Thanks Joe, I also like that the diameter and length of the SRT rope is smaller. And really there's no way to quantify how much FUN SRT is. My vote is for SRT but DRT is a great way to get started!! Thanks to you and Scotty, I'm doing both although I really prefer SRT.
Very specific stuff. When using different style fishing reels some work better with braided & others with mono. Depending on the situation. So true that it isn't hitting the crotch but the crotch & nothing else with the throwball with DRT. Presets r vital & i would never spend the time in September that i will in March & April. Happy Easter guys.
You guys are killing it! Thanks again. By the way, that throw line cube is the bomb. Makes handling the throw line way easier. It can blow around easily in the wind but I’ve learned the hard way to wait for calm days to pre set paracord loops.
Joe theres 2 other advantages that need to be mentioned using srt. 1 is that you dont need 75ft of rope if you are primarily canopy hitching. Infact I'm down to a 35ft minimalist length of predator. And 2nd. I can girth hitch trees using dead limbs and sucker branches and hunting height where that is a death sentence with drt. Another pro to drt however is retrieving your line at the end of your hunt. Sometimes that canopy hitch can get hung up with srt. Great videos as always.
Just learned you can substitute a figure 8 rappelling device, I have a rescue type, for the GriGri, or , hook up through the large hole and use the small end as the lever, silent... hooked up to bridge tight when climbing, ready to descend, check it out
Have you ever tried a hitch climber pulley with DRT? I love mine and probably will never go back to a Blake’s hitch. If you have an adjustable bridge you can lengthen it and just pull down on the hitch climber,it basically self tends. Then to descend you shorten your bridge for a more comfortable hand position on the way down. Another huge benefit is that you can just unhook and re-hook to traverse limbs without having to re-tie your knot. The prusic chord is replaceable so you don’t have to worry as much about cooking your Blake’s hitch. And they are super smooth. I think it’s awesome that your teaching both how to get started on the cheap and where you can take it as people accumulate some gear. It’s fun to climb all year long it can be it’s own hobby out of season.
Yes I’ve used them in the past. With all the new gear out today. It makes climbing a breeze. I used a Zig Zag for yrs. friggin loved that thing. But in a hunting application. All I need is a Blake’s hitch. It’s proven , quiet , safe. It hasn’t let me down for the past 35 yrs .
Great content 👍, I have both setups. I would like to see a video on staying set up with the grigri as your tether and how safe it is , I saw a guy used a Paracord prussic above his grigri and clipped to his bridge carbiner for backup in case he got slack in the rope and the grigri slipped at all . Any input on this would be appreciated.
You mention the use of a Hand Ascender and Foot Loop with your DRT setup, but I have not seen that in any of your videos. Unless I missed it. Can you show this setup and demonstrate it's use? Or point me to where it is? Thank you.
When I first tried DRT I couldn't figure it out. Then all of a sudden I got it and zipped right up the tree. I'll probably stay DRT since i normally only climb to 20 feet anyway.
Yes once you get the timing and understand the mechanical advantage and get that coordination it really is easy. I always say if it's hard, your not doing it right
I'm in the same boat w/ the GriGri2. As Joe mentioned, it's only rated up to 11mm rope, and the Sampson Predator is 11.4mm [ maybe the GriGri 1 or GriGri+ has different specs ]. As a rock climber, I'm guessing that the max-mm-rating has to do more with paying out rope while lead climbing, but I haven't contacted Petzel to confirm. Additionally the Petzel ID ( or Rig maybe ) is a locking device, so with a GriGri, you might want to tie in safety knots below the grigri every 10 feet or so. The guys that I know that work at height for a living ( route setters, window washers, ... ) use the ID or Rig ( but not the grigri ).
Joe/Scott, Can you guys explain your presets, are they continuous loops of paracord? How do you attach your ropes to them? I saw a video for SRT using a preset where it looked like Joe used an alpine butterfly not but it was unclear how he was able to feed the one end of the rope thru the loop using the preset paracord. Looking for some clarification Thanks Keep up the great work it's incredibly helpful 👍
How do you address the friction associated with the moving rope aspect of DRT? Do you use a friction saver, for example? I worry about the branch doing a number to my rope with a DRT/MRS approach. Seems like a pro of the Stationary Rope System/SRT is not having to deal with friction.
