One of the things I love about Marine as the stuff she talks about she presents it as if it's just completely normal and logical and commonplace in her own mind and then stuff like the store clerk being taken aback by what Marine was asking just makes it all the better.
Well, really it should be. Sexual repression is a huge mental health drain, feeling ashamed about harmless desires isn't good for you. Maybe it would be weird to bring it up with strangers, but so would sitting down next to someone and asking what their favorite food is, but food isn't stigmatized.
@generic name Fate started off as erotic visual novels so it's not that strange that it's returned there with it becoming fodder for ero-doujinshi. Sort of fitting in my opinion to be honest.
Sorry for the reupload guys and if you were in the middle of watching the previous version of this. I got some BL terminology wrong and figured it's only right to fix it for the 4.7% of my viewers who are fujoshi **tips fedora** inb4simp
It's chats like that that make me super into her. We're basically the same age (middle school when Reborn got popular) and her being so honest give me loads of nostalgic fuzzies!!
Marine's knowledge of BL and her Shin-chan story are pretty interesting and funny, but I'm impressed the most at her ability to color hair so well so fast. That Okayu she's drawing looks so cute.
I absolutely love that Marine is the girl heading for what is essentially the "miscellaneous" category. After seeing a few of these wonderfully-translated videos I have a suggestion: when you use the word "delusion" I think that might be better translated to "fantasy," as in having a fantasy in one's imagination, like daydreaming. Delusion tends to mean that a person is fooled or thinks things that are not true and it's harmful to them. Love your videos, your vids have made me love Marine more and more.
? I think omegaverse is probably from japanese . . . I might be wrong but someone told me that it's from BL manga . . . I've read many BL with omegaverse genre
@@kolapsg7748 as far as I know, the concept of the omegaverse was born on western erotic books, inspired by an outdated investigation about wolf behavior (the one that wrongly said that packs have a strict hierarchy lead by an alpha). Lindsay Ellis made a pretty good video about the topic.
Japanese doujin culture is so fucking advanced. I would be so shocked if I just rolled up on nhentai and saw masterclass subjects like snuffkin and nyoro nyoro
I understand that only reading doujins of a series on a spiritual level. I've never played Kancolle, Touhou, or idolmaster yet I've read hundreds of their doujins
Wow, that niche section at Mandarake sounds like a treasure trove(maybe). I really wish my country got a store like that. Imagine finding some hidden jewels in that section
I feel like I _shouldn't_ be as surprised as I am that there's porn of the Hattifatteners/Nyoro Nyoro, considering they're basically a species of living electric tentacles.
1:41 OWHH I'VE READ A FEW FICS ABOUT AOT OMEGAVERSE. the english part of fandom just tends to like to put a twist to things e.g. they show omegaverse in a royal and/or corrupt setting or subvert the expectation like levi can be an alpha in this fic but he won't be up in your ass about it coz that's just OOC at that point lolol or like scent/heat suppressants or something and no one knows each others a/b/o status & stuff. but i also like the good ol' omega levi too. I'm just sayin'
You killing it with these long video translations man. Thank you so much for giving the shorter versions of these more context! Im mad i went to subscribe and realized i was already a sub lmao.
Normally, i wouldn't argue with senchou, but on this one point, i REALLY cant see what shes getting at. Even by fujoushi standards its pretty out there to consider Snufkin ecchi.
