Come off it, the Scottish people were asked 8 years ago if they wanted independence and they said no. Sturgeon then immediately set about trying to get another referendum because she can't accept reality. So let's say she got her wish, the UK spent another fortune it doesn't have on another referendum and it comes back the same no answer...guess what Sturgeon will do. Yep, start organising another referendum until she gets the result SHE wants, not the people of Scotland. Do you think this is actually about Scotland for Sturgeon? Because it's not. This is about Sturgeon wanting to be able to say she's a world leader. An ego trip. Nothing more. Perhaps she should move to a different country.
I laugh when I hear politicians saying that the issue of independence is not important compared to the other issues Scottish people face. This is not the case. If more than half the country thinks it doesn't belong in the Union, then this is the most important issue facing Scotland.
Also only a few years ago the same politicians were endlessly talking about how important democracy and our independence from the EU were. … doesn’t seem like a majority will for independence is so important now.
"More than half" since when is 40-45% more than half? Lol.. See Nicola would be better off concentrating on important stuff like sorting Scotland's pathetic education system you have just demonstrated so well...
@@cw8867 I am Scottish, thankfully the majority are not idiots. Most of us love the UK and being part of a bigger family of people. We want life to be better for all. There are a jobless and selfish few who are a vocal minority. Rule Britannia and God save the King.
@@gerardflynn3899 it isn’t, it’s an English Tory monopoly game. Brexit ensured the divergence of Scotland and England. That is what they wanted (Brexit) and they got it, but expect Scotland to accept it? Never will any sensible Scottish person accept the damage caused largely by racists and xenophobes in little England.
@@isolationnationn do's not sound like it. Sounds more like just saying. Maybe you should let your kids have access. Sounds like you struggle to get into yours.SAOR ALBA 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😋
Guaranteed? First we need an armed insurrection, and then foreign intervention. Now... how many countries in the world would reach out and promote the breaking up of the United Kingdom?
@@squamd5777 because the EU is highly beneficial, look how the RoI interest's were defended against Tory pie in the sky, that everyone with a clue was going to fail
@@VeeShenge Brexit has made it less likely people in Scotland would vote to leave the UK. If Scots wouldn't vote for independence when they would have remained in political union with the UK - they're not going to vote for independence to be out of political union with the UK.
@@Iazzaboyce okay if that is the case sure, let them have their say. 10 years is really a long time. Especially if the calls for independence have not stopped and they continue to vote for the party which supports and promotes indipendence. If you are sure the referendum should be fine then
As far as I'm concerned, Sturgeon is a seditious traitor who wants to break up the Union, Scotland has it's own laws, banks and government as well as the same monarch. Let's not forget the SNP planned to collaborate with the Nazis during WW2 and were close to the Nazis in the 1930s. Sturgeon must accept the 2014 result because she's behaving like an entitled spoilt brat throwing her dummy out because she did not get the result she wanted in 2014. Look at Scotland under Sturgeon, it's become a hellhole where merely making a joke is an arrest offense. I'm from England and I know my government are bad but Sturgeon, she's far worse than Sunak and Hunt and I pity the people of Scotland who have to live under Sturgeon's mismanagement, corruption and more authoritarian leaning government. The Scots deserve better.
You’re right, we do have the right to decide our own future, but where were you when we voted on this? Do you forget that the people of Scotland voted against Independence? Much was made of the “once in a lifetime” vote, yet here we are again because some people have trouble loosing. We laugh at Trump but the similarities between Trump and Sturgeon are becoming more obvious by the day. I don’t have any nasty feelings towards people who hold different political views, but I DO have issues with people who are trying to take away MY democratic vote that was legally cast in the referendum. I don’t personally always win, but I have the maturity to understand that this is life. I wish the SNP would show a little more of the same maturity.
You can’t just have a referendum vote when you feel like one. It impacts the economy enormously. Once in a life time time/ generation. That isn’t 8 years. The core happened. SNP need to focus on the shambles in the NHS and it’s cost of living crisis. Scotland would be left bankrupt.
I hope the wishes of Scotish people are respected whether they choose to be part of the UK or to be an independent country. Scotland is a great nation.
Never.Rebel rousers like sturgeon only thinks of herself and she wants supreme power to run Scotland. That hypocrital b**ch who bleated on about how bad Brexit was she wants the same thing, she wants to break the union and it will make us and Scotland poorer.
Message to my jock people, SNP are bad, these bastards would commit civil war if needed be, or if they had the brains, Better and stronger together as the UK, God bless the King, and all British ethnicities that make us British throught background, religious beliefs, and his UK armed forces too. For king and country, HM govt Armed forces and civil servants, and Churchill and Baroness Thatcher.
It literally would have to get permission from the UK government in the exact same way, you complete and utter 🤡🤡😂😂😂😂😂. England has never been allowed a referendum on independence, Scotland has... you got any more ignorant comments to post? 😂🤡
@@Danzo1212Immagine to promise to Scotland to stay in the UK "union" because of EU and after few months you (England) broke that promise and decided for all UK to get out from EU! There is only Democracy for England, isn't it!?!?!
Like any organization there has to be some sensible rules and yes it SHOULD be difficult to break apart . We have already seen how populist Nationalism and misinformation can lead a country down a clearly bad path with Brexit, it should be a lesson.
@@Battleneter And yet the only major division on Brexit, was the one between Scotland and England. Scotland wished to remain by some 62%.... where 53% of our neighbours voted for the exit.
@@Battleneter 2014 independence referendum was the lesson, hence Scotland voting 62% to remain in EU. We were ready for the tide of disinformation, though it wasnt as one sided as 2014.
Minority of the population want to control how the rest think. The MAJORITY of the people of Scotland do NOT want 'independence' if it's the kind being offered by the SNP - Leave UK and join the EU - complete ignorance of how the system works.
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Feels like bunk for Tories and Labor to claim that Scotland had other issues to focus on as if those issues aren't inherently tied to being a member of the UK.
You moan about being ruled by Westminster, we are all ruled by Westminster , I would say you are actually ruled by queen Nicola, so if you don’t like being ruled by a third party, then why do you want to join the EU, that’s not having independence is it.
The Act of Union of 1707 formed Great Britain by uniting the crowns of England and Scotland. Scotland had been deeply in debt, up to the point of facing national bankruptcy, and England bailed them out. The price of that bailout was Scottish independence. The Scottish people were subject to English rule from that day forward. If they want to leave the Union, Westminster must approve their leaving. Want to place a bet on whether or not that is going to happen? 😁
@@k.schmidt2740 wanna place a bet on how well the Scottish are going to accept that? The short answer is that I'm not sure that they're particularly willing to be shackled by a 300 years old treaty. Especially after being deceived by the unionists on the latest vote on independence, months before brexit
@@jotunheim5302 No approval means no legislative route to self-determination exists within the UK. Your sentence should read: 'There is no legal grounds to seek a referendum'.
@@rossmcgowan123 We are all ready in economic chaos! By being prisoners in this undemocratic union? . Wake up! Where have you been? england has been squandering billions of pounds, of tax payers money for years.
Selfishly as an Englishman, I would much rather Scotland stay part of our union. I love the Country! However, I would not deny them their freedom from being ruled by the absolute shower of shite in Westminster. And, I would also add that even though I’m not a massive fan of Sturgeon, she is still a miles better leader than anything the Tories have given us
Most of us in Scotland recognise the difference between the English people and the Westminster parliament. I've live for decades in England and know the Tories are hated by most further north than Birmingham. I just wish you can come with us!
@@seankavanagh7625 We have a big army, India is big country, our defence capabilities are increasing, We have ballistic missiles entirely indeginious, we can help you very much. We like ireland.
@@sharadjain2463 Thank you but we've tried achieving complete independence by force in Ireland. It doesn't work. You have to win people's hearts and minds, guns and missiles can't do that.
@@whiteknox477 england is the only country making decisions, with UK-wide votes and decisions Scotland, Wales and NI all lose their voice because of the population of England. We want to leave to express our voices and embrace democracy
@@jjbanders actually England doesn’t have its own parliament we just have the primary parliament which deals with the UK. So we can’t express our voices since they’re busy dealing with other problems around the UK
If the powers of independence are held in Westminster, and not in the parliament of that nation, then these are not sovereign nations unified voluntarily whatsoever.
And they were given a vote less than a decade ago. She's just desperate to drag Scotland back into the e.u even though Scottish people voted for brexit.
@@nooie2 but that just over half. The fact of the matter is they are part of the uk and 62 % of Scotland don't make up a majority. Nicola just wants to cut and run because she hates the British people.
We already had an Independence vote . We voted No. Every opinion poll since shows it is still No. Most people here don't even want another referendum . So get your facts right and don't be fooled by SNP fake news about Democracy !!
Don't worry, Scotland. If you declared independence tomorrow, and asked the European Union and the United States for recognition, you would get our and their support. So, you don't need permission from Westminster. You have a Parliament, you have a government. You're not Catalonia, and the UK is not Spain. You can do this. We've got your back on this one.
"Don't need permission from Westminster?" Most certainly Scotland does. It wants to be respected in the World and be a good international partner when it becomes independent, so it certainly does not want to achieve independence in an unlawful manner.
Said it before: if you need to ask the partner parliament of your voluntary union if it is allowed to question your own people if they want to remain in this union then why did GB not have to ask the EU Parliament if it is ok to hold a Brexit referendum - just saying
Because Britain is one nation, and the EU is a union of very separate and very distinct nations. It's not complicated. Rather simple, in fact. It's like there is a whole breed of rabid scot nats that don't understand what the devolved government actually is. It didn't break up Britain in to different countries, and it was never meant to. It was meant to ensure that the things that most needed funding and attention would be addressed if national policy meant that other things were being prioritised because that's what Cornwall (say) needed. In much the same way that the mayoral system that was introduced to the UK didn't create city states. Sadly, ever since the SNP has taken power, all the really important things have suffered (things like education, social mobility, life expectancy and other metrics that detail whether a country is succeeding or not), with Scotland falling behind the rest of the UK. Probably because a one policy party has hijacked the devolved government to do something it was never intended to do, and they have little to no interest in things like improving life for their constituents. Seriously - go look at the statistics of where Scotland ranked compared to other parts of the UK before SNP seized hold, to the years after. It's awful.
Yes, you're ignorant. So, I'll help you. The act of Union was willingly signed onto by the Scottish parliament in perpetuity. As your clearly not very intelligent, that means forever. No 'backsys'. It devolved the power of state to Westminster. So, ONLY Westminster could decide on a referendum. It really was that simple and nippy knew it. So, it was Westminster that allowed the last referendum as a once in a lifetime referendum and all the political parties signed on to that. The SNP lost. Whereas, the EU had provision for exit. It's really that simple.
How many times do they want a referendum on the issue? They had one and reneged on the promise to adhere to the decision. Another EU/Remoaner ploy to keep voting until the correct decision is made?
As a Kurd I would give my life for independence chance of Kurdistan. It is hard for me to understand Scotish people but yeah different geographies and different situations.