I tried a leather friction saver hunting and it made a creeking sound every time I moved. If you use a quality climbing rope it will last a long time without a friction saver.
@@NYSaddleHunter Thanks. Just ordered the gen 2 srt system from WesSpur and the Flatbranch Solitude. With your code of course. Thanks for the content. Plenty of trees here in SW Arkansas. And plenty of whitetail.
The more branches it adds more friction so it make it harder to move the rope over the limbs. This is one of the benefits of SRT , it doesn't matter how many branches you go over theres no friction because the rope is stationary
We carry 75 for both DRT and SRT. Reason being if the only limb is above 30 ‘. We have enough rope to make it work with a midline alpine butterfly, base hitch or real high canopy hitch. We could carry less rope and use paracord for retrieval but its only 4 lbs and gives us more options
I tell you what,.......The last thing you want, when climbing SRT, is to get hit with hand & finger cramps, when half way up!!!! I almost got stuck in a tree, because I couldn’t get my hands to function. Was forced to leave my ascender on my rope, in order to get down. Took me almost 30 minutes to make the transfer to my safety 8, with my fingers becoming inoperable, & repel back down. Didn’t see that one coming!!!!! 😬😬😬 May have to invest in a gree gree!
@@NYSaddleHunter Cold, dehydrated, fatigued, 🤷♂️ I was using the ascender, & about half way up, or around 12 feet up, it began. First one finger curled up tight, I forced it strait, & as soon as I attempted to use it again, bam, spasm hit again, then another, then the other hand, when I attempted to use it in its place. It was obvious to me quickly, I was headed for trouble, & needed to get out of there ASAP! By the time I got home, cramps on the inside thigh muscles. My helium saddle had slid up too, causing strain on my inner thighs, & the longer I hung there the more distressed I was feeling. I could tell I was headed for trouble quickly due to that, & needed down ASAP. Not at all the fault of the method, just in poor shape I guess. I was able to get my lineman’s line hooked up, so I could get weight of my locking clip, & then worked on switching over to my safety 8, to then repel back down, what usually took seconds to accomplish, took close to 30 minutes, due to inoperable hands & fatigue. Once on the ground, I abandoned everything I had with me at the base of the tree, unable to deal with it, because my hands no longer worked. I made a successful recovery of all my gear the next day, still sore from the previous day. Had to use my climbing sticks to recover my ascender, with help of ratchet straps I got for the task, to get around the 30” tree trunk, then was able to pull my line down with the paracord I had tied to the loop, keeping my paracord in my spot, which was extremely difficult to access, due to the presence of thick limb cover, from red cedar, & buckthorn. Accessing that spot, was a workout!!!!! I only previously had time, to cut a shooting lane, & no more, before hunting that spot, so had to do my throw line that morning. Possibly what caused a lot of that fatigue?
@@NYSaddleHunter It is possible, because I hadn't had much to drink that morning, not wanting to have to pee in the cold. 😬 At 18°F I was also wearing thin gloves, forgetting my hand warmers, so cold could have also been a factor? Bow hunting, I wasn't prepared for that kind of cold of gun season!
Thanks Joe, I also like that the diameter and length of the SRT rope is smaller. And really there's no way to quantify how much FUN SRT is. My vote is for SRT but DRT is a great way to get started!! Thanks to you and Scotty, I'm doing both although I really prefer SRT.
Very specific stuff. When using different style fishing reels some work better with braided & others with mono. Depending on the situation. So true that it isn't hitting the crotch but the crotch & nothing else with the throwball with DRT. Presets r vital & i would never spend the time in September that i will in March & April. Happy Easter guys.
You guys are killing it!
Thanks again.
By the way, that throw line cube is the bomb. Makes handling the throw line way easier. It can blow around easily in the wind but I’ve learned the hard way to wait for calm days to pre set paracord loops.
Thanks Paul Happy Easter brother!
Joe theres 2 other advantages that need to be mentioned using srt. 1 is that you dont need 75ft of rope if you are primarily canopy hitching. Infact I'm down to a 35ft minimalist length of predator. And 2nd. I can girth hitch trees using dead limbs and sucker branches and hunting height where that is a death sentence with drt. Another pro to drt however is retrieving your line at the end of your hunt. Sometimes that canopy hitch can get hung up with srt. Great videos as always.
