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@@laixou YES - mileven shippers are like “THEY ARE SO INLOVE” “MILEVEN FOREVER” like I think the happiest mike has even been with eleven was when she found will - and there’s no way that the duffers have been building up byler with all these clues just to not make it happen. AND MIKE CANNOT HAVE ONE COVERSATION WITH WILL WITHOUT LOOKING AT HIS LIPS- while when his gf kisses him his eyes are just like 👁️👁️ AND WHENEVER THERE IS ANYTHING WITH EL HES ALWAYS INFRONT OF A CLOSET - like how more obvious does it need to be.
@@brunettegirl_HI! OMG i’m so sorry idk why youtube held your comment I just saw it and yes i 100% agree there is no way they did all of this since the season 1 just for nothing and that byler is just all coincidence
THIS 😭 they also are described many time as brother and sister (and as eliot and et) mike - before nancy speak to him - viewed el as another little sister… he only got in that relationship because “boys and girls is good” aka forced conformity and still ppl refuse to see this
God, the only time Will was truly happy and excited in season 4 was when he was waiting for Mike at the airport and came up to hug him. The rest of the season he was sad and cried a lot. My sunshine 😭
Will is the most shafted character fr. He’s been through more than probably everyone in the series except El at this point. Like he was trapped in the upside down and is still haunted by it and yet his character gets like zero screen time and his only role in this season was about his relationship with Mike and El? He has a special relationship with the upside down. Why is his character not used more? Also everyone is so mean to him and doesn’t treat him with enough compassion compare to the traumatic shit he’s gone through. He’s the best person out of the all despite his adversity
Marry me? (I’m joking.. or am I???) no, fr YES, the people who hate him have LITERALLY no reasons, even with the fact that he has daddy issues and all his traumas with the upside down and the fact that he was bullied and all his friends didn’t give him attention in s3, and a looot more he still the sweetest character I’ve ever seen, any other characters at this point would have become a villain. Will is the best character (In my humble opinion 🙄💞)
@@laixouI literally told my mom that Will is my fav character, and she said really? Cus he doesn't have much screen time, I was like yes, I literally love him sooi much, season 5 BETTER have more of Will than anything because he deserves so much more, my poor baby 😢😭❤
Okay, but like I never realized that Mike was SO detached this season emotionally from Eleven, but him and Will were having heart to hearts every scene? Naw, the writers knew exactly what they were doing.....
The funniest thing to me was that Mike's monologue seemed kind of off, but then after Finn said the Duffers told him to improvise part of that monologue, I was like, excuse me?! This is supposed to be the climax scene and his redemption to El, but Finn just improvised it??? I was shocked as a fan and as a writer. I tried to think may be as Finn is Mike, they wanted to give him the chance to talk from his own Mike's POV , but this scene is too important to not be fully involved as a script writer, so how is that possible??? and Finn also was so happy he came out with the "You're my super hero" line, he was so proud of himself for that lmao.
yeah finn has hated mileven from since like season 1, he’s smart enough to realize what that superhero line meant. he knows eleven’s character would HATE that
@@andrew-vn7qmhonestly finn and noah are the biggest byler shippers. Also Fun fact- Along with a chemistry test they did with Millie and Finn, guess who also had to go through a chemistry test? Flipping Noah and Finn. Byler was cannon from the start, El was supposed to die at season one, but because Millie’s acting was phenomenal, they decided to keep her. Milevan wasn’t even supposed to happen
it is not just in the end. Throughout the whole season, whenever Mike was wearing that shirt, the arrow pointed towards Will. THIS CANNOT BE A COINCIDENCE
I want to say something from my opinion if you disagree that's totally fine. :) "Soon you'll meet my friends" -El "Frie- friends? What friends?" -Will "You know, Stacy and Angela" -El "Angela!?" -Will At this point Will is obviously worried because he knows El gets bullied by Angela and doesn't want her getting hurt. But Mike looks at Will in a very sad way in this scene, because he read a letter saying that Will likes a girl and is making art for them, and is thinking that Angela is the one he likes, meaning he gets jealous. More evidence to this is that even though Mike knows about the painting as El clarified the details in her letter, he still has to ask what it is, then plays it off. Plus, in one of the argument scenes the music playing is called in the closet, remind you of anything? This happens at this bit. "I-I don't know, maybe you should've reached out more? I'm not sure, but why is this all on me? Why am I the bad guy?" The instrumental as soon as Mike says this, indicating he is "in the closet" In the scene of El's bedroom, we see a box full of pictures and things while frowning and looking miserable, and we all know that Mike is awkward in pictures and hates to be recorded, even though he let's Will record him on halloween with no complaints. In season 3, when Will destroys Castle Byers, he rips the picture of him and his friends, including Mike who happens to be... smiling?
Who dare you spoiling my next video 🤨 (I’m joking) but fr yes I agree with everything and it’s literally the subject of my next video 😭💞 thank you so much for your comment :3
Bro they needed an episode where Mike and Will go to Murray and talk try to talk about plot stuff but then he ends up shipping them. Cause like Murray was THERE and all his ships become cannon.
Plus Murray has clocked the other two Byers (Joyce and Jonathan) and got jopper and jancy together 😭 so it only makes sense that he makes byler happen in some sense
I love how Eleven is like “you don’t know what it’s like.” When Mike says “I have been bullied my entire life” I think she forgot that she had to save him from jumping off a cliff.
I agree, but I think she meant that he cannot understand or know what it’s like, not because of the bullying, but the rest of her traumas, and how she would always feel like a monster because of them she didn’t grew up having a home or parents etc
@@laixou Plus season 4 was the season of when we find out she sent 001 to the Upside Down. After she hit Angela with the skate and Mike said " what did you do, El what did you do? " she immediately flashbacked to Brenner saying " What have you done " which was in the second episode. But we originally saw more of it in the opening scene of the first episode when a whole bunch of kids were killed in the rainbow room with a very young El standing with blood all over herself as Brenner yells " what have you done ". I think it was more on that. Thinking she killed all those kids and parts of that memory were just starting to resurface.
@laixou i don’t even think it was about that because otherwise she would’ve clarified what she was referring to. what she meant by “you don’t understand” is about how much she struggles to fit in and understand a society and all it’s rules whenever she never grew up on it, she doesn’t just feel targeted because of bullying, she feels like there’s no way for her to fit in because she doesn’t know HOW to, unlike mike and the rest of the party who was bullied for who they CHOSE to be, el still hasn’t even been able to find who she is, which adds another layer of alienation to her bullying
IT'S INCREDIBLE I LOVE IT !! Btw seeying tiny mike hugging Karen made me realize something. If you remember closely, mike only hugged his mom 2 times in the INTIRE série. The first time was when will died and the second time when the Byers left for California.
Thank you so much! I feel like Karen is coded for knowing about Mike and Will and being supportive about it (i think that specifically because of the talk they had about Will in season 1)
@@laixou I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE !!! OMGGG but seriously, i hate that people talks shit about Karen just because of Ted or because of what happened with Billy. I mean she's not the best mom, but you can see that she tries. Same with mikes hater like dude- he has his own shit at home and litterally you can see that his anger and feelings are hidden inside him, and he doesn't share about it. The scene with Hoper in season 2 shows it well i think. I love mike, he's such an incredible character but there's one thing that i hate the most about his relationship with el, more than anything, and it's not about the show but more about the fandome. Every fucking time i speak about mike, people litterally says "oh, el's boyfriend" LIKE BITCH ?! HE'S A PERSON TOO ?! That is one of the many reasons why i prefer byler over mileven. With Will, he gets to be seeing for his true self, people remember him when he's with will while when he's with el, he just... Disappears
@@Lost_in_BU Omgg ilysmnn you are so me!! I have mommy issues and Karen is a fucking good mother she tries her best and I hate when people call her a bad mother or a slut, people forget that Mike is a human and that he has traumas I’ll never understand how they can hate him (even Will he literally did nothing wrong). Sometimes on my byler videos, I receive comments like ‘what about El’ and I really love El but this is not about her it’s about Mike and Will like dawmmm.
