The real golden rule is to twang the strap and say "That's not going anywhere." Never fails. (Jokes aside, these things are too heavy for ratchet lashes. Use CHAINS.)
Because it's not true. We move these around unbanded In our mill when we need to cut pieces out to test them. They do have some potential energy but they don't spring out when they do, the outer 3-5 bands unwind.
It's literally based on how they are unloaded. Source: I'm a truck driver. The consignee tells the shipper how they want them loaded when they send in the purchase.
@kravenamg2138 Why not load them with the flat side parallel to the cabin? Can't they be secured properly or create too much momentum on curves making the truck topple?
@@F4n74. I believe you're talking about loading them shotgun style, with the eye facing the front and back of the trailer. They do load them that way; it just depends on how the buyer needs to unload them.
@@kravenamg2138is correct. Not only that but large coils can weigh 40,000-60,000 lbs. There's not many places that can unload a coil that heavy with the eye to the sky. You wouldn't want to go cut the straps or unwind a coil laying on it's side... Then there's the problem of trying to maneuver a coil on it's side into a coil handling machine so that it can be unrolled as production needs it. Thru the eye is the quickest and safest way to transport and unload beasts. Hauling them suicide makes them easier to secure because the chains are going thru the eye vs going over the coil Hauling them shotgun requires a lot more chains due to the direct method of chaining. A 3/8 70 grade chain has a work load limit of 6,600 lbs. That same chain securing indirectly is 13,200. Shotgun requires it to be chained down directly from the coil to the flatbed. Can't go thru the eye and secure to the other side of the vehicle. Direct method also requires chain angles to be close too 60°. Using the correct grade and number of chains equals a safe and secure load. A safe and secure load ain't going anywhere regardless of what happens. Biggest mistake I see drivers making when hauling anything on a flatbed is their chains or straps are on the outside of the rub rail, not using pockets properly... This is why NYS requires drivers to have a Metal Coil Endorsement...
I haul these professionally, and the REAL reason they're hauled with the "eyes to the side" is because of how much easier they are to secure. The big ones weigh 45,000 lbs, and there just isn't enough real estate to put chains on them when loaded "eye to the sky"
This whole Video is simply "short Format Video bullshit"... some random dude cutting random Videos together without any actual Knowledge or reasoning behind their wild claims. Like the Main argument Here is "when they were laid flat [in your words eye to the sky] even a little Bumps could cause them to release their stress" and Shows a Video of people deliberately cutting the roll Open while in eye to the side Position And again not giving any reasoning why this small stress has more chance to cause the roll to Open when in eyes up compared tobeyes to the sky
I worked in a four-high temper mill facility for a couple years. Our average coil was 50,000#-55,000#, but our foundry could make them 75,000# for special orders.
@@brqxton8974 if what I’ve heard is true then most of the reason certain places limit one coil is due to drivers neglect of properly securing the coils and there being lots of accidents due to such mistakes but again only what I’ve heard not necessarily the case.
.. the ONLY coils you use straps on are palletized everything else you use chains and the big coils are loaded on their sides due to the fact thats literally the only way to pick them up
It's not illegal to carry more than one anywhere in the country. Only one is loaded because any more than that and the driver is overweight in most cases.
In Germany, steel coils are transported on specially equipped trucks. Their trailers have a trough in which the coil can be transported upright. The so-called coil eye, the hole in the middle, faces the direction of travel. The coil can therefore not slide in any direction when properly secured. Manufacturers of these trailers for example: Krone Trailers, Germany Berger ecotrail, Austria Kässbohrer, Germany Meusburger, Germany
It is also possible to transport coils flat, but this is only done here in Germany if the coil has been processed beforehand. Before processing, for example, the coil has a width of 600 millimeters. It is then unrolled, cut lengthwise in a machine and turned into 15 coils with a width of 40 millimeters. This is then placed flat on a pallet using a crane and can then be transported in this condition. This is safer than transporting it standing up, because the support surface is much too small compared to the height.
Man osha wouldn't do a fucking thing they would call the company and tell them they are coming nothing would be done on that shit nothing at all they laugh and walk away
When I was 18 I used to work in a steel factory, and was almost crushed to death because the steel coil was too heavy for the spindle and ripped it out of the concrete. I turned my back for one second to fill out paper work and then someone screamed to move I dove out of the way and the crane swung it through a concrete wall right where I was standing.
This is what happens when the six figure guys implement a cost savings measure without consulting process engineering or maintenance. Bigger coils mean less coil changes.
So, is a "circle check" required for all cargo, or for just stuff shaped like a circle? Curious because I'm not a truck driver, (edit) i mean because I don't know what a circle check is. Ty
@@robertbehan9186the proper term is pre trip and yes it is required, but I would say flatbed pre trips require more attention because 1 loose tarp/ chain/ strap can comprise a whole load
@user-vo6zb4bx7j Typically, coils that are laid flat on the deck are palletized, and much smaller than the standard coils that are usually loaded suicide or shotgun on coil racks.
Ive been working in the factory with these for 6 years! 50lb- 25t Sometimes larger with permits. Ive done everything from receiving. Unwraping. Loading. Setups, slitting, and rolling mill operator. Packaging, shipping, and quality control. Ive been sliced, broken fingers, lost nails. Blessed to have my life. As a single father it pays the bills. But working in tight places playing with death isnt for the faint of heart. World wide manufacturing depends on us. ❤🇺🇸
I'm a truck driver, the only guys you'll see hauling those are the serious psychopaths 😂 I steer clear of hauling coils, idgaf how much they paying me to haul it.
Back in the day when I used to drive OTR Flatbed, the option was given to the truck driver, to have the coils loaded 'Shotgun' or 'Suicide'. All the trucks shown in this video are loaded 'Suicide' and it's plain why that term is used. Suicide loaded coils are a LOT easier to chain up, but deadly if they break loose in an accident. Shotgun loaded coils are a pain to chain up, but tend to fall forward flat and won't crush the cab of the truck in an accident. I always had mine loaded SHOTGUN.
@@koollee coils really arent that bad. The 2 trucks that had the coils break free seem to only have 1 chain on them. Each chain is rated for 15000 pounds, so a 40k coil should have 3 minimum.
These videos are clearly in third world countries so chances are the truck drivers didn't even know what they were getting themselves into or weren't told much about the risks or properly instructed for safety. And were just told to transport the load like any other day of work
I worked at NAS for 10 ish years. They load their coils into a jig and place that on the trailer. It helps big time. I saw coils in the cold mill waiting for pickup by truck and train that weighed up the 80000 lbs. That place is really a mechanical masterpiece. Everyone should have the experience of walking through a place like that from the scrapyard to shipping. It's pretty mind-blowing how much we humans can do when we all want to agree on something.
Same feeling makes me want to go back in time and watch the mayan temples be built before my eyes. Not the aztec ones because they were way more violent😅😅
I worked in a steel mill and we referred to the loads as suicide loads without a headache rack on the back of the truck. Depending on the roll it was usually between 20,000 to 30,000 lbs.
The coils at our mill weigh about 20-25 metric tons. That should be 44.000 - 55.000 pounds. Definitely not something you want to uncoil anywhere near you.
One of the most dangerous loads for a trucker, rolled steel. Another is a load of logs. Bless our truckers everyday for all they do to keep our country running, shelves filled, medical supplies delivered, gas to the pumps , etc. Big love to all of them.❤❤❤
And the crazy 4 wheelers on the road they have to deal with. About a year ago in my region a driver cut off a trucker forcing him off the road and headed towards a tree. He was hauling a full load of auto gas so the truck exploded in flames and he died in the accident and several homes caught fire.
It's best to transport them in railroad coil cars. Fortunately most coils go to factories with rail service. I just wonder why the DOT doesn't mandate purpose specific coil trailers.
Why? Safety rules are not codified in my opinion since more money has to be spent on ‘special equipment’. Nah we true patriots will wing just -wing it. 😊
I actually use to haul these, and they are perfectly fine on a flatbed for hauling. What happened in the video was a failure on the driver to secure his load properly. While a special trailer might be ideal, it isn't practical for any company that hauls more than just coils. So long as the securement is done properly, hauling it on a flatbed is perfectly safe.
Flat bed driver here. Steel coils are shiped in the manner in which they are loaded. Suicide.. side ways. Shotgun front to back. Eye in the sky. Up and down. One chain for every 5K pounds. The average steel coil weighs 44K. That means I would be required to put 8 chains. Then I put 1 extra for my mom and another extra for God. Total of 10 chains. The coil gets loaded on a bed of 2 4x4 solid oak timbers with rubber mats sitting 6 hard steel coil racks. Then I cover that with a tarp and tie down the tarp the a couple dozen bunjy cords and two 6 inch wide straps to make it look good and tight.
A small mistake can make a freaking big mess, with the world of Freight, not just Coils, but Pipes, Rebar, Bar and Sheet Stock! Each has its own challenges! But, thank you for your Concern for: Your Mother, Yourself, And Us, 4 Wheeler Drivers sharing the Road! Even improperly loaded Pallets, can take a Box Van Trailer, and make it a Dangerous Weapon!
