Long story short... I got to play the original proto-type of the SRV signature series that Stevie himself played on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson on July 6th, 1990. Larry Brookes worked at the Fender custom shop and built it. Larry was making a neck for me and I went to his house to pick it up. He asked "Did I ever show you that SRV guitar"? I said "NO"! He goes to his closet and gets it...he told me it was not Stevie's to keep, so when he passed away (RIP) it was sent back to Larry. He told me "those are the same strings that were on it since Stevie played it. I spent 45 minutes playing it! Right place - right time!
@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY I thought so...Larry is a ridiculously honest guy..... Larry made me a neck for my 1981 Walnut Strat so I wouldn't have to modify my original neck...rather expensive guitar.
@panzerlieb Yes...1981 Walnut Strat...all gold hardware...heavy as a tank! Obviously I kept the original neck and I have the neck Larry made on it...I've owned it for over 30 years now. I paid $1700 for it used way back then...don't know it's value these days...perfect mint condition 👌
This is one of those things where the subject is being overthought. Stevie played his guitar constantly! He probably was ok knowing the autograph was there at one point and could always tell the story so wasn't concerned about it staying on the guitar. Too many people have nothing better to do than speculate about insignificant things. He loved his guitar and played it, period.
I was a lead guitarist in several blues/rock bands in Tucson AZ during the late 80's thru the mid '00's; at one point I was in a recording studio, talking to a couple guys who had somehow been peripherally involved with one SRV tour, and sadly I can not remember much about them, or even which of the three studios we frequented when this happened (lots of good 'substances' in TooStoned back then), but I do know it was in the late 80's, '89 or '90. Anyway, the thing that I DO remember is them telling me that SRV pretty much NEVER played the REAL #1 on tour anymore, that he had at least one, if not several, virtually perfect copies of it. Some years later I read a Brian May interview wherein he stated he did the same thing, used a replica of the 'Red Special' on tour, so as to safe-keep the original; and since then, I've heard that many famous guitarist do this with their highly valued guitars, for fear of damage, or worst, theft. So, who knows where #1 REALLY is now; I'd suggest it's a safe bet it's NOT in the museum... As far as the autograph regarding the Fender replicas, it's possible that the Mantle estate may not have ALLOWED Fender to replicate Mickey's signature; or, SRV himself may have thought it would be improper to replicate, literally falsify, MM's signature simply for the sake of a Fender Custom Shop replica's accuracy. Who knows, and as far as I'm concerned, who cares? We know his guitar had it, more than likely Jimmy has the original #1, and we have all those stunning, incredible tracks of SRV's to listen to and marvel at... I personally think that's enough, although I do like this channel, and the total dedication of the host in researching her chosen subjects; kudos.
Wow thank you so much!!! I'm trying to get the audio to be *just perfect* haha I've been a total amateur when it comes to youtube and all of this! So glad to have you here!
Saw Stevie in Philadelphia at the Spectrum opening for the Moody Blues in 1983. Didn't know of Double Trouble before the show. Went out and bought Texas Flood the next day.
One thing I am picking up from your freeze frames is the paint patterns, there is less paint in 85 than 86 which makes me believe fender made him a copy and he retired #1.
One point I would like to make on why you don't find much info on Number1 having had Mantles autograph on it, is a lot of forums and web sites from the 90's we used to have and use and discussed this very topic.. are all gone and dead now with no hosting. There used to be photographers and people who were close to stage that took pictures from 85 through the end of the year tour and into 86 onwards, who shared private photos they took of Stevie and Number 1 when turned back facing us during solos.. and you could see the autograph start in bold sharpie outline. To the autograph getting more and more faded and worn. It did not last long. I know it's hard to think it will wear like that but when you are a guitar player like a lot of us are and have on stage experience where you're sweating under hot lights with your outfit on and guitar rubbing against you for a show. Guitars get abused when you're a hard working musician like that. And Stevie was playing every night almost with Number 1! The pictures these guys shared in the forums showed exactly that.. only the Mickey mantle part was the last to go everything above the "To Stevie" part.. was gone and faded. Just a light remmnant of Mickey Mantle was left. The only reason Lenny's Mickey sig lasted was he only played that guitar for 1 song each show maybe two maximum if they went into another impromptu song. Number 1 he played mostly each show and hard! I wish the old forums and sites were still up because it's hard to find those pictures anywhere now from those photographers private collections. Some were hired to take photos on tour some were just people who liked to document Stevies when they could go to one. But they were all great sources of documentation of his gutiras through the years and changes he made to them during them. And lots of us were deep into it back then we nerded out on it. I know you would have dug being able to see so many cool up close photos of his guitars and see way more detail than what you're able to find today. Again so much is lost today because those old forums and sites lost hosting and are gone! The Wayback Machine might have some stuff I haven't looked to be honest. But the pictures were better than trying to pause old bootleg video photoage as the video cameras back then were just horrid! If you can ever get in contact with anyone in the know of Stevies shows who took pictures through those years I'd try to get in contact with them to see if they'll share the pics again. I know lots were touchy about it because people even back in the early 90s were trying to make replicas to sell and Fender was the only one with an ongoing deal with Stevies family.
