Could you imagine how different Allan’s career would’ve been of he’d been booked on the regular to massive venues like this one - it’s actually pretty awesome and hilarious to think about - these are the crowd sizes his work deserved
to all of you bad mouthing holdsworth for ANY reason...who cares what you think...he is a genius,wipes the floor with EVERYONE else at this festival and I'm sure made a nice chunk of cash for a change at this event. BRAVO ALLAN WE LOVE YOU
I saw Holdsworth 6 times. 1st with Ian Carr's Nucleus in 1979. In the time it takes most players take to decide & play the next note, he'd decided & played the next scale or sequence of notes. But it wasn't just scales, it was musical. Superhuman. One of times times i saw him, 1985 i think it was, he starts on the syntax id never seen before & played most of atavacron album a little before it was released. I remember thinking how it was so original he was like a genius from another planet
What a beautiful moment. It doesn't matter if its Kurt's and Allan's best or worst performance, its not a sport, its music. this is what Aaron Parks had to say about it:"Allan Holdsworth joined us for the second tune,and after a small delay due to some technical difficulties,he launched into a mind-expanding solo guitar intro, which led into an epic version of Gamma Band. Yes, epic. The word is overused, but in this case it seems appropriate. Kurt and Allan together was mayhem, in the best way"
I have been a fan of AH for over 20 years. It's SO strange to think that so many people have never heard of him. His music is such a part of my life. It's like saying you have never heard of Bugs Bunny...
Thanks hugely for posting this! Gone too soon big Al. Beyond belief, AH at a huge festival show, and the crowd clearly is for the most part, confused. Allan was so far beyond most the musicians I hear, it’s frankly, obscene. What a gorgeous sound, tone.
Thanks for sharing. It's obvious the audience had no idea what was happening. We need more of these kind of couplings and maybe it will help spread the word about jazz.
Thank you so much for posting this! Wish I could have been there, but this is the next best thing. I hope Holdsworth and Rosenwinkel gained some new fans last night.
I love the awkward silence from the crowd, at the beginning of the tune,,when allan is playing alone.... These people or at least 85% of the people there,, have never heard allan or that kind of guitar playing like that before ,,, I hope they open the minds and relize what a musical genius he is... and not just want the 3 cord blues riffs all night
its so sad that holdsworth has gone down this road with his playin, he used to be a total bliss a master of something total innovative, and open a new approch to harmony that really blew my mind. A unhuman improviser without limits, that a sill listen to and think how is that possible! , 89-93 i think he had his golden days and that period should every one have a look at that ever felt doubts about his playing! I think it will take a few hundreds of years until we have another one like Allan!
I think he played amazingly well on that Live at Yoshi's DVD. He's blowing like a horn on that with the keyboards to back him. He's never been better as an improvisor than on that DVD. I haven't listened to the CD "Blues for Tony," with the same group.
That's the kind of thinking that relegated jazz to smaller audiences. Miles played in thousand of different venues even headlining for rock bands to find how his music was received by other kinds of public. I think that Kurt was right in accepting this invitation (sure he appreciated it) at the end jazz is music and good music in history has found the way of being universal. why you say this is an absurd venue? they're not sharing the stage with Justin Bieber or britney spears
Hi Yellin i am a pm fan for 40 years (&AH)Kurt is the next generation of jazz guitar and has amazing technique and compositional talents Pat is ,in fact, a result of Berklee in the 70's. Lot's of input there and he ran with it.Check it out and you'll have a bunch of new favorites too. Good luck with your research
Kurt plays & improvises harmony on the guitar that Pat can't get close to. But it's not a question of better. Nobody can take Pat's amazing lyricism away from him, or all the beautiful songs that he wrote, everything he's done. Kurt is just different, you seem to think that Kurt is Pat Junior and that is not true at all - Kurt is aiming for a very different stylistic territory than Pat does, even if there are some similarities.
i feel like allan was hesitant during his solo.. maybe the rig problems? it'd be interesting to see what this band could do given some more time. love all the players!
There were some reports AH's rig was silent for 10 minutes? Is that true at all? It might have SEEMED like it was 10 minutes in front of a crowd that big.
Yeah the tech was messing with it for a few minutes and Allan was messing around with the pedals and like andrews said, when he started we weren't sure if he was still testing it out or going into the number.
