This mirrors my own philosophy when playing, which is encouraging, since I don’t play at a very high level yet, so it’s good to know that my approach is not crazy haha. I’ll have to study some of Karpov’s games.
Well, in this particular game he has not used pretty much any calculation. I also watched Kramnik's comment on this game who said the same. So I would say the title is okay. Of course, we are not talking about the whole career, just this game.
Mikhail Tal = no calculation, pure intuition and instinct, "Plaskett's puzzle", two independent undefeated streaks of 88 and 95 games (took 4 decades to surpass with a much lower win ratio), world classical champ, world blitz champ
@@journeytograndmaster I think I'd rather take it from a credible person that knew him well, trained with him, played both classical and blitz tournament games with him. That would be Garry Kasparov: GK: I worked a bit with Tal. Around 1980, he visited Baku, we played a couple of training games, and the chess contact wasn't lost until Tal's very last days. There was a blitz tournament in Moscow, one month before Tal's death. He looked horribly. But Tal was still Tal. In this blitz tournament, I lost my only game to him. I retaliated in the second round, but the fact was that until the very end, he still had this vision of games. He was the only one I knew who didn't calculate the variants, he saw them. EK: Can you elaborate? GK: We calculate: he does this then I do that. And Tal, through all the thick layers of variants, saw that around the 8th move, it will be so and so. Some people can see the mathematical formulae, they can imagine the whole picture instantly. An ordinary man has to calculate, to think this through, but they just see it all. It occurs in great musicians, great scientists. Tal was absolutely unique. His playing style was of course unrepeatable. I calculated the variants quickly enough, but these Tal insights were unique. He was a man in whose presence others sensed their mediocrity.
Thanks, interesting to read. What is missing here in my opinion though is the translation from Super GM language to human language. It's not that Tal was not calculating, he was just doing it exceptionally fast and accurate. It's like those speed readers, that can read a book incredibly fast. It's not like they don't read at all, they just do it very fast.
@@journeytograndmaster I research gifted people as a hobby. Tal likely had a form of synesthesia. Garry Kasparov told us how Tal's chess thought process worked - not only his moves were uncommon moves, they were moves requiring recalculation and re-evaluation of the entire position. It was through an intuition realized in an instant. He knew exactly what he wanted to do and the counters of his opponent. Precise engine-style calculation was the only way to punish him, that's why it was very difficult to do under blitz time constraints. A normal human wouldn't be able to solve "Plaskett's" puzzle like Tal did. It required imagination beyond calculation. Even engines couldn't solve it until the late 2010s. Tal was born different (health issues and deformities), he was different from the others.
@@journeytograndmaster Let me show you analogy of Tal's mind in music. She realized the whole song in an instant based on random input from the audience and performed it fluently unless you've watched what transpired, listening to it, you would never guess it was conceived in an instant. th-cam.com/video/jDUc9RH5CVo/w-d-xo.html
Really enjoyed this, you have come so far in making your content more engaging and less verbose (or increasing SNR). As a quite slow chess thinker, although the idea of following easier rules than calculation appeals greatly to me, my tactical ability is quite good and so I find myself doing better in open, quickly resolving games than grinding positional games. Or at least, so I think. That doesn't diminish the allure of the positional. And even then, I find I do better following positional principles.
It always depends on how you use it, as with every tool. Also, I believe it costs around $500 if you use the discount code "journeytograndmaster". So if you use it consistently for several years, I am more than sure it's worth it. If you grab it once every few months to have a bit of fun, it's not worth it :) But as a product itself, I find it amazing and enjoy using it.
The point where there were tons of pawns involved in pawn tension - no idea how anyone plays those sorts of position without calculating. I’ve never seen a good book on pawn tension pattern’s either. I find them exhausting.
Well, if there is an opportunity of a capture, than some calculation is necessary. But still, understanding general principles of pawn structures helps hugely to take the right decision.
Yes, exactly. I just didn't know whether "sick" is good or bad :) Yes, it's really a great board, I enjoy it a lot. Don't forget to use the discount code "journeytograbdmaster" when you buy it to save some money :)
You need to standardize your volume, it's way too low. Look up the TH-cam specs and make sure your upload meets them, you (or your editor) can (should) equalize your final cut to the correct dB.
Chess wisdom or intuition mastery lead to 2300-2400 elo above that require serious calculation.leela zero without depth thinking and stockfish data ai trained without search stays over that range.
"Without calculating" "0 calculation" and "analyze opponent's threats" is an oxymoron. Maybe very little calculation, but none is a claim that can never be proven. Is there a such thing as zero tactics in chess for a great player? I say no
I guess it's a matter of definitions. For you it seems to be the same. For me and all top players I have heard those are different things. For example, Fabiano Caruana talked a lot about it. He has been the best calculator in chess whereas he is not that good with tactics (in his own words), Nakamura is much better in tactics, but not that great with calculation. I also see it in my games that those are different skills. And prophylaxis is a third different thing (at least for me) Maybe, those things differentiate for you once you achieve a certain level just like in school math at some point divides into algebra and geometry (at least it was like that in my school).
