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  • @loricarroll1035
    @loricarroll1035 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    Not “every”man in this book was depicted as being sexist. Calvin certainly was not, Dr Mason certainly was not, Walter Pine certainly was not. Also you are stating how people react/act about how sexism as it is now in 2023 and in your experience. It has evolved into what it is today because of women before you such as Elizabeth Zott. In the 50’s it was exactly as portrayed in this book.

    • @Justjudypeaceout
      @Justjudypeaceout ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Calvin was a sexist but not as bad as others. I do think dr Mason was good. I liked him. Though I have not finished the book.

    • @latersonthemenjay9094
      @latersonthemenjay9094 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Elizabeth Zott isn't a real person

    • @logirex
      @logirex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The sad fact is the 50's was a lot worse for women than in the book. Especially when they were encroaching on what was basically male dominated work places at that time.

    • @cantormp
      @cantormp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      uouuuu 3 guys were not bad guys? thats SO goood

    • @skye497
      @skye497 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cantormp its almost like its a relfection of a very sexist period of time, where most people including women were misogynistic?!!

  • @bookishaish
    @bookishaish ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I read it recently and I felt the book was written for a screen. The twists and turns are so made up and everything works out in the end magically!

  • @alwaysoutside4960
    @alwaysoutside4960 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I was born in 1961 and really enjoyed this book. And while rape and misogyny are serious, I did think given that, the tone was deftly kept light. Disagree about your view of the rape scene being not realistic. Do agree that a lot of what happened was wishful thinking especially for the 50s and 60s, but that was part of the charm for me.

  • @HuckleberryCyn
    @HuckleberryCyn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Former victim advocate here- unfortunately everything with the cop and the professor (going off what you say in the video) is pretty accurate. The police are trained to immediately disbelieve survivors and to treat what they say as suspect. And I do mean trained, I’ve had to attend their trainings. It’s horrible and traumatizing to people who are already experiencing something awful. And the thing with the pencil is really reminiscent of cases of domestic violence- man pushes woman to the point of hysterics and fighting back, police show up, man goes “look at her! She’s crazy, I wasn’t doing anything” while he is calm and she is understandably upset, most of the time the cop will side with the man because sexism. It shouldn’t be like that, but alas.

    • @LienesLibrary
      @LienesLibrary  2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I want to clarify, because I was trying to articulate - evidently poorly - that it was the details of how things were described as happening that didn’t sound like a scene with people in it to me. Because the situation itself - female student stays late, is assaulted, defends herself, is not believed and is kicked out of school - sounds all too believable. It is the execution of the scene itself, the way it’s written, that I find heavy handed and unrealistic, which may be simply because the writing on every page in every scene felt that way to me. It failed to convince me that these are believable characters I’m following, so by the time this scene rolls around it’s receiving no benefit of the doubt from me as a reader, and it’s not because the “facts” so to speak beggar belief, but because everything around those facts is poorly executed in my opinion

    • @kickasspodcast
      @kickasspodcast 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@LienesLibrary what books would you say do a much better job? I liked this book but appreciate many takes on it. Just wondering who does it better for you. Like I'm learning how to write and I'd like to know so i can write for a bigger audience. Ty in Advance.

    • @La_Ru-yg8es
      @La_Ru-yg8es 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @HuckleberryCyn, yes!! Like what happened with Gabby Petito when she & her boyfriend were stopped by the cops in Utah, a couple of weeks before he killed her.

    • @Mrs_Beanbag
      @Mrs_Beanbag 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Valid point 👍

  • @margotbw4660
    @margotbw4660 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Pencils are FORBIDDEN in labs .. you must always write in ink and only use a single strike through line to retract something. It's imperative that everything is recorded, for better or for worse. No erasing!!!

  • @veraheald21
    @veraheald21 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I loved this book . The best I’ve read in ages . I was born in the 50s so understand it all. It’s well written humour it’s and she shows she’s done a large amount of research which is contrary to what you say. It will be a best seller and a great film series .

  • @latersonthemenjay9094
    @latersonthemenjay9094 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Elizabeth Zott is a perfect example of the modern female character that annoys me so much. She was portrayed as a perfectly moral, hardworking genius from the start and the story is essentially 'society holds her back'. There was no space for growth, so there is no real character arc. I can't relate to her because I know I'm flawed & always growing. I also totally agree the on-the-nose soap-boxing was relentless. I feel so starved of relatable, realistic, flawed female protagonists whose storyline consists of more than 'society won't let me do X'.

