SC2 - Clem vs. Serral - DreamHack SC2 Masters 2021: Fall - Grand-Final - EU
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So glad to see Clem utilizing Ravens in his early TvZ games now. Saves so much energy on your scans for mules. It always baffled me why I never saw Ravens in TvZ Pro games.
Because its fucking hard and this exact version is a brand new build.
no such thing as glad or for or utilizx or agree or similax or etc, cepux, any s perfx
@@byun1119 Brand new build that only Clem is doing because it's so demanding in multi-tasking...
This boy est a real threat for other terrans, cause blizz willstart thinking T is OP and will nerf the race lol.
@@kroquette6340 Please no... we cant take anymore ;(
@@kroquette6340 :)))
That first game was perfect…perfect. Clem was absolutely relentless in his harassment every second of the game while coordinating beautiful splits and Serral just didn’t have a chance to breathe or plan a real counterattack.
His entire attention was having to be spent trying to save his mineral lines from drop harassment or getting them overrun by mines/Hellion drive-bys. And all the while Clem was mitigating his losses beautifully and building a bigger force in the background to commit when the time was right.
And when it came, he pounced and Serral was just outnumbered and outgunned. It was probably the most well executed Terran victory I think I’ve seen yet and all the more impressive for the fact that it took down the likes of Serral who is probably the best Zerg and very likely SC2 player in the world.
Very well done Clem and great job to the commenters.
Clem zvt is godlike. He and Maru are two best terrans in the world right now.
Clem is the best TvZ by a wide margin... Maru is the best over all but those Euro Zergs eat him
@@OlmanWillo those poor European zergs have to grind against Clem week after week. Of course they prey on every other Terran, nobody does TVZ like Clem
it's true ... also the only world class competition Clem sees day in and day out are zergs.
@@OlmanWillo Reynor vs Maru are very close and have been a classic rivalry so far. Serral, on the other hand, has swiped Maru off easily in recent times they met, look like Serral is the perfect counter to Maru style of TvZ.
@@OlmanWillo I think Maru would be fine with low ping, whereas Clem can play Reynor/Serral with no latency so of course he has better results vs them. See when Clem lost 2-4 to Dark in TSL7
amazing to finally see someone on serrals play level. Great games!
Great series.
So exciting to see 2 of the 3 players globally going head to head.
That Tastless impression was on point 😀
Terran seems op in Clems hand. Damn. Now I really got no excuse. Lol
Why do I shed a tear when i see ‘gg wp’ at the top level
OMG great series!! I would have liked serral to win a few more maps so that we could see a few more games though...
Tbh, i am refreshed by the actual opposite happening every now and then.
Some matches were surprisingly stretched every now and then.
Edit: I seem to use terms like "every now and then" every now and then!
It’s not clem since his lost against mlord, he is now dark clem
(3-0 ptitdrogo, 3-0 souL, 3-0 MaxPax, 3-0 HeRoMaRinE)
Dark Clem sound like Dark and Clem had a kid.
Shadow Clem sounds better
@@teddanville6996 ahahahaah that is too creepy
"Dark Clem" You, you are passed by french cast no ?
Of course
Besides Beckett, all games had very pivotal moments which could've gone either way, so I have so much fun watching Clem vs Serral/Reynor. For real tho forcing Serral to make 6 zerglings against Clem's Reaper or pool openings (can't point at a good reason why Serral is doing pool openings tho, maybe expecting proxy rax or super greedy build?) is making Clem's initial stimpack + combat shield upgrading timing attacks super insanely hard to fend off.
Game 1 - 5:43 auto turret to delay the queens from directly returning allowed Clem to get a very good trade; 7:38 Serral miss microing Zerglings + Banelings (used up like 16 Banelings to kill roughly 2 marines and 1 window mines lmao; ofc Clem had great micro, but I think this moment, if Serral microed it well, he probably wouldn't have lost to the initial stimpack + combat shield timing)
Game 3 - 26:20 Cyclone lock on with scan to kill a Queen then focus firing 5 Banelings afterwards
Game 4 - 42:33 if Serral's Seismic Spines was 15 seconds upgraded earlier, Serral probably smashed the expansion and probably won by constant trading units against only 1 healthy base Terran; 43:29 Clem's EMP against 3 Viper to mitigate Vipers parasitic bombs and/or yoinks; 45:51 Serral forcing Clem to come to his expansion in order to try to use the baneling mines (unfortunately the scan caught it, but if it did go off, I think Serral probably was able to defend his expansion)
Game 5 - 1:01:42 Serral makes a decision that he would be able to fend Clem's assault with the ground army, so sends his flocks of muta to do damage to Clem's infra + eco, but his flock couldn't do any meaningful infra + eco damage and to make things worse his ground army couldn't fend off Clem's assault.