@@michaelhoodleeder No Scotland did not voluntarily join the Union of Great Britain, it was forced to Join by King James 1st of England who had before becoming King of England and Scotland King James 6th of Scotland, he formed the Union to stop the Scottish Clans killing them selves and the Union of Scotland and England was sighnd on one day and the Union of England and Scotland was sighnd the next day, this was about 400 years ago. Scotland would be the lame duck of Europe on it's own as the majority of money used for Scottish public services comes from the UK Government, millions of pounds in what is called the Barnett Formular and England has nothing to do with it as England is a country with no Government being run by large county councils, it is the UK Government that runs the country. The decision was decided by the UK Supreme Court that only the UK Government in Westminster governs the UK and can decide if any part of the UK can have independence.
@@TheGullyfoyleBefore going on about a load of rubbish, try googling the History of the Union between England and Scotland of 1707, it was not voluntary it was made to happen to stop infighting f the Scottish Clans and yes GB News is very good at getting to the point
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Google is not the Grail Peter, GB news is a platform for minority views, somewhere for third rate TV personalities to get their kicks.
"The division, the debate separated families and communities, when we should be focused on working together." That's rich coming from a conversative, given they're so good at doing anything but sewing these divisive seeds of hate, anger and fear. Pitching people against whoever they need people to hate to serve their agenda, and cling on to power.
They said that last time - will they want ANOTHER referendum should the next one not give them the result they want? Never ending referendums until Krankie gets the result she wants?
The SNP doesn't want to " free " us. They want to control us, Hard borders, draconian laws, a divided hate-filled society, passports, and visas, to roam our Islands free of the suffocating yoke of the SNP. keep us FREE from the SNP!
Trouble is Scotland can not legally become Independent unless the UK Government, the Government of the United Kingdom which by the way is made up of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland will allow it, this decision was decided on by the highest court in the UK, The UK Supreme Court and backed up by the Scottish Advocate Court the equivalent in Scotland.
I support another referendum so Nicola Snakeurgeon can be shut forever and get forced to quit politics! As without Scottish independence promises then Nicola will be find out how Scotland is screwed economically and socially!!!
@Victory will be Ukrainian. The separatists in Eastern Ukraine have voted to leave successfully in the referendum. Why the western countries do not recognise the result of the referendum, even Russia has recognised it?
sure, in the same way that the ERG Group would have been totally fine that the remaining EU member states got a vote on Brexit as well. Yep, that would have totally been accepted...
...and how is this true for the UK? Do you not remember 2014? One woman and her cabal has an obsession and who is frequently in the media. This does not equate to the whole of Scotland wanting out.
@@MontyCantsin5 Where? Polls are largely the same as in 2014, i.e. independence is a minority view. Most Scots do not even want another referendum anytime soon, check the latest polling.
Independence is never granted, it is taken, if Scotland wants to be independent of the UK it should declare it self so, write a Scottish Declaration of Independence, and a Constitution, and put it to the Scottish People to Vote on. The First step is to write the Documents, the second is to Repudiate the UK Court system, and Parliament, one can not be half a Revolutionary, you either are, or your are not.
Scotland has its own Court system, its own Parliament, it’s own Church, it’s not even a common law jurisdiction. Some colony Ever heard of an “english colony” that wasn’t common law?
Well, the Soviet Union tried to keep the Baltic states back in their Union too. But if people really want to be free , no court in the World can stop them...
@@bobbaxter1356 you lied to stop Independence where is the guaranteed EU citizenship that was promised, the majority now supports Independence after being taken out of the EU after we voted 62% to remain in the EU
@@bobbaxter1356 Well, it's been nearly nine years since then, it's a long time in any human's life. Many of today's citizens were not allowed to vote back in 2014.
A Labour Government with some sensible policies, an end to culture wars and a return to growth, would hole Sturgeon below the waterline and she knows it, which is why she's making a last desperate stand now. She knew she would lose this but it's a means of whipping up a bigger sulk. Scotland had it's "once in a Generation vote" and the SNP leadership agreed not to call for another for that time. No country can have continual Ref's until the side whaling separation gets the result it wants. It's divisive and disruptive to commerce. The border and currency issues would be terrible.
@@NA-gf1zy Only thing I'd disagree with is that she is moving the goalposts when she is told no... She moves the goalposts when she is told yes, but she then misses.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 By some laws in the not so distant past, slaves were the property of their master. Laws can and should be broken, if they are WRONG. Those who make change unlawful, will see their 'laws' changed, peacefully or otherwise.
@@doom8082 What has this got to do with the fact that the UK supreme court reused Scottish independence and who are the slaves you are referring too, who are the masters, and do you actually know that the British Government was the first Country to abolish Slavery.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 If you are denied the right to independence/self determination, you are by definition a slave. It's wonderful that it abolished slavery decades after benefiting from it. So progressive of them. But apparently being slave-drivers is in their blood, UK continues to enslave the people who they 'govern' by denying their most fundamental rights.
In the words of Brexiteers..when will the will of the people be respected? Scotland wants to be free from unelected bureaucrats in Westminster, free to control their own destiny?
Yea before the 2016 referendum when Scotland voted more convincingly to remain in the EU. Stop saying 2014, I voted Blair in 97, that's means nothing today. Oh and do you care to address the part of the 2014 vote where David Cameron said voting to leave would mean losing out on the European Union?
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
@@1967deek Brexit is being free, independent and self governing, so yes just like brexit. That is until Scotland realises what everyone already knows that the eu is not a trade bloc but a federal project in which Scotland would be a rule taker and tax payer.
@@knightswhosayni funny enough Scotland in EU could decide for itself if it want to be in it and when they want to be out of it (article 50 anyone? UK didn't had to ask EU for permission to trigger it.)
Nicola Sturgeon is another Sally Albright: she wants to leave the UK but she wants to keep Sterling. And now she wants to join Europe, but she doesn't want the Euro... I don't think even Clark Kent could satisfy this lady!
When did Sterling become English ? Thought that we were a “United” and “Equal” partnership, or us that just the pretext for keeping Scotland shackled to its English master !!
So the should SFU and accept that Scotland vote have no value ? That this is a forced Union where Scotland can vote whatever they want and it is fine that England force them to go they other way ?!? How this denial is helping the Union to thrive ? How this denial is helping people to trust in Westminster and think this is a democracy ? Doubts I got ... as a green guy would say.
@@noelpucarua2843 Magic SNP Money spent like the following: • £20m on PretendyRef • £5m renovating two tower blocks • £100m to rent/staff two cruise ships • £9m on foreign offices •£15m on prisoner wages • £3m on mobile phones for prisoners • £1.5m on an election campaign • £6.1m spent on radio advertising during pandemic • £424m spent on locum doctors • £18m annually on MSP expenses • £116m annually to run Holyrood • £30m on Holyrood repairs • £450,000 paid to Stonewall • £23m on repairs to the empty Sick Kids Hospital • £7m on ministerial chauffeur-driven cars • £1.3m on ministerial car trips • £1.2m on electric cars for Holyrood staff • £25m for 2,000 car charging points in Aberdeen • £30m on a Low Carbon Transport Loan scheme •£500,000 on a failed national energy company • £110m on two ferries (sitting in dry dock unfinished) • f40m on the Rangers case • £52m on Bi-Fab • £586m on Lochaber Smelter •£178m on failed Agricultural IT system • £745m on the A90 (original forecast was £395m) • £30m on failed energy company investment •£10bn on failed Chinese consortium deal • £20m on electric police cars (with no charge points)
@@noelpucarua2843 Are you stupid or trolling? All of that money was wasted by the Scottish government. Westminster had nothing to do with those decisions.
I would love to see England turn round to the other 3 countries in the Union and say........ "WE ARE GOING TO BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY". "NOW P#SS OFF"... (From a Scot.)
@@johnmckay2058 one of the reasons for the UK being so against Scottish independence is precisely because it opens the door for England to exist again. No potlical entity will ever voluntarily allow itself to be weakened.
@@PorthLlwyd In 2013 Police Scotland was made a National Force to discourage nepotism. In 2019 the Fife Constabulary Chief, Garry McEwan had retired after his father occupied the same post for the previous lifetime term. But how had they changed the force after 2013 to be more national in its staff structures? NOT AT ALL, Garry's brother Derek had stepped into the top job as soon as Garry retired and had even married a young police chief to keep their hands on power long into the future! What does Nicola care for beyond her salary and job security? Not much.
@alexandercrump2298 - I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am finding the adult political debate to be refreshing. Be grateful this debate is not going down the path of an out-of-control juvenile tantrum for which law enforcement would not hold the perpetrators of violence accountable. Rule of law and democratic debate are superior to chaos and anarchy that results from the over-throw of a Constitutional democracy. Nowadays in the USA if the radical extremist political party disagrees with you, they don't offer rational counter points. They call you a NAZI, and then have the local television news record their anonymous black-clad assassins firebombing your house for broadcast on the evening news program while they announce that they are fighting for truth and social justice against your monumental evil that is trying to kidnap their babies to eat them as a satanic ritual. The psychotic extremists take the "straw man" fallacy to the extreme for their counter point because it gets them attention in the news. It's friggin' insanity here as leadership has recently taken a long vacation at one of their many beach-front, gated mansions made possible by the "modest" compensation of public servants which they suddenly acquired after taking public office (note: extremists have never held a real job in the private sector). We can't even take the problem to the FBI as they have now assumed the role of the NKVD by pursuing political opponents with false accusations, a bag full of fabricated evidence, and Stalinist zeal. Look on the bright side and count your blessings. Then come out fighting for adult democratic debate above all political issues.
I'm English and living in for the last twenty years,and I'm noticing a lot more yes voter's than the was last time round! I'm even thinking of voting yes myself if the chance comes again.
The only way to be free free Scottish must go to war for they independent for they freedom ..England is scamming Scotland end Northern Ireland cause Scotland has oil,gas fish 🎣 etc ,,northern Ireland has cheap slaves makin ships food etc for English..it’s fuking independent now or never… war is decision to clear it out
@@alfredbatchelor1954 nah that's just because England made a bunch of false promises vows and commitments but never delivered any of which they said would come with brexit like full devo max 9 million for the NHS Scotland can keep its EU rights if it votes to remain part of the UK Scotland can get this and that but got nothing of which was promised
@@jamesmiller9363 your spreading hatred about English, not much better then the IRA, or Putin really, I don’t need to listen or read from people who are very narrow minded.
I'm just a foreigner looking in from the outside, but wouldn't the financial situation for working people and families be better if Scotland was a separate country and a member of the EU? Isn't part of the reason that the U.K. is doing worse than it's European neighbors is that they are now paying more for imports, etc. due to Brexit? They are in effect an island in both the literal and figurative sense. As to a vote for Scottish independence...wasn't the last one a vote by all U.K. citizens? Well of course it failed. It makes no sense to me that an independence vote would be conducted outside of Scotland. The Scottish people should be only ones voting...but what do I know, I'm just as foreigner from a democratic country. I see this as a set up against the Scottish people and their ability to access democracy completely.
If your plan for independence is for your economy to be propped up by the tax payer of the place you just got independence from, and for the place you just got independence from to continue supplying military defense, you don't have independence, you just become a dependency. The SNP's plan is to take Scotland from being a country to being on the same level as Guernsey. I hope Scotland one day becomes independent, but not with the SNP.
@@emm_arr The voting system is already eons ahead of the FPTP system found @ Westminster. It's pretty confounding that the SNP return so favourably under the D'Hondt system, when the whole premise is that it's fairer with respect to the balance of political power. Perhaps you should consider why that is......... *hint*.... Unanswered constitutional question?
