What is male modesty?
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- What does modesty mean for men? Find out, as Jason Evert interviews Leah Darrow in this episode of the Lust is Boring Podcast.
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While I enjoyed this, I was a little surprised not to talk on gym or workout attire. If we’re talking about what leads women to a near occasion of sin, I would certainly call out working out in public with their shirts off. Having worked in gyms and around sports before, I can personally attest to the thoughts and language used when “that hot guy” walked in. I believe male modesty in this case is just as warranted as female modesty.
If you dress immodestly it invites men to sin. If a man see a woman dress immodestly he will sin and that’s not his fault.
Right?
@@michelleheadley2911 it actually is his fault because God calls us all to be chaste (even in marriage occasionally) and to practice self-mastery.
My point is, this door swings both ways. Women can also be drawn to sin while watching men workout without shirts on.
I worked in the fitness industry for several years and I can assure, that door absolutely swings both ways.
Agreed 😁 men need to dress modestly
I loved this video! I feel like guys too are subtly pressured to flaunt their bodies more than before, on social media or even in jobs like entertainment and modeling (Leah might have some insights about it) just to convey an image of confidence and "manliness".
Not discussing their sexuality in crude or embarrassing detail outside the right context, I think that's an important aspect of male modesty.
Need to do this topic much more
Loved this
We dress our best whenever we go to weddings, so how much more should we dress our best when we go to the holiest wedding feast of the lamb every Sunday?
I wud say if men have modesty in gaze(not gawking at random women's butt etc)....the result wud be not even acting in an inappropriate manner towards opposite gender.
Google, “when suites become a stumbling block”.
To me male modesty is living a celibate lifestyle, not dating, and serving God only.
I appreciate this, but I would really want someone to just instruct me how to dress. Because I know women dressing up has an effect on me.
I work out (I honestly doubt I should, I should probably rather do cardio and stuff for health only), and so I wonder what I should mind to cover up. Because it's summer, it's hot. I don't want tan lines (this may be the Devil speaking though I don't know), but then if you tell me this is a problem, I rather would never show my shoulders or knees or whatever.
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Hello. First of all, I don't think that working out in itself is a bad thing. There is beauty in our bodies, for they were created by God and his call for love is written right into them. To enhance the natural beauty of your body by working out therefore is not a bad thing, it's the intention behind it that counts. If you want to turn your body into a lust inciting object, well that's problematic. But if you do it for the sake of beauty, and because this way you feel good and healthy in your body, it's not a bad thing. As for covering up, it is important to understand that the female psyche works differently than the male one. While men have a desire for physical and visual stimulation, women tend to crave emotional and romantic stimulation. Therefore, as expressed at the beginning of the video, your knees for example are rather unlikely to stir up lustful thoughts, so wearing shorts should be fine. But then again, just because men and women are different doesn't mean that women cannot have lustful thoughts while looking at a man's body, so let's combine this information with the one that certain forms of clothing are appropriate for certain events, and we have a good guideline. For example, being without your shirt would be okay at the beach, but to go out like this in other public places could be considered as problematic. In addition to that, we often have an instinctive feeling that something is off when dressing inappropriately. It has something to do with knowing deep down that what is going on is not compatible with our human dignity. I hope that was helpful. God bless you.
Thank you so much for this Episode ~ I agree, male modesty is important... I love your tie in back to other countries and how they dress for mass vs. some of the people in the United States... I love the BBQ analogy... and yes, wear pants the normal way - Leah's "Just Stop" - is something I would take to another level... it is not only the function of the pants... but also... respect yourself enough to cover your butt. .. and women just think it is disgusting if your butt is hanging out of your pants...especially at mass... they didn't come to mass to see your butt... they came to mass to see CHRIST. I agree with Leah's 3 piece suit to a bbq... wear what is appropriate... no matter where you are... here in the United States some people have that luxury... others do not... even though you mention the comment in a foreign country etc... you can always donate clothing for others to be able to dress appropriately for mass in case they do not have the financial means to do so... like they would wish to dress for mass... I have always donated clothing, presentable and wearable enough to mass... for others to wear... in case they do not have the financial means... I agree.. respect for other women etc.. is also very good... however, also recognize... if a man is truly in love with you - he will admit the truth to you of what he thinks about other women, including his mother, that he may not admit to someone else... when a man feels close to you - he will tell you things he will not tell anyone else... but overall, if his attitude towards his mother is positive, you already know his heart in relation to his mother... as well as other women... as well as you... know his heart. Also, recognize... in the fitness industry... as male or female... know what you are presenting and why. Also... know you need to be able to control your appetites like Jason says... if men or women cannot control their appetites... overall...and in the separate appetites that exist... then they need to work on that and improve it... I love the example of the suits... it shows their respect and faith life... I agree... but also as a female in the catholic church... and it is a male's first time coming into your community... advise them on how to dress... the same thing for a woman you invite into something... back to leah's final point.. I dress up.. and when I dress up... mt heart space says... You are dressing up for Christ... Ask yourself the question... who are you showing up for? Who are you being present for? When I go to mass... I go to be present for Christ and to Christ... that is why I dress up.. and put on my heels for the Eucharist... literally...