Chest Freezers; What they tell us about designing for X
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- This video is super cool. We're talking about refrigeration, and how the design of a refrigerator affects its energy consumption. Freezers are the perfect place to see this in action, so let's take a look!
I also made a follow-up video on the second channel with some other info I didn't talk about here! Go watch, if you like;
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OK, comment-pinning time!
I want to address the whole full-vs-empty fridge aside because I appear to have understood this differently than many people and it illustrates a problem in the video. Lots of people are saying things along the lines of "I thought the point of a full fridge was to minimize the amount of air inside so opening it causes less heat loss." Similar to the whole thermal mass reasoning (which is where I was coming from), this doesn't really matter in the long run. Which of course runs counter to the idea that chest freezers are helped by the fact they have a lid and not a door. So let's talk about that.
The thermal mass of air is tiny compared to any solid or liquid substance. So even if you exchange the entire volume of air in the fridge or freezer when you open it, once it's shut the new air will rapidly cool thanks to the cold walls, shelves, and of course food. That's why the freezer door gets sucked in. This does introduce some quantity of heat, yes, and in theory if you had more stuff in the fridge less heat would be introduced. But honestly I think this quantity of heat is mostly negligible, and I regret not making that clear in the script. I think that the heat introduced from opening the doors a few times is minimal compared to an entire day's worth of natural heat intrusion.
Chest freezers do get some help from the fact that they're sort of "never opened" but I think that more important than even that is simply their massive amounts of insulation compared to a refrigerator. I actually talked more in depth about this in a follow-up video, which you can find here; th-cam.com/video/CRBWPbqvqvw/w-d-xo.html
(edited to add;) Having thought through it some more, I imagine the greatest benefit of having the lid on the top is that the cold air isn't being held back by a thin door seal as it is in an upright freezer. I really should get a thermal camera!
You have the best channel on youtube.
I think your point still stands that not exchanging the air in a chest freezer everytime you open the lid means much less ice buildup
You can see this in action in grocery stores, where the meat cases usually have open tops. The heat gain from atmosphere is manageable and relatively easy to control, as long as the meat on display and the display rack itself remains chilled.
keep in mind "chest freezers aren't opened as often as a refrigerator". the tags you see on appliances are based on "actual usage", and the testing involves opening and closing the door "several times a day", thus losing some cold air in the process every time. chest freezers also have usage simulations that involve "opening and closing the lid much fewer times a day than a refrigerator".
@Matthew Palmer Yes that much is true! And really it's quite a remarkable difference, at least in my experience.
It's funny because in France, a "french door" fridge is called an "american fridge".
Yep, same in Italy, they're called American fridges
I think that's the same everywhere in Europe
Kind of related and unrelated question at the same time. What is a French Pudel called in French?
Whats the regular single door type called?
Is it a relict of Alibert bathroom cabinets?
This channel is basically "in depth facts about mundane things I thought I didn't care about but actually do because it's surprisingly interesting". I'm glad I have this channel while in lockdown.
He's our saviour
Give this man a prize. This is the most accurate description of the channel
You should read/listen to "At Home" by Bill Bryson. It's theme is sort of the history of the mundane.
Before TH-cam we used to get this sort of thing on TV th-cam.com/video/sa7o49uOzVI/w-d-xo.html
If you think this chest freezer piece is engaging then just wait until you hit the toaster video!
A good organization trick for chest freezers is to use reusable fabric shopping bags of varying colors to organize your food into the bags. Keep a key to what is in each bag taped to the top of the freezer.
I wonder if Command hooks would stick to the inside of a chest freezer to hold baskets or bags for those smaller items.
@@kathleenlong79 No need. You can get free standing wire shelves for chest freezers. Mine has 3 shelves and I just put it in the bottom. Be sure to measure twice first before you buy one.
My chest freezer has three of those plastic bins that hang from the side rails. It makes it easy to separate the food into two tiers: Bottom and top.
@@Sidicas lemme guess... speaking from experience?
So the kids wouldn't just take what they like and toss the rest around, I made my "key" in ogham.
This video was, without exaggeration, the final straw in buying a chest freezer myself, and I've been most happy with it since.
Do you also have a leaf blower?
@@martyhalloway7935good one I hate upright freezers the shelves are permanently placed because of the cooling coils. You can't go wrong with a chest freezer. 73
future viewer here, I'm omw to explain why we need a freezer to my wife
What specific brand model did you buy? I am shopping.
As a PhD in engineering, who took many (too many) thermodynamics classes, i think you're better at teaching the basics of thermo than most of my professors.
As someone with a thermo 2 test in 8 hours, I feel your pain.
I hadn't found a teacher explain it better than the book until I was a TA for a thermo class in grad school. The main professor for that class was a lot better at teaching than any previous thermo professor I had.
@@moejoe987654321 how did it go?
Pretty good. I probably got ~85. Per usual I focused on the more difficult concepts and blanked on an easy question.
@@moejoe987654321 Grats brother
"put the cans in the cooler and... Close the lid"
I sense some latent irritation that too many people like to leave the lid open
I'm in a boy scout troop, and now that i think about it, he seems like the kind of person that was a boy scout. Anyways, whenever we went camping, and had the entire weekends food in it, no one would ever close the cooler lid. once, food actually spoiled, and all we had was poptarts for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
If you have kids and go camping then you are constantly yelling to close the lid.
