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MAX HOLY SH*T!!! | Stranger Things 4x4 Reaction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Stranger Things | Season 4 Episode 4 | Reaction & Review | "Chapter Four: Dear Billy"
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Introduction: 0:00 - 3:48
Reaction: 3:49 - 41:38
Discussion/Review: 41:39 - 55:32
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Max was NUTS this episode, thank GOD she survived
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Have you reacted to the terminator movies yet? If not, then you should totally do so!
But almost all ya'll talked about was Billy...
@@SpartanandPudgey did you notice Max was there? I thought you were, as always, blinded by your loss of Billy the Bully. Your obsession with him is the real Stranger Thing here!
Spartan, Pudgey.... Seriously you guys just get better and better. I'm so pumped for your star wars reactions.
I believe Max was in a trance the whole time at with her mom. That whole interaction was Vecna.😊
Notice Billy wasn’t in Max’s happy memories.
This the one 💀
!!!
@@EchanteDante but he will be forever in Spartan's happy memories...and sad memories...and funny memories...and scary memories...and romantic memories....🙄
Max's scene at the end was so powerful, it wasn't only about escaping Vecna, it was her deciding to choose life over death. She was quite literally out running her depression.
“But did you see when Billy did the Billy thing and Billy’d his Billy?” - Spartan, probably
@@bobbiop785 soooo powerful. Exactly. Take the monster piece out and look at it as someone facing their demons in depression: she was at the bottom of the abyss. And with thoughts of suicide hammering away at her, she made a choice. She chose life and had to fight with every fiber of her being to not give into a depression induced suicide. To fight for life. The way her friends were fighting for her and cradled her when finally came back to them... It's so beautiful.
exactly but it seems like they’re ignorant to that topic in this show so I doubt they even made that connection w the song and her depression
Facing her trauma, it’s actually done so well. It’s making me teary eyed even with the reaction being a filter
I actually laughed out loud at the "nice memories that they had together" comment. Max and Billy nice memories?! lol I swear you guys watched a different show or got amnesia and don't remember season 2 at all. The undeserved Billy praise is too much. Let him go.
Right? Like are the "nice memories" in the room with us now? 😂
Billy was a hero for 5 minutes and an asshole the rest of his life. This is Max’s moment not Billy’s.😡
Spartan's obssession with Billy needs to be studied
@@emmanuelare9576 they should get a room.
@@emmanuelare9576 Pudgey is just as bad.
Man crush
The Vecna scene was not meant to be a scary scene for the audience, it’s supposed to be emotional. it was meant to be mentally torturous for Max as vecna was in HER head. Plus the song itself is symbolic of Max’s situation, and it works perfectly for the scene.
THANK YOU!!!! they expecting to be scared out their boots when it’s not even supposed to be scary
Although technically she was in Vecna's head, which is a pretty important story point and Spartan picked up on Vecna's surprise that Max manifested inside his reality.
No rational person expects everyone to have exactly the same views on something, but there are occasions when a reaction is so far off the mark that it’s really jarring.
This episode is about Max, about depression/mental health and confronting it, about fighting your demons, about Sadie Sink’s acting, about Kate Bush, about the Duffer Brothers brilliant juxtaposing of Running Up That Hill with Max’s (literal and metaphorical) struggle to escape. (It’s also a little bit about Robert Englund)
And, you completely missed all of that and focused on Billy. Now don’t get me wrong he was a really well-acted and quite engaging bad guy with a pretty good partial redemption. But he was meant to be a bad guy, and is not the focus of the show - aside from his role in Max’s struggle.
This episode meant a lot to a lot of people because of its main themes and I think you’ve really missed the mark and disappointed many here. It also makes me feel less inclined to watch future reactions given what’s going to happen….
Also, to underplay the threat of Vecna, a brilliant villain, is really odd.
And Spartan needs to get over this simping for every alpha male or ‘warrior’ type, and total discounting of characters who don’t conform to that - Max, Robyn, Nancy, Bob etc
the door is over there. nobody needs the announcement when you leave.
Most people watch the show and move on with their life, nobody sits in their home like a nerd analysing this shit. I mean it's great a message, if you get it then you get it and if you don't then you don't
Vecna had no reason to rush. He was playing with his food. As far as he was aware, Max had no way of getting out.
and yet he does it again the next time
It is a little more than that. As I am sure you are aware there is a purpose for his killings, so he needs his victims to be at the peak of their emotions for his designs to work.
@yashurishi549 it's an 80s horror movie trope. Done purposefully and for the story. To me it doesnt detract because it is purposeful. But to each his own
He ought to know. His father escaped the same way. I think when he's working remotely he has to break down his victims psychologically before he can kill them; get them to completely give up and accept their fate.
Vecna knows he will win, it’s that simple
Interesting that music played a part in escaping from Vecna. Made me realize that "Should I Stay or Should I Go" might be what helped Will survive the Upside Down for so long.
Oouuuu could be!
YEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
@@soggynugzit is he was literally singing it when he was hiding in castle byers
Season 5 will start with that song.
Vecna took his time with Chrissy and Fred too. It wasn't different with Max. He just didn't think anyone could escape him so he doesn't rush
oh he does take some time here; he is pretty much getting into an argument to begin with
@@michaelklausyeah like how chrissy had all those scenes with her mother/father in the house before she died, and Fred was running through the woods away from loads of corpses; Vecna always takes his time.
@@brandonh4195 Okay let us put this spoiler shiled up here for those who ahve not finished the season.
...
yes, he basically rushes in her to debate whether or not Max still is angy and sad about Billy's death because she has apparently found closure ont hat topic;
we only learn later that Henry uses these emotions to fuel his powers and that his victims stay with him and make him stronger;
which means the whole curse is only about nurturing these feelings to create and stabilize the gates;
so Max surprisingly escapes and he cannot go after her... until she decides to let these feelings back in to lure him inot their trap; and then he kills her;
so yeah... he was rushing it here, but then he played the long game and got her in the end
@@michaelklausfor Fred he took so long it went from the sun shining to being dark out by the time Fred actually died on the street. This is much shorter by comparison.
Guys this episode was about Max and her arc and her outrunning her depression pleaseeeee stop making everything about Billy. He just had a really shitty abusive father but overall he was the worst brother to Max
Everyone deserves redemption. Even Billy Willy.
