This South American Sun Cult Looked A Lot Like Ancient Egyptians
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The Chankillo Archeoastronomical Complex is an ancient solar observatory in Peru that was built thousands of years before the Inca civilization ruled the area. Very little is known about the actual culture who built this ingenious structure, but we know they were far more advanced than we ever expected.
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0:00 - Intro
1:00 - The Sky To Different Cultures
3:46 - The Story of Chankillo
5:49 - The Fortified Towers
6:45 - What Do We Know About Chankillo?
9:48 - Sponsor - Hello Fresh - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
It's wild to think about the ancients having their own "ancients" to look back on. It's really obvious, when you think about it, but it still feels wild.
Yes, the ancients so far back there are no names for them, their languages do not exist, much less the ones that existed during European contact. We can only believe our indigenous tribes are descendant or remnants of the past, however we're also so genetically different than them because there's been waves of other ethnic diffusions via warfare, disease, or migrations.
When I first heard ancient Egypt practiced archeology, it blew my mind! Just because time is so vast and human lives are so short, it is hard to imagine that we are looking back and trying to understand ancient civilizations from thousands of years ago, that were looking back trying to understand ancient civilizations from thousands of years ago. In spite of the modern narrative, we really don't know just how far back this cycle goes, and that is really hard to wrap the head around.
@@marcushoward6560 It’s why I subscribe to the idea that the Egyptians didn’t build the great pyramids themselves, they found it there and built all the others as an attempt to understand the ways of old, which to them, would be similar to how we can’t really understand old English from as far back as 1100, even tho we’re in the year 2023. We haven’t event hit 1000 years yet and still so much is lost.
Someday dubstep may be considered classical music, and that's a pretty wild concept.
As a Peruvian archaeologist I thank you for this video!
Just to point out (sorry for being "that guy") Chankillo wasn't built from the 9th to 12th centuries. It was built and used around 300 and 200 BC :)
Also, yeah, you can say that after all what happened between the valleys of the Casma and Sechin rivers until like 1000 BC was kinda interrupted by some kind of new cultural expressions (not exactly like Chavin went there, but the other way around, Chavin picked a lot of the cultural-religious-political expressions across the nearby regions and create their own. Just look at what had been happening in Lima in 1500 BC, long before the Old Temple in Chavin was even built). But there isn't too much information of what happened in the zone of the valley between the rise of Chavin and its fall (800 - 500 BC) so, the impact itself is not so well stablished by studies.
Chankillo is interesting mainly because of the period that it was built. Recent essays and my colleagues (and me) like to call it the "Final Formative" period (Kaulikce, 2010), that existed from 500 to 200 BC, more or less. This period was characterized by the collapse of the three most know cultural cores in the Peruvian Andes: Chavin (with its center in Chavin de Huantar, and the Santa/Nepeña valleys), Cupisnique (with its center in the Cajamarca, Jequetepeque, Moche and Chicama valleys) and Kotosh (near the Huallaga valley). After that the few studies that have been made conclude that people abandoned the whole culture that used before (or maybe they were different people) and returned to a more "villager" life without huge political centers, just some agglomerations of houses and farms all over the region. The main theory is that in 500 BC there was a huge ENSO (El Niño) phenomenon that disrupted the economy so badly, that even all the political institutions just fell down. And this is why Chankillo is special, because is one of the few non-domestic architectural monuments that existed at the time. Also, the fact that it was fortified makes us think about how socially unstable was that period, even though in all the area nobody found any weapons, but some clay figurines of warriors (which design is way different to anything Chavin was making centuries before).
I strongly recommend to anyone who wants to know a bit more about this read all the work of Ivan Ghezzi, the book of Peter Kaulike (2010) that mentions about the periodification of the Formative period (2500 - 200 BC) in Peru, and one 2009's paper of Jahl Dulanto. Sadly most of the works are in spanish, but if you need some help, please let me know!
Thank you so much! I married into a Peruvian family. My husband and I are fascinated by pre-inca civilizations but don't really know where to start finding academic sources to learn from! I'm also at a disadvantage as I am not a spanish speaker like he is.
Thank you for a starting point!
tldr
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 tldr: Some dates mentioned about Chankillo in the video are wrong, as well as some statements about Chavin. Also Chankillo is interesting because of its real dates, and because of the historical context it was occupied.
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Don't be sorry bro,you're an actual expert
I am a Comanche, a Native American and lately have been trying to figure out where our tribe comes from. It’s not easy as it’s not a heavily studied area. We do know there was influence from people from the South. We had a Sun god an Moon Goddess way back when. But right now, in terms of science. We just don’t know anything for sure. I love seeing this information come around and be shared. Thank you for being a light and having a good head on your shoulders.
As a south american (brazilian), I wish we learned more about these civilizations in school. We only learned a little about the three main (astecs, maias and incas), almost nothing really. And we don't learn about our own native groups. It can be hard to fit them into the curriculum, since they are so diverse, but I wish we learned at least something about them
thats because there really isnt much data to go off of. only speculation
@Themrine2013 yeah. A bit hard to learn about cultures that were literally scrubbed from history.
@@seiyuokamihimura5082 and? Welcome all of human history. Where the strong destroy and absorb the weak
in mexico its a wonder that we learned so much about our past; since the spaniards tried to eraze everything.
Why would you learn that in school, when catholic Christians destroyed everything and looted everyone, and removed everything about your history from school books.