Live, long I. Not Liv. Live Alive was recorded at the Austin Opera House over 2 nights. I woop right in the middle of a song and it got on the vinyl. Very happy about that. People give that album a hard time but everyone had a good time being there. Only place I could find Willie the Wimp
No way it was carved out, the post-signature body has to be the original, nobody was doing that kind of relicing back then and SRV was never finicky about the way his guitars looked anyway. More likely the Mick used a standard marker, not a Sharpie. The way SRV played the sweat would have broken down the ink almost immediately, and even Sharpies wouldn't stand up to the acidity forever. As for Lenny, he didn't play that guitar live, the videos I've seen (eg Mocambo) he's playing Red for that song. As you noted, SRV was not easy on his instruments. It's a shame, but the signature is probably just lost forever. THAT SAID: love the video and thanks for the unique insights!
I think the signature was worn off...like you said, Stevie was constantly throwing that guitar over his shoulder, and even working tremolo bouncing the thing off the stage floor (Hendrix style)---he put that thing through hell. If Fender was to remake a replica with Mickey's signature; that guitar would be far out of reach of most consumers, because they (Fender) would have to pay Mickey's estate royalties for each guitar sold. Personally, I think the "replica" should be as the guitar Stevie played in 1990 the night his helicopter hit the hill in Wisconsin---which would be the signature (and paint where the signature sat) was worn off. Just my 2 cents.
SRV was hard on his guitars. If he took those hard knock memories with him, so be it in my mind. They were his treasures to begin with. I once had an extreme relic Tele with a sweet set up that I let go for a song. I often wonder who has it now. Thanks for the research & the content.
Call me crazy but I could swear I see remnants of the autograph at 15:40, left side of the screen. This being a sunburst model, there should be no black in the yellow/orange or red area of the guitar. It's very faint and partially obscured by the guitar stand but I think it's still there.
I found that in the biography book by Keri Leigh and BB King "Stevie Ray Soul To Soul" i would see different markings on his #1 different wear patterns on some of the later images of the guitar, I wish I could find it again it's no longer in my book collection it seems, but Ive often wondered if he had 2 #1's or the body swapped with a similar worn guitar IDK
Well I'm not the smartest guy in the the world, but it looks like to me it was rubbed off normal wear and tear. Thank you for the entertaining information. God Rest his soul
Omg you are awesome for many reasons,,but 1 us you beautiful heart to be upset for stevie ,that was amazing, then you have this bombshell?? I met his brother, seen stevie sober and not sober, Atlanta fox,omni with Beck,,his birthday is same as mine,,thank you for doing what you do!❤❤😊
The one that is at the museum is a replicate that was done by Fender. The #1 guitar that Stevie played has black, white, black pick guard. the one on display has a fender black pick guard with SRV done by Fender that is the video at 5:26
You're applying your "feelings" to a man who was in horrible throes of addiction. Honestly we're lucky stevie even still had his guitars and didn't pawn them off for substances. This is making a mountain out of a mole hill over one single clip of stevie saying "look, micky mantle signed it." As a musician, luthier and former endulger of that lifestyle, i say this all with respect.
In 2003-2004 when Fender re-issued this guitar the signature was already long gone. So what Fender replicated was EXACTLY WHAT #1 looked like at THAT point in time and not any in the past. #1 Had alot of changes over the years from the stock '62-63 specs. th-cam.com/video/RCp0Shxmozk/w-d-xo.html at around 1:37 and again at 2:13 you get pretty good shots that I feel confirm this, as well as In the Video they clearly show SRV's initial's on the back as well as I would like to think that the photogropher that had the forthought to document the bridge claw and cavity along with SRV's initials would've also thought "maybe I should photograph Mickle Mantles signature as well". That along with the fact that he (SRV) used a wood burning tool to burn his initials into the wood and the autograph was in marker and not even permanent marker is permanent.
It would not take long to 100 percent wear off every bit of that marker given how much he played that guitar. Look how much of the paint and wood I wore off, and you think that marker stood a chance.
Well for sure he put a lefty bridge on it mounted upside down. Because of this, the body had to be routed and also plugged to accept the trem bar which can be seen in photos.
Ive never liked the SRV Strats. Just can't past that "SRV" graphic but I think it would be sweet if Fender made more special edition Relics. The only one that comes to mind is the McCready artist series that has such a heavy relic.
The paint used on that guitar is nitrocellulose. Like it was said, it never cures. It is a soft paint and wears off very easily, especially if the player sweats a lot
There is so much wrong info in this series it makes my head spin. Easy info to verify even. Like the divorce. Separated in 1986 but not legally divorced until 1988.
