I actually picked up the classic upper in Feb of 20. I believe mine to be canted as well as I have to. Throw my windage almost completely to the left to zero it. Drives me nuts. So I’d like to know how.
Ive been a part of 7 PSA put-togethers, and none had canted sight blocks. Or any other problems for that matter, they've all been serviceable and shot perfectly well straight out of the box.
Im curious to know how you done it as well, I just purchased the psa M4 upper and its fsp was slightly canted as well, I was able to straighten it up myself but curious as to the way you went with as well.
I have 20 years of time training and combat use of the M16A1 and the M16A2 both are fine rifle’s and did there job keeping me alive. I served in the US Army Infantry. I missed it so bad I built one just like it but w/out burst. This one zeroed with six round, and was great at 500 meter’s.
I have been shooting since I was 4 years old (back in early 50's). When I got drafted and was in basic the M-16's we were issued did not have the forward assist or chromed bore. I was elated to fire such an accurate rifle. All shots center mass on target at 100meters. I still love the classic platform, just wish I could afford one...sigh...Re: the 3 prong flash suppressor...we used that suppressor to open GI issue beer cans, before they had pull tabs. Which was great as long as Top didn't catch you doing it...heheh
I joined the USMC in 1978, we started with the A1. I was concerned that it would jam, when I needed it most. In 1986, we were issued the A2. Long story, short; I was very happy that it was my issued weapon until I retired in 2011.
Do you think there's any chance you could be recalled to active duty given the current situation across the Atlantic? Anyway, I hope you are well and I hope you have a good day. Thank you for your service Richard.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian. At the age of fifty something, it would be a dire situation for the government to recall us veterans. Although more than one will be excited to do it, but they better start passing out the steroids and pain killers!
I love my 20" AR's, most have the carry handle, because like you said out to 6 to 700yds I can hit targets. Shooting that far is impractical but it shows it can do it. My main use is 300yds and in, which is pretty easy with a stock 20" AR. Plus it is so soft shooting you can stay on target easier. I think that's why retro is coming back because people are finding that iron sights can get it done.
Can you find one anywhere I've been looking for awhile and I find flat top adjustable stock and 16" BBL for sale in the gun shops and I don't want them
@@jeffreyhershey5754 Atlantic Firearms has the Windham Weaponry 20" model in stock for $829 with the removeable hand guard. I own one of these and they are all mil spec with chrome lined barrel. These are probably one of the best AR's you can get if you just want a stock iron sighted 20" rifle.
@@msantifort right on cool thanks for the info I've never heard of them but all these different companies are are selling lowers and uppers and 80s and this type of rifle or that type and I just want one as close as I can get to what I had to qualify on which is the Left over Vietnam era rifles the M16a1
@traplordghost Thanks; I have wondered about loads optimized for the shorter barrels--it is simply common sense. I had never seen this specifically stated, though.
Never had an issue with an A2 while in the Army. I was not a fan of the M4 but that may be due to the fact I'm 6'2" and love the feel of the weapon as it just felt natural. I was always issued a colt for some reason and it was reliable.
Never heard of your channel brother, but your concise dialogue, editing style, transparency and overall knowledge of the nuance that comes with ballistics and firearms manufacturing is very professional. Your video format/style and camera work is crisp and clean as well. Very nice.
I built an A2 clone (with a removable carry handle because I just happen to have on laying around). I built it kind of on a whim. I carried an A2 in the Army so it was kind of nostalgic. After shooting it, man I fell in love. I don't think I "loved" this weapon before, even in the military. But after owning a bunch of other weapons, I've come to appreciate the A2. Since then I replaced the butt stock with an A1 butt stock. It made a huge difference (I'm 5'6'' so length of pull fits much better now). I recently did a competition (organized but just a group of friends). Someone made a comment when I stepped up to the line, "Hey the 70's called, they want their rifle back". He was pretty quiet after I shot. Irons at 75 yards I missed 1 of probably 50+ shots because I was rushing. Slow is smooth; smooth is fast.
Wait what You're alive!?! For the longest time I couldn't find your channel to save my life, I thought youtube axed it or you deleted it to live a life out at sea or something. So happy you're back!
I've had my 20" A2 DCM rifle for 20 years now. Shot Many many competitions with it. Absolutely love it. Having an A4 clone like that one with an ACOG would really bring back some DM memories.
Qualified expert with the same platform at USAF basic training (1977), silhouette target had a 5” group dead center mass. Range master asked where I learned to shoot. I replied, “coon hunting at night with a cheap Remington nylon 66 at night, flashlight taped to the fore end”.
Lol I just taped a cheap led flashlight to my mlok upper on my 12.5 ar pistol in .300blk I am new to ars I owned one before but I am a noob still but I can't afford to spend a lot of money on upgrading it ATM so I needed a light regardless so I taped it where I can comfortably hit the button on and off without changing my grip and honestly it works absolutely perfect can't complain other than it looks like shit but I'll put an olight or something else on it soon enough I guess
@@bandccoresohiothat’s how it happens haha. I’ve done similar thing. Nothing some electrical tape can fix until you can upgrade. Plus most military stuff is held together with tape and prayers lol
I have the same FN upper, but mine is on a PSA A2 lower, it’s been a great rifle so far, my FSB was straight luckily. I prefer the 20” rifle over any other. It’s the was it was designed, it’s the way it was meant to be. I love it! And I totally agree with all your reasons, I feel the same. It’s a great rifle.
I've had one of these for 6 years. Thousands of rounds through it. Lightweight and accurate, on problems whatsoever. Back when I assembled mine I had to buy the A2 stock and Colt Handle separately from Windham. The only upgrade I made was the trigger. Nice to see they are offering a complete rifle now.
