" of both Lithium and Edge are just an artifact of this. You need to select the minute row/column as well and tell it to use that "as a shared abscissa" when creating the graph! :) Cheers.
I mean the flat spot of course still exists but it's less than a fifth of the width of the previous jumps and this makes it no longer look like an anomaly.
Oh yay, project farm from wish uploaded
@19:58 the word you were looking for was moreerer!🤣
I can't afford the higher end AA batteries, let alone the Ecoflow power station 🙃
Lol when editing you busted into the video I laughed my ass off. ❤
I've always preferred energizer and I also felt like they were better than all the other brands
Interesting video. The Thunderbolt Magnum is the alkaline version (Orange) and not the cheap Chroloride Zinc version of the Thunderbold Magnum battery (Yellow). I'm not too surprised with the drop curve of all of these batteries having the similar path vs the Lithium staying higher initially. That's just the characteristic of Lithium vs Alkaline. Which battery is the best probably still depends on application. Lithium is said to be better for colder temperature and for longer shelf life. For lower drain application like a TV remote control, the difference among alkaline batteries might be very small so the best choice might be the cheapest alkaline battery for such use. For high drain application, I'd use rechargeable batteries.
The fan test is never going to be that perfect because each fan might have different resistance. Battery sample also can contribute to differences--some just might have sat on the store shelf longer than others. It seems Duracell has been having much more frequent incident of leakage these days so I'd avoid them (along with Kirkland brand at Costco which are made by the same factory) even if it performs well in these types of higher drain tests and lately been claiming to last 12 years with improved formula (if that's true and doesn't leak, it'll be better than Lithium). Hopefully, others will also make 12 year alkaline battery because the long life outweighs the cost of the battery if the device is in a very difficult to reach location requiring a large ladder to reach.
I like how this guy has two identical garages to do test and commercials in
That awkward walk off-camera 😂 15:13
Love how detailed this one was. Thank you Tyler! 👏👍
Batteries I have at home are E-Circuit Batteries. They either sell them at Walmart or the Dollar Store. They are built for low drain devices.
In my cellular trail cameras, I've tried all these batteries! By far and away, I'm talking there is no comparison, the Energizer Lithium (the highest priced) is the only battery that will hold up! I've had them last in some of my cameras for over a year!! Obviously there are variables to factor in when in use with a trail camera! But, generally speaking, I typically get a minimum of 5 to 6 months on my "higher traffic" cameras! So, in my view, it does matter what you're doing with the battery! In a pinch, I have used the Thunderbolt Edge in the same cellular trail cameras to find that they lasted approx. 3 weeks. The regular Energizer Max has lasted about the same 3 weeks in the cameras. But, for flashlights the regular Energizer Max, or the Thunderbolt Edge do fine. I usually pick up a pack or two of the Thunderbolt Edge batteries when I'm by a Harbor Freight because they are cheaper. But for my cellular trail cameras, which some I do use as security cameras, I will no longer waste money on anything but the Energizer Lithium!