This isn’t all that hard… there’s a difference between design, manufacture and distribution - the man said that Stevie didn’t live to see the distribution of the guitar. This means that the talks on the design weren’t necessarily left unfinished. Due tophrasing of Mr. Martinez’s statement, she needs to get a lot more clarity before making such a statement. And the biggest reason the autograph probably doesn’t appear on the guitar: did they have permission to recreate Mickey Mantles autograph on said guitar? Probably not. You can’t just slap people’s autographs on products without permission/edorsement/licensing agreements.
You must be joking. Wyatt E A R P is a famous gambler and lawman from the old west. He was born in 1848. His last name is pronounced Urp, as in burp. If you don't know something, look it up.
Thanks for the comment! These videos take about 50-60 hours of research as is. It’s not humanly possible for me to look up everything. I’m very honest about when I don’t know something for sure and that’s what makes this channel so great. We are a community of music lovers and I appreciate the comments from folks to help fill in the blanks!
@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY My apologies. I'm old enough to have learned about Wyatt Earp and some of his contemporaries by paying attention to western movies and TV shows. Maybe it's a guy thing ;^)
Sweetie, you are a great young lady. I have learned so much from you and I am a 69 year old music hippie , thank you for all you do for all us old girls and guys who had no Internet or cell phones back in the day. Today's music fan has the whole world at their finger tips ,we love your pod cast!😊😊😊😊😊
I remember Wyatt Erp. Yeah, it's just pronounced like it's spelled, Erp. BTW, i doubt if Stevie ever really studied that guitar, so when he said about the pictures on it, i wouldn't take him literally, like if he Said plural nouns.
Issue would be that the Micky Mantle Sig on the guitar would be licensed. Mantle's Estate either didn't let Fender and Stevie use the name OR they did give authorization for the signature wanting to be paid stupid amounts of money making it impossible to do. That has happened many times with replica items (not only guitars). If Fender and Stevie did go ahead and produce the guitar with the signature, for sure could be sued for more money than would be ever made from its sales. Plus if the signature was 'worn off' perhaps they wanted to replicate the guitar as it was when Fender had it. Know there has been a few Custom shop repilca's (whether it's been Fender, Gibson, Gretsch, etc) that have had lic issues stopping certain pics (one a Mickey Mouse sticker) or signatures (usually from estates of the deceased), therefore leaving them off.
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY all depends who's in charge and if a lic agreement can come to terms. Thanks give an example, my brother worked for the legal department for a large clothing company. They'd come out with a line that had a famous cartoon character on it (a certain mouse). They had worked with the animation co and came to terms on what percentage they'd get and all was good. The campaign had done well and figured it would be wise to expand on it and do another series with the same character. However this time after knowing it had been a success, the animation co decided they should get a much larger percentage of profits. So much so it didn't become viable and so both lost out and it didn't happen. Unfortunately this happens often. First time at the table there's an uncertainty of how well something will take off and IF the collaboration will be successful. Once one party funds out (usually the one who puts the lessor amount of effort into a project but knowing overall they are needed) want more. Sad , but that's greed for ya .
Maybe their were many guitars that looked like #1. But #1 was kept safe at home. Would you risk losing your favorite guitar on the road? Most artists wouldn’t. Also. The autograph was likely an added production cost that buyers had no interest in. They thought they were getting the pickups and wiring. They likely got a replica paint job more than anything. Stevie was the brand and the draw for the replica. Nobody knows about this autograph because nobody probably cared. As you point out in mentioning the cut of the proceeds going to you, it’s all about the money.
I believe the real Number 1 has been retired and into a vault by Jimmie, since Stevie died. I believe the museum model is a Fender built identical /tribute guitar. Only the Fender builder and Jimmie know and they’re not telling.
Permanent marker remnants would still be present to this day with the raw wood exposure. There is no way on Gods Earth the autograph was carved out. It would have left a hole big as Dallas in the body. The body in the museum was a different body than the one with the signature.
And what do you fender payed for that. That's not just any name. It would be like putting Jimi Hendrix signature on there, it would cost money. @@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY
It looks to me like the guitar on display has a pretry new looking pickgaurd. Other spots look pretty fresh as qell. I question if Jimmy actually gave them the real thing to display or gave them a replica instead. Maybe SRV retired the actual real thing & had a replica body produced to use live.
So many possibilities. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, it'd be you. And yes, You should be entitled to half of the proceeds.😮 Keep digging. You may stumble upon something. Maybe you should become a detective or a PI. Good luck with all of this!
Ma'am... You are in nashville, tennessee. And you don't know how to pronounce the name Wyatt Earp? Watch the movie Tombstone with Kurt Russell. Love your content, BTW.
theres one way to tell if its the real no1, look at it in person & u will see writing indentations all over the front where stevie used it as a flat surface to write names & ph nos on. None of the replicas have this as to copy this u would have do a rubbing of guitar or laser scan it. So if u think u got a exact replica ur wrong.