Very cool. I have built a number of retro rifles in the past few years. The first one is a Colt 601 clone. No forward assist. No brass deflector. No fences on the lower receiver. Duckbill flash hider. “Slick side” baby! There is a 20” 1:7 twist barrel at the gunsmith right now getting a FSB drilled and pinned. It’s a “white” so it will get parkerized. After I get it back, it gets mounted on an A1 upper. All the furniture is original. Built an A2 and M4 recently. Both on PSA Government Property marked lowers. In 2022 I have plans for an XM16E1 build. I have a few parts for it already.
I have 2 PSA mid lengths coming My way. Should be here early this week. Can’t wait to try them out. As such, I’ve been getting many of these reviews popping up. I’m old school for sure and absolutely love simplicity not only in firearms, but most everything, including TH-cam channels. I’ve watched a lot over the last week and Yours is the only one I subscribed to. Simplicity, Honesty and no Rambo Hollywood theatrics for 5 or 10 minute intro before finally getting to the topic. Thank You!👍👍🇺🇸
My first build was an 80% lower with a Del-Ton 20" upper with the heavy barrel and A2 stock. I chose flip up rear sight and put a decent scope on it. Very accurate, one of my favorites.
I have an "A2 classic," it's a good shooter. Bought it years ago for the retro vibe before Brownells released their retro line. It's reliable, sufficiently accurate and perfectly serviceable. Not exactly my first pick for home defense or anything like that, but I suppose you could if you duct tape a flashlight to it. My "practical" rifles are still simple though, simple optic + light. No need for anything else. Don't need a dbal to call in airstrikes. :D
@Trap Lord Ghost are you all that dense? The man is saying NO need for lasers, IR, Grenade Launchers or NODS nor anything else, if only using it as a HD weapon. Damn!
I put a few of these kits together around COVID time a few years ago. I thought I'd be locked down and needed something to do, so I purchased 10.5", 18" and 20" premium kits. All of them are great and I completely echo the sentiment in this video. The most money is spent on the 18" build, with a nice trigger and decent scope (going for an SPR type of setup), but the plain jane 20" never disappoints!
You cannot go wrong with Palmetto State Armory. I have built numerous AR rifles for friends and family. They are great shooters!! I built this exact rifle using PSA parts, however mine has a Colt USGI chrome barrel. Very happy with my basic AR/M-16 style rifle.
For a guy like me that cut my teeth on an M-16A2 (USMC 1996-2000), this is right up my alley. I have an A2 clone built with a Del-Ton upper that I love, but if PSA brings one out I’ll definitely buy it.
I've had the rock river ar-15a4 for 3 years now. I absolutely love it. I'm even using just a basic old school m16a2 green sling. I don't need all that fancy stuff. I even have a bayonet on my kit.
I totally agree with every point you make. I bought an FN AR-15 rifle about a year after it came out. It had held zero from the first time I shot it. I've never had any problems with any ammo I've run through it. As you said, it's bomb proof. If God forbid I ever need to reach for a rifle, it's the one I'll pick up. I worked for me during a tour in Afghanistan and my first tour in Iraq, so yes, I believe in the gun.
My 2 18inch Premium uppers from PSA shoot absolutely lights out with good ammo. Your rifle is exceptionally accurate for the shooting conditions and no free floated barrel. FN barrels are just exceptional.
Love the 20" rifles they are great for CMP matches and varmint hunting. I've had a Colt Sporter Target Model since 1990. It shoots 3/4" 10 shot groups @ 100 yards.
I bought one of these recently. Had a good feeling about it and you've confirmed what I suspected all along. I did some mods like changing the handguards for a set of rails I got from a storage locker sale (Midwest Industries) and swapped the bolt out for a Toolcraft. Then I changed the pistol grip to a Fab Defense simply because that is what I normally use. The CHF barrel should hold up well; PSA sells the Toolcraft line and it works. Great vid. Wish I'd seen it sooner.
New subscriber here. Didn't think anyone could make an engaging review of an AR platform rifle. Even though it is not in my wheelhouse, you are making me want another one.
Expensive rifles are nice and all, but to me reliability and acceptable accuracy are more important. Rounds, reps, and training as well. Great review, love the classic M16 look.
Got a PSA build kit with a 16 inch SOCOM profile barrel. It holds less than 1 MOA with my handloads and doesn't malfunction. PSA is a good to go company.
Wanted to update. I tried a scope on mine and shot several groups right at or under 1 MOA. If you’re shootings 1.75” groups at 100 yards with irons, you’re doing pretty good. I’ve been practicing with mine for a while and using hand loads and some days that’s the best I can manage.
Simple is better. Have some sights you like, optical or iron, doesn’t matter. Have a light, but only if this is your home defense gun. Maybe a grip for comfort. However, I don’t think there is a such thing as “too much” until it interferes with the use of the rifle or you’re not using it. Lighten your rifle as much as possible, and make sure you can still use it.
I have the same upper but I got mine w/o the ch and BCG, so I threw in a BCM mod 4 ch and a HM defense BCG. Fricken love that rifle. For sights I have the PA 1-6 Aurora. With 62 grain I get around 1.5-2" groups and I have no issues hitting a silhouette at 400 yards so that makes me happy.
@Fascista Mexikaner Ah yes, the weight. I had to change my rifle set up twice due to the weight. First I had the carry handle irons, the A2 stock had a cleaning rod and lube in it, the grip had extra batteries, detents, springs, and a bolt rebuilt kit. It was pretty manageable and yes it was easy and fast to bring the rifle up/down, transition target to target. Then I added a quad rail, vertical grip, flashlight, 2 point sling, and the lpvo. This increased the weight quite a bit. I never paid attention to how heavy it was until I carried it for a half mile to my spot to hunt coyotes. Compared to another AR I have, it's significantly heavier. I took the cleaning rods out, removed the light I had, the vertical grip and the rail covers the quad rail came with. Put on slim rail covers. This cut about a half pound off or so. I'm considering going back to the plastic handguard and the carry handle irons so I can keep my kit in the stock and put the lpvo on another rifle I have. If I'm keeping the wml and the kit with the lpvo, then I'm putting a Magpul handguard on it. The quad rail is nice but it adds too much weight for what it is.