Well said and thanks for the timestamps. I agree, there are some crucial moments that really came down to the micro. I found it interesting that Serral would take the bottom right base in the first game, where you see that he has to hastily try to defend from an awkward position. I think if he took a different base, he would have been able to buy some more time, or at least save the workers if Clem were to attack the hatchery.
The widow mines so strong.
So why IS he up 1-0 at the beginning of the bo7??
Serral came from Winner's side, so he was given a 1-0 lead, per the rules of the tournament.
It's just insane that Banelings must have the speed upgrade,and mass numbers so one of them hope to connect to a marine. People think banelings are op but they are easily targetable and they are useless until you have them in big numbers and with speed and +1 upgrade. Widow mines come earlier,doesn't need +1 to kill stuff, and don't necessarily need their upgrade to be at least of use.
I wouldn't say they are "Easily Targetable". Other than Clem, no one has made TvZ look easy.
@@buffetize Yeah Clem played really well this game. Mines were at the right place,bane targeting is on point and marine splits are really good. What I'm saying by easily targetable is they are easier to target than a very fast moving Zergling, or a Templar beneath carriers and stuff like that. With the amount of practice these guys get, a big green glowing ball shouldn't be that hard to target and it shows. Mines however are a different issue. If you don't have ranged units you still have to stop your army and sacrifice something to get rid of one mine while Terran army disengages and heals up. And if you are building ranged units,you don't have splash against Terran bio until you get to Lurkers, which is hard countered by ghosts at that point. Terran really has all the right and extremely efficient tools to deal with Zerg units before those zerg units arrive at field.
I want to see 2018 serral again. His dominance that year was godlike.
Zerg too nerf rn , look the ladder , it mean what blizzard did , only toss and terran , and few zerg . Actually too hard to play and nerf
@@Nico-nv3ej is raynor on par or arguably beating serral vause they nerf zerg too much? Maru shows no dominance over serral or raynor the way clem does. .... so yes.....obvious balance issue.
@@inexplicable01 Yes, and Heromarine totally destroyed by Serral
Thou shall be humbled, you can't always be the best.
@@Nico-nv3ej I guess that explains why the past 10 premier tournaments have been won by Protoss and Zerg right?
Clem the destroyer of zerg, his TvZ reminds me of the the top zergs ling bane muta that seemed impossible to beat
Yea, for me the closest comparison is Innovation in his prime during HotS. His then signature style of never ending bio rally of constant hyper aggressive pressure with flawless macro behind made him look almost invincible in the MU. A terrifying player to play against in TvZ. Clem is starting to look like the modern version of this, with the addition of also transitioning smoothy to also a scary strong lategame.
I love how every time someone wins, viewers instantly blame the race being OP instead of admitting that the winner just played better. Jeez, Zerg players are world champion for the last 4 years, Zerg imba, and then instantly when a Terran mastermind like Clem get a few trophies, people were like “Widow mines OP”. Dude, make up your mind.
Op gaming chair
Aren’t top players mostly Protoss and terran? Aside from best overall being Zerg in recent years?
mines are op though
Mines are objectively OP. Clem deserves the win he’s one of if not the best player in the world and played this series beautifully. you probably were saying Zerg was OP 2 years ago when serral couldn’t lose.
@@Spagett998 it's not OP, it's a mini game between two players. Beside, widow mines are the only effective way to beat lings and banes, and they only work like 20% of the time. If Terran does not have widow mines, they would never be able to beat lings banes, since beating lings banes require aoe damage, and lings banes can easily run away from siege tank until Zerg has enough money to get vipers.
Clem's Reaper micro is so on point, he's even able to kill a Serral's ling.
Crazy that clem is the only one at this level who can snipe a few lings or get a creep tumor. So relentless
Imagine a burrowed baneling that can jump out of the air in any direction, not die on impact, and have targetable control.
That would be OP!! Oh wait
And also do more splash damage and like double the hot points, those and ghost snipes are so op
It should be noted that Widow Mines have several caveats that stop them from become bullshit incarnate, those being immobility, very short range, and exposure when firing which in itself takes some time to fire and is highly abusable (this last one used to not be a thing and they were waaaay more annoying).