Happy Easter guys. I use both systems,but find drt is my go to. It's what I learned on thanks to you guys. Stay safe up and out there.👍🇺🇲🇨🇦🦌👍
Just learned you can substitute a figure 8 rappelling device, I have a rescue type, for the GriGri, or , hook up through the large hole and use the small end as the lever, silent... hooked up to bridge tight when climbing, ready to descend, check it out
Have you ever tried a hitch climber pulley with DRT? I love mine and probably will never go back to a Blake’s hitch. If you have an adjustable bridge you can lengthen it and just pull down on the hitch climber,it basically self tends. Then to descend you shorten your bridge for a more comfortable hand position on the way down. Another huge benefit is that you can just unhook and re-hook to traverse limbs without having to re-tie your knot. The prusic chord is replaceable so you don’t have to worry as much about cooking your Blake’s hitch. And they are super smooth. I think it’s awesome that your teaching both how to get started on the cheap and where you can take it as people accumulate some gear. It’s fun to climb all year long it can be it’s own hobby out of season.
Yes I’ve used them in the past. With all the new gear out today. It makes climbing a breeze. I used a Zig Zag for yrs. friggin loved that thing. But in a hunting application. All I need is a Blake’s hitch. It’s proven , quiet , safe. It hasn’t let me down for the past 35 yrs .
Keep the great videos coming.
Thanks Andrew
Great content 👍, I have both setups. I would like to see a video on staying set up with the grigri as your tether and how safe it is , I saw a guy used a Paracord prussic above his grigri and clipped to his bridge carbiner for backup in case he got slack in the rope and the grigri slipped at all . Any input on this would be appreciated.
try madrock Safeguard (springless) should be safer in case of a slack
@@pastelambong I just bought a grigri plus
Thanks
Happy Easter Guys.
Stay safe.
Happy Easter!
You mention the use of a Hand Ascender and Foot Loop with your DRT setup, but I have not seen that in any of your videos. Unless I missed it. Can you show this setup and demonstrate it's use? Or point me to where it is?
Thank you.
When I first tried DRT I couldn't figure it out. Then all of a sudden I got it and zipped right up the tree. I'll probably stay DRT since i normally only climb to 20 feet anyway.
Yes once you get the timing and understand the mechanical advantage and get that coordination it really is easy. I always say if it's hard, your not doing it right
Sampson predator works really well with a GriGri. I also use Sterling STP for SRT. Light weight and very abrasion resistant.
I'm in the same boat w/ the GriGri2. As Joe mentioned, it's only rated up to 11mm rope, and the Sampson Predator is 11.4mm [ maybe the GriGri 1 or GriGri+ has different specs ]. As a rock climber, I'm guessing that the max-mm-rating has to do more with paying out rope while lead climbing, but I haven't contacted Petzel to confirm. Additionally the Petzel ID ( or Rig maybe ) is a locking device, so with a GriGri, you might want to tie in safety knots below the grigri every 10 feet or so. The guys that I know that work at height for a living ( route setters, window washers, ... ) use the ID or Rig ( but not the grigri ).
Thanks for the video. Which system requires more rope? I heard you say 80 feet for drt how much rope is needed for srt? Thanks again
We use 75' for both
@@NYSaddleHunter awesome thank you
Joe/Scott,
Can you guys explain your presets, are they continuous loops of paracord?
How do you attach your ropes to them?
I saw a video for SRT using a preset where it looked like Joe used an alpine butterfly not but it was unclear how he was able to feed the one end of the rope thru the loop using the preset paracord. Looking for some clarification
Thanks
Keep up the great work it's incredibly helpful 👍
Here is their video: th-cam.com/video/fqSzS4k1Vr4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks
are you have a video show you how you use the gri gri ?? if you do let me know please. and thank you for your videos. God bless you.
How do you address the friction associated with the moving rope aspect of DRT? Do you use a friction saver, for example?
I worry about the branch doing a number to my rope with a DRT/MRS approach. Seems like a pro of the Stationary Rope System/SRT is not having to deal with friction.
I tried a leather friction saver hunting and it made a creeking sound every time I moved. If you use a quality climbing rope it will last a long time without a friction saver.
Never tried a leather friction saver. I use an Amsteel one for a different system, and it's totally silent.