I am equal within the UK as a Scottish citizen ? No ! I am an unequal citizen of the “United Kingdom”, a political prisoner of an Undemocratic United Kingdom, led by the English governing London, there by numbers alone, not equal representation
Yep, even if you think your English but your not, schools police social services all fake all against certain individuals. Using certain tactical methods in cultural destruction separation of truth.
Bro everyone outside of the south feels that way yet alone Welsh Nth. Irish Scots things need to change Scotland isn’t alone in that don’t blame that on all English also forgetting Scottish population in England the whole voting system needs to change -only 40% of the Uk voted Tory And yet that have a huge majority -libdems got 3.6 million votes and 11 seats across Uk -SNP got 1.2 million 48 seats just which is only 20% of Scottish population These stats don’t make sense independence isn’t the answer REAL representation is
Uk heading south after Brexit have become a laughing stock globally with the revolving door of PM's, I can see what Scotland want out and to rejoin the European Union.
@@ynwa3476 1.Spain won’t let us 2. Exactly, it will take years to reduce the deficit from 10% to the require 3% 3. Can think of nothing worse then the flawed Euro
@@ynwa3476 If they go that route, I think we need to build a huge wall over the border to stop them moving to England and shitting this country up as well. There's already enough problems down here!
You cannot block self determination. It will only express itself in other ways. Also, the UK made it a point that being part of the EU was a strong reason to vote to remain in the UK. Not two years later that promise was broken with the brexit vote. Scotland most definitely deserves a second vote on this premise alone...
Rubbish, the court ruled scotland is not being ruled, not a colony. And during the scottish referendum the SNP made it very clear that the rest of the Uk could leave the EU. It's ironic you claim being a colony and want freedom only to want to join the EU
You can’t just have a referendum until you get what you want. That’s not democracy. And this isn’t blocking self determination, if that were the case then France, Germany, Spain, USA, and Italy are not democracies because they explicitly forbid secession unlike UK.
You expect anti democratic behavior from the Tories but Labour should be ashamed to ignoring the democratic mandate given by the Scottish people, Red Tartan Tories indeed
The only anti-democrats here are the SNP. They are the ones that want to quite literally ignore the democratic laws of the UK. Also, ftr, the amount of Scots who want a second referendum are in a minority according to all the polls.
English Constituonlists would dissolve the Union and save the English Taxpayers £50 billion pounds per year. We would also abolish the abomination that is the Supreme Court and create an English-only Parliament and restore fully English Constitutional Law which is what the oath system is based on.
So we're not a democracy because we actually have laws and courts in place to stop politicians doing things like holding illegitimate referenda? Makes perfect sense
@@DaBIONICLEFan the courts upholding laws is fantastic. Its the laws that need to change. Many people over history have lived under opression by law. Lawfully genocided, Lawfully lobotimised. The law is not a nuetral code. It is not decided what the law should be neutrally. And just becuse the law is the way it is, doesn't mean it should stay that way. If the courts had found in favor of the proposition that holyrood could have an advisory referendum then a referendum wouldnt have been lawful. Since they ruled that an advisory referndum would not be lawful the SNP aren't doing it. Its not the ruling that prevented an illegal referendum, it was the SNP'd desire to abide by the law that prevented an illigal referendum. Just a note: Legitamancy and legality are not one and the same. The blocking of a referendum by westminster is legal becuse it is codified. Its not however legitamate if we hold the first principle of democracy higher and believe in iy more than a particular constitutional arrangement.
the people of scotland voted to stay in the uk so why does she not respect the vote it’s all about her needs to sort out schools and nhs instead of using tax payers money on indy again when we have already voted to stay plus she is taking work away from the working man !! no new power stations in scotland she will have us all cycling bikes in our front room for power next !!! it’s all about nicola she watches braveheart to often
She is a Communist therefore the will of the people is irrelevant. She wants to be a 'real' politician and sit at the 'high table' with other 'real' politicians. The alternative is a life of indifference and play-acting at politics.
@@craigarmit7882 I don't recall anyone objecting to the process that it would be a UK vote and NOT a Street by Street vote. Bit it seems remoaners still haven't gotten over that example of basic Democracy at work - MAJORITY DECISION.
The problem Sturgeon has is now the answer is no from The Supreme Court, is she can't carry on blaming Westminster and will have to start funding Scotland as it should be funded. On a positive note, she had £20 million pounds she rammed down her knickers for Independence she can use. Personally, I would have an audit on the way she has used the funds.
That's not all the money she's concealed. NI contributions, budget money, furlough money, carers bonuses, even money from their own donors - mysteriously gone.
Can Sturgeon not accept no for an answer? The Scots had their chance to vote independence in 2014 and voted no. She just needs to accept it and move on rather than fight a futile battle. She has clearly watched Braveheart way too many times.
By dragging SCO out of the EU against their will how can you expect people to be still fine with England's choice ? This is a forced Union with no Article 50. This is a Union where only the vote of English counts. The rest must follow them...
Well, old crankey is the pipe piper, her people are going to follow her to ruins. No central bank, no army, probably relying on EU to accept Scotland into the EU club. She'd be surprised if the EU reject Scotland, because Scotland has NOTHING to bring to the table. It'd be mother of all embarrassment to the Scottish people.
@@LeThelittleOnesComeToMe Sure, so if you are that sure it will be a disaster, why are you denying Scotland a say. Scotland should have had the same right to block Brexit, because they were sure it would be chaos... is it ? 🤣 UK is just a forced Union ...
@@neilwildgoose7459 You can't keep asking for a replay when the result doesn't suit you. Instead, concentrate on hospital waiting list, fixing the roads, living within our means, concentrate on the cost of living, rising council tax, tackling the drug problem. Get our house in order beforehand. Meanwhile, I will enjoy or FREE university tuition FREE prescription, FREE eyecare, FREE bus travel, FREE baby boxes, FREE eldercare, FREE School meals.
As per usual, denial of the will of individual citizens of Scotland by the Labour & Conservative parties, who tag everything as “SNP” when my vote and my will, is to be Independent of the English governing parties, both Labour & Conservative, living in an Independent Scotland, where any party can canvas for votes, in our own elections, to rule as a sovereign and independent Scottish nation. I am a businessman with over 100 people working for me and I believe in a strong and stable independent Scotland and I will fight tooth & nail for that independence
It's such a pity you can't just leave the UK right now !!! At least we won't have to here you all moaning on and on and on. The opinion polls are split equally on any given day.So what happens to the rest of the Scots who don't want to leave ? Your not really bothered are you truth be told you just want independence.
@@chrisdude9641 I take it you live in Scotland I'm across the border in Carlisle. The way things are portrayed to everyone not in Scotland is that you all want to have your independence.Which if it's true I don't think anyone should stop.It seems that all the people who voted to stay with the other three nations have been forgotten about by Sturgeon.
@@mauricetrotter6010 It's a very divisive topic that appeals to any one regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. The SNP are still popular but they are also very unpopular. Very divisive. I'm of the opinion that the SNP's pursuit of 'independence' is a smokescreen deflecting their failures in government. The other parties are not much better. The SNP are an existential threat to our way of life. It's vital to protect our financial system and also our freedoms, the Hate Bill Act is one of the Draconian pieces of legislation Scotland has ever had. They don't care about the economy. It's ideology. Just like another nationalist socialist party.
when it comes to Scotland the English media are so out of the depth, London cannot force Scotland to remain in the UK, the supreme court just told us what we already know about the UK, Scotland is a colony of England and not a union of consent
voluntary union: provides a clear way for a member to leave said union . An example would be the EU and the way to leave is to invoke article 50 (basically saying "I want to leave") involuntary union: provides no clear way for a member to leave. An example would be the UK or the former USSR
She got the perfect result. Continue her grievance politics and gaslight the Scottish population away from the failing Scottish services and her encroaching totalitarianism.
I don't want Scotland to get a referendum vote because I'm not confident that we (england) would show no mercy. In an ideal world, if they voted for independence I'd want them crushed financially and obstructed in every way possible as retribution. Is that a nice thing to say? No. But it's the reality of being competitive as a country.
They are right it is not a 'voluntary union' GB is a country that is over 300 years old, - older than the USA, modern Germany, Italy, Ukraine, Norway etc. It had an industrial revolution, an empire, survived 2 world wars and has a seat on the UN Security Council.
Eh GB is not a country, it’s an amalgamation of countries , 3 absorbed or annexed by 1 , similar to Russia’s absorption or annexing of neighbours. See the similarity.
Sorry, but GB is short for Great Britain which is neither a country nor a nation, but simply the geographical term for the largest landmass of the British Isles. I happens to be inhabited by people in 3 POLITICAL divisions of that GEOGRAPHICAL landmass, being England, Wales and Scotland. I think it helps the discussions to use the right terminology.
@@bobinscotland wrong, check the Act of Union, they gave the new country the name of Great Britain, which was to be a united kingdom. Your passport makes this clear. It says the United Kingdom of GREAT BRITAIN & Northern Ireland, not the UK of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
I think we could argue that the UK, since its foundation in 1707 (the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the (United) Kingdom of Great Britain is the same thing), is administrated kind of like an empire. In this 21st century, the UK is dying like the Austro-Hungarian Empire before WW1.
@@soniajoshi2588 lol the English people would love to. Problem is 54% of them dont want it . The court is just trying to stop The SNP wasting government money on something the Scotish people dont want. t
lol 😂 yes you ask youre oppersor kindly to have a vote for freedom doesent sound like slave masters to me tye founding fathers of the US the Zulus and even the irish know you dont ask permission for a revolution
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
The eu have stated that Scotland have far too much debt and its growing by the day so they haven't a chance of rejoining the eu, the Scottish people should be very grateful to the supreme Court for stopping Scotland going bankrupt.
Pity the EU doesn't want them . They have enough economic basket cases already.! Without U K taxpayers money Scotland is bankrupt . Doesn't even have a currency !!
Yes, under Sturgeon the SNP will fight for independence and never achieve it forever. That way they will maximize their share of election votes. And anyone who actually wants independence will be branded transphobic or have bogus attempted raped charges leveled against them to silence them. And Sturgeon will be the darling of captured media.
The audacity of the English to keep the Scottish under a tight leash and then say that they need to stay together to help fix the problems they're facing? IF YOU HADN'T BREXITED THE ECONOMY WOULDN'T BE IN SUCH SHAMBLES XD
@@emm_arr If the power's in Westminster where they said "Mmm yeah you're not allowed to want independence from England" how am I lying? I never said what nationality the judges were nor does that actually matter as Westminster is who pays them
should let Scotland have a referendum and i expect people to vote to stay in the union. It's not the best time to have a referendum with the Ukraine war, energy crisis, and other economic issues, but people in Scotland have the right to decide.
Scotland has been self-governing for decades now. So if people are unhappy, why is the SNP not held responsible? And how will poor self-governance be improved by independence?
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
No they don't the leavers are just all voting for one policy. Half of the SNP is tories half lefties, they wouldn't last a month if they got independence
Sturgeon had been telling voters that they could vote SNP and it would not mean support for Independence, that is until she is in power, then supposedly they supported Separating. At least attempting to make the next Holyrood Election about separation is more honest, except, they cannot prove that all voters were thinking the same and they would actually be electing individual members, with all the plusses and minuses of those individual candidates.
