I ended up going through the top for a tower and where I ended up putting my hole had not one but two lines going parallel from front to back. They were quite hard and my drill didn't go through them. I'm pretty sure they go to the front to warm the door because when I plugged in the fridge they were warm to the touch. Thankfully the kegerator is complete now and in working order. Thanks for the help!
@terpsichoreankid - Converting my fridge now, much harder than I expected. Mine is a Kenmore 4.4, and the shelves are not screwed in to a door panel as yours were. They were solid coated foam, I took a die grinder to them, and got them off. The shelves are not stopping the door now but there is a lip at the bottom, preventing it from closing. This lip is not at the top of the door, so I can flip the door upside down, just cut more, or install a platform to elevate the keg to clear this lip.
I just totally just stripped a mini-fridge... My daugher got it from work, and she did not like it in her room. Therefore, I took it off her hands!!! Kegerator here we come!!! Thanks for the instructions.
Hey Joe, all your videos have helped me tremendously with certain decisions and projects, so i want to pay a gratitude and sincere thank you...keep them coming.
Thanks for posting this! For a different reason, however. I had taken the door, gasket, and door panel off to clean up a major spill. I thought there was a missing part and couldn't figure how to get it back together! Watching this video of you disassembling it showed me what I needed to do! Thanks!
@terpsichoreankid PT2 There's 2 variables I want to change before serving, the temp and the carb level (I like 46F at 8-10psi). If you bleed off the pressure while the beer's still shaken up inside, you'll get sprayed with beer foam, LOL! I've let it sit overnight again at this point, at the proper temp, and bled off the pressure the next day and then hook up the CO2 and set it at 8-10psi. Instead, I've also let people go ahead and drink it cold and over-carbed until the pressure goes down.
@terpsichoreankid PT1 I'm still trying to get forced carb perfected. This is for my 3 gal kegs, not 5gal kegs. Rack to keg, leaving room beneath the IN tube, lid up. Purge with several hits of CO2 to get the O out, bleed off each hit. Raise to 20-30psi, chill overnight (5gal may be longer) to 40F or lower. Turn off CO2 and shake keg (guess with heavy 5gal you have to roll it) for abt 30 min. Here's where it gets tricky for me and I've tried a dozen or so experiments and still perfecting.
I was concerned about cutting into the door but it looks really easy. A friend gave me his old mini fridge, and I just got a keg system for my home brew. I'm only going to do a single tap in my 4.4 so seeing all that fit in there makes me feel better about it. I'm excited about converting it!
@terpsichoreankid I set it to 20-30psi while chilling overnight. Disconnect the CO2 the next day (or when it's chilled, you have a 5gal, mine is 3gal) and shake it. The theory is that as you shake it, the CO2 gets absorbed by the beer. Some guys do not disconnect, they might shut it off and let the pressure bleed back down by serving the beer at the high carb pressure, then crank back down the serving pressure and open the valve to let the CO2 flow again. Depends on your bravery. :-)
You sir are my hero for the day. From what I could see, condensation may be a slight annoyance. Prior to the demolition it collected in the try under the evaporator coils but now it will just run down to the bottom of fridge.
Great job. I followed your instructions and got my mini-fridge almost done. I need to still install a tower or a front door tap. I can't decide. I'm also going to make a stand or a wall with the shelves removed from the door. I didn't have a dremel, but I found a utility knife worked almost as well.
I bricked mine. I recommend finding where you want to drill, and opening on the inside using a dremel grinding wheel. Then scoup the insulation out. You may be able to cut a two inch hole, or alternately, just run the beer lines through the freon return area. The freon lines appear to be attached directly to the metal roof.
Thanks for posting this! I saw it previously and today, found a mini fridge that a neighbor left out. It's a Daewoo, same size, looks just like yours. In about 20 min., the shelves are already cut off of the door and my keg (with a nice English Bitter) is already cooling.
Planning on getting another Cornie Keg. When I do, I'll cut more plastic out. Also, used a utility knife and a hack saw. The door plastic cuts pretty easily.
Yep, that's a nice thin plastic and is easy to hack away at. Be sure if you hack into the sides that you do so carefully. You don't want to hack into a pertinent line of electricity or coolant!
@Tsalts I am actually planning on it when I have the funds for a nice tower. When I plugged the fridge in, I noticed that the sides got warm but not the top--so I know there are lines running in the side of the fridge--so the top is totally fair game! You can bet I'll make a vid and link it with this one so the whole 'kegerator experience' will be complete. Cheers!
I just got the same fridge in black on craigslist. I was thinking of bending down the freezer tray as well as I believed it to be the only cooling unit in the fridge. I am starting with one corny, then may start more dicing and slicing to fix a second.
Looks good. i wondered how to remove/bend the chiller/freezer. just push down slowly im assuming.. i set mine up with a T peice gas line, with he line running through a hole on the side of the fridge and have a hook on outside of fridge for gas. works just as well. make sure to give enough slop in the line for movements of the kegs
Ok you guys, I figured it out for installing a draft tower on one of these. The cooling lines on top are in a horseshoe shape and come out from the right and left back corners, then up the middle. You will want to drill your hole more towards the front of the unit to avoid it. I mean, anything over 10 inches from the front and you will hit the line
Great vid man, I made it work with a 'Sanyo SR-3660S 3.6-Cubic-Foot' fridge doing the same thing. But I had to carve out a bit more insulation than you had to. So for the record, 2 kegs and a CO2 tank with a dual regulator can fit into a 3.6 cubic foot fridge. (at least the particular model I mentioned above.)