That's no way to refer to women!
@@cstyled stfu
People are often dumb without realizing they are dumb. When you point out something that they do that even they agree is dumb, they tend to become aware and will over time correct it, making them less dumb.
Between my house's dishwasher that only takes those packets and our fancy-ass, French-door + pullout freezer, this channel is exposing all the inefficiency in my kitchen that i'd never before questioned. Thanks, Tech Connect!
I am almost certain that you can use powder/liquid detergent in your dishwasher.
@@OneOddFellow no spot for a pre rinse cycle. You can just pour it in the drum though.
When I started watching this video, I never imagined I'd see footage of someone using a leaf blower to blast warm air into a chest freezer. This channel never ceases to amaze me.
I think he just discovered the fastest chest freezer liner defrost method ever.
@@Sidicas When my grandmother passed away, we found a bag of peas preserved in the 3 inches of ice that had built up on the bottom of her chest freezer, which had an expiration date of 1989. This was in 2019. We treated it like finding a caveman preserved in a glacier.
Alec also explained the pressure difference in freezer doors id always wondered about as a kid.
I never thought I'd see a video of someone with an old iMac and other junk in his basement window well.
"But on the other hand..."
Content of this quality simply isn't available on TV. I love this channel.
Television content often has fairly high _production_ quality. Technical stuff, like the lighting and camera work, is often really good.
Such a shame about the writing.
(I haven't watched television since August of 2000, when a storm blew our antenna out of whack; we never bothered to fix it. I don't miss it.)
@@jonadabtheunsightly You're not missing anything. Educational content particularly has gotten worse.
Educational content actually has got worse on TV shows. I used to watch ton of informative shows when I was around 8. Usually on well-informed Physics, now I am 19, all I get to see is some stree/pop scientist amaze people by stupid things
@@cortexauth4094 love the old content of science, like for example, entertaining tv shows "how its made".... Its not aiming to be the truest physics work education, but its still educate you anyway... the thing is i think the reason why there's so few educational program again is tv program don't bother to ask or hire good science teacher or something like that to create tv shows, because it seem, tv watcher less likely to watch it.. or think its not entertaining...
@The Curious Mind same age, same experience.
"If you have a leafblower and a chest freezer" sounds like the ravings of a madman and i love it.
The safe-word is"Freon."
@@MrKyltpzyxm I was thinking of something more along the lines of, "Welcome, Clarice..."
I'd go one step further and say... hair dryer! muhahaha
I would do that but since my leaf blowers are gasoline powered, that's really not a good idea.
I've had an upright freezer and a chest freezer-personally I prefer digging down to the bottom of a box rather than to the back of one, as things are less likely to fall out on the floor.
Gloves are a good idea either way.
There's NOTHING like a 40 pound turkey as hard as a chunk of granite just rolling out of the shelf and ONTO YOUR FOOT... to let you know how BAD an idea it is to have an upright freezer with shelves... full of coolant tubes... and encrusted with ice... as slick as vaseline on glass. ;o)
I forgot what there called but the things on a hatch back car door that hold it open could probably be used in a upright freezer to bring up a metal cage with shelves. You wouldn’t have to dig around for things and you would keep the energy efficiency.
@@kylesmith4173 hydraulics typically
@@kylesmith4173 That is an excellent idea!
My chest freezer has three of those plastic bins that hang from the side rails. It makes it easy to separate the food into two tiers: Bottom and top.
Thank you so much for this! I am a very cheap bastard. I have lived my entire adult life in China, most of my friends growing up in very poor areas. My 20 years here have taught me to calculate the cost of appliances. Something that majority of the people don't think about here. I'm planning on moving back to Canada soon and your video has given me hope, that I can continue to be a cheap bastard and still live a normal life. I love all your videos and your humour is exceptional.
I installed gas turbine power plants all around the world for General Electric Company many years ago. I appreciate true poverty, shortages of things and unreliable grid power and swore that I would never complain about life in California. Now we are having an unreliable grid and have shortages of things. And cheap.....I'm definitely not cheap but consider myself frugal, not wasteful, and have had a low energy consumption footprint for the last 40 years. I was in Tung Hsiao, Taiwan, when Mount Saint Helens erupted, never got to mainland China.
my takeaway is that we should start making efficient ovens that are stuck on the ceiling and open from the bottom.
Pretty much commercial ovens are like that :P
Would be quite useless as most of the time when u open your oven (and take out your food) you will not be using it after so it can just cool down
@@hinkeltwister7311 Your oven isn't constantly on? Sounds like you are doing it wrong.
@@hinkeltwister7311 That is an excellent point!
There's a reason why, traditionally, the bedrooms in a 2-storey house are located on the upper floor.... :)
"There's a sweet spot to be found"
Oh, I know where this is going... 45 degree angle freezers!
Why not put a whole shelf into a chest freezer and have it lift out along with the lid? If you now make a fortune with this, be fair and share :D
@@A.Lifecraft Because you would then be introducing all the stuff to the hotter air, then pushing all that hotter air into the chest, completely defeating the purpose.
all about 45º angle fridge/freezer tbh, try that one
Underrated comment
@@A.Lifecraft I was thinking something similar, but rather with a few vertical racks that could be pulled/lowered manually after the freezer is opened. Racks would allow the warm air that gets sucked in to be pushed out easily (rather than being trapped inside), and would mean that things set on the top shelf of the rack would be immediately accessible without disturbing things at all. It might not be as perfectly energy-efficient as the jumble-box design, but it still seems like it'd beat the vertical design by a landslide.