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
@@patrickdoyle9369 she has no plan, it’s all bravado. She’s now a lame duck. Good riddance to one of the most divisive, dangerous politicians in Europe
I do think its time for a countrywide vote. I would vote they leave. They leave with nothing from London. No grants, no currency. No peoples pensions. Nothing. And no coming back.
The fact that the U.K government took Scotland out of the EU , against its wishes, will always be a sore point ..In 2014 , they threatened we would never get back into the EU, IF we left the UK.. People are not blind ..For better or worse Scotland needs to have the right to decide..
I mean it was very clear that we would be voting as a United Kingdom in the Brexit referendum. Not as individual nations. The problem is everyone is simplifying Scotland’s people and role within the UK. It really isn’t true that all Scottish independence voters want to be in the EU. In fact 1/3 of them voted Brexit…
@@chriskost7291 I still wouldn’t put it past them. Most Scot’s acknowledge that leaving the UK will cause a economic downturn for at least 5-10 years. I can’t imagine those people acting so differently with brexit
Scotland is limited to what it can do with the block grant given to it. Fighting over scraps falling off the table is not viable for Scotland any more.
Wheres the share of the 350m that we were told could go to NHS by leaving the EU. Oh that was a lie wasnt it. A lie that swayed many but yet in Scotland we unilatterally saw the benefit of the EU. Unlike the union, the benefit of staying is counter productive to Scotlands ambitions
Thanks for keeping the comments open, unlike ITV
Yes I agree 👍🏻
I agree
itv never opens it's comments, sorry to burst your sense of oppression.
@@John-pp9pcScotland England border should move south to River Kent River Tees🎉🎉
@@matpk er no just Scotland.
Scotland can leave the Union if it asks to do so. However, it is not allowed to ask. Got it.
its part of a union England cant just leave either
They been asked and given an answer already.. This woman has no respect or regard for her fellow countrymen..
@@rogerbenfield2789 Yes they can. They just need to vote in an independence candidate. They vote for the vast majority of MPs
@@gaz9957 they have to get 51% of the vote, last time the snp got 31% of the vote. no mandate no independence referendum its done.
Come off it, the Scottish people were asked 8 years ago if they wanted independence and they said no. Sturgeon then immediately set about trying to get another referendum because she can't accept reality. So let's say she got her wish, the UK spent another fortune it doesn't have on another referendum and it comes back the same no answer...guess what Sturgeon will do. Yep, start organising another referendum until she gets the result SHE wants, not the people of Scotland.
Do you think this is actually about Scotland for Sturgeon? Because it's not. This is about Sturgeon wanting to be able to say she's a world leader. An ego trip. Nothing more.
Perhaps she should move to a different country.
I laugh when I hear politicians saying that the issue of independence is not important compared to the other issues Scottish people face. This is not the case. If more than half the country thinks it doesn't belong in the Union, then this is the most important issue facing Scotland.
Also only a few years ago the same politicians were endlessly talking about how important democracy and our independence from the EU were. … doesn’t seem like a majority will for independence is so important now.
The snp have never had 50% of the vote as was pointed out to Krankie at the news conference yesterday, but she won't remember that...........
We had our vote. You are perpetuating a lie. Brave heart wasn't real, get a job.
"More than half" since when is 40-45% more than half? Lol..
See Nicola would be better off concentrating on important stuff like sorting Scotland's pathetic education system you have just demonstrated so well...
@@cw8867 I am Scottish, thankfully the majority are not idiots. Most of us love the UK and being part of a bigger family of people. We want life to be better for all. There are a jobless and selfish few who are a vocal minority. Rule Britannia and God save the King.
Imagine if the British government had to “seek permission”, from Brussels to hold the Brexit referendum…
The acts of Union 1707 require permission from all UK members for one to leave
@@TaySplatoon That doesn't sound like a voluntary union.
@@gerardflynn3899 they signed the paper
@@TaySplatoon Where does it say that?
@@gerardflynn3899 it isn’t, it’s an English Tory monopoly game. Brexit ensured the divergence of Scotland and England. That is what they wanted (Brexit) and they got it, but expect Scotland to accept it? Never will any sensible Scottish person accept the damage caused largely by racists and xenophobes in little England.
Instead of giving Scotland reasons to stay, they’ve just been told “No, now shut up”.
Scotland leaving is now all but guaranteed.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😋
@@barrytees988 Sorry, was this meant to communicate an opinion/idea or did your kid just get access to your account?
@@isolationnationn do's not sound like it. Sounds more like just saying. Maybe you should let your kids have access. Sounds like you struggle to get into yours.SAOR ALBA 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😋
Guaranteed? First we need an armed insurrection, and then foreign intervention. Now... how many countries in the world would reach out and promote the breaking up of the United Kingdom?
@@doc0core just about every country yous have ever set foot in lol
they are called the Scottish National party. They are 100% pro independence and always will be its not hard
The Scottish NASTY party !!
They keep winning elections too!
SNP are Nazis
@@squamd5777 because the EU is highly beneficial, look how the RoI interest's were defended against Tory pie in the sky, that everyone with a clue was going to fail
Yes. It's a shame they are only supported by less than 50 % of
Scottish voters .!
Imagine telling an abused spouse that they are forced to remain with their abuser.
Abuser ?? Have you not heard of the Barnet formula
????? What a load of brainless rubbish.
2014.
"Liberties aren't given, they are taken."
--Aldous Huxley
Let them go, they want to leave let them leave. That is self determination.
@@CRAIGT1971 if that is true then a referendum should be called and it would confirm your view on this.
@@VeeShenge we had one and said NO remember........🤔
@@David-qk7lc 2014 is a lifetime ago, almost 10 years. Since then a lot had changed including Brexit so the Calculus has changed.
@@VeeShenge Brexit has made it less likely people in Scotland would vote to leave the UK. If Scots wouldn't vote for independence when they would have remained in political union with the UK - they're not going to vote for independence to be out of political union with the UK.
@@Iazzaboyce okay if that is the case sure, let them have their say. 10 years is really a long time. Especially if the calls for independence have not stopped and they continue to vote for the party which supports and promotes indipendence. If you are sure the referendum should be fine then
This will not go away. We have the right to decide our own future.
As far as I'm concerned, Sturgeon is a seditious traitor who wants to break up the Union, Scotland has it's own laws, banks and government as well as the same monarch.
Let's not forget the SNP planned to collaborate with the Nazis during WW2 and were close to the Nazis in the 1930s.
Sturgeon must accept the 2014 result because she's behaving like an entitled spoilt brat throwing her dummy out because she did not get the result she wanted in 2014.
Look at Scotland under Sturgeon, it's become a hellhole where merely making a joke is an arrest offense.
I'm from England and I know my government are bad but Sturgeon, she's far worse than Sunak and Hunt and I pity the people of Scotland who have to live under Sturgeon's mismanagement, corruption and more authoritarian leaning government.
The Scots deserve better.
You’re right, we do have the right to decide our own future, but where were you when we voted on this? Do you forget that the people of Scotland voted against Independence? Much was made of the “once in a lifetime” vote, yet here we are again because some people have trouble loosing. We laugh at Trump but the similarities between Trump and Sturgeon are becoming more obvious by the day.
I don’t have any nasty feelings towards people who hold different political views, but I DO have issues with people who are trying to take away MY democratic vote that was legally cast in the referendum. I don’t personally always win, but I have the maturity to understand that this is life. I wish the SNP would show a little more of the same maturity.
You had your vote and you chose to to stay
You can’t just have a referendum vote when you feel like one. It impacts the economy enormously. Once in a life time time/ generation. That isn’t 8 years. The core happened. SNP need to focus on the shambles in the NHS and it’s cost of living crisis. Scotland would be left bankrupt.
You had it you clown, remember? a "once in a lifetime"vote
I hope the wishes of Scotish people are respected whether they choose to be part of the UK or to be an independent country. Scotland is a great nation.
All I read is where in the World the Scots live - It is rarely Scotland.
Will they All be rushing back IF Westminster is not involved 🤣🤣🤣
Never.Rebel rousers like sturgeon only thinks of herself and she wants supreme power to run Scotland. That hypocrital b**ch who bleated on about how bad Brexit was she wants the same thing, she wants to break the union and it will make us and Scotland poorer.
Message to my jock people,
SNP are bad, these bastards would commit civil war if needed be, or if they had the brains,
Better and stronger together as the UK,
God bless the King, and all British ethnicities that make us British throught background, religious beliefs, and his UK armed forces too.
For king and country, HM govt Armed forces and civil servants, and Churchill and Baroness Thatcher.
Nah fam, the UK is an a very bad financial situation right now and the last thing it needs is to divide itself in half.
They did vote. Scotland 🏴 chose to be part of the union
Imagine if England had to ask the rest of the UK for permission on an independence referendum.
Aye, then space ship lands . FFS
It literally would have to get permission from the UK government in the exact same way, you complete and utter 🤡🤡😂😂😂😂😂. England has never been allowed a referendum on independence, Scotland has... you got any more ignorant comments to post? 😂🤡
Very nice put! there'd be a spanner in the works for sure*
imagine asking for a referendum every 8 years and wasting tax payers money pushing it
@@Danzo1212Immagine to promise to Scotland to stay in the UK "union" because of EU and after few months you (England) broke that promise and decided for all UK to get out from EU!
There is only Democracy for England, isn't it!?!?!
Strange partnership, where only England is making decision .
England has no parliament and Scots made their decision 8 years ago polls regularly show only 1/3rd of Scots want another referendum.
Like any organization there has to be some sensible rules and yes it SHOULD be difficult to break apart . We have already seen how populist Nationalism and misinformation can lead a country down a clearly bad path with Brexit, it should be a lesson.
@@Battleneter And yet the only major division on Brexit, was the one between Scotland and England. Scotland wished to remain by some 62%.... where 53% of our neighbours voted for the exit.
@@Battleneter ok but it's an involuntary union if only one country gets to be more equal
@@Battleneter 2014 independence referendum was the lesson, hence Scotland voting 62% to remain in EU. We were ready for the tide of disinformation, though it wasnt as one sided as 2014.
I'm Scottish and sick of the SNP
Claire: nobody is perfect…🤷♂️
I'm scottish, and I'm pissed off being ruled by Tories.
i don't understand how you can block someone from a divorce if they don't want to be with you anymore which is the case here
Minority of the population want to control how the rest think. The MAJORITY of the people of Scotland do NOT want 'independence' if it's the kind being offered by the SNP - Leave UK and join the EU - complete ignorance of how the system works.
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don’t understand how she can cosy up to Sinn Fein , an organisation that applauded and condoned the murder of young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. It’s over . The dream is gone. Sturgeon will quit eventually or more likely be ousted. You’re assuming that the majority of Scot’s want independence. They don’t. Leaving aside the 2014 result (50-45) the polls are showing that support for the union is out in front. One poll carried out monthly by the Scotsman and using the same 2000 individuals, showed support for the union to be sitting at 60%. Now, do you not find that worrying considering, Brexit, Tory govt, Boris Johnson, partygate , cost of living crisis, Truss and the damage she did . It’s over. Let’s enjoy the moment and watch the leadership battle commence. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Feels like bunk for Tories and Labor to claim that Scotland had other issues to focus on as if those issues aren't inherently tied to being a member of the UK.