I’m glad that a lot of people have spoken up against this video’s content. I used to work as an inspector at the end of a hot strip mill. Before that I worked all over the plant. The way that the coils are loaded onto the trucks depends on the equipment that the customer has to unload the coils….We could slap them on the truck any way we wanted to, but if the customer can’t get that metal off the truck then what’s the point……
@@Trucker-BellyDo they roll if they're laying flat on their side? C'mon Chip, you can't be that dumb. Then again, the only Chip I've ever met was one of the biggest idiots I've ever had the misfortune of meeting, so maybe it's normal.
@@Trucker-Bellydid you just suggest rolling something thats made of solid metal and weighs several tons… Do you realize how much energy that thing will have from rolling
I worked at USSteel Tin mill and processed coils. They are not close to being shipped after going through the Hot strip. They are pulled through acid and trimmed and rolled back up at the Pickle line. Then sent to another mill to be unrolled, processed to customer specs and rolled again before shipping. They are usually moved from one Mill to another upright by a crane with a Hepenstall
I used to transport coils in the 90's and we had a trailer with a groove down the middle for the coils to sit in. Dangerous job loading, especially when you are trusting someone you have never met sat in the crane.
I remember when my dad was teaching me how to drive to never drive beside a truck hauling those coils, he said to pass or stay far behind and when I asked why he said if one landed on us it would have no problem completely pancaking us
They definitely wouldn't, they can weigh up to around 45,000 pounds. However, if a driver has properly secured their load and performs their required periodic load checks, the coil shouldn't be an issue.
As a coil tractor operator it’s impossible to safely load a coil eye up its impossible to unload it safely or unsafely you’d destroy the trailer very fast
@@mortenaasen4923 yeah if you’re crane loading these trucks which would still be inefficient but if you’re tractor loading these trucks like the thumbnail it’s impossible
I've seen plenty large coils hauled into one of our suppliers, always eye to the sky but sitting on plenty of dunnage. It's definitely not impossible to load or unload safely.
One of the many reasons I never drive beside semis for long. I just want to quickly pass them or have them behind me. Was passing one a while back and their tire popped. The thing almost went through my window.
Semi drove me into the median trying to get in the left lane for a car with flashing lights. Thankfully, it was during a snow storm, so the snow actually slowed me down enough to not hit the guard rail. Got out, checked my car, and went on my way. Semi trucks scare the shit outta me
@@joshua_337 We hate it when they camp in those spots too. There are a lot of things that can happen to cause me to lose control, even temporarily...I don't want that to damage or hurt someone else. Speed up if you have to but get around us as fast as you can.
Use to load/unload these and rig them up for the presses. You don't just have to worry about getting crushed by them, the banding that keeps them coiled can come undone and they basically become an ever expanding, fast moving blade. I am unbelievably lucky that I had no issues while working with them and I had the opportunity to realize that my life is worth more than the pittance these factories try to pay.
I've been delivering them from specialty steel since 1988.. they mostly put them on single axel trucks class b and they're put into shelves, depending on weight it's either 3-4 and most states wants you to deliver between 10pm-5am to Ohio to get sandblasted. Strapping is mandatory on everything, when put on trailer.. the company won't allow you to put the 40-59,000. On trailer only up to 20,000 each no more then 4 you also must show permit
I don't understand why they don't ship the first roll sorta diagonally angled away from the the cab and then the same thing at back of the trailer... Sounds better than straight at the cab.... End the driver, yes securing of the load helps but that's just my opinion
@@phillblack4455 It's mostly for securement purposes and safety. Loading them crooked could cause weight imbalance to one side or the other, or an imbalance in weight to different sections of the trailer overall. Plus it would be far more difficult to secure them from side-to-side and forward/backward movement. Suicide (eye to the side) is the typical loading because it's the easiest to secure, but I prefer shotgun (eye to the front) loading personally because its more effective in restricting movement/load shift. Properly loaded and secured, a coil loaded with either method isn't going to move at all.
@@phillblack4455 well, it’s because of how they load or unload. They use either a crane or forklift. Forklifts for ‘skidded coils’or eye to the sky they call it is only loaded by a forklift. Crane for suicide or shotgun load. Meaning eye to the side or eye to the rear.. If you loaded it, any other way, there wouldn’t be any way to chain them to the side rails. Interesting idea though!!!
You have to secure the load. If you're using sufficient chains and blocking applied correctly its not an issue. Coils are not always transported standing up (widowmaker). Coils are regularly transported laying flat (eye to the sky). it depends on the type of material, its weight, and the requirements of the receiver.
It depends on the type of material to change from upright to eye to the sky, Small thick unpacked coils can be transported e2sk because magnets and forklifts can handle this material. The norm is upright due to the fact that not all factories, shipping yards and has tilters, secondly you need a massive magnet to remove a coil from a trailer to a tilter. Thirdly, coils are normally oiled and packed, electric magnets tend to damage the packing if coils is handled eye to the sky. As me i have seen a magnet pull a coil telescope and even bucket. It cost a lot to rewind the coil and rewinding lines damage the material.
@@teknoreaper9232 Yes. When not properly secured, in an accident situation or hard stop they can sometimes break loose and keep on rolling. Right through the cab, taking out the driver..
My dad used to haul coils out of Alcan across the east coast of US and Canada back in the early 90s. It's called a suicide load because the coils weigh 18 tons each and if the tie-down chains break it's gonna roll right over the top of the cab and crush you.
Used to go out with my dad delivering huge rolls of steel. And he used to strap those things down tight and i remember saying to him 'why do you use so many straps to tie the reels to the trailer', and he replied, 'im not, i'm strapping the trailer to the reels' lol.
My dad was a truck driver so in 1977 aged 11 i went with him to the Ipswich Docks to pick up a load of Steel coils. He used a Valley trailer which had a heavy duty trough running end to end. The coils were loaded into the trough and chained down, My dad told me to stand in front of the cab incase it went tits up , if a coiled opened up the sheets would fly across the yard and cut you in half All went well so as a treat he took me onto the ship to watch tractors and cars made in Germany being craned out. A fry up with the Dockers and crew was the greatest. Cheers
@@douglaswallace8585 Been all over the UK and missed a lot of school but you learn different. Learned how to rope and sheet a load with ROPE using knots, stood me well when I got into Mountain climbing and then Tree work. Hitch hiked a lot with him if we dropped off a Truck/Lorry. Cheers
@@willtricks9432 my dad worked in a coal mine I got to see just a little bit though could only take me down to the start of it once but that’s funny I did tree work here in the states until I got hurt I climb and trimmed tree out of power lines
@@douglaswallace8585 Seeing what real work is when you're young opens your eyes to what you might expect. Tree work attracts good people, sorry to hear you got hurt, did you get into something else? Good luck.
@@willtricks9432 I couldn’t find much work do to the area I live in and my wife had a good job and since disability doesn’t pay anything starting a woodworking business and have some rental properties and thanks but it happened around 2009 or 2010 then I had heart surgery in 2017 and Bub I’m only 42 so being limited on what I can do is hard but you got one thing seeing what I did and growing up that way gave me the attitude that nobody is just going to give you something you have to go get what you want through smarts and hard work
No actually you do. Just because some random guy on TH-cam who doesn't know what he's talking about doesn't mean other people don't know what they're doing. Oh look, I found a video of one guy who didn't secure his load and the load fell off doesn't mean this is normal.
A slight angle to the right so it won't cut loose and crush you. I've hauled wide, tall, heavy, and long. I aways hated coils! Every thing has a price. There are trailers with special supported wheel wells. Every state reqiures weight reulations, permits when over weight, chain sizes and even more skill. Not just sterring wheel holders.
You literally turn them 90° so they’ll fall off the truck instead of killing the driver… I can’t believe an entire industry of people can’t figure that out
If Aluminium coils have any damage to the edge, they're scrapped. We used to transport them using special trailers with a well and a retractable roof. Crane into place and loaded with a bar through the center. No way for them to move during transit.
If they are slits(narrow coils of strips of steel), they are laid flat so they can be taken off with a forklift and easily loaded for roll forming/shaping. The full coils are stacked sideways so the crane with a C hook or magnet can take them off if they are over 5 tonnes. Experience, I work in a steel factory.
@@whearts dumb question of the day goes to you! what's it like being forklift certified lmao...do you have a drivers license? what's that like? do you have 2 legs? what's it like? have you tried food? what was it like?! you're acting as if having a forklift license lets you go to the fkn moon lmao it's not that deep sweetheart
If loaded correctly and secured properly, they are fine. I’ve hold them all over the country. Never had one single problem with one if done correctly, which is why the state of Alabama for a long time had a coil test.
If you see a trailer that look like a box trailer but all tarp it's a Conastoga. Stay far back from it. I know too many people who do not put enough chains on to safely drive with it. One chain for every ten thousand pounds. Some of the people I have seen come into my work will leave out of there with 2 chains on it on a 45000 pound coil. Too many people have gotten complacent. As well as lazy
We used to take the chains completely under the trailer then through the Coil hole.Basically if you cocked up the driving it was not the Coul that would come off ,it's the whole truck and trailer would go over on its side with the coil still chained to the trailer.