@@laixou i feel you so much, luckily for me i don't have mommy or daddy issues, but i can see a good parent when i see one, and Karen is a good mom. Of course she made some mistakes but who doesn't? She tries to be there for her children cus she knows Ted isn't. Karen and Joyce are literally the best moms from the serie, i love them both so much ! And i'm sorry to learn that you have that.. if you want to talk about it, you can write to me idm !
And nobody notices that THE ONLY TIME when mike says he loves el was when she was in death danger. Like already halfway dead. And if she wasnt in death danger maybe he wouldnt even say it by his own free will.
But it wasn't even of his own free will 💀 Like before he does say "I love you" we can see Will pressuring into saying something like that. I'm pretty sure if not for Will pressuring him he wouldn't have said it.
Imo if the duffers just make mike and el break up and make byler cannon after the wholesome speech mike gave el at the end of s4 i will actually hunt down the duffers
@@Mitsuribbg “wHoLeSoMe sPeEcH” lmao, the “super important” speech was actually improvised by Finn. The writers didn’t even care enough to write it and told Finn to improvise the whole thing 😭 Also, Will was in the background THROUGHOUT HIS WHOLE SPEECH. Imagine Steve just lurking around in the corner while Nancy confesses her undying love for Jonathan 💀 You can ship whomever you want but even Mileven shippers agree that that speech was really cringe 😬
@@apolloismydad idc if duffers didnt wanna write it or if finn improvised, and idk which mileven shippers ur talking to but every mileven shipper i have met all agree that speech was wholesome plus who cares if will was in the background? U byler shippers gotta admit even if eleven doesnt like mike anymore because of mike not saying i love u to her, Mike still likes her btw correct me if im wrong but is it even confirmed that will is gay? Like im gonna admit Mike probably is bi but he still likes el and u gotta admit.
@@Mitsuribbg "who cares if will was in the background" do you understand a single thing about cinematography and what it's supposed to convey?? and will IS confirmed gay and IN LOVE with mike. like the fact that you couldn't recognize that shows that maybe you need to improve those media literacy skills + pay a little more attention to the story. bylers have been right about EVERYTHING going on with Will since 2016!! why? cause they actually take time to analyze the show and understand the writing direction. so why would they suddenly be wrong about mike now?
something i noticed with the scene where mike apologizes to will in his room, the same song that plays during scene where lucas and max has their first 'romantic tension' scene on the rooftop of the bus in season 2 plays.
20:46 later in this scene mike looks happy then looks at will then becomes sad because he realized that he doesn't know how to tell eleven that he loves will
this is such a great analysis, the editing was so good and hilarious...totally missed the stancy parallel but that is such an insane observation...wow i love mike. it's like most people don't care about him, the love that he deserves and needs, people just dehumanize him, it's unfair. for mike, the only person who has always accepted him for who he truly is, is will. time and again we see how unashamed and uninhibited mike feels when he is alone and with will. they don't have any rules to live by, their relationship is theirs alone. they don't have to refer to books, movies, soap operas or society to figure out what can make the other happy, they know each other, they know what makes the other person happy and contended. their only reference is memory, memory of each other's past and present. they don't need to kiss and smooch to fulfil the needs of a true relationship. theirs isn't platonic or romantic love, it's a love composed of every form of care and loving that can ever be, brotherly or friendly or romantic or anything, it is just LOVE, unlabelled, unhindered, untouched by the outside world. it has the potential to grow into something more, yet in its current form, it is still so intimate and personal, like nothing they have with anyone else. everytime one makes mistakes or upsets the other (which is mostly mike), the understanding and the growth that follows (just like in s4) is just so natural and shows how DEEPLY THEY THINK ABOUT EACH OTHER. like the maturity in their conversations since s1 is just mindblowing. at best mike and el's relationship is an example of how damaging heteronormativity is, pretty realistic anygays thanku for making this vid. subscribed, liked and looking forward to more from your channel...
Wow. You’ve made me cry. Thank you so much, I agree with everything you’ve said and I’m so glad that you enjoyed the video. I’ll definitely be back for more
Agreed with everything SO MUCH! Especially the Mike and El part. Heteronormativity as a normal can be so destructing and we see this as a perfect example in Mileven.
not me watching byler videos on loop until the last season is released bc i cant get over them 😂😂 thank you for making those, and the editing was hilarious😂
22:26 I find it so strange how mike said that to el even though we know it’s a lie like he told will that the best thing he ever did was ask will to be his friend. And now this? Mileven shippers need to bffr
i wasn’t a byler shipper at first. but i definitely wasn’t a mileven shipper either… somehow, mike and el’s relationship always felt a bit off to me. as if the writers were trying to make us believe in something that wasn’t even truly there… i didn’t ship byler, but i watched season 4, and i have eyes. it’s obvious that will loves mike. mike, on the other hand, is still lost and confused at a time when homosexuality was a difficult thing to even know about or severely criticised. let’s not forget that mike struggles with showing emotions in general (we also can observe the same behaviour with his sister nancy), probably because of the way he was raised. mike believes that once a relationship is stated, that it will stay that way forever. therefore, he doesn’t do anything (or at least not enough) to maintain the relationship going (with both el AND will). just like his parents’ relationship work… mike hasn’t learned that relationships are both owed and a reward for the people who get their ass up and actually do things to preserve them. and in season 4, will is the one showing mike how it works, how relationships work : he offers him a gift he MADE BY HIMSELF especially for him, he reassures him, he listens to him, he gives him advice… i mean will literally teaches mike how to speak to his girlfriend at the end of the show, so… all in all, season 4 shows us that mike and will need each other more than el needs mike. i think we can all agree that will’s gonna play an important role on whatever mike’s gonna evolve to in the next season
Honestly, mileven is supposed to feel odd to reflect Mike's family and all. The fact he's parents never loved each other, and he's mom LITERALLY tried cheating on her husband and then regretted after. But they kept the relationship because of they're children, probably because they think that if they broke up it would be a messed up family. But since they never loved each other, it was more difficult representing a romantic relationship to they're children. So maybe that's why Mike just goes straight on dating El
you got the part with mike and will completely wrong. mike isn’t a fuсking dumbаss рiесе оf shit, he understand how to maintain a fucking relationship and be a giver💀he provides literally so much in all of his relationships because that’s his character, the only part of his home life that’s bleeding into his relationship in a way that makes him less attentive is his ROMANTIC relationship with el, but that’s not because he doesn’t understand how they work, that makes zero sense, even when someone doesn’t get taught how dating works they still have FEELINGS that make them do the right things to and for their partner, the issue is that mike has zero desire to be dating el which leaves him with zero motivation to do those couple-y things. this was overall a pretty bad take💀especially for a comment left on a pretty thorough video…..
When he said “we’re friends” he took wills question as “but me? I like you” but will meant it as “well yeah but we’re best friends” and will took mikes “we’re friends” as “we’re just friends” he thought he was minimizing their friendship and Mike wanted will to believe he just liked him as a friend
And when will said “you called maybe a couple times” he didn’t know how much Mike was trying to call him. He thought he was ignoring him and Mike knew Joyce was on the phone and wanted will to do something about it and try to call him too
Mike was in the wrong for not being on els side but el doesn’t know he also feels like an outcast everywhere and like a monster (this is in the middle of the aids pandemic)
And if he did love eleven he would first of all be on her side and if he was jealous of will (platonic) because he thought he forgot him he’d still comfort eleven and not yell at her like he has done since season one. And then when he realized what was going on more (in the apology scene) he would try to comfort her as much as possible and tell her he loves her. He knew that’s what she wanted to hear because she literally says “but you don’t love me anymore?”
Just wanna say if don’t ship byler that’s totally fine and valid but please don’t be mean about it and leave rude comments. We’re all allowed to have our own opinions. And if this video makes you uncomfortable than this video just isn’t for you. And you can go watch something else you enjoy that makes you happy. Or you can stay here to try and understand this relationship. Anyway what I’m trying to say is just be respectful. This person put a lot of time and effort into making this video so please acknowledge that.
Perhaps Mike was initially in love with El, but as time went by, he lost those feelings and started to imagine that El was Will whenever they had romantic moments.