Again, I'd honestly like to help you all out here. Please consider how pathetic it is to lower yourself to begging. All for what? A stranger's reaction to a fictional character? Like seriously channel that energy and emotion into something even remotely worthwhile.
@@tidepride86 Man did literally _one_ good thing and the glazing is unending
@@fredwin lol
@@fredwin go take a shot and remove the stick from your butt
Honestly... I've backed you guys all the way with the Billy support... but this moment had everyone, LITERALLY, shouting at their screens in support of Max... max was the hero where Billy never stood up to the task until the very end... you guys need to get off this Billy hype.
Also, Vecna took his time with all his victims. Vecna only kills people when they choose to give into him. Max runs away so Vecna doesn't chase her.
The Billy obsession is so strange like guys come on this was about Max 😭
real
and Billy was never a good person!!! I think they focused on his tragic history, and forgot the rest of his life
Your obsession with their “billy obsession” is strange 😂 soooo many comments about it, it’s so weird
@@sirdoobiehowzer3888 no, its just calling out their weird behaviour?? worshipping and glazing a terrible person isnt normal
The reason people are upset is because a lot of us had a very strong emotional reaction to this episode, i think a lot of people can relate to Max's struggle with her mental health after an already pretty rough life and a very traumatic event. And Spartan and Pudgey barely seemed to register any of that because all they cared about was Billy, who is one of the sources of Max's trauma but they (and especially Spartan) don't care about that because they just hero worship Billy. One good act at the end of your life does not erase all the bad things you've done, and it doesn't invalidate the pain you've caused in others. Billy is a character to sympathize with to understand how people's environments shape them, but he's not to be hero worshipped.
Spartan's man crush on Billy causing him to think Billy could just "beat up" Vecna is insane riding.
I like Spartan and believe he has a good heart. Some of the people he simps too make me cringe though. Like genuinely not good characters that exude masculinity, it's twisted.
@@bbwayne11this sounds like the most back handed compliment ever.Let the man live without judgement
@@bbwayne11 The way he dismissed Bob until almost his last moments....Bob, who was always sweet and nice, but he adores Billy the Bully 🤷🏻♀️
@@bbwayne11Toxic masculinity specifically
@@bbwayne11 Billy is a great character, but not a good person. There’s a difference
That Max escape scene with the Kate Bush music hit me harder than any other scene in this show
Yeah... same.
Yeah I enjoyed the rest of the season but this is my favourite episode from all the seasons so far.
The Kate Bush song remixed with the Stranger Things theme music in the second half of this season is permanently burned into my brain. Chills every time 🔥
Yes.
Kate Bush has saved more lives than just Max's.
This episode was about Max not Billy. You guys don't seem to understand that and it's kind of sad
Spartans obsessions with masculine alpha dudes even if they are sh*tty people is WILD 😂
I know, the way he misses Billy more than he misses Bob, a true hero and the nicest man ever!
@@susannariera Plus he was shitting on Bob when he did nothing wrong the entire first half of season 2. Almost like how a jock would bully the nerd in high school for no reason. Dude needs to grow up.
i say we want the underneath good guy/girl we kind of all have to win. i think spartan wants billy to fight vecna off. i understood max was stronger to fight him off because she has people she loves.
There are villains people like for example Death Vader and there are hero’s that suck. Billy’s character was interesting played by a good acting performance. Bob’s character absolutely sucked.
he will watch peaky blinders and it will be his favorite thing of all time. Spartan will stand up, squint his eyes and shout "YEAH DUUUUDE" every five minutes
They put way too much into Billy. Dude was a shitty person. Doesn’t matter about his past or whatever, he was shitty. Karma came after him and the only decent thing he’s done was save Eleven in the last minute
As the survivor of an abuser, Billy is not a decent human. The cycle of abuse generally does continue but the narcissistic evil ones continue the cycle of abusing others, those of us who have half decent hearts continue to abuse ourselves in self sabotage which takes many forms.
What Max had was yearning. And yes, she probably was relieved when Billy died and she was carrying guilt. It messes with your head when you wish death upon another human in order to stop being abused. You worry you are as bad as they are if that's the intrusive thought that entered your head.
This is the story of Max's strength and pain, not Billys perceived personality transplant.
Totally agree. It's hard watching Billy experience abuse from his father and it's tragic, but he was so scary in season 2 and he doesn't get a pass because of his trauma. I've experienced an older sibling like him and know how terrifying they are, especially when alone with them. So yeah, Max definitely would have felt relieved when he died and it's completely valid. I don't understand the love for the character, each to their own, though he is interesting to watch and a good antagonist for the series
This!!! When my dad died I felt a bit like Max. I wasn't mourning the relationship we had, but mourning what it COULD have been.
Did they completely dismiss how Billy was racist to Lucas and was a horrible person to Max and everyone like 95% of the time? I just don't get how they love him that much. He was abused by his father but that doesn't justify him becoming an abuser himself, coming from someone who was raised in that kind of environment I just don't get it.
@@AddsWatchesthey said but you guys simple ignore.
@@AddsWatchesAnd they like him because he is a well-developed and written character, arguably the best of season 3
Spartan's obsessive man crush on Billy is WILD and also a little disturbing. Like, honestly, exactly WHAT did Billy do to garner all this love and praise?? Explain it to me like I'm 5 and learning disabled. Billy was an obnoxious, violent a-hole and dude talks about him like he's the motherf**king messiah. It's crazy.
This was a hard watch, he mentioned billy almost every scene even though this episode is about Max. Billy is dead and that’s that. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I really dont understand their love for billy😂, i don't think anyone even thought about billy during the graveyard scene, and probably even the writers/director intended for us to empathize with max for what she has gone through more than anything else, this hero worshipping is just getting too far😂. I hope we don't hear a lot about Billy in the future episodes. I feel like these guys are only perfect for fantasy/anime shows, rather than shows like this.Probably the last stranger things reaction i am watching from this channel, can't quite understand/connect with their reactions.
🙄🤦
😂😂
I just think they have lower emotional intelligence and comprehension skills.
