Really? John most likely assumed that any body with enough sense to reload would have enough brains to use the annealer on empty brass. Hence the term RELOADING!!!! He shouldn’t need to hold your hand like a toddler
After considerable time spent reading, watching videos, and thinking about which annealer I wanted to get I bought the EP 2.0. It's a great, inexpensive unit that meets my needs. I thought the little cake pan was a nice touch so I baked a batch of brownies in it.
I've had this exact unit for 2 years now. Works perfectly for the different cartridges I anneal. Learning curve is very short and results are very repeatable.
I've had the EP annealer for just over a year and for me it's perfect. I don't load high volumes of brass so having a "magazine" full of brass isn't a huge deal. Annealing 200 to 300 cases doesn't take as long as you might think. I adjust the rpm so each case spends between 7 and 8 seconds in the flame. I anneal 30-06, 308 Winchester, 7mm-08, 243 Winchester, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.8 SPC, 223 Remington, and 300 Blackout. The unit itself is well made and when I picked it up I was surprised at it's weight for such a small unit. Thanks John!
I had been unable to make a decision until I saw this video. Ordered it last week. Used the promo code. Received it today. These days it’s getting harder and harder to find something that works as advertised, but this did. Setup was a snap. Have already annealed 100 cases. Thank you for your content. Extremely helpful.
Thanks for showing this option. I went with the Ugly Annealer since I can load up a bunch of brass and not feed each one. I still monitor the process and adjust speed/flame but not having to feed each case was the way to go for me.
I have an Aneeleez. I run 500 cases of 5.56 at a time, and use a few pieces of range pick to test the temperature using 750F Tempilaq. It doesn’t turn red at that temperature.
Hey john hats off to ya mate. Its nice to see someone promote a product in our reloading process that dosnt cost the earth. Ive got a gas annealer and it works great. Little more fiddly but results are excellent. I bought one of his loading blocks and its the best block I've ever owned. Australia
Thanks for the promo code! Just ordered it! I’ve been using a socket and cordless impact to do mine and this video showed me I can be more consistent with this EP Annealer.
Saved almost $12 with the coupon code, on top of Black Friday savings. Free shipping too. I couldn't find anyone that had anything especially bad to say about the EP annealer, and most of the flame annealers seem to be mostly the same in operation and results.
Thanks John. I finally pulled the trigger in ordering my annealer. For the price and what I’m getting I can’t believe I didn’t order it sooner. I’m looking forward on this next journey into hand loading.
I have dealt with Tod from EP, super good to deal with. I sent him some 17 🐝 brass to see if it would work, which it did. He gave me a coupon and the annealer works great. I don’t anneal because I cant see a difference on target, but I do anneal to save from getting split necks on thin neck cartridges. Thanks for the review.
I just ordered this EP annealer a day before your video came out. And I knew this annealer would be a good addition to my reloading set up. I was using a propane torch and socket, but after bushing sizing my brass and firing my reloads. I have noticed that my fired brass necks measurements varied as much as much as .005 between each piece of brass. Hopefully with a more consistent flame and timing heat the neck measurements will be more consistent now.
I would have bought Todd’s EP annealer but having it shipped to Australia is cost prohibitive so I choose a similar annealer made in Australia called the Ugly annealer that does the job well.
I have the Ugly Annealer, I love it, this ones cool too. I also own the EP brass holders, the one made of stainless thats adjustable! I freakin love that thing, I will be buried with it is so bad ass 😭
Well I’ve been looking at an annealer for a while I’m getting tired of burning my fingers or using a drill and well you sold me on this one I really like how it’s made and looks very simple to use and it’s not big so can’t wait till it arrives thanks again John keep up the good work
I really like my EP 2.0 annealer. I think that bracket for the propane torch is my least favorite thing about it, once I find a way to get the torch to the right height for my brass its all good.
i started with this, but the movable flame torch design is definitely faster and easier when going from different case size to case size. there is a reason why it isn't mounted = fast and easy. I've been down this road before.