At 22:52, he hardly knew her, so it's obvious that his feelings hadn't started to develop yet. He may have had feelings for Will before he went missing but just thought it was normal. This seems like a reasonable explanation since he was just a kid. It's difficult to know what's a crush and what's not. Maybe he fell in love with El because he saw her as Will but with powers, or because of her looks. I mean, how can you fall in love with someone who only says one word? Perhaps he just found her cool and pretty, and that's how he thought being in love was like for him. He might have felt the same way towards Will, but he wasn't sure if it was love or not since back then, LGBTQ+ wasn't accepted as it is now. So, he might have just thought that this is how friends feel when you have those feelings towards a guy, but if it's a girl, then it must be love. Does that make sense? I also think that if it's true, perhaps he began to see El as Will over time.
@@thepinnemax@thepinnemax i can confirm this happens when you're a kid and you don't know a thing about lgbtq or even love in general... i had a crush on a girl ( I'm 100% sure ) and i always wished that I was born a boy so I can happily marry her and I kept looking at her 24/7 cuz she was the prettiest girl to me... i thought this was how best friends acted towards each other and that every girl wished to marry her best friend "platonically" fast forward to now, I'm bisexual lmao maybe Mike is too
@thepinnemax i feel like this is the actual explanation for his actions; no projection, no conscious choice of “this is what i have to do to try and hide my feelings/queerness,” just a lot of confusion coming from mike not understanding what he’s supposed to feel for friends/partners when they’re a girl/boy and thinking that it’s ok and normal to feel how he does towards will because “it’s just always been like that and that’s how everyone feels towards their best friend” and that his feelings about el must be what every boy feels towards girls that they want to date because he’s never felt it before (only towards will atp but he just thought they were friendly feelings and that they were different)
6:54 I've seen people make this about El dismissing Mike's trauma but she clearly means he doesn't understand because she is not a normal person, plus he always had the party, and she has no one. Just wanted to say this bc ppl really tried to paint mike as the victim here and it's just insane.
right??? i've said this, it's not dismissing his trauma, it's just that they are too different, she has been in the real world for like 2 years after being used like an experiment D:
i feel like mike fell more inlove with idea of el rather than el herself. she was almost a savior to him, she had brought back will who he cared so deeply about. he knew that it was the stereotypical thing to get a gf, it was smth he's 'supposed to' do. he cared for el and just assumed that 'oh she's a girl i care abt? i should be in a relationship w her'. he wasnt able to differentiate his platonic and romantic feelings. during s1 & 2 they were still young and the relationship wasnt as serious, so he hadnt realized this. during s3, u can see how mike starts to almost put on act for him and el's relationship. he's just going through the motions w her and doing stereotypical relationship things because he 'has to.' once they move away, mike is given time to think about his feelings and realize that maybe he doesnt like el in that way, maybe it's will he feels more deeply for. during s4 u can see how he rlly doesnt love el and the act is starting to slip, as well as his internalized homophobia and tension w will. hopefully in s5 he will finally come to terms w his true feelings!! that was so long btw wow.
Im sorry for anyone who can’t see that mike is SO comfortable arround will . It’s not just bEst friends no , there is something warmer that el and mike doesn’t has … I feel like make takes courage and happiness and tenderness from will’s talking so much that if duffer brothers decided to make em just best friends it’s gonna be so akward..the tension is so real
This was such a good analysis video (and I couldn't stop laughing) like seriously in the van scene Mike is just staring at will the whole time, he can't even concentrate because he's so mesmerized by Will. Mike don't think I don't know what you are.
i love that you mentioned the cliff mike scene i always thought it really showed how much mike felt like believing will was gone the fact maybe he thought once he jumped he would see will will again breaks my heart IDK HOW PPL CAN HATE MIKE YES IK HE CAN COME OFF AS AN ASSHOLE SOMETIMES BUT SERIOUSLY I COULD GO INTO A WHOLE MIKE ANALYSIS ON HOW HE IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD AND STRUGGLING WITH HIMSELF AND HIS FEELINGS
I love the analysis! What I want to happen is El dumps Mike for being a shitty boyfriend but I also want the painting to come up in that conversation and Mike finds out that El didn't know about the painting and I want Mike to go confront or ask Will about it and then Will like confesses and then like a kiss :)
THE TRIANGLE SHIRT WAS SO SMART OMG, but fr though, el deserves a much better boyfriend (or girlfriend🤭) that actually knows love and can express love. Mike and Nancy has never experienced real love because their parents doesn’t usually show it. I hope el will finally notice Mike’s true feelings and live her own happy life without thinking about mike anymore. Max and her is actually a better representation to a couple. But anyway, byler endgame
I know this video is old and I knew almost everything (besides some parallels, nice catches!) but it was fun to watch with all your edits and the vines lmao (also I cried too again bc poor gays I love em so much)
Holy moly..if will knew how worried and frustrated mike was when he went missing ...bruh he would've died. Seriosly like he was so worried and never stopped beliving that he was alive unlike his other friends..yo its crazy
Well Lucas and Dustin did care. It's just that season 1 showed that Mike cared a whole lot more ( and I think there was a reason ). Just like in season 2 when Will gets possessed while Dustin and Lucas focus more on new girl Max.
I think when Will went missing Mike was forced to confront his feelings about Will and how important he was to him. Realizing how important someone is to you and fighting for them can feel like the beginning of living.
OKAY one of my theories is that when Mike held the phone for will and said "That remind you of anything?" He was trying to say that's all he could hear when he would try to call Will, but the phone was always busy!
instead of being a good bf and telling her that he loves her he js denies it and can’t take responsibility 😭 he keeps reminding her that she’s his superhero like omg we know that 😭😭
I honestly love the amount of detail the writers and actors put into stuff like mike trying to call, it’s makes it really fun to piece everything together and get to “EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!”
24:53 oh my god literally I relate to Mike ALOT every single thing he has done and say, it's like I know what he's thinking/feeling and I feel hated or guilty when people hate on him 😞
The analysis is great! Although I always viewed Mike as bisexual. Maybe it's because I'm bisexual and the idea of a bisexual character makes me happy or because I subconsciously tend to view characters that I like as bi but in my opinion it makes a lot of sense. He constantly checks up on both Will and Eleven (he does not do that with others in a similar manner) and seems to care about both of them a lot.
@@laixou I see it as bi with a heavy male lean like he found el good looking at some points and had some attraction maybe? But yeah that’s how I see it recently
as a fellow bi person, I used to see him as bi too! although the signs for him being gay seemed more plausible when I saw them being pointed out... but to each their own. having Mike be bi would be fucking awesome, but I think it makes more sense for him to be gay
Idk if you'll see this but I love that because you realte to Will the van scene made you sad. Not that I love seeing you sad- just that it's interesting because I relate to Mike a lot and love him with all my heart. When I watch that scene all I can feel is such a suffocating bittersweet affection and just awe. The way the light shines through on Noah. Finn's face as his eyes dart down legit makes my stomach swoop. Not in a romantic way for the actor/character, but moreso just the raw feelings created from the acting skills and music. Tender Emotional Music strikes again. Whenever I watch the scene all I can feel is this deep longing and yearning and such a wanting understanding and acceptance. It's why I really think Mike is in love with Will. I'm not a gay man in the 80s (I'm a lesbian in the year of our lord and savior 2023, the great Stranger Things drought), so why is his actor envoking the feelings inside me of one??? The scene is not giving me feelings of a straight main confiding in his secretly gay friend. *Whispers* They're both secretly gay, your honor 👩🏼⚖️
Woa, this is so beautifully written!! I agree with everything, I genuinely don’t understand how people do not see their tension; I mean, it is SO obvious 😭😭 *whisper back* Yes, that it very correct your honour.
Hey I’m late but I also wanna point something else. In the second season, there are a lot of Byler scenes and in fact you can see how much Mike cares about Will. So everybody is asking why since the third season Mike started treating Will bad, and I think that the reason it’s because the dance, in the end of second two, made Mike develop internalised homophobia. Of course we all know that he has it, but it developed just there because he started seeing everybody coupling with someone, even Will,so he thought he had to do it too and started following society by dancing with El. I know this might sound obvious and banal but it really tells you the reason why Mike it’s been like that since season three.
