I own both and would highly recommend the Explorer as an everyday watch. 36mm is the perfect size as it flies under the radar. I have a 7.25 inch wrist and wear 36mm watch with no issues. Traditional gents watch for less money and more available than the Sub.
yep. I have a 7.75in wrist and love mine. I thought it was a hair small after wearing mostly 42mm divers but I got used to it and now it is my favorite watch and the size I was so worried about is its best asset. It slides under my cuff and doesnt get hung up on a jacket, seatbelt or backpack strap. I dont have to think about it.
All about preference. I just bought the new 40mm for my 6.75 in wrist and it looks incredible. I found the new 36mm model far too dainty. The dial was fine I guess but the 19mm bracelet tapered down to 14mm felt and looked silly to me.
The Sub all the way, the most versatile, iconic, and masculine of all Rolex watches. The explorer is too bland, 36mm is more of a large ladies watch. The 39mm explorer just doesn't make my toes tingle.
Perfect summary of the two. I've had an Explorer for a little over a year now, & just recently added a submariner to my collection, & you're absolutely right about the sub being. little too much when you're wearing a suit, whereas the Explorer can do it all. One other point to consider with the Sub is that sadly its iconic design can be quite an attraction to thieves, so I tend not to wear it when I'm out and about in town. Personally I'm considering adding a G-Shock to my collection for those situations.
Yes completely agree....that's why I'm happy to wear my Explorer anywhere.....my other watch for when I might be out doing heavy manual stuff is a Titanium G-Shock ... Full Metal Black Titanium Ref. GMW B5000TB-01. That watch (before I got the Rolex) I wore for 24/7 for 2 years and it's basically bullet proof...!!...radio controlled and solar powered .
How sad that your afraid to wear a premium watch in London. I'm glad, I live in Florida where you can wear what ever you like and not be fearful. I would not bother other wearing a watch " that you need to fly under the radar with." The explorer is just meh. The 116610ln is the quintessential masculine mens watch.
@@rafaeloliva6425 Each to their own I guess. My sub still gets plenty of wear, I just choose when and where to avoid the more obvious risks. Also, on the plus side, I’m glad I don’t feel the need to assert my masculinity on TH-cam comments, so at least I’ve got that going for me.
I own a Sub (green bezel) and a 36 mm Explorer. For every day use, I prefer the Explorer. It is a pleasure to wear and fits every occasion. Every time I wear my Sub, it gets noticed. The Explorer never gets noticed.
@@mazrashid6549 Thanks. I also have a black dial Datejust - that was my first Rolex. And I have a green dial OP 36 - that is my favorite Rolex. I highly recommend the green bezel Sub - it is a fantastic watch. I've been wearing my Sub daily for the last three weeks and really enjoying it. Cheers!
I’d definitely go Explorer. It’s the perfect size, understated, and under the radar of most people. I can’t afford one, but I have a Tudor Black Bay 36, which ticks very similar boxes - I’d be worried to wear a sub when I’m out and about, given the rise in watch thefts.
Having a 16610 Submariner and then buying a 124270 Explorer I found the latter a little underwhelming initially. However the Explorer’s sheer versatility just gets to you and it’s pretty much my daily wear. Only watch you really need in my humble opinion so would be my choice as well.
Ash, I was fortunate enough to purchase the Explorer from my AD just after release. I was unsure of the 36 size having been used to larger watches, but after a few months just was not comfortable with the size and subsequently sold it. It is a great watch but unfortunately not for me. I am on the wait list for the no date sub and hope to purchase one before I reach 70. I am 65 at present. Throughly enjoy your content which is refreshing and honest unlike some other watch channels. Take care from one retired officer to another
Just make sure you can handle the 36mm first and no date. Was too small for me when I tried it. 39mm BB58 black gold colour is worth a look or Omega Aquaterra too, for sport work dual useage. Speedy can do both quite nicely too 😉 Just got my Sub date after a 2.5 year wait. Definitely worth it.
Just got both, after the relase of Explorer 40. One for daily wearing in a low profile and modest lifestyle, one for weekend and holiday with something iconic and speical.
Great video. The sub has never appealed to me. I thought for sure I would get a 39 explorer, but when I tried it on I hated it. For whatever reason the explorer just works great in 36, a size I’d normally say is too small
This year is the 70th anniversary of the explorer...and on Monday rolex is announcing its new releases..I cant wait to see what special commeratiive edition or new variant of the explorer is released...I dare say bark may wish to have a look at this come Monday
I would recommend getting both but the Explorer first for its versatility. Prefer the new Explorer (124270) and the 14060M sub. Classics. As someone else pointed out, the Tudor BB36 is also a great watch, and an alternative to the Explorer if you can't come to terms with the taper on the bracelet.
@@SaintWill70 By versatility I'm referring to the variety of occasions it can be worn. I've worn mine on long, remote hikes in difficult conditions but also with a suit to the opera. It worked great for both.
Having a 6.25 wrist, I opted for an Explorer for it's size and versatility, not to mention it being so elegant. I had the choice of getting a Sub but found it a bit too large for my wrist especially the long clasp. Also have a BB58 which I think offers a ton of value and fills the divers itch. Hard to believe the Tudor is my most comfortable watch perhaps because of the female end links.