This is super interesting. It just goes to show you that people from 5-10k years ago *were not stupid.*
Absolutely, if you took a baby from this time and gave them modern education they would grow up no different than anyone else living today
Or do they just have a lot of spare time
Certainly no more stupid than today. . . as a matter of fact. . .
@@ArchShrop Spot on .
Christianity is the enemy of intelligence, all religions destroy man's intelligence.
I live in Argentina and we were taught about the Incas in school. It's the first time I hear that that wasn't their actual name, and the first time hearing about chankillo too. Thanks for this, it's fascinating. Who knows how far back this advanced ancient civilizations go, and we will never know they existed unless something remains to this day.
Hola Onyx, me alegra que te haya gustado el video. Te informo igual que aunque haya muchos misterios, y cosas que desconozcamos, sí podemos saber cuándo surgieron las primeras civilizaciones en América. De la misma forma que no sabemos todas las formas de vida que existieron, pero sí sabemos a partir de cuándo surge la vida en la Tierra.
Actualmente se considera que la primer civilización del continente americano surgió en el 3500-3000 antes de Cristo, en lo que se llama "Civilización Caral"
Hopefully we learn more about this fascinating culture. Peace and love to all.
@@LordSesshaku I’m pretty sure there’s civilisations older than that, who bully ask the huge megalith blocks and carted them up the mountains that the civilisations built on top of?
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 I’ll check out Secrets in Plain Sight & let you know what I think. Thanks for the recommendation.
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 Having just watched one of his videos I can see why no one watches them. Rubbish.
To Joe and everyone else: go to Peru at some point in their life. It is a magnetic site, I am engineer and I was impressed by the work done there by ancient civilizations there.
This man has youtube videos uploaded 16 years ago. What a legend
Thanks, Joe. Paleo archaeology in the western hemisphere is finally coming into its own. Lidar and other scientific tools are being employed to look under the jungle canopy or desert sands. There is so much to learn.
.. and much for The Smithsonian and Vatican to sweep up and hide.
Lidar is a massive game changer!
Check out the lecture "the urbanized jungle" from the penn on YT.
Its an eye-opening revolution on how to view maya civilization. Sites that where not so long ago imagined to be unpeopled temple complexes up on the hill...
Now turn out to only be the centers to giant population clusters of up to hundreds of thousands of people.
And not only in the western hemisphere, the sprawling landscapes of eastern europe - belarus, russia, ukraine - bear enourmously fascinating remains of ancient cultures we didnt even know ever existed only 20 years back.
If I could do life over again I would choose archeology in a blink.
As it is, I vicariously live through TH-cam lectures and love the fact that I´m born in this day and age.
@@nilesbutler8638 Even in the already established places we make new discoveries. In my neighbourhood (central Germany) the Sky Disc of Nebra was found and they also made new discoveries at the grave site of the Shaman of Bad Dürrenberg.
The new technological advancements tha can now be used for archeology and paleontology show us so many amazing new things about how our ancestors lived, worldwide.
Satellite photos as well, in the many different wavelengths the satellites can "read".
@@johannageisel5390 True.
Amesbury archer who turned out to stem from hungary 2300 BCE was only dug near stonehenge 2011 and his place of origin parsed out via isotope analysis in 2013.
But I find it really fascination when whole giant complexes of formerly utterly unknown civilizations pop up, like Gobekli Tepe, the Indus valley civilization or Caral.
Earlier in my life I loved the "ancient global precursor civilization" trope.
At this point it seems rather improbable to me, but the fascinations with whole millenia-spanning cultures suddenly "turning up" in the archeological record remains.
When I was in college I took classes I had absolutely no interest in because of how much I admired the professor. He took what I imagined to be dull topics and transformed them into something I had become eager to learn about.
You remind me so much of him.
Thank you ❤
Awe, that's a huge compliment. Thanks!
@@joescott Joe I’m only 2 minutes in so maybe this is a set up but the moon definitely has a huge effect on people. In every city all round the world, whenever there’s a full moon on a Friday or Saturday emergency services always have their busiest nights, most stop people taking holidays for those nights and get extra staff working overtime. You should do a video on it, it’s been well documented for 100s of years. Why do you think they call it lunacy?
It's true! I look forward to whatever has caught your interest this week, just like I looked forward to (and this is true) 7:30am Russian grammar classes 5 days a week in college. Granted,I went to class in PJs half the time....well, I guess not much has changed there.....
@@joescott Enki, not Inka
My love of history started with my old high school (Australian) teacher Mr Patching. He was so passionate with his subject matter no matter which culture he spoke about, and enticed me to want more. Job completed imho. I once asked him, so you have the Indus Valley, who's older. His response, so you're actually interested in the subject, seems no one else is. It was such a reverse compliment, but also eaged me onto digging deeper into material and finding things on my own. Even today, whenever there is a new discovery, historic or astronomic (my second great love) I am transported back to the classroom
Easily the best plug for Hello Fresh I’ve ever seen 😂
Thanks for covering this, I honestly hadn’t heard of this culture before, it’s absolutely fascinating!
Videos like this and the one last week about the superstorm are what I love about this channel. Stuff you've never heard of that changes your perception of things after you do. I've been watching for years and you guys are still killing it.
@@BlazinRiver1 They sound like conspiracies. Dark Journalist? Suspicious Observers? Very suspicious indeed.