First, I was referring to some of the ruder comments here (who's better etc.) not at yours. And Second I thought it would give a nice perspective to know how the piano player in the band felt about it. It has nothing to do with my opinion. Anyways, thanks, for this "polite" answer. You seem to have it all figured out. ..
i agree that thinking kurt is "a better player than" pat is not a useful mindset. but neither is thinking/stating the opposite, which is what you do in your post. i also agree w/ you that pat paved the way for many modern guitarists in many respects, and i'm sure that kurt would agree w/ you there. but saying that pat is the "originator of that whole sound and style" that kurt is putting out shows me that you don't hear the significant developments in kurt's music. keep listening man...
Wait... These two guitarists at a festival like that. They needed a crowd with more people who are into their playing. Jeez it looks like most of the crowd was not into Kurt or Allan, they were just their to see Clapton and others weren't they
Yep, agree. All you guys whining that Holdsworth needs larger recognition. Here it is, and it's terrible. The hoi polloi get to see jazz on a giant screen in a context so alien to this type of music. If it weren't for the mass appeal of palatable, non-confronting music, 99% of people would not be watching this, It's like a freak show for some oddity. We aleady know that public-approved jazz is a generification, and it sucks.
Maybe non-fans would like him if he mostly played mediocre jazz-rock, & only went into full AH-mode for a few seconds at the end of a tune. Some people can't digest all this music:^)
It's hard to admit it, but I agree with you. Over the past 2 years, Allan sounds like he's been in a slump and although I'm hoping that a breakthrough will occur one day, I'm starting to believe that he's past his prime as well.
Clapton selected Holdsworth about nine years too late. He's so awkward and licks-based now. Plus he's ill-suited to these type of gigs, not being the extrovert. I suggest you visit the early-90's, chronically under-viewed Holdsworth videos, floating around on you tube; when his 20 year old set list was new, his improv was truly astounding and he didn't play with that lifeless Donati.
Hey Yellen, don't know how you get to talk about time-feel and say Kurt's is that of a "talented student". That's just laughable. Kurt definitely owes some influence to Pat, as does most guitarists in jazz coming after Pat, but Kurt is probably even more influenced by Coltrane, Bud Powell and even Holdsworth, and his music is much more directly rooted in Bebop than Pat's is. And there's nothing at all about Kurt that says "student".
I disagree. His place is in obscurity. He just doesn't come across well in events like this, which are for light-hearted entertainment. I might add that he's not the same player as he used to be.
yeah so it seems , mabye its the ageing and as time goes by the hands get stiffer and for a man with a lifetime with unbeliveble technique you end upp with a lack of expression, or hard to make it come through. I know he`s mention it in clinics but dont want to talk about it. Very sad if thats the case
The thought of someone thinking of Rosenwinkel being a superior player to Metheny is such ridiculous mindbending concept I can't wrap my head around it. If there was no Metheny, there would be no Rosenwinkel. Metheny is the originator of that whole sound and style and does it better and with infinityx more elegance and authenticity than any of the zillions who have followed in his wake. Kurt is a great player but in no way in Metheny's - or Holdsworth's - league for originality or musicality.
Not just Jimi & Alan. Guitar virtuosos abound these days. Plenty guys can 'cut' Clapton, but chops aren't what Eric's all about, especially after 1970. Even back in the day, I saw Rory Gallagher leave Eric in the dust at a show-closlng jam at a Blind Faith gig. I have the impression that EC isn't competitive, & lays back in duels. In the great Alan Holdsworth's case, it's different music. I doubt that he could play a convincing blues tune without embellishing it into something else entirely.
Anyone who's heard a few minutes of Allans music would realize that if he actually WANTED to he could play a convincing blues tune, but why would he want to take steps backwards? it would go against Allan's nature as a musician and the whole style he developed, what would be far more unrealistic is imaging Clapton play a convincing jazz fusion tune! ha
As noted, Metheny never went to Berklee, he was a teacher there at age 19 and was a teacher for a year before that at age 18 at the Univ. of Miami. Not that it matters. Rosenwinkel is a fine player, but in no way an innovator. Metheny has changed the instrument 4 or 5 times running, but again, let's say that doesn't matter. Metheny's masterul time feel that puts him in a category that has included just a few guitarists. Rosenwinkel has always sounded like a talented student to me in this area.