I'll just say with my annealeez I can't anneal my 30-06 cases. 223/308 is fine, but 30-06 is too long and sometimes just drops from the wheels that holds it while spinning. Could just be my unit. YMMV
@@Quicks1lvr i have not had issues like that and I do up to 338 lapua. They make several different wheels to use. I assume that your just using the standard ones that come with the unit
G'day people im kinda new to the scene, what does this process do to the brass and why do we need to do it, thanks in advance for any replys cheers Yogi 👍
I like the adjustability of that unit. Just got into reloading. I'm getting inconsistent full length resizing at the shoulder using a headspace comparator so I'm going to try annealing. Limited in canada so looks like I'll be getting the ags v3 annealer
tempilaq is your friend... ( use 650 for neck down past the shoulder and down the body far enough to see where 650 stops, then 400 for the case body up to shoulder so I can see exacting how far down 400 is on the body. annealing starts at about 490 so you never want to get close to that anywhere near the case head and thus why 400 really helps you know exactly where that is). I use an AGS, but really any of these that work well is good for those of us that can't justify induction.
i actually started with a "hopper style" annealer... hopper doesn't make it faster from start to finish... hopper or no hopper, if it takes, for example, 5 seconds to anneal XYZ casing, then it still takes 5 seconds per anneal with a hopper or no hopper.. it's not like you can walk away from a flame based annealer and go mow the lawn type thing while the machine is running regardless of the annealer. especially if you reload in 200pcs or less per reloading session. by the time i swap out parts and load up a hopper, i'm already 1/4 of the way into annealing with the EP annealer (don't need to swap out parts) = why a hopper was never added... if you need to pick up the brass and orientate the brass to load it into a hopper or single feed fence = IMO it doesn't matter especially if you reload in 100pcs or less.. 100 pcs x ~5 to ~6 seconds for typical casing with single torch = 550 seconds / 60 seconds = about 9 to 10 minutes per 100pcs = drop in the bucket in the reloading world time clock. JS
It looks similar to my home built annealer (using parts from an old microwave). My home built does not have a variable speed time adjustment thou... I adjust the heat of the flame... For my next home built annealer I am looking at the GinaErick annealer... designs can be found in the AccurateShooter forum...
I made a homemade annealer using table top drill press and torch. Some will say results are inconsistent. My son shot HM in FTR at 1,000 yards couple matches ago and shot the highest score overall in F class. I'm convinced flame annealing works if done right.
Excellent video on your walk through of this brand of annealer! Your description of process using the EP Brass annealer was spot on I would say and very professional. What is your estimate of number of rounds out a 1 lb., propane tank? Thanks
Just for poops and giggles in my earlier years of loading I put a win large rifle magnum primer on my anvil vice in the "armory" and wacked it with 2lb hammer just to see how "explosive" it was, actually took 2 hits but that second one made my ears ring
I prefer the "ugly annealer" you fill the hopper and then it goes on it's merry way. The burner is fixed and you can do hundreds of cases per hour. Costs just a wee bit more
@@jaymiller393 I have the UA. It doesn't take very long to load it up. Feeding single cases takes WAY more of your time. Unless you're not processing very many. If you're feeding 10 through it then it probably doesn't matter.
That's a nice machine. Another question lol what's a good level that will attach to the pick rail under the scope or somewhere?. I use a piece of florescent string in a tree with a weight tied to it for the scope. I feel there's some inaccuracy in the bubble levels. Just looking for something more precise so the scope track's 100% true up and down.
I’ve been doing the drill and socket method for a long time John. But after a while, it starts to hurt my wrist holding that drill up in the air for long periods of time. Welcome to getting old. Seeing your video and just how easy this is I think you’ve made a believer out of me. Thanks for showing us this and thanks to you for the coupon code. It’s much appreciated
You have a chap called Mr. Longrange who intorduced this method to the world and Skippy who develpoed it into a workable machine. Neither are American.
If you can see it glow, it's already too hot. It begins to glow at ~950° but proper annealing shouldn't exceed 800° for risk of compromising the brass integrity.
John,do you know anyone that uses a flame annealer that has had their brass hardness tested before and after to see how accurate it actually is ,opposed to an induction annealer(amp)?
I wouldnt trade my AMP Annealer for anything, but when I anneal its usually 500 rounds at a time. I use to flame anneal which does work, but is not even close to being as consistent. The Aztec mode on my Mark 2 is so cool and fast, and gives a precise anneal code for different lots of brass, a feature that makes the AMP worth the investment.
Being an AMP owner and a former flame annealer, I can tell you what you are paying for in an AMP is time and convenience. It takes way to long to set up and dial in a flame annealer each and ever time.
John forgot to mention do not use this device on loaded ammo!
You are not serious are you?
Why not? DUH!!!!!!!