@Fascista Mexikaner Yeah, it really depends on if the set up you have will do what you want it to do but also not be a pain in the ass to carry or use for any length of time. There's give and take with every thing, but I'm happy with it's final configuration. It's at 9.78lbs now with my cleaning kit in the stock, the lpvo, a sling, quad rail, and a different wml. Sure it's still heavy but at least it's a durable set up, great heat mitigation, robust, multiple range capabilities, but also has a kit to self sustain no matter if I have my gear on or not should something happen in the field. I pretty much intended it to be my go to rifle if the world went to shit and society had no more structure. I'm sure I'll still change things as I see fit until I find that absolutely perfect combination for the traits I mentioned earlier, but saving weight and being more manageable.
If you’ve never shot a 20” fixed stock AR, I’d encourage you to try it. Any 5.56 AR has light recoil but these have no recoil. My buddy has one from Fulton Armory and it made me a believer.
Definitely I’ve got a A2 build and always like shooting it and plenty accurate with iron sights my carry handle is fixed but it’s a old colt upper I found.
I have the rifle featured in the video. Owned it for about 3 years and NEVER had an issue with it. Awesome rifle and I find I grab it more often than the 16" rifles I own.
Our Air Force T.I. demonstrated the full auto function, but we were strictly banned from trying it ourselves. Of course, we were only given 9 rounds at a time, so that would have been pointless anyway! @wyomarine
I love my 16” psa premium upper, paired with a sprinco blue spring and h2 buffer it’s my nicest shooting rifle. Psa still gets a bad rap but they’ve definitely upped their quality over the years, the worst I’ve gotten from psa is a loose gas block. My buddy did get an upper with an over clocked barrel and it caused feeding issues,he sent it back and got it back it around two weeks.
Love the video man, always great content coming out of your channel. Appreciate the time you take to dial in the lighting and focus to make the all around viewing experience cinematic👌🏽🤙🏽
The KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) still applies. Learned to shoot with a M16A1 in the USMC almost 45 years ago. Outshot local Sheriff SWAT deputies with my 20" A2 rifle, and they had an ACOGs on their M4s, a few years ago at a training class. Targets were 100 yards out, had 60 seconds for 10 rounds.
Great stuff. I swear it sounds like you were writing from what I've said for years. I agree with 100% of what you're saying - the only exception is that I prefer a collapsible/adjustable stock. Very objective report and I appreciate it.
Very interesting video. I happened upon this by accident and clicked because I bought a Palmetto State kit a year and a half ago. And it turns out this was pretty much the kit I got. My lower doesn't have the burst setting and my upper included the removable grab handle but I have the same 20" FN barrel and the clamshell handguard. The funny part was that when you were listing the 5 things you learned from this rifle, I was sitting here saying each sentence BEFORE you said them! If I were seeking validation to my philosophy on the AR platform, I found it here.
Mine just arrived. All this canted front sight block talk had me worried.....but I'm very happy to say it was straight as an arrow. Also the FN barrel isn't that flat yellowish laser type marking like I've seen in alot of pics. It's etched/rolled into the metal of the barrel now which I definitely like. First PSA rifle and I'm pleased.
Just finished my Aero Precision 20" M16A4 (classic handguards, not MWS KAC M5 RAS) - just like they used to issue us REMFs in the 90s. It's a real time machine :-)
The front sight being off is a deal breaker for me. It would drive me nuts based on my personality issues. I would be interested in hearing how you fixed it.
100% agree. PSA needs to fix this. If thats within "spec", im sorry you grunts suffered, but im an Amerucan citizen and you damn well know i expect to be able to get a better rifle..
From a different source the barrel but here's how I fixed mine I loosen the Delta ring and all that crap turn the barrel to take up the slack on the locating pin fortunately I had slack in the correct direction and I bought it out that direction that I tightened up the nut again and it put it right in the middle like it's supposed to be
I have a Colt Match Heavy Barrel from the mid 90's! Changed the trip to a Houge one! Taught on an A2 in the Corps! Flipping Accurate! Don't feel comfortable shooting another set up! I've shot many variations from friends but Go Back to the Basics as I was taught
Everyone who is into AR’s should have at least one of these older designs. They are a pleasure to shoot and still quite capable of TCB in many situations.
Nice rifle. It's simple and not overdone. Honestly changing a grip out can be a cheap and good upgrade. The only other thing options are a sling, light, and maybe an optic if you even want to run one. Truly, keeping thing simple and keeping them streamlined and lightweight is where it's at.
I entered the USMC in 1984 and we were issued banged up M16A1's. The accuracy on things were subpar. In 1986 I was issued the M16A2 and my rifle score jumped significantly! I now own (2) Colt Hbar's (M16A2 civilian versions basically). These rifles are timeless classics and I wont part with them. I will add this PSA A4 to my collection!
You are spot on my friend. My M16A4 build is the same as yours. No m5 handguard, vertical grip or ACOG. I do however have the Ontario Knife Company USMC issue bayonet, issue sling and tan follower issue magazines. It's a nice shooting choice. Thanks.
Good review. I came to tbe same conclusions about simplicity a while ago. Then again, we were still using the M16A1 and 1911 back when I served in the USMC. I actualy have A1 and A2 builds with fixed carry handle sights in my gun safe. Also agree with paying for the premium kit and getting a higher quality barrel. Can't really go wrong with a 20" build.
I ended up doing the carry handle with an ACOG on top. Have a long neck so it works out pretty nice for me to have built in irons as backups. It is a very nice shooter and I actually found it to very surprisingly accurate. Was able to sling lead and hit 15 inch plates at 300yds was fine with me. Very accurate and great rifle
@@DB-sd3cw You realize the ACOG base is removeable specifically for mounting it on a carry handle right? The only way its ridiculous is if you were to leave the base on then mount it on a rail that is mounted on the carry handle. That would make the height over bore absurdly high. Mounting directly to the carry handle with the thumbscrew isnt that bad.