I bet the fact that the signature is not on the guitar has less to do with SRV and more to do with the estate of Mickey Mantle. If Fender wants to have Mickey Mantel's signature on a run of guitars, they have to talk to whoever is running Mickey Mantel's estate. You can't go around forging his name on things. His signature has value. Let's say I had a baseball autographed by Mickey. That doesn't give me the right to buy 100 baseballs and laser print his signature on them to be sold.
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY who knows? Fender may have had an agreement to put the signature on Lenny. Then after they were sold, they may have done a cost analysis and found the signature cuts too much into the profit margin and felt it wasn't worth it. Or when they tried to make another deal with The Mantle Estate, The Estate might have wanted some ridiculous price the second time around. I am very interested to hear what more you are able to find out.
When an artifact is symbolic and important to public culture it should be preserved, curated, and its pedigree known. From that point of view, having shenanigans and fraud going on behind the scenes is irritating, to say the least. I do find this investigation and speculation about human motivations and relationships fascinating.
Really. I mean really???? One would think a quick internet search could have filled in the blank there. But now it’s out there. And this is kind of a history channel?? In a way ??? I am flabbergasted. Just stunned. Please see the movie Tombstone. It’s about a little historical event at a place called the OK corral. And Earp is pronounced Erp. Like burp without the b. He was a major figure in early American history.
Not about the autograph. It’s about your lack of historical awareness. You might want to run your videos past a reviewing staff to catch glaring issues. Not being mean. Just some friendly advice to strengthen your presentation.
Ray Hennig's Heart of Texas Music was definitely not a pawn shop. You could definitely buy used guitars there. I assume they were taken in on trade or consignment. Yeah there were lots of used amps and equipment there also, and a repair department. He sold brand new Fender guitars. I bought a brand new Martin Shenandoah HD 2832 there. Did Ray loan money? Maybe so, but Heart of Texas was definitely a music store. Also there were two locations in separate cities. I guess you could call Guitar Center a pawn shop. I played a brand new Fender Custom Shop Telecaster there. Ray called the color Mary Kay white. It was semi-transparent and you could see the wood grain. It was serialized as HOT 00x. It was around 2,500 dollars and I couldn't justify the expense at the time.
I love your videos, but laughing at not knowing how to pronounce "Wyatt Earp." Have you seriously never seen the movie "Tombstone????" Such a huge part of American history. I thought Wyatt Earp was common knowledge. What are our schools doing?!?!?!?
We love your attention to detail, but you Talk Too Fast, without using Nuance to your delivery, And, your voice is Annoying Big Time. Sorry Darling, the Truth is Hard to Handle.
Long story short...
I got to play the original proto-type of the SRV signature series that Stevie himself played on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson on July 6th, 1990.
Larry Brookes worked at the Fender custom shop and built it. Larry was making a neck for me and I went to his house to pick it up. He asked "Did I ever show you that SRV guitar"? I said "NO"! He goes to his closet and gets it...he told me it was not Stevie's to keep, so when he passed away (RIP) it was sent back to Larry. He told me "those are the same strings that were on it since Stevie played it.
I spent 45 minutes playing it!
Right place - right time!
@darrinvandemark4781
According to the man who built it, Stevie did play it....on camera I don't know...Larry Brooke's can be easily Googled....
It was played on camera.
@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY
I thought so...Larry is a ridiculously honest guy.....
Larry made me a neck for my 1981 Walnut Strat so I wouldn't have to modify my original neck...rather expensive guitar.
@@jeffrowletteooh a walnut Strat. They are almost as rare as the SRV Strat. Yes I can imagine it’s on the expensive side.
@panzerlieb
Yes...1981 Walnut Strat...all gold hardware...heavy as a tank!
Obviously I kept the original neck and I have the neck Larry made on it...I've owned it for over 30 years now. I paid $1700 for it used way back then...don't know it's value these days...perfect mint condition 👌
This is one of those things where the subject is being overthought. Stevie played his guitar constantly! He probably was ok knowing the autograph was there at one point and could always tell the story so wasn't concerned about it staying on the guitar. Too many people have nothing better to do than speculate about insignificant things. He loved his guitar and played it, period.