Thanks Ash! I think its the Explorer for me. Being in a service facing industry I think the stealth of the Explorer is a trait I could probably benefit from - and the point about versatility as it will be the only watch in my collection for some time.
Ash, I own both too albeit the Explorer is the Steel/Yellow Gold 124273 model and even though I really like the Submariner I prefer the Explorer also. Great video I really enjoyed the comparison.
I'm lucky enough to own both and they each have their place and situational strengths ... For the young man in question, as a solution to his one watch requirements, I agree with your choice ... The explorer in this case for him.
I had exactly the same dilemma 26 years ago and I ended up with the Explorer .Would I make the same choice today?Any day of the week 👍🤩The Explorer is the only one and done of their catalog.😤💪
As an owner of an Explorer 39mm and a Sub Date 40mm supercase i would make the same choice, i stay with the explorer!! The only watch you need, by far the watch most wrist times takes in my collection
I wear Explorer 1 on NATO strap inside my 7.5 inch wrist. It’s a go anywhere and do anything watch. Diver style watches including GMT’s looks little too noticeable and flashy to my taste for everyday wear.
Great video Ash. Would love to see you do a video on the Submariner Date VS No Date. The aged old question that constantly divides & offers a great debate.
@@iamnew7545 Does a date window belong on a dive watch, why is the date version more popular than the no date, iconic Rolex design with the cyclops. And so it goes...
You know there are other watch brands mr Chaps right?;) get yourself a nice Timex! The amount of times your outdoors I also think a GShock is in order!!!!??? Possibly a Mudmaster?!;)
I do prefer to wear my watches as they are intended, so they get a good bashing regardless of the brand. But I have a special soft spot for Lorus for any suicide missions.
I really enjoyed the video. I did expect you to choose the Explorer, mainly because of the size and versatility. I myself am still on my journey towards my goal of owning my first Rolex. My choice is the Submariner 124060. I visited my local A.D. again yesterday and we had a nice conversation about the different options.
Flexible, versatile, universally wearable, rough and rugged, iconic, beautiful, classically elegant, the original bond watch.. Explorer 1 36mm. I LOVE THIS WATCH ♥ (7-inch wrist)
Excellent summary Ash. I own both models as well and wear my Explorer 1 - 90% of the time. The Sub is also very blingy and does attract attention. The comfort on wrist and light weight case make the Explorer 1 unbeatable for me. If I could only own 1 watch it would be my Explorer 1.
I have the Explorer 124270, and I adore it! I would one day like to own the Submariner 126060. I think that would make the perfect two watch collection.
I just got the call last week from my AD for the explorer. It took 18 months from going on the list with no purchase history. I don’t know how true this is but the AD said the people above me pulled out because of the cost of living. Maybe I got lucky 🤷🏾♂️
And with the Watch price crash over the last year, there is more availability at the AD because alot of Rolexs sell close to retail in the grey market now, and the flippers aren't buying them
I’ve had 3 Rolex’s offered to me by ADs in the past 2 week which has been quite a surprise! However, they are all within the waiting range that the ADs mentioned in the beginning - 2 years+ for the subs and 9-12 months for the datejust.
Confession time, I used to do a lot of Scuba Diving and 10 years ago when I retired from the Met I bought a no date Sub. It is my go to watch and I would buy it again. While I do like the look of the Explorer, if I ever buy another Rolex it will be a Pepsi GMT.
@@SteveMrW - thanks, makes sense. You must have got the ceramic bezel version as just came out then. Am I right in that, the no date is more iconic as the first submariners were without the date , as was the model James Bond wore? Cheers
@@rezar6894 I believe the original Bond watch was a 5513 (no winder protection). Although I bought my watch 10 years ago it was as new and not new, it does not have a ceramic bezel insert.
As far as Rolex or any other high-end brand goes, it's best to buy them second hand, preferably through private sales. As stated below, one can even buy a Tudor for even less outlay. The watches one finds this way are usually incredibly well kept... And we can skip the markup from professional watch dealers. Also... My personal opinion is that the Rolex Explorer is a much more versatile timepiece.... And the more elegant of the two. Cheers
If you can find them cheaper pre-owned then do it. Good luck finding a pre-owned ceramic Sub cheaper then list price… a 36mm Explorer maybe… as not as sought after. 👍🇬🇧
Whilst I like the EX 39 (the only one my wrists could possibly use because the 36mm is more like 35.5mm and is way too small for many men), the bezel being steel would get scratched to high heaven if I wore it as a beater, so while I do like its simple classy looks, I would purchase the sub definitely. The ceramic bezel will last way longer and look "new" for much longer. But I think the new sub releases should have a third colour to add more variety to the dial (like a red etc), it's a bit boring now in just black when the watch is basically the worlds number 1 homage watch.
I have an op39, iwc 39mm chrono spitfire and orient ray ii as a beater/daily... I find the sub too boring a.k.a. safe.. Tried on the 43.5mm black titanium/ ceramic seamaster and was blown away..🤯 Finding more and more reasons not to go with the sub for the next purchase other than resale value.. Buying what you like is soo true for me
Hi Ash, loving the comparison video's. I have the dilemma of these 2 watches at the moment, and your video's are helping a lot. The explorer 1 suits my understated personality more than the sub, but every time I see the sub, I can't stop looking!