Woosh lol. Arguably the episode with one of the best scenes in the entire show and you miss the point entirely. I guess it makes sense if you (for reasons beyond me) sympathize with Billy as much as you do. This season beautifully explores mental health but the subtext appears to be going over your heads.
At this point these two and Billy just need to get a room and get it over with 😅
Haha no doubt like I understand max grieving over billy but honestly in every scene we got billy in besides the very end when he does finally redeem himself a bit and sacrifice himself he was literally a psychopath and a racist and in general just an overall not good person and definitely not a good big brother
Like y'all acting like if Billy didn't die he just suddenly have become a great person and a stand up citizen but honestly I seriously doubt that maybe if he had the self sacrifice moment and some how lived he be a better person but even than Billy would need a lot of major therapy and reflection to become a decent person and even than I have trouble imagining that actually happening...
😂😂
Spartan would definitely let Billy cuck him
This episode really hurts for me as it so perfectly symbolizes depression. The pushing other people away, the inability to remember the good memories, the acceptance that it's not gonna get better anyway... but then also at the end the fight to survive, the feelings your friends/family give you
I been there, and it's hard
I think that's why it impacted so many people. So many of us could empathize. I cried a flood of tears. I love how they handled it and I loved the creators for addressing depression and doing it in a way that is respectful, beautiful AND congruent with the show. It's believable that they'd have trauma and so unbelievable that they're all giggles most of the time.
Yeah and notice how not one of those flash back happy memories included Billy. And thank god. Because this episode WAS NOT ABOUT BILLY…AT ALL!!
I think Vecna is a great representation of things like depression, anxiety, shame, su*cidal feelings/ideation, etc. I was struggling with some of those very badly when this episode came out, I remember sobbing afterwards because I identify so much with Max (her family background is even kind of like mine) and just feeling so much. After that, for a while, when all that bullshit would start welling up I would remember Max fighting back, grabbing Vecna and ripping off a part of him, escaping back to her friends, I'd imagine I was her and I was fighting it off and making it back to the light. It helped a lot. I haven't felt the need to do that in a good while thankfully, but this episode still gets to me every time
the song literally made Max's scene so much better what is Spartan talking about?? 😭😭
Exactly, it was amazing and the song just made it so much more! ❤
He's just aggravating at this point, almost feels intentional. Anyone does anything: "...oh but Billy!"
@@Sapoflorista He said Lucas became the joke of the season because he wasn't up to par with the gang about the murders, it's 4 episodes.
@@TheJerbolthe dude refers to himself as king spartan and your suprised haha
@@canucksandbb not surprised at all
I don't think it was just the music to make Max escape. When the boys put the headphones on Max, the music opened a little window where she could see the real world. And finally Max remembered the good, happy memories, the Trick or Treating in Season 2 (well, so it meant so much for her!!), the Snow Ball with Lucas, the happy trip to the Mall with El, all this gave her the strength to escape.
@@pannonia77 right...and Billy wasn't on any of these happy memories...🙄
Max completely stole the show this season, hands down no questions asked, and nobody even came close to being as good as she was. One thing that upsets me about your reaction is when we get to Max’s best scene you guys just make it all about Billy when it is not. This scene was not only about Max defeating Vecna but it was also a metaphor for depression. This scene was just so powerful and you guys blew right past it. This scene was about MAX and not Billy
I understand that you guys might like Billy for saving El, but that was only one scene, and just seconds before he died. If El had never brought back those memories to Billy he would have had her killed.
And I’m sorry, but in my opinion, Billy will never be close to any of the other characters. 99% of the show he was rude, abusive, racist and controlling, and idk why you guys like him so much. He was always rude to Max, Steve, and Lucas and just because of one scene now he is one of the best characters? i think not.
I understand his dad was the same to him, but that doesn’t mean you should be like that towards other people. I will never feel the way you guys feel about Billy.
And I really love you guys and you have great reactions, but these are just my thoughts on this
This was THE reaction i was waiting for since the beginning of the series and ive never been so utterly disappointed in a video from you guys. Still giving my support, but im just being honest as a long time viewer of your content.
Same. It really blew the audience away at the time, & raised the bar for ST, showcasing other characters, touching on deeper themes & keeping us on the edge. And it wasn’t really appreciated.
One of the greatest moments in modern tv history and Spartan is like “meh, wasn’t feeling it” 🙄
Would you rather he react dishonestly?
@@rexibhazoboa7097any reaction at all would have been great. But generally it seems he lacks the emotional capacity to process these more intricate moments in shows.
yeah like wtf lol
@@MooseCrossing262eh he makes a good point. He did have a reaction it just wasnt the one you wanted. This was personally top 3 episode for me but heg not everyones gonna feel that way
God forbid anyone act differently to you
I really don’t understand why you guys are so into Billy. He wasn’t a great guy even before he was affected by the mindflayer. He was misogynistic, racist, agressive bully. Sure, he had a lot of childhood trauma and abusive dad. But you know what? There is a lot of characters in the show with major trauma, and they didn’t go around beating up people. You may not be able to choose your parents and your childhood, but you are able to choose if you let those things make you a monster too.
All those other characters have a safety net of some sort. That probably helps.
It's a character. Chill
@@realisticthought1781say that to spartan then
you guys keep saying that about Billy but then you all cheer when El splits open Angelas face.
@@unrelatedcoma because Angela literally brought up el’s dad so at the very least Angela deserved worse but Billy was even worse becuase he tried to run over kids and he was a raging racist
And THAT was the scene that had people screaming at their screens not very long ago. It hit a lot of people. And made Kate Bush a shit ton of money!
I've been waiting since the 80's for Kate to finally get her due. Thank God for the Duffner Bros.
@@magicbrownie1357 I just know that something good was gonna happen
Crazy how i was literally just saying this. I never scream at my screen or stand up while watching a show but this scene had me yelling for a fictional character to runnnnnnn.
@@magicbrownie1357You’re so real for this
I've tried to hang in there with these guys and have enjoyed some previous reactions to other media, but the reactions to this season and the end of last season has done it for me. This billy thing is beyond ridiculous now.