@steeljan AH! Ok--this is starting to make a lot more sense now. If I were to chill the keg, and then hit it with 30psi, disconnect, shake it , and then repeat it a couple of times until carbonation is where I want it--that would do the trick, right? Or would that be too much? In pt1 of your reply, you mention chilling it overnight at 30psi--do you leave the tank connected and on the entire time, or disconnect it before letting it set all night?
A full size keg won't fit in one of these little fridges... The thermostat was easy to remove--held in by two small screws. You'd want to check to make sure wherever you put it that you don't drill into a side coolant line or anything like that. Hope that helps a bit! Cheers!
@terpsichoreankid PT3 The key here is that I don't reconnect my CO2 until I'm sure the pressure has gone down inside the keg, 'cause I don't want beer to go backwards into my CO2 line. Yet you want to crank down the CO2 pressure to be low when you reconnect and turn it back on. So, yeah, if no one is standing there waiting for beer ;-) I like to shake it and leave it overnight, bleed off the pressure, turn down my regulator, hook it back up, and adjust the CO2 regulator back up to my 8-10psi.
@sbendrake Hrmmm--were you bending it cold or warm? I know that metals become more malleable when they're warmer, but again, I'm not a professional at HVAC stuff so warming the tubes might be a terrible idea. Did you notice a crack or did anything snap? Mine was fairly easy to bend, but I went very slowly and tried to bend the entire 1.5 inches or so of the tubing a little bit at a time--moving slowly down the piece. Almost like a U bender machine bends a pipe.
with the cooling unit, how exactly did you bend it down? did you grab the pipe itself and bend it and if so did you put something behind it to help curl it down?
I'm doing much the same thing to a old dinged up Lemair mini fridge... just wanted to know if the outside of your fridge gathers condensation in area's you removed some of the insulation from?
how do you know there are no heating/cooling lines running through the top before you drill into it? is the shelf you folded back the only cooling unit? how do you know if thats the case?
In your opinion, is it also possible to install a tap on the side of the refrigerator on this model? I'm thinking once you remove the inner door panel it would be hard to install a tap on the front door.
@terpsichoreankid PT4 In my PT1 response, I meant disconnect the CO2, not just turn it off, before shaking. Some guys leave the CO2 connected at 20-30psi while they are shaking, but here again, I want to avoid beer getting back up into my regulator. Finally, once you get your carb exactly right, turn off your little CO2 valve after each drinking session, otherwise, the beer will continue to absorb CO2 and come out too foamy.
nice job unfortunatally i got a large frige for like 20 buks bit old but who really cairs lol it gives alot of beer so keeps me happy but if i ever need more kegs running im doing this y did u not do the co2 line splitters and pay more on regulators may i ask
@bwomp313 No--I never wound up installing a tower. I've tucked the fridge underneath a table, so for right now, I can't get to the top of it. If you have a model like this one, it shouldn't be a problem because I don't think there are any lines of any sort through the top of it... Be careful though--I don't really know for sure. Cheers! And best of luck!
Yeah--large open fridges are tricky to come by, especially in the 'mini-fridge' department. Folks have wonderful setups using full size fridges and taps out the front, if you have the space for one... One of these days I'll have one of them for sure!
@SGTkiitty LOL yeah--the foam was to help insulate. Though, I didn't take out too much of it really, and it is still running and keeping quite cold just fine. I think in the best case scenario you wouldn't have to remove so much insulation obviously, but this way saved me a lot of money and didn't really sacrifice much efficiency. Cheers!
Have the same kind of fridge and am trying to put a full keg in and it has the thermostat in the same spot and I need to move it. I noticed you had it on the back little shelf. Is it easy to move? All i need to do is move it a few inches. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
I say you did quite some cutting through the plastic of the fridge... how did you plan on cutting all this, taking into consideration the possible cooling lines?
How difficult was it to bend the coolant line? Could you walk me through that process? I have a similar fridge that i'm wanting to convert but if i screw it up i wont be kegging for a long time...
Yup definitely started hearing a hiss when I tried bending the tray. I was doing it carefully but it just started to lightly hiss. No more keg for me. I can't afford another one. Any tips for bending this damn thing.
are you having problems keeping temperature cool? and how long did it take toget your beer to 40 degrees i heard that once you bend down the ice trayalot of people were having problems with freezing.
Nope--no problem keep cool. I have actually found the fridge seems to be colder with the cooling tray bent down, so I've had to increase the temp on the internal thermostat to compensate. It works like a charm!
Most definitely! I still use the picnic taps--works great for me, plus haven't had the money to invest in more fancy accessories. As long as the beer is good, I'm a happy camper!
What sort of temps are you getting with this thing? I've been testing the settings. I put a glass of water in there and the hope was to see what temp the water is. So far it's been completely frozen every time and that was on setting 3 now. I'm going to try 1 to see if it's lower, but do I need to buy a temperature controller for this thing?I was really hoping not to.
@terpsichoreankid Well, hang on. Just leaving it overnight to chill at 30psi will not carbonate the beer. It'll come out fast and with a foamy head, but the body of it will not have CO2 in it. You have to shake it up to get the CO2 into the beer that fast. Remember, don't get beer back in your CO2 line, which happens when the keg pressure is higher than your line pressure. The alternative is setting the CO2 at the pressure and temp you want in the first place and leave it for a week.