Back when I sold auto insurance, my client was driving down Highway 17 in northern Ontario. A transport truck coming from Algoma Steel, had its coils fall off. My client was driving behind and it bounced up and down on top of her car. Result a "car pancake"
I used to drive OTR flatbed. One such run was to haul a single aluminum coil from Alcoa in Lancaster, PA to Precision Strip in Minster, OH. That single coil always weighed 53k pounds and the rig was set up to be as light as possible to allow for the load, including very limited fuel. The run paid well, but I do not miss chaining and tarping those bastards. My rule for chains: 2 more than required for weight. I've seen the aftermath of a runaway coil. No thank you. I have children.
I saw one about 4 yrs ago on Rt 30 in Dallas. The wooden bed and steel frame of the trailer broke in half. Coil almost rolled off. I should have obeyed my new GPS, but I never had it tell me to go some other crazy route. I know better now.
Currently work at a steel mill. As long as you use carbon bands that havent been in a furnace (black bands, not the rusty looking ones) and have the proper amount for the gauge, they secure the coil just fine. Our ram truck drivers slam them down all the time. Can feel it through the floor 50ft away.
I work at a spiral pipe mill and we use these. It's amazing how much mass these things have. Generally, 1 coil can produce up to 5 0.500", 42" Diameter, 80 feet pipe.
Yes we had them on our firm ,it's like a V shaped hole along part length of the trailer ,so the Coil sits in it .Used to chain the coils ,then sheet and rope them ,and take them to Liverpool from South of England .
My earliest memories are being with my dad at 12 in the morning getting his flat bed loaded with coils in the yard before a run for the day. I would wake up in the morning not knowing what town we were in delivering. So many memories
The headache rack isn't going to do shit to a 20,000lb coil. What's "wild" is that these idiots use a couple of chains to tie it down from the middle and think "yeah, that's not going any where." You also need to chain it tensioned backwards and forwards, so the coil has no room to wiggle back and forth, AND use the appropriate guage and number of chains for the weight of the coil!
i work at one of the largest steel coil plants in the country we make them in various weights up to about 65000+ pounds they are 100% of the time loaded eyes to the side and get blocked on both sides then chains rain through the eyes to the deck and if the straps holding the coil snap they dont always unravel
Forget about the truck driver, I'm more worried about other drivers. A few years ago some goober truck driver ignored construction signs for a mile and rear ended me and 3 other stopped vehicles going 70 and one of the reels came off and ran over what was left of the back of my pickup. I'm sure whatever extra rigging it takes to secure them in another orientation is cheaper than the $1,000,000+ medical bills between the 4 of us.
I'm worried about the truck driver as well as all the other drivers. I'm even worried about the turtles crossing the roads. Let's all be safe and care about eachother. Unlike this pos that has it out for truck drivers because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
@@JakePlisskin12 ehhh wrong place/wrong time is not what the highway patrol report said lol. I don't have it out for all truck drivers but as a professional driver it's their responsibility to operate in a safe and controlled manner. I have it out for anyone who can't do that.
I unload them at work, only the 10-15k pound ones, they are secured with some pretty heavy duty chains and wood blocks. Besides just being a shit driver, I bet he also didn't tighten it down enough. There is really no reason for it to roll off the truck, unless it rolled.
@@joshkrause2977 Yes, and personally inspect that the work done was correct. It's not that different from flying a plane, you're the one that gets killed if it fails catastrophically, not the folks at the warehouse.
Moi je travail chez Arcelor Mittal à basse indre dans le 44 en France et ses l'e seul produit que l'on travail, la seul différence est le tonnage car chaque bobine est différente...
I've hauled steel coil that would be wider than the trailer if laid on its side making it an oversized load. coils are safe to transport just need to be properly secured. They make coil racks for coils to sit in.
I am a tin basher....and our supplier ships coils in special skids but they are not laid flat because its nearly impossible to offload them. Some can weigh up to 30000 pounds depending on the gauge of steel.
@@chrisp9046 mainly just industrial HVAC. We used to do commercial but the company decided to change direction. Its pretty crazy the size of duct work we do now.
@@Krackhead-g2j Interesting. I work for a similar company but still doing commercial as well. Pretty much anything welded (18 ga and heavier) is industrial. And yah I can imagine how big they get for you guys too. Fucking duct work the size of small buildings lol.
Me as a truck driver Boss calls : "So we got some steel coils for you to pick up today." Me : "Nope. Forget that, I ain't dying today no way. Find some other dare devil." 😂
I use to work at a coil processing plant. Some coils that have been slit can be loaded eye to the sky because a forklift can pick them up. Usually those can only go up to about 8 thousand pounds. Anything else is loaded eye to the side so that an overhead crane can pick it up usually those are master coils that are up to 50 thousand pounds.
I worked at a steel mill for 18 years. Not every customer has a crane and magnet big enough to lift the coil off the truck. Most use smaller cranes with straps, or if they are more profitable they will use an overhead remote crane with mechanical grabs. Won't roll like that if customer specifies loading the coil in the shotgun position (hole in coil is front to back of the truck).
Coils need to be properly secured in a coil rack with chains as a primary securment. They also should have straps correctly and strategically placed as secondary securements. The key is for the coil never to move. If the coil moves, most likely it will break free and roll
Well you're right about 3 chains but wrong about having one in the middle. For example, a 9k coil requires 3 chains.one in the front and 2 in the back. Having a chain in the middle isn't doing much to protect you from a hard brake.@joshkrause2977
@@King_UPP_THERRR the middle chain has nothing to do with braking or accelerating it’s about keeping the coil securely to the deck and timbers. You don’t want forward motion you don’t want backwards motion you don’t want up-and-down motion either. You want chains pulling it to the deck pulling it forward and pulling it backwards. The only exception like you said is small under 10k pound coils, only because each chain binder and steak pocket is good for 8000 pounds of securement. With those because they will move some I always put a middle chain or strap with steel edge protectors. Movement is also why you check and retighten chains and or straps every 150 miles after your first check at 50 miles. Did flatbed my whole 18 yrs of trucking and never had a load shift or come off the trailer.
As material handler in the press room i had to load coils like these on the automatic presses with our Hercules lift. They are stored flat with 2×4 blocks underneath to get a fork under, stand them up and then lift them from the bottom onto the machines. It was common for the rear of the lift to be lifted off the floor doing this
Saw a security cam footage where a man was standing in front of something solid at knee height and the steel coil was hanging in front of him. It was being transported. They are insanely heavy. Something went wrong and the steel coil swung down. The man’s legs got trapped between the structure and coil. Immediate amputation. He got lucky actually. That’s why the rule is not to stand in between a coil and anything solid.
saw a video of one of these get loose and go rolling down the street , some pedestrian tried to stop it by kicking it... he had horseshoes up his butt and probably in the place his brain should be luckily it just sent him flying instead of turning him into a pancake.
I hauled thousands of smaller coils "eyes down" on pallets. Depends on the coils. Video is of trailer loaded "Eyes to the side" as the shipper calls it. Drivers call this loaded "suicide."
On a matter of language: my first language is German and we would refer to these coils standing on the flat side as "standing up", whereas laying them on the round side would be called "layed down". Interesting how this varies between the languages.
In English, for those in the know, it’s actually referred to as “eye to the sky” and “eye to the side”, which is pretty self explanatory. Eye to the side is also referred as “suicide”.
Forklift operator here, we load them standing up not laying on their side. Although the max size of coil I've worked with is 3ton. Some dude in the comments is saying he's moved 45,000 pound ones. No idea how thats even possible but respect
Biggest coils we ran were 5 ton at my old job. MTD Lawn mowers is the biggest press room in my area and ran big 45k coils for the lawn tractor bodies and stamp decks.
It's not atypical for drivers to haul 22-25 ton coils. I regularly haul them between Iowa and Minnesota. Most of the time they end up going to manufacturing plants like John Deere or Ford.
It’s crazy because at my job I’m in charge of loading the coils for press operators and the lightest coil I pick up is 5k lbs and the heaviest is 11k lbs. Anything more and we need to get the Titan or the Crane.
Thats because the ground is used as a stopper. Imagine the distance it would expand and the speed it would spring at? Not only that, how would they get next to it to cut the straps?
I drive a forklift right now for a factory and this is exactly what I do. Load and unload coils and then hang them up for the press to run “also ran a 800 ton press” just gotta be safe
@@josephkokolakis4670 I seen a coil of steel chase a guy about 80 feet. Center came off the stock reel when they were trying to get it to the straighter they didn’t have it open all the way on the middle. Center started unwinding
Chains, straps, and cleats ( blocks) on either side. Just as a little added measure. I've seen them of course, but never thought about them rolling off the truck! 🚛 😧 I understand there's special trailers with "wells" to set them in. Never noticed those. Cool video 👍
That only applies for hot rolled coils. The thinner grades, often used in car manufacturing, are usually cold rolled coils. Those used to be hot rolled coils that went through pickling and a cold rolling phase, usually followed by annealing and/or galvanizing.