From a style standpoint, there is only one choice: Submariner. It goes well with any clothes and activity. I wear mine on the golf course, I wear mine working outside, I've even worn mine with a tuxedo.
Review is well done. However, I'd have compared the 39 or 40 Explorer to the Sub, rather than the 36 Explorer, to make the comparison more apples and oranges rather than apples and grapes...when speaking of size or wrist presence. I have the 39 Explorer and a neo-vintage 40mm Pepsi GMT-Master (which, of course, parallels the 40mm Sub, size-wise), and I find the look and feel of the two to be quite distinct though equally pleasing to the eye and equally comfortable on the wrist. The two make for a versatile Rolex mini-collection, with the GMT on the more sporty side and the Explorer, despite its 'tooliness', on the more casual, business-suit, even dressy side.
Hey Bark, buy your self a Tudor Black Bay AND a Tudor Ranger. Number 1 - you can buy them TODAY. Number two - you can take them on the very nice weekend in Paris you'll have with the two thousand dollars in your pocket from not buying a Roller.
If the Explorer was still a 39mm I might agree, however I think that 36mm is too small for most gents. I’d steer him towards a 41mm DateJust with the black dial with batons, smooth bezel and Oyster bracelet… or a black OP41. Or wait until W&W on Monday… there could be a new Explorer 1 release to savour? 👍🇬🇧 For my money a No-date Sub all day long… iconic.
Ash, given the choice between these two excellent watches, I would gravitate towards the Explorer - but it would have to be the 39mm variant as in my opinion 36mm is just a tad too small for me.
Class & style means 36 mm as the 36mm Explorer remains the only true Rolex unchanged for almost 70 years ! The Rolex engraved rehaut is a " no no " for many, so take a look at pre-2oo6 Explorer & Submariner... true old skool look !
I'd suggest buying sterile dial versions of both of them. Each would cost about USD100. U can then feel the weight of them on your wrist, whether it would fit under your shirt cuff, etc. One would then be able to make a better choice.
I personally don’t like the way Sub looks and the clasp/bracelet is overgrown for the current iteration. 116610LN is king. I’d take the Explorer. Actually that’s a lie - I’d want a date so I’d get a Datejust.
I own both of these like many others commenting and there is definitely a place for both in a collection, they both serve different purposes. As a daily wear, 100% the 36mm explorer. It's much lighter than the sub (around 119g vs 150g); the 40mm explorer has less purpose in my opinion as it is heavier and is a similar size to the other rolex models. The 36mm and has a slimmer bracelet compared with the submariner and slightly lower profile case, meaning it is comfortable for daily wear, to the point you forget you're wearing it. It is more discreet, easily slides under the cuff and flies under the radar. The submariner is a great alternative to the daily watch, ideal for gym & sports incl. swimming, meetings, holidays & social occasions where the extra weight and extra attention isn't an issue. I disagree that the submariner can't be worn formally, the same goes for the GMT, they are iconic and classy. Bond often seen wearing the submariner formally in the movies. A stainless-steel 5711 is also a dive watch and can be worn formally, however, I think the design and size & thickness does have a part to play as the Omega Ploprof or Sea-Dweller Deep Sea would be unsuitable. The ceramic bezel, polished sides on the case, bracelet & bezel grip and white gold hands & hour markers helps the sub wear well formally wear. I would typically choose a precious metal day-date or daytona for formal occasions though as they will do this better. If I was buying just one, I would go for the 124270 explorer if it was to be worn daily, and the no-date submariner if it was being worn a few days a week/occasionally then get the explorer later.
Both great. But I could not disagree more. The sub wears fine with suits. Heck people now wear sneakers with suits or smart watches..even formal is more casual. The sub is also fine for every occassion. Although I have the sub, I am interested in 36mm Explorer. With all the crime, I would like something that flies under the radar. Just hard to find them new.
two handsome ROLEX wrist watches . I have the submariner/ date . I think the 'cyclops' - is''ROLEX'' . - either way , you can't lose. stay safe ~ JDS/CT
As a thought exercise it would be interesting to go back in time to when mid 30s millimetres sizing was the norm and present a 40mm or larger watch for consideration. I suspect there would be a fair amount of amusement with comments such as - "clown's watch" - "you look like a child wearing their Father's watch" - etc. It's just perception, as is much of anything really.
The 39/40 mm Explorer is a nearer comparison to the Submariner in this video as it is a similar size. The Sub is a more robust watch with its ceramic bezel and crown guard protection.
When I was a young man the Submariner was the watch I wanted but couldn't afford, nor find, as the internet didn't exist. That being said, the Explorer I is more me.
@@HelloMrGold nahh.. Not my cup of tea... Actually I prefer the black bay 36mm if I'd have to choose between the Explorer and the BB36... But for this particular comparison, I'd go with the Submariner as a one watch collection, for sure!
Mr pedantic will say: there is the Explorer 36, there was the Explorer 39, and just announced, the Explorer 40. There is no such thing as the Explorer 1 😂
I don't think it was ever called Explorer 1 per se, But there is an Explorer 2. So technically it's kind of like Explorer and Explorer 2, But that just sounds silly, so people call it Explorer 1. My 40mm Explorer (1) should arrive this week!