Great work there!! I'm using a similar frig for my kegerator but so far I'm chicken to mess with the freezer part, instead I got 3 gal kegs which are exp and frustrating. Seeing you do it, maybe I'll get brave. Not sure you want your CO2 up against the freezer, cold drops CO2 pressure, besides you need to be able to get to it easily to turn it off and on and adjusting. I may drill a hole to put mine totally outside the frig. Love how you did that first part, such great comic editing!! Tks!
@acraine Slowly, checking to make sure there were no kinks in the line as I went. I also tried to bend down sectionally--so I'd try to bend the first quarter, then the next, then the next, etc. until the entire line was bent down. The trick is to bend the entire thing without a kink occurring in that little piece of tubing that comes out of the wall, so I bent in sections gradually until the entire thing was where I wanted it. Just grabbing and pulling the tray down would be disastrous!
You bet! No--I actually had a problem keeping it warm enough. I have the dial set to one of the warmest temperature settings and have the fridge on a timer to cycle on for 30 mins and off for 1 hour. That keeps it from freezing and is sitting right at about 40 or so.
@bwomp313 Interesting... I didn't think there would be lines up there--at least, not in my fridge anyway. If I wind up putting in a tower, I'll have to keep my eye out for that. Thanks for the heads up!
Hey Man, Good video. Thanks for sharing. I also am debating whether or not to buy a Kegerator ($459) or buy a cheap Mini fridge of some sort and make my own. I only need to store one 1/6 keg though. Mine will not be seen, it will be behind a wall and I'm going to come through the wall for the tap. I don't believe the CO2 cylinder has to be refrigerated either does it? So any thoughts or suggestions on my situation? Thanks.
In mine, you had to very carefully bend the entire tray down which was connected to the system by one pipe. I had to be very careful not to kink that pipe or the coolant wouldn't flow.
@sbendrake You know--I actually didn't end up pulling it out , it came with the pipe sticking that far out! Maybe that is how I was able to bend mine so gradually... I'm sorry to hear yours didn't turn out! I used to live in MA--if any of my old friends happen to have a minifridge they're wanting to part with, I'll be sure to email you.
@bwomp313 if you use a paste of water and starch (somewhat on the watery side)... spread on top of the fridge and turn on it will warm up the lines and you will be able to see it through this mixture, then find a place to drill.
@Lnoch86 I would measure out the footprint of the kegs and see if they will fit into your fridge. You may need to do one at a time between the kegs (the footprint of a tornado keg looks to be pretty wide...) For this video, I kind of just fooled around with it until things fit just right. I'm not 100% sure about the top of the Magic Chef fridge, but I would imagine there aren't any cooling lines up there--the coolant is all in the freezer tray, and that line runs down the back of the fridge.
I want to remove the freezer part of my mini fridge, can I just cut and cap the wires (before or after taking the freezer compartment out)? Is there a freon line or anything else I have to worry about? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Dawn
I was bending at room temp. It looks like you were able to pull the coolant pipe out a little to make it bend easier. I tried moving slow I just think it started to kink and I didn't realize it. If anyone in Mass has a Mini fridge they want to sell cheap. Contact me!
Terp, Could you give me the measurement from the compressor hump to the door. Looking to see if I can use this for beer fermentation. Would have to fit a 12.5" wide carboy in there.
@terpsichoreankid I recently picked up a haier mini fridge and its been running 12 hours at setting 7 (coldest) and its still not as cold as i'd like, maybe ~40oF. Question for you is how long did it take for your fridge to actually get cold when turning it on from room temp?
Just very gradually, very carefully. I didn't have any specialty tools--just used my hands and took plenty of time to make sure I didn't crimp the pipe!
@drew1350 You know, I'm not 100% sure on that one as I have never tried it, but just from looking online at a couple sites showing dimensions of various kegs, it doesn't look like a 1/6 keg is too far off at all from the cornelius kegs I use. I would think that it would fit without any troubles.
I did this with a similar fridge, and mounted pipe 2" flanges on the top, with 2" galvanized pipe nipples screwed into the flanges, then elbows on top of then. Then I screwed in pipe nipples, and two more pipe flanges. I mounted a decorative board on those final pipe flanges. Then I put wall mounted style taps through the board, and the beer lines go through the pipe down into the fridge and onto the kegs. It worked great and had a pretty "industrial" look. Every thing was gravy, until I drilled a hole in the side of the fridge for the gas line and just NICKED a cooling line I had no idea was there! At which point the entire effort was scrapped because while there could be a way to repair the line, there is no way to re-charge a mini-fridge with coolant. Knowing that, either do what terpsichoreandkid did and keep the gas bottle inside the fridge, or only go through the top of the fridge because there seems to be no cooling lines inside that part of the fridge. Good video.
When you remove the panel on the door, does the foam stay in tact over time or does it deteriorate from opening the door multiple times? I want to do this with a pin lock keg and party tap.
@chaosinhell666 In all actuality, I don't keep the CO2 tank in the fridge these days--just the kegs. Once the brew is cold, I've found that force carbing them and then taking the co2 tank out saves fridge space and clutter. Plus it gets really freezing cold next to the chill plate, so it wound up working out better to keep it external. This was also a gift to me--so I have used what I got--no need to buy more expensive stuff if I don't have to! Cheers!
@tedizzle45 No--there's a ledge in there that makes even fitting the two cornelius kegs in there a squeeze. A 1/2 would be way too big for this little fridge. Hope that helps! Cheers!