@@kindlin yep, suspicious observer is a bona fide crackpot doom n gloom spewer.
It would be interesting to see more stuff on the lesser-known building feats of pre-industrial cultures. They could accomplish a lot with some math and muscle, no alien tech necessary.
Isn't it so incredible what humans are capable of? I think it's sad that so many people think there has to be something so outlandish like ancient aliens or high tech ancient lost civilizations to make these feats possible, when the reality of what is presented by the evidence we have is incredibly fascinating as it is.
Some people just don't seem to think it's interesting enough I guess so they jam in outlandish ideas anywhere they can.
Exactly. Give credit where credit is due.
What do you mean "no alien tech". Not very believable.
@@benjaminbeard3736 Its the continued discounting of innovation of ancient peoples ability to do things on their own. It steams largely from a Europeans can only do great things mentality. Imagine a light speed traveling race went across the galaxy all to do what...build a pyramid? Or was it technical prowess of anicient engineers who did great things with THEIR minds.
@@cooper1507 I think you are spot on.👍
These are the kinds of episodes I really enjoy. Love learning something new. Thanks Joe, for the rabbit hole.
It's nice seeing these entry level videos into all of this stuff. Interests people enough to go watch stuff from channels like Ancient Architects who goes into detail about all of this stuff and all of the papers around the structures and who those people were.
I'm always amazed at ancient people's ability to see ANYTHING in the sky. Every time I've ever been in truly dark sky areas it's been a struggle to find constellations I KNOW. much less imagine new ones and keep track of them. There's just so many stars it becomes a blur. And it's not like they had any light pollution back then.
The Mesopotamian cultures had dedicated astronomers. When it's your job to watch the sky every night, you will definitely become familiar with it.
I assume the high cultures of South and Middle America had similar specialists.
I understand how they did it. It's still amazing. A truly dark sky with no light pollution has an overwhelming amount of stars.
@@driverjayne True.
Humans have a driving need (part of our evolution and the development of our brains) to see patterns everywhere. So, although I share your amazement, it's only natural that people, especially those who saw the full glory of the night sky every night, should 'see' patterns. It's basically how we make sense of things.
You’ve got to think, people didn’t have electric lights, the entire planet was dark skies and they lived and saw that every night, as you move 5 yards from your campfire you can see the stars, of you saw them every night of your life constantly you’d know a lot more about them
7000BC was a very different climate... it was unlikely to have been as dry. Same with the time of the pyramids, you're still moving out of the last glacial, so it was very different then. Chances are, the pyramid building was possible because of the abundance of water in the area at the time, allowing things to be moved a lot more easily.
Same as the middle east. The cities of Ur and Uruk are where the rivers used to run in a delta long gone. most of the silk route is littered with outposts of humanity. There is little political will and funding to do much about it.
There is evidence of human occupation in Peru dating back at least 15,000 years, with some sites suggesting that people may have been living in the region as early as 20,000 years ago. The climate of that time would have allowed for much larger populations than 23,000 people suggested in this video.
@@396catalba3 definitely
Yeah I’m pretty sure there’s evidence that they deliberately flooded some areas around the pyramids from there Nile to move the stones there
not entirely innacurate but. egypt at the time was still pretty dry, the niles flooding has allways been the reason for its existance.
however, they did actually have another channel of the nile that ran past the sphynx and up to the great pyramid. So it was likely used to bring the quarried stone much easier as you say.
and yes it would have been wetter but, not significantly so at that time.
Good to see your channel doing well again just recently Joe. I don’t say that for very many TH-camrs but if I do it’s always the ones I think who are truely genuine
literally love this guy so much anything for you joe genuinely has been so good for my mental health getting these answers from joe
Thanks a lot! You are the first communicator that shares this key difference: Inka was the ruler, the emperor. Tahuantinsuyo was the state or country if you will. Now, the empire was comprised of several other kingdoms and tribes, but the Inka was the ruler of the Quechua people, what is now the modern Cuzco, or Cosco.
Thanks a lot for this video!
I know they weren’t the focus of the episode, but I was actually named after the Chavín! Always found a great sense of pride and history in my name. A video over them would be really cool although I know that there may not be a whole lot of information on them.
This was so fascinating, loved it start to finish. What a unique way to build an astronomical tool.
Such a great video Joe! Your videos are always right up there, but this subject is so intriguing!
I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on archaeoastronomy, but I've never heard of this. Very cool, thanks for sharing!
Can you do a video on the Kelp Highway? I find it interesting that this was widely accepted back when I graduated university with degrees in Biological Anthropology, Population Genetics (aka: Genetic anthropology), and Chemistry - so, over 11 years ago, since I graduated, and even before that while I was attending these classes. However, when I was a kid growing up? We were only taught the “Bering Land Bridge” theory of human migration. It never accounted for the evidence we have seen in South America though. Such as the sites you reference in this video. However, there are other sites with radio carbon dating which were inhabited before this site. The only contention is that the sites which are even older were continuously inhabited for much longer, making the level of proof needed for each layer of excavation much more intense. A perfect example is “monte verde” in Chile. Lots of layers of inhabitance resembling the many subterranean layers found beneath the city of Roma.
I would say the video was mainly in pair with the conventional main frame of ancient Egypt/civilizations. One could argue that Joe stay on the "accepted track" and could rapidly be de-monetized if not.
But I would love to see some research on the different sites you proposes!