Really? John most likely assumed that any body with enough sense to reload would have enough brains to use the annealer on empty brass. Hence the term RELOADING!!!! He shouldn’t need to hold your hand like a toddler
Are you a O H A S officer they state the obvious
They’re probably only going to do it once. 😂😂😂
After considerable time spent reading, watching videos, and thinking about which annealer I wanted to get I bought the EP 2.0. It's a great, inexpensive unit that meets my needs. I thought the little cake pan was a nice touch so I baked a batch of brownies in it.
I have one and love it. Excellent annealer and simple to use.
Thank you , I got one thanks to you. Also with the discount. Very happy with it.
Just ordered one!
I just received mine and it looks like a quality annealer for the price! Thanks for the discount code....
I've had this exact unit for 2 years now. Works perfectly for the different cartridges I anneal. Learning curve is very short and results are very repeatable.
100%!
I've had the EP annealer for just over a year and for me it's perfect. I don't load high volumes of brass so having a "magazine" full of brass isn't a huge deal. Annealing 200 to 300 cases doesn't take as long as you might think.
I adjust the rpm so each case spends between 7 and 8 seconds in the flame. I anneal 30-06, 308 Winchester, 7mm-08, 243 Winchester, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.8 SPC, 223 Remington, and 300 Blackout.
The unit itself is well made and when I picked it up I was surprised at it's weight for such a small unit.
Thanks John!
My pleasure and glad you like yours. And yes, It's a very stout little unit.
Thanks for showing this option.
Man that's nice! Great video again John!
I’ve used a EP annealer for a year & it does a great job.
I anneal my 6PPC, 30BR, & 17 Ackley Hornet, so it works well with shorter cases.
I had been unable to make a decision until I saw this video. Ordered it last week. Used the promo code. Received it today. These days it’s getting harder and harder to find something that works as advertised, but this did. Setup was a snap. Have already annealed 100 cases. Thank you for your content. Extremely helpful.
that's awesome! :)
I wanted more pans so I could keep batches together. Dollar Tree is where he buys his. I grabbed 3 more! Nice unit.
Ordered before I even finished the video. Exactly what I needed, I want to anneal but not bad enough to buy the induction style. Thank you!
Thanks for showing this option. I went with the Ugly Annealer since I can load up a bunch of brass and not feed each one. I still monitor the process and adjust speed/flame but not having to feed each case was the way to go for me.
I have an Aneeleez. I run 500 cases of 5.56 at a time, and use a few pieces of range pick to test the temperature using 750F Tempilaq. It doesn’t turn red at that temperature.
Hey john hats off to ya mate. Its nice to see someone promote a product in our reloading process that dosnt cost the earth. Ive got a gas annealer and it works great. Little more fiddly but results are excellent. I bought one of his loading blocks and its the best block I've ever owned.
Australia
Thank you
Thanks for the promo code! Just ordered it! I’ve been using a socket and cordless impact to do mine and this video showed me I can be more consistent with this EP Annealer.
Saved almost $12 with the coupon code, on top of Black Friday savings. Free shipping too.
I couldn't find anyone that had anything especially bad to say about the EP annealer, and most of the flame annealers seem to be mostly the same in operation and results.
Thanks John. I finally pulled the trigger in ordering my annealer. For the price and what I’m getting I can’t believe I didn’t order it sooner. I’m looking forward on this next journey into hand loading.
I love mine
Love my EP Annealer, very easy to use and set up. Great video John
Thank you, I'm glad you like it.
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I just placed an order for one of these using your code. Thanks. Also grabbed me some small primer pocket 6.5 creedmoor cases.
Nice!!
I have dealt with Tod from EP, super good to deal with. I sent him some 17 🐝 brass to see if it would work, which it did. He gave me a coupon and the annealer works great. I don’t anneal because I cant see a difference on target, but I do anneal to save from getting split necks on thin neck cartridges. Thanks for the review.
That’s great to hear.
I have one and LOVE it
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Love my EP Annealer.
Just got mine yesterday!!!
Awesome!
I just ordered this EP annealer a day before your video came out. And I knew this annealer would be a good addition to my reloading set up. I was using a propane torch and socket, but after bushing sizing my brass and firing my reloads. I have noticed that my fired brass necks measurements varied as much as much as .005 between each piece of brass. Hopefully with a more consistent flame and timing heat the neck measurements will be more consistent now.
And thank you for the video, F- Class John as each video like this gives one a better look at the operation of this E P annealer.
Thank you and glad it helps.