I live in Missouri, where there’s no ocean, and around here when someone wears a dive watch he looks a bit pretentious. So in choosing between these two take into account where you live and what you do for a hobby. As regards the Bond connection - he’s a former navy commander and does a lot of diving in the books, so it actually fits his job. In any case, a dive watch isn’t really all that necessary even for a diver; it’s a mere convenience. No diver with any brains would go below 100 feet for fear of “the bends,” and if you can’t tell how much air you have in your tank by looking at an Explorer then you’re too stupid to be trusted as a diving partner. Finally, I suspect that a real spy would go for the Explorer as a daily driver anyway. I can imagine SMERSH assassins being told “Be on the lookout for some guy wearing the flashiest watch available. It’s probably Bond. James Bond.”
@@rezar6894 i also think the new versions of the subs are horrible, the previous maxi/large cases were amazing, now they looked slimmed down, like horrible seiko's. thankfully all the GMT's still have the maxi cases, look so much better
Very well presented. Understand that from a grammatical perspective, Rolex is a company. So, any verbs associated with a single company need to be in the singular, not the plural. Quite often, people use the plural form because a single company is often made up of many people. Carry on!
Neither. I can't justify that kind of money for a watch. I know millions of people can. Both would be part of my 4 watch collection if my net worth was 20 or 30 million dollars. along with an H. Moser for the rare occasion when I "dress up" and a Stowa or Laco Flieger. I'm a simple guy. And let's be honest, people wear Rolex because they say Rolex on them. If you like stealthy, get a Smith's Everest.
I have the same dilemma and totally agree with you, the Explorer seems so much more versatile. In reality the submariner may not fit under the cuff. The Explorer is perfect one watch collection 👌🏽
Love both watches but the Explorer has been my favourite watch for about 20 years. A true 1 watch collection due to its versatility with straps alone, black, brown leather, steel, rubber, Nato. They all look good on it. Not many watches look at home while hiking, sailing and mountaineering (Designed for it) but also look just as at home with a Suit or Tux. Because before Rolex became the no1 (arguably) status symbol for success during the 80's (It was the 80's power icon), it was the G-Shock sports watch for 40 years beforehand. Explorer for me, hopefully in the near future. The only real decision would be 36mm or 39mm, as I nearly have an 8" wrist, 39mm might be the better option but the 36mm just looks better.
The Sub with Ceramic bezel has the edge over time, the Explorer (my favourite watch) will be battered by scratches... but the Sub will maintain it's black glittering lustre for a lifetime
I sold my Sub. Now I have a Cartier Santos, an Omega Speedmaster reverse panda and my beloved Explorer. If I only could have one watch , the Explorer would be my choice.
I own both and would highly recommend the Explorer as an everyday watch. 36mm is the perfect size as it flies under the radar. I have a 7.25 inch wrist and wear 36mm watch with no issues. Traditional gents watch for less money and more available than the Sub.
Yeah its a everyday watch, really hoping they bump back to 39mm and/or white dial.
36mm fits perfectly on my 7.5 inch wrist
yep. I have a 7.75in wrist and love mine. I thought it was a hair small after wearing mostly 42mm divers but I got used to it and now it is my favorite watch and the size I was so worried about is its best asset. It slides under my cuff and doesnt get hung up on a jacket, seatbelt or backpack strap. I dont have to think about it.
All about preference. I just bought the new 40mm for my 6.75 in wrist and it looks incredible. I found the new 36mm model far too dainty. The dial was fine I guess but the 19mm bracelet tapered down to 14mm felt and looked silly to me.
The Sub all the way, the most versatile, iconic, and masculine of all Rolex watches.
The explorer is too bland, 36mm is more of a large ladies watch. The 39mm explorer just doesn't make my toes tingle.
Perfect summary of the two. I've had an Explorer for a little over a year now, & just recently added a submariner to my collection, & you're absolutely right about the sub being. little too much when you're wearing a suit, whereas the Explorer can do it all. One other point to consider with the Sub is that sadly its iconic design can be quite an attraction to thieves, so I tend not to wear it when I'm out and about in town. Personally I'm considering adding a G-Shock to my collection for those situations.
A good call. You can’t go wrong with a CasioOak as a beater… and the Sub for safer situations. Sad situation we have to deal with… but true. 👍🇬🇧
Yes completely agree....that's why I'm happy to wear my Explorer anywhere.....my other watch for when I might be out doing heavy manual stuff is a Titanium G-Shock ... Full Metal Black Titanium Ref. GMW B5000TB-01.
That watch (before I got the Rolex) I wore for 24/7 for 2 years and it's basically bullet proof...!!...radio controlled and solar powered .
Agreed particularly in london, wearing a sub 24/7 is just asking for trouble. The explorer is much stealthier
How sad that your afraid to wear a premium watch in London.
I'm glad, I live in Florida where you can wear what ever you like and not be fearful.
I would not bother other wearing a watch " that you need to fly under the radar with." The explorer is just meh.
The 116610ln is the quintessential masculine mens watch.