    • @Sarah-ym6cs
      @Sarah-ym6cs ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I actually think the character held herself back more than anything. I’m not saying it’s good to play the game and do what the HR character did, but that’s how women got ahead in that day and age. Zott very clearly has some social differences like Autism or something and I think that’s why she is hard to understand and connect with. But my sister who has autism identifies with her quite a bit.

  • @BlackSleepingBeauty
    @BlackSleepingBeauty ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and critiques. I gave it a four out of five stars. I connected to the characters because I have a love-hate relationship with my family and I’ve had a family member who’s estranged me. I think your comments missed the fact that the author created someone who didn’t go to public schools so didn’t have access to social norms like her peers. I teach college students, and I have to say that some of these homeschooled people really do stand out the way that Elizabeth does it’s not always a good thing. They are oblivious to so much, but it allows then to be unrestrained because they didn’t spend 11 years trying to fit into a classroom or school. I laughed maybe four times, so yes, it’s a it’s not a very funny book, but there are those for moments. I also struggled with the extent to which the events felt realistic. I was surprised when she just threw in a race and civil rights. I think the people who do the AppleTV series I have an opportunity to do research that the original author didn’t do on a number of fronts as you pointed out.

    • @karenyula3179
      @karenyula3179 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like the book very much.

  • @janetdunn7583
    @janetdunn7583 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You read this from a 2024 standpoint , it really was like that then take it from a 74 year old.

    • @KlaudiaShaefferr
      @KlaudiaShaefferr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The pay gap was fake and still is. Not all men are/were bad. The author took all leftist talking points and put them all in one story seems like to make people draw certain conclusions on religion, education, work and marriage, view of men, etc.

  • @caseywagner9484
    @caseywagner9484 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    100% agree. The book was cartoonish and inauthentic in terms of characters, plot, and time period. Comes across as purely shallow entertainment. It is completely annoying to anyone who approaches books on a more intellectual level.

  • @annaniemczyk2285
    @annaniemczyk2285 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your videos are too repetitive you could make it 10 minutes shorter and it wouldn't lose anything edit it better please!

  • @kellyrincon7490
    @kellyrincon7490 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    😂😂 same feeling!! I told my husband.. it feels like the author was bored and though..hey, lets write a feminist book, why not.

  • @spear627
    @spear627 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you! Glad I am not alone!

  • @Hi-jw7oq
    @Hi-jw7oq 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Every marriage in this book is portrayed as bad even though if Elizabeth married Calvin, her life would have been so much easier

  • @NatalieM123
    @NatalieM123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank goodness someone said it!

  • @racismnoway
    @racismnoway 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sorry, but the way you dismiss every important aspect of the story with "blablabla" confirms that you give precisely those aspect for granted. Also, "quirky science girl"? Man...

  • @juliejohnson9225
    @juliejohnson9225 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree with you. I didn’t enjoy the book and I didn’t think it was funny. The ending bugged me. It came together too easily.

  • @rivka8576
    @rivka8576 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow the comments on this video are brutal and unfair. I didn't hate this book, but I didn't love it like I hoped, for the exact reasons you've explained. With some of the darker scenes, the issue is not the substance, but that the way these scenes are written, which is so campy and over the top that they don't feel real (not to say things can't happen like that- but the execution of the writing was poor). There's also issues in the way she stretches believability and I find that every time someone has a basic understanding of something they can pick apart her claims. For instance, as someone who does a co-ed sport, I can tell you there's a physical difference in male upper body strength compared to females, so no, the main character would not be able to beat male competitive athletes (ironically, this is the one area according to Garmus that she has experience in... so then she would have known this is just wish fulfillment and untrue... which she basically said this book was anyway). Basically, this is not the worst book ever written, but it definitely has its issues and I'm confused that people can't take the valid criticism without getting really mad about it.

  • @kickasspodcast
    @kickasspodcast 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    We read different books

  • @Justjudypeaceout
    @Justjudypeaceout ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I loved 6:30 the dog. I don’t like the preaching in this book either and it seems all the people have no redeeming qualities. I agree with this review.

  • @hubb123456
    @hubb123456 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    No! No! No! This woman is wrong. This is an amazing book, read it!