I was doing pretty good listening, but got a little bit long-winded at the end but it’s good to document all the info if you got nothing better to do
I was a lead guitarist in several blues/rock bands in Tucson AZ during the late 80's thru the mid '00's; at one point I was in a recording studio, talking to a couple guys who had somehow been peripherally involved with one SRV tour, and sadly I can not remember much about them, or even which of the three studios we frequented when this happened (lots of good 'substances' in TooStoned back then), but I do know it was in the late 80's, '89 or '90. Anyway, the thing that I DO remember is them telling me that SRV pretty much NEVER played the REAL #1 on tour anymore, that he had at least one, if not several, virtually perfect copies of it. Some years later I read a Brian May interview wherein he stated he did the same thing, used a replica of the 'Red Special' on tour, so as to safe-keep the original; and since then, I've heard that many famous guitarist do this with their highly valued guitars, for fear of damage, or worst, theft. So, who knows where #1 REALLY is now; I'd suggest it's a safe bet it's NOT in the museum... As far as the autograph regarding the Fender replicas, it's possible that the Mantle estate may not have ALLOWED Fender to replicate Mickey's signature; or, SRV himself may have thought it would be improper to replicate, literally falsify, MM's signature simply for the sake of a Fender Custom Shop replica's accuracy. Who knows, and as far as I'm concerned, who cares? We know his guitar had it, more than likely Jimmy has the original #1, and we have all those stunning, incredible tracks of SRV's to listen to and marvel at... I personally think that's enough, although I do like this channel, and the total dedication of the host in researching her chosen subjects; kudos.
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Wow thank you so much!!! I'm trying to get the audio to be *just perfect* haha I've been a total amateur when it comes to youtube and all of this! So glad to have you here!
Wyatt Earp (Uurp)
Ray Hennig's Heart of Texas Music was definitely a music store!
Ya, he had new and used stuff. I bought my first 4 track recorder there.
I’ll second that it was a music store, not a pawn shop.
What a great video. I'm a huge SRV fan and have learned new facts about him & his guitars. Thanks so much. You earned a sub.
Saw Stevie in Philadelphia at the Spectrum opening for the Moody Blues in 1983. Didn't know of Double Trouble before the show. Went out and bought Texas Flood the next day.
One thing I am picking up from your freeze frames is the paint patterns, there is less paint in 85 than 86 which makes me believe fender made him a copy and he retired #1.
Like Sting from the police and his 54 Fender P, yeah.
One point I would like to make on why you don't find much info on Number1 having had Mantles autograph on it, is a lot of forums and web sites from the 90's we used to have and use and discussed this very topic.. are all gone and dead now with no hosting. There used to be photographers and people who were close to stage that took pictures from 85 through the end of the year tour and into 86 onwards, who shared private photos they took of Stevie and Number 1 when turned back facing us during solos.. and you could see the autograph start in bold sharpie outline. To the autograph getting more and more faded and worn. It did not last long. I know it's hard to think it will wear like that but when you are a guitar player like a lot of us are and have on stage experience where you're sweating under hot lights with your outfit on and guitar rubbing against you for a show. Guitars get abused when you're a hard working musician like that. And Stevie was playing every night almost with Number 1! The pictures these guys shared in the forums showed exactly that.. only the Mickey mantle part was the last to go everything above the "To Stevie" part.. was gone and faded. Just a light remmnant of Mickey Mantle was left. The only reason Lenny's Mickey sig lasted was he only played that guitar for 1 song each show maybe two maximum if they went into another impromptu song. Number 1 he played mostly each show and hard! I wish the old forums and sites were still up because it's hard to find those pictures anywhere now from those photographers private collections. Some were hired to take photos on tour some were just people who liked to document Stevies when they could go to one. But they were all great sources of documentation of his gutiras through the years and changes he made to them during them. And lots of us were deep into it back then we nerded out on it. I know you would have dug being able to see so many cool up close photos of his guitars and see way more detail than what you're able to find today. Again so much is lost today because those old forums and sites lost hosting and are gone! The Wayback Machine might have some stuff I haven't looked to be honest. But the pictures were better than trying to pause old bootleg video photoage as the video cameras back then were just horrid! If you can ever get in contact with anyone in the know of Stevies shows who took pictures through those years I'd try to get in contact with them to see if they'll share the pics again. I know lots were touchy about it because people even back in the early 90s were trying to make replicas to sell and Fender was the only one with an ongoing deal with Stevies family.
She does in eps 2
A coworker said he seen Stevie standing on a guitar like it was a shovel.
Yeee, third stone from the sun, el mocambo. Watch the vid, it's wild
Live, long I. Not Liv. Live Alive was recorded at the Austin Opera House over 2 nights. I woop right in the middle of a song and it got on the vinyl. Very happy about that. People give that album a hard time but everyone had a good time being there. Only place I could find Willie the Wimp
No way it was carved out, the post-signature body has to be the original, nobody was doing that kind of relicing back then and SRV was never finicky about the way his guitars looked anyway. More likely the Mick used a standard marker, not a Sharpie. The way SRV played the sweat would have broken down the ink almost immediately, and even Sharpies wouldn't stand up to the acidity forever. As for Lenny, he didn't play that guitar live, the videos I've seen (eg Mocambo) he's playing Red for that song. As you noted, SRV was not easy on his instruments. It's a shame, but the signature is probably just lost forever. THAT SAID: love the video and thanks for the unique insights!
July 27, 2018, Stevie and Lenny got to see each other again. That's the day she passed, and Stevie met her to walk her across the Rainbow Bridge.
I think the signature was worn off...like you said, Stevie was constantly throwing that guitar over his shoulder, and even working tremolo bouncing the thing off the stage floor (Hendrix style)---he put that thing through hell.