@@rafaeloliva6425 Each to their own I guess. My sub still gets plenty of wear, I just choose when and where to avoid the more obvious risks.
Also, on the plus side, I’m glad I don’t feel the need to assert my masculinity on TH-cam comments, so at least I’ve got that going for me.
I own a Sub (green bezel) and a 36 mm Explorer. For every day use, I prefer the Explorer. It is a pleasure to wear and fits every occasion. Every time I wear my Sub, it gets noticed. The Explorer never gets noticed.
Nice combo 👌🏼 I've got an Explorer and a black dial Datejust at the moment. I'm considering adding the green bezel Submariner for a pop of colour 🤔
@@mazrashid6549 Thanks. I also have a black dial Datejust - that was my first Rolex. And I have a green dial OP 36 - that is my favorite Rolex. I highly recommend the green bezel Sub - it is a fantastic watch. I've been wearing my Sub daily for the last three weeks and really enjoying it. Cheers!
I’d definitely go Explorer. It’s the perfect size, understated, and under the radar of most people. I can’t afford one, but I have a Tudor Black Bay 36, which ticks very similar boxes - I’d be worried to wear a sub when I’m out and about, given the rise in watch thefts.
Having a 16610 Submariner and then buying a 124270 Explorer I found the latter a little underwhelming initially. However the Explorer’s sheer versatility just gets to you and it’s pretty much my daily wear. Only watch you really need in my humble opinion so would be my choice as well.
Ash, I was fortunate enough to purchase the Explorer from my AD just after release. I was unsure of the 36 size having been used to larger watches, but after a few months just was not comfortable with the size and subsequently sold it. It is a great watch but unfortunately not for me.
I am on the wait list for the no date sub and hope to purchase one before I reach 70. I am 65 at present.
Throughly enjoy your content which is refreshing and honest unlike some other watch channels.
Take care from one retired officer to another
I would get the submariner... It has more presence, it's elegant and you can time down your cooking! 😊
Just make sure you can handle the 36mm first and no date. Was too small for me when I tried it.
39mm BB58 black gold colour is worth a look or Omega Aquaterra too, for sport work dual useage. Speedy can do both quite nicely too 😉
Just got my Sub date after a 2.5 year wait. Definitely worth it.
Just got both, after the relase of Explorer 40. One for daily wearing in a low profile and modest lifestyle, one for weekend and holiday with something iconic and speical.
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Great video. The sub has never appealed to me. I thought for sure I would get a 39 explorer, but when I tried it on I hated it. For whatever reason the explorer just works great in 36, a size I’d normally say is too small
This year is the 70th anniversary of the explorer...and on Monday rolex is announcing its new releases..I cant wait to see what special commeratiive edition or new variant of the explorer is released...I dare say bark may wish to have a look at this come Monday
It's tough to choose between the world's best field watch and the world's best diver. Great comparison!
Like a lot of people, i got both. The explorer is easier to wear for a everyday watch. For holidays and weekends, i prefer the sub.
I would recommend getting both but the Explorer first for its versatility. Prefer the new Explorer (124270) and the 14060M sub. Classics. As someone else pointed out, the Tudor BB36 is also a great watch, and an alternative to the Explorer if you can't come to terms with the taper on the bracelet.
@@SaintWill70 By versatility I'm referring to the variety of occasions it can be worn. I've worn mine on long, remote hikes in difficult conditions but also with a suit to the opera. It worked great for both.
Having a 6.25 wrist, I opted for an Explorer for it's size and versatility, not to mention it being so elegant. I had the choice of getting a Sub but found it a bit too large for my wrist especially the long clasp. Also have a BB58 which I think offers a ton of value and fills the divers itch. Hard to believe the Tudor is my most comfortable watch perhaps because of the female end links.
Thanks Ash!
I think its the Explorer for me. Being in a service facing industry I think the stealth of the Explorer is a trait I could probably benefit from - and the point about versatility as it will be the only watch in my collection for some time.
Good luck and enjoy!
Ash, I own both too albeit the Explorer is the Steel/Yellow Gold 124273 model and even though I really like the Submariner I prefer the Explorer also. Great video I really enjoyed the comparison.
The 124060 is a nice balance between the classic and the professional Rolex.
Agree. The versatility and comfort of the explorer is unmatched
I'm lucky enough to own both and they each have their place and situational strengths ... For the young man in question, as a solution to his one watch requirements, I agree with your choice ... The explorer in this case for him.
I had exactly the same dilemma 26 years ago and I ended up with the Explorer .Would I make the same choice today?Any day of the week 👍🤩The Explorer is the only one and done of their catalog.😤💪
Absolutely
As an owner of an Explorer 39mm and a Sub Date 40mm supercase i would make the same choice, i stay with the explorer!!
The only watch you need, by far the watch most wrist times takes in my collection
I wear Explorer 1 on NATO strap inside my 7.5 inch wrist. It’s a go anywhere and do anything watch. Diver style watches including GMT’s looks little too noticeable and flashy to my taste for everyday wear.
Great video Ash. Would love to see you do a video on the Submariner Date VS No Date. The aged old question that constantly divides & offers a great debate.
What debate is there? You want the date, get the date version, simple! 😄
@@iamnew7545 Does a date window belong on a dive watch, why is the date version more popular than the no date, iconic Rolex design with the cyclops. And so it goes...