Another thing to note is that even with their existence, Terran has no mobile ground splash unit with their only sources of mobile air splash being kind of crap at actual anti-air roles. Widow Mines are essentially the equivalent of Templars (Psionic Storm), Disruptors (Disruption Nova), Vipers (Parasitic Bomb), and Infestors (Fungal Growth), all of which are similarly bullshit with mass army killing splash abilities, but all of those units can actually move while casting their army wipeout abilities. Because all of the above units are basically mobile Siege Tanks if you think about it.
Also widow mines straight up slaughter your own marines if they decide to target an enemy unit that is on top of the Terran army
Imagine a Widow mine cheap like 1 baneling, that can be detonated instantaneously on demand or automatically if an enemy unit is near, with splash damage, no friendly fire.
I just love how Serral is bummed out at 26:48 😈
Clem is also smart.
I mean, he plays the pressure in a phase were Z has maaaaaaany thing to do.
To compete against a T who's filling his rax while fighting, Serral must spread the creep, inject, transfuse and dodge mines...
And I am Terran, so I'm not whining.
This is a very clever game style vs Z.
Very cool insight, thanks.
Shame we didn't get Rotterdam casting on the finals :/
Yah, for my money the best SC2 casting duo is Rotterdam and Zombiegrub.
@@joeled7660 agreed
You don't like all the high pitched screeching & whooping like ~36:36 in your earphones?
@@joeled7660 Yeah I'd love Zombiegrub too
Rotti #1. Pig and wardi are tied for my second favourite. The other casters are on a similar "good" level I think. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. No one i despise. Some are better hosts, some better casters. Rotti said, he often doesnt enjoy casting the finals as much as other series. Personally i think it would benefit the viewer, to have the #1 caster cast the finals. And most people like rottis casting.
man this kids!! EPIC GAME
My, how the turns have tabled
That first game was fucking insane.
Widow mine too op
that tasteless impression was impressive
Clem is a Terran god! congrats awesome games to watch
Havent played/watched for some time. Did widow mines get buffed ? I see a lot of play in TvZ.
At the very beginning of this they said some words and apparently I'm an idiot for not knowing why Serral starts with a win?
I guess, in nearly any position it's ok to be down on the disappointing failure of nearly all humans in nearly all tasks, but perhaps not when your job is to be a personality, it's less than ideal.
Serral came from winners bracket and clem from losers bracket. Google the standings of the Tourney for more Detail. Basically serral Was undefeated and clem had lost a series before
@@nandoborchardt4327 thanks, I do appreciate it, and assumed as much but my comment was really aimed at the caster being condescending.
@@matthewthehuman1744 You are missing some context. This video was not made specifically for youtube.
32:00 indeed a Great Tasteless impression LUL
De quand date ce match on y comprends plus rien avec les replays
Une dizaine de jours. Si vous voulez vous le mater en FR, un petit lien : "www.twitch.tv/videos/1119164016?filter=all&sort=time"
What an absolute monster.
Game 5 is crazy. Any other Terran would have crumbled under that level of constant pressure. Make one mistake in that 10minutes lingbane rolling and it it's a loss
Amazing batle.!!!
Hey guys I'm new, why do players keep starting out 1-0?
Lower to upper bracket. Serial went straight through the upper bracket, Clem lost to marine lord so he went through the lower bracket
Quá hay Clem! Tấn công bằng Mine và Helion không cho Zerg phát triển. Zerg lấy tấn công làm phòng ngự mà bị ép từ đầu thì Serral mọc thêm tay cũng khó đỡ :)))
Think zerg players need to brainstorm and make new strategies and timings
They should learn from Dark new strategy
You think for all these years people haven't? That's not the issue. The issue is just with what's viable. Other strategies just aren't as viable.
It's best to set widow mines off the creep though to defend against baneling roll ins, queens just spot them immediately.
Really interested what Serral's mumbling every time he loses
"fucking hate widow mines" - Serral, probably
After the last game I think you can pretty clearly see him say "I fucked up"
I can't find the video but somebody clipped a video from Serral's stream from about a year ago when he loaded up a ladder game and said - Clem, the Terran everyone is talking about. Not me, I don't talk about him.
And then Clem steamrolled him and he mumbled just like this with his mic muted.
@@mattsakko7832 th-cam.com/video/4cNY5bEiVZ8/w-d-xo.html last match
@@sh00trts16 what a legend!
Epic!