@@LazurBeemz Ok, now that does give another aspect to it. Having grown up in sweden and heard only the "original" voices on Snusmumriken (as he is called here) i would like to say it was a rather surprising choice of VA for him :o
@@bell5369 the later "Moomin" that made it pretty well internationally was indeed an all japanese production, but the stories about Mumindalen was originally written down in swedish (preferred language of the author) and most animation/puppet/actor kids shows of it i have seen has been made here in sweden, usually recorded in swedish with a noticable finnish accent.
god hibatsuna... so nostalgic!! i still ship em till now, i mean... my main reason for shipping them is because of the plot hole following hibari's change of attitude toward tsuna in future arc, like really, what happen in those 10 years that make hibari tsuna's secret right hand man??? like man... hibari's secretly so loyal to future tsuna
That stuff at the store was hilarious, damn, Senchou is wild, I kinda understand now her reaction with Shota Flare voice, I think she's the most rotten Holo, because the yabai Holo can be disputed with Sui-chan and Haachama
Hopefully you won't be like some people on Hololive community that ship the girls too much. I meet a certain person that is so toxic when shipping at this community lol.
Its amazing how omegaverse evolved lmfao. It got imported to japan, and we are now at hetero omegaverse (which btw is amazing, its like partiarchy squared) lawsuit arc. I love how ridiculous it gets.
She loves HxH as a fan and BL is just the bonus from what I see. She is a fan of Togashi from his work of YYH and she even said to Tamaki that she will give HxH 10/10 when it ended( if it happens)
damn she dropped symphonia because not enough bl? a shame cuz that game's great. also moomin yaoi doujin is a level of degeneracy i never thought was even possible
Shipping Kurapika x Chrollo and Kazuma x Shin-Chan There's a reason they're called "Rotten Women" lol On the other hand Marine has a talent for making arguably replusive content sound interesting.
A kind of genre where there's this Alpha and Omega dynamic (and some other variations), where the Omegas go into heat from time to time and are able to become pregnant, often belonging to lower classes since they're just "used" for mating; and then there's the Alphas: dominant, from the high class or even royalty and the ones who mate with omegas. So this "it makes sense for a strong or serious character to become submissive if you put it in Omegaverse scenarios" is mostly because they were "born to be submissive" in case they are born omegas.
"It doesn't make sense if someone that strong is on the receiving end, right?" Have fujoshi never heard of power-bottoms? Even the strongest man has a prostate. I hate the fujo misconception that bottoming is something you get forced into.
In BL nowadays there's actually a thing called 襲い受け, basically "attacking uke", which features the uke taking the initiative and even being the dominant one in situations. So there is a surprising amount of fujoshi into what we'd consider power bottoms, especially in the fandoms I'm in. But Marine is more of a classic fujoshi in the sense of her being into prettyboys and shota so it makes sense she'd take a submissive uke to be more normal. Hope that helps.
@@kitsuizo8324 Doubt its new, Marine just probably forgetting the word for it and the fact as you said she's probably the classic fujoshi who likes Prettyboys x Coolboys or Prettyboys x Shota for example Love Stage or Princess Princess, also in Yuri its also been a thing for a while where the woman is supposed to be Seme (aka the more boyish,prince like) the one being attacked by a Uke (more womanly) in short dominating a strong char. is generally popular because of the gap moe since they aren't supposed to act like cute etc for what their personality supposed to be.
It's mostly a thing about being out of character rather than just being strong. But also it is still a stereotype and pretty common for most to just fall into the "stronger/manlier = top/seme" and "bishonen/weak character = bottom/submissive/uke" even though power bottoms and bara still exist
She's talked about this before, and it really just boils down to "Oh yeah I basically always read more 'forceful' BLs and I forgot those existed". Marine is great but she always has a bad habit of assuming personal experiences are universal.
“It doesn’t make sense if someone that strong is on the receiving end, right?” As a bisexual dude, on one hand I appreciate that fujoshis are basically girls who are celebrating gay male relationships. But on another hand, stuff like this makes it feel twisted and heteronormative. It can be more subtle/harmless like this, but can also get worse. That sort of feeling of being fetishized under a heteronormative lens, not a fan.
if you want a real answer... fujoshi often use BL as a sexual outlet because being sexual in any way is so stigmatized in japan for women. the term "fujoshi" was originally an insult from men who thought that the women enjoying BL were now "rotten" (fujoshi literally means "rotten woman") and unsuitable for being a perfect wife. it was reclaimed and is now used as a personal label, so fujoshi embrace their sexuality via the use of BL. most yuri, however, is geared toward men. in addition, most porn in general is made with men in mind. so when men can (for the most part) basically consume whatever porn they want without being judged, and because most yuri is made for a male audience, yuri as a genre is based heavily on the "purity" of a relationship between two girls, whereas BL is used more often as an outlet for discovering and expressing ones own sexuality in a society where girls are expected to basically repress and hide as much of their horniness as possible.