You know there are other watch brands mr Chaps right?;) get yourself a nice Timex! The amount of times your outdoors I also think a GShock is in order!!!!??? Possibly a Mudmaster?!;)
I do prefer to wear my watches as they are intended, so they get a good bashing regardless of the brand. But I have a special soft spot for Lorus for any suicide missions.
@@TheChapsGuide hahahaha nice!
I really enjoyed the video. I did expect you to choose the Explorer, mainly because of the size and versatility. I myself am still on my journey towards my goal of owning my first Rolex. My choice is the Submariner 124060. I visited my local A.D. again yesterday and we had a nice conversation about the different options.
Flexible, versatile, universally wearable, rough and rugged, iconic, beautiful, classically elegant, the original bond watch.. Explorer 1 36mm. I LOVE THIS WATCH ♥ (7-inch wrist)
Excellent summary Ash. I own both models as well and wear my Explorer 1 - 90% of the time. The Sub is also very blingy and does attract attention. The comfort on wrist and light weight case make the Explorer 1 unbeatable for me. If I could only own 1 watch it would be my Explorer 1.
Just let me know where and when you can walk in and buy both or either?
That cow mooed at just the right time at the end. Perfectly executed with both style and panache 😂 🐮
Great video ash! I agree - the explorer is the more versatile and class piece of the two. I suspect this video will collect a ton of views….
I have the Explorer 124270, and I adore it! I would one day like to own the Submariner 126060. I think that would make the perfect two watch collection.
I just got the call last week from my AD for the explorer. It took 18 months from going on the list with no purchase history. I don’t know how true this is but the AD said the people above me pulled out because of the cost of living. Maybe I got lucky 🤷🏾♂️
And with the Watch price crash over the last year, there is more availability at the AD because alot of Rolexs sell close to retail in the grey market now, and the flippers aren't buying them
I’ve had 3 Rolex’s offered to me by ADs in the past 2 week which has been quite a surprise! However, they are all within the waiting range that the ADs mentioned in the beginning - 2 years+ for the subs and 9-12 months for the datejust.
Confession time, I used to do a lot of Scuba Diving and 10 years ago when I retired from the Met I bought a no date Sub. It is my go to watch and I would buy it again.
While I do like the look of the Explorer, if I ever buy another Rolex it will be a Pepsi GMT.
Thanks for sharing. Out of interest what made you go for the no date Sub over the date version? I ask as in that dilemma today
@@rezar6894 For me the face of the no date Sub is more symmetrical, the cyclops date bubble spoils the look of the watch.
@@SteveMrW - thanks, makes sense. You must have got the ceramic bezel version as just came out then. Am I right in that, the no date is more iconic as the first submariners were without the date , as was the model James Bond wore? Cheers
@@rezar6894 I believe the original Bond watch was a 5513 (no winder protection).
Although I bought my watch 10 years ago it was as new and not new, it does not have a ceramic bezel insert.
As far as Rolex or any other high-end brand goes, it's best to buy them second hand, preferably through private sales.
As stated below, one can even buy a Tudor for even less outlay.
The watches one finds this way are usually incredibly well kept... And we can skip the markup from professional watch dealers.
Also... My personal opinion is that the Rolex Explorer is a much more versatile timepiece.... And the more elegant of the two.
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If you can find them cheaper pre-owned then do it. Good luck finding a pre-owned ceramic Sub cheaper then list price… a 36mm Explorer maybe… as not as sought after. 👍🇬🇧
Whilst I like the EX 39 (the only one my wrists could possibly use because the 36mm is more like 35.5mm and is way too small for many men), the bezel being steel would get scratched to high heaven if I wore it as a beater, so while I do like its simple classy looks, I would purchase the sub definitely. The ceramic bezel will last way longer and look "new" for much longer. But I think the new sub releases should have a third colour to add more variety to the dial (like a red etc), it's a bit boring now in just black when the watch is basically the worlds number 1 homage watch.
I have an op39, iwc 39mm chrono spitfire and orient ray ii as a beater/daily...
I find the sub too boring a.k.a. safe..
Tried on the 43.5mm black titanium/ ceramic seamaster and was blown away..🤯
Finding more and more reasons not to go with the sub for the next purchase other than resale value..
Buying what you like is soo true for me
Can't go wrong with either of them. Amazing watches, thanks for the video.
Very nice to hear a experienced opinion with good arguments.
Hi Ash, loving the comparison video's. I have the dilemma of these 2 watches at the moment, and your video's are helping a lot. The explorer 1 suits my understated personality more than the sub, but every time I see the sub, I can't stop looking!
I wish I actually have this problem one day 😂
From a style standpoint, there is only one choice: Submariner. It goes well with any clothes and activity. I wear mine on the golf course, I wear mine working outside, I've even worn mine with a tuxedo.
ye but you can wear flip flops with a tuxedo, doesn't mean it works.