That’s why some if not most flatbed/ steel haulers (in America at least) will have this thing called a headache rack on there truck (sometimes a trailer might have one installed) it’s to back and hopefully stop cargo from going thru your truck injuring or killing you (on trucks it also has the ability to hold chains and binders.
Seems like a good option would be to NOT pack them so tightly so they are NOT so sensitive to any disruptions so that way you CAN put them on flat side
I worked at a Stamping Plant and I can tell you those coils sometimes are under a lot of stress. When we cut the bands we make sure we are far back because that coil can come unwind and smack your head off
Okay, this is an absolute catastrophe in occupational health and safety regulations. Everything about these accidents is preventable. Safety is everybody's job. The union, the worker, the employer, the driver, the government. Get real about it and do not let this happen
@@fishingnxjabout 50/50. I made a bunch of special rigging for a customer of mine that had coils break free and crush one of his tractors and driver. It was the 4th or 5th time they had it happen in as many decades but that guy died.
The golden rule of loading steel coils is: if you think you have enough straps, put more
The real golden rule is to twang the strap and say "That's not going anywhere."
Never fails.
(Jokes aside, these things are too heavy for ratchet lashes. Use CHAINS.)
And no chalk is to big
Id use chains since metal tends to cut nylon.
Straps that are chains yeah
If a coil starts to move, you can even have 1000 of straps. Doesn't matter...
I never knew I should be afraid of steel coils. Thank you.
You should've
Are you Patrick?
The edges of sheet metal coils can be super sharp 🩸
New fear unlocked:
Live leak taught me
"a small bump can unravel it"
It rolls off a flat bed and is perfectly intact...
Literally what I was thinking
Because it's not true. We move these around unbanded In our mill when we need to cut pieces out to test them. They do have some potential energy but they don't spring out when they do, the outer 3-5 bands unwind.
Someone survived falling out of a plane once, using your Logic you can just jump out of planes 😂
That's a crap shoot , you don't know if the banding is done right it can become compromised coming off the trailer ..FLATBED IS NOT FOR EVERYONE
@@Rcb0never knew a flatbed was as high as a plane flies😂
It's literally based on how they are unloaded. Source: I'm a truck driver. The consignee tells the shipper how they want them loaded when they send in the purchase.
@kravenamg2138 Why not load them with the flat side parallel to the cabin? Can't they be secured properly or create too much momentum on curves making the truck topple?
Aren't coil racks used usually?
@@F4n74. I believe you're talking about loading them shotgun style, with the eye facing the front and back of the trailer. They do load them that way; it just depends on how the buyer needs to unload them.
@@MrMedfordscum they're always used if you're securing properly. One rack for every 8000lbs.
@@kravenamg2138is correct.
Not only that but large coils can weigh 40,000-60,000 lbs. There's not many places that can unload a coil that heavy with the eye to the sky. You wouldn't want to go cut the straps or unwind a coil laying on it's side... Then there's the problem of trying to maneuver a coil on it's side into a coil handling machine so that it can be unrolled as production needs it.
Thru the eye is the quickest and safest way to transport and unload beasts. Hauling them suicide makes them easier to secure because the chains are going thru the eye vs going over the coil Hauling them shotgun requires a lot more chains due to the direct method of chaining. A 3/8 70 grade chain has a work load limit of 6,600 lbs. That same chain securing indirectly is 13,200. Shotgun requires it to be chained down directly from the coil to the flatbed. Can't go thru the eye and secure to the other side of the vehicle. Direct method also requires chain angles to be close too 60°. Using the correct grade and number of chains equals a safe and secure load. A safe and secure load ain't going anywhere regardless of what happens.
Biggest mistake I see drivers making when hauling anything on a flatbed is their chains or straps are on the outside of the rub rail, not using pockets properly...
This is why NYS requires drivers to have a Metal Coil Endorsement...
“And they carry a lot of tension inside”
I feel ya coil….I feel ya
I'm going to need you to work the weekend...
Also we're moving you to the desk in the basement next to the printer. Yeah, so...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@protorhinocerator142I never knew these coils were suffering from such anxiety
Have you ever wondered why drivers secure their loads properly before they drive?
You meant to say stress right lol. They even resort to violence and suicide by truck driver
I haul these professionally, and the REAL reason they're hauled with the "eyes to the side" is because of how much easier they are to secure. The big ones weigh 45,000 lbs, and there just isn't enough real estate to put chains on them when loaded "eye to the sky"
Yeah I believe that
This whole Video is simply "short Format Video bullshit"... some random dude cutting random Videos together without any actual Knowledge or reasoning behind their wild claims.
Like the Main argument Here is "when they were laid flat [in your words eye to the sky] even a little Bumps could cause them to release their stress" and Shows a Video of people deliberately cutting the roll Open while in eye to the side Position
And again not giving any reasoning why this small stress has more chance to cause the roll to Open when in eyes up compared tobeyes to the sky
I worked in a four-high temper mill facility for a couple years. Our average coil was 50,000#-55,000#, but our foundry could make them 75,000# for special orders.
This video should be called “TH-camr speculates wrongly”
Finally some who knows what they're talking about. Thank goodness for professionals.
Murder coils. In some places it’s illegal to carry more than one and if done right they have like 7 different straps on them.
That’s the case here, it’s always odd seeing a big rig carrying just one coil, but I’m sure it’s saved a number of lives.
@@brqxton8974 if what I’ve heard is true then most of the reason certain places limit one coil is due to drivers neglect of properly securing the coils and there being lots of accidents due to such mistakes but again only what I’ve heard not necessarily the case.
.. the ONLY coils you use straps on are palletized everything else you use chains and the big coils are loaded on their sides due to the fact thats literally the only way to pick them up
@@aaronabney8924 how are you making this comment when you were literally disproven by the video you supposedly just watched
It's not illegal to carry more than one anywhere in the country. Only one is loaded because any more than that and the driver is overweight in most cases.
In Germany, steel coils are transported on specially equipped trucks. Their trailers have a trough in which the coil can be transported upright. The so-called coil eye, the hole in the middle, faces the direction of travel. The coil can therefore not slide in any direction when properly secured.
Manufacturers of these trailers for example:
Krone Trailers, Germany
Berger ecotrail, Austria
Kässbohrer, Germany
Meusburger, Germany
That seems logical lmao
Damn right. In THE USA they won't load them shotgun fear of them crushing the other vehicles on the highway
It is also possible to transport coils flat, but this is only done here in Germany if the coil has been processed beforehand.
Before processing, for example, the coil has a width of 600 millimeters. It is then unrolled, cut lengthwise in a machine and turned into 15 coils with a width of 40 millimeters. This is then placed flat on a pallet using a crane and can then be transported in this condition.
This is safer than transporting it standing up, because the support surface is much too small compared to the height.
The transport company will load them the way that you ask them to load them. Palletized, eye out, eye in-line. Chain secures them not gravity.
That's because Europe has decent health and safety standards
Osha would have a field day hearing them explain why my mans was on that trailer
Yea bc on the ground where it fell would be safer
@@millimike Sir it would literally be better if he was where the camera guy was.
Someone needs to center the thing and unhook the cable, you use common sense and make sure your clear if a cable snaps
Man osha wouldn't do a fucking thing they would call the company and tell them they are coming nothing would be done on that shit nothing at all they laugh and walk away
Trump gutted OSHA.
There are rules and laws but very little inspection or enforcement.
When I was 18 I used to work in a steel factory, and was almost crushed to death because the steel coil was too heavy for the spindle and ripped it out of the concrete. I turned my back for one second to fill out paper work and then someone screamed to move I dove out of the way and the crane swung it through a concrete wall right where I was standing.
This is what happens when the six figure guys implement a cost savings measure without consulting process engineering or maintenance. Bigger coils mean less coil changes.
Did you shit your pants? I would’ve shat my pants.
Jesus man, that's some final destination level stuff, good to see you're still kicking
Thank you for ur service.
thank you for the comment
My dad hauled these for 30 years. Thank god he never lost one. I see why circle checks are critical.
So, is a "circle check" required for all cargo, or for just stuff shaped like a circle? Curious because I'm not a truck driver, (edit) i mean because I don't know what a circle check is. Ty
@@robertbehan9186the proper term is pre trip and yes it is required, but I would say flatbed pre trips require more attention because 1 loose tarp/ chain/ strap can comprise a whole load
Tell your father thank you for me.
but i have seen a lay flat coils，when on highway
@user-vo6zb4bx7j Typically, coils that are laid flat on the deck are palletized, and much smaller than the standard coils that are usually loaded suicide or shotgun on coil racks.
Ive been working in the factory with these for 6 years!
50lb- 25t
Sometimes larger with permits.
Ive done everything from receiving. Unwraping. Loading. Setups, slitting, and rolling mill operator. Packaging, shipping, and quality control.
Ive been sliced, broken fingers, lost nails.
Blessed to have my life. As a single father it pays the bills.