Nice guide! Ill be trying this one this summer After I finish the work to get everything to fit, Some DIY tap towers to save even more cash, and my living room will be complete
Hrmm... I'd measure the diameter of the keg before trying just to be sure... I couldn't tell you off the top of my head! There's a decent amount of space in there, but there's a shelf type thing at the bottom where the compressor sits--and it really hampers the overall capacity.
Do you think if I get a 3.2 mini fridge I will be able to put a 6 gallon carboy in there for fermentation even if I do the same thing you did in the video.
Thanks for the helpful video! I apparently had a slightly different model- coolant pipe was on the left side and a bit more difficult to bend but we're there. Does anyone know if there is any important piping on the top? I have a 2-tap tower I'd like to install but don't want to hit any wiring. Thanks!
I haven't--never converted it to a tower. I actually like the way it is set up now with the picnic taps, so will probably keep it that way for a while!
Hey, thanks for the instructional video! Because of you and your clever ways I now have the exact same mini converted for cornies. I have a question: What temp do you keep you dial set to? I find 1, the lowest setting is almost too cold??? Any thoughts? Also, where do you have the temp prob? Thanks.
@TakeSomeAdvice Thanks! As I got further into chipping the foam out, I was starting to wonder myself. I have a few more things I'd like to do to it, but for now, it will do!
I'm considering this project and I have a question about the door. Wouldn't it have been easier to use a red hot box cutter to remove the plastic interior section of the door rather than unscrew, cut, then reattach the gasket mounting?
Well, actually both pin and ball lock disconnects come in tall and short--so that's not the best way to differentiate them. Pin lock literally has pins that protrude from the base of the post, whereas ball lock does not. It's all in how the disconnect attaches to the post, not the color or height of the disconnect (though that will help you differentiate between gas in and beverage out.
Great Job!!! I just did the same thing to a 4.3 cu ft fridge, (chosen only due to lack of space in my basement bar). Only difference, I had no freezer. So I have to ask, have you tested how well or how long it takes the fridge to bring the temp down to serving temp?
Have you ever found out where the electrical and refrigerant lines are on your Magic Chef Kegerator conversion?? I am going to install a tower tap on my magic chef within the next couple of weeks and with my luck, I will hit both.... If you have seen specifications or diagrams, please share them. I have been able to find nothing on the web.
@PiperPilot140 Awesome! Yeah--with the door you don't have too much to worry about--it's the sides where you have to be careful. If you slice too deep and hit a coolant line, it can ruin the whole fridge. So when you convert yours--take your time and have a homebrew! :-)
@skyking1488 Nope--I just use two picnic taps I keep coiled on top of the kegs in the fridge. I then use the top of the fridge for a fermenter holder when I've got wine going.
@pachdaddy I didn't drill through anything in this video... If you're looking for tips on that, check some of the homebrew forums--I know there is one method where you make a paste with baking soda and then put it on the fridge where you'd like to drill--the areas with cooling lines will dry faster because they warm up. With this fridge, the shelf is the only cooling area, and I think the lines actually run through the sides rather than the top. I haven't drilled on it, so can't say for sure!
@aHalfaMongrel Nope--no condensation on the outside at all. I have noticed though that the cooling tray will build up ice on all its surfaces inside the fridge, so a periodic complete thawing/cleaning is definitely a must. Though--for a cheap as hell fridge and two kegs of perfectly cooled beer--it's well worth it!
Question. I bent down the freezer section of mine and even on the lowest setting it still freezes the whole unit and frosts up the freezer section and the beer is freezing. Any thoughts?
@brhoge You know, because the fridge has the cooling tray within the fridge, I highly doubt there will be lines running in the very top of the fridge. I'll try to follow that freon line as close as I can, but will probably do the baking soda test to see if anywhere on the top of the fridge is getting heated. But yeah--I'm thinking that because the cooling is occurring with that internal tray, there's probably no lines up at the top... If you wind up chopping away--please let me know!
@chris95069 LOL--soon, friend! I'm sure I'll shoot video of the first pouring from the kegs (I've had them now for about a month and haven't yet used them...) So needless to say, I'm excited. First pour, second pour, third pour, fourth....pour... Oh dear--that video might get a little rough around the edges... haha
I ended up going through the top for a tower and where I ended up putting my hole had not one but two lines going parallel from front to back. They were quite hard and my drill didn't go through them. I'm pretty sure they go to the front to warm the door because when I plugged in the fridge they were warm to the touch. Thankfully the kegerator is complete now and in working order. Thanks for the help!
@terpsichoreankid - Converting my fridge now, much harder than I expected. Mine is a Kenmore 4.4, and the shelves are not screwed in to a door panel as yours were. They were solid coated foam, I took a die grinder to them, and got them off. The shelves are not stopping the door now but there is a lip at the bottom, preventing it from closing. This lip is not at the top of the door, so I can flip the door upside down, just cut more, or install a platform to elevate the keg to clear this lip.
I just totally just stripped a mini-fridge... My daugher got it from work, and she did not like it in her room. Therefore, I took it off her hands!!! Kegerator here we come!!! Thanks for the instructions.
Hey Joe, all your videos have helped me tremendously with certain decisions and projects, so i want to pay a gratitude and sincere thank you...keep them coming.
Well done! There are lesser men who would have settled for lesser results. Yet you persevered and tamed the 4.4 cubic foot monstrosity.
Cheers!