@@TommySaucierPlourde0 Joe usually doesn't stray into conspiracy stuff because he's intelligent enough to know what's actually supported. That being said, he's also gone on some wild tangents in the past (usually on modern stuff)
@@TommySaucierPlourde0 well - a couple things to unpack here. The kelp highway proposal has been widely accepted in most university classrooms but I’m not talking about the postulations made by people with a loose understanding of the theory who then extrapolate it into oblivion and make absurd and misinformed conclusions from it. That’s actually why I think it would be worth doing a video on. There are charlatans out there who claim absurd things about the findings which support the kelp highway hypothesis. I’ve seen people claim carbon dating in sites near the canoes found preserved by anthropologists - some of which are clearly flawed and without any potassium-argon dating to support them by clarifying/ruling out exceptions. There are people who (without any evidence) claim that the lowest layers of monte verde (in hearths mostly) have dated to 40-60k years ago. But that’s not what I’m talking about. That stuff is so easily debunked. However, there is strong evidence for human settlement going back possibly 12-14k years with gaps where the site may have been uninhabited. These could also be anomalous though. But at least they are well documented. I’m going off memory alone here as I studied this in a graduate class over a decade ago. However, there were also several preserved canoes that had clearly capsized in the ocean and been buried in sand which also contained plants only endemic to Polynesian and Micronesian islands. Anyway! I think it’s an interesting topic because I can’t stand these “history channel” type things taking something so groundbreaking and then taking it completely out of context just for extreme opinions that generate views out of shock value - because it brings a stigma to the very legitimately amazing and awe-inspiring finds.
This was awesome! Thanks for making this video!
Just think if we thought that the moon had anything to do with our behavior.
Ask ANY labor and delivery nurse on a full moon night.
I DARE you.
Was about to post same.
Or a fisherman..
one of the problems with that is you're looking for it. You're starting out with the assumption that "full moon means more crazy stuff" so you then begin looking to confirm that idea. If you step back and don't start with that assumption there isn't as much evidence to support it. There's more light at night on a full moon which likely keeps people awake, which leads to more activity on full moon nights and the preceding/following days.
You can attribute it to "there's a mystic energy around the full moon" or simply "people dont sleep as well during a full moon because it disrupts their sleep, which leads to more activity". one of the doesn't sound as mystic/special.
To put it another way, look at crime rates near loud/bright industrial areas. People don't sleep as well near those places and it leads to more activity. See what I'm getting at?
You're starting with the assumption that "the moon has magical powers that lead to all these crazy things" when it's more likely something simple like "People don't sleep as well because the moon is bright".
Light influences behavior. Lookup nocturnal animal behavior in relation to urban environments. Something like moths is a decent example. It isn't "THE MOON SPECIAL" and it's more "light means more activity". As someone that spends a lot of time in the wilderness and rural environments, often at the intersection between human/nature, anytime you put lights into nature the activity increases. This isn't "THE MOON SPECIAL" it's simply, "more light means more activity".
Put a big light up anywhere and you get stuff. It isn't "the moon" it's just a source of light. Then human imagination filling in the blanks.
I agree. As much as I admire this gent he seems often a bit dismissive.
@@stevenkarner6872 This gent: me, or @Joe Scott?
I can not listen to teachers and lecturers, But, Joe, I can listen to you. And what you cover is almost always interesting to me. A rare talent that can help many many people with learning problems. Thank you.
What I learned from this video:
Ancient Americans were badass astronomical engineers.
Hello Fresh will save my marriage.
Joe I really appreciate your content. Thanks
I remember watching something on those sun structures as a teenager and I've never heard about them since! this was super cool to learn about. Side note it's really easy to forget that ancient people are just as smart as us but we just had time, like these people could have built an iPhone or a computer but the cost would have been near infinite... Something I often forget and these videos are a reminder
They couldn't have built a smartphone since none of the technologies were developed yet.
Has nothing to do with cost.
Even if all of humanity pulled together to just build a Nokia 3210 like phone they couldn't have done it at that time.
@@FutureChaosTV That wasn't the point... it was more that these people were capable of being just as smart as us today but only had access to the tools of the time
@@FutureChaosTV well if they all banded together for centuries to pursue technology they could've made some very advanced stuff in a much shorter period. Coz physiologically they are the same as us
@@BWAC and just like they could've had as much knowledge as us, we to could have sacrificed people just as easy as they did
@@FutureChaosTV I still can´t do it.
I have heard of the Chankillo, but not that long ago; I'm a Spanish teacher and have traveled to Peru a few times. The ancient cultures there are a fascinating lot.
People have been in Ireland for 11,000 years. They built the Boyne complex at Newgrange and this burial chamber is aligned with the June solstice and is older than the pyramids. ☘️ 🇮🇪 Keep up the great videos!
Hey Joe. I'm a major science and history nerd. I adore this channel and deeply appreciate all you do. You keep me informed and give me that daily dose of science, logic and truth so desperately needed. Like you I'm quite keen on the Victorian era and would love to see another video on it. Thank you again, Joe. 💜
I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to 'God' are all answered at about the same 50% rate.
George Carlin
I read somewhere that archelogists had found evidence that the desert areas of peru, and chile once had rich forests. That apparently the peoples in the area had cut down for fuel. Thus, then desertification. Another area of the world that could benefit from Permaculture.
Thanks for pointing this site out. It deserves attention and teaching about related stuff I should have heard it before now.