But working in tight places playing with death isnt for the faint of heart.
World wide manufacturing depends on us. ❤🇺🇸
TH-cam shorts taught me how steel coils are the most dangerous objects ever
I'm a truck driver, the only guys you'll see hauling those are the serious psychopaths 😂 I steer clear of hauling coils, idgaf how much they paying me to haul it.
@@daMillenialTruckermaybe u get paid more for doing steel coil?
@@asdqwe_9381most definitely
@@asdqwe_9381
Idgaf means I don't give a f by the way
@@asdqwe_9381it depends on how fragile the cargo and how long the distance is.
Back in the day when I used to drive OTR Flatbed, the option was given to the truck driver, to have the coils loaded 'Shotgun' or 'Suicide'. All the trucks shown in this video are loaded 'Suicide' and it's plain why that term is used. Suicide loaded coils are a LOT easier to chain up, but deadly if they break loose in an accident. Shotgun loaded coils are a pain to chain up, but tend to fall forward flat and won't crush the cab of the truck in an accident. I always had mine loaded SHOTGUN.
Im a driver whos never pulled flatbed.. only van trailers and car haul.
This video terrified me because i was interested in hauling coils.
@@koollee coils really arent that bad. The 2 trucks that had the coils break free seem to only have 1 chain on them. Each chain is rated for 15000 pounds, so a 40k coil should have 3 minimum.
Lack of perception could be attributed.
This was a question I needed answered. I can't imagine using anything less than 1 chain over what's rated. It's a round object. Any chain could slip
These videos are clearly in third world countries so chances are the truck drivers didn't even know what they were getting themselves into or weren't told much about the risks or properly instructed for safety. And were just told to transport the load like any other day of work
I worked at NAS for 10 ish years. They load their coils into a jig and place that on the trailer. It helps big time. I saw coils in the cold mill waiting for pickup by truck and train that weighed up the 80000 lbs. That place is really a mechanical masterpiece. Everyone should have the experience of walking through a place like that from the scrapyard to shipping. It's pretty mind-blowing how much we humans can do when we all want to agree on something.
Same feeling makes me want to go back in time and watch the mayan temples be built before my eyes. Not the aztec ones because they were way more violent😅😅
Ehhh, 80000? That's nothing, you could probably lift that! You just need a buddy 😂
Use kgs, normal fuckin units
@@emperornephew6487 No thx.
And now look at the windows screensavers of mountains and oceans… we do all this with only that
I'm actually impressed by the number of clips you found and put together that are directly relevant to what you're saying
I worked in a steel mill and we referred to the loads as suicide loads without a headache rack on the back of the truck. Depending on the roll it was usually between 20,000 to 30,000 lbs.
a headache rack isnt gonna do anything but hold your chains when not in use
@@SouthGeorgiahotshot any putting nothing between you and rolled steel is better?
@@lhead7226 the headache rack is nothing of one of these starts rolling. I drove OTR flatbed for four years and was a driver trainer.
That’s why modern steel mills fit ejector seats to their trucks, smart!
The coils at our mill weigh about 20-25 metric tons. That should be 44.000 - 55.000 pounds. Definitely not something you want to uncoil anywhere near you.
Been a forklift driver Loading and unloading coils for 7 years now I’m thankful I’ve had no mistakes🙏🏻
I pray for you, these are terrifying I could never 😅
Now why would you go and post something like this? Why? Why tempt fate?
Yes bro i use to do that shit fuck that bro big balls be safe 😅
@@ChrisRedfieldsbloodline Because he doesn't live in fear. Are you some kind of boogie man?
@@ChrisRedfieldsbloodlinecalm down 💀
One of the most dangerous loads for a trucker, rolled steel. Another is a load of logs. Bless our truckers everyday for all they do to keep our country running, shelves filled, medical supplies delivered, gas to the pumps , etc. Big love to all of them.❤❤❤
love them all, some of the most unappreciated workers in society
Indeed. My father, my brother and my cousin were all over the road truckers.
The most dangerous job in the US is loggers
Milk trucks don't have baffles in them for sanitary reasons. Pretty fn dangerous!
And the crazy 4 wheelers on the road they have to deal with. About a year ago in my region a driver cut off a trucker forcing him off the road and headed towards a tree. He was hauling a full load of auto gas so the truck exploded in flames and he died in the accident and several homes caught fire.
It's best to transport them in railroad coil cars. Fortunately most coils go to factories with rail service. I just wonder why the DOT doesn't mandate purpose specific coil trailers.
Why? Safety rules are not codified in my opinion since more money has to be spent on ‘special equipment’. Nah we true patriots will wing just -wing it. 😊
I used to unload and load these and at 25 tons a piece they shouldn’t be stood up but loaded and a special trailer holy shit 30k likes is insane 😂
I actually use to haul these, and they are perfectly fine on a flatbed for hauling. What happened in the video was a failure on the driver to secure his load properly. While a special trailer might be ideal, it isn't practical for any company that hauls more than just coils. So long as the securement is done properly, hauling it on a flatbed is perfectly safe.
Yeah superman
@@Nozeronelol you never hauled o can tell by your vocabulary. Done lie on interwebs over small stuff like that it don't make you look anybetter😊
@@bossjosh423Get off the internet without your parent’s permission
I mean how should his vocabulary be??you assuming hes lying and we dont have your credibility either@bossjosh423
Flat bed driver here. Steel coils are shiped in the manner in which they are loaded. Suicide.. side ways. Shotgun front to back. Eye in the sky. Up and down. One chain for every 5K pounds. The average steel coil weighs 44K. That means I would be required to put 8 chains. Then I put 1 extra for my mom and another extra for God. Total of 10 chains. The coil gets loaded on a bed of 2 4x4 solid oak timbers with rubber mats sitting 6 hard steel coil racks. Then I cover that with a tarp and tie down the tarp the a couple dozen bunjy cords and two 6 inch wide straps to make it look good and tight.
Smart man, never too much safety at work. I'd do the same!
Outstanding work👍
A small mistake can make a freaking big mess, with the world of Freight, not just Coils, but Pipes, Rebar, Bar and Sheet Stock!
Each has its own challenges!
But, thank you for your Concern for:
Your Mother,
Yourself,
And Us, 4 Wheeler Drivers sharing the Road!
Even improperly loaded Pallets, can take a Box Van Trailer, and make it a Dangerous Weapon!
The hell is the first quarter of your comment even saying?
@@NukeOverlord can you not read?
I’m glad that a lot of people have spoken up against this video’s content. I used to work as an inspector at the end of a hot strip mill. Before that I worked all over the plant. The way that the coils are loaded onto the trucks depends on the equipment that the customer has to unload the coils….We could slap them on the truck any way we wanted to, but if the customer can’t get that metal off the truck then what’s the point……
They roll… so unloading is basically common sense😂
@@Trucker-BellyDo they roll if they're laying flat on their side? C'mon Chip, you can't be that dumb. Then again, the only Chip I've ever met was one of the biggest idiots I've ever had the misfortune of meeting, so maybe it's normal.
@@nickwilliams2415they slide
@chipburns4123 And they don't stop rolling until they want to stop. So not good.
@@Trucker-Bellydid you just suggest rolling something thats made of solid metal and weighs several tons…
Do you realize how much energy that thing will have from rolling
I worked at USSteel Tin mill and processed coils. They are not close to being shipped after going through the Hot strip. They are pulled through acid and trimmed and rolled back up at the Pickle line. Then sent to another mill to be unrolled, processed to customer specs and rolled again before shipping.
They are usually moved from one Mill to another upright by a crane with a Hepenstall
I used to transport coils in the 90's and we had a trailer with a groove down the middle for the coils to sit in. Dangerous job loading, especially when you are trusting someone you have never met sat in the crane.
That's why you never sit in your truck while loading is happening, no matter what is being loaded, and no matter what a dock worker tells you.
As a crane driver in Tata steel we have allocated safety locations now they are still frequently ignored
@@zxsquall8017 if you ignore safety protocols you get fired. guaranteed.
Please tell me the groove was made so the coils sat with the Sides facing the front and back of the trailer?
How come they dont just chain them up, so they don't roll anywhere?
You'll never know if you've used too many chains, but you'll sure as hell know if you didn't use enough.
I mean you wouldn't know... but everyone else would.
Can't argue with that 😮😊
@@kevinwright5672oof
I remember when my dad was teaching me how to drive to never drive beside a truck hauling those coils, he said to pass or stay far behind and when I asked why he said if one landed on us it would have no problem completely pancaking us
Parents do that for any car carrying heavy, protruding load.
They definitely wouldn't, they can weigh up to around 45,000 pounds.
However, if a driver has properly secured their load and performs their required periodic load checks, the coil shouldn't be an issue.
@CerberusTNC one key part of driving is assuming that everyone else on the road is an idiot and doesn't do what they're supposed to.
@@megan5867 it always bugged me...
"drive defensively"=good
"speak defensively" and erryone gets triggered, ignoring whatever the point was.
@@9th-Circle45,000 pounds doesn’t even know a car exists.