One of the things I found to help with “things stacked on top of things” is having a smaller variety of items in the chest freezer and more variety in the upright fridge/freezer. I find that if I have 5 or 10 of each item, I’m not digging for them as often.
I'm a refrigeration engineer, and I do a lot of thermal FEA simulation for heat gain and external condensation performance. For the bit where you were speaking of different configurations having similar internal volume, but different energy consumption values. There are some reasons such as the machine compartment, which can be 10°F greater than the ambient air, being directly adjacent to the freezer compartment on a bottom freezer. Also, the evaporator fan also has a more difficult time forcing air into a fresh food compartment above, rather than forcing air downward as in a top freezer. These are impactful, and certainly design considerations are made with this knowledge, but by far the largest factor is the DOE energy standard. Energy requirements are not just a simple formula for how much energy usage per unit internal volume across the board. The value for allowable energy per internal volume differs based on the compartment type (freezer vs. fresh food) as well as configuration (top freezer, bottom freezer, side by side, etc.). As you noticed, the allowable energy consumption per DOE is less for a top freezer as compared to a bottom freezer. Most refrigerators are designed to an energy standard, be that DOE standard energy or energy star, then internal volume is optimized to meet that standard.
4:00 A cold can of La Croix is devoid of both energy AND flavor.
Ouch.
Also correct.
I want this to be the most liked comment on this video XD
Cardboard boxes on the other hand...
@@bdijkstra1982 warmer, more flavorful, AND has so much of that healthy Fiber Stuff.
I don't get all the hate for La Croix. It's easily the best flavored water I've come across.
"...even more longerer."
That pop sound you heard in the distance was your exploding english teacher xD
I love mangling the language. Not so much puns, but putting them together following the rules in ill advised ways.
It many much fun
it instantly made me think of Jay Foreman, and that's not a bad thing.
Good video. As I am a developer for thermodynamic systems in fridge I barely have anything to object. Comparing a top freezer to a bottom freezer makes not much sense. The French door is so much inefficient due to an electrical heater preventing condensation between the doors. 10-30% overall depending on the model. Manual defrost models of bottom mounted freezers are quite common in Europe btw. I defrost my Bosch every 2 years.
I defrost my fridge + top-mounted freezer every time I'm away for a couple of days (2-3 times a year). Now wondering if it would be more energy saving to just let it run (even if empty), as long as there's no ice on the walls. I should measure and compare that next time. Interesting video!
Off gridders have been using chest freezers + a thermal switch to convert chest freezers into refrigerators for years. Just put the thermal sensor inside the freezer, turn the freezer on high, plug it into the thermal switch, and set the thermal switch to the temp you want. The freezer is always calling for more cold, but the thermal switch doesn't give it power till the temp rises above the temp you set.
“The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things”. Best Monty Python reference I’ve heard in a while.
It's even better if you turn on subtitles. He has spaced them such that the two "Things" are on top of each other.
I actually forgot that was a Monty Python joke until I saw your comment.
But on a side note: Put the chest freezer on rollers and slide it under a shelving unit. Suddenly you're not wasting as much space because you roll it out, grab what you need, and roll it back.
Yes!
The "and more power to them" pun is perfection, underrated comedy right there folks!
And I was like: WATT do you mean?
@@SushiElemental you Volted right up there.
Hmm. Dad jokes from a single guy. At least, I assume so.
@@ChrisB600 Why would you assume so. Also, What's wrong with a single guy using dad jokes?
@@savoytruffles The original comment references a joke, and both the other replies to it *are* jokes - can you not infer I'm joking too?
"Assuming" Alec is single because I have never heard any specific references to anyone else in the household. Yes, that was jumping to a conclusion, and no, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously in any way.
And who said there was anything wrong with a single guy making dad jokes?
Sheez, lighten up.
I was intrigued when I first plugged my chest freezer into a meter: I thought it was malfunctioning. Glad to have found this video. Definitely want to know more about it.
i live in an off-grid tiny home, and i have used a chest fridge for almost 2 years now (a *KICKASS* ARB 63 quart portable fridge now, and a somewhat janky icego GO20 before that) and i love them! they use hardly any energy, keeping a surprising amount of food surprisingly cool, effortlessly.
How does it feel to live my dream? 🤔
@@rebeccaspratling2865 lol, funny you ask that!...i'm actually thinking to move into an apartment. :/ tiny house life is a little alienating, unfortunately. :( peace
20:33
This dude's humor is so good man. It's just the right amount of cheesy and self-aware that always gets me, not to mention it tends to be very subtle. I didn't even catch this joke the first time I watched this vid. Anyway, I already liked this video but I wanted to give him even more recognition so here's my comment.
Please, never stop doing what you do.
That joke there was probably the most cringe but I like most of them.
Non-native woosh here. What's the deal? Can anyone please explain
@@thorbergson he says "but on the other hand, is it really?" And he has written with marker on his "other hand": "MAYBE" :)
@@homeec119 hahhaha turns out it's not about the language but simply having ones eyes open, thank you!