    • @lindacole9674
      @lindacole9674 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I haven't read it yet, but this reviewer is clueless about what it was like for women in the 50s and 60s.

    • @ahantu
      @ahantu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@lindacole9674 It is disheartening that more younger and younger women won't understand or even emphatize the women's life in the 1930s - 1960s.

  • @strawberrycocoo_x
    @strawberrycocoo_x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    subsidized child care started in sweden in 1943. However, publicly provided childcare was initially small-scale and mainly a supplement to existing charity-run crèches and kindergartens.
    but as you stated its highly unlikely that a sciency quirky girl in the 1960s would know abt it

  • @SeanPalmerwriter
    @SeanPalmerwriter ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you. I hated Zott. She does not grow or change at all. There is no character arc. She suffers greatly, yes, but she -- as portrayed by Garmus -- is right about everything, even though her arguments for and against what she's for or against are incredibly basic and sophomoric. Garmus got pissed one day and wrote a book about why. That said, she has a point, but the point is strung out and poorly argued that is looses effect. Plus the book is 70 pages too long, and has a protagonist that is utterly annoying.

    • @ahantu
      @ahantu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Some reviewers mentioned this book is supposed to be a Satire. If Zott is a male, his attitude and smartness is widely acceptable behavior. Since Zott was written as a female, it evokes wide ranges of emotions among women and men. It seems weird to hate a fictitious character that did not do any crime in the story. Why didn't you hate Donatti?

    • @SeanPalmerwriter
      @SeanPalmerwriter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ahantu Who says I didn’t hate Donatti? And it’s quite an assumption to think someone dislikes a character based on gender. It’s so bold, in fact, I suppose you have some evidence to support that suspicion.

    • @ahantu
      @ahantu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SeanPalmerwriter Sorry that I didn't know you also hate Donatti. Because you specifically wrote you hate Zott only.
      While there are evidence you can capture from the comments by a ranges of male and female readers on their irrational hate for Zott. If you have even read Japanese mangas, or watch Japanese TV series/animes, Zott - sort of character , usually male character is nothing new to me. However, if it is a female sort of Zott- character who has the same "obnoxious", preachy and alway-right-about-everything, it usually draws both gender's hatred. That is my experience and I can understand and even empathize that kind of disapproval feeling arises when seeing this kind of smarty-female protagonist.

    • @SeanPalmerwriter
      @SeanPalmerwriter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ahantu Well, I only mentioned one character, the main one. As for other people’s comments, I am not responsible for those

  • @BobcatsHotpants
    @BobcatsHotpants 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As an autistic person I read this book as a book about un-diagnosed ASD and how it was handled in the past. And ASD in women has been ignored for ages. ,

    • @kimscozyreads
      @kimscozyreads 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This read like The Big Bang Theory's impression of ASD to me

  • @Vieweratlarge
    @Vieweratlarge ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m afraid you seem to insufferably ramble…and yet you seem to criticize the book for this amidst other things. Hard to listen to you offer your opinion. “Like” the finger air quotes are “like” really “like” hard to “like” take also.

  • @thisslightlysweetlife3402
    @thisslightlysweetlife3402 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Oh my gosh this is EXACTLY how I’ve been feeling about this book. Spot on! Don’t apologize for what you’re not saying. We know you’re not saying that because you didn’t say that! Lol.

  • @vosk123
    @vosk123 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    So good to hear your clarification of exactly what I thought of this book. Majority of my book club members thought it was an amazing book, I’m happy to hear that I’m not alone in my opinion.

  • @jab070
    @jab070 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I respectfully disagree. This book is 5 stars. Important story, and well told.

  • @EbonyVasquez-x9p
    @EbonyVasquez-x9p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    16:53 this is so funny to me because I was literally just thinking before this part, "ugh, using innuendos and getting upset when the other person doesn't understand your deeper unspoken meaning. I HATE it when neurotypicals do that."
    Not to say that it's impossible for autistic people to speak in code like that, but it's pretty prevalent in the community to dislike it when people don't take what you say at face value, and some autistic people struggle to catch the double meaning in what allistics say.

  • @HannahSachie
    @HannahSachie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My book club is reading this book and I hate it. It just seems so forced. It’s just not my style.
    I want subtlety in my books. I want mystery and allure, not things shoved in my faced.