Thanks for posting this! For a different reason, however. I had taken the door, gasket, and door panel off to clean up a major spill. I thought there was a missing part and couldn't figure how to get it back together! Watching this video of you disassembling it showed me what I needed to do! Thanks!
+Jim Winkler Awesome! Happy to help!
@terpsichoreankid PT2 There's 2 variables I want to change before serving, the temp and the carb level (I like 46F at 8-10psi). If you bleed off the pressure while the beer's still shaken up inside, you'll get sprayed with beer foam, LOL! I've let it sit overnight again at this point, at the proper temp, and bled off the pressure the next day and then hook up the CO2 and set it at 8-10psi. Instead, I've also let people go ahead and drink it cold and over-carbed until the pressure goes down.
@terpsichoreankid PT1 I'm still trying to get forced carb perfected. This is for my 3 gal kegs, not 5gal kegs. Rack to keg, leaving room beneath the IN tube, lid up. Purge with several hits of CO2 to get the O out, bleed off each hit. Raise to 20-30psi, chill overnight (5gal may be longer) to 40F or lower. Turn off CO2 and shake keg (guess with heavy 5gal you have to roll it) for abt 30 min. Here's where it gets tricky for me and I've tried a dozen or so experiments and still perfecting.
I was concerned about cutting into the door but it looks really easy. A friend gave me his old mini fridge, and I just got a keg system for my home brew. I'm only going to do a single tap in my 4.4 so seeing all that fit in there makes me feel better about it. I'm excited about converting it!
dude, i never new u could fit them in a fridge like that. u have totaly inspired me.
@terpsichoreankid I set it to 20-30psi while chilling overnight. Disconnect the CO2 the next day (or when it's chilled, you have a 5gal, mine is 3gal) and shake it. The theory is that as you shake it, the CO2 gets absorbed by the beer. Some guys do not disconnect, they might shut it off and let the pressure bleed back down by serving the beer at the high carb pressure, then crank back down the serving pressure and open the valve to let the CO2 flow again. Depends on your bravery. :-)
You sir are my hero for the day. From what I could see, condensation may be a slight annoyance. Prior to the demolition it collected in the try under the evaporator coils but now it will just run down to the bottom of fridge.
Great job. I followed your instructions and got my mini-fridge almost done. I need to still install a tower or a front door tap. I can't decide. I'm also going to make a stand or a wall with the shelves removed from the door. I didn't have a dremel, but I found a utility knife worked almost as well.
loving the improvisation!
Good work and good effort :)
you got your priorities right... Cheap! (Y) way to go my friend
I bricked mine. I recommend finding where you want to drill, and opening on the inside using a dremel grinding wheel. Then scoup the insulation out. You may be able to cut a two inch hole, or alternately, just run the beer lines through the freon return area. The freon lines appear to be attached directly to the metal roof.
WOW NICE! I was trying to do the very same thing but so many people said it couldn't be done so I didn't try. Great work!
Super cool video bro! I was wondering if this was even possible. Thanks for sharing! :)
Thanks for posting this! I saw it previously and today, found a mini fridge that a neighbor left out. It's a Daewoo, same size, looks just like yours. In about 20 min., the shelves are already cut off of the door and my keg (with a nice English Bitter) is already cooling.
Planning on getting another Cornie Keg. When I do, I'll cut more plastic out.
Also, used a utility knife and a hack saw. The door plastic cuts pretty easily.
Nice!!!
Yep, that's a nice thin plastic and is easy to hack away at. Be sure if you hack into the sides that you do so carefully. You don't want to hack into a pertinent line of electricity or coolant!
@Tsalts I am actually planning on it when I have the funds for a nice tower. When I plugged the fridge in, I noticed that the sides got warm but not the top--so I know there are lines running in the side of the fridge--so the top is totally fair game! You can bet I'll make a vid and link it with this one so the whole 'kegerator experience' will be complete. Cheers!
I just got the same fridge in black on craigslist. I was thinking of bending down the freezer tray as well as I believed it to be the only cooling unit in the fridge. I am starting with one corny, then may start more dicing and slicing to fix a second.
Looks good.
i wondered how to remove/bend the chiller/freezer. just push down slowly im assuming.. i set mine up with a T peice gas line, with he line running through a hole on the side of the fridge and have a hook on outside of fridge for gas. works just as well. make sure to give enough slop in the line for movements of the kegs
Just bought one of these myself for the same thing and came across this. Very helpful! Thanks!
Ok you guys, I figured it out for installing a draft tower on one of these. The cooling lines on top are in a horseshoe shape and come out from the right and left back corners, then up the middle. You will want to drill your hole more towards the front of the unit to avoid it. I mean, anything over 10 inches from the front and you will hit the line
Great vid man, I made it work with a 'Sanyo SR-3660S 3.6-Cubic-Foot' fridge doing the same thing. But I had to carve out a bit more insulation than you had to.
So for the record, 2 kegs and a CO2 tank with a dual regulator can fit into a 3.6 cubic foot fridge. (at least the particular model I mentioned above.)
@steeljan AH! Ok--this is starting to make a lot more sense now. If I were to chill the keg, and then hit it with 30psi, disconnect, shake it , and then repeat it a couple of times until carbonation is where I want it--that would do the trick, right? Or would that be too much? In pt1 of your reply, you mention chilling it overnight at 30psi--do you leave the tank connected and on the entire time, or disconnect it before letting it set all night?