Repeats at 24:19
This is like the 4th episodes on refrigerant and condensers. I have to commend you for your consistency in explain heat pumps.
@SLAMO whoosh.....
I can't believe I just discovered this channel. It's amazing.
@@eeHMFIC woooooooooooooshut up that hasn't been funny for like 6 years, either explain the joke, or scroll past
@@bubbly6379 just because your personal amusement isn't piqued doesn't mean it isn't funny; it's just not to you. I'd normally agree with you about explaining, but explaining a joke does ruin it and this one is particularly clever and deserves to just exist, imo.
@@eeHMFIC dude its not funny anymore
I've though this a lot and I'm sure I said it before, but your channel is amazing. You're the reason we bought a 15cu.ft. Chest freezer and it's been REALLY helpful during the price gouging that's currently happening. Thanks!
3:37 idk why this made me laugh so hard *abruptly* "I'm gonna put this down..."
"Assuming you have some storage"
Fun fact. You can use a freezer AS electric storage. If when energy production is high you over cool the freezer, that is make it even colder than normal, then when production drops off you can allow the freezer to warm back up to normal temperature and not use the heat pump during that time. That essentially means the running of the heat pump later came be done earlier, which is equivalent to storing the power to use later. There are some huge industrial freezers that do this to save energy by working overtime when power is cheap and demand is low to help reduce grid stress and "store" power for later.
@@A.Martin A relative of mine who live in florida has an AC system like this, during the night it super cools a large insulated container of some kind of anti-freeze liquid that it is used to cool the heat exchanger during the day
Neat, you piqued my interest. I'd like to see a comparison of price and efficiency vs. a battery.
@@spareiChan What a clever idea!
@@PaulFillmoreIII between that, swamp cooler unit and thermal heating panels to replace most of the water heaters job it really does cut their bill down.
Sounds like the reverse of "storage heaters" where they heat-up the bricks inside using the cheaper "evening rate" (Economy 7 or Economy 10) electric, then release it during the day
Chest Freezer Tip: Use milk crates to organize items in your freezer. Makes it a lot easier to find what you are looking for, plus it's simple to get to items at the bottom of the freezer.
Genius! Thank you. 🙏
i wonder if a conveyer belt system could be used to separate the chest space into two levels with two layers of container boxes sized so they can be conveyer-ed from lower level to upper level...
Hi I just found your channel the other day while searching for humidifiers and I'm so glad. Thanks so much for making them and sharing all this fun practical knowledge!
The amount of info in these videos are incredible. I'm seriously impressed, pretty much all your videos are like this (well thought out, informative and funny).
"If you've got a chest freezer and a leaf blower, try this at home, it's fun"
So anyway my mom kicked me out of the house.
Clearly your mum doesn't know how to have fun. Perhaps you could show her the SpongeBob episode with the leaf blower. She'll probably beg you to move back in as long as you bring your leaf blower.
is this real?
ur mum's crazy anyway
who tf keeps leaves in the freezer
@@Aragubas nothing on the internet is real
@@klystron2010 had us in the first half not gonna lie
By this logic, ovens should also be chests, but mounted on the ceiling
doable
God, I love this channel.
Shouldn't it be: "With this logic..."?
@@Really14301 No, but I can’t really articulate why we use “by” like that in English.
But gravity’s an evil monster which keeps us buying expensive, fragile electroniques.
Thank you for another great video; always fun to watch. My former refrigerator was a GE Profile, bottom freezer drawer with the dual zone compressor, no in-door ice maker. It was a wonderful unit and the Kill-a-watt confirmed it was very efficient. But with great frills comes great fails, as proved when it had a problem 7 years in. No repair service available meant I had a very expensive wall locker. I ended up going with a similar, fewer frills, replacement that costs $1 more a month to run. I hated using more electricity, but it can run for 140 years for the purchase cost difference.
Funny sequence of events... I found you because I was searching for information on heat pumps. I watched that video a few months back, fell in love with your explanations, and have worked my way through the algorithm's recommendations of your videos. And now I come across this video where you mention that there's a video on refrigeration you've been meaning to make. So I just want to tell past you that you eventually do make the video!!!
"There is a sweet spot to be found."
So the true face of peak performance is a diagonal freezer.
well, it worked for mario...
Why not just pump the cold air out, let the user do his things and then pump the cold air back in? Pouring the air might make more sense.
@@mik13ST That would need more power and in the end itwould cost around the same, aybe even more.
@@Liriq No no, its simple, we increase gravity when the chest freezer is open!
@@Harey0407 there's an even easier solution. Turn off gravity while the freezer is open! No gravity means that cold air won't sink, so you can get the best of both worlds with a vertical freezer that's as efficient as a chest freezer!
In high school, I had to do a report on what I thought was the most important innovation to come out of the industrial revolution. I chose refrigeration which I recall most of my classmates thought was boring and unimportant. I still think it was a good choice.
Great video. Love this kind of information.
yeah you hit the nail on the head the world wouldn't be anything like it is now without it
Well a printer would also be very helpful xD
Greg indeed. We wouldn’t be anywhere close to where we are today without efficient means of long-term food storage.