Same. I'll ride out the rest of ST just bc I love the show so much but I didn't click on their HOTD reaction nor the latest Chernobyl one. They'll do fine without me so it's no loss to them but it's better for me. The lack of sophistication, the chest beating bravado, the worship of male heroes only, and the disdain of any female character that doesn't either kick ass or kiss male ass has become tedious. Plus, I used to enjoy P but the constant trying to guess things and giddy smirking that she was right is annoying. And then I remember, they're still in their 20s and all the above is reflective of that. Hopefully they'll grow out of it as they age & confront more in life.
Dacre played Billy well for 2 seasons, but Billy was a PoS for all but 20 minutes of those 2 seasons. He died heroically but he was no hero.
As someone who has dealt with depression for years, this episode always hits me hard.
Spartan's legit getting weird about it. Man was the definition of toxic trash, now he can't go 10 minutes without mentioning him
Ruining Billy? I think he sort of did that to himself lol
Exactly!!!
I never passionately hated a character more than Billy.
What the hell is this obsession with billy? 😂
Just because someone has a terrible childhood does not excuse that person for being a bully or abuser . He has been shown as a terrible person for 99% of the show; a few scenes of him being good cannot make someone love him this much. El had a worse childhood than Billy, far worse; she had every reason to be a villain, but she chose to be good. Heroes that deserve such love, like Harry Potter ,peter parker ,Bruce banner, and Jon Snow all had worse childhoods, but they all chose to be good. That's what makes them heroes. Surely you can like some characters better after they have their redemption, like Theon Greyjoy. However, Billy's redemption was not shown to us for long enough to like him that much. I agree he would have been a great addition to season 4, but the story is still going strong. Therefore, I think this season does not lack Billy's presence that much. But still, he is a very interesting character played by one of the best actors in the series, though.
@@lovelyedits472 He racially attacked a child too.
I think the real problem that we're (the viewers of S and P) is that they (mainly Spartan specifically) do not like Max enough to care about what really happens to her and her arc.
For example: Me personally, if Billy had had an emotional scene identical to this one where he remembered his happy memories and escaped death using his favorite song, I wouldn't really care much what happened to him. I wouldn't be on the edge of seat praying he survives like I was for Max.
You've gotta care about Max enough to truly enjoy and connect with this scene. And obviously everyone is entitled to their own personal true reaction and can react how they want to because it's their reaction. We can't force them to care about Max much as we did. Obviously.
But yeah the Billy obsession is getting a little out of hand considering this really wasn't even about him. It's almost like you guys are hindering yourselves from enjoying season 4 by not letting Billy go.
I love ya’ll but I had the biggest eye roll when what essentially was Max’s best scene in the whole series and you guys make it all about Billy. Max’s character arc this season completely destroys Billy’s in comparison.
lol at this point do the other characters need any development? they aren't billy so theyve already lost.
@@Shad0wmoses I like Billy cause he's well written but they seem to love him for him, as the racist he was.
If they give Max a hard time in the finale with the scene saying she wished for Billy’s death then I’m going to get angry 😤
@@DaadddyyyOh boy. I’m on their Patreon and… oh boy. That’s all I’ll say.
@@salvadormartinez8577oh no😳
This season has a lot of inspiration from "A Nightmare On Elm Street", where Freddy Krueger kills teens in their sleep, making them die in real life. (Christie's death resemble Tina's ceiling death from the movie). And Old Victor Creel is played by Robert Englund (Freddy Krueger, himself)
Absolutely LOVED that Robert Englund was in this.
The weird sound whenever a ticking clock is displayed also seems to be a nod to the old nightmare on elm street sound effects
It was great to have him in the show.
I went from thinking "Oh they ripped off Nightmare on Elm Street." to "Oh, this is an Homage! I love it!"
It’s much more than ‘Nightmare’, it’s 80’s horror as a whole. And it was amazing!
I always think when Dustin says "We've got bigger problems than Jason," that, yeah, you've got Freddy.
Please do us the favour and read some of the comments regarding Billy.
It's scary how easy people forget or excuse what a psycho he was.
He was “psycho” in season 2, in season 3 he did nothing wrong and saved Karen actually + the whole world also
@@tbtb771u just talking
I guess according to some comments they’ve been done with the season already on Patreon. Assuming there were comments there calling out their unwarranted Billy obsession, it’s safe to assume they’re standing their ground.
@@spazzout1k350 maybe you should rewatch?
@@tbtb771 Bob was never a psycho, also saved everyone and you don't see them talking about him on every single scene.
Spartan: "Billy would kick Vecnas ass!"
Everybody else: Um, no. He quite literally didn't. Vecna actually acknowledges how much stronger Max is than her brother............so, yeah. Billy already got his ass beat by Vecna and lost his life because of it!
Spartan will not hop off of Billy's D
He was being sarcastic. Obviously a supernatural interdimensional being isnt gonna die to a regular dude
@Cardioligist he wasnt being sarcastic though. His simping for Billy is very obvious to us all.
It's ok. It's his opinion and feelings. I just felt that him saying Billy would kick Vecnas ass was ridiculous and needed to be called out!
@@taylorludwig32 Yes hes simping but thats the whole point of the joke, hes insinuating billy would “kick vecnas ass” which is obviously not true. Its called sarcasm! Thats the literal definition
@Cardioligist you should do some more studying on what ACTUAL sarcasm means. Because that ain't it fam!
“Billy would beat the sh*t out of Vecna” spartan is DOWNN BADD for Billy what a crazy thing to say honestly
Literally one of the best episodes in the series and ya'll tried to make it all about Billy and Spartan missed ALL the nuances and meaning of the scene and just didn't like that it wasn't scary enough. And then all the post discussion is about what a "hero" Billy is (I like his arc and think his character is interesting too but come on). I was really looking forward to the reaction for this episode, disappointing. You have all this love and compassion for Billy because they showed five minutes of his abusive dad but seem to have none of that understanding for Max despite seeing how she's been treated multiple times. Why?