A full size keg won't fit in one of these little fridges... The thermostat was easy to remove--held in by two small screws. You'd want to check to make sure wherever you put it that you don't drill into a side coolant line or anything like that. Hope that helps a bit! Cheers!
@terpsichoreankid PT3 The key here is that I don't reconnect my CO2 until I'm sure the pressure has gone down inside the keg, 'cause I don't want beer to go backwards into my CO2 line. Yet you want to crank down the CO2 pressure to be low when you reconnect and turn it back on. So, yeah, if no one is standing there waiting for beer ;-) I like to shake it and leave it overnight, bleed off the pressure, turn down my regulator, hook it back up, and adjust the CO2 regulator back up to my 8-10psi.
@sbendrake Hrmmm--were you bending it cold or warm? I know that metals become more malleable when they're warmer, but again, I'm not a professional at HVAC stuff so warming the tubes might be a terrible idea. Did you notice a crack or did anything snap? Mine was fairly easy to bend, but I went very slowly and tried to bend the entire 1.5 inches or so of the tubing a little bit at a time--moving slowly down the piece. Almost like a U bender machine bends a pipe.
with the cooling unit, how exactly did you bend it down? did you grab the pipe itself and bend it and if so did you put something behind it to help curl it down?
I'm doing much the same thing to a old dinged up Lemair mini fridge... just wanted to know if the outside of your fridge gathers condensation in area's you removed some of the insulation from?
how do you know there are no heating/cooling lines running through the top before you drill into it? is the shelf you folded back the only cooling unit? how do you know if thats the case?
In your opinion, is it also possible to install a tap on the side of the refrigerator on this model? I'm thinking once you remove the inner door panel it would be hard to install a tap on the front door.
@terpsichoreankid PT4 In my PT1 response, I meant disconnect the CO2, not just turn it off, before shaking. Some guys leave the CO2 connected at 20-30psi while they are shaking, but here again, I want to avoid beer getting back up into my regulator. Finally, once you get your carb exactly right, turn off your little CO2 valve after each drinking session, otherwise, the beer will continue to absorb CO2 and come out too foamy.
A good way to fix it is buy some bondo fiberglass and refill the walls to fit the bottles and give a good paint over and your done. Great build.
nice job unfortunatally i got a large frige for like 20 buks bit old but who really cairs lol it gives alot of beer so keeps me happy but if i ever need more kegs running im doing this y did u not do the co2 line splitters and pay more on regulators may i ask
@bwomp313 No--I never wound up installing a tower. I've tucked the fridge underneath a table, so for right now, I can't get to the top of it. If you have a model like this one, it shouldn't be a problem because I don't think there are any lines of any sort through the top of it... Be careful though--I don't really know for sure. Cheers! And best of luck!
Yeah--large open fridges are tricky to come by, especially in the 'mini-fridge' department. Folks have wonderful setups using full size fridges and taps out the front, if you have the space for one... One of these days I'll have one of them for sure!
@SGTkiitty LOL yeah--the foam was to help insulate. Though, I didn't take out too much of it really, and it is still running and keeping quite cold just fine. I think in the best case scenario you wouldn't have to remove so much insulation obviously, but this way saved me a lot of money and didn't really sacrifice much efficiency. Cheers!
What style kegs do you have? think pin lock is shorter and wider where ball lock are taller and slimmer?
Have the same kind of fridge and am trying to put a full keg in and it has the thermostat in the same spot and I need to move it. I noticed you had it on the back little shelf. Is it easy to move? All i need to do is move it a few inches. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
I say you did quite some cutting through the plastic of the fridge... how did you plan on cutting all this, taking into consideration the possible cooling lines?
How difficult was it to bend the coolant line? Could you walk me through that process? I have a similar fridge that i'm wanting to convert but if i screw it up i wont be kegging for a long time...
Yup definitely started hearing a hiss when I tried bending the tray. I was doing it carefully but it just started to lightly hiss. No more keg for me. I can't afford another one. Any tips for bending this damn thing.
did u drill in the top yet? i have the exact same fridge and wanna know where to drill for tower on top
are you having problems keeping temperature cool? and how long did it take toget your beer to 40 degrees i heard that once you bend down the ice trayalot of people were having problems with freezing.
Nope--no problem keep cool. I have actually found the fridge seems to be colder with the cooling tray bent down, so I've had to increase the temp on the internal thermostat to compensate. It works like a charm!
Most definitely! I still use the picnic taps--works great for me, plus haven't had the money to invest in more fancy accessories. As long as the beer is good, I'm a happy camper!
What sort of temps are you getting with this thing? I've been testing the settings. I put a glass of water in there and the hope was to see what temp the water is. So far it's been completely frozen every time and that was on setting 3 now. I'm going to try 1 to see if it's lower, but do I need to buy a temperature controller for this thing?I was really hoping not to.
@terpsichoreankid Well, hang on. Just leaving it overnight to chill at 30psi will not carbonate the beer. It'll come out fast and with a foamy head, but the body of it will not have CO2 in it. You have to shake it up to get the CO2 into the beer that fast. Remember, don't get beer back in your CO2 line, which happens when the keg pressure is higher than your line pressure. The alternative is setting the CO2 at the pressure and temp you want in the first place and leave it for a week.
Great work there!! I'm using a similar frig for my kegerator but so far I'm chicken to mess with the freezer part, instead I got 3 gal kegs which are exp and frustrating. Seeing you do it, maybe I'll get brave. Not sure you want your CO2 up against the freezer, cold drops CO2 pressure, besides you need to be able to get to it easily to turn it off and on and adjusting. I may drill a hole to put mine totally outside the frig. Love how you did that first part, such great comic editing!! Tks!