You should have given then a glass of warm squash and then ate an ice lolly and said here's what you could of had LOL
@@asificam1 not engines but turbines
im glad i went back and watched this!! intuitively, i guess i'd assumed that more expensive or popular refrigerators and freezers were inherently more efficient despite wanting the cold-hole storing capabilities of a chest freezer! i will keep this in mind thank you
Excellent presentation and thought leadership with humor as usual. Nice work and love the themed background for every video.
Best channel on youtube.I've got a degree in Physics 60 years ago,and learning more from this young man each time I watch him.Better than TV.Thank you.
Yes he’s brilliant! I’ve never thought about the fridge door suction phenomenon… and now it all makes sense and suddenly has become interesting. Warm air replaces cold, loses energy and shrinks, pressure difference is created.
You're a very wise gent, you know that we never stop learning. Cheeers. This comment warmed my icy heart.
TV… You setting a low bar. Every thing can beat the TV.
Why are you not putting in space after punctuation?
@@Gismo3333 I liked Dan Bairds explanation of punctuation better.
My Engineering Physics degree was ~42 years ago.
I'm 63 years old and It pleases me tremendously to see real science and critical thinking still shown on TH-cam
By this channel. It's not on TV. Or Social Media. CV19 debacle has proven to me that those skills are nearly gone.
They are not being taught in HS or College any more.
Cognitive Dissonance is a drain on creativity and the joy of learning about how the world works.
Unfortunately, I think that's the plan of psychopathic people who now oversee the "system".
C'est la Vie.
When my family got a bottom freezer they told me it was more efficient to have the freezer on the bottom. Since that became the trend I assumed it was true. When I bought my house it came with a bottom freezer. I was looking to replace it with the same kind, but now I’ll consider broader options now that you have made me a better informed consumer.
It allows them to make a nice drawer for everything, meaning most of the cool air can remain inside in the plastic buckets everything sits in.
It does make it more efficient - for humans. Having heavy blocks of very cold boxes fall on the floor or your foot from 4-5 feet high leads to inefficient things like casts, braces, crutches, doctor visits, etc.And reaching down for something is usually easier for the elderly as well.
I love that sarcasm.
@@user-tm3fz7qx3s I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. More of just altering the use of the term 'efficient' from 'electrically efficient' to 'user efficient' to make the OP's statement correct.
The bottom freezer being easier to use for the elderly in our household is presicely why we got a bottom freezer unit at the time.
You get into the refrigerator more often too.
Great video, I always enjoy your insights into seemingly mundane topics. In case it hasn’t been mentioned in the previous thousands of comments which I am admittedly too lazy to do more than quickly scan through, I just wanted to let you know for future reference- the term heat pump is generally reserved for a device whose useful work is the heat output. While all vapor compression devices could be used to move heat for a useful purpose in theory, a freezer does not put that heat into a used purpose, rather it dumps it into the space so it would not be considered a heat pump. It’s a picky differentiation and doesn’t really matter for the purpose of this video but in the interest of sharing knowledge I wanted to bring it up. Source: I am an engineer in the HVAC industry.
I love all the old electronic junk you can see through the window in the scenes of the chest freezer
Hey, uh, so apologies to all of you who use Celsius (as you should) but since we're talking about refrigerators and freezers, well hopefully you know about what those temperatures should be.
IDC about the inefficiency; freezers should run at -40 to eliminate any confusion.
Well, to my calculations, your measurements converted to SI-Units turned out to be the following for Freezers: Size D-Cup and a Duck for Refridgerators...
@@nekolalia3389 You mean 233.15 kelvins? 🤣
Also, I wonder why the USA never fought back Europe in terms of 'New fangled measurements' by introducing the Decimal Time system? :D
Yeah we get it, it can't be easy remembering to put everything in both SI units and the random junk units scraped together from all over the place.
Fun fact : French doors refrigerators are called "Réfrigérateurs américains" in France.
I was hoping for a Refrigerateurs royal
@@JasonStevens Nope, only works for burgers !
In the UK they are called American Style which is kinda ironic now I know what they are called in the states.
Same in Denmark. Double door fridge is "american". The SUVs of refrigerators.
I guess pedantic posh designers in France don't have the option of using French to sound more sophisticated.
25:40 Manual-defrost fridges do exist; my mother has had one for at least 15 years, and it's still going. We're both from Eastern Europe; things are _different_ here.
Once you have a defrosting freezer you never want to go back!
Yes, an entire icemaker lives in the door of the bottome freezer door fridge, you can see the release on the inside of the door to the left. They are LOADS of fun to work on! on the plus side, the whole....hole in the door issue is probably much less of an issue since it only leads to the ice maker compartment.
“More power to them.” This whole video, for one pun.
Damn it, spoiled it for me. Yuk yuk yuk.
"The entire reason we have energy guides in the first place is to encourage consumers to make the more frugal choice, both for their wallet, and for the environment. If there is anything I suggest we do change, it would be that we make focusing on that label just a little bit... *cooler* ".
Ba-dum tss
That pun flew over my head, but english is just my second language, so I think my brain uses more processing power to decode english and some things I wouldn't miss in portuguese (my native language) I do in english. Oh well, we can't win all the time.
A cool fact (no pun intended): freezer is "freezer" in portuguese too, but fridge is "geladeira" (it comes from the word for ice - "gelo") and refrigerator is almost the same, "refrigerador".
