Yeah, and unfortunately there's not really a way to simplify it beyond this. It's at least getting you aware of all the factors that go into it, maybe you're not ready to start tackling it all yet, BUT it at least gets you thinking and learning more quicker I think.
You are in the right place my friend! Luke is extremely knowledgeable. He also is surrounded by knowledgeable people and followers. I wish he had this kind of stuff when I started out 3 years ago. It may seem "techy" but understanding these "little" things make a HUGE difference. Can also save you a lot of money and headaches by watching his ball reviews. You can learn a lot about ball motion by watching his reviews. By far the best TH-camr when it comes to that.
Thanks so much for the last shots of what it looks like when the lanes are burned, and starting to burn up. This makes it so much easier, and shoes me what to look for. Please keep doing the Classroom Series..love it.
There’s lots of different lane panels. There’s 1. Brunswick Pro anvil 2. Brunswick Anvil 3. Amf qubica spl And there’s several other panels. I feel like when I go to some centers that have a 42 foot house pattern the spl hook more and why is because the panel finishing and the friction of the panel.
Add in different lane machines, oil, stripping solutions, maintenance on the lane machines, alongside lane surface and topography. Rarely does a pattern play the same center to center. Keep a notebook handy bc you'll need to keep tabs on what works where. Good stuff.
And rarely does a pattern play the same lane to lane! My friends definitely look at me funny when I tell them pairs 7-8 and 29-30 are my favorite but then practice starts and suddenly they see what I mean. And pair 5-6? Total opposite. It’s a highlight reel - a shot goes high, next one comes in light.
I currently bowl on 2 leagues at West Ridge, and 2 leagues at Gage. In general, I find Gage hooks overall way less... from a noobs point of view. Someone told me the house shot is slightly shorter there compared to West Ridge. Not sure how true that is. I do know that Gage, although having older equipment, has a new surface within the last few years. One thing I will say is, tonight I bowled at Gage and it felt completely different to the previous weeks (and a kid working there said the pattern hasn't changed). I believe it has to do with the humidity being lower this week, and also maybe related to all the fans being off. I had to really throw my ball straight up the boards.
I wrote this before watching the whole video (I just got excited because its at my home centers). You have much greater experience than me, but I'd say my comment is a perfect example of a less educated typical opinion.
This is the funny thing about perception, the house shot at Gage is actually several feet longer than it is at West Ridge. They’ve been trying to slow the backends down or produce a more playable shot because of how quick it normally is. You’re right though, there’s a million different factors that can go into it, so the tech and data people that try to make it mathematical only cause themselves problems because things can change for a ton of different reasons.
@@LukeRosdahl Whoops... that's actually what I meant. Slightly longer house shot at Gage. But, at the same time the sides seem either more dry, or have a wider dry area at Gage. Or, if I really think critically about things, maybe it's that the smoother new surface at Gage means the ball retains more rotation energy through the oil, and then grabs more at the sides of the lanes if you get over too early.... 🤷🤷🤷
I bowl in the Kansas City area and I’ve noticed a difference in lane surface. Retro bowl in Liberty is older, Lunar bowl in Blue Springs is newer and Gladstone bowl is somewhere in the middle. I bowl league at Gladstone and I see Parallax Effects come out first game. I use my Storm IQ Tour Pearl and it almost hockey sticks there.
I recently went to a newer bowling alley in Denver and I just couldn’t figure out the lane. All my shots kept curving way too early and and it almost felt like I didn’t have enough room to work with. Honestly I was really confused because I was doing my normal routine’s. What exactly could have been the issue here?
"...not something you can show on video." [Proceeds to show a perfect example on video]. Excellent video and I've already showed this to my wife and league buddies!