Great vid brother! I just picked up one of these kits, young run and gunners want all the bells and whistles but this rifle works just fine! For the cost of an acog i can buy another one of these for my son! Such a great tool to have. God bless the usa and stay sharp brother
I got a 20" Del Ton upper kit exactly like the PSA you reviewed. I put a Leupold 4X tactical scope on it that is fog, water, and shock resistant. I put the scope mount on a 1" picatinny riser, in order to raise it up above the front iron site. My eye sight is not good enough to hit much of anything past 100-Yards with iron sights, which is why I put a Scope on my 20" rifle. I have the scope sighted in at 100-Yards. I can take that same 100-Yard setting out to 400-Yards straight and flat with my 20", and put all rounds inside the 3" target circle. I put a basic compensator on my rifle too, but I did not notice hardly any difference with it, and I think that is a waist of time with a somewhat heavy 20" rifle that does not have a whole lot of kick to begin with.
Much respect for the honest take here. Simplicity of function for this American Rifle-15. Or otherwise could be known as AMSI. As Mr. Stoner Intended. I sub now👌
I picked one up on a sweet Black Friday deal a few years ago. I have swapped out the upper receiver with a Rock River A2 fixed carry handle so it’s a legit A2 now. Love the classic look and it shoots great.
My only upgrades on all my rifles include a Bravo Co Enhanced LPKs and MPI & HP bolts. Everything else stays the same. I use my extra play cash on buying extra detents, springs and firing pins along with ammo for the proverbial “Rainy Day”. Thanks for the awesome video! 👍🏻
I need a classic 20". I have a couple 16" with Aero Carry Handles. Im finding that I keep grabbing one each range trip or training class. Love the old irons.
You totally called it there at the end. When I first put my rifle together I was so jazzed never held an AR-15 in my life. I absolutely think it's the greatest. I bought a scope for and I bought a better scope. Then I bought canted ironsights. Then I bought a laser period and nickel boron trigger group. A different grip and a bipod and hey Jerry Miculek muzzle brake. I like the muzzle brake it makes a difference worth the money. Blazer I couldn't see the stupid thing on a bright day. So basically I have taken all of that other stuff off. But I do have an awful lot of extra parts for my next build
I had EXACTLY the same issue with the FSB and zeroing the rifle. I sent the upper back to PSA and they claimed they adjusted it, but the only way I can get the rifle to zero is if the windage adjustment on the rear sight is all the way over. It zeros but it’s not optimal.
For a light mount battle steel and Botach sells them, a small piece of rail that mounts on the bayonet lug it's secured with an Allen screw it's just a short piece of rail a couple inches long.
Saw an interview with Kalashnikov back in the day and he said a philosophy he worked under was, "all that is complex is useless." Basically, keep it simple. So I've always kept to that same philosophy too. I won't put too much on a gun. Flashlight and red dot that's about it. I'm not in the military, I'm not running night ops. What do I need, that's what goes on and nothing more.
How to fix your canted FSB is below
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Hit that like button if you really want to know
I actually picked up the classic upper in Feb of 20. I believe mine to be canted as well as I have to. Throw my windage almost completely to the left to zero it. Drives me nuts. So I’d like to know how.
@@CountryMash YES! I want to know how to correct a canted sight.
Ive been a part of 7 PSA put-togethers, and none had canted sight blocks.
Or any other problems for that matter, they've all been serviceable and shot perfectly well straight out of the box.
Im curious to know how you done it as well, I just purchased the psa M4 upper and its fsp was slightly canted as well, I was able to straighten it up myself but curious as to the way you went with as well.
I have 20 years of time training and combat use of the M16A1 and the M16A2 both are fine rifle’s and did there job keeping me alive. I served in the US Army Infantry. I missed it so bad I built one just like it but w/out burst. This one zeroed with six round, and was great at 500 meter’s.
I have been shooting since I was 4 years old (back in early 50's). When I got drafted and was in basic the M-16's we were issued did not have the forward assist or chromed bore. I was elated to fire such an accurate rifle. All shots center mass on target at 100meters. I still love the classic platform, just wish I could afford one...sigh...Re: the 3 prong flash suppressor...we used that suppressor to open GI issue beer cans, before they had pull tabs. Which was great as long as Top didn't catch you doing it...heheh
You guys are badass
I joined the USMC in 1978, we started with the A1. I was concerned that it would jam, when I needed it most. In 1986, we were issued the A2. Long story, short; I was very happy that it was my issued weapon until I retired in 2011.
Do you think there's any chance you could be recalled to active duty given the current situation across the Atlantic?
Anyway, I hope you are well and I hope you have a good day.
Thank you for your service Richard.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian Don't think so, but expect false flag events / scare event. Things are not as they seem.
@@elphi4321 Afterall, war is a racket, isn't it?
@@FinalLugiaGuardian. At the age of fifty something, it would be a dire situation for the government to recall us veterans. Although more than one will be excited to do it, but they better start passing out the steroids and pain killers!
@@tatumergo3931 It would probably be mostly pilots and logistics guys that got recalled if older veterans got recalled at all.
I love my 20" AR's, most have the carry handle, because like you said out to 6 to 700yds I can hit targets. Shooting that far is impractical but it shows it can do it. My main use is 300yds and in, which is pretty easy with a stock 20" AR. Plus it is so soft shooting you can stay on target easier. I think that's why retro is coming back because people are finding that iron sights can get it done.
Can you find one anywhere I've been looking for awhile and I find flat top adjustable stock and 16" BBL for sale in the gun shops and I don't want them
@@jeffreyhershey5754 Atlantic Firearms has the Windham Weaponry 20" model in stock for $829 with the removeable hand guard. I own one of these and they are all mil spec with chrome lined barrel. These are probably one of the best AR's you can get if you just want a stock iron sighted 20" rifle.