If Fender was to remake a replica with Mickey's signature; that guitar would be far out of reach of most consumers, because they (Fender) would have to pay Mickey's estate royalties for each guitar sold.
Personally, I think the "replica" should be as the guitar Stevie played in 1990 the night his helicopter hit the hill in Wisconsin---which would be the signature (and paint where the signature sat) was worn off. Just my 2 cents.
Salt from sweat is real easy to get permanent maker off.
What is the problem with the guitar being in the museum.
SRV was hard on his guitars. If he took those hard knock memories with him, so be it in my mind. They were his treasures to begin with. I once had an extreme relic Tele with a sweet set up that I let go for a song. I often wonder who has it now.
Thanks for the research & the content.
Call me crazy but I could swear I see remnants of the autograph at 15:40, left side of the screen. This being a sunburst model, there should be no black in the yellow/orange or red area of the guitar. It's very faint and partially obscured by the guitar stand but I think it's still there.
I found that in the biography book by Keri Leigh and BB King "Stevie Ray Soul To Soul" i would see different markings on his #1 different wear patterns on some of the later images of the guitar, I wish I could find it again it's no longer in my book collection it seems, but Ive often wondered if he had 2 #1's or the body swapped with a similar worn guitar IDK
Well I'm not the smartest guy in the the world, but it looks like to me it was rubbed off normal wear and tear. Thank you for the entertaining information. God Rest his soul
Omg you are awesome for many reasons,,but 1 us you beautiful heart to be upset for stevie ,that was amazing, then you have this bombshell?? I met his brother, seen stevie sober and not sober, Atlanta fox,omni with Beck,,his birthday is same as mine,,thank you for doing what you do!❤❤😊
The one that is at the museum is a replicate that was done by Fender. The #1 guitar that Stevie played has black, white, black pick guard. the one on display has a fender black pick guard with SRV done by Fender that is the video at 5:26
Jimmie put the original in the museum for a period of time when the exhibit first opened
The pickguard is a fender. SRV never used anything but stickers.@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY
My friend Steve was there when the lights fell in #1.
Are you going to talk about his other guitars? “charile” , “Red” , “Main” & “Scotch”?
Looking forward to another amazing video. 👏 😊
Interesting, had no idea about the Mickey mantle.
I've seen many photos of #1, never saw the signature.
Not difficult to believe it was rubbed off.
You're applying your "feelings" to a man who was in horrible throes of addiction. Honestly we're lucky stevie even still had his guitars and didn't pawn them off for substances. This is making a mountain out of a mole hill over one single clip of stevie saying "look, micky mantle signed it." As a musician, luthier and former endulger of that lifestyle, i say this all with respect.
In 2003-2004 when Fender re-issued this guitar the signature was already long gone. So what Fender replicated was EXACTLY WHAT #1 looked like at THAT point in time and not any in the past. #1 Had alot of changes over the years from the stock '62-63 specs. th-cam.com/video/RCp0Shxmozk/w-d-xo.html at around 1:37 and again at 2:13 you get pretty good shots that I feel confirm this, as well as In the Video they clearly show SRV's initial's on the back as well as I would like to think that the photogropher that had the forthought to document the bridge claw and cavity along with SRV's initials would've also thought "maybe I should photograph Mickle Mantles signature as well". That along with the fact that he (SRV) used a wood burning tool to burn his initials into the wood and the autograph was in marker and not even permanent marker is permanent.
Wyatt Earp rhymes with Burp.
He was a famous outlaw
It would not take long to 100 percent wear off every bit of that marker given how much he played that guitar. Look how much of the paint and wood I wore off, and you think that marker stood a chance.
Well for sure he put a lefty bridge on it mounted upside down. Because of this, the body had to be routed and also plugged to accept the trem bar which can be seen in photos.
That's Jimmy playing guitar in the first photo
My middle name happens to be RAY too by the way! I was named that after my grandfather whose name was Raymond R. Madsen. 😢 😮
Ive never liked the SRV Strats. Just can't past that "SRV" graphic but I think it would be sweet if Fender made more special edition Relics. The only one that comes to mind is the McCready artist series that has such a heavy relic.
He wasn't playing in London when he collapsed. He was in Germany.
Wow! That looks a lot like Jimmy, but I guess brothers can look a lot alike.
The paint used on that guitar is nitrocellulose. Like it was said, it never cures. It is a soft paint and wears off very easily, especially if the player sweats a lot
There is so much wrong info in this series it makes my head spin. Easy info to verify even. Like the divorce. Separated in 1986 but not legally divorced until 1988.
This isn’t all that hard… there’s a difference between design, manufacture and distribution - the man said that Stevie didn’t live to see the distribution of the guitar. This means that the talks on the design weren’t necessarily left unfinished. Due tophrasing of Mr. Martinez’s statement, she needs to get a lot more clarity before making such a statement. And the biggest reason the autograph probably doesn’t appear on the guitar: did they have permission to recreate Mickey Mantles autograph on said guitar? Probably not. You can’t just slap people’s autographs on products without permission/edorsement/licensing agreements.