How did you "carefully" bend down the cooling body without kinking the tubes?
@acraine Slowly, checking to make sure there were no kinks in the line as I went. I also tried to bend down sectionally--so I'd try to bend the first quarter, then the next, then the next, etc. until the entire line was bent down. The trick is to bend the entire thing without a kink occurring in that little piece of tubing that comes out of the wall, so I bent in sections gradually until the entire thing was where I wanted it. Just grabbing and pulling the tray down would be disastrous!
You bet! No--I actually had a problem keeping it warm enough. I have the dial set to one of the warmest temperature settings and have the fridge on a timer to cycle on for 30 mins and off for 1 hour. That keeps it from freezing and is sitting right at about 40 or so.
@bwomp313 Interesting... I didn't think there would be lines up there--at least, not in my fridge anyway. If I wind up putting in a tower, I'll have to keep my eye out for that. Thanks for the heads up!
My fridge ive just bought of ebay looks the same but at the top it has a freezer, can it still be done
Hey Man, Good video. Thanks for sharing. I also am debating whether or not to buy a Kegerator ($459) or buy a cheap Mini fridge of some sort and make my own. I only need to store one 1/6 keg though.
Mine will not be seen, it will be behind a wall and I'm going to come through the wall for the tap. I don't believe the CO2 cylinder has to be refrigerated either does it?
So any thoughts or suggestions on my situation?
Thanks.
Could I get the dimensions of those kegs? I am trying to do this but using a local draft that comes in "mini"kegs. Thanks.
In mine, you had to very carefully bend the entire tray down which was connected to the system by one pipe. I had to be very careful not to kink that pipe or the coolant wouldn't flow.
Would a sixth barrel keg fit in a kegerator like the one you made?
@sbendrake You know--I actually didn't end up pulling it out , it came with the pipe sticking that far out! Maybe that is how I was able to bend mine so gradually... I'm sorry to hear yours didn't turn out! I used to live in MA--if any of my old friends happen to have a minifridge they're wanting to part with, I'll be sure to email you.
@bwomp313 if you use a paste of water and starch (somewhat on the watery side)... spread on top of the fridge and turn on it will warm up the lines and you will be able to see it through this mixture, then find a place to drill.
@Lnoch86 I would measure out the footprint of the kegs and see if they will fit into your fridge. You may need to do one at a time between the kegs (the footprint of a tornado keg looks to be pretty wide...) For this video, I kind of just fooled around with it until things fit just right. I'm not 100% sure about the top of the Magic Chef fridge, but I would imagine there aren't any cooling lines up there--the coolant is all in the freezer tray, and that line runs down the back of the fridge.
I want to remove the freezer part of my mini fridge, can I just cut and cap the wires (before or after taking the freezer compartment out)? Is there a freon line or anything else I have to worry about? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Dawn
I was bending at room temp. It looks like you were able to pull the coolant pipe out a little to make it bend easier. I tried moving slow I just think it started to kink and I didn't realize it. If anyone in Mass has a Mini fridge they want to sell cheap. Contact me!
Nice conversion dude! Small or large, kegerators are the bomb!
Terp, Could you give me the measurement from the compressor hump to the door. Looking to see if I can use this for beer fermentation. Would have to fit a 12.5" wide carboy in there.
@terpsichoreankid I recently picked up a haier mini fridge and its been running 12 hours at setting 7 (coldest) and its still not as cold as i'd like, maybe ~40oF. Question for you is how long did it take for your fridge to actually get cold when turning it on from room temp?
Just very gradually, very carefully. I didn't have any specialty tools--just used my hands and took plenty of time to make sure I didn't crimp the pipe!
Can I have my hose going up through the top of fridge to a tap on the bar counter above, or is there refrigerator pipes in the ceiling of the fridge?
@drew1350 You know, I'm not 100% sure on that one as I have never tried it, but just from looking online at a couple sites showing dimensions of various kegs, it doesn't look like a 1/6 keg is too far off at all from the cornelius kegs I use. I would think that it would fit without any troubles.
I did this with a similar fridge, and mounted pipe 2" flanges on the top, with 2" galvanized pipe nipples screwed into the flanges, then elbows on top of then. Then I screwed in pipe nipples, and two more pipe flanges. I mounted a decorative board on those final pipe flanges. Then I put wall mounted style taps through the board, and the beer lines go through the pipe down into the fridge and onto the kegs. It worked great and had a pretty "industrial" look. Every thing was gravy, until I drilled a hole in the side of the fridge for the gas line and just NICKED a cooling line I had no idea was there! At which point the entire effort was scrapped because while there could be a way to repair the line, there is no way to re-charge a mini-fridge with coolant. Knowing that, either do what terpsichoreandkid did and keep the gas bottle inside the fridge, or only go through the top of the fridge because there seems to be no cooling lines inside that part of the fridge. Good video.
+Byron Sarchet Do you happen to have a picture of that set up before you drilled the coolant line?
Is there any coolant lines on top can you drill right through top for tower?
When you remove the panel on the door, does the foam stay in tact over time or does it deteriorate from opening the door multiple times? I want to do this with a pin lock keg and party tap.