Education has collapsed thanks to the SNP
Why Scottish people’s fate is subjected to English ruling?
Because English PMs, for all matter and purpose, still consider Scotland as an English vassal state.
They always love to rule others but don't like to be ruled by someone.
You moan about being ruled by Westminster, we are all ruled by Westminster , I would say you are actually ruled by queen Nicola, so if you don’t like being ruled by a third party, then why do you want to join the EU, that’s not having independence is it.
The Act of Union of 1707 formed Great Britain by uniting the crowns of England and Scotland. Scotland had been deeply in debt, up to the point of facing national bankruptcy, and England bailed them out. The price of that bailout was Scottish independence. The Scottish people were subject to English rule from that day forward. If they want to leave the Union, Westminster must approve their leaving. Want to place a bet on whether or not that is going to happen? 😁
@@k.schmidt2740 wanna place a bet on how well the Scottish are going to accept that?
The short answer is that I'm not sure that they're particularly willing to be shackled by a 300 years old treaty.
Especially after being deceived by the unionists on the latest vote on independence, months before brexit
The last SNP manifesto stated seeking approval for a referendum. Scotland voted for it.
Yes and now approval has been deemed illegal. The SNP does not have the legal grounds to seek another referendum.
@@jotunheim5302 - Dissolve the Scottish parliament & base the election on Independence.
@@jotunheim5302 No approval means no legislative route to self-determination exists within the UK.
Your sentence should read: 'There is no legal grounds to seek a referendum'.
seems clear to me..
Engurland is the only country in the Disunited Kingdom that can leave!
I’ve got an idea, let the English have a vote on Scottish independence.
Yes. Guaranteed they would get their independence then !!
Dream on. It's up to the people of Scotland to decide, not England.
Yes, great idea, I like that. However, wouldn't that be a bit like letting the EU have a vote on Brexit?
@@MontyCantsin5 And they did
Your idea is FCUKUP, how about Wales, Northern Ireland and the mongrels have a vote on Scottish/Wales and mongrels independence?
Fight for freedom, stand with Scotland 🏴
Freedom to have open borders?
Scotland will have less 'freedom' if they leave. As will every other member of the Union. Pointless division
@@SeptemberSeventeenth it's the globalists agenda under the guise of nationalism
I know you like get railed by refugees but not us Kate
As a Scottish person I say "No"
I wish the British media had questioned the pro Brexit politicians as hard as they did Angus Robertson!!
They did!
That wasn't hard, he just found it hard.
Are you awake? The British media was absolutely sceptical of Brexit and thoroughly interrogated politicians over it.
hard lol SNP wouldn't know accountability if it smacked them in the face. The media never hold them accountable.
Yessss
When you are in a partnership, you should able to have the right as many times as you want to leave it
Well isn't that convenient for 45% of us
It would cause economic chaos for everyone
They think that Scottish people are stupid....
@@rossmcgowan123 freedom is privilege worth fighting for ......
Money can be earn....
It's gonna be a civil war lad.....
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@@rossmcgowan123 We are all ready in economic chaos! By being prisoners in this undemocratic union? . Wake up! Where have you been? england has been squandering billions of pounds, of tax payers money for years.
Selfishly as an Englishman, I would much rather Scotland stay part of our union. I love the Country!
However, I would not deny them their freedom from being ruled by the absolute shower of shite in Westminster.
And, I would also add that even though I’m not a massive fan of Sturgeon, she is still a miles better leader than anything the Tories have given us
You would still be welcomed to come and stay or visit Scotland anytime my friend. Just like I feel I could visit my work colleages down south.
Thanks mate, we don't feel that english politics reflect the direction we want. But come stay anytime.
Most of us in Scotland recognise the difference between the English people and the Westminster parliament. I've live for decades in England and know the Tories are hated by most further north than Birmingham. I just wish you can come with us!
All she does is lie and so do they. They're one in the same. SNP and the Torries need to go
@@rossmcgowan123 what’s she lying about in respect of independence?
Very good scotland, love from India. our govt. will give you recognition. Northern ireland should also join republic of ireland.
Bengal and Kashmir should become independent from India.
@@TransoceanicOutreach India has already divided by britain 70 years ago. there is no secessionist movement in bengal and J & K is part of india.
Thanks lad 👍🇮🇪🏴 🇮🇳
@@seankavanagh7625 We have a big army, India is big country, our defence capabilities are increasing, We have ballistic missiles entirely indeginious, we can help you very much. We like ireland.
@@sharadjain2463 Thank you but we've tried achieving complete independence by force in Ireland. It doesn't work. You have to win people's hearts and minds, guns and missiles can't do that.
hardly a defeat, more like a blessing for us scots (im pro-independence)
What's ur problem staying in the uk?
@@whiteknox477 england is the only country making decisions, with UK-wide votes and decisions Scotland, Wales and NI all lose their voice because of the population of England. We want to leave to express our voices and embrace democracy
@@jjbanders You have your own government. Independence would fail. Stop crying.
@@jjbanders actually England doesn’t have its own parliament we just have the primary parliament which deals with the UK. So we can’t express our voices since they’re busy dealing with other problems around the UK
@@jjbanders England does not have its own government, it just happens that the British government is stationed in England
If the powers of independence are held in Westminster, and not in the parliament of that nation, then these are not sovereign nations unified voluntarily whatsoever.
A decision that would dissolve the entire nation should lie with the entire country's parliament, i.e. the UK government.
And they were given a vote less than a decade ago. She's just desperate to drag Scotland back into the e.u even though Scottish people voted for brexit.
@@saltynutzz Scotland voted to stay in the EU. By 62% infact.
@@nooie2 but that just over half. The fact of the matter is they are part of the uk and 62 % of Scotland don't make up a majority. Nicola just wants to cut and run because she hates the British people.
We already had an Independence vote . We voted No. Every opinion poll since shows it is still No.
Most people here don't even want
another referendum . So get your facts right and don't be fooled by
SNP fake news about Democracy !!
8 years ago there was no Brexit in view !!!!
Yes there was the EU referendum was announced in 2013, also had scotland voted yes they would have got brexit years before the rest of us.
Fight on Scotland!
It is not worth fighting over
ha ha, you absolute clown
No
Don't worry, Scotland. If you declared independence tomorrow, and asked the European Union and the United States for recognition, you would get our and their support.
So, you don't need permission from Westminster. You have a Parliament, you have a government.
You're not Catalonia, and the UK is not Spain. You can do this. We've got your back on this one.
I doubt this very much.
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Recognition perhaps but support?…. Doubtful.
"Don't need permission from Westminster?" Most certainly Scotland does. It wants to be respected in the World and be a good international partner when it becomes independent, so it certainly does not want to achieve independence in an unlawful manner.
Shut it slap heed
Said it before: if you need to ask the partner parliament of your voluntary union if it is allowed to question your own people if they want to remain in this union then why did GB not have to ask the EU Parliament if it is ok to hold a Brexit referendum - just saying
The hypocrisy of Brexit-supporting British Nationalists is damning. Shame on them.
Because Britain is one nation, and the EU is a union of very separate and very distinct nations. It's not complicated. Rather simple, in fact.
It's like there is a whole breed of rabid scot nats that don't understand what the devolved government actually is. It didn't break up Britain in to different countries, and it was never meant to. It was meant to ensure that the things that most needed funding and attention would be addressed if national policy meant that other things were being prioritised because that's what Cornwall (say) needed. In much the same way that the mayoral system that was introduced to the UK didn't create city states. Sadly, ever since the SNP has taken power, all the really important things have suffered (things like education, social mobility, life expectancy and other metrics that detail whether a country is succeeding or not), with Scotland falling behind the rest of the UK. Probably because a one policy party has hijacked the devolved government to do something it was never intended to do, and they have little to no interest in things like improving life for their constituents.
Seriously - go look at the statistics of where Scotland ranked compared to other parts of the UK before SNP seized hold, to the years after. It's awful.
Yes, you're ignorant. So, I'll help you.
The act of Union was willingly signed onto by the Scottish parliament in perpetuity. As your clearly not very intelligent, that means forever. No 'backsys'.
It devolved the power of state to Westminster. So, ONLY Westminster could decide on a referendum. It really was that simple and nippy knew it.
So, it was Westminster that allowed the last referendum as a once in a lifetime referendum and all the political parties signed on to that.
The SNP lost.
Whereas, the EU had provision for exit.
It's really that simple.
@@jackdubz4247 your ignorance should embarrass you.
How many times do they want a referendum on the issue? They had one and reneged on the promise to adhere to the decision. Another EU/Remoaner ploy to keep voting until the correct decision is made?
As a Kurd I would give my life for independence chance of Kurdistan. It is hard for me to understand Scotish people but yeah different geographies and different situations.
@@michaelhoodleeder No Scotland did not voluntarily join the Union of Great Britain, it was forced to Join by King James 1st of England who had before becoming King of England and Scotland King James 6th of Scotland, he formed the Union to stop the Scottish Clans killing them selves and the Union of Scotland and England was sighnd on one day and the Union of England and Scotland was sighnd the next day, this was about 400 years ago. Scotland would be the lame duck of Europe on it's own as the majority of money used for Scottish public services comes from the UK Government, millions of pounds in what is called the Barnett Formular and England has nothing to do with it as England is a country with no Government being run by large county councils, it is the UK Government that runs the country. The decision was decided by the UK Supreme Court that only the UK Government in Westminster governs the UK and can decide if any part of the UK can have independence.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 What are you smoking Peter? Your fiction qualities give you an excellent chance of getting a job on GB News.
@@TheGullyfoyleBefore going on about a load of rubbish, try googling the History of the Union between England and Scotland of 1707, it was not voluntary it was made to happen to stop infighting f the Scottish Clans and yes GB News is very good at getting to the point
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Google is not the Grail Peter, GB news is a platform for minority views, somewhere for third rate TV personalities to get their kicks.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 u mean Scot land is emerged by England from some perspective？
"The division, the debate separated families and communities, when we should be focused on working together." That's rich coming from a conversative, given they're so good at doing anything but sewing these divisive seeds of hate, anger and fear. Pitching people against whoever they need people to hate to serve their agenda, and cling on to power.
@@michaelhoodleeder form an economic bloc with the commonwealth that’s the solution
#ScottishIndependenceReferendumNow
They said that last time - will they want ANOTHER referendum should the next one not give them the result they want? Never ending referendums until Krankie gets the result she wants?
We already had it and it was "No" Get over it.
Stand with the Scottish people! Fight for freedom!
The SNP doesn't want to " free " us. They want to control us, Hard borders, draconian laws, a divided hate-filled society, passports, and visas, to roam our Islands free of the suffocating yoke of the SNP. keep us FREE from the SNP!
Paint your face blue
you muppet.
You want independence and yet you want to join the EU ? Do you really know what independence is?
Oh about no
How ironic...Tony Blairs supreme Court rejects Tony Blairs devolved Scottish government..
You just couldn't make it up.
We support the independence of Scotland. You got the home of Scottish people during the centuries.