This makes me respect truckers and the factory workers that have to contend with these problems on a daily.
As a coil tractor operator it’s impossible to safely load a coil eye up its impossible to unload it safely or unsafely you’d destroy the trailer very fast
I know how it could be done safely.
C coil lifter or internal lifter. Np
@@mortenaasen4923 yeah if you’re crane loading these trucks which would still be inefficient but if you’re tractor loading these trucks like the thumbnail it’s impossible
@@TheDamonsta so blame ur boss for ur bad USA-like working conditions, not the coils xd
I've seen plenty large coils hauled into one of our suppliers, always eye to the sky but sitting on plenty of dunnage. It's definitely not impossible to load or unload safely.
One of the many reasons I never drive beside semis for long. I just want to quickly pass them or have them behind me. Was passing one a while back and their tire popped. The thing almost went through my window.
Semi drove me into the median trying to get in the left lane for a car with flashing lights. Thankfully, it was during a snow storm, so the snow actually slowed me down enough to not hit the guard rail. Got out, checked my car, and went on my way. Semi trucks scare the shit outta me
This is the smart move. Get around semis quickly and efficiently.
Be wary of fools who park in the semi driver's blind spot while going down the road.
I get so mad when people take their time passing semis on the freeway, like just get out of the death zone already...
@@joshua_337 We hate it when they camp in those spots too. There are a lot of things that can happen to cause me to lose control, even temporarily...I don't want that to damage or hurt someone else. Speed up if you have to but get around us as fast as you can.
I hate truck that have loaded with tree trunks thanks to Final Destination 😂 and now new fear is unlocked 😐
Use to load/unload these and rig them up for the presses. You don't just have to worry about getting crushed by them, the banding that keeps them coiled can come undone and they basically become an ever expanding, fast moving blade. I am unbelievably lucky that I had no issues while working with them and I had the opportunity to realize that my life is worth more than the pittance these factories try to pay.
Remember all those annoying safety rules are written in blood.
This is really awesome!
Huge respect for the people who work in this industry. God protect them.
Thank you, we don't hear that enough.
Well god appears to have been sleeping for those two drivers in the video
Thank you
@@EnRandomStenexactly. god was probably smoking a blunt when that happened
nonetheless i have never wondered this because i dont know what they are for
Well, as a 20 year veteran hauling them, securing them is the most important part of the job! No matter what way you load them.
I've been delivering them from specialty steel since 1988.. they mostly put them on single axel trucks class b and they're put into shelves, depending on weight it's either 3-4 and most states wants you to deliver between 10pm-5am to Ohio to get sandblasted. Strapping is mandatory on everything, when put on trailer.. the company won't allow you to put the 40-59,000. On trailer only up to 20,000 each no more then 4 you also must show permit
Good deal!! I haul aluminum coils from Logan Aluminum in Russellville Ky. They’re pretty big of course. We call them jumbos Lol.
I don't understand why they don't ship the first roll sorta diagonally angled away from the the cab and then the same thing at back of the trailer... Sounds better than straight at the cab.... End the driver, yes securing of the load helps but that's just my opinion
@@phillblack4455 It's mostly for securement purposes and safety. Loading them crooked could cause weight imbalance to one side or the other, or an imbalance in weight to different sections of the trailer overall. Plus it would be far more difficult to secure them from side-to-side and forward/backward movement.
Suicide (eye to the side) is the typical loading because it's the easiest to secure, but I prefer shotgun (eye to the front) loading personally because its more effective in restricting movement/load shift.
Properly loaded and secured, a coil loaded with either method isn't going to move at all.
@@phillblack4455 well, it’s because of how they load or unload. They use either a crane or forklift. Forklifts for ‘skidded coils’or eye to the sky they call it is only loaded by a forklift. Crane for suicide or shotgun load. Meaning eye to the side or eye to the rear.. If you loaded it, any other way, there wouldn’t be any way to chain them to the side rails. Interesting idea though!!!
You have to secure the load. If you're using sufficient chains and blocking applied correctly its not an issue. Coils are not always transported standing up (widowmaker). Coils are regularly transported laying flat (eye to the sky). it depends on the type of material, its weight, and the requirements of the receiver.
It depends on the type of material to change from upright to eye to the sky, Small thick unpacked coils can be transported e2sk because magnets and forklifts can handle this material. The norm is upright due to the fact that not all factories, shipping yards and has tilters, secondly you need a massive magnet to remove a coil from a trailer to a tilter. Thirdly, coils are normally oiled and packed, electric magnets tend to damage the packing if coils is handled eye to the sky. As me i have seen a magnet pull a coil telescope and even bucket. It cost a lot to rewind the coil and rewinding lines damage the material.
Is it called widow maker for the reason im thinking or is that a coincidence?
@@teknoreaper9232 Yes. When not properly secured, in an accident situation or hard stop they can sometimes break loose and keep on rolling. Right through the cab, taking out the driver..
My dad used to haul coils out of Alcan across the east coast of US and Canada back in the early 90s.
It's called a suicide load because the coils weigh 18 tons each and if the tie-down chains break it's gonna roll right over the top of the cab and crush you.
Used to go out with my dad delivering huge rolls of steel. And he used to strap those things down tight and i remember saying to him 'why do you use so many straps to tie the reels to the trailer', and he replied, 'im not, i'm strapping the trailer to the reels' lol.
lol that is an amazing way of explaining it
I occasionally had to move 2 or 3 on a trailer and I used chain and toggles.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 he's right... Trailer probably only weighs 7 tons but that coil can weigh up to 42 tons...😂😂😂😂
Hopefully he used the magical incantation: that ain't going nowhere.
@@vicmango8090 we had special trailers that had like a V shaped hole in the middle that they sat in ,but I used chains to lock them down.
My dad was a truck driver so in 1977 aged 11 i went with him to the Ipswich Docks to pick up a load of Steel coils.
He used a Valley trailer which had a heavy duty trough running end to end. The coils were loaded into the trough and chained down, My dad told me to stand in front of the cab incase it went tits up , if a coiled opened up the sheets would fly across the yard and cut you in half
All went well so as a treat he took me onto the ship to watch tractors and cars made in Germany being craned out. A fry up with the Dockers and crew was the greatest. Cheers
I love stories like this
@@douglaswallace8585 Been all over the UK and missed a lot of school but you learn different. Learned how to rope and sheet a load with ROPE using knots, stood me well when I got into Mountain climbing and then Tree work. Hitch hiked a lot with him if we dropped off a Truck/Lorry. Cheers
@@willtricks9432 my dad worked in a coal mine I got to see just a little bit though could only take me down to the start of it once but that’s funny I did tree work here in the states until I got hurt I climb and trimmed tree out of power lines
@@douglaswallace8585 Seeing what real work is when you're young opens your eyes to what you might expect. Tree work attracts good people, sorry to hear you got hurt, did you get into something else?
Good luck.
@@willtricks9432 I couldn’t find much work do to the area I live in and my wife had a good job and since disability doesn’t pay anything starting a woodworking business and have some rental properties and thanks but it happened around 2009 or 2010 then I had heart surgery in 2017 and Bub I’m only 42 so being limited on what I can do is hard but you got one thing seeing what I did and growing up that way gave me the attitude that nobody is just going to give you something you have to go get what you want through smarts and hard work
“Then how do we transport them safely?”
“That’s the neat part, you don’t”
No actually you do. Just because some random guy on TH-cam who doesn't know what he's talking about doesn't mean other people don't know what they're doing. Oh look, I found a video of one guy who didn't secure his load and the load fell off doesn't mean this is normal.
Yeah dude, theyve squashed every truck theyve ever been on. Thats why we keep making them & keep trying cause it will work eventually!
@@akimboslice9867 its never truly safe if one bad breaking can cause to turn you into tomato pulp
A slight angle to the right so it won't cut loose and crush you. I've hauled wide, tall, heavy, and long. I aways hated coils! Every thing has a price. There are trailers with special supported wheel wells. Every state reqiures weight reulations, permits when over weight, chain sizes and even more skill. Not just sterring wheel holders.
You literally turn them 90° so they’ll fall off the truck instead of killing the driver… I can’t believe an entire industry of people can’t figure that out
If Aluminium coils have any damage to the edge, they're scrapped. We used to transport them using special trailers with a well and a retractable roof. Crane into place and loaded with a bar through the center. No way for them to move during transit.
If they are slits(narrow coils of strips of steel), they are laid flat so they can be taken off with a forklift and easily loaded for roll forming/shaping. The full coils are stacked sideways so the crane with a C hook or magnet can take them off if they are over 5 tonnes. Experience, I work in a steel factory.
But are you Forklift Certified? -- Some youtuber on the internet.
@@whearts yes i am
@@zanesmith666
What it’s like being Forklift Certified
@feloniousfalafel
@@whearts dumb question of the day goes to you! what's it like being forklift certified lmao...do you have a drivers license? what's that like? do you have 2 legs? what's it like? have you tried food? what was it like?! you're acting as if having a forklift license lets you go to the fkn moon lmao it's not that deep sweetheart
What do they do from these coils?