Fs in the chat for all the crewmates in the AU where Marine got her ship during her sexual peak years that signed on without knowing that they'd be making love to each other while Senchou watches more often than making love to Senchou herself.
Omegaverse is basically a set of tropes/universe that is used in a lot of romantic fan fictions (especially bl) so yes it is probably the same one you are talking about.
Whether it's against your morals, you can't change the fact that it's a fascinating topic. I for one don't like this genre but I like hearing how fujoshi's brain works, how they got into this genre. As long as they are not committing crimes It's good for me same with loli lovers.
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I love how real Marine is with her viewers.
Honestly! It’s really fun when she just goes on about stuff like this
marine is a real pirate.
look at how many ships she has she could found a shipping company.
Both Marine and Aqua have sailing motifs in their characters and both are big into shipping.
One of the things I love about Marine as the stuff she talks about she presents it as if it's just completely normal and logical and commonplace in her own mind and then stuff like the store clerk being taken aback by what Marine was asking just makes it all the better.
Well, really it should be. Sexual repression is a huge mental health drain, feeling ashamed about harmless desires isn't good for you. Maybe it would be weird to bring it up with strangers, but so would sitting down next to someone and asking what their favorite food is, but food isn't stigmatized.
@@curvingfyre6810 true
Marine has an established head canon of Magi based entirely around BL doujinshi.
Relatable.
@generic name Fate started off as erotic visual novels so it's not that strange that it's returned there with it becoming fodder for ero-doujinshi. Sort of fitting in my opinion to be honest.
Sorry for the reupload guys and if you were in the middle of watching the previous version of this. I got some BL terminology wrong and figured it's only right to fix it for the 4.7% of my viewers who are fujoshi **tips fedora**
inb4simp
No worries, correcting your stuff should be commendable~
There's plenty who would just ignore it and leave it be.
I don't mind!
thats higher than i would expect tbh, tamaki-kun said he had 1.x% female viewers the other day i think
simp
What's the source of the Manga page you used for the end card?
"I didn't read the original work and I didn't watch the anime either, I only read doujinshi"
Relatable.
Yeah, I remember that I have read many doujinshis of the shows I haven't watch lol.
@@carldlerwest9867 same and a lot of doujinshi I read is from Fate series even though I didn't watch the anime itself
me at idolmaster
@@m.damarsr9863 Kantai collection and love live too lmao.
It is??
Marine's imagination is running wild
It's chats like that that make me super into her. We're basically the same age (middle school when Reborn got popular) and her being so honest give me loads of nostalgic fuzzies!!
3:48
holy cow she talked about ship so much her head started glitching
Marine's knowledge of BL and her Shin-chan story are pretty interesting and funny, but I'm impressed the most at her ability to color hair so well so fast. That Okayu she's drawing looks so cute.
Marine is truly a woman of culture
Somehow this topic is making the BGM sound more like a villain theme.
ive learned a lot of info that i didnt want to know, thank you marine
'Who are you to fall in love, Genuis?!' Lol
I absolutely love that Marine is the girl heading for what is essentially the "miscellaneous" category. After seeing a few of these wonderfully-translated videos I have a suggestion: when you use the word "delusion" I think that might be better translated to "fantasy," as in having a fantasy in one's imagination, like daydreaming. Delusion tends to mean that a person is fooled or thinks things that are not true and it's harmful to them. Love your videos, your vids have made me love Marine more and more.