Could you imagine how different Allan’s career would’ve been of he’d been booked on the regular to massive venues like this one - it’s actually pretty awesome and hilarious to think about - these are the crowd sizes his work deserved
when people from a different planet come to earth it is understandable that most earthlings uhm ... prefer the tried and true :)
to all of you bad mouthing holdsworth for ANY reason...who cares what you think...he is a genius,wipes the floor with EVERYONE else at this festival and I'm sure made a nice chunk of cash for a change at this event.
BRAVO ALLAN WE LOVE YOU
My brother! I SO feel that. Thank you.
I saw Holdsworth 6 times. 1st with Ian Carr's Nucleus in 1979. In the time it takes most players take to decide & play the next note, he'd decided & played the next scale or sequence of notes. But it wasn't just scales, it was musical. Superhuman. One of times times i saw him, 1985 i think it was, he starts on the syntax id never seen before & played most of atavacron album a little before it was released. I remember thinking how it was so original he was like a genius from another planet
What a beautiful moment. It doesn't matter if its Kurt's and Allan's best or worst performance, its not a sport, its music. this is what Aaron Parks had to say about it:"Allan Holdsworth joined us for the second tune,and after a small delay due to some technical difficulties,he launched into a mind-expanding solo guitar intro, which led into an epic version of Gamma Band. Yes, epic. The word is overused, but in this case it seems appropriate. Kurt and Allan together was mayhem, in the best way"
Great perspective. Cheers!
So sad they didn’t record an album together….Amazing musicians 🎸🎸
That would have been absolute DOPE!
The crowd is in the desert and Holdsworth is representing the Promised Land.
Allan had the courage to explore his unknown music worlds regardless of the hardships that would result. For that we should all be grateful.
I have been a fan of AH for over 20 years. It's SO strange to think that so many people have never heard of him. His music is such a part of my life. It's like saying you have never heard of Bugs Bunny...
Beautifully stated, my experience as well.
Boy that huge tone floating around that giant space in the intro
Wasn’t that remarkable! What a sound!
Kurt and Allan at the same stage... Lord have mercy indeed!!
It is interesting you say that, my guitar instructor is dead serious when he talks about Allan. "Holdsworth is way way ahead of his time"
Matt F He basically was an influence on a lot of Metal guitar players and thats a fact. A lot newer metal out there is pretty Jazzy.
You should probably keep that guitar teacher.
Alan in a slump still leaves 99.9% of the rest eating his dust.
Holdsworth belongs everywhere...
Allans incredible tone on this live recording is so beautiful
Thanks hugely for posting this! Gone too soon big Al. Beyond belief, AH at a huge festival show, and the crowd clearly is for the most part, confused. Allan was so far beyond most the musicians I hear, it’s frankly, obscene.
What a gorgeous sound, tone.
That is Obed Calvaire indeed! And Reuben Rogers on bass, Pete Rende on Hammond B3/Wurlitzer, Aaron Parks on piano.
Thanks for sharing. It's obvious the audience had no idea what was happening. We need more of these kind of couplings and maybe it will help spread the word about jazz.
Thank you so much for posting this! Wish I could have been there, but this is the next best thing. I hope Holdsworth and Rosenwinkel gained some new fans last night.
That crowd probably never heard anything like what Allan plays at the Intro!-Great Stuff....
Allan rules!!
ALLAN ON THE BIG SCREEN SO AWESOME !!!!!
I love the awkward silence from the crowd, at the beginning of the tune,,when allan is playing alone.... These people or at least 85% of the people there,, have never heard allan or that kind of guitar playing like that before ,,, I hope they open the minds and relize what a musical genius he is... and not just want the 3 cord blues riffs all night
its so sad that holdsworth has gone down this road with his playin, he used to be a total bliss a master of something total innovative, and open a new approch to harmony that really blew my mind. A unhuman improviser without limits, that a sill listen to and think how is that possible! , 89-93 i think he had his golden days and that period should every one have a look at that ever felt doubts about his playing! I think it will take a few hundreds of years until we have another one like Allan!
Great - cant wait for the official video..good that Allan has got some exposure
there are few guitarplayers who dare to go on stage with alan.Kurt does a great job,and i hope to see alan on stage with scott henderson ,some day
The clip we've all been waiting for!
I think he played amazingly well on that Live at Yoshi's DVD. He's blowing like a horn on that with the keyboards to back him. He's never been better as an improvisor than on that DVD. I haven't listened to the CD "Blues for Tony," with the same group.
this was really nice and enjoyable , thanks for sharing .
what a wonderful stage. kurt and allan stage
it's called Gamma Band, the first tune on Kurt's new album: Star of Jupiter.