  • @Frazec_Atsjenkov
    @Frazec_Atsjenkov 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The author was born in the time and location she is writing about. That gives her description of the setting more authority. I assume she has a pretty good knowledge of that setting. The more I listen to your review on the other hand, the more I get the impression that you have no clue about that time.

  • @kimscozyreads
    @kimscozyreads 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I almost bought Leave the World Behind from BOTM too. Checked it out from the library instead- two of the worst books I have read, ever, at least out of the ones receiving that much acclaim. Normal People was another massive disappointment they picked. Every time I see that cover I just hear "no, yeah, no. no yeah. no. yeah" in my head.

  • @GnipMuffin
    @GnipMuffin ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I started this book only knowing it had over 400 holds at the library near me and that they were turning it into a movie/show, I started reading it and after about 100 pages needed to come online to see if I was crazy and what everyone was so obsessed about. Thank god for this review! This book reminds me why I have so much trouble picking up modern novels - the bar is just so low it seems.

  • @draloncouch
    @draloncouch 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Utterly agree. Just read this, and that's wasted time I'll never get back. In short, if this book is an international phenomenon, and regarded as "hilarious", the bar these days is low low low.... This is not funny, it's rapidly anti-Christian, it's misanthropic, and the heroine is a complete Mary Sue. I do not understand the hype, and I'm saddened that a book this mediocre, ham-fistedly written - oh my God, the "dialogue" - and with absolute paucity of "humour" has taken so much oxygen from good books like Katherine Heiny's "Standard Deviation" , or the Queen's Gambit. The first is actually funny, and the second is an interesting, human look at a real character was a real flaws making their way in the intellectual world of chess competition.

  • @amandanorris8
    @amandanorris8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yeah I read this recently. And you are right.. none of “SA” stuff or the sexist stuff definitely didn’t feel real.. however I totally enjoyed reading this BECAUSE of how ubsurd it was.. i totally read the misogyny as a comedy..I don’t think I would have enjoyed this at all if I hadn’t believed in the wrong marketing 😂
    I disagree with so much of the political “themes” of this book. With the evil bishop and the evil dad.. “hahahah Christianity is evil”
    Idk.. everything is so absurdly 1 dimensional …. It makes me think this literally is how modern misogynistic males believe this is how feminist women actually think. (Im a victim/i refuse to be a victim/im a victim/Im morally better than you. ) 😂😂😂 and the erging?? Like what did that bring to the story?

  • @amymasi9110
    @amymasi9110 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I almost stopped listening to this book because it was so annoying. I felt as if the story was constructed around historical bullet points, and the staccato presentation felt like an assault. I don't think it is a masterful story, I have zero empathy for the main character, she is plastic and unmovable. It's a cute idea, involving chemistry and the mysogeny characteristic of that time period, but not well executed. Maisel is a good comparison, but wildly successful because the main character struggles and grows, and the comedic elements are the characters around her (her parents) that until the last season, refuse to change. I know the story is being adapted for a series with some plot changes and additional characters. I'm not sold on it though.

  • @brianandrea3249
    @brianandrea3249 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    After watching reading the book and watching the series had to find out what others reactions were. As a 60+ year old male, I absolutely loved both and disagree with your interpretation. Throughout my early and working life I have watched too many brilliant women being held back and it makes my blood boil. This book puts a magnifying glass in many issues related to sexism, and as such is very important. Mind you, if the Elizabeth Zott character was real and as inspiring as she is portrayed, we would have had at least one woman president by now.

  • @AmyLazer
    @AmyLazer ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I dislike this book but I disagree with a lot of statements made here. I feel as though the book falls short on so many points because the book is written on the level of a 6th grader's fanfiction. Regarding the SA, I feel as though it was very realistic because these situations are very common and happen nowadays (Re garding the professor and the police), but the dialogue seems clunky only because the writing is BAD.
    In my opinion the the book wasn't trying to make all (most) men out to be misogynists, this book is literally about a woman in the stem field in the 60s and in my experience as a woman in the stem field, misogyny absolutely still happens. I think the book is just very immaturely written which makes this come off as really on the nose and unnatural.
    I'm going to just round up my point, a lot of your criticisms are purely because the author has the comprehension of a 6th grade fanfiction. I know I made this point before but it's just true. The book comes off as very white-feministy and corporate.
    (also I'm not triggered by SA or anything but a trigger warning would've seriously been warranted in the book. I really don't want to read an explicit detailing of an assault.)