What a great series. Watching this game be played the right way is just beautiful and then realizing skytoss just sits there and does nothing then a moves…
26:41 that should be illegal
Widow mines carry AF
Edit : i was just trolling, but thx for the likes poor zerg baby cry
Why is this bo7 starting at 1:0 for serral?
they gave him a head start because they know terran is broken AF
Bc he came from winners bracket ( he won every series) while clem lost a series and then won the losers bracket. If this explanation Was shit Google the bracket of the tournament and youll see what I mean
@@nandoborchardt4327 ah thank you
Geoff and Gretorp casting in 2021
You hurt Clem, Clem hurts you worse.
Where are the interviews???
Clem gogo so amazing, love that clem
should show unit cost loss beside upgrades
Buff widow mines, for the sole purpose of triggering chat
it really takes a lot of attention span. Cure abused that alot and made serral lost from time to time
Clem's zvt is so unstopable. I think only Dark can stop him.
Serral is not the first guy to get a big major international tournament, Stephano and Huk were before him.
Clems zvt godlike, what to do as zerg?
Clem's TVZ is aggression based.
Zergs need to come up with effective ways to cut off medivacs or destroy them.
Hydra or Mutas can be used.
Nothing it's broken zerg can't beat it.
Change name to dark
Play as Dark, the best Zerg in the world.
@@muhammadkhan5898 zerg doesn't have the tools at the moment to hold off Terran constant aggression, especially against someone as good as clem.
Terran is extraordinarily cost effective against zerg, they just slowly starve them out in macro games.
The main answer against Clem as a zerg right now is unorthodox timings and the element of surprise.
So just burrow widow mines at every base = counter every zerg unit and thwart all potential harass
Ghosts deal with all the high tech units and marines deal with the low tech and a stack of medivacs for map mobility and healing. Dealing with zerg starter pack right there
As much as it is hard to balance vastly different races, I do agree that he APM required to fend off zerg harass by just borrowing mines everywhere is a tad ridiculous. Not to take credit away from Clem, he is an amazing player and found a way to exploit TvZ to beat the best - APM effective trades.
« Just play like Reynor »
starter..... no god tier pack to counter the widows mines
at least blizz can't do things worse for zerg, because they abandoned the game. poor consolation, but it is what it is.
i hear this a lot but there's a reason every other terran in the world still gets dumpstered by zerg, look at maru vs rogue gsl finals (or serral vs heromarine, the second best foreign terran). people say terran imba vs zerg but it's literally just clem
Cry more
Widow Mines, because Terran having 2 units to micro wouldn't be fair, don't you know how hard marine splitting is?
Snipe is way to strong.
how can you be this good at the game?!
Game 4: how do he get their? A Rick and morty reference
imagine serral's spore crawler getting clem in Scarletts natural 😩
Clem is so good. his micro is insane. but you gotta admit widow mine is op.
It's only op when Clem uses them.... Sometimes. He probably is retargeting them with his insane micro
Mmmmh nope. Mines are very powerful against enemies but also against friends troops. And if Clem is so powerful with its mines, its because he stop auto target to choose the target himself. Its so hard to do it during action but this kid is a truly machine.
Man to those Zerg fanboys who are claiming Widow Mines are OP: STFU! You are basically calling for the best counter Terran has against your overpowered Banelings. Also those mines require a lot of micro to be used effectively (if not, it will kill your own units). Without it, your beloved Banelings will roll all over the map and destroy everything. Also your fast expansion is too OP, before calling for any weapons (that hard counter your beloved OP strategy) to be nerfed, your expansion rate needs to be slowed down a little bit first. And give credit to Clem's exceptional skills.
Why does the series start 1-0?
Serral come from the winner bracket while clem come from looser
Serral has a plus 1 advantage because of win rate...
they gave him a head start because they know terran is broken AF
Widow mines op
Against mass banelings? Oh, yeah, they counter one unit. (Zerglings are too fast and are on top of marines when widow-mine shoots)
Terrancraft 2 should be the name of the game.
clem toppled serral.
clem is the new king!
Kinda meh synergy on the commentator side, still great watch!
All the zergs saying widow mines are op but fundamentally they aren't much different than banelings, but banelings are more supply efficient. Both can end a game with good connections
but banelings don't do friendlyfire. Lurker too is pretty op like the tank but once again, lurker can't do friendlyfire
Yes except widowmines don’t die after being used one time.
@@scullyscullers5202 but at least banelings can move and hit and don't have to be Burrowed, then aim and maybe shot
The dumbest take I've seen in a while
Both have splash dmg = they are the same. Tanks = High Templar = Baneling. k.
widow mine is.too op
omg Clem is so fucking strong............
Does someone have the link for match 1?
Serral has a plus 1 advantage because of win rate.
Since Serral came from winners bracket and Clem came from losers, Serral gets 1-0 to start.