Awesome vid! Big thanks from Peru 🇵🇪
Joe should do a video on the builders in the Amazon. (Llanos de Moxos, etc.) Extensive communities with giant mounds with rock work, and other earthworks such as agricultural terraces. And also management of the ecosystem, etc. Much more advanced than previously thought.
Ancient ~~North American~~ *American* cultures are such a mind-blowing topic. So many organized and sophisticated societies, across tens of thousands of years, that we're only just beginning to learn about. I guess it's realizing the epic blind spot in our human heritage that's so fascinating.
This is south america
I think what you meant to say was "western hemisphere" instead of "North American". This is due to almost all of those things you talked about were found in Central and South America. I think the biggest hindrance here would be vegetation growth and isolation as nations. They didn't have the same explosive expansion that surrounded the Mediterranean Sea and Middle East. They were more slow-burning and slower changing, so they were able to develop in a way that was very different from other places throughout the world.
@@JavaBum Whoops yeah, I don't know why I wrote "North" in the above!
@@FreeRadicalX It's cool. It's just that North American cultures do have a long history, but there just isn't enough records of civilizations of that breadth or scope compared to the rest of the western hemisphere. :)
@@JavaBum so… it’s still found in America 😂
Fantastic video Joe. I had never heard of this. Thank you!
Great video Joe!
Very, very cool! I vaguely remember reading somewhere that an Egyptian pharao had some seed or plant in his tombe that only grows in South America. How sure are we that there wasn't ocean traveling going on back then...They built better buildings than we thought they could, so why not better boats as well? Fascinating stuff.
There's some interesting theories about anomalies within ancient Egypt like that explored by people like Randall Carlson, I recommend checking it out. When there is little surviving evidence of our distant past, it leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
That's myth.
In 1992, German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish and nicotine on Henut Taui's hair as well as on the hair of several other mummies of the museum,[5] which is significant[2] in that the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the coca and tobacco plants native to the Americas, and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus voyaged to the Americas.[6]
This result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians, as a proof for their claims. The findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analyses on other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce Balabanova's results, and some showing positive results only for nicotine.[7][6][8]
After these experiments, even assuming that cocaine was actually found on mummies, it is possible that this could be contamination which occurred after the discovery of the mummies.[7] The same argument can be applied to nicotine but, in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine and two of these, Withania somnifera and Apium graveolens, were known and used by ancient Egyptians.
Its an ancient-astronauts or ancient global precursor civilization trope.
Been around for a while in those storyteller scenes.
Very probably is false though.
Source was some chemical traces of cocaine found in an egyptian mummies tissue.
Not actual plant matter. That got added in retelling.
From which people deduced that the egyptians must have had connections to SA and used it medicinally.
Its far more probable tough that the mummy they found it in became contaminated since its discovery and removal to a western collection in the 18hundreds.
British upper class held "mummy unraveling" parties back then after all.
Its a bit like a modern egyptian making off with the sarcophagus of queen victoria and celebrating its opening during a raucious college party of drunken upper class heir cliques.
I can easily imagine som billionaires kid daring his pals to take a line of old Vickies chest
Well, check out the expeditions of Thor Heyerdahl. He traveld from Africa to America with an egyptian papyrus boat.
Of cause that does not prove that they did travel there, but it does prove that they theoretically could have.
I think you’re referring to the tobacco and cocaine mummies? They found both tobacco and cocaine in some Egyptian mummies. Folks couldn’t figure out how it could’ve gotten from South America . Some people figured there was a trade route, and some figured that those plants were, at one point, able to be grown in Egypt.
Joe you should really do a video on the Beni culture of Bolivia. Also ancient, not much is known but they were effectively terraforming the land they lived on. To this day there are remnants that can be easily seen, even on google earth, man made lakes and likes. Learned about it from the book 1491. This culture is also know as the "Hydraulic culture of Las Lomas":
This sounds legit so cool. Gonna look this up, myself. Hopefully Joe sees this suggestion!
@@benny_lemon5123 It's fascinating, these guys built artificial lakes, and islands, had strategic pockets of forest left to hold the land and keep floods away. Highly recommend the book 1491 by Charles C Mann.
he whould really make a video about Kuélap fortress too, in Peru also... And also more videos in general about stuff surrounding South America
There is so much stuff in Bolivia it's honestly mind blowing, I've spent days looking over it, the amount of land excavated high above sea level? Whoa. I've shown people this stuff but no one is really interested in it. Also north east of Bolivia also has a lot going on. Stuff I've asked people to explain but no answers, I can't understand the land scape of 'los fuentes' Bolivia. So much going on there.
I've seen star maps on the ground, like huge things but I never took down the coordinates, I'm still looking for them. Like massive star maps covering entire mountains.
You’re right, never heard about this ancient civilization. Utterly fascinating, thanks !
Stay Awesome Joe.
What I like about the Andean Civilization is that it had to learn everything on its own. Without borrowing much from other civilization. Same goes for the mesoamerican civilization.
Ancient builders were awesome. Always on time and within budget!
I doubt it. they probably fudged up the time and budget then as much as they do now.
with exceptions of course.
Love this style of video. Right up my alley, as your videos often are.
This is my first video (but definitely not last), and I have to say I love the tangent cam. Definitely relate to that feeling.
We have VERY similar structures in Bosnia! 🇧🇦 I mean, almost identical!