Trouble is Scotland can not legally become Independent unless the UK Government, the Government of the United Kingdom which by the way is made up of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland will allow it, this decision was decided on by the highest court in the UK, The UK Supreme Court and backed up by the Scottish Advocate Court the equivalent in Scotland.
You want independence to only be a small player in the EU? Makes no sense at all.
UK told Scotland to stay in UK so that they could remain strong in Europe, then foisted Brexit upon us, so I think we deserve another vote
So obvious, I hope we would be able soon to welcome you back in the common European house out of the shackles of Westminster.
I support another referendum so Nicola Snakeurgeon can be shut forever and get forced to quit politics! As without Scottish independence promises then Nicola will be find out how Scotland is screwed economically and socially!!!
@Victory will be Ukrainian. and what oil will ve replaced in the future scotland without uk would be. Shithole just like it was before the union
@Victory will be Ukrainian. hahhahaa sure that belong to the uk scotland wont get inpendnece and UK will rejoin eu
As a Chinese of Hong Kong, I support Scotland independent.
ccp
As Scottish person, I Don't support independence.
I suppose a referendum should be held every 2 years in order to make us feel good about confirming our belief in democracy.
Every 1 year would be better. That's cauld democracy in action.
@@williammacdiarmid6395 are you guys buffoons are just being sarcastic?
Wayyyyyyy too short of time
Good idea how about asking the EU emperors if they'd promote that as well.
Chances are slim to zilch.
Every weekend, a week is a long time.
A legitimate referendum must be participated by all the citizens in UK.
@Victory will be Ukrainian. The separatists in Eastern Ukraine have voted to leave successfully in the referendum. Why the western countries do not recognise the result of the referendum, even Russia has recognised it?
sure, in the same way that the ERG Group would have been totally fine that the remaining EU member states got a vote on Brexit as well. Yep, that would have totally been accepted...
Lin: Huh ??? Are you nuts ?
@@franciscouderq1100 In exactly the way that the whole of China gets to decide whether Tibet, Turkestan or Taiwan are to be part of China.
@@faithlesshound5621 and Hong Kong
Labour is dead in Scotland. That ship has sailed. They're all dieing off.
Labour is dead nationwide, people realised they're useless.
No way you just spelt dying as "dieing"....
Ship has sailed? *Sturgeon can't even get a ferry to float* LOL!!!
It isn’t a ‘Union’ if one of the parties is held against their will.
True, but that's not the case in the UK whatsoever.
...and how is this true for the UK? Do you not remember 2014? One woman and her cabal has an obsession and who is frequently in the media. This does not equate to the whole of Scotland wanting out.
@@DaBIONICLEFan isn't the idea of consent that it has to be given throughout
@@DaBIONICLEFan: In case it had bypassed you, the Scottish independence movement is far bigger than just Sturgeon or the SNP.
@@MontyCantsin5 Where? Polls are largely the same as in 2014, i.e. independence is a minority view. Most Scots do not even want another referendum anytime soon, check the latest polling.
Independence is never granted, it is taken, if Scotland wants to be independent of the UK it should declare it self so, write a Scottish Declaration of Independence, and a Constitution, and put it to the Scottish People to Vote on. The First step is to write the Documents, the second is to Repudiate the UK Court system, and Parliament, one can not be half a Revolutionary, you either are, or your are not.
Scotland has its own Court system, its own Parliament, it’s own Church, it’s not even a common law jurisdiction. Some colony Ever heard of an “english colony” that wasn’t common law?
exactly and that's where we are at, if no democratic path exists we are left with UDI and violence, such a shame.
Well, the Soviet Union tried to keep the Baltic states back in their Union too. But if people really want to be free , no court in the World can stop them...
People like you don't listen, we don't want independence as we stated in 2014 what's so hard to understand !!!
@@bobbaxter1356 you lied to stop Independence where is the guaranteed EU citizenship that was promised, the majority now supports Independence after being taken out of the EU after we voted 62% to remain in the EU
@@bobbaxter1356 Well, it's been nearly nine years since then, it's a long time in any human's life. Many of today's citizens were not allowed to vote back in 2014.
A Labour Government with some sensible policies, an end to culture wars and a return to growth, would hole Sturgeon below the waterline and she knows it, which is why she's making a last desperate stand now. She knew she would lose this but it's a means of whipping up a bigger sulk. Scotland had it's "once in a Generation vote" and the SNP leadership agreed not to call for another for that time. No country can have continual Ref's until the side whaling separation gets the result it wants. It's divisive and disruptive to commerce. The border and currency issues would be terrible.
Yes but.....we're victims ..! We're under the English yoke .!! ....Freedom etc, blah, blah...
@@NA-gf1zy totally agree
@@NA-gf1zy Only thing I'd disagree with is that she is moving the goalposts when she is told no... She moves the goalposts when she is told yes, but she then misses.
@@NA-gf1zy They are delusional and unreal too.
As a Canadian I hope Scotland stays a part of the UK, mostly cause of the tragedy that Scotland leaving will cause on the British flag lol
F the flag, independence for Scotland 🏴
@@New-ye2fl bye then
Another milestone in an abusive relationship. Well done guys.
What abusive relationship, when the UK Government gives Scotland millions of Pounds in handouts.
Sturgeon doesn’t know the meaning of the word Democracy PERIOD
A reason more to push even stronger for independence
By Law they can not become independent
@@peterwilliamallen1063 By some laws in the not so distant past, slaves were the property of their master.
Laws can and should be broken, if they are WRONG. Those who make change unlawful, will see their 'laws' changed, peacefully or otherwise.
@@doom8082 What has this got to do with the fact that the UK supreme court reused Scottish independence and who are the slaves you are referring too, who are the masters, and do you actually know that the British Government was the first Country to abolish Slavery.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 If you are denied the right to independence/self determination, you are by definition a slave.
It's wonderful that it abolished slavery decades after benefiting from it. So progressive of them.
But apparently being slave-drivers is in their blood, UK continues to enslave the people who they 'govern' by denying their most fundamental rights.
In the words of Brexiteers..when will the will of the people be respected? Scotland wants to be free from unelected bureaucrats in Westminster, free to control their own destiny?
Who are you to speak for all of Scotland? Think I'll refer to the actual democratic results like in 2014 when it was a no.
there already was a referendum
Yea before the 2016 referendum when Scotland voted more convincingly to remain in the EU. Stop saying 2014, I voted Blair in 97, that's means nothing today. Oh and do you care to address the part of the 2014 vote where David Cameron said voting to leave would mean losing out on the European Union?
I hope they don't go but if they want to then so be it. All I would say is be careful what you wish for.
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan
and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
You mean like brexit
@@1967deek Brexit is being free, independent and self governing, so yes just like brexit. That is until Scotland realises what everyone already knows that the eu is not a trade bloc but a federal project in which Scotland would be a rule taker and tax payer.
@@knightswhosayni funny enough Scotland in EU could decide for itself if it want to be in it and when they want to be out of it (article 50 anyone? UK didn't had to ask EU for permission to trigger it.)
Have a go can't be any worse
Nicola Sturgeon is another Sally Albright: she wants to leave the UK but she wants to keep Sterling. And now she wants to join Europe, but she doesn't want the Euro...
I don't think even Clark Kent could satisfy this lady!
When did Sterling become English ?
Thought that we were a “United” and “Equal” partnership, or us that just the pretext for keeping Scotland shackled to its English master !!
The SNP will now throw/waste even more money (public money) to pursue a referendum.
It would be money well spent.
So the should SFU and accept that Scotland vote have no value ? That this is a forced Union where Scotland can vote whatever they want and it is fine that England force them to go they other way ?!? How this denial is helping the Union to thrive ? How this denial is helping people to trust in Westminster and think this is a democracy ? Doubts I got ... as a green guy would say.
@@noelpucarua2843 Magic SNP Money spent like the following:
• £20m on PretendyRef
• £5m renovating two tower blocks
• £100m to rent/staff two cruise ships
• £9m on foreign offices
•£15m on prisoner wages
• £3m on mobile phones for prisoners
• £1.5m on an election campaign
• £6.1m spent on radio advertising during pandemic
• £424m spent on locum doctors
• £18m annually on MSP expenses
• £116m annually to run Holyrood
• £30m on Holyrood repairs
• £450,000 paid to Stonewall
• £23m on repairs to the empty Sick Kids Hospital
• £7m on ministerial chauffeur-driven cars
• £1.3m on ministerial car trips
• £1.2m on electric cars for Holyrood staff
• £25m for 2,000 car charging points in Aberdeen
• £30m on a Low Carbon Transport Loan scheme
•£500,000 on a failed national energy company
• £110m on two ferries (sitting in dry dock unfinished)
• f40m on the Rangers case
• £52m on Bi-Fab
• £586m on Lochaber Smelter
•£178m on failed Agricultural IT system
• £745m on the A90 (original forecast was £395m)
• £30m on failed energy company investment
•£10bn on failed Chinese consortium deal
• £20m on electric police cars (with no charge points)
@@Mike-gd4zd All this happened while Scotland is still a part of the UK.
The UK isn't working, as your list shows.
@@noelpucarua2843 Are you stupid or trolling? All of that money was wasted by the Scottish government. Westminster had nothing to do with those decisions.
I would love to see England turn round to the other 3 countries in the Union and say........ "WE ARE GOING TO BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY". "NOW P#SS OFF"... (From a Scot.)
Maybe England should insist on having it's own Parliament - and build one, using British taxpayers' money - and overspend that money by millions?
They wouldn’t do that though would they?
@@johnmckay2058 one of the reasons for the UK being so against Scottish independence is precisely because it opens the door for England to exist again. No potlical entity will ever voluntarily allow itself to be weakened.
@@arlenemacphie6633- England has a parliament it's called Westminster. Please Please P*** off.
i think you'll find that was called brexit...
Good luck Scotland🤞🏻👏✌
Good luck Scotland make it better for yourself love you all especially celtic supporters they are akin and the same as us Liverpool supporters.
Don't give up you still have friends. Don't give up you arn't beaten yet. Don't give up we know that you'll make it good !
@@thomscott1247 3 cheers for Scotland
Utter Madness it would be like having Texas as in independant country inside the USA. There is always strength in being a big Nation
@@John-pp9pc gypos
Robust and high quality debate with good engagement, well reported channel 4
She keeps referring to herself as 'Scotland'. Yeah but she never consults anybody but herself.
@@PorthLlwyd In 2013 Police Scotland was made a National Force to discourage nepotism. In 2019 the Fife Constabulary Chief, Garry McEwan had retired after his father occupied the same post for the previous lifetime term. But how had they changed the force after 2013 to be more national in its staff structures? NOT AT ALL, Garry's brother Derek had stepped into the top job as soon as Garry retired and had even married a young police chief to keep their hands on power long into the future! What does Nicola care for beyond her salary and job security? Not much.
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@alexandercrump2298 - I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am finding the adult political debate to be refreshing. Be grateful this debate is not going down the path of an out-of-control juvenile tantrum for which law enforcement would not hold the perpetrators of violence accountable. Rule of law and democratic debate are superior to chaos and anarchy that results from the over-throw of a Constitutional democracy.