Thank you so much for the vid,, put more on please
Very cool. Can't wait for the DVD.
Thxs Andrew 👍deeply thxs !!!
That's the kind of thinking that relegated jazz to smaller audiences. Miles played in thousand of different venues even headlining for rock bands to find how his music was received by other kinds of public. I think that Kurt was right in accepting this invitation (sure he appreciated it) at the end jazz is music and good music in history has found the way of being universal. why you say this is an absurd venue? they're not sharing the stage with Justin Bieber or britney spears
It hurts to see people arguing about my two favourite guitarists :(
Thank you Andrew !!!!!
Hi Yellin i am a pm fan for 40 years (&AH)Kurt is the next generation of jazz guitar and has amazing technique and compositional talents Pat is ,in fact, a result of Berklee in the 70's. Lot's of input there and he ran with it.Check it out and you'll have a bunch of new favorites too. Good luck with your research
Alien Holdsworth
gamma band; first song of the latest kurt rosenwinkel record
Yes, Kurt is outstanding but I would not go that far.
I think Allan is improvising over a very complicated harmony and he did not have the time to rehearse it , so take it as it is.
Kurt plays & improvises harmony on the guitar that Pat can't get close to. But it's not a question of better. Nobody can take Pat's amazing lyricism away from him, or all the beautiful songs that he wrote, everything he's done. Kurt is just different, you seem to think that Kurt is Pat Junior and that is not true at all - Kurt is aiming for a very different stylistic territory than Pat does, even if there are some similarities.
And this didn’t make it to the dvd why?? Haha
I wish the audio and video were better quality....this is a special situation....
Allans solo sounds like shreds
We don't have the full experience of this number because of the less-than-optimal sound quality.
i feel like allan was hesitant during his solo.. maybe the rig problems? it'd be interesting to see what this band could do given some more time. love all the players!
got the same sense, not sure if he knew the changes, it is Kurt's composition afterall, so naturally he would show no hesitiation.
Pity Allan not invited to solo on 'White room' :)
which tune is this one? awesome by the way.
YEAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
Wish I could have been there! Was this the only song Allan played? Thanks for the post!
There were some reports AH's rig was silent for 10 minutes? Is that true at all? It might have SEEMED like it was 10 minutes in front of a crowd that big.
nice! sounds like more distortion than Holdsworth usually uses.
unfortunate this is their only recording. Wish they played more together before allan passed
Yeah the tech was messing with it for a few minutes and Allan was messing around with the pedals and like andrews said, when he started we weren't sure if he was still testing it out or going into the number.
Yet here I am
First, I was referring to some of the ruder comments here (who's better etc.) not at yours. And Second I thought it would give a nice perspective to know how the piano player in the band felt about it. It has nothing to do with my opinion. Anyways, thanks, for this "polite" answer. You seem to have it all figured out. ..
i agree that thinking kurt is "a better player than" pat is not a useful mindset. but neither is thinking/stating the opposite, which is what you do in your post. i also agree w/ you that pat paved the way for many modern guitarists in many respects, and i'm sure that kurt would agree w/ you there. but saying that pat is the "originator of that whole sound and style" that kurt is putting out shows me that you don't hear the significant developments in kurt's music. keep listening man...
Wow, what's the name of this song?
99.9% sure that is Obed Calvaire on drums...Am absolute monster! and friend from the 305!
WTF......was this being filmed from outside the stadium???
NOOOO! I have disappointed Jeff!!
Wait... These two guitarists at a festival like that. They needed a crowd with more people who are into their playing. Jeez it looks like most of the crowd was not into Kurt or Allan, they were just their to see Clapton and others weren't they
I don't see your point. The room is packed and people seem to listen.
@@mangolassi_. .
I bet the shredders went "WTF" at the 5:45 mark.
lol most of these guys here are over 60 and thats a good thing
Yep, agree.
All you guys whining that Holdsworth needs larger recognition. Here it is, and it's terrible.
The hoi polloi get to see jazz on a giant screen in a context so alien to this type of music.
If it weren't for the mass appeal of palatable, non-confronting music, 99% of people would not be watching this, It's like a freak show for some oddity.
We aleady know that public-approved jazz is a generification, and it sucks.