Yup. My primary house put in new, high friction lanes a couple of years ago, and I have to use low end stuff or urethane (which looks great). These lanes play like Wood 2.0. My secondary house installed used synthetics 10 years ago (so the lanes are likely 15-20 years old), and those lanes are like ice through the front, and skate through the back. The weak stuff I use at the other house are pretty much useless at house 2, unless you're playing straight up 5-10. Outside of my spare ball, I literally take 2 different bags depending on which house I'm bowling at.
Luke I am going to say that again, but thank you for posting these videos for the public while you could totally profit from it doing a subscription only content. Appreciate the effort!
Yeah, the condition is a factor, but I've done some really weird stuff in KC that shouldn't have made sense or worked because of what the graph said, but ended up doing well because I factored the surface in and met in the middle. Pros do this all the time, I think a lot of them just want to know like how long it is and then just pay attention to their ball reaction so they don't come in with any preconceived ideas.
Great video again. I've always had to take different bowling balls to different houses locally. When I go to an unfamiliar house I try to take a combination of bowling balls. It's also helpful if you can find out as much information about the place, and how old the lanes are. Thanks again for the videos
I was really excited when I was comparing my balls and I could actually tell one of them was burning up and one not hooking. I think knowing the difference is pretty big and all this is just really great to know and learn in general anyway. But starting from pretty novice to actually learning what to look for and all even when it's more obvious things to some people it feels really good. I remember the first time I noticed my ball just burned up where it went to hook and then just...didn't lol. It can be hard to put into words but it's like if you know you know.
Great video, I have been bowling in the kc metro area my whole life and I can attest to the fact most houses bowl vastly different. The main house i bowl in the heads are trash, ball looks like it's rolling uphill and falling back most nights, especially when the humidity is high. The owners dont bowl, dont know and maybe dont care. The preferred shot there is some combination of loft, speed, and straight up the boards. Another house they replace the first 30 feet of the lane every 5 years and my ball turns the corner like its running from the police and then hits like a stick of dynamite thrown in a metal garbage can . The owner is a bowler there.
The hardness thing is one of those things you can track though. When something is universally a lot more consistent than it should be, then you know you have an issue to deal with, and in this case, hardness WAS a problem, but there are so many other problems that go unaddressed, that's one of the bigger issues. Like why freak out about one thing when something else gets ignored . .
Lots of knowledge! Thank you!
I just started bowling and I appreciate these efforts. The information, while dense, is extremely helpful to a beginner.
Yeah, and unfortunately there's not really a way to simplify it beyond this. It's at least getting you aware of all the factors that go into it, maybe you're not ready to start tackling it all yet, BUT it at least gets you thinking and learning more quicker I think.
@@LukeRosdahl You are doing well to flatten the learning curve and lower the barrier to entry.
You are in the right place my friend! Luke is extremely knowledgeable. He also is surrounded by knowledgeable people and followers. I wish he had this kind of stuff when I started out 3 years ago. It may seem "techy" but understanding these "little" things make a HUGE difference. Can also save you a lot of money and headaches by watching his ball reviews. You can learn a lot about ball motion by watching his reviews. By far the best TH-camr when it comes to that.
@@LukeRosdahl have to say I love your getting back to you videos great job!
Thanks so much for the last shots of what it looks like when the lanes are burned, and starting to burn up.
This makes it so much easier, and shoes me what to look for.
Please keep doing the Classroom Series..love it.
There’s lots of different lane panels. There’s
1. Brunswick Pro anvil
2. Brunswick Anvil
3. Amf qubica spl
And there’s several other panels. I feel like when I go to some centers that have a 42 foot house pattern the spl hook more and why is because the panel finishing and the friction of the panel.
Awesome video
Add in different lane machines, oil, stripping solutions, maintenance on the lane machines, alongside lane surface and topography. Rarely does a pattern play the same center to center. Keep a notebook handy bc you'll need to keep tabs on what works where.
Good stuff.
Yeah definitely, the rabbit hole is as deep as you want to take it.