@@msantifort right on cool thanks for the info I've never heard of them but all these different companies are are selling lowers and uppers and 80s and this type of rifle or that type and I just want one as close as I can get to what I had to qualify on which is the Left over Vietnam era rifles the M16a1
Yep love my A2ish clone, Bushmaster National Match in an A2 configuration. So soft and easy to stay on target.
@traplordghost The reason guntubers are posting them is because of their growing popularity. And people run irons on them, till they can afford glass
The 5.56x45 was designed for a 20" barrel, after all. Shorter barrels only handicap it.
@traplordghost Thanks; I have wondered about loads optimized for the shorter barrels--it is simply common sense. I had never seen this specifically stated, though.
Specifically the 55 grain was
Bingo
For 55grain yes. Otherwise 77g Mk262 proved the MK12 18in is the sweet spot
@@jackbower8671 Good point. I believe the M855A1 was also developed with 14.5 and shorter barrels in mind.
Never had an issue with an A2 while in the Army. I was not a fan of the M4 but that may be due to the fact I'm 6'2" and love the feel of the weapon as it just felt natural. I was always issued a colt for some reason and it was reliable.
Never heard of your channel brother, but your concise dialogue, editing style, transparency and overall knowledge of the nuance that comes with ballistics and firearms manufacturing is very professional. Your video format/style and camera work is crisp and clean as well. Very nice.
I built an A2 clone (with a removable carry handle because I just happen to have on laying around). I built it kind of on a whim. I carried an A2 in the Army so it was kind of nostalgic. After shooting it, man I fell in love. I don't think I "loved" this weapon before, even in the military. But after owning a bunch of other weapons, I've come to appreciate the A2. Since then I replaced the butt stock with an A1 butt stock. It made a huge difference (I'm 5'6'' so length of pull fits much better now). I recently did a competition (organized but just a group of friends). Someone made a comment when I stepped up to the line, "Hey the 70's called, they want their rifle back". He was pretty quiet after I shot. Irons at 75 yards I missed 1 of probably 50+ shots because I was rushing.
Slow is smooth; smooth is fast.
That's all the wanna bees G.I.JOE'S TALKING THEIR SHIT. Good for you
It's more of an A4 clone if it has a flat top upper. Early A4 if it has A2 handguards.
Not really an A2 clone, more of a A4 clone.
Wait what You're alive!?! For the longest time I couldn't find your channel to save my life, I thought youtube axed it or you deleted it to live a life out at sea or something. So happy you're back!
I've had my 20" A2 DCM rifle for 20 years now. Shot Many many competitions with it. Absolutely love it.
Having an A4 clone like that one with an ACOG would really bring back some DM memories.
It's refreshing to hear someone be honest instead of fanboying over what looks tacticool. thanks brother.
Qualified expert with the same platform at USAF basic training (1977), silhouette target had a 5” group dead center mass. Range master asked where I learned to shoot. I replied, “coon hunting at night with a cheap Remington nylon 66 at night, flashlight taped to the fore end”.
Do you guys ever get tired of passing these BS country fried stories off as truth?
M16 m16a1 in 1977 not a2
Lol I just taped a cheap led flashlight to my mlok upper on my 12.5 ar pistol in .300blk I am new to ars I owned one before but I am a noob still but I can't afford to spend a lot of money on upgrading it ATM so I needed a light regardless so I taped it where I can comfortably hit the button on and off without changing my grip and honestly it works absolutely perfect can't complain other than it looks like shit but I'll put an olight or something else on it soon enough I guess
@@bandccoresohiowhat light did you end up getting for it
@@bandccoresohiothat’s how it happens haha. I’ve done similar thing. Nothing some electrical tape can fix until you can upgrade. Plus most military stuff is held together with tape and prayers lol
HONESTY is why I always come back!!! Thanks bro! Don't ever change!
So glad to see a vid from you again brother! Hope all is well & keep 'em coming!
I'm a huge fan of the psa freedom rifle builds. Built a 16" and love it. Accurate out of the box and reliable.
Really glad there others who are appreciating and welcoming that simple and reliable can get the job done.
I have the same FN upper, but mine is on a PSA A2 lower, it’s been a great rifle so far, my FSB was straight luckily. I prefer the 20” rifle over any other. It’s the was it was designed, it’s the way it was meant to be. I love it! And I totally agree with all your reasons, I feel the same. It’s a great rifle.
I've had one of these for 6 years. Thousands of rounds through it. Lightweight and accurate, on problems whatsoever. Back when I assembled mine I had to buy the A2 stock and Colt Handle separately from Windham. The only upgrade I made was the trigger. Nice to see they are offering a complete rifle now.
Mash brings the true value approach to these
Good, clear review. You cover a lot of general M16 design considerations and the frippery people add to their firearms.
Very cool. I have built a number of retro rifles in the past few years. The first one is a Colt 601 clone. No forward assist. No brass deflector. No fences on the lower receiver. Duckbill flash hider. “Slick side” baby!
There is a 20” 1:7 twist barrel at the gunsmith right now getting a FSB drilled and pinned. It’s a “white” so it will get parkerized. After I get it back, it gets mounted on an A1 upper. All the furniture is original.
Built an A2 and M4 recently. Both on PSA Government Property marked lowers.
In 2022 I have plans for an XM16E1 build. I have a few parts for it already.
I have 2 PSA mid lengths coming My way. Should be here early this week. Can’t wait to try them out. As such, I’ve been getting many of these reviews popping up. I’m old school for sure and absolutely love simplicity not only in firearms, but most everything, including TH-cam channels. I’ve watched a lot over the last week and Yours is the only one I subscribed to. Simplicity, Honesty and no Rambo Hollywood theatrics for 5 or 10 minute intro before finally getting to the topic. Thank You!👍👍🇺🇸
My first build was an 80% lower with a Del-Ton 20" upper with the heavy barrel and A2 stock. I chose flip up rear sight and put a decent scope on it. Very accurate, one of my favorites.