Nobody knows who built them or how old they are. There is nothing in the history books, and all we know is that they're pre-Roman.
I can email you some photos, screenshots, and links if you're interested. I'm blown away by the similarities, and I'm sure you will be too!
This shouldn't be much of a surprise since there are plenty of structures and cultural influences / migrations that happened long before the Romans went there.
We should dig
@@JavaBum there are still plenty of surprises to be had. Take the age of the Varna civilization, when compared to Egypt. Not a lot is REALLY understood about what was going on in Eastern Europe back then.
@@jamuraisack5503 I'll definitely read up on this soon.
The Haitians built them. We anointed all the lands. The are the ancient Phoenicians
I've been subscribed for a long time. Still love your channel, Joe. You and the "the why files" channel are similar to me in that both channels talk about things I already know about, but because you're both such great story tellers, I never miss an episode.
That was a very roundabout way of saying I love what you do.
You rock, Joe! Keep it up! ✌🖖
Hell yeah!! Love me some The Why Files too.
Why files guy is nuts. Joe is charismatic and uses factual information which is why I can trust even his more out there topics to be based in intellectualism.
This is one of those cases where I just desperately wish we had more information about this. Absolutely stunning, human beings are truly incredible.
I’ve been to Sechin and Chankillo! I lived in Casma and visited these ruins! So many good memories! I wish I could share my pictures from there on here!
Watching other channels use your clips led me here! Great information and insights! ❤
Regarding a bit in "Nebula Extra Facts": We're still in an ice age as defined by year-round ice at north and south poles!
Imagine thinking the moon doesn't affect you physically.
This video was extra cool. I've never seen the path of the sun in a 8 path like that before. Also those towers are pretty amazing. Thanks for talking about this.
Idk how you only have 1.79M subs.
You make some of the best content on TH-cam that I have enjoyed over the years.
Thanks Joe!
I'm always fascinated by the huge difference in technology between Europe/Asia and the Americas. I mean, when they where building huge structures just to keep the time, we had actual calendars and clocks and stuff.
No beasts of burden
They had taken human labor about as far as it could go
Read 'Guns, Germs & Steel' by Jared Diamond.
Joe earned his alliteration badge!
Entertaining, yet totally geeking out… right up my alley! Gratitude.
Every time I hear an ancient site is precisely aligned with stars I wonder, has continental drift and astrological drift taken into account?
Hi @Joe Scott, you’re mixing Chankillo with 13 Torres. 13 Torres is outside Chankillo. An hour walking. Chankillo has no purpose as a fortress. From one side the terrain is quite higher than the walls. Also, the Sechin people didn’t built any other fortifications around their cities. Like in Las Aldas.
One of the pictures that you use in the video is from Caral. Build by their least impressive neighbors but with more good publicity: the Norte Chico civilization.
Anyway it blows my mind that the most impressive archeological sites in Peru (the Casma valley and the Bosque de Pomac) are still nearly untouched.
Talking with the archeologists there they told me that they have, at least, 300 years of work ahead. Nearly no money. And some discoveries that by the legends will put to shame other more famous discoveries.
I appreciate your information.
However,........"no porpoise as a fortress"......Dolphin defense?
@@stevenkarner6872 It's a whale of a theory...
I was thinking the same about the Caral building. I think the reason why Norte Chico has so much more publicity it is because it is the "oldest civilization" in the Americas.
But yeah, I also think it is a bit disappointing that so many impressive archeological discoveries in the region (and in general in the Americas) often get overlooked.
@@stevewhitteker3212Can you list a cetacean for that?
@@odess4sd4d WTH is a cetacean? Some kind of sea creature?
Regarding the Inka Sun worshipping, an unusual take of it appears in Peter Shaffer's The Royal Hunt of the Sun, his first successful play. It explores the relationship between Francisco Pizarro (Spanish Peru's conqueror) and Atahualpa (last Inka emperor) during the time the Inka was a prisoner. Pizarro is a Christian who lost his faith, and Atahualpa is totally certain of his own divinity. The question that the Christian God is invisible, whereas the Sun's existence is evident, makes for some interesting philosophical dialogue. You bet the play has not a happy ending. It is available online for reading.
The first Broadway production had Christopher Plummer as Pizarro and a very young David Carradine as Atahualpa; the NYPL has photos of them available online. Later, a movie was made with Plummer as Atahualpa and Robert Shaw as Pizarro. It cuts most of the philosophical dialogue and the direction is meandering - Plummer plays Atahualpa as a crazy guy, which was not the author's meaning. Still, the art direction is pretty good; it was the work of Eugène Lourié, and he knew his trade.
A curiosity, for the curious ones.
Awesome video. Love hearing about early human civilizations. It's one of the main things I think about.
I appreciate your honesty 😌👽🖖🏽⛰
This theme is almost worldwide, the relics that have been overlooked is such an expansive topic, I’d be very interested into deeper dives on the Egyptian type of artifacts and caverns found near the Grand Canyon, covered up by the Smithsonian in the 1920’s
Joe, as a teacher, I can guarantee the moon does effect people’s bodies… at least their minds. I don’t need a moon phase calendar to know when there’s a full moon. 😂😂
Neither do I. I just look out of the window.
Thank you for adding music, Joe.
I had a friend who spent her summers in Alaska as some sort of nature guide. She was outside nonstop for 3 or 4 months and claims that each summer her menstrual cycle would actually sync up with the moon. 🤷♀️ Maybe when people used to be in nature more this could happen?