It become even more cursed and makes me dead-eyed by more that okayu's art make progress
Oh no, Senchou knows about the omegaverse, and here I was thinking it was a thing confined within western fandoms
? I think omegaverse is probably from japanese . . . I might be wrong but someone told me that it's from BL manga . . . I've read many BL with omegaverse genre
@@kolapsg7748 as far as I know, the concept of the omegaverse was born on western erotic books, inspired by an outdated investigation about wolf behavior (the one that wrongly said that packs have a strict hierarchy lead by an alpha).
Lindsay Ellis made a pretty good video about the topic.
@@kiss-shot_is_bae ah then it's from western but there is a lot of omegaverse manga now so it's not weird if senchou know that thing . . . .
Pretty sure omegaverse came from teen wolf or supernatural or something like that.
Omegaverse has been a thing in Yaoi for decades
Marine is an international treasure. She’s so real
Japanese doujin culture is so fucking advanced. I would be so shocked if I just rolled up on nhentai and saw masterclass subjects like snuffkin and nyoro nyoro
This is even funnier when you can read the confused and horrified comments from JP viewers
I was completely fine with all the Senchou Logic throuought the video until 12:00 I had a visible wtf moment there
Oh hey, Eirin made a shady new drug
I understand that only reading doujins of a series on a spiritual level. I've never played Kancolle, Touhou, or idolmaster yet I've read hundreds of their doujins
Touhou is like 1% original content and 99% fanart, music arranges and doujins
Wow, that niche section at Mandarake sounds like a treasure trove(maybe). I really wish my country got a store like that. Imagine finding some hidden jewels in that section
I feel like I _shouldn't_ be as surprised as I am that there's porn of the Hattifatteners/Nyoro Nyoro, considering they're basically a species of living electric tentacles.
so cultured even a weeb like me cant fully understand
Am I the only one who watched her draw? It's awesome
Talking about Reborn BL made me die inside and let out a groan of pain.
ありがとう
The power of pairing and fujoshi
2:20 SAME, MARINEEEEEE
Fujoshi and Yuri fans work in the same logic. It only takes one good panel and that ship is seaworthy! Thanks for the upload!
5:33 wild Okayu takes a peek.
1:41 Doujin-wise... I've read 1 omegaverse one. it's one where he lactates or something wwww
alt. title: this is how rule 34 works. lol
I like that credit page at the end there. just finished chainsaw man, hyped for part 2
1:41 OWHH I'VE READ A FEW FICS ABOUT AOT OMEGAVERSE. the english part of fandom just tends to like to put a twist to things e.g. they show omegaverse in a royal and/or corrupt setting or subvert the expectation like levi can be an alpha in this fic but he won't be up in your ass about it coz that's just OOC at that point lolol or like scent/heat suppressants or something and no one knows each others a/b/o status & stuff. but i also like the good ol' omega levi too. I'm just sayin'
woman of culture
6:13 😭😭😭😭😭😭
You killing it with these long video translations man. Thank you so much for giving the shorter versions of these more context!
Im mad i went to subscribe and realized i was already a sub lmao.
Talking about gay ships while drawing a catgirl in heat. Where the fuck did cover find this lady lmao
2:38 hello oyatsu official channel fellow eruri fan in the chat hello
This explains why most bl lovers are good at drawing or good artist. Their creativity is on another level.
Love listening to Marine's fujoshi talks lol, thanks for the TL 🙏
I guess I’ve never really thought about whether or not Snuffkin is ecchi.. but if senchou says so, who am I to argue?
Normally, i wouldn't argue with senchou, but on this one point, i REALLY cant see what shes getting at. Even by fujoushi standards its pretty out there to consider Snufkin ecchi.
@@Bulletmoaf remember that he's voice by Takehito Koyasu in Japan (Dio Brando's voice actor).