If loaded correctly and secured properly, they are fine. I’ve hold them all over the country. Never had one single problem with one if done correctly, which is why the state of Alabama for a long time had a coil test.
hehe, hold instead of hauled
Same lol😂
Husband hauled these too. It's the driver's responsibility to secure them properly and use undamaged chains.
This man acting like even the most well made materials/products, of ANY kind, never have pieces or parts just inexplicably fail.
stay safe out there 🙏🏼
I can safely say I've never thought about steel coil transportation in my life... til now.
If you see a trailer that look like a box trailer but all tarp it's a Conastoga. Stay far back from it. I know too many people who do not put enough chains on to safely drive with it. One chain for every ten thousand pounds. Some of the people I have seen come into my work will leave out of there with 2 chains on it on a 45000 pound coil. Too many people have gotten complacent. As well as lazy
@@troywooton2002 what tf are steel coils for? why does everyone know so much about steel coils?
@@spoons2183they are pretty important. Even you are living through it without knowing 😂
Much respect to the guys that work in those warehouses.. 💪🏾👍🏾
new fear unlocked : steel coils
Honestly though, i could have went my whole life not knowing these existed, let alone be afraid
@@Hunt4Yoshi me too in fact, i was just joking... or maybe i wasn't...
The chance of a steel coil hiding under your bed at night is very low..... but never zero.
My thoughts exactly.
i seen a guys legs get crushed by one before
As a steel coil i find this very useful
lol
wow. so funny.
As a youtube comment section replier
I can confirm that i replied to this comment
@@xziaah6j63kx9 shut up
Bros carrying on the family tradition from his moms side of weighing 30,000 lbs
Goal is to thoroughly chain down the coil, which means chains through the center anchored to the sides of the truck bed.
We used to take the chains completely under the trailer then through the Coil hole.Basically if you cocked up the driving it was not the Coul that would come off ,it's the whole truck and trailer would go over on its side with the coil still chained to the trailer.
Doesn't hurt to put a strap around the chocks as well, that way they can't pop out and put more stress on the coil strap.
@@John-ob7dh I once actually saw a flatbed on it's side with coils still attached to the bed. I was impressed.
@Harold_Callahan I worked in a big depot ( long since retired ) it used to amaze me some drivers never seemed to respect the danger of those coils.
Back when I sold auto insurance, my client was driving down Highway 17 in northern Ontario. A transport truck coming from Algoma Steel, had its coils fall off. My client was driving behind and it bounced up and down on top of her car. Result a "car pancake"
I used to drive OTR flatbed. One such run was to haul a single aluminum coil from Alcoa in Lancaster, PA to Precision Strip in Minster, OH. That single coil always weighed 53k pounds and the rig was set up to be as light as possible to allow for the load, including very limited fuel. The run paid well, but I do not miss chaining and tarping those bastards. My rule for chains: 2 more than required for weight. I've seen the aftermath of a runaway coil. No thank you. I have children.
I saw one about 4 yrs ago on Rt 30 in Dallas. The wooden bed and steel frame of the trailer broke in half. Coil almost rolled off. I should have obeyed my new GPS, but I never had it tell me to go some other crazy route. I know better now.
"The smallest bump might cause them to open up"
*rolls over the entire cabin of a semi truck*
*does not open up*
He clearly said "when laid FLAT", the rolling ones were not laid flat. Clean your ears.
It was loaded flat, open your eyes.
Currently work at a steel mill. As long as you use carbon bands that havent been in a furnace (black bands, not the rusty looking ones) and have the proper amount for the gauge, they secure the coil just fine. Our ram truck drivers slam them down all the time. Can feel it through the floor 50ft away.
They *usually* secure them just fine...
It only takes one.
I work at a spiral pipe mill and we use these. It's amazing how much mass these things have. Generally, 1 coil can produce up to 5 0.500", 42" Diameter, 80 feet pipe.
Loading coils standing up is very safe provided they are properly secured.
In the UK it's standard practice for these to loaded in a well, I believe they are specifically designed trailers
Yes we had them on our firm ,it's like a V shaped hole along part length of the trailer ,so the Coil sits in it .Used to chain the coils ,then sheet and rope them ,and take them to Liverpool from South of England .
Jep
Should be here in America too, but you know, stupid politicians and business won't self govern if violates the only thing that matters to them, $$$$
Here is a pic of the tautliner Coil carry trailer.we only had the same trailers in open flat trailers.
In the early 70’s they were just scotched with Timbers each side of a coil 😱
My earliest memories are being with my dad at 12 in the morning getting his flat bed loaded with coils in the yard before a run for the day. I would wake up in the morning not knowing what town we were in delivering. So many memories
If I knew what the Hell these were I'd be scared to come in to work 😂😂
@petercoleman2834 12am is mid day??? How do figure that?
@@Suckitdownpipeget some more hours in and you’d know part timer
@@collinelington.8885it's midnight
@collinelington.8885 Were you making a joke? 12am is the middle of the night.
Transporting 3 heavy ass coils, on a metal bed without a head ache rack, is wild.
The headache rack isn't going to do shit to a 20,000lb coil. What's "wild" is that these idiots use a couple of chains to tie it down from the middle and think "yeah, that's not going any where." You also need to chain it tensioned backwards and forwards, so the coil has no room to wiggle back and forth, AND use the appropriate guage and number of chains for the weight of the coil!
3 way anchor is the way.
Side, back, front!
Common to carry 2 coils per trailer/wagon in Australia
Wild and stupid asf
Third world.
Also didn't have 6 or 7 chains to secure it.
Those coils are how pipe is made, if anybody is wondering.
Someone who designs a solution for this problem can make a good fortune 💰
i work at one of the largest steel coil plants in the country we make them in various weights up to about 65000+ pounds they are 100% of the time loaded eyes to the side and get blocked on both sides then chains rain through the eyes to the deck and if the straps holding the coil snap they dont always unravel
nucor or nipon?
@@yellowbasementrecords651 Or perhaps Ijmuiden? :P
nucor@@yellowbasementrecords651
@@SeedlingNL Its almost certainly nucor or us steel(now nipon). Those are the only two steel producers with mills that size in the united states.
Forget about the truck driver, I'm more worried about other drivers. A few years ago some goober truck driver ignored construction signs for a mile and rear ended me and 3 other stopped vehicles going 70 and one of the reels came off and ran over what was left of the back of my pickup. I'm sure whatever extra rigging it takes to secure them in another orientation is cheaper than the $1,000,000+ medical bills between the 4 of us.
I'm worried about the truck driver as well as all the other drivers. I'm even worried about the turtles crossing the roads. Let's all be safe and care about eachother. Unlike this pos that has it out for truck drivers because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
@@JakePlisskin12 ehhh wrong place/wrong time is not what the highway patrol report said lol. I don't have it out for all truck drivers but as a professional driver it's their responsibility to operate in a safe and controlled manner. I have it out for anyone who can't do that.
I unload them at work, only the 10-15k pound ones, they are secured with some pretty heavy duty chains and wood blocks. Besides just being a shit driver, I bet he also didn't tighten it down enough. There is really no reason for it to roll off the truck, unless it rolled.
You just an idiot with access to internet. Did you know thats a person too?
there is no way in hell that i would offer to haul a roll of steel
Would 10K do it? it's just an hours drive
Just secure it right and it’s good.
go slow, take easy routes - dont hit brakes if some asshold cuts you off
except if they were laid flat
@@joshkrause2977 Yes, and personally inspect that the work done was correct. It's not that different from flying a plane, you're the one that gets killed if it fails catastrophically, not the folks at the warehouse.
You're going places, keep it up!
Cool to hear of people relating their experiences with these coils. Adds to the discussion. Thx!
Moi je travail chez Arcelor Mittal à basse indre dans le 44 en France et ses l'e seul produit que l'on travail, la seul différence est le tonnage car chaque bobine est différente...
I disagree
I've hauled steel coil that would be wider than the trailer if laid on its side making it an oversized load. coils are safe to transport just need to be properly secured. They make coil racks for coils to sit in.
Old guy taught me when hauling something round nail blocks to the deck. Never shipped steel coils.
I am a tin basher....and our supplier ships coils in special skids but they are not laid flat because its nearly impossible to offload them. Some can weigh up to 30000 pounds depending on the gauge of steel.
How thick of a gauge are we talking?
@@chrisp9046 we did 16 to 22 gauge on the Vicon.
@@Krackhead-g2j Ohhh interesting. Fabricating HVAC and mechanical systems?
@@chrisp9046 mainly just industrial HVAC. We used to do commercial but the company decided to change direction. Its pretty crazy the size of duct work we do now.
@@Krackhead-g2j Interesting. I work for a similar company but still doing commercial as well. Pretty much anything welded (18 ga and heavier) is industrial. And yah I can imagine how big they get for you guys too. Fucking duct work the size of small buildings lol.
Me as a truck driver
Boss calls : "So we got some steel coils for you to pick up today."