😂 she doesn't know who Wyatt Earp is 🤣
More like Wyatt Derp 😂😂😂
She knows SRV, which is more important in my book. Wyatt's been gone over a century.
Those are the same people that will tell you, 'people before the internet were dumb'. Lol!
@@bradparker9664 she only knows what Google has told her
Young people don’t see any value in history. It’s sad. That’s exactly how it gets lost.
You must be joking. Wyatt E A R P is a famous gambler and lawman from the old west. He was born in 1848. His last name is pronounced Urp, as in burp. If you don't know something, look it up.
Thanks for the comment! These videos take about 50-60 hours of research as is. It’s not humanly possible for me to look up everything. I’m very honest about when I don’t know something for sure and that’s what makes this channel so great. We are a community of music lovers and I appreciate the comments from folks to help fill in the blanks!
@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY My apologies. I'm old enough to have learned about Wyatt Earp and some of his contemporaries by paying attention to western movies and TV shows. Maybe it's a guy thing ;^)
Sweetie, you are a great young lady. I have learned so much from you and I am a 69 year old music hippie , thank you for all you do for all us old girls and guys who had no Internet or cell phones back in the day. Today's music fan has the whole world at their finger tips ,we love your pod cast!😊😊😊😊😊
I remember Wyatt Erp.
Yeah, it's just pronounced like it's spelled, Erp.
BTW, i doubt if Stevie ever really studied that guitar, so when he said about the pictures on it, i wouldn't take him literally, like if he Said plural nouns.
Reproducing an autograph may have been problematic from a legal perspective. Mickey mantles estate may have had to agree etc.
They already had it on Lenny, though
Issue would be that the Micky Mantle Sig on the guitar would be licensed. Mantle's Estate either didn't let Fender and Stevie use the name OR they did give authorization for the signature wanting to be paid stupid amounts of money making it impossible to do. That has happened many times with replica items (not only guitars). If Fender and Stevie did go ahead and produce the guitar with the signature, for sure could be sued for more money than would be ever made from its sales. Plus if the signature was 'worn off' perhaps they wanted to replicate the guitar as it was when Fender had it. Know there has been a few Custom shop repilca's (whether it's been Fender, Gibson, Gretsch, etc) that have had lic issues stopping certain pics (one a Mickey Mouse sticker) or signatures (usually from estates of the deceased), therefore leaving them off.
They already issued Lenny’s replica with the signature , though 🧐
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY all depends who's in charge and if a lic agreement can come to terms. Thanks give an example, my brother worked for the legal department for a large clothing company. They'd come out with a line that had a famous cartoon character on it (a certain mouse). They had worked with the animation co and came to terms on what percentage they'd get and all was good. The campaign had done well and figured it would be wise to expand on it and do another series with the same character. However this time after knowing it had been a success, the animation co decided they should get a much larger percentage of profits. So much so it didn't become viable and so both lost out and it didn't happen. Unfortunately this happens often. First time at the table there's an uncertainty of how well something will take off and IF the collaboration will be successful. Once one party funds out (usually the one who puts the lessor amount of effort into a project but knowing overall they are needed) want more. Sad , but that's greed for ya .
Excellent point !! That would be correct so the signature thing is out
Mick's sig was important to SRV l don't give a fuk
Maybe their were many guitars that looked like #1. But #1 was kept safe at home. Would you risk losing your favorite guitar on the road? Most artists wouldn’t. Also. The autograph was likely an added production cost that buyers had no interest in. They thought they were getting the pickups and wiring. They likely got a replica paint job more than anything. Stevie was the brand and the draw for the replica. Nobody knows about this autograph because nobody probably cared. As you point out in mentioning the cut of the proceeds going to you, it’s all about the money.
It wore off. Sharpie doesn't stick well to laquer at all, especially when it's coming off the wood so readily
Didnt buy number 1 at a pawn shop
I believe the real Number 1 has been retired and into a vault by Jimmie, since Stevie died. I believe the museum model is a Fender built identical /tribute guitar. Only the Fender builder and Jimmie know and they’re not telling.
I think Lenny wiped it off!
She knew it meant something to him but wouldn’t hurt the guitar
Permanent marker remnants would still be present to this day with the raw wood exposure. There is no way on Gods Earth the autograph was carved out. It would have left a hole big as Dallas in the body. The body in the museum was a different body than the one with the signature.
Earp is pronounced “urp” as in burp. Look up shootout at the ok corral
The cost of getting Mickey Mantles name on a guitar would be crazy.
It was on Fender’s reissue of Lenny!