Same! I was so excited for this episode that I hit the like button on the way in. I had to take it back because the lack of appreciation for the Max scene is beyond disappointing. 😔
samesies
I'm done watching their reaction to this season, it's just frustrating. Spartan has the emotional depth of a puddle
@@TheJerbol so you want every reaction channel to be the exact same 💀i think their billy obsession is funny ngl. Not every reaction channel has to dissect every little thing and be emotional
@alexanderfvarela
They don't have to be the same, but they have to be reasonable
This specific episode can not be made about anyone other than Max
Like it or not ... Billy isn't part of this season in anyway
They'll be like
4x1 .. life after Billy
4x2 .. Max depressed over Billy
4x3 ..where is Billy.. bring him back
4x4 .. oh Max's nice memories with Billy will save her from Vecna.. and Billy could have kicked Vecna's ass 😂
I bet you
4x5 .. if Papa is back, then Billy can be back too
4x6 .. those bats attacking Steve .. they wouldn't dare if that was Billy
4x7 .. So Henry Creel/one killed Billy
4x8 .. aren't we getting Billy back?
4x9 ..every one is hurting Vecna.. yes, vengeance for Billy
😂
It's literally that weird and stupid
As an 80s kid, it hurt my soul that you didn't realise Victor was played by Robert Englund, the original Freddy Kruger 💔
Same here, I wonder if they've even seen any of the movies, also they obviously have no idea about Kate Bush and her song! When Max started listening to her when I was watching this season it brought me back to how much I loved the song back in the day! ❤ I feel bad for this young generation and not knowing how awesome the 80's was!
Brooo oh my jesussss how much are y’all gonna talk about a awful character atp. Billy this Billy that like damn😭
I am so over this whole Billy obsession tbh
You can like whatever character you want, of course, but man the way you talk about him is like you never watched the show at all !!
Nice memories he and Max had together?!!! 😂
The show is "ruining" Billy?!
Billy can beat Vecna?!
And Billy was a fucking hero?! HERO?!
He barely redeemed himself 😂
Wth have you guys been watching the past 2 seasons?!
The reason Max and Billy's family moved to Hawkins is covered in an official Stranger Things young adult novel, Runaway Max, it's revealed that Max was opposed to her mother's new marriage because of Neil's abusive behavior, so she kept running away to her father. So they moved to Hawkins for a "fresh start".
I'm not sure they're sticking with the novels, though. Her attitude toward her father here seems less affectionate than it was in the novel. I suspect the showrunners want to maintain their freedom and not be boxed in by the tie-ins.
Fun fact about Victor Creel, he is played by Robert Englund who played the original Freddy Krueger in A Nightmare on Elm Street
Yep Vecna is basically Freddy and most reactors don't get the joke when Dustin says to Lucas "We have bigger problems than Jason"
@@harryballsak1123 thats so niche though i wouldnt expect any reactors to understand that in real time
@@alastairty8755 Yeah because Freddy and Jason were never compared or ever put in a movie together. Oh wait
"you're ruining billy" billy would attack lucas and hate on him just because he was black and he also tried to run him over with his car
Ay yo based billy.
Billy ruined Billy. Let a shitty person take accountability at least
Bro Billy is dead already, he even apologised with his last breath, what more do you want from him?
@@tbtb771we don’t want nun from billy, their obsession wit him just needa stop
@@spazzout1k350 maybe you should just stop telling people what they should and shouldn’t enjoy? They are not your puppets
*Max being mentally tortured by visions of Billy and minutes away from death*
Spartan: Aw man, they’re ruining Billy!
🤣🤣
@@SpartanandPudgey not a compliment
@@SpartanandPudgeythis is not supposed to be funny..
@@SpartanandPudgeyAnd this response shows how little you actually understand this show or what people are saying about your poor, misplaced reaction
@@wtfdaav you guys are insufferable, go patronise someone else
I was waiting so much for this episode, but your reactions to Max's scene was like 😐 while the whole world was crazy about it at the time 😭
Exactly, like this was really a powerful ep and since Max is one of the main characters we really needed a longer screentime with vecna here and it was disappointing when their reactions were so bland to all of it, crazy how THIS song slightly reminded spartan of dustin and suzie's song like what- 🙂
Everyone collectively cried a sigh of relief when Max fell to the ground lol
@@aoitishjyat.neelam2199 ikr i don't get it why they don't give a shit about her, it's like top 3 characters for most of ppl, since people got annoyed by Mike and some other chatacters
@@cosmo588 😭😭 ik, that was THE expericence
No one is forced to react like you, okay? I love Max but I didn't have a tension reaction or anything like that in the scene, I was just anxious, but I knew she wouldn't die
i’m kind of disappointed with all this Billy stuff. In this reaction, Max’s character development and internal battle being overshadowed by Billy. They should have let him go after s3.
Great points!
It's so weird to me how much these two love Billy. I don't get it. There was not one likeable thing about him when i first watched this show.
Way to ruin a solid Max centered episode reaction by being obsessed with Billy.
I think they're missing the point.
I always love to see you guys react to Stranger Things, but this reaction bothered me a bit. This was supposed to be about Max, not about Billy at all. When Vecna was talking to Max as Billy he was telling the truth. Max feels guilty because she wanted Billy dead. Vecna does not lie to torture her, he tortures her with the truth. A truth she does not wanna accept, which causes her not to open up to her friends or anybody else. Him being abused explains why he is who he is, it doesn't excuse it. He is a racist and an abuser himself, don't forget that.
damn christ this is NOT about billy RELAX he's DEAD. i'm going insane holy fucking shit
maybe you should relax too then
@@TTArt no i don't
lol you definitely are going insane that’s for sure 😂 imagine getting this upset about someone’s opinion of a tv show
@@sirdoobiehowzer3888 calm down it's not that serious lol 💀
Love how Max's scene just ended up being a discussion about Billy... who for the entirety of last season was a POS apart from one moment where he suddenly had some humanity.
Even before being possessed by the Mind Flayer Billy wasn't a good person. Sure he was abused by his father but he started abusing Max in turn continuing that cycle of abuse. He didn't like Lucas just based on the fact that Lucas was black because if you recall he never had even a single conversation with Lucas.
So Spartan thinks Vecna is at the same level as Billy? Meh. I know, you guys like Billy (which he didn't deserved, by the way), but Vecna is a villain totally from another level. You'll see.
Yep he ain't that bright unfortunately.
Don't worry. By the end of the season they will have convinced themselves that Vecna is a misunderstood saint and will go on gushing over him for several episodes.
Seriously they are fangirling over Billy at the expense of the other kids who are true heroes.