I have an "A2 classic," it's a good shooter. Bought it years ago for the retro vibe before Brownells released their retro line. It's reliable, sufficiently accurate and perfectly serviceable. Not exactly my first pick for home defense or anything like that, but I suppose you could if you duct tape a flashlight to it. My "practical" rifles are still simple though, simple optic + light. No need for anything else. Don't need a dbal to call in airstrikes. :D
@Trap Lord Ghost his point is still fair, you’re never going to need one, until you actually need one but in that scenario you don’t stand a chance
@Trap Lord Ghost are you all that dense? The man is saying NO need for lasers, IR, Grenade Launchers or NODS nor anything else, if only using it as a HD weapon. Damn!
I put a few of these kits together around COVID time a few years ago. I thought I'd be locked down and needed something to do, so I purchased 10.5", 18" and 20" premium kits. All of them are great and I completely echo the sentiment in this video. The most money is spent on the 18" build, with a nice trigger and decent scope (going for an SPR type of setup), but the plain jane 20" never disappoints!
You cannot go wrong with Palmetto State Armory. I have built numerous AR rifles for friends and family. They are great shooters!! I built this exact rifle using PSA parts, however mine has a Colt USGI chrome barrel. Very happy with my basic AR/M-16 style rifle.
Did you put a barrel in it with m16 feed ramps? Or did it have m4 feed ramps?
For a guy like me that cut my teeth on an M-16A2 (USMC 1996-2000), this is right up my alley. I have an A2 clone built with a Del-Ton upper that I love, but if PSA brings one out I’ll definitely buy it.
I've had the rock river ar-15a4 for 3 years now. I absolutely love it. I'm even using just a basic old school m16a2 green sling. I don't need all that fancy stuff. I even have a bayonet on my kit.
I totally agree with every point you make. I bought an FN AR-15 rifle about a year after it came out. It had held zero from the first time I shot it. I've never had any problems with any ammo I've run through it. As you said, it's bomb proof. If God forbid I ever need to reach for a rifle, it's the one I'll pick up. I worked for me during a tour in Afghanistan and my first tour in Iraq, so yes, I believe in the gun.
My 2 18inch Premium uppers from PSA shoot absolutely lights out with good ammo. Your rifle is exceptionally accurate for the shooting conditions and no free floated barrel. FN barrels are just exceptional.
Love the 20" rifles they are great for CMP matches and varmint hunting. I've had a Colt Sporter Target Model since 1990. It shoots 3/4" 10 shot groups @ 100 yards.
I bought one of these recently. Had a good feeling about it and you've confirmed what I suspected all along. I did some mods like changing the handguards for a set of rails I got from a storage locker sale (Midwest Industries) and swapped the bolt out for a Toolcraft. Then I changed the pistol grip to a Fab Defense simply because that is what I normally use. The CHF barrel should hold up well; PSA sells the Toolcraft line and it works. Great vid. Wish I'd seen it sooner.
New subscriber here. Didn't think anyone could make an engaging review of an AR platform rifle. Even though it is not in my wheelhouse, you are making me want another one.
For free float, all I want is a flashlight, red dot, grip stop and rail covers for when the rail gets hot
Built one from psa two yrs ago and it’s my sons go to rifle. It’s simple , tough and accurate enough to compete in DCM matches with ease.
Expensive rifles are nice and all, but to me reliability and acceptable accuracy are more important. Rounds, reps, and training as well.
Great review, love the classic M16 look.
I love the classic A2, it's rugged and accurate. I have one and love it in the classic configuration.
Got a PSA build kit with a 16 inch SOCOM profile barrel. It holds less than 1 MOA with my handloads and doesn't malfunction. PSA is a good to go company.
Dude you just gained a subscriber from this video with me. I really enjoyed the level headed logic that a lot of people don’t think about.
Wanted to update. I tried a scope on mine and shot several groups right at or under 1 MOA. If you’re shootings 1.75” groups at 100 yards with irons, you’re doing pretty good. I’ve been practicing with mine for a while and using hand loads and some days that’s the best I can manage.
Simple is better. Have some sights you like, optical or iron, doesn’t matter. Have a light, but only if this is your home defense gun. Maybe a grip for comfort.
However, I don’t think there is a such thing as “too much” until it interferes with the use of the rifle or you’re not using it. Lighten your rifle as much as possible, and make sure you can still use it.
I have the same upper but I got mine w/o the ch and BCG, so I threw in a BCM mod 4 ch and a HM defense BCG. Fricken love that rifle. For sights I have the PA 1-6 Aurora. With 62 grain I get around 1.5-2" groups and I have no issues hitting a silhouette at 400 yards so that makes me happy.
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Ah yes, the weight. I had to change my rifle set up twice due to the weight. First I had the carry handle irons, the A2 stock had a cleaning rod and lube in it, the grip had extra batteries, detents, springs, and a bolt rebuilt kit. It was pretty manageable and yes it was easy and fast to bring the rifle up/down, transition target to target. Then I added a quad rail, vertical grip, flashlight, 2 point sling, and the lpvo. This increased the weight quite a bit. I never paid attention to how heavy it was until I carried it for a half mile to my spot to hunt coyotes. Compared to another AR I have, it's significantly heavier. I took the cleaning rods out, removed the light I had, the vertical grip and the rail covers the quad rail came with. Put on slim rail covers. This cut about a half pound off or so. I'm considering going back to the plastic handguard and the carry handle irons so I can keep my kit in the stock and put the lpvo on another rifle I have. If I'm keeping the wml and the kit with the lpvo, then I'm putting a Magpul handguard on it. The quad rail is nice but it adds too much weight for what it is.