Is there a reason why you wouldn’t want to add tape to the metal components to help reduce the noise with the srt system?
You could as long at it doesn't impact its function. You wouldn't want it on any internal parts.
@@NYSaddleHunter Thanks. Just ordered the gen 2 srt system from WesSpur and the Flatbranch Solitude. With your code of course. Thanks for the content. Plenty of trees here in SW Arkansas. And plenty of whitetail.
@@r.h.w.1776
Nice , it's a fun way to climb/ hunt ! Best of luck !
Could you please tell me the site that offers the DRT kits? I couldn’t understand the name. Thank you
www.wesspur.com
Bruce this video we made gives all the details and links are in the description
th-cam.com/video/_LrV9ZJheKE/w-d-xo.html
Can you provide a link to website you mentioned for equipment?
Never mind I found it. Thanks
Jonathan in this video and in the description Is all the information you're asking about th-cam.com/video/_LrV9ZJheKE/w-d-xo.html
Why does it have to be 1 branch for MRS? Even if it’s over a high branch with one or 2 other branches almost under it I wouldn’t see a problem there.
The more branches it adds more friction so it make it harder to move the rope over the limbs. This is one of the benefits of SRT , it doesn't matter how many branches you go over theres no friction because the rope is stationary
@@NYSaddleHunter ohh ok. If the extra friction doesn’t bother you is it problem as far as damage to rope etc..?
@@The_Fit_ness_monster
No it won't harm the rope
@@NYSaddleHunter thanks!!
@@The_Fit_ness_monster Anytime!
How much rope you using for SRT?
We carry 75 for both DRT and SRT. Reason being if the only limb is above 30 ‘. We have enough rope to make it work with a midline alpine butterfly, base hitch or real high canopy hitch. We could carry less rope and use paracord for retrieval but its only 4 lbs and gives us more options
I tell you what,.......The last thing you want, when climbing SRT, is to get hit with hand & finger cramps, when half way up!!!! I almost got stuck in a tree, because I couldn’t get my hands to function. Was forced to leave my ascender on my rope, in order to get down. Took me almost 30 minutes to make the transfer to my safety 8, with my fingers becoming inoperable, & repel back down. Didn’t see that one coming!!!!! 😬😬😬 May have to invest in a gree gree!
Why would your hands cramp from SRT?
@@NYSaddleHunter Cold, dehydrated, fatigued, 🤷♂️ I was using the ascender, & about half way up, or around 12 feet up, it began. First one finger curled up tight, I forced it strait, & as soon as I attempted to use it again, bam, spasm hit again, then another, then the other hand, when I attempted to use it in its place. It was obvious to me quickly, I was headed for trouble, & needed to get out of there ASAP! By the time I got home, cramps on the inside thigh muscles. My helium saddle had slid up too, causing strain on my inner thighs, & the longer I hung there the more distressed I was feeling. I could tell I was headed for trouble quickly due to that, & needed down ASAP.
Not at all the fault of the method, just in poor shape I guess. I was able to get my lineman’s line hooked up, so I could get weight of my locking clip, & then worked on switching over to my safety 8, to then repel back down, what usually took seconds to accomplish, took close to 30 minutes, due to inoperable hands & fatigue.
Once on the ground, I abandoned everything I had with me at the base of the tree, unable to deal with it, because my hands no longer worked.
I made a successful recovery of all my gear the next day, still sore from the previous day. Had to use my climbing sticks to recover my ascender, with help of ratchet straps I got for the task, to get around the 30” tree trunk, then was able to pull my line down with the paracord I had tied to the loop, keeping my paracord in my spot, which was extremely difficult to access, due to the presence of thick limb cover, from red cedar, & buckthorn.
Accessing that spot, was a workout!!!!! I only previously had time, to cut a shooting lane, & no more, before hunting that spot, so had to do my throw line that morning. Possibly what caused a lot of that fatigue?
@@L2FlyMN
I think generally when people get cramping like that its a sign of dehydration ? Do you Think you may have been dehydrated ?
@@NYSaddleHunter It is possible, because I hadn't had much to drink that morning, not wanting to have to pee in the cold. 😬
At 18°F I was also wearing thin gloves, forgetting my hand warmers, so cold could have also been a factor?
Bow hunting, I wasn't prepared for that kind of cold of gun season!