  • @ashleymitchell8344
    @ashleymitchell8344 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    watching this review is like CRAZY for me because it’s like you were in my brain lmao!!! every single one of your points is something i complained to my boyfriend about via text while reading this book, right down to the Sweden paragraph which I sent him bc I was so like “the social reforms were in the 70s” anyways i also thought it was like the big bang theory if it hit you over the head with feminism… which like i’m a feminist but ugh. it felt cartoonish

  • @d.ingram6264
    @d.ingram6264 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I hate it when young women show no respect for the generations of women who lived through this this time and enabled you to have the ability to have this condescending podcast

  • @bethloubet4650
    @bethloubet4650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I do agree about the advanced reading and a necessary lack of understanding in a small child. I have to say, though, that I was reading Dostoevsky, The Robe, The Sound and the Fury, Dumas, Tolstoy in elementary school. It does happen. Did I really understand them? No. But I did read them.

  • @lee_rayyy58
    @lee_rayyy58 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    25:06 definitely agree with the way the daughter is depicted. She reminds of a less realistic Lisa Simpson. Lisa Simpson is a very gifted and brilliant child and yet she is still very much a child with child interests. The daughter could have been shown to be extremely intelligent while also liking child themed books. Or rather, maybe a mid grade book

  • @ilovelucytheboston
    @ilovelucytheboston ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m half way through and struggling. The soap boxiness plus my extreme dislike about reading about science is ruining it for me.

  • @chowfalp
    @chowfalp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dropped this like it was hot

  • @Cooper9281
    @Cooper9281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    100 percent agree with you! I only got through 20 percent of the book. It definitely was not for me.

  • @annalisitsyna7741
    @annalisitsyna7741 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Completely agree with most of the criticisms :) The lack of nuance and subtlety is glaring, and the depiction of sexism with no attempt to hide all the time is strange and seems unrealistic. The character does feel like a transplant of a modern woman, rather than someone who was raised and lived a life in the world of the novel.
    Small aside and nitpick, not a serious disagreement - I literally know a kid who read "War and Peace" at 8 and enjoyed it very much. Not sure why exactly they enjoyed it or how much they understood about the deeper subject matter, but they did actually read, understand and like it.

  • @JoelAdamson
    @JoelAdamson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    09:47 Maybe it really happened to the author that way. Not that I know anything about the author, but a classic beginning writer mistake (and not that the author is a beginner) is to write autobiographical details as they happened. It always sounds fake and the student always replies "but it really happened that way." I don't know, just an idea.

    • @jkpiowa
      @jkpiowa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had this same thought - crazier things have happened.

    • @LienesLibrary
      @LienesLibrary  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That something kinda sorta like it happened, sure, but two things we know for a fact would have to be different - the author is too young for this to have happened to her in this time period and the author never studied sciences at a grad level so she would never have been in a lab as a student late at night
      the thing that makes scenes, characters, etc work is to do with the details of how they are presented and described and the details are what make the scene she’s written feel inauthentic. The basic situation of a student being in a lab late at night, being assaulted, fighting back with a pencil, and then not being believed - that 100% sounds plausible to me. It is the details of the scene’s progression that make it not believable.

    • @JoelAdamson
      @JoelAdamson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@LienesLibrary Yeah, maybe not all the details are real. What's weird is that transcribing actual events usually sound totally fake in the way you describe, except for some skilled memoirists. My take is always that it's better to read a skillfully crafted fictional scene than some author insert moment. The other things you mention always gall me, especially in movies about scientists, like The Imitation Game. The cliche of scientists who can't read social cues always bites writers on the ass, because it's almost always relationships that get people in trouble and are the basis of story. Real scientists aren't like that (I was a scientist). I've met a few Sheldons and even a few outright crackpots, but they are incredibly rare. Even the people who look like the nerdy stereotype don't live up to it once you talk to them. It's sad that such a book could get through the publication process.

  • @socialteaist
    @socialteaist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yeah, I also kinda hated this one. I was really looking forward to it, but it was terrible for all the reasons you mentioned. The doctor and her neighbor were also just way too on the nose.

  • @user-bl2wu4pr6b
    @user-bl2wu4pr6b ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are you bleeping out??

  • @Sophmorical
    @Sophmorical ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This book was so bad! Also the character who dreamed of being an open heart surgeon when she was a child, but open heart surgery barely existed during the time period of the book.