@@journeytograndmaster Caruana being modest. Is there really any GM not good at tactics? Compared to what or who? But yes, it's completely about definitions. With zero calculations and tactics, even a GM would miss a mate 3 or less. I might give you the win on prophylactics. Definitely times where you could play h3 just to prevent a bishop on g4 and provide a potential escape for the king without calculating.
@@journeytograndmaster I think you must be doing a small amount of calculation subconsciously. You and all other top players never look for checks, captures, or threats to decide a better forcing move?
Based of this player's wording structure he does not think enough. You are elaborate and in flow state combining actionable moves resulting into higher level of understanding in regards to the moves, tactics, strategies and even small titanic caviats of historical and modern chess. I just learned how the pieces move and now looking into KIA, KID, PIRC AND LONDON. your system works just fine coach. KEEP GOING. Thank you for all the masterfull words. KEEP GOING. I'd get destroyed and swept off the board by both of you 1v1. Just my two cents.
Karpov is one of my chess heroes. I played against him in a simul. Of course, I lost, but it was unforgettable.
What’s your rating dudeee
@@bjwkusgxjdks 1739, but at the time (1996) it was much higher.
@@Grandcapi what was your rating back then?
Very nice experience! I only have a photo with him but never played him.
Same. Played him when I was 10 years old. Unforgettable.
This has been such a great video. I’ve always thought of myself as a gambit player, but I’m admiring Karpov and positional chess more and more.
Thank you!
This mirrors my own philosophy when playing, which is encouraging, since I don’t play at a very high level yet, so it’s good to know that my approach is not crazy haha. I’ll have to study some of Karpov’s games.
Great! :)
Karpov was a strategic savant. Implying he didn't calculate goes to far, he had a well developed tactical acumen as well.
Of course he could. But tried to avoid tactical complications if possible
@@journeytograndmaster Agreed. So the title is misleading.
Well, in this particular game he has not used pretty much any calculation. I also watched Kramnik's comment on this game who said the same. So I would say the title is okay. Of course, we are not talking about the whole career, just this game.
Mikhail Tal = no calculation, pure intuition and instinct, "Plaskett's puzzle", two independent undefeated streaks of 88 and 95 games (took 4 decades to surpass with a much lower win ratio), world classical champ, world blitz champ
I think, you underestimate Tal's calculation skills hugely :)
@@journeytograndmaster I think I'd rather take it from a credible person that knew him well, trained with him, played both classical and blitz tournament games with him. That would be Garry Kasparov:
GK: I worked a bit with Tal. Around 1980, he visited Baku, we played a couple of training games, and the chess contact wasn't lost until Tal's very last days. There was a blitz tournament in Moscow, one month before Tal's death. He looked horribly. But Tal was still Tal. In this blitz tournament, I lost my only game to him. I retaliated in the second round, but the fact was that until the very end, he still had this vision of games. He was the only one I knew who didn't calculate the variants, he saw them.
EK: Can you elaborate?
GK: We calculate: he does this then I do that. And Tal, through all the thick layers of variants, saw that around the 8th move, it will be so and so. Some people can see the mathematical formulae, they can imagine the whole picture instantly. An ordinary man has to calculate, to think this through, but they just see it all. It occurs in great musicians, great scientists. Tal was absolutely unique. His playing style was of course unrepeatable. I calculated the variants quickly enough, but these Tal insights were unique. He was a man in whose presence others sensed their mediocrity.
Thanks, interesting to read.
What is missing here in my opinion though is the translation from Super GM language to human language.
It's not that Tal was not calculating, he was just doing it exceptionally fast and accurate. It's like those speed readers, that can read a book incredibly fast. It's not like they don't read at all, they just do it very fast.
@@journeytograndmaster I research gifted people as a hobby. Tal likely had a form of synesthesia. Garry Kasparov told us how Tal's chess thought process worked - not only his moves were uncommon moves, they were moves requiring recalculation and re-evaluation of the entire position. It was through an intuition realized in an instant. He knew exactly what he wanted to do and the counters of his opponent. Precise engine-style calculation was the only way to punish him, that's why it was very difficult to do under blitz time constraints. A normal human wouldn't be able to solve "Plaskett's" puzzle like Tal did. It required imagination beyond calculation. Even engines couldn't solve it until the late 2010s. Tal was born different (health issues and deformities), he was different from the others.
@@journeytograndmaster Let me show you analogy of Tal's mind in music. She realized the whole song in an instant based on random input from the audience and performed it fluently unless you've watched what transpired, listening to it, you would never guess it was conceived in an instant. th-cam.com/video/jDUc9RH5CVo/w-d-xo.html
Really enjoyed this, you have come so far in making your content more engaging and less verbose (or increasing SNR).
As a quite slow chess thinker, although the idea of following easier rules than calculation appeals greatly to me, my tactical ability is quite good and so I find myself doing better in open, quickly resolving games than grinding positional games. Or at least, so I think.