Me : "Nope. Forget that, I ain't dying today no way. Find some other dare devil." 😂
I worked at a place called color strip, they would unroll it , spray paint it, dry it , roll it back up and ship it, the plant was about a mile long.
How did they uncoil them safely?
@@tim_allen_jr forklifts would put them on a reel that would lock it with a roller then thread it through the line, they could do several rolls a day.
@@mikeo8890 thanks for the info.
@@mikeo8890 good to know machines handle that part
Wow!
I use to work at a coil processing plant. Some coils that have been slit can be loaded eye to the sky because a forklift can pick them up. Usually those can only go up to about 8 thousand pounds. Anything else is loaded eye to the side so that an overhead crane can pick it up usually those are master coils that are up to 50 thousand pounds.
That construction worker reacted perfectly
That's TERRIFYING BTW WTF 😂😂
I worked at a steel mill for 18 years. Not every customer has a crane and magnet big enough to lift the coil off the truck. Most use smaller cranes with straps, or if they are more profitable they will use an overhead remote crane with mechanical grabs. Won't roll like that if customer specifies loading the coil in the shotgun position (hole in coil is front to back of the truck).
Lack of people slapping the strap and saying “this isn’t going anywhere”
Lol
Theyre in China, they dont say that. No wonder lmao
Coils need to be properly secured in a coil rack with chains as a primary securment. They also should have straps correctly and strategically placed as secondary securements. The key is for the coil never to move. If the coil moves, most likely it will break free and roll
You have a unique and captivating presence.
And they are freaking sharp !
Depends on the metal thickness which can be 3/4" 19mm.
I used to haul steel coils. You must ALWAYS have at least two chains pulling backwards and one pulling forward.
wow...
Depending on the weight.
@@King_UPP_THERRRregardless of weight you still use 3 chains, front, middle, and back. The higher the weight the more you add in that sequence.
Well you're right about 3 chains but wrong about having one in the middle. For example, a 9k coil requires 3 chains.one in the front and 2 in the back. Having a chain in the middle isn't doing much to protect you from a hard brake.@joshkrause2977
@@King_UPP_THERRR the middle chain has nothing to do with braking or accelerating it’s about keeping the coil securely to the deck and timbers. You don’t want forward motion you don’t want backwards motion you don’t want up-and-down motion either. You want chains pulling it to the deck pulling it forward and pulling it backwards. The only exception like you said is small under 10k pound coils, only because each chain binder and steak pocket is good for 8000 pounds of securement. With those because they will move some I always put a middle chain or strap with steel edge protectors. Movement is also why you check and retighten chains and or straps every 150 miles after your first check at 50 miles. Did flatbed my whole 18 yrs of trucking and never had a load shift or come off the trailer.
That truck really said " dont tickle my neck " 😂
😂😂
You have some serious talent!
As material handler in the press room i had to load coils like these on the automatic presses with our Hercules lift. They are stored flat with 2×4 blocks underneath to get a fork under, stand them up and then lift them from the bottom onto the machines. It was common for the rear of the lift to be lifted off the floor doing this
Saw a security cam footage where a man was standing in front of something solid at knee height and the steel coil was hanging in front of him. It was being transported. They are insanely heavy. Something went wrong and the steel coil swung down. The man’s legs got trapped between the structure and coil. Immediate amputation. He got lucky actually. That’s why the rule is not to stand in between a coil and anything solid.
saw a video of one of these get loose and go rolling down the street , some pedestrian tried to stop it by kicking it... he had horseshoes up his butt and probably in the place his brain should be luckily it just sent him flying instead of turning him into a pancake.
Er nurse here... yeah I've taken care of patients who lost limbs like this. Usually clean cut. 👌🏻
I hauled thousands of smaller coils "eyes down" on pallets. Depends on the coils.
Video is of trailer loaded "Eyes to the side" as the shipper calls it. Drivers call this loaded "suicide."
They're called "suicide coils" 💀💀💀
On a matter of language: my first language is German and we would refer to these coils standing on the flat side as "standing up", whereas laying them on the round side would be called "layed down". Interesting how this varies between the languages.
That's how it would be in English too.
This narrator is just an idiot
You are correct the video was made by someone unfamiliar with western language using a text to speech translated from their native language
In English, for those in the know, it’s actually referred to as “eye to the sky” and “eye to the side”, which is pretty self explanatory.
Eye to the side is also referred as “suicide”.
How is the taller one not standing up
German is English tho 😂
Forklift operator here, we load them standing up not laying on their side. Although the max size of coil I've worked with is 3ton. Some dude in the comments is saying he's moved 45,000 pound ones. No idea how thats even possible but respect
Biggest coils we ran were 5 ton at my old job. MTD Lawn mowers is the biggest press room in my area and ran big 45k coils for the lawn tractor bodies and stamp decks.
@@capps2015 absolutely insane. cool stuff. i need to do some research online about these 45k mega coils
It's not atypical for drivers to haul 22-25 ton coils. I regularly haul them between Iowa and Minnesota. Most of the time they end up going to manufacturing plants like John Deere or Ford.
It’s crazy because at my job I’m in charge of loading the coils for press operators and the lightest coil I pick up is 5k lbs and the heaviest is 11k lbs.
Anything more and we need to get the Titan or the Crane.
I'm a truck driver that hauls them every once in awhile. And yes it's possible. They are called mastercoils.
They transport them standing up in Australia, however they do use wooden chocks to help prevent movement
Wood and steel cradles mate....and chained 30 . 70 rear bias for safety reasons.
I did not know this was even an issue, wow my hats off to all the gentlemen who have had to deal with these things 😎🙌🏼💙
I love how every example shown of the coil disbanding was it not laying flat lol
Good point.
And all the accidents were of them standing up lol
That's because they NEVER lay then flat. Hard to catch footage of something when they don't do that something. 🤦♿♿♿
Thats because the ground is used as a stopper. Imagine the distance it would expand and the speed it would spring at? Not only that, how would they get next to it to cut the straps?
"Even small bumps can cuase them to relase this stress" proceeds to drop one off a truck that stays wrapped up perfect
Keyword “can”
Nobody said the idiots who put this stolen content together weren't idiots
II9m99 I no nnI😢@@ww_melon1418
Thicker gauges can unravel pretty aggressively, but thinner coils won’t
The cinematography in this is top-notch.
This is breathtaking!
I drive a forklift right now for a factory and this is exactly what I do. Load and unload coils and then hang them up for the press to run “also ran a 800 ton press” just gotta be safe
I had the same job
WOW!
Ever have a band break?
@@JohnSmith-xu7ev all the time. I had a coil fall off the spindle and had to put it back on
@@josephkokolakis4670 I seen a coil of steel chase a guy about 80 feet. Center came off the stock reel when they were trying to get it to the straighter they didn’t have it open all the way on the middle. Center started unwinding
Chains, straps, and cleats ( blocks) on either side. Just as a little added measure.
I've seen them of course, but never thought about them rolling off the truck! 🚛 😧
I understand there's special trailers with "wells" to set them in. Never noticed those. Cool video 👍
The reason why they're so tight is that they're rolled while they're hot; the metal then shrinks as it cools greatly increasing the tension. .
That only applies for hot rolled coils. The thinner grades, often used in car manufacturing, are usually cold rolled coils. Those used to be hot rolled coils that went through pickling and a cold rolling phase, usually followed by annealing and/or galvanizing.
Your dedication is inspiring.
I delivered steel coils for about 8 years, when I first started driving trucks. Some of them weighed ten tons each. Fortunately no accidents.
It's always cool to see the things that other people do for work/have figured out how to deal with.
That’s why some if not most flatbed/ steel haulers (in America at least) will have this thing called a headache rack on there truck (sometimes a trailer might have one installed) it’s to back and hopefully stop cargo from going thru your truck injuring or killing you (on trucks it also has the ability to hold chains and binders.
Seems like a good option would be to NOT pack them so tightly so they are NOT so sensitive to any disruptions so that way you CAN put them on flat side
That would defeat the purpose. Also, it will actually make the problem worse.
I worked at a Stamping Plant and I can tell you those coils sometimes are under a lot of stress.
When we cut the bands we make sure we are far back because that coil can come unwind and smack your head off
How much the weight of a coil?
@@fonzo88 it varies. Widely.
@@fonzo88it can be anywhere from 8,000 to 50,000 lbs. Insane weights, needs chains to be secured properly.
Okay, this is an absolute catastrophe in occupational health and safety regulations. Everything about these accidents is preventable. Safety is everybody's job. The union, the worker, the employer, the driver, the government. Get real about it and do not let this happen
I used to be a press operator and people have no idea how heavy theses are till you drop one we had to use a crane and a heavy forklift
Coil Trailers should have their own "Headache Racks" that can withstand Roll attacks!
Finally someone who knows how to prevent the problem!!
what happened to the driver?
Death, probably
@@fishingnxjabout 50/50.
I made a bunch of special rigging for a customer of mine that had coils break free and crush one of his tractors and driver. It was the 4th or 5th time they had it happen in as many decades but that guy died.
Died but its good now
He did the Pepsi
They died😒