@@bengilbert7655 guess what? JCB stans HAVE convinced themselves that Billy is worse than Vecna!
@@bengilbert7655 not only kids, what about Bob? He died saving everyone, always nice to everybody. They never say a word about him. It's all "billy, billy,billy....".
@@susannarieraSome criticism of them missing the point of the episode is one thing, but "they never said a word about him (Bob)"? You serious?
That's just wrong or outright lying. They were regularly bringing up Bob AND Barb throughout season 3. Spartan apologized several times for wrongly hating on Bob at first. Pretty sure Pudgey mentioned Barb again in season 4! Some of y'all are letting your emotions get the best of you, you're getting way off base.
Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy and Billy, GOD how desperate it is to hear them name Billy the bully all the time.
saying hop is in peak condition cause he lost weight from being starved and tortured...............
Indeed, should have said "David Habour" instead of Hopper but you know, semantics lol
They said that before too when they showed him in episode 2 Trojan was like "oh he's lost some weight! He looks good!" dude he's being tortured and starved...
He’s like a shadow of himself
I just said this….that was cringy as H*ll! 🥴
@@Kiraiko44:
The actor undoubtedly looks better though, and it shows even when they try to portray him as tortured and starved; that's what people are noticing. Also, who the hell is Trojan?
This episode may be titled “Dear Billy” but it's about MAX. I find it concerning that ur giving so much hype and love to Billy when overall... he was not a good person. Everyone in the comments here acknowledges and sympathizes with the fact he was abused growing up - but it does not excuse his own abusive actions, the bulk of which were targeted at Max. The way ya’ll sweep his problematic behaviour under the rug because of one good, heroic thing he did is worrying. Max has every right to have felt a sense of relief when Billy died even if she WANTED to love him and be loved by him. This Billy worship is sooo disconcerting sorry not sorry
Billy is in the episode for like 1 minute and he is being a dbag.
Spartan - " Max was really great in that scene. And so was Billy! My boy."
no shade billy stinks 😭 like never got over him being racist to lucas and abusive to max idgaf
you just reminded me of something, Whats the timeline of the show have they been in the 80’s for 15 years😭
@@Kevin.Costner. What on earth gave you the idea that the show takes place over the course of even anywhere near 15 years?
Season 1 takes place in 1983, and season 4 is year 1986
Never? Season 3 came out in 2019. FIVE YEARS AGO. It's just a tv show...
@@vilmavanninen6950so? They’re allowed to not like him
@@vilmavanninen6950 Huh? Have you heard of immersion? It's normal to take a stance on characters in a film or tv show you watch, and decide wether you like them or not.. It's not like OP is straight up holding grudges over BIlly as a person. Ironically, by implying they do, and that they should get over it (despite it just being a tv show) makes you the one treating the show as real life..
their obsession with Billy is one of the things that science cannot explain, they rank him over Jon Snow, Tyrion, Walter White, Jesse, Hank, Mike... like what? he tried to run over Lucas just because he's black
Bob, don't forget about Bob, the nicest man, so sweet and good to everyone who also sacrificed himself. But I guess he wasn't manly enough for them.
But is he worse than Vecna? Hm?
@@vilmavanninen6950who said he was gang 😂
This comment sections obsession with their opinions of billy is insane and should be studied. “tHiS iS aBoUt MaX nOt BiLlY” 😂
People on the comments saying that there's nothing wrong in liking a villain and that we shouldn't judge if Billy is their favorite character... okay but the problem is that they don't see him as a villain, they see him as a HERO!!!??? And the worst part is that their love for him is really affecting their vision to the whole show and they aren't even trying to understand other character's development. Also, Spartan has a visible inclination towards male characters with toxic masculine personality. That's why Dustin and Steve aren't his favorite characters anymore. And what will be his opinion about Will in further episodes? I can already imagine.
Louder for the people in the back!
"The problem is". Jesus if you can't watch their reaction without snapping at them, then don't watch their reactions at all. Not everybody interprets things like you do. The world is diverse in viewpoints. We used to celebrate that once, now people can't tolerate it, and so many of them are in the ST fanbase.
Billy was an asshole who, in the end, chose the ultimate heroic act. He sacrificed himself to save an innocent stranger. If so many ST fans could read between the lines they would see why. He did it because Eleven freed him, not just from the mind flayer, but from the mental prison he was in because of his father. The man who controlled his life and policed everything, including his emotions. Eleven was probably the only person to show him legitimate compassion since his mother left. To show him that it is not wrong to miss her and to grieve over her decision to leave him. The moment that changed his life for the worse, and his father, the original monster, metaphorically possessed him. He couldn't show empathy, he couldn't be nice to anybody or else he's some "fa**ot" like his father said. Even when Eleven asked Billy to show her what happened, he showed her his mother, the abuse she suffered, his failed attempts to protect her because he was too small to resist his father, etc. He showed that to her along with the mind flayer.
Then she figured it out, she knew how to bring him back. She knew what would give him the power to resist the influence of the mind flayer and return to before all of this happened, when he was loved and cared for, when he wasn't fucking miserable. She freed him, and in return he did what he couldn't do for his mother, he used his strength to protect Eleven, the innocent, from the monster. He finally fought back and won, only it cost him his life. He stayed alive just long enough to tell max he was sorry.
That doesn't erase anything he did in the past of course, but not all characters can have a perfect redemption arc. The past can't be changed, you can't do anything but decide in the moment. In the end he got it right and did something that not only saved Eleven but is likely to have far reaching consequences for everyone.
I appreciate how the wrapped it up for Billy, and gave his shitty personality and actions some context that can be understood. And I felt for Max in S4, because she is struggling with the loss and the fact that while they all stood there and looked in, he took on the mind flayer, one on one, and died. The guilt that she probably never even knew he was capable of that. Even the "I'm sorry" makes it so much more complicated for her. She only truly met Billy right before he died. Her journey in s4 requires that. It's the entire basis of Vecna targeting her.
guys I'm just very curious about why you like Billy so damn much? Like what's the reasoning? At the end of the day it's just a tv show so it doesn't really matter, but like I've never seen anyone being so infatuated with an evil character
What is the obsession with Billy? He was a complete jerk and most were glad he died.