Indeed. Heck, the menstrual cycles do sync up to each other, when women hang out together, so why wouldn't they be able to sync up to other things?
Have you ever thought about doing a video on the possibility of pre-history civilizations? I've seen some cool stuff concerning the astronomical orientation of certain ancient structures that would only match up to the skies of ~9000 BC.
I think the issue is there just isn't a lot of evidence. There's a lot of theory and possibilities but those change rapidly so any video made on the subject becomes outdated/incorrect pretty quickly. It also wades into pseudoscience pretty quickly. When you get into astrology stuff you welcome a lot of nonsense.
For clarity, our star charts and the night sky hasn't changed much or at all in 9000 years so you're starting off with an incorrect assumption. 10,000 years isn't a lot of time on a cosmic scale so the assumption that our night sky would look any different is incorrect. The changes would be very small.
You can find charts with images showing the very subtle differences in the stars going back 100,000+ yrs. The differences are pretty small.
@@CRneu I mostly agree with you, but the sky does change over 9,000 years, because the Earth axis has a precession with a period of ~26,000 years.
That means that you will travel around 35% of the precession cone in 9,000 years. That is quite a lot.
One result of this motion is that the North Star is not always in alignment with the earth axis. It can also be a different star, like Vega. That also means that the entire star field shifts.
Whether ancient people really aligned their buildings to some stars, however, is not well proven.
@@CRneu im no astronomer, so I frankly have no argument for that, im just referencing something I’ve heard surrounding the topic that related to this video. I think the fascinating fact surrounding it is that the little evidence found has it’s fair share of anomalies, meaning the reality could be many different things. Im not making any claims as to what those answers could be, I’m just saying that if anyone is qualified to make a video exploring these possibilities with ever changing evidence, it’s joe.
The sun shines through my curtains every morning and blasts in my face.
Fascinating , so much history to still learn about
Yeah, having multiple girlfriends who's cycle lined up with the full moon, sometimes for several years strait, it makes sense. I think it is more common with natural living in the country, its common knowledge out there. So is cycle synchronization. City life, birth control, and chemicals interact too much to allow for those fine tuned hormonal shifts to operate at maximal levels.
Hey awesome video.
Around 8:30 you start talking about the aridity of the region and the effect on the culture.. but I’d offer that in the timeframe you mention as the estimated culture to be like 7000 BCE… well the water table and ice-cap picture was very very different then. There’s so much geology history even in the region around where they thrived to suggest that the water could have been significantly higher than what we observe present day.
Just a thought… thanks for the video!
Agree, climate can change alot. I think that was a weak part of the video.
Cant tell you how many times ive seen hello fresh ads.. but ive never actually thought about getting it until your pitch for it!
13:02 Enjoyed your food advertisement!
Sort of surprised you didn't mention that the Pleiades are still referred to as "the Seven Sisters" -- the daughters of Atlas and Pleione in Greek mythology. To the naked eye only six stars are noticeable though... makes me wonder if that's either due to light modern pollution or just that the person naming the cluster had exceptionally acute vision.
Maybe the star was visible to the naked eye only during that time?
@@Crystal2pistolz That's a possibility in that the 7th brightest, Pleione, is a variable star with a period of about 35 years and it's near the visibility threshold. The wikipedia article on it is interesting if you're into that sort of thing.
Ooor, they're sophisticated enough to create some kind of Telescope
Hold up my learned friend.
The moon's gravitational pull is obviously strong enough to move oceans around, it does seem like it should be affecting our bodies as well . And it does. Barely. I mean, the difference in the moons gravitational pull between your head and feet is real, but very small. Lakes have tides. The great lakes have tides but it’s only about 5 cm difference because they are not the size of oceans . Just like the tides of seas, like the Mediterranean sea, are almost unnoticeable … to us.
A lunar cycle is approximately 28 days long and so is a woman’s. 28 days is clearly a natural cycle time . And how man·splainey is it to insist it isn’t?
The ancient belief that the moon was feminine, was not from imagination, but from observation.
As people of science, we know The moon impacts: time, tides and light. 'For many animals, particularly birds, the Moon is essential to migration and navigation. Some reproduce with the specific phases of the lunar cycle. So, it affects them!
Many animals will respond to both a circadian rhythm (real) and a lunar clock. The amazing mass spawning of corals in the Great Barrier Reef is also triggered by the Moon.
The joint pine, in full moonlight, each lcone produces droplets that sparkle under moonlight creating a magic glittering disco display that draws bugs to it. That’s the only way it pollinates.
So the idea that the moon affects us is very very far from crazy. I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out it does more in the future.
There’s an article in The National Library of Medicine, The lunar cycle: effects on human and animal behavior and physiology
by Michał Zimecki. There are several more like that but I think you’d find it interesting. Yes the weather affects a great deal on earth.
We're the caged animal that's screwed with the natural rhythms of our physiology. Women who pay attention to circadian rhythm and light pollution can and do reestablish a cycle with the moon.
(Avoid artificial light / spend more time outdoors --- just like staring at screens after the sun sets is affecting our daily circadian rhythm. Lack of natural light spectrums messes our hormonal rhythm.)
@@brookeb7994 thanks for that. It makes sense that the less one is affected by artificial things, the more one’s body would be affected by nature. It doesn’t make sense for scientist to believe that the body is not a natural thing lol.