@@LazurBeemz Ok, now that does give another aspect to it. Having grown up in sweden and heard only the "original" voices on Snusmumriken (as he is called here) i would like to say it was a rather surprising choice of VA for him :o
@@bell5369 the later "Moomin" that made it pretty well internationally was indeed an all japanese production, but the stories about Mumindalen was originally written down in swedish (preferred language of the author) and most animation/puppet/actor kids shows of it i have seen has been made here in sweden, usually recorded in swedish with a noticable finnish accent.
god hibatsuna... so nostalgic!! i still ship em till now, i mean... my main reason for shipping them is because of the plot hole following hibari's change of attitude toward tsuna in future arc, like really, what happen in those 10 years that make hibari tsuna's secret right hand man??? like man... hibari's secretly so loyal to future tsuna
Seems that BL loves and GL lovers are quite the same. All about the art to wear thick goggles, praying that the ship of our interest becomes canon.
The other day I found a marine h manga. Didn’t even search it out. It found me/
That stuff at the store was hilarious, damn, Senchou is wild, I kinda understand now her reaction with Shota Flare voice, I think she's the most rotten Holo, because the yabai Holo can be disputed with Sui-chan and Haachama
I've seen Futa x Tsuna
me too!!!
She loves hxh and i love it
if i look BL i run
I’m really glad I never fell into the shipper hole. It would be sad if I couldn’t enjoy stuff if I couldn’t ship the characters
Hopefully you won't be like some people on Hololive community that ship the girls too much. I meet a certain person that is so toxic when shipping at this community lol.
@@weddenherldharlbor1722 Is it a certain someone in the comment section?
@@itzpatrick2450 maybe
i mean if i was that staff and someone asked that i would get creeped out
I think It was mostly because she's a girl that the guy was surprised about
I'm into GL btw
The imagination of a hardcore BL lover baba is immeasurable
Not really. I've seen plenty of fanfic read by bored housewives.
Its amazing how omegaverse evolved lmfao. It got imported to japan, and we are now at hetero omegaverse (which btw is amazing, its like partiarchy squared) lawsuit arc. I love how ridiculous it gets.
And here I thought she liked HxH just for the plot... Fujoshi are quite the voracious kind.
She loves HxH as a fan and BL is just the bonus from what I see. She is a fan of Togashi from his work of YYH and she even said to Tamaki that she will give HxH 10/10 when it ended( if it happens)
>google omegaverse
>regret to ever be born
jesus, marine-chan wtf is that?! how can you know such abomination?
??? is omegaverse that scary?
there are some wholesome omegaverse for example "tadaima okaeri" (I hope I didn't spell that wrong)
damn she dropped symphonia because not enough bl? a shame cuz that game's great. also moomin yaoi doujin is a level of degeneracy i never thought was even possible
Shipping Kurapika x Chrollo and Kazuma x Shin-Chan
There's a reason they're called "Rotten Women" lol
On the other hand Marine has a talent for making arguably replusive content sound interesting.
what's omegaverse?
A kind of genre where there's this Alpha and Omega dynamic (and some other variations), where the Omegas go into heat from time to time and are able to become pregnant, often belonging to lower classes since they're just "used" for mating; and then there's the Alphas: dominant, from the high class or even royalty and the ones who mate with omegas.
So this "it makes sense for a strong or serious character to become submissive if you put it in Omegaverse scenarios" is mostly because they were "born to be submissive" in case they are born omegas.
@@chaoticidiot404 wow ... Kind wild. But, man also have degenerate genre too like futa.
i....just realized that kurapika is a male....
H3NT4I artists be like:
Gud editing nigga
"It doesn't make sense if someone that strong is on the receiving end, right?" Have fujoshi never heard of power-bottoms? Even the strongest man has a prostate. I hate the fujo misconception that bottoming is something you get forced into.