"...for people who are off the grid, in which case, *more power to them"*
damnit Technology Connections
Your channel has been very helpful for me while I outfit my tiny solar-powered house with efficient little electronics. Thanks!
If you ever start up a merch store, I would like to request an 'Entropy's a pernicious little monster.' T-shirt or mug.
"Food Netflix" - a term coined April 7th 2020, Technology Connections
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I wasn't sure if I heard that right :)
My fridge is more like Food Tv....full of re-runs
"I'm not watching a 26 minute video on freezers"
26 minutes later...
What has isolation done to me?
It at least says something about your quality of videos, so kudos.
@Gryffin DarkBreed Or the one about painting Christmas lights.
Watch all the ones about discs. Those videos get so shiny so fast. It's visually delicious.
I don't even need isolation... 🙄
I dunno, this has been the highlight of my week 😳
Isolation? More like insulation am I right?
Nice video, clear and informative! The key factor for real life energy consumption of a refrigerator is ambient temperature. Living in a colder climate if you place the cooling appliance in the garage (or any unheated area of your home) this will significantly reduce the energy consumption year round. But please note a fridge/freezer with a mechanical thermostat located in the fridge does need to operate at room temperature.
Your message is so brilliant. Thanks for doing what you do!
"These unassuming white basement boxes of last year's turkey and grandma's popsicles"
How did he describe them so perfectly?
I have never heard ANYONE say, "Hey, let's use a leaf blower to blow air into our freezer." ROTFL
its probably the last time too haha
And you hardly ever hear: "Try this at home; it's fun!"
right? i think a hairdryer would have got the point across better, haha
@@milapartment A hairdryer heats up the air it's blowing, a leaf blower just moves air.
I really appreciate your informative and excellently narrated videos. Your jokes and posturing are hilarious. Thank you for your videos and all of your content.
I really enjoy your videos. You present some very complex facts and principles in a very simple and witty way. I have learnt so much frome your videos about things we take it for granted.
"How's quarantine going for you?"
"Oh you know, I'm just staying inside even more longerer"
Right? Is there a way to get even more inside than you were in the beginning?
Ah yes “it’s isn’t not”
When you not sure if "even more longer" is correct
*Even more longerer*
*Ahem* *Technicalllllyyy* It should be even more longerrrrrrrrrrrr.
Evener morer longererer. HTH.HAND.
*Even* *more* *longererer*
Akshully, it's 'even manyer long'
@@PhilRennie Not "It's". Should be "They's" fewer short.
You single-handidly the best source of information in this genre. I enjoy them.
There was a mention of chest coolers. I happen to have a chest freezer that out of the factory had a setting on it's thermostat to keep it around 2-5 degrees C. I think it's identical size to the one in the video... I used it for a few years as a fridge/cooler with the occasional boost to get the beer cold faster. Yes, it was an effort to have a very energy efficient small house. And no, you do not need to keep eggs inside a fridge if you have a decent pantry, that's not heated. :) Back to the fridge: As it was opened more frequently than the usual freezer and it was not freezing, there was issue with condensation, that of course all went to the bottom. Cleaning it out really sucked. So using it as a cooler has a lot of drawbacks, but yes, energy consumption was definitely not one of them. Great content, thanks a lot!
him - "I'm sure you've used one of these before."
me - "That's a cooler!"
him - "It's a cooler."
me - :D
Why does this make me so happy I wonder? It seems kind of like how when child gets excited at mundane things you feel strangely content.
This comment made my day
In Australia we call them Eski's.
In this house we call them friends
I can't help but picture Special Ed from the show Crank Yankers. "YAAAAAAY"
there's just something so delightful and calming about watching you get excited about household electronics
Quote from user leeeah on his twinkling light set video: "forever entertained by this guy's outrageously specific opinions on tech items most people never even think about
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This channel just popped up in my recommendations and I'm glad it did. He is interesting and obviously well informed on the topics he chooses to make his videos on. I also really enjoy him. Lol. I like his mannerisms and cadence of his speech. Very relaxing, so if I want to nap his videos are soothing and long enough that I can slowly doze off but his videos are also very informative and make the everyday mundane things we use or do actually interesting and therefore easy to watch and understand. So the videos themselves aren't what makes a sleepy Jennifer. I can easily fall down rabbit's hole and while away a couple hours learning. Which has been one of the best ways I've chosen to spend my quarantine time, along with learning about the cosmos and astronomy, (I've actually just purchased my first telescope and I found Jupiter. I could see all the bands of color but not the giant storm eye yet). I've also jumped feet first into marine biology. Tho fascinating, that topic often ends up leaving me sad and very disappointed with certain members of our species. So those have to be watched on a good day, cuz they just make a bad day worse and we already have the pandemic and really stupid politicians doing that particular job for us, smashingly.
Though I haven't caught his name yet, I would still like to say thank you. It's never occurred to me to research any of the everyday items and luxuries that we have at our disposal on a daily basis but this channel has gotten me interested in them. It's really interesting how the mechanics of it all works and I'm looking forward to going thru your video catalogue for curiosity and some times as a sleep aid to drown out nonsense noises, relax myself and get a restful, refreshing nights sleep. No nightmare inducing content here to mess up a good sleep and who knows, maybe my subconscious is picking up some of the info he is throwing down, lol. Thanks again. 10 out of 10. Would recommend. 🤓👏👍
I recently bough stackable baskets for my chest freezer and they make it so much easier to access everything.