Sub all day all the way; that glidelock clasp and clicking bezel wins for me 💯
Review is well done. However, I'd have compared the 39 or 40 Explorer to the Sub, rather than the 36 Explorer, to make the comparison more apples and oranges rather than apples and grapes...when speaking of size or wrist presence. I have the 39 Explorer and a neo-vintage 40mm Pepsi GMT-Master (which, of course, parallels the 40mm Sub, size-wise), and I find the look and feel of the two to be quite distinct though equally pleasing to the eye and equally comfortable on the wrist. The two make for a versatile Rolex mini-collection, with the GMT on the more sporty side and the Explorer, despite its 'tooliness', on the more casual, business-suit, even dressy side.
Hey Bark, buy your self a Tudor Black Bay AND a Tudor Ranger. Number 1 - you can buy them TODAY. Number two - you can take them on the very nice weekend in Paris you'll have with the two thousand dollars in your pocket from not buying a Roller.
The design of either doesn’t speak to me. I’d rather just wear my longines avigation bigeye every day instead of either of those watches
If the Explorer was still a 39mm I might agree, however I think that 36mm is too small for most gents. I’d steer him towards a 41mm DateJust with the black dial with batons, smooth bezel and Oyster bracelet… or a black OP41. Or wait until W&W on Monday… there could be a new Explorer 1 release to savour? 👍🇬🇧 For my money a No-date Sub all day long… iconic.
Ash, given the choice between these two excellent watches, I would gravitate towards the Explorer - but it would have to be the 39mm variant as in my opinion 36mm is just a tad too small for me.
Class & style means 36 mm as the 36mm Explorer remains the only true Rolex unchanged for almost 70 years !
The Rolex engraved rehaut is a " no no " for many, so take a look at pre-2oo6 Explorer & Submariner... true old skool look !
@@phmwu7368 36mm is who that watch is....its part of its identity...
I'd suggest buying sterile dial versions of both of them. Each would cost about USD100. U can then feel the weight of them on your wrist, whether it would fit under your shirt cuff, etc. One would then be able to make a better choice.
I personally don’t like the way Sub looks and the clasp/bracelet is overgrown for the current iteration. 116610LN is king. I’d take the Explorer. Actually that’s a lie - I’d want a date so I’d get a Datejust.
Same boat. I have cronos sub and explorer. I think I will buy the Rolex explorer 39mm used that’s my grail
I'm really loving this channel.
I own both of these like many others commenting and there is definitely a place for both in a collection, they both serve different purposes. As a daily wear, 100% the 36mm explorer. It's much lighter than the sub (around 119g vs 150g); the 40mm explorer has less purpose in my opinion as it is heavier and is a similar size to the other rolex models. The 36mm and has a slimmer bracelet compared with the submariner and slightly lower profile case, meaning it is comfortable for daily wear, to the point you forget you're wearing it. It is more discreet, easily slides under the cuff and flies under the radar.
The submariner is a great alternative to the daily watch, ideal for gym & sports incl. swimming, meetings, holidays & social occasions where the extra weight and extra attention isn't an issue. I disagree that the submariner can't be worn formally, the same goes for the GMT, they are iconic and classy. Bond often seen wearing the submariner formally in the movies. A stainless-steel 5711 is also a dive watch and can be worn formally, however, I think the design and size & thickness does have a part to play as the Omega Ploprof or Sea-Dweller Deep Sea would be unsuitable. The ceramic bezel, polished sides on the case, bracelet & bezel grip and white gold hands & hour markers helps the sub wear well formally wear. I would typically choose a precious metal day-date or daytona for formal occasions though as they will do this better.
If I was buying just one, I would go for the 124270 explorer if it was to be worn daily, and the no-date submariner if it was being worn a few days a week/occasionally then get the explorer later.
First time here. Good video. Just subscribed.
Thanks and welcome
Thoughts on the Explorer 40mm?
One of my videos in the coming week is on this very watch
The Submariner is the cool watch.
Both great. But I could not disagree more. The sub wears fine with suits. Heck people now wear sneakers with suits or smart watches..even formal is more casual. The sub is also fine for every occassion. Although I have the sub, I am interested in 36mm Explorer. With all the crime, I would like something that flies under the radar. Just hard to find them new.
Your watch videos are outstanding. Thank you
Glad you like them!
And now we have a 40mm choice for 2023 in the Explorer
two handsome ROLEX wrist watches . I have the submariner/ date . I think the 'cyclops' - is''ROLEX'' . - either way , you can't lose. stay safe ~ JDS/CT
I have both. Want to get ride of one. No idea which..
Nice vid ash. Would like to see a GMT vs Submariner next please
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Best content ash
❤your videos
Keep up the good work
Glad you like them!
As a thought exercise it would be interesting to go back in time to when mid 30s millimetres sizing was the norm and present a 40mm or larger watch for consideration. I suspect there would be a fair amount of amusement with comments such as - "clown's watch" - "you look like a child wearing their Father's watch" - etc. It's just perception, as is much of anything really.
The 39/40 mm Explorer is a nearer comparison to the Submariner in this video as it is a similar size. The Sub is a more robust watch with its ceramic bezel and crown guard protection.
Never even thought about the Explorer growing up. Always the black steel Submariner Date. Good thing I don’t ever wear a suit. 😊
If you asked me this a month ago I'd have probably said the Submariner....
Right now? Explorer all day! In the 36mm at that.