And what do you fender payed for that. That's not just any name. It would be like putting Jimi Hendrix signature on there, it would cost money. @@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY
It looks to me like the guitar on display has a pretry new looking pickgaurd. Other spots look pretty fresh as qell. I question if Jimmy actually gave them the real thing to display or gave them a replica instead. Maybe SRV retired the actual real thing & had a replica body produced to use live.
Oh no! I missed your Email! I just read it now.
So many possibilities. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, it'd be you. And yes, You should be entitled to half of the proceeds.😮 Keep digging. You may stumble upon something. Maybe you should become a detective or a PI. Good luck with all of this!
Earp.....Urrp....!!!....Errp......!!!
Like Terp or Perp....or Burt
Pen rubs off easily. It even fades pretty well without help. Every other mark is still there. Nothing mysterious here.
The guy that could know what Fender knows would be John Cruz , Fender's master builder at that time . @John Cruz custom guitars .
Ma'am... You are in nashville, tennessee. And you don't know how to pronounce the name Wyatt Earp? Watch the movie Tombstone with Kurt Russell.
Love your content, BTW.
theres one way to tell if its the real no1, look at it in person & u will see writing indentations all over the front where stevie used it as a flat surface to write names & ph nos on. None of the replicas have this as to copy this u would have do a rubbing of guitar or laser scan it. So if u think u got a exact replica ur wrong.
Wyatt Earp tombstone OK corral are you not familiar?lol
I highly doubt that they cut out part of that body
Stevie wore it off.
Probably a trade mark issue with Fender.
That guitar had 16 new necks and 22 new bodies... It's amazing how one guitar can last so long!
I bet the fact that the signature is not on the guitar has less to do with SRV and more to do with the estate of Mickey Mantle. If Fender wants to have Mickey Mantel's signature on a run of guitars, they have to talk to whoever is running Mickey Mantel's estate. You can't go around forging his name on things. His signature has value. Let's say I had a baseball autographed by Mickey. That doesn't give me the right to buy 100 baseballs and laser print his signature on them to be sold.
Good point
I think #1 is buried with Stevie , and knowing how valuable it would become a replica was produced
But it was already on Lenny (fenders reissue of that guitar)
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY excellent point !! That knocks that debate out
@@ROOTSMUSICHISTORY who knows? Fender may have had an agreement to put the signature on Lenny. Then after they were sold, they may have done a cost analysis and found the signature cuts too much into the profit margin and felt it wasn't worth it. Or when they tried to make another deal with The Mantle Estate, The Estate might have wanted some ridiculous price the second time around. I am very interested to hear what more you are able to find out.
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When an artifact is symbolic and important to public culture it should be preserved, curated, and its pedigree known. From that point of view, having shenanigans and fraud going on behind the scenes is irritating, to say the least. I do find this investigation and speculation about human motivations and relationships fascinating.
Really. I mean really???? One would think a quick internet search could have filled in the blank there. But now it’s out there. And this is kind of a history channel?? In a way ??? I am flabbergasted. Just stunned. Please see the movie Tombstone. It’s about a little historical event at a place called the OK corral. And Earp is pronounced Erp. Like burp without the b. He was a major figure in early American history.
Hi @midnightwind8067 - can you provide links that support the Mickey Mantle autograph via this "quick internet search" you speak of?
You might be confusing Number One with Lenny. Everywhere on the internet it shows Lenny being signed by Mickey, NOT number one.
Not about the autograph. It’s about your lack of historical awareness. You might want to run your videos past a reviewing staff to catch glaring issues. Not being mean. Just some friendly advice to strengthen your presentation.
Ray Hennig's Heart of Texas Music was definitely not a pawn shop. You could definitely buy used guitars there. I assume they were taken in on trade or consignment. Yeah there were lots of used amps and equipment there also, and a repair department. He sold brand new Fender guitars. I bought a brand new Martin Shenandoah HD 2832 there. Did Ray loan money? Maybe so, but Heart of Texas was definitely a music store. Also there were two locations in separate cities. I guess you could call Guitar Center a pawn shop. I played a brand new Fender Custom Shop Telecaster there. Ray called the color Mary Kay white. It was semi-transparent and you could see the wood grain. It was serialized as HOT 00x. It was around 2,500 dollars and I couldn't justify the expense at the time.
Fender just don't care, they even screw up the buddy holly tribute strat
' erp ' dum dum
Fun fact, before Stevie bought it, it belonged to Christopher Cross.
irp. Like chirp. Earp. He was a lawman.
OMG you seem to care more about the autograph than Stevie.
NOT TRUE. I care about it so much because I believe Stevie cared about it so much. And no one ever remembers number one as having this
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I love your videos, but laughing at not knowing how to pronounce "Wyatt Earp." Have you seriously never seen the movie "Tombstone????" Such a huge part of American history. I thought Wyatt Earp was common knowledge. What are our schools doing?!?!?!?
We love your attention to detail, but you Talk Too Fast, without using Nuance to your delivery, And, your voice is Annoying Big Time. Sorry Darling, the Truth is Hard to Handle.