@chaosinhell666 In all actuality, I don't keep the CO2 tank in the fridge these days--just the kegs. Once the brew is cold, I've found that force carbing them and then taking the co2 tank out saves fridge space and clutter. Plus it gets really freezing cold next to the chill plate, so it wound up working out better to keep it external. This was also a gift to me--so I have used what I got--no need to buy more expensive stuff if I don't have to! Cheers!
@tedizzle45 No--there's a ledge in there that makes even fitting the two cornelius kegs in there a squeeze. A 1/2 would be way too big for this little fridge. Hope that helps! Cheers!
Nice guide! Ill be trying this one this summer
After I finish the work to get everything to fit, Some DIY tap towers to save even more cash, and my living room will be complete
Hrmm... I'd measure the diameter of the keg before trying just to be sure... I couldn't tell you off the top of my head! There's a decent amount of space in there, but there's a shelf type thing at the bottom where the compressor sits--and it really hampers the overall capacity.
Do you think if I get a 3.2 mini fridge I will be able to put a 6 gallon carboy in there for fermentation even if I do the same thing you did in the video.
Thanks for the helpful video! I apparently had a slightly different model- coolant pipe was on the left side and a bit more difficult to bend but we're there. Does anyone know if there is any important piping on the top? I have a 2-tap tower I'd like to install but don't want to hit any wiring. Thanks!
I haven't--never converted it to a tower. I actually like the way it is set up now with the picnic taps, so will probably keep it that way for a while!
Hey, thanks for the instructional video! Because of you and your clever ways I now have the exact same mini converted for cornies. I have a question: What temp do you keep you dial set to? I find 1, the lowest setting is almost too cold??? Any thoughts? Also, where do you have the temp prob?
Thanks.
Same here. Where did you stuff the thermometer wire? It wants to run at 27°f now on 1.
An improvement from cobra taps and an alternative to a draft tower would be to go through the door with shanks and side-mount your faucets.
@TakeSomeAdvice Thanks! As I got further into chipping the foam out, I was starting to wonder myself. I have a few more things I'd like to do to it, but for now, it will do!
That you could!! I may have to do that--give a lager a try!
I'm considering this project and I have a question about the door. Wouldn't it have been easier to use a red hot box cutter to remove the plastic interior section of the door rather than unscrew, cut, then reattach the gasket mounting?
Well, actually both pin and ball lock disconnects come in tall and short--so that's not the best way to differentiate them. Pin lock literally has pins that protrude from the base of the post, whereas ball lock does not. It's all in how the disconnect attaches to the post, not the color or height of the disconnect (though that will help you differentiate between gas in and beverage out.
Great Job!!! I just did the same thing to a 4.3 cu ft fridge, (chosen only due to lack of space in my basement bar). Only difference, I had no freezer. So I have to ask, have you tested how well or how long it takes the fridge to bring the temp down to serving temp?
Just wondering if a Pony keg (1/4 barrel ) would fit with the C02 Tank?
Nice job, I will be trying to do this next weekend.
Have you ever found out where the electrical and refrigerant lines are on your Magic Chef Kegerator conversion?? I am going to install a tower tap on my magic chef within the next couple of weeks and with my luck, I will hit both.... If you have seen specifications or diagrams, please share them. I have been able to find nothing on the web.
@PiperPilot140 Awesome! Yeah--with the door you don't have too much to worry about--it's the sides where you have to be careful. If you slice too deep and hit a coolant line, it can ruin the whole fridge. So when you convert yours--take your time and have a homebrew! :-)
@skyking1488 Nope--I just use two picnic taps I keep coiled on top of the kegs in the fridge. I then use the top of the fridge for a fermenter holder when I've got wine going.
@pachdaddy I didn't drill through anything in this video... If you're looking for tips on that, check some of the homebrew forums--I know there is one method where you make a paste with baking soda and then put it on the fridge where you'd like to drill--the areas with cooling lines will dry faster because they warm up. With this fridge, the shelf is the only cooling area, and I think the lines actually run through the sides rather than the top. I haven't drilled on it, so can't say for sure!
@aHalfaMongrel Nope--no condensation on the outside at all. I have noticed though that the cooling tray will build up ice on all its surfaces inside the fridge, so a periodic complete thawing/cleaning is definitely a must. Though--for a cheap as hell fridge and two kegs of perfectly cooled beer--it's well worth it!
It would have been tricky, because I needed that indentation in order to fit two corny's... Maybe if I had a panel and then had a way to indent it...
Question. I bent down the freezer section of mine and even on the lowest setting it still freezes the whole unit and frosts up the freezer section and the beer is freezing. Any thoughts?
Newfie Peter get a Temp controller
Newfie Peter What MrCbreakable said--a temperature controller is exactly what you need!
@brhoge You know, because the fridge has the cooling tray within the fridge, I highly doubt there will be lines running in the very top of the fridge. I'll try to follow that freon line as close as I can, but will probably do the baking soda test to see if anywhere on the top of the fridge is getting heated. But yeah--I'm thinking that because the cooling is occurring with that internal tray, there's probably no lines up at the top... If you wind up chopping away--please let me know!
Really nice job! I didn't think it was possible to do this, but it sure works fine. You could use this for fermentation in a keg, also!
@chris95069 LOL--soon, friend! I'm sure I'll shoot video of the first pouring from the kegs (I've had them now for about a month and haven't yet used them...) So needless to say, I'm excited. First pour, second pour, third pour, fourth....pour... Oh dear--that video might get a little rough around the edges... haha
For the freezer,did u just bend it down? Does it still freezing?