@@Benny-jq2xu hi! Thank you so much for your comment and for pointing this up! I’ve made this more for joking but I talk about this on my new video (i focus on Mike pov in every season :3)
the way Will was crying while talking about his feelings in the car scene and people actually think he was really talking about Eleven and not just using her as a metaphor for his own feelings is INSANE because why would he be crying while explaining someone else’s feelings
@@rott1ngmoss because he is not human but a character of a show and it is made by directors that could potentially enjoy using foreshadowing and metaphors! :>
@@rott1ngmoss oh wait nonooo im sry I just misread what you wrote I thought you ment the exact opposite of what you said 😭 so sorry, and yea that was literally so obvious but some pp still think Mikes monologue of s4 was sooo well written and romantic 😭😭 so at this point nothing chokes me
@@laixou OHH!! it’s okay don’t worry, i was a bit confused by your answer but im glad we’re on the same page!! thank you for making this video btw i absolutely love it 🙏🙏💗💗
i’m just realizing that 26:51 the flowers are literally a shade of indigo (which is technically blue) and yellow. Blue and yellow is one of the most common things we see when it comes to byler
8:25 its not just mike, but nancy too. They both dont admit their love, like steve asked nancy to say it but nancy didnt know how too, same like mike in this moment and in season 3 when he was sitting down with el in the store.
12:55 fun fact: the song playing in the background "on the bus" played in a s2 Lumax scene and in the script it says that Mike and Will got interrupted by the doorbell ringing and in the show they got interrupted by the tires, plus the interruption trope is a romantic trope and Lumax also got interrupted in s2
The side to side comparison of mike talking to el and to will are such cool parallels. Like, he was mad at will but then he goes and is all flirty and honest and apologizes (cause he knows he was being an idiot too) and to will he can't lie, he can't stay angry( which I think was more like denial about his feelings and jealousy about the angela thing) But with el is so hard for him to actually apologize and say what she wants to hear ( which he kinda says pushed by will when shes about to die and is a contradicting lie) he tries so hard to not say the words and deflects guilt towards her, he's defensive and unconfortable, but with will he uses his will voice and is so happy to be back on good terms which I think shows how he can be himself and relax with will, cause them are just natural, but with el is like putting on an act . I really think they will make byler canon and mike queer canon too and hope they don't disappoint. They have so much queer coding in this show and byler has so much indepth, mileven is just platonic
side note: the sing playing in the background of the scene where mike apologizes to will is the the SAME TRACK as when lucas and max are on top of the bus in season 2 a.k.a. a peak romance moment. crazy musical symbolism.
23:52 "and we kissed as though nothing could fall" these lyrics were playing while Mike was hugging his mom and thinking about Will and in s3 they played this song again but they didn't use these lyrics because they're reserved to Byler, i think they're gonna play this song again during Mike and Will's first kiss (hopefully they'll play the Bowie version? because it's happier)
I love and hate how oblivious Mike is sometimes; I mean that van scene was LITERALLY Will confessing to him bro- and he even tried again when they were sitting on top of that random car.. so goofy and gay
After watching this I realize how much el loves mike and how much mike doesn’t love her💀 mike loves her as A FRIEND ONLY Bc the way he says ily to her in the last episode is sounds like a platonic thing not romantic kinda sounded forced Also realize how much he didnt care in this scene 6:07 not even a slight change in his emotion not a care in the world Also in season 2 when eleven broke Mike, Lucas and Dustin’s bully’s arm Mike was happy and proud But when eleven hurts her bully he’s upset?? Wtf Mike??
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@@laixou YES - mileven shippers are like “THEY ARE SO INLOVE” “MILEVEN FOREVER” like I think the happiest mike has even been with eleven was when she found will - and there’s no way that the duffers have been building up byler with all these clues just to not make it happen.
AND MIKE CANNOT HAVE ONE COVERSATION WITH WILL WITHOUT LOOKING AT HIS LIPS-
while when his gf kisses him his eyes are just like 👁️👁️ AND WHENEVER THERE IS ANYTHING WITH EL HES ALWAYS INFRONT OF A CLOSET -
like how more obvious does it need to be.
I LAUGHED TOO HARD AT THIS
Fr tho in the script mike was originally supposed to cry when el dumped him tho finn and Millie disagreed so they didn't
LMAOO THIS IS SO TRUE
@@brunettegirl_HI! OMG i’m so sorry idk why youtube held your comment I just saw it and yes i 100% agree there is no way they did all of this since the season 1 just for nothing and that byler is just all coincidence
Mike is so gullible. Will could make out with mike and when they are done he could say “that was from el” and he’d be like “Oh cool!”
Lol fr thoo
This is the best comment bc it's so true
Real.
beushshheuheheu😭
Wait is this AUTILLY GETEN?(if it is your 1 of my top fav characters
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mike giving cold eggos and no fork and knife to el is such sibling behavior 💀🖐
THANK YOU! Finally, someone who noticed this geez💀
@@laixou idk how people can't notice that 👁👄👁 take my mom and sister for example
THIS 😭 they also are described many time as brother and sister (and as eliot and et) mike - before nancy speak to him - viewed el as another little sister… he only got in that relationship because “boys and girls is good” aka forced conformity and still ppl refuse to see this
@miriam russo ikrrr, it's so frustrating when the signs are literally in the show, but my mom and sister are too blind to see it
FRRR
The sibling judgememt after Mike said "she didn't look fine" 💀
I laughed pretty hard and I don’t even know why
Lol
God, the only time Will was truly happy and excited in season 4 was when he was waiting for Mike at the airport and came up to hug him. The rest of the season he was sad and cried a lot. My sunshine 😭
I know right 😭 I love Mike a lot but geez he made me so mad Will is so precious ☹️
Will is the most shafted character fr. He’s been through more than probably everyone in the series except El at this point. Like he was trapped in the upside down and is still haunted by it and yet his character gets like zero screen time and his only role in this season was about his relationship with Mike and El? He has a special relationship with the upside down. Why is his character not used more? Also everyone is so mean to him and doesn’t treat him with enough compassion compare to the traumatic shit he’s gone through. He’s the best person out of the all despite his adversity
Marry me? (I’m joking.. or am I???) no, fr YES, the people who hate him have LITERALLY no reasons, even with the fact that he has daddy issues and all his traumas with the upside down and the fact that he was bullied and all his friends didn’t give him attention in s3, and a looot more he still the sweetest character I’ve ever seen, any other characters at this point would have become a villain. Will is the best character (In my humble opinion 🙄💞)
he's literally my comfort character I will come at anyone who slanders him with a machete
@@laixou will is a tragic, hopeless gay teenage mess and i'm here for it because honestly, me too
I'll bring the fire and Acid!
@@DhrithionVocals
@@laixouI literally told my mom that Will is my fav character, and she said really? Cus he doesn't have much screen time, I was like yes, I literally love him sooi much, season 5 BETTER have more of Will than anything because he deserves so much more, my poor baby 😢😭❤
Okay, but like I never realized that Mike was SO detached this season emotionally from Eleven, but him and Will were having heart to hearts every scene? Naw, the writers knew exactly what they were doing.....
8:11
“But you don’t love me anymore?”
“I am a unicorn”
The funniest thing to me was that Mike's monologue seemed kind of off, but then after Finn said the Duffers told him to improvise part of that monologue, I was like, excuse me?! This is supposed to be the climax scene and his redemption to El, but Finn just improvised it??? I was shocked as a fan and as a writer. I tried to think may be as Finn is Mike, they wanted to give him the chance to talk from his own Mike's POV , but this scene is too important to not be fully involved as a script writer, so how is that possible??? and Finn also was so happy he came out with the "You're my super hero" line, he was so proud of himself for that lmao.