@@martinblake2278 ouh thanks, didnt knew
I hate to watch serral loose but he keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results!
No more infested terran that can be used to bully his way through. Serral is exposed.
Korean Zerg has a better chance to defeat Clem, as they play more strategic and aggressive if necessary. Euro macro base Zerg is way too passive and predicable, which allow Clem to dictate the tempo and getting to his strongest bio/mine composition.
So ..who exactly allowed Feardragon to cast on the A++ League?
If I wanted to listen to halftrue comments and permanently false predictions I'd sat into the SC2 Bnet lobby.
Casting a Serral vs Clem Game he should know the heck he is talking about.
my personal highlights:
Things noone else says:
"He is, the Clam". - 10:18
No, he is not seafood.
False predictions (at ~70%)
22:00 "no ok it's just a roa...never mind"
Apart from the permanent giggling whenever he just speculates about things ( which is alot!)
21:10
"I want a macro game so badly today"...
- "No! "
Why is he laughing all the time? Why are you laughing while talking Feardragon?!
I got 3 Wishes. World peace, No Illnesses, not make game-predictions just for pretending to know whats going on.
(And maybe to stop laughing out of insecurity.)
Thanks
Clem > Maru
clem can only win serral and reynor, but he cant beat other players consistently
i'd say he only struggles against Korean Protosses. But other than Maru's TvP, which terran doesn't?
@@buffetize I dunno, he tends to get destroyed by Dark when they play
Feardragon has no idea what he is talking about, per usual.
Baneling tech = definitive lose
Roach tech = better than baneling
I don't get it why so many top terrans always get so hard fucked at their 3rd base by runbys. tf why not place a bunker with depots and a widow mine. ofc it is an investment but a good one
5:28 Clem is supply blocked!!!! NOOOOB
Widow mines are way to overpower.
the splits are overpower
Well, that caster is obnoxious at times.
Fucking terran op
I hate this whole age-old caster meme about how everyone wants to watch long games. No we don't. I love scrappy fights, crazy all ins, funky timings. Watching 2 guys macro for 30 minutes just to fight once and gg is not my idea of fun.
Only human can beat Serral Zeag! Protoss is junk now
Zerg OP, needs to be nerfed to oblivion.
The commentator who's balls never dropped is annoying.
zerg is op.
so when are they nerfing those stupid widow mines?
OH COME ON. TvZ being most exciting? It's not.
The Tasteless impressions are so bad that they're actually good
CLem SO HOT!
Clem is equally as annoying as Serral was a couple years ago. My god these two are annoying. lol. But watching clem battle serral with a camera to even show them makes me want Serral to win now.
claaaaaaaaaaaam111
I am not upset about the final. I am disappointed that clown Feardragon is casting it.Cringy , 0 game knowledge and utterly annoying. Literally sucking the enjoyment of every game he casts.
THAT PLANETARY GOT DECIMATED!
I like him
I agree, he's the worst
wrg, no such thing as important or bad or lossx or laughx about it etc or etc, cepuxyuax, do, be any nmw an dany s perfect, doesn't matter, laugh any nmw
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好狡诈的人族
Bro Serral has not been winning title. Save the Goat talk until hes back in form.
3 years dominance=Goat?
End of the day, it would be stacking up all the achievement, and Serral still has a case until Reynor, Maru or Rogue clearly passing him. But yeah, lots of Serral fanboys just call him GOAT no matter what because of that 2018-early 2019 years.
@@tigera6 Yeye, what about aligulac? Serral is still #1 with 3274 points, Clem 3220, Dark 3134, Reynor 3164, Maru 3128. Also Serral still have highest MMR. Serral is still the best player, but it is no longer dominance.
@@mcblanc900 Aligulac rating is simply not accurate, and in a certain way bias toward EU players.
In the GSL, all the top players face each other pretty soon, even in qualifer/code A/code S ro. 16, so they pretty much beating up each other alot and their rating cant be super high.
In the EU tournaments, all the top players are intentionally put into different groups and bracket, meaning they will beat the hell out of inferior players racking up Aligulac rating points. Clem/Serral/Reynor normally wont face each other all the way to the Ro.6 or beyond.
So while Serral and Clem have higher rating, that doesnt mean they are better than KR player. I am taking Dark/Cure/Trap over Serral at the moment, and Zest/Maru/Cure/Dark/Trap over Clem as well, despite their rating is lower.
@tigera6 ya i think 3 years is being a bit generous.
@McBlanc we are talking about GOAT. If you wanna crown him goat with a 50 point lead in rankings thats on you.