I love that we live in a time in melee where seeing someone lose the Marth ditto twice and then reverse a 3-0 with DK is saved and replayed in perfect quality for everyone to see.
@@GustoFormula I just thought that since he meant the punch itself because he said right before its charged instead of asking why he doesn't charge it much
that would make sense as dks sh bair is his best approach and good for edge guards in the way Martha fair is, so it seems good to be able to reverse without using the punch if they di behind or off stage
1:30... am I missing something, or did Rishi just randomly mess up his ledge grab? was there some kind of galaxy brain pressure technique kuyashi used to force out that fair?
Are we not gonna talk about this matchup? 50/50 if you're conservative at worst, 55/45 for DK if you're realistic. All of Marth's strengths such as range, grab range, arial combos, are all matched or bested by DK's range, grab range and arial combos. Plus, DK has better grab throws.
Ur not considering matchup inexperience being relevant in this match. DK is huge and gets picked apart by marth and has terrible recovery. There is no way DK wins but marth is probably his best top tier matchup
@@Hogy58 With the advent of Slippi and more uncommon matchups being played, from what I've seen I would say DK/Marth is at least 50/50, but in my opinion it's slightly favored to DK. Even pro DK mains like Ringler think DK slightly has an edge head-to-head with Marth. Here's why: Marthritis - DK is big yes but he's also very heavy. Most of Marth's moves cannot kill him very early unless he lands tippers. This can drag out fights and lead to my next point. Attrition: Having similar range, but where DK is very durable Marth is frail and will die to most of DKs moves much earlier than DK will to Marth. In a battle of attrition trying to better character DK with hitboxes can lead to Marth trading blows and coming out losing. Recovery - DK's recovery is pretty solid and good DKs like Ringler have shown that. Marth on the other hand can get gimped by DK's upB at lower percent trying to recover back to ledge. Speaking of upB... 4FALCOSHINES - DK's upB can punish Marth trying to shield grab DK when DK spams bair or if Marth is going for bad fairs/nairs. Marth's legs and head - A lot of Marth players going aerial will find that many of DK's move like ftilt have range and power that will clip his legs and in some scenarios lead to him losing a stock. How Marth functions in general is that his head and legs are exposed during things like nair or certain parts of his fair which DK's long range moves like ftilt or even bair can hit. Also, Marth's moves like fsmash extend his hurtbox out which DK can strike when he reels back with fsmash or giant punch (causing Marth to whiff) and kill him. In general I think it's tough because most of Marth's moves that are fast generally don't kill (especially if you land the weaker part of sword), whereas his fsmash that kills is very laggy if it misses and easily punished by DK's range, grab and power. Just my 2 cents.
I think a big factor is matchup experience. Kuyashi is definitely good at the Marth ditto, but he probably doesn't have much practice against Donkey Kong. This is actually an advantage Hungrybox, Axe and aMSa have since their characters are uncommon and harder to practice against, and also a possible point you could bring up if you wanted to make an argument against Fox being the best character (he's played by a lot of people, and therefore easy to practice against).
@@upgamerFranzo or you could also argue that fox being so dominant in spite of everyone knowing how to fight him is truly what cements his position as number one
@@TheStrangeBloke Fox isn't dominant though, he's just popular. There are 2 solo Fox mains in the latest top 10, and 3 players that use him as a secondary (against Hbox because he has a better matchup vs Puff than their mains). A lot of people play Fox at all levels because they find him enjoyable. And in 2019 a solo Fox won only one major afaik, which suggests he isn't really dominant. This doesn't mean he isn't the best character, but he's also pretty overrated.
@@upgamerFranzo but he is for sure the most present tho. He's the most played character both in the top 10 and in the top 100. It's undeniable that he is for sure the most dominant in competitive melee. Of course he's not a completely dominant character since many other characters can rise to the top, but he is for sure, the most dominant out of them all.
I love that we live in a time in melee where seeing someone lose the Marth ditto twice and then reverse a 3-0 with DK is saved and replayed in perfect quality for everyone to see.
In an online tournament using rollback netcode no less
Kuyashi: plays excellent, defensive, high level melee
Konkey Dong: I'm about to end this man's whole career
The audience at 9:30 is exactly what went through Rishi’s head between games two and three.
I was going to write something similar. That switch was weirdly hilarious and also emblematic of the whole set
14:52 and this is where it all ended
Heard about this but couldn't find it anywhere! Thanks for uploading 😁
While you wasted your time perfecting the Marth ditto I studied the DONG
Sometimes you just gotta switch things up. Really hype Rishi pulled this off
"Damn my marth isn't cutting it? Better go DK!"