@Fascista Mexikaner
Yeah, it really depends on if the set up you have will do what you want it to do but also not be a pain in the ass to carry or use for any length of time. There's give and take with every thing, but I'm happy with it's final configuration. It's at 9.78lbs now with my cleaning kit in the stock, the lpvo, a sling, quad rail, and a different wml. Sure it's still heavy but at least it's a durable set up, great heat mitigation, robust, multiple range capabilities, but also has a kit to self sustain no matter if I have my gear on or not should something happen in the field. I pretty much intended it to be my go to rifle if the world went to shit and society had no more structure. I'm sure I'll still change things as I see fit until I find that absolutely perfect combination for the traits I mentioned earlier, but saving weight and being more manageable.
Absolutely yes show how you straightened the front sight !! Thanks.
If you’ve never shot a 20” fixed stock AR, I’d encourage you to try it. Any 5.56 AR has light recoil but these have no recoil. My buddy has one from Fulton Armory and it made me a believer.
Definitely I’ve got a A2 build and always like shooting it and plenty accurate with iron sights my carry handle is fixed but it’s a old colt upper I found.
I have 3, don't tell my wife.🪖😉
I have the rifle featured in the video. Owned it for about 3 years and NEVER had an issue with it. Awesome rifle and I find I grab it more often than the 16" rifles I own.
In basic training drill instructor had a private put a m16 a2 on his nuts and pull the trigger on the range to show us there was basically no recoil
Our Air Force T.I. demonstrated the full auto function, but we were strictly banned from trying it ourselves. Of course, we were only given 9 rounds at a time, so that would have been pointless anyway!
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I love my 16” psa premium upper, paired with a sprinco blue spring and h2 buffer it’s my nicest shooting rifle. Psa still gets a bad rap but they’ve definitely upped their quality over the years, the worst I’ve gotten from psa is a loose gas block. My buddy did get an upper with an over clocked barrel and it caused feeding issues,he sent it back and got it back it around two weeks.
Let us know how you straightened the FSB.
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Love the video man, always great content coming out of your channel. Appreciate the time you take to dial in the lighting and focus to make the all around viewing experience cinematic👌🏽🤙🏽
I was sad the day we changed out our m16 for the m4. Loved the 20" barrel.
The KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) still applies. Learned to shoot with a M16A1 in the USMC almost 45 years ago. Outshot local Sheriff SWAT deputies with my 20" A2 rifle, and they had an ACOGs on their M4s, a few years ago at a training class. Targets were 100 yards out, had 60 seconds for 10 rounds.
One of the best videos I’ve seen on TH-cam in years. Honestly.
Stay frosty
1st. And love 20” rifles….
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20” 5.56 gun more like
Interested in how you fixed the front sight post.
Great to see you back making videos. I hope everything is going well.
YES! Please make a video how you fixed the front sight cant!
Great stuff. I swear it sounds like you were writing from what I've said for years. I agree with 100% of what you're saying - the only exception is that I prefer a collapsible/adjustable stock. Very objective report and I appreciate it.
Very interesting video. I happened upon this by accident and clicked because I bought a Palmetto State kit a year and a half ago. And it turns out this was pretty much the kit I got. My lower doesn't have the burst setting and my upper included the removable grab handle but I have the same 20" FN barrel and the clamshell handguard. The funny part was that when you were listing the 5 things you learned from this rifle, I was sitting here saying each sentence BEFORE you said them! If I were seeking validation to my philosophy on the AR platform, I found it here.
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Very interesting accuracy. My Colt AR15-A2 has the opposite results. 1” MOA with AE 62gr, 2.5” MOA with AE 55gr. Thanks for the honest review!
I have this same kit..put it on a PSA M16A2 lower, everyone who shots it loves it
Mine just arrived. All this canted front sight block talk had me worried.....but I'm very happy to say it was straight as an arrow. Also the FN barrel isn't that flat yellowish laser type marking like I've seen in alot of pics. It's etched/rolled into the metal of the barrel now which I definitely like. First PSA rifle and I'm pleased.
Best dang video I’ve seen in a long time
Just finished my Aero Precision 20" M16A4 (classic handguards, not MWS KAC M5 RAS) - just like they used to issue us REMFs in the 90s. It's a real time machine :-)
The front sight being off is a deal breaker for me. It would drive me nuts based on my personality issues. I would be interested in hearing how you fixed it.
He said it was still in spec but he had to dial his windage all the way to acquire zero so no fix needed.
I could never not fix a rifle if it needed more than 5-6 clicks off center to zero. A cant would bug me. But I’m ocd about that stuff. Wish I wasn’t.
100% agree. PSA needs to fix this. If thats within "spec", im sorry you grunts suffered, but im an Amerucan citizen and you damn well know i expect to be able to get a better rifle..
Hundreds of thousands of people have died at the hands of canted front sight AKs. As long as it’s able to be zero’d it’s perfectly serviceable.
From a different source the barrel but here's how I fixed mine I loosen the Delta ring and all that crap turn the barrel to take up the slack on the locating pin fortunately I had slack in the correct direction and I bought it out that direction that I tightened up the nut again and it put it right in the middle like it's supposed to be
Great video. Appreciate your honest review. I really like your comments. It seems so many are just buying stuff to buy stuff. Keep it simple works.
I have a Colt Match Heavy Barrel from the mid 90's! Changed the trip to a Houge one! Taught on an A2 in the Corps! Flipping Accurate! Don't feel comfortable shooting another set up! I've shot many variations from friends but Go Back to the Basics as I was taught
Everyone who is into AR’s should have at least one of these older designs. They are a pleasure to shoot and still quite capable of TCB in many situations.
No grab handle though, get out the 80s and save face at the range with a 3x red dot
@@darylarmentrout252 Grab handle/irons never fail you. A red dot is just another thing that can fail.
@rkhale02 Missing the target is a fail so is carrying a rifle like a suitcase. Get out of the stone age!
I would really like to see how you fixed your front sight.That would be really interesting in my opinion.
Nice rifle. It's simple and not overdone. Honestly changing a grip out can be a cheap and good upgrade. The only other thing options are a sling, light, and maybe an optic if you even want to run one. Truly, keeping thing simple and keeping them streamlined and lightweight is where it's at.