When I was a young man the Submariner was the watch I wanted but couldn't afford, nor find, as the internet didn't exist. That being said, the Explorer I is more me.
Excellent video!
You can't buy either of them so it doesn't really matter does it?
Good analysis.
Nice presentation 👍
How many of each do would you say are produced by Rolex each year ??
It is a Rolex secret. But the estimate is between 800k and 1-million
Good comparison. And two great Rolex watches.
Thanks for watching!
for my 8" wrist would you still go explorer 40, or the larger submariner?
Both could work well for you sir, although the Exp will look larger, as it has no bezel, which always makes a watch look smaller.
114270 or 124270?
124270
Are they too similar to own both?
The Explorer is a watch that your average collector begins and ends their watch journey with.
I've tried the Explorer at an AD and it's very nimble, almost girlish... The taper on the bracelet from 19mm to 14mm killed me.
@@HelloMrGold nahh.. Not my cup of tea... Actually I prefer the black bay 36mm if I'd have to choose between the Explorer and the BB36... But for this particular comparison, I'd go with the Submariner as a one watch collection, for sure!
Mr pedantic will say: there is the Explorer 36, there was the Explorer 39, and just announced, the Explorer 40. There is no such thing as the Explorer 1 😂
I don't think it was ever called Explorer 1 per se, But there is an Explorer 2. So technically it's kind of like Explorer and Explorer 2, But that just sounds silly, so people call it Explorer 1.
My 40mm Explorer (1) should arrive this week!
Both
I live in Missouri, where there’s no ocean, and around here when someone wears a dive watch he looks a bit pretentious. So in choosing between these two take into account where you live and what you do for a hobby. As regards the Bond connection - he’s a former navy commander and does a lot of diving in the books, so it actually fits his job. In any case, a dive watch isn’t really all that necessary even for a diver; it’s a mere convenience. No diver with any brains would go below 100 feet for fear of “the bends,” and if you can’t tell how much air you have in your tank by looking at an Explorer then you’re too stupid to be trusted as a diving partner.
Finally, I suspect that a real spy would go for the Explorer as a daily driver anyway. I can imagine SMERSH assassins being told “Be on the lookout for some guy wearing the flashiest watch available. It’s probably Bond. James Bond.”
Great video 👌
Glad you enjoyed
Submariner is the most iconic watch ever made. No brainer
Agreed ..even if it came after the Explorer. Do you find the date or no date version most iconic for the submariner ?
@@rezar6894 No date all the way! also it seems to look bigger the non date version, and i have no idea why
@@rezar6894 i also think the new versions of the subs are horrible, the previous maxi/large cases were amazing, now they looked slimmed down, like horrible seiko's. thankfully all the GMT's still have the maxi cases, look so much better
Model number?
Bark…. You’re not getting either unless you want to pay well over retail……and Rolex are NOT worth we’ll over retail!!!!
Rolex hasn’t claimed that Hillary or Norgay wore a Rolex since 1954 - having been corrected at the time by Smiths for making such a false statement.
They stopped claimign that it reached the summit. But it was still with them on the expedition and they stick to that story.
@@dstfno Indeed, they do stick to that very carefully crafted line. Many, including dealers, often fail to spot the difference.
Explorer all Day !
Neither are available other than at ridiculous prices. So the question, frankly, is moot.
Rolex Submariner v Datejust = Explorer?
What size is your wrist ?
6.5 in
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Thank you sir
Buy both
Very well presented. Understand that from a grammatical perspective, Rolex is a company. So, any verbs associated with a single company need to be in the singular, not the plural. Quite often, people use the plural form because a single company is often made up of many people. Carry on!
Sub rule
Neither. I can't justify that kind of money for a watch. I know millions of people can. Both would be part of my 4 watch collection if my net worth was 20 or 30 million dollars. along with an H. Moser for the rare occasion when I "dress up" and a Stowa or Laco Flieger. I'm a simple guy. And let's be honest, people wear Rolex because they say Rolex on them. If you like stealthy, get a Smith's Everest.
Smartphone spell check has a mind of its very own.
A.I. - ????
I have the same dilemma and totally agree with you, the Explorer seems so much more versatile. In reality the submariner may not fit under the cuff. The Explorer is perfect one watch collection 👌🏽
Very comfortable wear
You can't buy either of them so it doesn't really matter does it?
Love both watches but the Explorer has been my favourite watch for about 20 years. A true 1 watch collection due to its versatility with straps alone, black, brown leather, steel, rubber, Nato. They all look good on it. Not many watches look at home while hiking, sailing and mountaineering (Designed for it) but also look just as at home with a Suit or Tux. Because before Rolex became the no1 (arguably) status symbol for success during the 80's (It was the 80's power icon), it was the G-Shock sports watch for 40 years beforehand. Explorer for me, hopefully in the near future.
The only real decision would be 36mm or 39mm, as I nearly have an 8" wrist, 39mm might be the better option but the 36mm just looks better.
The Sub with Ceramic bezel has the edge over time, the Explorer (my favourite watch) will be battered by scratches... but the Sub will maintain it's black glittering lustre for a lifetime
I sold my Sub. Now I have a Cartier Santos, an Omega Speedmaster reverse panda and my beloved Explorer. If I only could have one watch , the Explorer would be my choice.