I was just reading in the abstract of the article mentioned by Saffron, above.
In fish the lunar clock influences reproduction and involves the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal axis. In birds, the daily variations in melatonin and corticosterone disappear during full-moon days. But we’re supposed to believe it has no impact on us?
"Sometimes you get flavours you never had before". Happened to me too. I'm much better at cooking now, though. I love your videos, Joe.
Love your work! thanks!
I would really appreciate if you look into Indian history too, thanks!
You mean East India, the place next to the Indian Ocean?? 😃😃😃
red indians ???
People from Indiana?
If you don’t think the moon has an effect on behavior go on a police ride along on a full moon Friday night. And then pick another random Friday night without a full moon and you’ll see a difference
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One of the best HELLO FRESH sponsor commercial I’ve heard!
Great content too, thanks for posting!
I've been to the Sechin valley and seen a good number of their archeological sites. They inhabited a huge area. It must've been a very big and sophisticated culture. I've seen remnants of giant palaces, ceremonial structures, artwork, pottery u name it. Unfortunately due to corruption in Peru and lack knowledge and funds most sites are just left to decay on the side of the highway without anyone paying attention.
A couple miles down of the sechin bajo which on its own is very impressive, there is actually a HUGE pyramid structure. In fact archeologist believe it's the largest archeological structure in the ENTIRE AMERICAS.
I've stood on top of the remnants. Sadly it is completely destroyed, neglected and actually used by locals as a farm area and the rubble as building material. I remember being in awe of the size of the structure looking out over the valley, while looking to my left just to see a pig pin amidst some structures.
Peru is amazing.
This video has my interest peaked with the reference of Egypt and Inca structures being similar... What are your thoughts on Graham Hancock's theory of ancient peoples interacting with multiple cultures around the world?
I love that you used footage from Wonders of the universe series. That's where I learned about this ascient structures.
Loved the vid Joe! Interesting.
I totally tried the Hello Fresh too. It was fun for a while but, it to to be a lot of work. The food was always top notch, flavorful but then you have to clean up, hence where the work comes in. Besides, I missed my own dishes I liked to make. They are simpler and not as messy. It was fun for a while but had to quit.
Congratulations Joe for going down this path. Please continue to build on this path from time to time. Also speak to the right people who have already brought phenomenal findings to the forefront. Brian Foerster could be one of them...
Foerster is an ignoramus.
I should expand on this. Foerster is a private tour guide and TH-cam celebrity who refuses to do even basic research into the consensus findings of archeologists regarding many ancient civilizations. His views are almost entirely posed as questions which allow him to wave off criticism from academics and laymen alike. His views about mezoamerica reveal that he does not believe Mayan, Inca, and Aztec architects were capable of the feats they accomplished and he regularly propagates misinformation on TH-cam. Joe Scott has done us the service of sharing meaningful and fascinating archeological insight here with this video as he always has done extensive research (or at least the people who help him write his videos do extensive research and he presents it well). Foerster should not be considered an expert or an authority in any capacity regarding mezoamerican civilizations and yet he continues to pull ideas out of thin air about these civilizations and receive undue recognition for those ideas.
End rant.
@@studioMYTH Brian Foerster en Joe Scott went thee and upstairs a rag wich has the same color of faling leaves in the coffeecup from her, the one of the mountain like him with his phone of ambient noses in the morning breakfast.
Joe, please, tell us something about the Ohio disaster. Apparently, the contamination is now spreading to Canada. How bad it is? If feels like a second Chernobyl, but nobody is doing anything to contain the disaster, and msm is ignoring it.
I don't have any more information about it right now than you do so I don't know what I'd say. And I definitely don't want to add to any misinformation. Besides my studio is down right now.
Because the affected inhabitants are relatively poor and unimportant. They are basically expendable. 😃😃😃😃
A small bit of information, which MAY (probably) be to do with it:
th-cam.com/video/PnVE_ZqyrS8/w-d-xo.html
Cool video. Also that hello fresh meal looked delicious
I would like to thank you for showing me the history so that you can visit and know about the history or the desert, there are so many that I need to learn more, thank you.
The exact same type of hilltop observatory marked by megaliths can be found in Aukland, New Zealand.
They are officially listed as Maori Heritage sites, but if you ask the Maori themselves they will tell you this is the work of The Surveyors, mysterious people who were already established on the island when they arrived.
That's fascinating. I can't seem to find more about this. Do you have somewhere i can read more?
No that’s actually how Pa were built by Maori forever they do mayor earth works and trenching for miles that’s what they’re known for things like trench warfare and terraces. These are identical to Pa.
There’s over 5000 found in New Zealand. It’s Maori and quite distinct.
@@flamealchemy7964 Ah, so it wasn't true? That would explain the lack of any sources i could find.
@@JamesF0790 Watch the documentary "New Zealand: Skeletons in the Cupboard" where Maori representative speak about The Surveyors, and how the NZ government strongly discouraged indigenous people to ever mention pre-Maori settlers if they hoped to keep their heritage sites.
Hearing Chankillo always sets alarm bells off for me because of the amount of people I've seen claim it as evidence of western/white expansion into the Americas. So glad ur not like that my dude ♡
My new fav TH-camr! Absolute fantastic content! I just purchased 2 shirts!
ai art thumbnails? not you too
Your awesome joe thank you for your knowledge 😊