    • @heyitsgess874
      @heyitsgess874 ปีที่แล้ว

      also female scientists barely existed, buttttt… yk 😂

    • @logirex
      @logirex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      First successful heart surgery was 130 years ago. Obviously there was heart surgery in the 60s 🤦‍♂

    • @brettknoss486
      @brettknoss486 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@logirex The first successful CABG surgery was in 1964, the first successful heart transplant was in 1966. Before that heart surgery was far less successful and open heart surgery was mostly uncommon.

  • @mateeah
    @mateeah ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I felt the same way, the characters were so unbelievable and I found the writing very cliche, especially the dialogue.

  • @kathykrol5942
    @kathykrol5942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You are crazy, i is a wonderful book, you need lessons in books.

  • @PaulaKeller_BR549
    @PaulaKeller_BR549 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for saving me from this. I read the beginning few chapters and dreaded the rest. Could not make myself complete it because everyone was so unlikable. I skipped to the end of the book and finished with a big old eye roll, glad I haven't trudged through the middle.

  • @johnsaxongitno4life588
    @johnsaxongitno4life588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I needed this video as i am laughing 😂 already love it 🥰 love you and your amazing channel please stay safe and enjoy your reading love your number one Australia fan John xxxx

  • @annajo6576
    @annajo6576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    While I love your channel, I often disagree with most of your opinions (lol) but THIS BOOK. THIS. BOOK. 100% agree with everything you said. I truly do not understand this book!

  • @epiphoney
    @epiphoney 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's on Apple tv now. It's very dramatic, but not very plausible, but that's most tv shows. My Mom likes more happy shows. I hear the author doesn't like the pink cover on the book.

  • @markec123
    @markec123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hated this book!

  • @Maxfeatherstries
    @Maxfeatherstries 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can I ask you something, Liene? Why do you suddenly bleep yourself uselessly? Is this an American thing again? Why does rape need to be bleeped? I'm genuinly curious. :3

    • @suzannewdowik
      @suzannewdowik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm not Liene, but I believe a video can get demonetized if rape or sexual assault is mentioned out loud

    • @Maxfeatherstries
      @Maxfeatherstries 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@suzannewdowik Thank you. :3 Don't understand the reasoning behind that, but youtube be youtube. XD

    • @logirex
      @logirex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are surprised that a woman who goes on about trigger warnings bleeps out the words rape or assault ? 🤦‍♂

    • @Maxfeatherstries
      @Maxfeatherstries 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @logirex Yes? I'm a woman with eh... shall we say a history with rape and sexual assault. Should I be triggered by these words ? I think these are important subjects to talk about and deserve to be recognised. This way it becomes a taboo and people may become even more ashamed of being raped...
      I'm very sorry Liene that this has been dug up again on one of your vids, but it seems I find this important enough to defend.
      I'll shut up now. :3

  • @jeppehauge4520
    @jeppehauge4520 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasn't gonna read this, but kind of want to hate-read it now...

  • @skye497
    @skye497 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think you have missed the point of this book, you criticise it for the exact reasons that make it so good. Your stance on the femminist themes especially the way you question eg obvious sexism and the way people were treated in the 60s comes across sheltered. As a sociology student who studies societies sexims I think it was very clever and well written. Some of your criticism doesn't make lots of sense like you've criticised this book for being overly political and femminist though thats whats described on the blurb.
    Alot of Elizabeth's experiences of sexsim in achdemia and the work place reflect my own and alot of the women I know, so even if this book is set in the 60s (an objectively more sexist time) I think it also perfectly describes some aspects of contemporary sexism. Like the main character I have also been called a secretary by my only male class mate.

  • @dubbingsync
    @dubbingsync 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like if the story was just a story about a cooking show it could have been tolerable… I liked those scenes. Everything else… oh boy. Why was that there?

  • @mhatt9773
    @mhatt9773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The first thing I thought of when I read the plot summary was Nick Hornby's 'Funny Girl.' But that book understands both life in the '60s and the workings of television production, so I guess I owe Hornby an apology.

  • @pandareads
    @pandareads 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    as a Swede I am disappointed in this book

    • @pandareads
      @pandareads 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it takes like 2 seconds to google

    • @LienesLibrary
      @LienesLibrary  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that's the level of effort here 🥲

  • @courtneykidd6868
    @courtneykidd6868 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Seems like you have a genuine lack of understanding of literature. Also, don't speak on the Marvelous Mrs Maisal unless you've seen it, both of these aptly discuss the issues women faced throughout history. Maybe stick with YA literature and you'll be satisfied.