Here’s the thing… Finn is a byler shipper
@@jaydajohn5041 fr?
yeah finn has hated mileven from since like season 1, he’s smart enough to realize what that superhero line meant. he knows eleven’s character would HATE that
@@amandadani0618 that's so funny actually, finn a fellow byler shipper. Thanks
@@andrew-vn7qmhonestly finn and noah are the biggest byler shippers. Also Fun fact- Along with a chemistry test they did with Millie and Finn, guess who also had to go through a chemistry test? Flipping Noah and Finn. Byler was cannon from the start, El was supposed to die at season one, but because Millie’s acting was phenomenal, they decided to keep her. Milevan wasn’t even supposed to happen
the triangle on mike's shirt at the end actually made me swear that's so BRILLIANT I NEVER KNEW-
Hihi thank you
it is not just in the end. Throughout the whole season, whenever Mike was wearing that shirt, the arrow pointed towards Will. THIS CANNOT BE A COINCIDENCE
RIGHT I WAS SO EXCITED
@@apolloismydadCOINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT!!
I want to say something from my opinion if you disagree that's totally fine. :)
"Soon you'll meet my friends" -El
"Frie- friends? What friends?" -Will
"You know, Stacy and Angela" -El
"Angela!?" -Will
At this point Will is obviously worried because he knows El gets bullied by Angela and doesn't want her getting hurt. But Mike looks at Will in a very sad way in this scene, because he read a letter saying that Will likes a girl and is making art for them, and is thinking that Angela is the one he likes, meaning he gets jealous. More evidence to this is that even though Mike knows about the painting as El clarified the details in her letter, he still has to ask what it is, then plays it off. Plus, in one of the argument scenes the music playing is called in the closet, remind you of anything? This happens at this bit.
"I-I don't know, maybe you should've reached out more? I'm not sure, but why is this all on me? Why am I the bad guy?" The instrumental as soon as Mike says this, indicating he is "in the closet"
In the scene of El's bedroom, we see a box full of pictures and things while frowning and looking miserable, and we all know that Mike is awkward in pictures and hates to be recorded, even though he let's Will record him on halloween with no complaints. In season 3, when Will destroys Castle Byers, he rips the picture of him and his friends, including Mike who happens to be... smiling?
Who dare you spoiling my next video 🤨 (I’m joking) but fr yes I agree with everything and it’s literally the subject of my next video 😭💞 thank you so much for your comment :3
opinion? more like straight-up facts
@@byler_endgayme FRRRRRR
I totally agree
Holy reach.. Why you people trying to make a little kid gay?
21:19 OMG I WAS LITERALLY SAYING THIS IM SO GLAD SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE FACT THE EL DEFINITLY HEARD WILL TELLING MIKE TO KEEP TALKING
Lol, that's probably why, at the end, el just passed by Mike and will, side eyeing them
Bro they needed an episode where Mike and Will go to Murray and talk try to talk about plot stuff but then he ends up shipping them. Cause like Murray was THERE and all his ships become cannon.
Plus Murray has clocked the other two Byers (Joyce and Jonathan) and got jopper and jancy together 😭 so it only makes sense that he makes byler happen in some sense
YES PLEASEEEEE
I love how Eleven is like “you don’t know what it’s like.” When Mike says “I have been bullied my entire life” I think she forgot that she had to save him from jumping off a cliff.
I agree, but I think she meant that he cannot understand or know what it’s like, not because of the bullying, but the rest of her traumas, and how she would always feel like a monster because of them she didn’t grew up having a home or parents etc
@@laixou oh yeah, that makes sense.
@@laixou Plus season 4 was the season of when we find out she sent 001 to the Upside Down. After she hit Angela with the skate and Mike said " what did you do, El what did you do? " she immediately flashbacked to Brenner saying " What have you done " which was in the second episode. But we originally saw more of it in the opening scene of the first episode when a whole bunch of kids were killed in the rainbow room with a very young El standing with blood all over herself as Brenner yells " what have you done ". I think it was more on that. Thinking she killed all those kids and parts of that memory were just starting to resurface.
@laixou i don’t even think it was about that because otherwise she would’ve clarified what she was referring to. what she meant by “you don’t understand” is about how much she struggles to fit in and understand a society and all it’s rules whenever she never grew up on it, she doesn’t just feel targeted because of bullying, she feels like there’s no way for her to fit in because she doesn’t know HOW to, unlike mike and the rest of the party who was bullied for who they CHOSE to be, el still hasn’t even been able to find who she is, which adds another layer of alienation to her bullying
Johnathan be like: "oh will... sweet will... WHY HIM?!?!" 😂
"Hello, my name is Johnatan, I'm gonna ruin every romantic scene! :3 "
Frrr😂
IT'S INCREDIBLE I LOVE IT !! Btw seeying tiny mike hugging Karen made me realize something. If you remember closely, mike only hugged his mom 2 times in the INTIRE série. The first time was when will died and the second time when the Byers left for California.
Thank you so much! I feel like Karen is coded for knowing about Mike and Will and being supportive about it (i think that specifically because of the talk they had about Will in season 1)
@@laixou I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE !!! OMGGG but seriously, i hate that people talks shit about Karen just because of Ted or because of what happened with Billy. I mean she's not the best mom, but you can see that she tries. Same with mikes hater like dude- he has his own shit at home and litterally you can see that his anger and feelings are hidden inside him, and he doesn't share about it. The scene with Hoper in season 2 shows it well i think. I love mike, he's such an incredible character but there's one thing that i hate the most about his relationship with el, more than anything, and it's not about the show but more about the fandome. Every fucking time i speak about mike, people litterally says "oh, el's boyfriend" LIKE BITCH ?! HE'S A PERSON TOO ?! That is one of the many reasons why i prefer byler over mileven. With Will, he gets to be seeing for his true self, people remember him when he's with will while when he's with el, he just... Disappears
@@Lost_in_BU Omgg ilysmnn you are so me!! I have mommy issues and Karen is a fucking good mother she tries her best and I hate when people call her a bad mother or a slut, people forget that Mike is a human and that he has traumas I’ll never understand how they can hate him (even Will he literally did nothing wrong). Sometimes on my byler videos, I receive comments like ‘what about El’ and I really love El but this is not about her it’s about Mike and Will like dawmmm.
@@laixou i feel you so much, luckily for me i don't have mommy or daddy issues, but i can see a good parent when i see one, and Karen is a good mom. Of course she made some mistakes but who doesn't? She tries to be there for her children cus she knows Ted isn't. Karen and Joyce are literally the best moms from the serie, i love them both so much ! And i'm sorry to learn that you have that.. if you want to talk about it, you can write to me idm !
@@Lost_in_BU No it’s okay you’re not the longest comment I received
This was a beautiful analogy and you make Mike a thousand times more tolerable to me ,if they don't make Byler real in this season I'm gonna be so mad
Ty! Mike is a good character but he is misunderstood :((
yooo that's sooo trueeee !!!!! We want Byler !!!!
And nobody notices that THE ONLY TIME when mike says he loves el was when she was in death danger. Like already halfway dead. And if she wasnt in death danger maybe he wouldnt even say it by his own free will.
But it wasn't even of his own free will 💀
Like before he does say "I love you" we can see Will pressuring into saying something like that. I'm pretty sure if not for Will pressuring him he wouldn't have said it.
@@anyabailey9537yeah I totally agree. He really didn’t look like he wanted to either, but Will told him to, so he did
@@anyabailey9537exactly like why did will have to pressure him? It looked like mike didn’t look comfy saying he loved her maybe I’m delusional 😭
I'm sooooo happy that you didn't do any jokes in the part when Will was crying, because everyone does it and I feel really bad...