Nowadays in the USA if the radical extremist political party disagrees with you, they don't offer rational counter points. They call you a NAZI, and then have the local television news record their anonymous black-clad assassins firebombing your house for broadcast on the evening news program while they announce that they are fighting for truth and social justice against your monumental evil that is trying to kidnap their babies to eat them as a satanic ritual. The psychotic extremists take the "straw man" fallacy to the extreme for their counter point because it gets them attention in the news.
It's friggin' insanity here as leadership has recently taken a long vacation at one of their many beach-front, gated mansions made possible by the "modest" compensation of public servants which they suddenly acquired after taking public office (note: extremists have never held a real job in the private sector). We can't even take the problem to the FBI as they have now assumed the role of the NKVD by pursuing political opponents with false accusations, a bag full of fabricated evidence, and Stalinist zeal.
Look on the bright side and count your blessings. Then come out fighting for adult democratic debate above all political issues.
I'm English and living in for the last twenty years,and I'm noticing a lot more yes voter's than the was last time round! I'm even thinking of voting yes myself if the chance comes again.
That’s the generated hated of sturgeon taking shape.
The only way to be free free Scottish must go to war for they independent for they freedom ..England is scamming Scotland end Northern Ireland cause Scotland has oil,gas fish 🎣 etc ,,northern Ireland has cheap slaves makin ships food etc for English..it’s fuking independent now or never… war is decision to clear it out
Without doubt, even here in Edinburgh the difference is very noticeable.
@@alfredbatchelor1954 nah that's just because England made a bunch of false promises vows and commitments but never delivered any of which they said would come with brexit like full devo max 9 million for the NHS Scotland can keep its EU rights if it votes to remain part of the UK Scotland can get this and that but got nothing of which was promised
@@jamesmiller9363 your spreading hatred about English, not much better then the IRA, or Putin really, I don’t need to listen or read from people who are very narrow minded.
I'm just a foreigner looking in from the outside, but wouldn't the financial situation for working people and families be better if Scotland was a separate country and a member of the EU? Isn't part of the reason that the U.K. is doing worse than it's European neighbors is that they are now paying more for imports, etc. due to Brexit? They are in effect an island in both the literal and figurative sense. As to a vote for Scottish independence...wasn't the last one a vote by all U.K. citizens? Well of course it failed. It makes no sense to me that an independence vote would be conducted outside of Scotland. The Scottish people should be only ones voting...but what do I know, I'm just as foreigner from a democratic country. I see this as a set up against the Scottish people and their ability to access democracy completely.
Lost another doo Nichola, get over it.
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The bright day of freedom is dawning for Scotland.
Long live Scotland, free and proud!
@Jolly Roger Mr Blackface isn’t too keen on it, and then there’s Australia Corbyn… and Indian Anthony Blair…
This is how violence starts guys, when legitimate political avenues are closed off.
Nope. Stow your veiled threats.
What are you implying with this statement, pogroms of English people living in Scotland?
@@DrumToTheBassWoop The OP is trying to make violence sound reasonable.
Eff him.
So if you can’t get your way legally then it’s violence?
@@emm_arr I worry they take it out on resident Scots that pay Scottish taxes and live here, just because we're not from Scotland.
If your plan for independence is for your economy to be propped up by the tax payer of the place you just got independence from, and for the place you just got independence from to continue supplying military defense, you don't have independence, you just become a dependency. The SNP's plan is to take Scotland from being a country to being on the same level as Guernsey. I hope Scotland one day becomes independent, but not with the SNP.
" Democracy " a l'Anglaise!
Independence would likely be the end of the SNP. Scotland could finally get back to some real political choice.
@@StozySco "Scotland could finally get back to some real political choice."
You'd need to reform the voting system.
@@emm_arr The voting system is already eons ahead of the FPTP system found @ Westminster. It's pretty confounding that the SNP return so favourably under the D'Hondt system, when the whole premise is that it's fairer with respect to the balance of political power. Perhaps you should consider why that is......... *hint*.... Unanswered constitutional question?
I am equal within the UK as a Scottish citizen ?
No !
I am an unequal citizen of the “United Kingdom”, a political prisoner of an Undemocratic United Kingdom, led by the English governing London, there by numbers alone, not equal representation
The Majority of the Judges were not English, and included people from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
so when did England have a referndum
Yep, even if you think your English but your not, schools police social services all fake all against certain individuals. Using certain tactical methods in cultural destruction separation of truth.
so you didnt vote in 2014 then, the referndum that you never honoured.
Bro everyone outside of the south feels that way yet alone Welsh Nth. Irish Scots things need to change Scotland isn’t alone in that don’t blame that on all English also forgetting Scottish population in England the whole voting system needs to change
-only 40% of the Uk voted Tory And yet that have a huge majority
-libdems got 3.6 million votes and 11 seats across Uk
-SNP got 1.2 million 48 seats just which is only 20% of Scottish population
These stats don’t make sense independence isn’t the answer REAL representation is
Uk heading south after Brexit have become a laughing stock globally with the revolving door of PM's, I can see what Scotland want out and to rejoin the European Union.
We can’t rejoin the EU
You can rejoin the EU. But you must adopt the Euro currency and reduce your national debt by years of austerity and tax increases.
@@ynwa3476 1.Spain won’t let us
2. Exactly, it will take years to reduce the deficit from 10% to the require 3%
3. Can think of nothing worse then the flawed Euro
@@ynwa3476 If they go that route, I think we need to build a huge wall over the border to stop them moving to England and shitting this country up as well. There's already enough problems down here!
You cannot block self determination. It will only express itself in other ways. Also, the UK made it a point that being part of the EU was a strong reason to vote to remain in the UK. Not two years later that promise was broken with the brexit vote. Scotland most definitely deserves a second vote on this premise alone...
Rubbish, the court ruled scotland is not being ruled, not a colony. And during the scottish referendum the SNP made it very clear that the rest of the Uk could leave the EU. It's ironic you claim being a colony and want freedom only to want to join the EU
@Louis . They can't have one as the court as ruled. They lost the last one and polls show no favour for independence
@Maxxxie Lorenzo That's funny, yiu are sounding a lot like Germany in 1936 mate. Kinda funny how you can claim to be a colony like Kosovo 😂
You can’t just have a referendum until you get what you want. That’s not democracy. And this isn’t blocking self determination, if that were the case then France, Germany, Spain, USA, and Italy are not democracies because they explicitly forbid secession unlike UK.
What is wrong with the last referendum?
You expect anti democratic behavior from the Tories but Labour should be ashamed to ignoring the democratic mandate given by the Scottish people, Red Tartan Tories indeed
Less than 50% of scots voted for SNP in 2021. By those figures remain would win again so there's no mandate
The only anti-democrats here are the SNP. They are the ones that want to quite literally ignore the democratic laws of the UK.
Also, ftr, the amount of Scots who want a second referendum are in a minority according to all the polls.
English Constituonlists would dissolve the Union and save the English Taxpayers £50 billion pounds per year. We would also abolish the abomination that is the Supreme Court and create an English-only Parliament and restore fully English Constitutional Law which is what the oath system is based on.
Spoken like a true colonialist,watch this space we will be gone from your grip in no time.
I see you believe what the msm tells you about Westminster "data"
We are British Taxpayers.🇬🇧
@@jamescopland5898 Marxist filth
Guess were not free and not a democracy then.
Respect the 2014/2016 referendum votes or destroy your credibility on referendums in the future, just like Trump.
So we're not a democracy because we actually have laws and courts in place to stop politicians doing things like holding illegitimate referenda? Makes perfect sense
@@DaBIONICLEFan the courts upholding laws is fantastic. Its the laws that need to change. Many people over history have lived under opression by law. Lawfully genocided, Lawfully lobotimised. The law is not a nuetral code. It is not decided what the law should be neutrally. And just becuse the law is the way it is, doesn't mean it should stay that way.
If the courts had found in favor of the proposition that holyrood could have an advisory referendum then a referendum wouldnt have been lawful. Since they ruled that an advisory referndum would not be lawful the SNP aren't doing it. Its not the ruling that prevented an illegal referendum, it was the SNP'd desire to abide by the law that prevented an illigal referendum.
Just a note: Legitamancy and legality are not one and the same.
The blocking of a referendum by westminster is legal becuse it is codified. Its not however legitamate if we hold the first principle of democracy higher and believe in iy more than a particular constitutional arrangement.
Before I die. Scotlands will be free
the people of scotland voted to stay in the uk so why does she not respect the vote it’s all about her needs to sort out schools and nhs instead of using tax payers money on indy again when we have already voted to stay plus she is taking work away from the working man !! no new power stations in scotland she will have us all cycling bikes in our front room for power next !!! it’s all about nicola she watches braveheart to often
That was an undeniably different time. That was before we were dragged out of the EU against our will
She is a Communist therefore the will of the people is irrelevant. She wants to be a 'real' politician and sit at the 'high table' with other 'real' politicians. The alternative is a life of indifference and play-acting at politics.
@@craigarmit7882 I don't recall anyone objecting to the process that it would be a UK vote and NOT a Street by Street vote. Bit it seems remoaners still haven't gotten over that example of basic Democracy at work - MAJORITY DECISION.
The problem Sturgeon has is now the answer is no from The Supreme Court, is she can't carry on blaming Westminster and will have to start funding Scotland as it should be funded. On a positive note, she had £20 million pounds she rammed down her knickers for Independence she can use. Personally, I would have an audit on the way she has used the funds.
An audit of her knickers?
That's not all the money she's concealed. NI contributions, budget money, furlough money, carers bonuses, even money from their own donors - mysteriously gone.
Sorry ...but the thought of Sturgeon producing something out of her knickers .....I think I'm going to throw up....
Corrupt is the word and there's a lot of it going on everywhere at the moment
That poor 20mil will never be the same again 😢 its bad enough looking at hur face 😬 saying that all the shite seems to come out hur mouth.
Can Sturgeon not accept no for an answer? The Scots had their chance to vote independence in 2014 and voted no. She just needs to accept it and move on rather than fight a futile battle. She has clearly watched Braveheart way too many times.
Scotland will be free , it’s the Scottish people that want independence and the SNP are voted in to do that
By dragging SCO out of the EU against their will how can you expect people to be still fine with England's choice ? This is a forced Union with no Article 50. This is a Union where only the vote of English counts. The rest must follow them...
Well, old crankey is the pipe piper, her people are going to follow her to ruins. No central bank, no army, probably relying on EU to accept Scotland into the EU club. She'd be surprised if the EU reject Scotland, because Scotland has NOTHING to bring to the table. It'd be mother of all embarrassment to the Scottish people.
@@LeThelittleOnesComeToMe Sure, so if you are that sure it will be a disaster, why are you denying Scotland a say. Scotland should have had the same right to block Brexit, because they were sure it would be chaos... is it ? 🤣 UK is just a forced Union ...
@@neilwildgoose7459 You can't keep asking for a replay when the result doesn't suit you. Instead, concentrate on hospital waiting list, fixing the roads, living within our means, concentrate on the cost of living, rising council tax, tackling the drug problem. Get our house in order beforehand. Meanwhile, I will enjoy or FREE university tuition FREE prescription, FREE eyecare, FREE bus travel, FREE baby boxes, FREE eldercare, FREE School meals.
No, we are not a "voluntary organisation of nations" - we are one country, one British nation.