I would have bought Todd’s EP annealer but having it shipped to Australia is cost prohibitive so I choose a similar annealer made in Australia called the Ugly annealer that does the job well.
I have the Ugly Annealer, I love it, this ones cool too.
I also own the EP brass holders, the one made of stainless thats adjustable!
I freakin love that thing, I will be buried with it is so bad ass 😭
love it! :)
Well I’ve been looking at an annealer for a while I’m getting tired of burning my fingers or using a drill and well you sold me on this one I really like how it’s made and looks very simple to use and it’s not big so can’t wait till it arrives thanks again John keep up the good work
Thank you and hope it fits your needs when it arrives.
I really like my EP 2.0 annealer. I think that bracket for the propane torch is my least favorite thing about it, once I find a way to get the torch to the right height for my brass its all good.
i started with this, but the movable flame torch design is definitely faster and easier when going from different case size to case size. there is a reason why it isn't mounted = fast and easy. I've been down this road before.
Would love a comparison between this and the annealeez
I'll just say with my annealeez I can't anneal my 30-06 cases. 223/308 is fine, but 30-06 is too long and sometimes just drops from the wheels that holds it while spinning. Could just be my unit. YMMV
@@Quicks1lvr i have not had issues like that and I do up to 338 lapua. They make several different wheels to use. I assume that your just using the standard ones that come with the unit
@@albobarhop The wheels that come with the kit state it should work with 30-06, but it seems like I may need the larger ones.
Love the fact you don't need to swap parts out with the EP. Just so simple to use and fast going from different case sizes
Fantastic video 👍
The Burstfire annealer is a good option.
How do you like the Burstfire? That's the way I was leaning but haven't pulled the trigger yet
@@DanielReyes-hz1qk I don't have it myself yet. Every time I have money, I buy more primers instead lol.
Thanks John. Good information, I couldn't figure out what to get but this looks practical so I ordered one.
G'day people im kinda new to the scene, what does this process do to the brass and why do we need to do it, thanks in advance for any replys cheers Yogi 👍
Thanks John... I've been holding off off ordering one of these for a while, but the sale and your code makes it hard to pass up.
Glad it was helpful
I got the annealeaz and the brass does not rotate
So….I’m trying to find something that can still keep the annealing consistent
I like the adjustability of that unit. Just got into reloading. I'm getting inconsistent full length resizing at the shoulder using a headspace comparator so I'm going to try annealing. Limited in canada so looks like I'll be getting the ags v3 annealer
EP Integrations ships to Canada as well!
EP is sooooo easy to use and fast to adjust. Love mine
tempilaq is your friend... ( use 650 for neck down past the shoulder and down the body far enough to see where 650 stops, then 400 for the case body up to shoulder so I can see exacting how far down 400 is on the body. annealing starts at about 490 so you never want to get close to that anywhere near the case head and thus why 400 really helps you know exactly where that is). I use an AGS, but really any of these that work well is good for those of us that can't justify induction.
Good video and a great price. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I like the price, but I wish it would hold more cases. That is the only thing holding me back on buying it
i actually started with a "hopper style" annealer... hopper doesn't make it faster from start to finish... hopper or no hopper, if it takes, for example, 5 seconds to anneal XYZ casing, then it still takes 5 seconds per anneal with a hopper or no hopper.. it's not like you can walk away from a flame based annealer and go mow the lawn type thing while the machine is running regardless of the annealer. especially if you reload in 200pcs or less per reloading session. by the time i swap out parts and load up a hopper, i'm already 1/4 of the way into annealing with the EP annealer (don't need to swap out parts) = why a hopper was never added... if you need to pick up the brass and orientate the brass to load it into a hopper or single feed fence = IMO it doesn't matter especially if you reload in 100pcs or less.. 100 pcs x ~5 to ~6 seconds for typical casing with single torch = 550 seconds / 60 seconds = about 9 to 10 minutes per 100pcs = drop in the bucket in the reloading world time clock. JS
Look at the Burstfire gen 2.
It looks similar to my home built annealer (using parts from an old microwave). My home built does not have a variable speed time adjustment thou... I adjust the heat of the flame...
For my next home built annealer I am looking at the GinaErick annealer... designs can be found in the AccurateShooter forum...
I made a homemade annealer using table top drill press and torch. Some will say results are inconsistent. My son shot HM in FTR at 1,000 yards couple matches ago and shot the highest score overall in F class. I'm convinced flame annealing works if done right.