Yeah it’s very annoying. It isn’t even funny. Like we get it, but this was not about his haircut. (Btw imo, it looks good on him)
@@laixou I agree with all you said including the haircut, I think it looks really good on him. Thank you for your reply :)
if we dont get byler endgame im actually going to cry
Imo if the duffers just make mike and el break up and make byler cannon after the wholesome speech mike gave el at the end of s4 i will actually hunt down the duffers
@@Mitsuribbg “wHoLeSoMe sPeEcH” lmao, the “super important” speech was actually improvised by Finn. The writers didn’t even care enough to write it and told Finn to improvise the whole thing 😭
Also, Will was in the background THROUGHOUT HIS WHOLE SPEECH. Imagine Steve just lurking around in the corner while Nancy confesses her undying love for Jonathan 💀
You can ship whomever you want but even Mileven shippers agree that that speech was really cringe 😬
@@apolloismydad idc if duffers didnt wanna write it or if finn improvised, and idk which mileven shippers ur talking to but every mileven shipper i have met all agree that speech was wholesome plus who cares if will was in the background? U byler shippers gotta admit even if eleven doesnt like mike anymore because of mike not saying i love u to her, Mike still likes her btw correct me if im wrong but is it even confirmed that will is gay? Like im gonna admit Mike probably is bi but he still likes el and u gotta admit.
@@Mitsuribbg the speech was incredibly shallow. he didn't say a single thing he actually loves about her outside of her powers.
@@Mitsuribbg "who cares if will was in the background"
do you understand a single thing about cinematography and what it's supposed to convey??
and will IS confirmed gay and IN LOVE with mike. like the fact that you couldn't recognize that shows that maybe you need to improve those media literacy skills + pay a little more attention to the story.
bylers have been right about EVERYTHING going on with Will since 2016!! why? cause they actually take time to analyze the show and understand the writing direction. so why would they suddenly be wrong about mike now?
something i noticed with the scene where mike apologizes to will in his room, the same song that plays during scene where lucas and max has their first 'romantic tension' scene on the rooftop of the bus in season 2 plays.
20:46 later in this scene mike looks happy then looks at will then becomes sad because he realized that he doesn't know how to tell eleven that he loves will
Ok babe don’t steal my job 🙄💞 (but for real, yes you’re totally right)
@@laixou lmao ok I won't 🤣
OMG SUPER CUTE!!!!!
“El needs you and she always WILL”
this is such a great analysis, the editing was so good and hilarious...totally missed the stancy parallel but that is such an insane observation...wow
i love mike. it's like most people don't care about him, the love that he deserves and needs, people just dehumanize him, it's unfair.
for mike, the only person who has always accepted him for who he truly is, is will. time and again we see how unashamed and uninhibited mike feels when he is alone and with will. they don't have any rules to live by, their relationship is theirs alone. they don't have to refer to books, movies, soap operas or society to figure out what can make the other happy, they know each other, they know what makes the other person happy and contended. their only reference is memory, memory of each other's past and present. they don't need to kiss and smooch to fulfil the needs of a true relationship. theirs isn't platonic or romantic love, it's a love composed of every form of care and loving that can ever be, brotherly or friendly or romantic or anything, it is just LOVE, unlabelled, unhindered, untouched by the outside world. it has the potential to grow into something more, yet in its current form, it is still so intimate and personal, like nothing they have with anyone else. everytime one makes mistakes or upsets the other (which is mostly mike), the understanding and the growth that follows (just like in s4) is just so natural and shows how DEEPLY THEY THINK ABOUT EACH OTHER. like the maturity in their conversations since s1 is just mindblowing.
at best mike and el's relationship is an example of how damaging heteronormativity is, pretty realistic
anygays thanku for making this vid. subscribed, liked and looking forward to more from your channel...
Wow. You’ve made me cry. Thank you so much, I agree with everything you’ve said and I’m so glad that you enjoyed the video. I’ll definitely be back for more
This comment is purely natural and raw🤩 and I love that 😍
Agreed with everything SO MUCH! Especially the Mike and El part. Heteronormativity as a normal can be so destructing and we see this as a perfect example in Mileven.
Ugh... LOVE the ”anygays”. Keep on slayin
A+ comment, would sob again.
2:30 the zoom-in on the One Way sign without mentioning it killed me
not me watching byler videos on loop until the last season is released bc i cant get over them 😂😂 thank you for making those, and the editing was hilarious😂
22:26 I find it so strange how mike said that to el even though we know it’s a lie like he told will that the best thing he ever did was ask will to be his friend. And now this? Mileven shippers need to bffr
It's also strange how he said that as if that's not the same day Will went missing
This video is literal Byler perfection, love how it shows Mike wasn't all oblivious about Will ,and the random edits inbetween... Chef's kiss 🤌🏻
i wasn’t a byler shipper at first. but i definitely wasn’t a mileven shipper either… somehow, mike and el’s relationship always felt a bit off to me. as if the writers were trying to make us believe in something that wasn’t even truly there…
i didn’t ship byler, but i watched season 4, and i have eyes. it’s obvious that will loves mike. mike, on the other hand, is still lost and confused at a time when homosexuality was a difficult thing to even know about or severely criticised.
let’s not forget that mike struggles with showing emotions in general (we also can observe the same behaviour with his sister nancy), probably because of the way he was raised. mike believes that once a relationship is stated, that it will stay that way forever. therefore, he doesn’t do anything (or at least not enough) to maintain the relationship going (with both el AND will). just like his parents’ relationship work… mike hasn’t learned that relationships are both owed and a reward for the people who get their ass up and actually do things to preserve them. and in season 4, will is the one showing mike how it works, how relationships work : he offers him a gift he MADE BY HIMSELF especially for him, he reassures him, he listens to him, he gives him advice… i mean will literally teaches mike how to speak to his girlfriend at the end of the show, so…
all in all, season 4 shows us that mike and will need each other more than el needs mike. i think we can all agree that will’s gonna play an important role on whatever mike’s gonna evolve to in the next season
Honestly, mileven is supposed to feel odd to reflect Mike's family and all. The fact he's parents never loved each other, and he's mom LITERALLY tried cheating on her husband and then regretted after. But they kept the relationship because of they're children, probably because they think that if they broke up it would be a messed up family. But since they never loved each other, it was more difficult representing a romantic relationship to they're children. So maybe that's why Mike just goes straight on dating El
Very nicely put, without having to picking any strong stance!
you got the part with mike and will completely wrong. mike isn’t a fuсking dumbаss рiесе оf shit, he understand how to maintain a fucking relationship and be a giver💀he provides literally so much in all of his relationships because that’s his character, the only part of his home life that’s bleeding into his relationship in a way that makes him less attentive is his ROMANTIC relationship with el, but that’s not because he doesn’t understand how they work, that makes zero sense, even when someone doesn’t get taught how dating works they still have FEELINGS that make them do the right things to and for their partner, the issue is that mike has zero desire to be dating el which leaves him with zero motivation to do those couple-y things. this was overall a pretty bad take💀especially for a comment left on a pretty thorough video…..
When he said “we’re friends” he took wills question as “but me? I like you” but will meant it as “well yeah but we’re best friends” and will took mikes “we’re friends” as “we’re just friends” he thought he was minimizing their friendship and Mike wanted will to believe he just liked him as a friend
And when will said “you called maybe a couple times” he didn’t know how much Mike was trying to call him. He thought he was ignoring him and Mike knew Joyce was on the phone and wanted will to do something about it and try to call him too
Mike was in the wrong for not being on els side but el doesn’t know he also feels like an outcast everywhere and like a monster (this is in the middle of the aids pandemic)
And if he did love eleven he would first of all be on her side and if he was jealous of will (platonic) because he thought he forgot him he’d still comfort eleven and not yell at her like he has done since season one. And then when he realized what was going on more (in the apology scene) he would try to comfort her as much as possible and tell her he loves her. He knew that’s what she wanted to hear because she literally says “but you don’t love me anymore?”
@@Finn_sisjon if you enjoyed this you should watch my new video :D it’s way more complete you’ll see (if you want ofc)
Just wanna say if don’t ship byler that’s totally fine and valid but please don’t be mean about it and leave rude comments. We’re all allowed to have our own opinions. And if this video makes you uncomfortable than this video just isn’t for you. And you can go watch something else you enjoy that makes you happy. Or you can stay here to try and understand this relationship. Anyway what I’m trying to say is just be respectful. This person put a lot of time and effort into making this video so please acknowledge that.