The wee krankie's delusion continues !
racists never win, neither do colonists and traitors
As per usual, denial of the will of individual citizens of Scotland by the Labour & Conservative parties, who tag everything as “SNP” when my vote and my will, is to be Independent of the English governing parties, both Labour & Conservative, living in an Independent Scotland, where any party can canvas for votes, in our own elections, to rule as a sovereign and independent Scottish nation.
I am a businessman with over 100 people working for me and I believe in a strong and stable independent Scotland and I will fight tooth & nail for that independence
It's such a pity you can't just leave the UK right now !!! At least we won't have to here you all moaning on and on and on.
The opinion polls are split equally on any given day.So what happens to the rest of the Scots who don't want to leave ? Your not really bothered are you truth be told you just want independence.
I voted no as did most of the population. Seems like we don't matter.
@@chrisdude9641 I take it you live in Scotland I'm across the border in Carlisle.
The way things are portrayed to everyone not in Scotland is that you all want to have your independence.Which if it's true I don't think anyone should stop.It seems that all the people who voted to stay with the other three nations have been forgotten about by Sturgeon.
@@mauricetrotter6010 It's a very divisive topic that appeals to any one regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. The SNP are still popular but they are also very unpopular. Very divisive. I'm of the opinion that the SNP's pursuit of 'independence' is a smokescreen deflecting their failures in government. The other parties are not much better. The SNP are an existential threat to our way of life. It's vital to protect our financial system and also our freedoms, the Hate Bill Act is one of the Draconian pieces of legislation Scotland has ever had. They don't care about the economy. It's ideology. Just like another nationalist socialist party.
@@mauricetrotter6010 we really don't.
when it comes to Scotland the English media are so out of the depth, London cannot force Scotland to remain in the UK, the supreme court just told us what we already know about the UK, Scotland is a colony of England and not a union of consent
The 'English media' is out of it's depth with just about everything, so not really a good example here. 😁
If Scotland has independence and no money comes from the UK you're tax bill's will hurt
@@sidneybell64 Works for the other 195 independent Countries
voluntary union: provides a clear way for a member to leave said union . An example would be the EU and the way to leave is to invoke article 50 (basically saying "I want to leave")
involuntary union: provides no clear way for a member to leave. An example would be the UK or the former USSR
As an Eastern European, let me tell ya, I've been seeing parallels for a while now.
@@TheHestya Thanks. So I am not the only one. I am from Germany, BTW
She doesn't want independence though. She doesn't want Westminster to decide Scottish law, she wants Brussels to do that.
She got the perfect result. Continue her grievance politics and gaslight the Scottish population away from the failing Scottish services and her encroaching totalitarianism.
Can you name a law that's changed since we left?
I don't want Scotland to get a referendum vote because I'm not confident that we (england) would show no mercy. In an ideal world, if they voted for independence I'd want them crushed financially and obstructed in every way possible as retribution. Is that a nice thing to say? No. But it's the reality of being competitive as a country.
Imagine if we needed permission from the 27 other EU states for a referendum…. Double standards
Go back to sleep?
They are right it is not a 'voluntary union' GB is a country that is over 300 years old, - older than the USA, modern Germany, Italy, Ukraine, Norway etc. It had an industrial revolution, an empire, survived 2 world wars and has a seat on the UN Security Council.
Eh GB is not a country, it’s an amalgamation of countries , 3 absorbed or annexed by 1 , similar to Russia’s absorption or annexing of neighbours. See the similarity.
@@karl9411 GB is a country check the text of the Act of union.
Sorry, but GB is short for Great Britain which is neither a country nor a nation, but simply the geographical term for the largest landmass of the British Isles. I happens to be inhabited by people in 3 POLITICAL divisions of that GEOGRAPHICAL landmass, being England, Wales and Scotland. I think it helps the discussions to use the right terminology.
@@bobinscotland wrong, check the Act of Union, they gave the new country the name of Great Britain, which was to be a united kingdom. Your passport makes this clear. It says the United Kingdom of GREAT BRITAIN & Northern Ireland, not the UK of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
I think we could argue that the UK, since its foundation in 1707 (the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the (United) Kingdom of Great Britain is the same thing), is administrated kind of like an empire. In this 21st century, the UK is dying like the Austro-Hungarian Empire before WW1.
Ancient Scots proverb: It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than go to the Supreme Court and confirm it
UK govt version.. keep your mouth shut, by order.
Nicola knew what she was doing , it was a trap and the UK walked right into it
You must be English if you don’t understand what Nicola has done
Just give them independence u cheaters
Independence is inevitable.
@@soniajoshi2588 lol the English people would love to. Problem is 54% of them dont want it . The court is just trying to stop The SNP wasting government money on something the Scotish people dont want. t
Revolution. Revolution revolution.
lol 😂 yes you ask youre oppersor kindly to have a vote for freedom doesent sound like slave masters to me tye founding fathers of the US the Zulus and even the irish know you dont ask permission for a revolution
careful what you wish for... revolutions have a track record of ending up different to how the revolutionaries intended
@@sqwalnoc why should so many bow to so few???
@@ashleyoasis7948 I am Irish lolol 🤣
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan
and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
The Scottish wants to go back to EU.
The eu have stated that Scotland have far too much debt and its growing by the day so they haven't a chance of rejoining the eu, the Scottish people should be very grateful to the supreme Court for stopping Scotland going bankrupt.
She is backed into a corner with nowhere to go.its a case of sour grapes, bye bye Jimmy krankie you are no more.
She looks absolutely demoralized.
And I thought the Irish were thick.
Pity the EU doesn't want them .
They have enough economic basket cases already.! Without U K taxpayers money Scotland is bankrupt . Doesn't even have a currency !!
What a pity, but this is not the end...
Yes, under Sturgeon the SNP will fight for independence and never achieve it forever. That way they will maximize their share of election votes. And anyone who actually wants independence will be branded transphobic or have bogus attempted raped charges leveled against them to silence them. And Sturgeon will be the darling of captured media.
Yes it is. There is nothing more that can be done
Give it a rest already. She and the SNP are using indyref2 as a distraction from their crappy leadership and endless scandals.
The audacity of the English to keep the Scottish under a tight leash and then say that they need to stay together to help fix the problems they're facing? IF YOU HADN'T BREXITED THE ECONOMY WOULDN'T BE IN SUCH SHAMBLES XD
Most the Judges were NOT English. They were a mixture of Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish.
@@Themanyfacesofego The OP os oit to misrepresent. Nationalists have no cause without deceit.
@@emm_arr If the power's in Westminster where they said "Mmm yeah you're not allowed to want independence from England" how am I lying? I never said what nationality the judges were nor does that actually matter as Westminster is who pays them
@@Themanyfacesofego Every one a Lord.
@@ChrisVillagomez "The audacity of the English to keep the Scottish under a tight leash"
^^misrepresent
should let Scotland have a referendum and i expect people to vote to stay in the union. It's not the best time to have a referendum with the Ukraine war, energy crisis, and other economic issues, but people in Scotland have the right to decide.
What's in it for Scotland to stay? The UK is over. It's time for everyone to move on.
England's law has had its chips today good bye.!
That's the thing about life there will always be other issues if you put everything on hold for other issues you get nowhere
We're not going anywhere mate 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Scotland has been self-governing for decades now. So if people are unhappy, why is the SNP not held responsible? And how will poor self-governance be improved by independence?
Hardly, Westminster control the purse, control the funds and you control everything.
I hope not sooner Sturgeon goes the better
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan
and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
No they don't the leavers are just all voting for one policy. Half of the SNP is tories half lefties, they wouldn't last a month if they got independence
No we don't. Most of us hate that tyrant. She hates democracy. We voted no back in 2014. Horrible woman.
I hope the traitors leave scotland then we can be free form British rule.
Sturgeon for treason
Sturgeon had been telling voters that they could vote SNP and it would not mean support for Independence, that is until she is in power, then supposedly they supported Separating. At least attempting to make the next Holyrood Election about separation is more honest, except, they cannot prove that all voters were thinking the same and they would actually be electing individual members, with all the plusses and minuses of those individual candidates.
Totally agree
She can pay for the scotish army navy and airforce, she can pay for the taxation for up keep of schools road infrastructure, power supplies gas, electric. she and the scots can pay for dental care and hospitals... and benefits for the sick , and for prescriptions. I Hope she has a good plan, she will need it.. BUT GUESS SHE HASN'T. SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF. She has no idea or plan
and the scots being stupid for the most part will end up paying for it all.. Actually i'll be glad to see you all go, and then i won't have to pay as much tax to keep all this running. But remember when you're gone you cannot re-join us and come back..
@@patrickdoyle9369 she has no plan, it’s all bravado. She’s now a lame duck. Good riddance to one of the most divisive, dangerous politicians in Europe
Well SNP has campaigned for independence since it came into existence. If you didn't pick that up before voting then you probably have brain damage.
I do think its time for a countrywide vote. I would vote they leave. They leave with nothing from London. No grants, no currency. No peoples pensions. Nothing. And no coming back.
Hear hear!
we are happy with that, go tell your MP. please
Scotland must get independent now
No.
Why not ?
The fact that the U.K government took Scotland out of the EU , against its wishes, will always be a sore point ..In 2014 , they threatened we would never get back into the EU, IF we left the UK.. People are not blind ..For better or worse Scotland needs to have the right to decide..
I mean it was very clear that we would be voting as a United Kingdom in the Brexit referendum. Not as individual nations. The problem is everyone is simplifying Scotland’s people and role within the UK. It really isn’t true that all Scottish independence voters want to be in the EU. In fact 1/3 of them voted Brexit…
@@NorthSon Only 1/3 for brexit and before the brexit catastrophe...Imagine now!!😅
@@chriskost7291 I still wouldn’t put it past them. Most Scot’s acknowledge that leaving the UK will cause a economic downturn for at least 5-10 years. I can’t imagine those people acting so differently with brexit
Or they could say give us either a second eu referendum or a second independence referendum.
Sturgeon is obsessed and happy to throw money that can be used for NHS or schools and more including transport
That was tories used to say to win Brexit! And look how uk is now lol! Never been worst
Scotland is limited to what it can do with the block grant given to it. Fighting over scraps falling off the table is not viable for Scotland any more.
Wheres the share of the 350m that we were told could go to NHS by leaving the EU. Oh that was a lie wasnt it. A lie that swayed many but yet in Scotland we unilatterally saw the benefit of the EU. Unlike the union, the benefit of staying is counter productive to Scotlands ambitions
Liars . traitors and thieves, thats the British state, always has been always will be, read any history you will see that.
@@michaelhoodleeder But she wants to Pay The EU monthly payments, in return for handouts.
Thank you Lord, prayers answered! May God have mercy on the UK.
Keep Scotland and England united. Pherhaps this will silence this Wicked woman!
…this is certainly a reaction 😂
It’s not a union between Scotland and England.
SCOTLAND WILL BE FREE
@@Morning404 Scots have been in chains for centuries - usually to fellow Scots.
@@emm_arr FREE SCOTLAND FROM DECLINING ENGLAND
Greetings to all Scottish people from a fellow Quebec independentist!
The majority of eligible Scottish voters 75%, did not vote for "independence" silly sad crankie has failed she must go.............
Scotland and England are both developed countries, it only makes us stronger when two strong are United.