And it worked out too. Thats what makes this more humorous.
sick dong
DK - Marth is definitely 70-70
What a legend
I want to see the Rishi v Westballz DK ditto
hey rishi why do you stop the donkey punch charge right before it's charged? is it so you can b reverse?
You can always reverse the punch but I think it's because 9 wind ups is more powerful than the max 10
Dj Hooker he meant using it to turn around in the air
@@GustoFormula I just thought that since he meant the punch itself because he said right before its charged instead of asking why he doesn't charge it much
that would make sense as dks sh bair is his best approach and good for edge guards in the way Martha fair is, so it seems good to be able to reverse without using the punch if they di behind or off stage
1:30... am I missing something, or did Rishi just randomly mess up his ledge grab? was there some kind of galaxy brain pressure technique kuyashi used to force out that fair?
Misinput I think
I think we just found Zain's kryptonite! :D
Uh...Zain?
@@irishjet2687 It's a joke.
the HEART
Expand dong
It was still the Marth ditto he just put on a gorilla suit
And this my friends, is evidence for the term "viable" on DK
looooooool
Prophetic Westballz said like 4 years ago DK - Marth is 70-30
So is sheik dk (for sheik)
thats actually insane
Are we not gonna talk about this matchup? 50/50 if you're conservative at worst, 55/45 for DK if you're realistic. All of Marth's strengths such as range, grab range, arial combos, are all matched or bested by DK's range, grab range and arial combos. Plus, DK has better grab throws.
Ur not considering matchup inexperience being relevant in this match. DK is huge and gets picked apart by marth and has terrible recovery. There is no way DK wins but marth is probably his best top tier matchup
@@Hogy58 With the advent of Slippi and more uncommon matchups being played, from what I've seen I would say DK/Marth is at least 50/50, but in my opinion it's slightly favored to DK. Even pro DK mains like Ringler think DK slightly has an edge head-to-head with Marth. Here's why:
Marthritis - DK is big yes but he's also very heavy. Most of Marth's moves cannot kill him very early unless he lands tippers. This can drag out fights and lead to my next point.
Attrition: Having similar range, but where DK is very durable Marth is frail and will die to most of DKs moves much earlier than DK will to Marth. In a battle of attrition trying to better character DK with hitboxes can lead to Marth trading blows and coming out losing.
Recovery - DK's recovery is pretty solid and good DKs like Ringler have shown that. Marth on the other hand can get gimped by DK's upB at lower percent trying to recover back to ledge. Speaking of upB...
4FALCOSHINES - DK's upB can punish Marth trying to shield grab DK when DK spams bair or if Marth is going for bad fairs/nairs.
Marth's legs and head - A lot of Marth players going aerial will find that many of DK's move like ftilt have range and power that will clip his legs and in some scenarios lead to him losing a stock. How Marth functions in general is that his head and legs are exposed during things like nair or certain parts of his fair which DK's long range moves like ftilt or even bair can hit. Also, Marth's moves like fsmash extend his hurtbox out which DK can strike when he reels back with fsmash or giant punch (causing Marth to whiff) and kill him.
In general I think it's tough because most of Marth's moves that are fast generally don't kill (especially if you land the weaker part of sword), whereas his fsmash that kills is very laggy if it misses and easily punished by DK's range, grab and power.
Just my 2 cents.
S tier conditioning
That Kong gameplay is sick
Solo Main DK please and when you are the best in the world with DK you can go back to being called Smash God.
Amazing
DONGIMUS KONKITY
Sick dk but why can't you win with marth lol?!
Can marth summon 4 multi-shining falcos?
I think a big factor is matchup experience. Kuyashi is definitely good at the Marth ditto, but he probably doesn't have much practice against Donkey Kong. This is actually an advantage Hungrybox, Axe and aMSa have since their characters are uncommon and harder to practice against, and also a possible point you could bring up if you wanted to make an argument against Fox being the best character (he's played by a lot of people, and therefore easy to practice against).
@@upgamerFranzo or you could also argue that fox being so dominant in spite of everyone knowing how to fight him is truly what cements his position as number one
@@TheStrangeBloke Fox isn't dominant though, he's just popular. There are 2 solo Fox mains in the latest top 10, and 3 players that use him as a secondary (against Hbox because he has a better matchup vs Puff than their mains). A lot of people play Fox at all levels because they find him enjoyable.
And in 2019 a solo Fox won only one major afaik, which suggests he isn't really dominant. This doesn't mean he isn't the best character, but he's also pretty overrated.
@@upgamerFranzo but he is for sure the most present tho. He's the most played character both in the top 10 and in the top 100. It's undeniable that he is for sure the most dominant in competitive melee. Of course he's not a completely dominant character since many other characters can rise to the top, but he is for sure, the most dominant out of them all.
rishis marth is so much more epic