  • @HouseHooligan
    @HouseHooligan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am anxious on your behalf; if it is the Peter Pan retelling I think it is, I read a sample chapter and the writing was ✨awful✨. 😬
    As always, appreciate you taking one for the team so we didn’t waste our time here. 😂

  • @seustaceRotterdam
    @seustaceRotterdam ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tried to read and gave up, too much woke at the beginning and the science part was atrocious, I am a chemistry graduate I know

  • @vgutierrez9020
    @vgutierrez9020 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Exactly right about this book. The weird “this character personality fits this scene so I’m going to write them like this and differently in another” is definitely one of the things I did not like about this book. The on the nose commentary too.
    Another possible anachronism: When they’re talking about who the Godfather is then the Mad asks “Because of organized crime?” I don’t think Godfathers were associated with mafias and organized crime before Mario Puzo’s The Godfather came out? I could definitely be wrong, but there is no way a kid would know unless she read that book in 1969.

  • @kathykrol5942
    @kathykrol5942 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    wonderful book 5/5.

  • @angelaholmes8888
    @angelaholmes8888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just finished reading Billy summers by Stephen king I absolutely had a blast reading it the book reminds me of the movie the professional and the girl with the dragon tattoo it's king at his best ⭐👍

  • @spencerhayes4655
    @spencerhayes4655 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I feel about this video the way you feel about the book, except I can articulate succinctly.

  • @yuechang2330
    @yuechang2330 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm going to attend my first bookclub, book to discuss is Lessons in Chemistry, I'm so nervous that I don't like it at all. It's too unrealistic, more like a bad fantasy book to me, hard to relate.

  • @ginnynilsen5106
    @ginnynilsen5106 ปีที่แล้ว

    No not bad review

  • @isi__1
    @isi__1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tbh, her soapboxing about being fired from her job for being pregnant - even if they wouldn't fire a man for fathering a child - makes even less sense when you think about what her job actually is.
    I'm not saying they didn't do it for sexist reasons, obviously, but similar things happen today for safety reasons - maybe not by immediately firing somebody but by excluding them from work.
    I mean, it obviously depends on the country you're from but from the perspective of a German pharmacy student, it seems very inconsiderate - especially for someone who's supposed to be ultra smart - to not be able to see the difference between BEING pregnant and making someone pregnant, specifically in her field of work.
    At the beginning of the first semester, every female student had to sign a paper, acknowledging that we had to notify our leading chemistry professor if we got pregnant, the result being that we wouldn't be able to take part in any lab work as per usual (even if it meant we had to repeat a semester if they couldn't find a workaround).
    Obviously, none of the guys in my semester had to sign this paper. My uni didn't do this for any sexist reasons, though. It'd just be way too dangerous for the baby if it got exposed to many of the chemicals we're working with and could result in miscarriage or disability.
    My uni could get the shit sued out of them if they allowed a pregnant woman to handle certain chemicals which could end up affecting the baby.

    • @isi__1
      @isi__1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know why this one specific thing got me so worked up, LMAO. Maybe because it's something I have actual experience with, HAHAHA. I just needed to rant after the last few days didn't end up working out as planned

    • @LienesLibrary
      @LienesLibrary  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      no worries, the book had me pretty worked up as well

    • @amymasi9110
      @amymasi9110 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I worked in a research lab through all 3 of my pregnancies, and traveled to speak on my research. My duties were not restricted during my pregnancy, I just used increased safety precautions. In the US, during that time period, women were fired for being pregnant from all sorts of jobs, so that part is very true. Currently it is against the law to fire a woman or exclude her from her job simply for being pregnant. I have taught in US pharmacy schools and have has pregnant students. They do just fine.

    • @isi__1
      @isi__1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amymasi9110 Oh, alright. Like I said, different countries come with different safety regulations. I've never studied anywhere else & this is how it's handled over here, so this is just the experience I have and not a universal truth.
      I still think it's a little non-sensical for the main character to not be able to see a difference between handling possibly dangerous chemicals while being pregnant, compared to someone who isn't pregnant, though. :)

    • @heyitsgess874
      @heyitsgess874 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like a really sexist thing to say 😘

  • @JoelAdamson
    @JoelAdamson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Clearly this is where writing is going. At least bad writing 😆

  • @akilabianca4455
    @akilabianca4455 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I enjoyed your review so much. I absolutely hated this book, but for some reason I love hating it 😆 you’re getting a follow from me.