Kurt is burning!
missed you at the azzolina-session Andrew!
Maybe non-fans would like him if he mostly played mediocre jazz-rock, & only went into full AH-mode for a few seconds at the end of a tune. Some people can't digest all this music:^)
It's hard to admit it, but I agree with you. Over the past 2 years, Allan sounds like he's been in a slump and although I'm hoping that a breakthrough will occur one day, I'm starting to believe that he's past his prime as well.
Kurt Rosenwinkel is a monster..
well that's unnecessarily mean ain't it?
Clapton selected Holdsworth about nine years too late. He's so awkward and licks-based now. Plus he's ill-suited to these type of gigs, not being the extrovert.
I suggest you visit the early-90's, chronically under-viewed Holdsworth videos, floating around on you tube; when his 20 year old set list was new, his improv was truly astounding and he didn't play with that lifeless Donati.
yes, 90s holdsworth with that Delap guitar was his best era(Hunt,wackerman, carpenter), his peak, his playing was incredible.
Hey Yellen, don't know how you get to talk about time-feel and say Kurt's is that of a "talented student". That's just laughable. Kurt definitely owes some influence to Pat, as does most guitarists in jazz coming after Pat, but Kurt is probably even more influenced by Coltrane, Bud Powell and even Holdsworth, and his music is much more directly rooted in Bebop than Pat's is. And there's nothing at all about Kurt that says "student".
What?
Horrific presence
Not right at all what you say.
Too Bad they couldn’t do any of Allans stuff the other guitarist was smart to avoid not trying
I disagree. His place is in obscurity. He just doesn't come across well in events like this, which are for light-hearted entertainment.
I might add that he's not the same player as he used to be.
what a wanker! Piss off
yeah so it seems , mabye its the ageing and as time goes by the hands get stiffer and for a man with a lifetime with unbeliveble technique you end upp with a lack of expression, or hard to make it come through. I know he`s mention it in clinics but dont want to talk about it. Very sad if thats the case
how can you expect Allan to shine over this meh/blah going on here?
yeah real random tune! and perhaps too 'latin'-esque for allan's style, that's my own personal opinion tho
Holdsworth doesn't belong here.
That's a compliment
Too many idiots can't understand slightly more complex music.
would love to see holdsworth at a G3, playing his awesome lines over hendrix tunes, ha.
That'd be great. I'm sure he could come up with some amazing chord voicings for Rocking in the Free World.
The thought of someone thinking of Rosenwinkel being a superior player to Metheny is such ridiculous mindbending concept I can't wrap my head around it. If there was no Metheny, there would be no Rosenwinkel. Metheny is the originator of that whole sound and style and does it better and with infinityx more elegance and authenticity than any of the zillions who have followed in his wake. Kurt is a great player but in no way in Metheny's - or Holdsworth's - league for originality or musicality.
Not just Jimi & Alan. Guitar virtuosos abound these days. Plenty guys can 'cut' Clapton, but chops aren't what Eric's all about, especially after 1970. Even back in the day, I saw Rory Gallagher leave Eric in the dust at a show-closlng jam at a Blind Faith gig. I have the impression that EC isn't competitive, & lays back in duels. In the great Alan Holdsworth's case, it's different music. I doubt that he could play a convincing blues tune without embellishing it into something else entirely.
Anyone who's heard a few minutes of Allans music would realize that if he actually WANTED to he could play a convincing blues tune, but why would he want to take steps backwards? it would go against Allan's nature as a musician and the whole style he developed, what would be far more unrealistic is imaging Clapton play a convincing jazz fusion tune! ha
phew, finally someone appreciates clapton
@@UroboricNate I've heard him try. The feel's not convincing.
Nate Beltran Clapton plays changes as good as any jazzer when he wants to
@@georgeeldridge7954 Example?
As noted, Metheny never went to Berklee, he was a teacher there at age 19 and was a teacher for a year before that at age 18 at the Univ. of Miami. Not that it matters. Rosenwinkel is a fine player, but in no way an innovator. Metheny has changed the instrument 4 or 5 times running, but again, let's say that doesn't matter. Metheny's masterul time feel that puts him in a category that has included just a few guitarists. Rosenwinkel has always sounded like a talented student to me in this area.
holdsworth over thought everything
Move over Holdsworth. It's Rosenwinkel's time.
Kurt plays better than Metheny would on Rhoids.