Its because Spartan wants to be Billy. Being racist and a bully. He just don’t have the balls for it.
@@DonArsuk84 bro get some help
@@beaux2585 he was interesting character. I was glad when Bob died because his character sucked.
@@arnie019 Joffrey and Ramsey Bolton in GoT were "interesting characters" too. At least Bob went out a hero after being a good guy, Billy was a jerk and died as one.
Max's whole arc over the first 4 episodes is a story of trauma, immense guilt, depression and suicidal thoughts. Over the first few episodes, we see her burning her friendships, embracing depressed solitute, and she seems to not care about herself, her life, anything.
This is all very very real, and resonating for anybody who's experienced suicidal thoughts before.
Hearing her monologue of her letter to Billy explains the self-blame and guilt she has put on herself, and her inability to share the truth with anybody else. That is a hell of a lot of emotion and turmoil for a child to deal with on their own.
Then, in the moment of the Vecna attack, re-living her memories of friendsip and love, and she realises she doesn't truly want to die. She decides to FIGHT. Not just Vecna, but fight for her life.
People who don't understand this, are actually lucky. It means they probably don't resonate with being in that dark place, and that's a lovely thing, but for those of us who have, this episode absolutely hits.
I’ve never been there myself personally, but I was able to grasp all of what was going on and the emotional weight of it all. The scene brought me to tears the first time and can easily still do it.
I hope you’re still running up that hill yourself everyday.
I've never seen anyone get so attached to the racist bully character... lmao. fuck billy
just you wait for episode 6 if you didn’t learn from the one where he gets abused at home..,
Billy couldn’t handle being mind flayed let alone “kicking vecnas ass” 😂 He was not that great of a character y’all my god.
He definitely WAS a great character. Just not a great PERSON. And he could've absolutely kicked Pennywise's ass on his own, whereas Henry Bowers wouldn't have even tried to fight the mindflayer(I'm bringing this up because FAR too many of you have forgotten that this show is an homage to Stephen King's work, so yeah, it IS relevant).
@@vilmavanninen6950 Don’t compare Billy to Henry as if he had half as much depth as a character as Henry did. Like that’s my whole point. We didn’t get anything from him as a character before he bit the dust, so no he was not a great character 💀 He didn’t do anything redeeming or even remotely important before he got mind flayed, so by the time it was too late, only then did they finally start going more into his past and I honestly just didn’t care about it. It’s not like he ever planned on being a better person before everything happened so boo hoo. And that’s probably why the writers chose him to be the “host” of the mind flayer, because they made his character pointless and disposable 😂🤷🏽♀️
Why are they obsessed with Billy so much, I don’t get it wasn’t he a racist?
It's unfortunate that this episode didn't impact you guys the way it seemingly did the world collectively. To anyone who's experienced depression and thoughts like, "i wish i wasn't alive" it was incredibly emotional. And so well written. Beyond being a monster from another dimension, Vecna is a whole metaphor for the kind of depression that leads to suicidal ideation. "It's time to end your suffering." The way he tells Max that she wanted to join Billy. He (your thoughts/mind in depression) takes your trauma/guilt and makes it worse to the point that you contemplate suicide. The writing, the high stakes of it being Max, the actress's acting, the music... It all came together to give us one of the most beautiful, meaningful, and emotional scenes/stories this show has delivered. For that alone, I'll love this show forever.
FAXXXXXXXXXXXXX YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I don’t like the fact that it didn’t impact them like that the way it did for the rest of the world but it’s ok I still love them
@@kingkev6407people are different
@@KauanFelipe-px1qq true you’re right but still tho lol but you’re right
Facts
It sounded to me like it did impact Pudgey though
What do you mean Vecna was too slow? They showed us how he operates. He plays before he kills.
And Billy stunk. Let it go.
This episode right here had all social media in a chokehold, i think even Kate Bush (Artist of the song) snuck back into the billboard around the time ep released 🐐
It went to number 3! And number 1 on a number of national charts
@bblambo Spot on cheers mate^
YEPPPPPPPPPPP I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN HER 80s classic song again
Spartan's starting to remind me of Pat (Normies) and even worse Rob (RT TV)
Billy was a racist, sexist, abusive, borderline psychopathic character...
I actually liked Rob for his GoT reactions. But yeah, they have horrible opinions most the time 😂
RT TV is trash. Sexist as hell and unsophisticated (like so many reactors. I had hope for S&P but S has proven to be like that too). Is Rob the one who hates El bc she slammed Lucas back in S1 for fighting with Mike? There's one dude in that team who's fixated on her, swears she's racist. Like GMAB.
I don't follow them but I've caught some of Blind Wave and Badd Medicine and they seem to be much more elevated. Just that they talk too much.
Why do y’all expect Billy to get screen time? He died lol 😅
After watching this and the boys s4 reactions it’s clear you two have absolutely 0 media literacy, especially Spartan.
Let’s talk about a secondary racist dead character over and over again wtf
(EDIT: Holly hell, yes i don't condone Billy or the admiration Spartan/Pudgey are deeming him worthy of, but i think the comments need to chill now, they got it. Spartan has a bias for classic physical/domineering heroes that Billy fits at least aesthetically, but when i see comments downright accusing him of pandering to toxic masculinity... And even making a huge leap and accusing him of being homophobic... Rein your lynching in guys.)
I can't bring myself to appreciate billy. Prior to being subjected to the mind flayer's influence he was already dangerously violent and close to a psychopathic murderer himself. You can point out his father's abuse, which explains most of his behaviour, but plenty of people, me included, live through abuse and fight to stay close to the light.
He has reasons, not excuses. I think his charisma and pseudo-badassery is the true cause of you guys falling for him, and while he started to reedeem himself Max's guilt is as unfair as it is comprehensible. Billy knew full well how to manipulate and traumatize, as did he knew perfectly the difference between good & evil. "A good deed does not wash out the bad" - Stannis the Mannis.
Reasons not excuses - exactly!