"Is there an entire ice maker inside the door?"
YES! My dad has that exact fridge you showed! The ice maker (and ice bin) are comically tiny and inside the door. The engineering involved is frankly incredible.
And the ice melts easily and freezes into a lump due to the whole plastic flap thing.
@@A.Martin Kind of , the ice maker door is thicker overall, there are also air ducts through the walls and a fan motor just for the ice maker adding to inefficiency.
I have a similar model that has a separate ice maker in the fridge space in the top, not built in to the door.
It does have another ice maker in the freezer drawer though that gets used about 5x more often.
Yeah, our ice maker is also in the roof of the fridge, and spits the ice into a bin in the door when it's closed. No idea how efficient this is, but it's been going strong for a while . . .
So does mine, one year later he was using dollar store trays for ice in the freezer after an $800 estimate to fix it. $2000 fridge make ice the same as the cheap one now.
- Humans: Screw you entropy!
- Entropy: I’ll wait.
Technically the freezer just moves the point of entropy to the generator. But as you say, entropy of sure to have the last laugh.
I subbed maybe a year ago but didn't end up watching many videos for some reason (other priorities/distracted mind ig) but now for the past week or so I've been on a binge and it has been very interesting, thanks TC!
This video made me realise how impractical it is to have chests full of stuff in Minecraft or any other RPG
Just like in Minecraft where you’d have to look for what you wanted
_looks at the mini chests from the Expanded Storage mod_
I’m on lockdown and just watched a guy talk about refrigerators for 27 minutes.
And I liked it.
He's just wonderful and this beats nearly any Netflix series
He makes a short story long, and he adds a whole lot of details that I wasn't looking for - but I watched the whole blessed video because it was interesting! And I learned something!
One of us. One of us.
There's a pill for that.
Welcome to Technology Connections. The educational channel that teaches you informative things about technology.
Most TH-cam videos: “Do not try this at home”
This video: “You should try this at home
Literally like 5% of all the videos on TH-cam (that are craft tutorials) bruh
"It's fun!"
OMFG!
I’ve always wondered why the door got stuck after you closed it!!
I love it when someone answer the question I didn’t ask!!!
Also I always enjoy your videos about older tech more than the stuff about latest developments. I would think it would be very 'cool' if you did a video series on the history of refrigeration, perhaps with some old freezers or fridges as practical examples?
"I guess Canada is just more optimistic"
Nope, just colder. Less tempurture differential means less energy. A chest freezer in the garage in the dead of winter consumes 0 kW.
True true, a 1500w freezer doesn't use 1500w when it's as cold as that, never thought about that
You don't need a fridge when the outside is a freezer. Important to remember durring a blackout or when you can't fit everything in you freezer for xmas/Thanksgiving when its snowing.
Coincidentally thats a major reason Britain has no* spices and therefore bland food. (Since spices are normally also preservatives)
@@jasonreed7522 Mate, we've colonised and gone to war with most of the planet to steal their spices, dating back to the middle ages! But judging by our classic pub foods, yeh it looks like they didn't exactly reach the general pesantry of the population. (Pub classics include stuff like steak and ale pie, a Sunday roast with yorkshires and gravy, bread and butter pudding etc. All good winter fodder). If I remember my history correctly, most meats were preserved with salt since it was more readily available as a local resource, though still not cheap by any stretch. And you're right that the colder weather in winter really helped with preserving food too. Luckily salted meats have fallen by the wayside in these modern times of refrigerant technology. And since spices are freely available to the massess, this leaves us Brits to feel mildly offended and overly defensive when our foodstuffs are called bland. Probably because despite knowing how to use said spices well in our meals, it strikes a little too close to home for our nation's favourite dishes and thus greatest sources of national culinary pride. Or, maybe that's just me.
Either way, this has reminded me that bread and butter pudding is a thing that exists and therefore needs making. Apologies for the pointless ramble too, I am very much in need of sleep right now which is probably why I'm pointlessly defending gravy from a historically accurate, relevant and genuinely interesting comment on a great video about how freezers work
Just realised that the end sentance there seems sarcastic reading it back. It isn't meant to be. I was going for self-deprication blended with a genuine expression of my thoughts on the surrounding context
In Sweden we call our pantry sometimes "Sval".They are connected near a wall to the outside with a ventilator at the top. It was designed in most homes built in the 70s.
You can use it as a free fridge when the outside temperature is below 8 Celsius. It cools the food and provide extra ventilation at the same time if you open the the valve at the top!
"feel free to comment about them, it'll boost engagement"
I like your self awareness. Here's a comment.
And another, for engagement.
Same
This is horrible!
(adding some variety)
Yup
THIS REPLY IS IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE NO TH-cam COMMENT THREAD WOULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT ONE.
Good to know, you wouldn’t think a bottom freezer would use more energy. Then again, I go into the freezer less than the fridge, so I think I’ll still look for one on the bottom. And who would have guessed a freezer uses less energy than a fridge. Another well done, informative episode.
wow
honestly the puns fit into the education portion excellently and it added to my understand and retention. Super great vid
24:15 I like how that label puts the energy usage at $42 on a scale of $46 to $46.