I entered the USMC in 1984 and we were issued banged up M16A1's. The accuracy on things were subpar. In 1986 I was issued the M16A2 and my rifle score jumped significantly! I now own (2) Colt Hbar's (M16A2 civilian versions basically). These rifles are timeless classics and I wont part with them. I will add this PSA A4 to my collection!
You are spot on my friend. My M16A4 build is the same as yours. No m5 handguard, vertical grip or ACOG. I do however have the Ontario Knife Company USMC issue bayonet, issue sling and tan follower issue magazines. It's a nice shooting choice. Thanks.
Good review. I came to tbe same conclusions about simplicity a while ago. Then again, we were still using the M16A1 and 1911 back when I served in the USMC. I actualy have A1 and A2 builds with fixed carry handle sights in my gun safe. Also agree with paying for the premium kit and getting a higher quality barrel. Can't really go wrong with a 20" build.
I ended up doing the carry handle with an ACOG on top. Have a long neck so it works out pretty nice for me to have built in irons as backups. It is a very nice shooter and I actually found it to very surprisingly accurate. Was able to sling lead and hit 15 inch plates at 300yds was fine with me. Very accurate and great rifle
Wow that thing must look ridiculous
@@DB-sd3cw You realize the ACOG base is removeable specifically for mounting it on a carry handle right? The only way its ridiculous is if you were to leave the base on then mount it on a rail that is mounted on the carry handle. That would make the height over bore absurdly high. Mounting directly to the carry handle with the thumbscrew isnt that bad.
Great video, guilty as charged. Back to the basics!!
Bro glad to see you back with us again and going strong!!!!!!
bought this kit with an aero carry handle and 17D&M lower. though I did swap to an FN BCG. so far so good. no issues.
good ol A2, every time I pick one up it's like coming home!
Glad you're making videos again!
So glad your back!
I literally bought this the other day and I can’t wait to get it from my FFL!
Great vid brother! I just picked up one of these kits, young run and gunners want all the bells and whistles but this rifle works just fine! For the cost of an acog i can buy another one of these for my son! Such a great tool to have. God bless the usa and stay sharp brother
Your AR rifle is amazing to me. I recently put up a video of me removing my new carbine’s muzzle device for an A2 style. I always liked the A2 device.
Very good video. After the videos of AR-15 with all the stuff they put on, this was very welcome. 🤗
I got a 20" Del Ton upper kit exactly like the PSA you reviewed. I put a Leupold 4X tactical scope on it that is fog, water, and shock resistant. I put the scope mount on a 1" picatinny riser, in order to raise it up above the front iron site. My eye sight is not good enough to hit much of anything past 100-Yards with iron sights, which is why I put a Scope on my 20" rifle.
I have the scope sighted in at 100-Yards. I can take that same 100-Yard setting out to 400-Yards straight and flat with my 20", and put all rounds inside the 3" target circle. I put a basic compensator on my rifle too, but I did not notice hardly any difference with it, and I think that is a waist of time with a somewhat heavy 20" rifle that does not have a whole lot of kick to begin with.
Oh, hell yes! PLEASE tell us how you straightened out the front sight.
Much respect for the honest take here. Simplicity of function for this American Rifle-15. Or otherwise could be known as AMSI. As Mr. Stoner Intended.
I sub now👌
I picked one up on a sweet Black Friday deal a few years ago. I have swapped out the upper receiver with a Rock River A2 fixed carry handle so it’s a legit A2 now. Love the classic look and it shoots great.
The rock river a2 upper is great. My favorite gun to shoot. Definitely worth the month long wait.
@@Chewee394 I didn’t know you can still order them.
My only upgrades on all my rifles include a Bravo Co Enhanced LPKs and MPI & HP bolts. Everything else stays the same. I use my extra play cash on buying extra detents, springs and firing pins along with ammo for the proverbial “Rainy Day”. Thanks for the awesome video! 👍🏻
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Great review, I love the clean look of these retro rifles. I agree also with the longer barrell and iron sights!
I need a classic 20". I have a couple 16" with Aero Carry Handles. Im finding that I keep grabbing one each range trip or training class. Love the old irons.
Nice piece. Throw that ACOG on top on the handle! Thanks for the video.
Simple and reliable beats all - would buy one in a heartbeat.
I have had this exact rifle for going on 3 years. It has even fed rusty Tula ammo. Awesome rifles and worth every penny.
Great review very informative and honest.
You totally called it there at the end. When I first put my rifle together I was so jazzed never held an AR-15 in my life. I absolutely think it's the greatest. I bought a scope for and I bought a better scope. Then I bought canted ironsights. Then I bought a laser period and nickel boron trigger group. A different grip and a bipod and hey Jerry Miculek muzzle brake. I like the muzzle brake it makes a difference worth the money. Blazer I couldn't see the stupid thing on a bright day. So basically I have taken all of that other stuff off. But I do have an awful lot of extra parts for my next build
I had EXACTLY the same issue with the FSB and zeroing the rifle. I sent the upper back to PSA and they claimed they adjusted it, but the only way I can get the rifle to zero is if the windage adjustment on the rear sight is all the way over. It zeros but it’s not optimal.
For a light mount battle steel and Botach sells them, a small piece of rail that mounts on the bayonet lug it's secured with an Allen screw it's just a short piece of rail a couple inches long.
They also have a short piece of rail that clamps onto your front sight and it also has a ring for your sling to mount on.
As a eighties baby, I have a thing for these bad bois!
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I have a Cot A4, liking it more and more every time I shoot it.
Saw an interview with Kalashnikov back in the day and he said a philosophy he worked under was, "all that is complex is useless." Basically, keep it simple. So I've always kept to that same philosophy too. I won't put too much on a gun. Flashlight and red dot that's about it. I'm not in the military, I'm not running night ops. What do I need, that's what goes on and nothing more.
I always like your straight up, no bull reviews Bro! Please keep it up🤘🏼.