  • @brookedannar242
    @brookedannar242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:00 perfect explanation

  • @stayalivefan
    @stayalivefan ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed worst book ever

  • @margaretharris3767
    @margaretharris3767 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant book 5 stars!! full of truth listen up woman!!!

  • @kitfash
    @kitfash ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your review. This is exactly what I dislike in books. I will not waste my time bon it.

  • @RebekahParkhurst
    @RebekahParkhurst 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s a bad book. Bad writing. Bad characters. Bad plot. Just nothing to offer.

  • @lisaclark9096
    @lisaclark9096 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely agree! This was exactly what I thought when I read it. She has no story arc herself, and every man but one is portrayed a monster or incompetent. The author’s interview question absolutely floored me too. That was the only place in the book I laughed…at the author’s obtuseness.

  • @floydwilliams497
    @floydwilliams497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liene darling can you explain something to me, math is not my strong point, but my curiosity simply can't be helped, and not that the numbers matter anyway because it's your perceptions on these books that I show up to see but...how do you already have 23 views on a video that's 39 minutes and 48 seconds long, that you posted like 7 minutes ago? I'm assuming it's those inner workings of TH-cam that I just haven't learned yet, maybe your patreons got it early and already watched it and still counts or something, I was just curious.

    • @MeMyshelfAndI
      @MeMyshelfAndI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not Liene, but...
      There are settings that let you watch faster (2x within TH-cam itself, you can go much higher with downloaded extensions; I rarely watch any booktubers at

    • @floydwilliams497
      @floydwilliams497 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MeMyshelfAndI Oh okay, I thought it may be something like that, Thanks!

    • @Allenro711
      @Allenro711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It could also be what you said. Some YTubers do an early release of their videos for subscribers/patreons etc.

    • @K2tita
      @K2tita ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish I had watched this review before or even better instead of listening to the audio version of the book. I agree with all your critique points. The agressiv anti religious sentiment was also anoying for me. But mostly anoying I found the reply the main character gave to a vegetarian viewer, something like: "plants are alive too". Ist that really the most scientific thing to answer? What about plants not having a nervous system, or the fact that you need to "kill" many plants to produce meat (now a days you need 10 kgs of soy tho produce one kg of beef) so there is a substacial diference in terms of creating like ten times more "plant suffering" plus the animal suffering, when you decide to eat meat instead of eating plantbased only. I found the characters reply just super ignorant. How am I going to believe that woman is a genious?

  • @kaitlynslucher9257
    @kaitlynslucher9257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This book sounds awful. I can imagine all the eye rolls this book gave you. 🙄 I also got that Peter pan retelling. Curious on that review.

    • @LienesLibrary
      @LienesLibrary  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here’s hoping it’s good!

    • @heyitsgess874
      @heyitsgess874 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it’s actually a really good book! you should give it a try.

  • @jaronsurf
    @jaronsurf ปีที่แล้ว

    Have not read this book, however I have heard a lot about it from my brothers who are still in high school (I graduated last year). So apparently our school decided to replace a book with this one which is absolutely horrible. They basically told me that is was just another feminist complaining that they can't do something because society.

  • @arlissbunny
    @arlissbunny 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great rant!!

  • @urmom.com___
    @urmom.com___ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now I only watched the show, but still I completely agree with the no from me. I loved episode one, with the set up for the plot and plans on how Elizabeth would combine both her love of science and cooking. However, episode two RUINED it for me. The SA plot didn’t even matter whenever they both fell in love and I personally believe that falling in love that quickly after they talk about it for two seconds? No thank you. I hate stories that focus on the romance (when there shouldn’t even be one imo) instead of the characters themselves.

  • @suzannewdowik
    @suzannewdowik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    16:53 this is so funny to me because I was literally just thinking before this part, "ugh, using innuendos and getting upset when the other person doesn't understand your deeper unspoken meaning. I HATE it when neurotypicals do that."
    Not to say that it's impossible for autistic people to speak in code like that, but it's pretty prevalent in the community to dislike it when people don't take what you say at face value, and some autistic people struggle to catch the double meaning in what allistics say.