Hahaha wtf that's brilliant
Only thing I can think of is that there’s only one other model in this ones “class” so they can only compare it against that single value
No, actually, it’s the unelected, non-accountable government bureaucracy at work.
Does that mean you get a $4 rebate / year from the power utility LoL.
0:40 I like the old CRT and VCR looking in through the window from outside. It's like they are saying, "please, sir, let us back in!"
There's a pair of iMac G3s outside that window! And I want so bad to save them from being left outside.
MrStumblr that they are! Could chuck OpenBSD on them for a reasonable lightweight general-purpose computer. Not sure how easy it would be to sub a larger hard-drive in there though.
Here in Thailand there are manual defrosting fridges. There's a button you have to push whenever you want to defrost. There's a small bucket just above the compressor and by the time you need to defrost again the water should already have evaporated. But if you let the ice build up too much you'll need an extra bucket.
By the way, we don't call them French/American fridges. We call those "twin door fridges".
Anyway, awesome video as usual.
love these break downs and connections made!
"that makes the buzzy sound and makes the cool happen"
Engineering and physics at its best.
There is a sweet spot to be found between vertical and horizontal freezers: 45° angled freezers.
I really love your channel. This is exactly the kind of thing I wonder about.
"Entropy is a pernicious little monster." Right you are sir, right you are.
By George, I think he’s got it!
entropy always wins, as burning the fuel to create energy to keep you fridge orderly increases total entropy in the universe, despite decreasing it inside the fridge system. wish I could buy shares in entropy, it's a sure thing. .
that face during "I don't pass judgement, as much as I'd like to" was amazing, I love it.
he's one of the good ones
I'm going to steal that line!
Here you go:
23:51
"But on the other hand..." *shows his other hand with the answer of "Maybe" on it*
Absolutely brilliant. +100 points for showmanship.
Just the kind of real explanation I was looking for. Thank you.
15:35 I can't get over how amazed and impressed that woman seems to be by that empty fridge
20:10
yes, there is an entire icemaker inside the fridge's door. it's sealed off to make things, well, cold, but otherwise it's just kinda sitting there in the door, chilling even
That's cool.
And the specific way that little handle actuates the latch to remove the whole unit from the internal compartment is really cool. LG has one of the best designs for an in-door icemaker, I wish TC wouldn't bash them so frivolously lol
@@SilencedMi5 That LG in-door icemaker was the bane of our existence for the past many years. If you have a busy house and use a lot of ice, the opening and closing of the door makes a little of the liquid water in the tray splash out, dribbling down into the ice bin, creating an ice dam. In order to free up the ice to dispense, you have to open that compartment and bang on the bin, letting all the heat from the room in the compartment, which glazes the ice over a little, allowing it to freeze back together solidly. Never ending cycle. --And the tray gets rough over time and stops releasing the ice, and is NOT A REPLACEABLE PART, maddeningly. --The ENTIRE icemaker has to be replaced to get a new tray. And that's not to mention the solenoid on the door flap, which failed on ours within the first year, and requires the entire front panel of the fridge to be removed to replace. It's a $7 part, but it breaks often (check the LG support forums), is poorly designed, and nearly impossible to access. We eventually just assisted and held open the flap with our fingers to get ice. When the linear compressor finally bit the dust (LOUDLY, and completely), we ruled out LG as a replacement, specifically because of this design of icemaker.
--Which is a shame, because I love the design and features of LG fridges over almost any other brand. They're just so slick.
Our new Samsung has a much more traditional icemaker compartment that doesn't move or fluctuate heat-wise, and has been solid and reliable so far. Fingers crossed. (but in reality, my friend who has a sub-zero says his icemaker is a piece of crap, and his high end purveyor of $20,000 fridges told him NOBODY makes a good reliable icemaker, period). It's just that, for us, the LG super slim in door icemaker life turned out to not be for us.
YMMV, of course--my friend, who has no kids, doesn't use a ton of ice, and only 2 people in the house, and says they rarely even open the left door, says she hasn't had any of the problems I listed above, and I can see how that would be. There are definite weaknesses to the design, but not every use case uncovers them all. I do suspect, however, that her door flap solenoid will go eventually. Since I've replaced one multiple times, I can tell you with certainty, that part isn't made for the long haul. It's anything but heavy duty.
THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS! shirt. Their first album was probably one of my favorite albums growing up.
YES!! I was halfway through the video when I realized his shirt was the TMBG album cover! I grew up listening to Flood.
I own a fridge with the bottom freezer part just because I was absolutely convinced it is a more energy efficient design and never actually bothered to check it! In my mind, because the cool air sinks to the bottom, the part that needs to battle outside temperature more (the freezer) will stay cooler longer. I am sure I am not the only one with such delusion. Thank you, as always, for educating me!
11:54: I always thought it snapped/pulled shut because of some hidden line of magnets imbedded in the door and door frame. I still thought this until just now.Congratulations, you taught me something new today.
"... as you browsed your food Netflix..."
This sent me rolling on floor
Actually that whooshing sound was me not getting that joke. Until I read your comment just now, and then thought about it a few seconds. And what I like about this channel is that he doesn't always *give* you a few seconds to get it.
me too!
im dying!
Thx . Professor, excellent presentation !
Great video!! Can't wait to see the follow-up!