That doesn't diminish the allure of the positional. And even then, I find I do better following positional principles.
Thank you! If you have any tips, I always welcome it :)
Yeah, we have to improve all the aspects. It only benefits us.
Karpov very methodical cool position player
For sure!
you are an excellent chess teacher please keep putting similar videos, thank you
Thanks a lot!
Underrated channel
Thank you! :)
a great game thx to show that for us ❤
Thanks for your kind words :)
Holy crap those chessnut boards are too much. Great game thanks for sharing
Thank you!
Too much in terms of what?
sorry I meant the price, do you think they are worth it? My walnut dgt e-board was the same price ($1000 AUD) but I think it’s worth it
It always depends on how you use it, as with every tool. Also, I believe it costs around $500 if you use the discount code "journeytograndmaster". So if you use it consistently for several years, I am more than sure it's worth it. If you grab it once every few months to have a bit of fun, it's not worth it :)
But as a product itself, I find it amazing and enjoy using it.
The point where there were tons of pawns involved in pawn tension - no idea how anyone plays those sorts of position without calculating. I’ve never seen a good book on pawn tension pattern’s either. I find them exhausting.
I have found that the key is to make a random move and pray
Well, if there is an opportunity of a capture, than some calculation is necessary. But still, understanding general principles of pawn structures helps hugely to take the right decision.
The chessnut evo is so sick
What do you mean?
The board you're using , it's the chessnut Evo right ? It's a really cool chess board. I want to save up and get one for my dad
Yes, exactly. I just didn't know whether "sick" is good or bad :)
Yes, it's really a great board, I enjoy it a lot.
Don't forget to use the discount code "journeytograbdmaster" when you buy it to save some money :)
@@journeytograndmasterpeople use the word sick in slang as awesome.
Karpov literally the opposite of mikhail tal pure positional play vs tactical
yes, true
Please, What is the manufacturer and model of your chessboard? Thanks
It's Chessnut EVO from Chessnut.
The link and discount code "journeytograndmaster" are in the description :)
You need to standardize your volume, it's way too low. Look up the TH-cam specs and make sure your upload meets them, you (or your editor) can (should) equalize your final cut to the correct dB.
@@LeafBurrower thanks! We will look it up. What do you think about the quality of the audio?
That's AlphaZero's strategy too, i.e., to choke your opponent. But AlphaZero can calculate many moves ahead.
Well, when AlphaZero sees the chance, it goes for it. Karpov doesn't. Of course, the first one is also so much stronger at chess than any human :)
Positional mastery against the best GMs of his time... epic.
Indeed!
Calculation is the most important thing in chess ?
Isn't it? :)
@@journeytograndmaster Some people say it is tactics, but I'm afraid I must disagree. I think that tactics come from positional play.
Chess wisdom or intuition mastery lead to 2300-2400 elo above that require serious calculation.leela zero without depth thinking and stockfish data ai trained without search stays over that range.
"Without calculating" "0 calculation" and "analyze opponent's threats" is an oxymoron.
Maybe very little calculation, but none is a claim that can never be proven.
Is there a such thing as zero tactics in chess for a great player? I say no
10:30 Prophylactics...prevent their ideas because if this then that...calculating
I guess it's a matter of definitions. For you it seems to be the same. For me and all top players I have heard those are different things. For example, Fabiano Caruana talked a lot about it. He has been the best calculator in chess whereas he is not that good with tactics (in his own words), Nakamura is much better in tactics, but not that great with calculation. I also see it in my games that those are different skills.
And prophylaxis is a third different thing (at least for me)
Maybe, those things differentiate for you once you achieve a certain level just like in school math at some point divides into algebra and geometry (at least it was like that in my school).
@@journeytograndmaster Caruana being modest. Is there really any GM not good at tactics? Compared to what or who?
But yes, it's completely about definitions. With zero calculations and tactics, even a GM would miss a mate 3 or less.
I might give you the win on prophylactics. Definitely times where you could play h3 just to prevent a bishop on g4 and provide a potential escape for the king without calculating.
@@journeytograndmaster I think you must be doing a small amount of calculation subconsciously. You and all other top players never look for checks, captures, or threats to decide a better forcing move?
Calculation is for scrubs, intuit like the fishy himself
You talk too much
Could you elaborate on that?
What do you mean?
Yeah I was thinking the same. I'm sure could have been done in half the time got bored
Based of this player's wording structure he does not think enough. You are elaborate and in flow state combining actionable moves resulting into higher level of understanding in regards to the moves, tactics, strategies and even small titanic caviats of historical and modern chess. I just learned how the pieces move and now looking into KIA, KID, PIRC AND LONDON. your system works just fine coach. KEEP GOING. Thank you for all the masterfull words. KEEP GOING.
I'd get destroyed and swept off the board by both of you 1v1. Just my two cents.
This is the way I learned chess. “Just make the best move, let your opponent worry about calculating“
Thanks, Capablanca.
Good strategy :)