Yes, you are totally right! Thank you so much for this. I put a lot of thought into this. Thank you for noticing
THIS ANALYSIS WAS SO FUNNY AND AMAZING
THANK YOU SO MUCH
I’ve seen your tikoks they are amazing‼️
@@mybelovedwillbyers3324 tysm 🥹
12:56 OMG THE PARALLELS HERE?? I NEVER EVEN NOTICED
Perhaps Mike was initially in love with El, but as time went by, he lost those feelings and started to imagine that El was Will whenever they had romantic moments.
At 22:52, he hardly knew her, so it's obvious that his feelings hadn't started to develop yet. He may have had feelings for Will before he went missing but just thought it was normal. This seems like a reasonable explanation since he was just a kid. It's difficult to know what's a crush and what's not. Maybe he fell in love with El because he saw her as Will but with powers, or because of her looks. I mean, how can you fall in love with someone who only says one word? Perhaps he just found her cool and pretty, and that's how he thought being in love was like for him.
He might have felt the same way towards Will, but he wasn't sure if it was love or not since back then, LGBTQ+ wasn't accepted as it is now. So, he might have just thought that this is how friends feel when you have those feelings towards a guy, but if it's a girl, then it must be love. Does that make sense? I also think that if it's true, perhaps he began to see El as Will over time.
@@thepinnemax@thepinnemax i can confirm this happens when you're a kid and you don't know a thing about lgbtq or even love in general... i had a crush on a girl ( I'm 100% sure ) and i always wished that I was born a boy so I can happily marry her and I kept looking at her 24/7 cuz she was the prettiest girl to me... i thought this was how best friends acted towards each other and that every girl wished to marry her best friend "platonically"
fast forward to now, I'm bisexual lmao
maybe Mike is too
@thepinnemax i feel like this is the actual explanation for his actions; no projection, no conscious choice of “this is what i have to do to try and hide my feelings/queerness,” just a lot of confusion coming from mike not understanding what he’s supposed to feel for friends/partners when they’re a girl/boy and thinking that it’s ok and normal to feel how he does towards will because “it’s just always been like that and that’s how everyone feels towards their best friend” and that his feelings about el must be what every boy feels towards girls that they want to date because he’s never felt it before (only towards will atp but he just thought they were friendly feelings and that they were different)
6:54 I've seen people make this about El dismissing Mike's trauma but she clearly means he doesn't understand because she is not a normal person, plus he always had the party, and she has no one.
Just wanted to say this bc ppl really tried to paint mike as the victim here and it's just insane.
YEEES !!!!
right??? i've said this, it's not dismissing his trauma, it's just that they are too different, she has been in the real world for like 2 years after being used like an experiment D:
The fact that even homophobes say that byler is canon is insane
THIS
i feel like mike fell more inlove with idea of el rather than el herself. she was almost a savior to him, she had brought back will who he cared so deeply about. he knew that it was the stereotypical thing to get a gf, it was smth he's 'supposed to' do. he cared for el and just assumed that 'oh she's a girl i care abt? i should be in a relationship w her'. he wasnt able to differentiate his platonic and romantic feelings. during s1 & 2 they were still young and the relationship wasnt as serious, so he hadnt realized this. during s3, u can see how mike starts to almost put on act for him and el's relationship. he's just going through the motions w her and doing stereotypical relationship things because he 'has to.' once they move away, mike is given time to think about his feelings and realize that maybe he doesnt like el in that way, maybe it's will he feels more deeply for. during s4 u can see how he rlly doesnt love el and the act is starting to slip, as well as his internalized homophobia and tension w will. hopefully in s5 he will finally come to terms w his true feelings!! that was so long btw wow.
YES, finally someone who has pointed dat out
MOA.
WHY DOESNT THIS HAVE WAY MORE LIKES. im making my friends watch this!
Thank you so much omg 😭💞
I watch it a lot of times
mike checks will out every 5 seconds and he's constantly making heart eyes and staring at will's lips
12:25 THIS PARALLEL AND THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE OF MIKE’S BEHAVIOUR WTF
Im sorry for anyone who can’t see that mike is SO comfortable arround will . It’s not just bEst friends no , there is something warmer that el and mike doesn’t has … I feel like make takes courage and happiness and tenderness from will’s talking so much that if duffer brothers decided to make em just best friends it’s gonna be so akward..the tension is so real
YES 👏👏👏
This had me laughing and crying at the same time, I loved your analysis on Byler it’s amazing. You explained it so well ❤
Thank you so much, I’m glad you liked it
This was such a good analysis video (and I couldn't stop laughing) like seriously in the van scene Mike is just staring at will the whole time, he can't even concentrate because he's so mesmerized by Will. Mike don't think I don't know what you are.
i love that you mentioned the cliff mike scene i always thought it really showed how much mike felt like believing will was gone the fact maybe he thought once he jumped he would see will will again breaks my heart IDK HOW PPL CAN HATE MIKE YES IK HE CAN COME OFF AS AN ASSHOLE SOMETIMES BUT SERIOUSLY I COULD GO INTO A WHOLE MIKE ANALYSIS ON HOW HE IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD AND STRUGGLING WITH HIMSELF AND HIS FEELINGS
I love the analysis! What I want to happen is El dumps Mike for being a shitty boyfriend but I also want the painting to come up in that conversation and Mike finds out that El didn't know about the painting and I want Mike to go confront or ask Will about it and then Will like confesses and then like a kiss :)
THE TRIANGLE SHIRT WAS SO SMART OMG, but fr though, el deserves a much better boyfriend (or girlfriend🤭) that actually knows love and can express love. Mike and Nancy has never experienced real love because their parents doesn’t usually show it. I hope el will finally notice Mike’s true feelings and live her own happy life without thinking about mike anymore. Max and her is actually a better representation to a couple. But anyway, byler endgame
I know this video is old and I knew almost everything (besides some parallels, nice catches!) but it was fun to watch with all your edits and the vines lmao (also I cried too again bc poor gays I love em so much)
Holy moly..if will knew how worried and frustrated mike was when he went missing ...bruh he would've died. Seriosly like he was so worried and never stopped beliving that he was alive unlike his other friends..yo its crazy
Well Lucas and Dustin did care. It's just that season 1 showed that Mike cared a whole lot more ( and I think there was a reason ). Just like in season 2 when Will gets possessed while Dustin and Lucas focus more on new girl Max.
07:49 I CANNOT-
I VOTE "i am an unicorn!"ALL THE WAY
"i need you mike" im actually crying not joking as well ike ACTUALLY
El gets hurt
Mike: *umm huh..??*
Will gets hurt
Mike: *MY BABY*
When my mom saw this scene she finally put two and two together I was like girl I did that crap in season one catch up
Omg I love this so much, especially the end part with the costume designer talking abt the triangles!!
My favorite part is when you typed that he hurt her, but he don’t care.
The irony of Jonathan being "your friend Steve" given the context of the entire series.
I think when Will went missing Mike was forced to confront his feelings about Will and how important he was to him. Realizing how important someone is to you and fighting for them can feel like the beginning of living.
This video is living proof that this is gonna be a big part of s5. I unironically want it to be.
Also I never realized how sad the scene where will talked to Mike in the van was until this video. So thanks... I guess.
the part where it said “she keeps everything.. EVERYTHING” was so funny to me
This is so good, I really appreciate when people put it all together it's so much fun to watch and you did amazingly! LET'S GO BYLERS
Thank you 💞
THIS WAS ALMOST HALF AN HOUR? This has been on of the most entertaining and deep Boyer analyses. seriously, well done 👏
OKAY one of my theories is that when Mike held the phone for will and said "That remind you of anything?" He was trying to say that's all he could hear when he would try to call Will, but the phone was always busy!
Because the phone was always busy*
the “why?🥰” at 16:38 is so cute and sounds like he’s in love with will 😍😍
This is so good and also really funny. Byler is real 😭
instead of being a good bf and telling her that he loves her he js denies it and can’t take responsibility 😭 he keeps reminding her that she’s his superhero like omg we know that 😭😭
I honestly love the amount of detail the writers and actors put into stuff like mike trying to call, it’s makes it really fun to piece everything together and get to “EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!”