He wasn't really close to being a murderer you have to watch it a few times to really grasp his character it was all for show so people would fear him it was his way of having control because he had an abusive father and a mother who abandoned him and he resents Max because her mother married his dad and wanted to move away from California which is the only place he knew where his mom was he has no idea where she left to but he could have been looking for her and now he is states away but he is actually protective over Max the way he was of his mother he just had a weird way of showing it he came across more controlling but guarantee if he had seen anyone hit Max he would have attacked them and protected her but he liked having her fear him so she wouldn't step out of line do such horrible things he didn't want Max to think that he was that bad guy it's all very complex
Well said! The billy worship has gone long enough
Nah, you misread him. He's wearing a mask because the real him is vulnerable. That if he lets his guard down, people will treat him like his parents did. So happy for you though. But what if you didnt have friends, or teachers or anyone who cared? What if your family lied and nobody who could have helped believed you because the denial was easier to believe than the truth? Would you have turned out the same? would you take any sheyet from anyone or anything at that point? I honestly doubt it.
@@TheRepublican777 I'm not denying the complexity of traumas & coping mechanisms. Diving into Billy's psyche/reasoning is inevitable and rather obvious. Most viewers get what you stated and more, and Spartan/Pudgey explained this viewpoint extensively.
I can only repeat that while the reasons for his behaviour are understandable they do not constitute excuses. Beating Steve to near-death, mentally harrassing his half-sister up to clearly abusive levels, constantly attacking those he perceives as weaker... Those are traits certainly dependent on his father's cruelty.
Once again, having lived and currently living through the consequences of abuse, i can relate to Billy's ordeals. I too became violent recently ; But only when actual psychosis took over. Billy is clearly not psychotic, he chooses to discharge his pain on others. Doing it consciously is a huge difference. It implies choice and accountability.
Ohhhhh wait. It’s because the actor that plays Billy is Australian, right?! I get it now. There could be NO other reason for this over-stanning 😂
I don't think they know that, I've never heard them mention it
I'm concerned with their obsession with Billy, are they mistaking the character for the actor... Billy was a racist bully. Sure, he had a shitty dad, who taught him those traits by being that way himself, but Billy made those choices himself... Will and Jonathan also had a shitty dad. People should only feel bad about Billy because Max shut down because she blamed herself for him. His sacrifice in the end was noble, considering, but it doesn't erase who he was. He even went after married women. The dude had so many problems.
This episode was the most intense thing on this show when i saw it the first time.
Billy was terrible for 99% of the show lol
antagonist:
Yeah, I'm not sure right at the end choosing to help the kids and his sister "redeems" him much after the crap he did, though to be fair he was also possessed by giant black smoke monster from another dimension etc. But the mental abuse he put Max through before that looked pretty bad as it is, so meh.
@@LordLOC I think it redeems him but yeah, we can’t just pretend like he wasn’t an asshole
If you guys can’t comprehend someone liking the character you don’t you can just not watch it, go somewhere else
@@tbtb771they’re literally obsessed with him dude
I feel the episode did a really good job in portraying Max's feelings around Billy's death. It wasn't because they had a strong and close relationship that is causing her to feel sad. Rather, it's precisely because they didn't have one. It was about the road not taken. When Billy died, he had done so whilst selflessly protecting others - a completely different side of him that Max had never seen. Which had left her wondering what else she never knew about him and whether - had life turned out differently - they could have formed a stronger sibling relationship. Unfortunately, this is something she will now never know. As such, it wasn't (mainly) about sadness over what was lost but remorse and regret over what could have been.
Stranger Things: S+P’s opinion on Billy xD
This is such a great episode for me specifically because of how much it progressed Max's character arc and was also imo an amazing tribute to Billy by highlighting Max's perspective of him. Their relationship was obviously pretty bad and toxic at the start but hearing Max open up through her letter of how things could have been if Billy survived truly made me emotional and I felt like the show handled all of it well
“I’m still here”, always gets me
Billy did redeem himself, but besides that can we just aknowledge that he was a huge racist towards Lucas not wanting Max hang out with his kind, he nearly ran over the party with his car as well as beating up children. His story is tragic deflecting the abusive nature of his father towards Max. He was no Hero, but he did have a redemption.
This whole arch with Max is such a beautiful metaphors for fighting depression.
You guys are great. But you missed a few things. #1 El signing her "Superhero" letter, FROM, El instead of Love, El... Hilarious. #2 No Max's mother was NOT there- she's working 2 jobs. That was ALL Vecna. #3 "Running Up That Hill" by Kate Bush was released in 1985. It made it back to the Billboard Charts - all the way to #8 after this episode was released. Also, "Chrissy Wake Up" by the Gregory Brothers reached #1 on Spotify after Episode 1. And #4. Vecna's House IS in Hawkins (although the REAL house where they film is in Rome, Georgia). And finally, your Billy obsession IS kinda crazy- but that's what makes you different. Now go back to BETTER CALL SAUL, or Vecna will come after you It is TIME!
Billy was extremely racist and was physically and mentally abusing Max to an extreme degree. The fact that you act like he was some kind of angel and 'misunderstood' is very worrying tbh.
The way how all of us are bound to talk about billy in this episode's reaction because of them even though Max stole the show here... it's weird
The episode was for her. Her time to shine. Max has the big arc this season. And no one can take that away from us :)
I have truly never seen someone love Billy as much as you guys do 😂😂
They probably like him so much because Dacre, who played Billy, is Australian in real life lol
I'm pretty sure it's because people expressed hate for Billy in the comments and that made them connect with him more.
I don't understand the hate for Billy either - he a fascinating character, his back story gave us some empathy for him and ultimately he got a redemptive end.
@@jonasfermefors bc they hate characters who haven't done even half of the things billy did before vecna got him. He redeemed himself at his last moment but it was too late 🤷🏻♀️ they've liked billy since season 2 before they even showed how abusive his dad was, even after him being racist and acting agressive with max.
@@xNathyRibeiro exactly, but Bob had to die for them to show him some apreciation.
Justice for Billy!❤🩹
What a tear jerker of an episode. Max's evolution in dealing with her depression and feelings of being lost to fighting to stay to saying that she's still here over and over. Billy was a terrible person to be sure but I think in the end he did redeem himself and he did love and protect Max in his own twisted way. My love for Max just intensifies in this episode.
This is the best episode of Stranger Things , it’s so powerfull , Max escaping from Vecna while “Running Up That Hill” is playing is such a an amazing moment.
Sadie Sink should have really won an emmy when this season came out.