Exactly, when you’re strong and powerful that feeling of vulnerability and being dominated would become more intense
In BL nowadays there's actually a thing called 襲い受け, basically "attacking uke", which features the uke taking the initiative and even being the dominant one in situations. So there is a surprising amount of fujoshi into what we'd consider power bottoms, especially in the fandoms I'm in. But Marine is more of a classic fujoshi in the sense of her being into prettyboys and shota so it makes sense she'd take a submissive uke to be more normal. Hope that helps.
@@kitsuizo8324 Doubt its new, Marine just probably forgetting the word for it and the fact as you said she's probably the classic fujoshi who likes Prettyboys x Coolboys or Prettyboys x Shota for example Love Stage or Princess Princess, also in Yuri its also been a thing for a while where the woman is supposed to be Seme (aka the more boyish,prince like) the one being attacked by a Uke (more womanly) in short dominating a strong char. is generally popular because of the gap moe since they aren't supposed to act like cute etc for what their personality supposed to be.
It's mostly a thing about being out of character rather than just being strong.
But also it is still a stereotype and pretty common for most to just fall into the "stronger/manlier = top/seme" and "bishonen/weak character = bottom/submissive/uke" even though power bottoms and bara still exist
She's talked about this before, and it really just boils down to "Oh yeah I basically always read more 'forceful' BLs and I forgot those existed".
Marine is great but she always has a bad habit of assuming personal experiences are universal.
“It doesn’t make sense if someone that strong is on the receiving end, right?”
As a bisexual dude, on one hand I appreciate that fujoshis are basically girls who are celebrating gay male relationships. But on another hand, stuff like this makes it feel twisted and heteronormative. It can be more subtle/harmless like this, but can also get worse. That sort of feeling of being fetishized under a heteronormative lens, not a fan.
Marine might be the type to drop my hero academia because deku didn’t pair with bakugou
Nah man, she trust in megaverse. If Bakugou and Deku won't pair, she will think that pair happen in another universe
Why does BL always sound so dirty compared to yuri
Because they're a bunch of rotten ladies. Part of following the road to becoming a 腐女子[Fujoshi]
Coz butt stuff. I think lol
if you want a real answer...
fujoshi often use BL as a sexual outlet because being sexual in any way is so stigmatized in japan for women. the term "fujoshi" was originally an insult from men who thought that the women enjoying BL were now "rotten" (fujoshi literally means "rotten woman") and unsuitable for being a perfect wife. it was reclaimed and is now used as a personal label, so fujoshi embrace their sexuality via the use of BL.
most yuri, however, is geared toward men. in addition, most porn in general is made with men in mind. so when men can (for the most part) basically consume whatever porn they want without being judged, and because most yuri is made for a male audience, yuri as a genre is based heavily on the "purity" of a relationship between two girls, whereas BL is used more often as an outlet for discovering and expressing ones own sexuality in a society where girls are expected to basically repress and hide as much of their horniness as possible.
>video is about shipping
hell yea
>"omegaverse"
fuck this, i'm out
Fs in the chat for all the crewmates in the AU where Marine got her ship during her sexual peak years that signed on without knowing that they'd be making love to each other while Senchou watches more often than making love to Senchou herself.
Surely "omegaverse" doesn't mean the same thing that tumblr had come up with for sherlock shipping, right?
Omegaverse is basically a set of tropes/universe that is used in a lot of romantic fan fictions (especially bl) so yes it is probably the same one you are talking about.
Hopefully you're not planning on dumping a huge amount of BL talk on us, it's probably the thing that least interests us
Speak for yourself, I love listening to Senchou talking about fujoshi topics and I'm sure many others do too.
@@O.S.U.V.I Same, she makes any topic fun and interesting.
I just like hearing senchou talking about stuff she likes.
Whether it's against your morals, you can't change the fact that it's a fascinating topic. I for one don't like this genre but I like hearing how fujoshi's brain works, how they got into this genre. As long as they are not committing crimes It's good for me same with loli lovers.