(yes I wear heels other times, and dresses other times... )... but I specifically know who I am getting dressed for when I dress for mass... and it is for Christ. If Christ could "de-robe" himself for me and all of humanity... anyone is welcome to the mass.... in anything they wear.. remember Christ hung almost naked if not naked on the cross.... that is point #1. Point #2 is: if Christ could de-robe himself for me... in humility...and may not have wanted to be de-robed..... and almost naked... but was de-robed for me....and my sin..... I can dress up for the Eucharist... in a humble way... I can dress up for the Eucharist. Again... people don't NEED to be wearing Gucci, Prada... or top of the line Fashion Designer clothing to go to mass.... and I say this as someone who knows people in Fashion and Design and people who would wear this to mass.... the point is ... make sure your heart is in the right place. When you show up for mass, make sure you heart is in the right place... AND when you show up for mass... no matter what you wear.... given your financial status et al... what you can afford to wear and what you cannot.... SHOW UP FOR THE KING. I WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU PRESENT IN TATTERED GARMENTS THAN NOT TO SHOW UP. I WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU PRESENT RESPECTING YOUR HEART AND YOUR LOVE FOR THE EUCHARIST THAN NOT SHOW UP. NO MATTER WHAT YOU WEAR. Coming to Mass is more important than what you wear. And what you wear will reflect you...(and maybe societies conditions around you depending)... God cares more that you show up for mass than what you are wearing... however, if you dress appropriately too... where you love, honor and respect yourself.... in whatever that looks like... that is awesome too. I agree... wearing a suit to mass for a man is amazing and dressing up for Christ and not to please anyone else is amazing... so is a female wearing a dress and high heels and dressing up for Christ and not to please anyone else... but.... all that really matters is that you are showing up for Christ and no one else. CHRIST IS THE POINT OF THE MASS. AND BEING IN COMMUNITY WITH THE CHURCH FOLLOWS RIGHT AFTER THAT. .... And.... it is wonderful when you advise your man on what to wear when he wouldn't normally know.. and so he shows up in exactly what you advised him to wear.... the most important thing is that he is captivated by Christ, and Christ is captivated by him... and if he is your true love... that besides God and Christ already captivating your heart... that he, the person you are in love with, captivates your heart also... there is so much to this... thank you for this episode.
Is this comment for real???
*There is no such thing as "modest or immodest" clothing. It's a false premise created out of ignorance and lack of understanding of what our bodies represent. Physical modesty varies all over the world throughout all nations, religions and cultures and has done so all throughout history. It's not something you can put under a microscope and study in a science lab or back with research or data or defend with faith (The Bible). It's just something based on feelings and emotions and that makes it empty.*
*For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 6:12*
*The Bible says our bodies are made in God's image and are the Temple of the Holy Spirit so, if that's the case, how could our bodies be a symbol of sin? Does the image of God spread lust? Does the Temple of the Holy Spirit cause someone to stumble? If so, does that mean God is evil? This is the issue with religion! The fact that it makes God look like the bad guy and that's because religion isn't a Godly design, it's a man made concept designed to masquerade as God's Word but it's really man's agenda.*
Yeah nothing wrong with simply cussing as an expression, so I will continue to do so and actually enjoy life, and worry more about real issues.
Is the assumption here men need to attend latin mass? lol
Please don't wear short shorts and put your shirt ok while hiking and near beaches.
*The idea of "modesty" is a complete joke. God created us to be fully naked with NO SHAME and it was only when we started playing our own game that we started viewing our bodies as disgraceful. 99% of clothing has nothing to do with trying to be provocative, it's just the person wearing what makes them comfortable. Clothing does not influence bad actions, bad character is what does.*
Projection 101
@@alovetobereckoned8129 Huh?
I know my first response comment was quite lengthy, but I just wanted to share something relevant that I myself experienced.
I was raised Catholic (I am no longer Catholic, but I am still 110% a Christian) and luckily my parents weren't the super crazy types when it came to "modesty". I was allowed to wear normal swimsuits at the beach or pool, as well as "normal" clothes to school.
At times, when we went to Mass, my mom would occasionally give me grief about wearing a top that exposed my shoulders (those damn sinful tempting shoulders!) or a dress that was too form fitting (need to make sure no man is able to see the shape of my God given body lest he allows those damn sinful thoughts to enter his mind!) But for the most part, she was OK.
So I was quite shocked when, in preparation for my wedding (which I did at a Catholic church PURELY to appease my parents), my mom saw my wedding dress (it was my dream dress!) and frowned because it was a halter top style and revealed my shoulders as well as my back. She ACTUALLY asked me if I could find some type of jacket or cover up, so I could conceal myself during the ceremony in the church.
I feel proud of myself to this day that I literally laughed and said to her "You're joking, right?" and by saying so and then dropping the subject completely, I am pretty sure I made her realize that she was being ridiculous and I could not take her suggestion even remotely seriously.
@@cactuscallie5090 *I'm so glad to hear a fellow believer say this. You should never be ashamed of expressing yourself through your clothes or showing any amount of skin that you want. Ephesians 6:12 says "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." So if this is true, our bodies could never be able to make someone else sin, their own darkness is what causes it. Also that wedding dress you wore sounds really cool. Just saying!*
@starhunter9085 The bible calls woman out to be modest and I think girls that dress modesty and live for God and have received the holy ghost are more beautiful then the ones wearing un modest clothing. In my opinion woman should dress like women with skirts and dresses and men dress like men with pants I don't think men should wear shorts out in public because I don't feel like it's modest.