24:53 oh my god literally I relate to Mike ALOT every single thing he has done and say, it's like I know what he's thinking/feeling and I feel hated or guilty when people hate on him 😞
The way his face light up when Will showed the painting! God he is so happy
1:36 HIS SMILE BRO HE WAS GOING FOR A FULL HUG BUT GOT A SIDE HUG INSTEAD IM CRYING😭😭😭😭
ik 😭😭
Not me fangirling over your explanations Bc everything makes so much more sense now
The analysis is great!
Although I always viewed Mike as bisexual. Maybe it's because I'm bisexual and the idea of a bisexual character makes me happy or because I subconsciously tend to view characters that I like as bi but in my opinion it makes a lot of sense. He constantly checks up on both Will and Eleven (he does not do that with others in a similar manner) and seems to care about both of them a lot.
Thanks! I don’t know if he’s bi or gay, but he’s for sure not straight :)
@@laixou I see it as bi with a heavy male lean like he found el good looking at some points and had some attraction maybe? But yeah that’s how I see it recently
as a fellow bi person, I used to see him as bi too! although the signs for him being gay seemed more plausible when I saw them being pointed out... but to each their own. having Mike be bi would be fucking awesome, but I think it makes more sense for him to be gay
@@tova1412 I agree it’s either gonna be bi or gay that bro is NOT STRAIGHT in any reality lol
this is seriously the best analysis video i’ve seen
it literally gives me sm hope for byler ahhhhh
also i love how u put in memes btw 💀💅🏻
Thank you i really appreciate
Idk if you'll see this but I love that because you realte to Will the van scene made you sad. Not that I love seeing you sad- just that it's interesting because I relate to Mike a lot and love him with all my heart. When I watch that scene all I can feel is such a suffocating bittersweet affection and just awe. The way the light shines through on Noah. Finn's face as his eyes dart down legit makes my stomach swoop. Not in a romantic way for the actor/character, but moreso just the raw feelings created from the acting skills and music. Tender Emotional Music strikes again. Whenever I watch the scene all I can feel is this deep longing and yearning and such a wanting understanding and acceptance. It's why I really think Mike is in love with Will. I'm not a gay man in the 80s (I'm a lesbian in the year of our lord and savior 2023, the great Stranger Things drought), so why is his actor envoking the feelings inside me of one??? The scene is not giving me feelings of a straight main confiding in his secretly gay friend.
*Whispers* They're both secretly gay, your honor 👩🏼⚖️
Woa, this is so beautifully written!! I agree with everything, I genuinely don’t understand how people do not see their tension; I mean, it is SO obvious 😭😭
*whisper back* Yes, that it very correct your honour.
3:09 That is such a cool detail that I never noticed! This video is awesome
Hey I’m late but I also wanna point something else. In the second season, there are a lot of Byler scenes and in fact you can see how much Mike cares about Will. So everybody is asking why since the third season Mike started treating Will bad, and I think that the reason it’s because the dance, in the end of second two, made Mike develop internalised homophobia. Of course we all know that he has it, but it developed just there because he started seeing everybody coupling with someone, even Will,so he thought he had to do it too and started following society by dancing with El. I know this might sound obvious and banal but it really tells you the reason why Mike it’s been like that since season three.
In fact Mike wasn’t even interested in El in season one, he was just focused on finding Will
@@Benny-jq2xu hi! Thank you so much for your comment and for pointing this up! I’ve made this more for joking but I talk about this on my new video (i focus on Mike pov in every season :3)
Probably one of the weirdest things about mileven in s4 is how Mike is literally being compared to Brenner, a literal ABUSER
the way Will was crying while talking about his feelings in the car scene and people actually think he was really talking about Eleven and not just using her as a metaphor for his own feelings is INSANE because why would he be crying while explaining someone else’s feelings
@@rott1ngmoss because he is not human but a character of a show and it is made by directors that could potentially enjoy using foreshadowing and metaphors! :>
@@laixou yes, that’s what i was trying to say😭 sorry if it came off in another way
@@rott1ngmoss oh wait nonooo im sry I just misread what you wrote I thought you ment the exact opposite of what you said 😭 so sorry, and yea that was literally so obvious but some pp still think Mikes monologue of s4 was sooo well written and romantic 😭😭 so at this point nothing chokes me
@@laixou OHH!! it’s okay don’t worry, i was a bit confused by your answer but im glad we’re on the same page!! thank you for making this video btw i absolutely love it 🙏🙏💗💗
@@rott1ngmoss dhdj thank you sm you’re so sweet 💞💞😭
THIS IS YOUR FIRST VIDEO?!?!?! ITS SO GOSH DARN AMAZING!!!
Thank you haha 😭💞 (I was already making videos on TikTok :3)
HELPP I LOVE YOUR HUMOUR 💀
i’m just realizing that 26:51 the flowers are literally a shade of indigo (which is technically blue) and yellow. Blue and yellow is one of the most common things we see when it comes to byler
I HATE to see will cry 😭
I hope Mike and will are endgame, it just makes more sense to me the duffers said they’ve been building byler up since the beginning,
the way the ai voice said El’s name was funny
I think your analysis is spot on. Well done.
8:25 its not just mike, but nancy too. They both dont admit their love, like steve asked nancy to say it but nancy didnt know how too, same like mike in this moment and in season 3 when he was sitting down with el in the store.
12:55 fun fact: the song playing in the background "on the bus" played in a s2 Lumax scene and in the script it says that Mike and Will got interrupted by the doorbell ringing and in the show they got interrupted by the tires, plus the interruption trope is a romantic trope and Lumax also got interrupted in s2
THE PARALLELLSSSSSS
OMG!!
The explanation is just awesome!!🖤
I love it sooo freaking much😥
I watched the whole video and in love with it
Thank you omg!! Yes I will try! 💞
ok but the editing and memes and everything is extremely good and hilarious all of it is gold 😔
@@aPastelgoth wow 😭 tysm 💞💞
12:21 I can't with the "of each other" 💀💀
The side to side comparison of mike talking to el and to will are such cool parallels. Like, he was mad at will but then he goes and is all flirty and honest and apologizes (cause he knows he was being an idiot too) and to will he can't lie, he can't stay angry( which I think was more like denial about his feelings and jealousy about the angela thing) But with el is so hard for him to actually apologize and say what she wants to hear ( which he kinda says pushed by will when shes about to die and is a contradicting lie) he tries so hard to not say the words and deflects guilt towards her, he's defensive and unconfortable, but with will he uses his will voice and is so happy to be back on good terms which I think shows how he can be himself and relax with will, cause them are just natural, but with el is like putting on an act .
I really think they will make byler canon and mike queer canon too and hope they don't disappoint. They have so much queer coding in this show and byler has so much indepth, mileven is just platonic
side note: the sing playing in the background of the scene where mike apologizes to will is the the SAME TRACK as when lucas and max are on top of the bus in season 2 a.k.a. a peak romance moment. crazy musical symbolism.
Byler is real and I will continue to say it is until the day I die
23:52 "and we kissed as though nothing could fall" these lyrics were playing while Mike was hugging his mom and thinking about Will and in s3 they played this song again but they didn't use these lyrics because they're reserved to Byler, i think they're gonna play this song again during Mike and Will's first kiss (hopefully they'll play the Bowie version? because it's happier)
The part where Wil just staring at Mike like idc bout the socks 😂😂
I love and hate how oblivious Mike is sometimes; I mean that van scene was LITERALLY Will confessing to him bro- and he even tried again when they were sitting on top of that random car.. so goofy and gay
After watching this I realize how much el loves mike and how much mike doesn’t love her💀
mike loves her as A FRIEND ONLY
Bc the way he says ily to her in the last episode is sounds like a platonic thing not romantic kinda sounded forced
Also realize how much he didnt care in this scene 6:07 not even a slight change in his emotion not a care in the world
Also in season 2 when eleven broke Mike, Lucas and Dustin’s bully’s arm Mike was happy and proud
But when eleven hurts her bully he’s upset?? Wtf Mike??
Seeind little Mike at 23:00 is such a throwback he is SO TINY
14:30 the “oh yeah we will 🥰🥰” had me laughing so hard