Excellent video on your walk through of this brand of annealer! Your description of process using the EP Brass annealer was spot on I would say and very professional.
What is your estimate of number of rounds out a 1 lb., propane tank?
Thanks
Thank you for the kind words. As for the number of brass on a tank I honestly don’t know, I’m sorry.
Thank you John. Always informative
Thanks for watching!
I think it’s hard to beat for the price. The guessing game on the right annealing temp is what I don’t like.
Fantastic 👍 video!! ❤
Just for poops and giggles in my earlier years of loading I put a win large rifle magnum primer on my anvil vice in the "armory" and wacked it with 2lb hammer just to see how "explosive" it was, actually took 2 hits but that second one made my ears ring
I prefer the "ugly annealer" you fill the hopper and then it goes on it's merry way. The burner is fixed and you can do hundreds of cases per hour. Costs just a wee bit more
Can do the same per hour with this one. The time you use loading hopper you’re dropping brass in the EP and you’re done before hopper method. Js
@@jaymiller393 I have the UA. It doesn't take very long to load it up. Feeding single cases takes WAY more of your time. Unless you're not processing very many. If you're feeding 10 through it then it probably doesn't matter.
Just past the blue is the hottest part of the flame. The blue is the cold gas from the tank
Water in The Drop Pan or Not...Just Askin'...
Never tried and don't anyone personally who does it. Sorry.
Don't bother. With annealing, quenching will have zero effect on the brass, so don't bother making the mess and creating more work for yourself.
No need. It doesn't hurt if you do, as brass in non-ferrous, but then you have to spend the time DRYING the cases. Better to just let them air cool
Don't need to drop in water
I still prefer anealeez simply because I don’t have to feed each piece of brass, I can throw about 50 pieces on it and let it run
Do the Cases need to be Sized/Trimmed begore Annealing?
I size and trim after annealing
That's a nice machine. Another question lol what's a good level that will attach to the pick rail under the scope or somewhere?. I use a piece of florescent string in a tree with a weight tied to it for the scope. I feel there's some inaccuracy in the bubble levels. Just looking for something more precise so the scope track's 100% true up and down.
For me I want a quality level so I use this company amzn.to/3Jzwj5D (flatline-ops) but this amzn.to/44lON1e is another quality one.
How long can I store annealed brass in a plastic coffee can?
I’ve been doing the drill
and socket method for a long time John. But after a while, it starts to hurt my wrist holding that drill up in the air for long periods of time. Welcome to getting old. Seeing your video and just how easy this is I think you’ve made a believer out of me. Thanks for showing us this and thanks to you for the coupon code. It’s much appreciated
Glad it helped.
Love the video and I'll see if I can get this unit sent to australia. Just one question . Do you anneal before or after you've resized brass.
My understanding is to anneal before sizing, this is to make the brass more pliable for the sizing process.
well you just sold another one lol
approx. how many cases before that bar heats up to much ?
I have an EP and it's not an issue. I've done well over 1,000 in a sitting. It really is the KISS of flame based annealers.
@@besillysometimes4754 very good !
Hurray for American ingenuity.
You have a chap called Mr. Longrange who intorduced this method to the world and Skippy who develpoed it into a workable machine. Neither are American.
If you can see it glow, it's already too hot. It begins to glow at ~950° but proper annealing shouldn't exceed 800° for risk of compromising the brass integrity.
John,do you know anyone that uses a flame annealer that has had their brass hardness tested before and after to see how accurate it actually is ,opposed to an induction annealer(amp)?
Honestly no.
@FClassJohn that EP looks well engineered and good quality.
I don't understand why people aren't using infrared temp guns to dial in time/temp setup. They're pretty cheap these days.
10 sec in, YES
I wouldnt trade my AMP Annealer for anything, but when I anneal its usually 500 rounds at a time. I use to flame anneal which does work, but is not even close to being as consistent. The Aztec mode on my Mark 2 is so cool and fast, and gives a precise anneal code for different lots of brass, a feature that makes the AMP worth the investment.
KISS.
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Should drop into water to stop the process, or the hole case will be soft, and you don't want that
most i know including myself never drop into water when using a flame based annealer. just not necessary IMO.
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TEMPILAQ
Anyone??????
Being an AMP owner and a former flame annealer, I can tell you what you are paying for in an AMP is time and convenience. It takes way to long to set up and dial in a flame annealer each and ever time.
Cheap crap lol
And it works perfectly and repeatable, lol