And rarely does a pattern play the same lane to lane! My friends definitely look at me funny when I tell them pairs 7-8 and 29-30 are my favorite but then practice starts and suddenly they see what I mean. And pair 5-6? Total opposite. It’s a highlight reel - a shot goes high, next one comes in light.
We still bowl on wood lanes where I bowl at so it makes adjusting more intense
Yeah that's a whole different animal
I really miss wood lanes. I grew up on them.
@@tonguetwista1313 I think it makes me a better bowler when I go to synthetic houses
@@atrout114wood lanes taught me how to be accurate, and hit my mark on a consistent basis.
I currently bowl on 2 leagues at West Ridge, and 2 leagues at Gage.
In general, I find Gage hooks overall way less... from a noobs point of view. Someone told me the house shot is slightly shorter there compared to West Ridge. Not sure how true that is. I do know that Gage, although having older equipment, has a new surface within the last few years.
One thing I will say is, tonight I bowled at Gage and it felt completely different to the previous weeks (and a kid working there said the pattern hasn't changed). I believe it has to do with the humidity being lower this week, and also maybe related to all the fans being off. I had to really throw my ball straight up the boards.
I wrote this before watching the whole video (I just got excited because its at my home centers). You have much greater experience than me, but I'd say my comment is a perfect example of a less educated typical opinion.
This is the funny thing about perception, the house shot at Gage is actually several feet longer than it is at West Ridge. They’ve been trying to slow the backends down or produce a more playable shot because of how quick it normally is. You’re right though, there’s a million different factors that can go into it, so the tech and data people that try to make it mathematical only cause themselves problems because things can change for a ton of different reasons.
@@LukeRosdahl Whoops... that's actually what I meant. Slightly longer house shot at Gage. But, at the same time the sides seem either more dry, or have a wider dry area at Gage. Or, if I really think critically about things, maybe it's that the smoother new surface at Gage means the ball retains more rotation energy through the oil, and then grabs more at the sides of the lanes if you get over too early.... 🤷🤷🤷
So many answers to so many problems!
I think I do better at West ridge lanes but I go to have because its cheaper on Saturdays
I bowl in the Kansas City area and I’ve noticed a difference in lane surface. Retro bowl in Liberty is older, Lunar bowl in Blue Springs is newer and Gladstone bowl is somewhere in the middle. I bowl league at Gladstone and I see Parallax Effects come out first game. I use my Storm IQ Tour Pearl and it almost hockey sticks there.
Glad you are putting this stuff out there.
I recently went to a newer bowling alley in Denver and I just couldn’t figure out the lane. All my shots kept curving way too early and and it almost felt like I didn’t have enough room to work with. Honestly I was really confused because I was doing my normal routine’s. What exactly could have been the issue here?
Sounds like just not enough oil on the lane, or they hadn't been run recently.
"...not something you can show on video." [Proceeds to show a perfect example on video]. Excellent video and I've already showed this to my wife and league buddies!
I tried lol . . thanks!
🤯 Everytime I think I get it here comes more things to consider.
Another great video Professor!
I took me to 4:51 before I realized “these are all righty…?” You must be trying to make a point.
Ok starting video over TH-cam Coach!
Lol I just didn’t have any West Ridge and Gage footage lefty . .
More Great stuff
Yup. My primary house put in new, high friction lanes a couple of years ago, and I have to use low end stuff or urethane (which looks great). These lanes play like Wood 2.0. My secondary house installed used synthetics 10 years ago (so the lanes are likely 15-20 years old), and those lanes are like ice through the front, and skate through the back. The weak stuff I use at the other house are pretty much useless at house 2, unless you're playing straight up 5-10. Outside of my spare ball, I literally take 2 different bags depending on which house I'm bowling at.
Luke I am going to say that again, but thank you for posting these videos for the public while you could totally profit from it doing a subscription only content. Appreciate the effort!
In resume, friction in bowling may not make any sense so you need to previously know what looks best in a center so you can be kinda prepared.
Yeah, the condition is a factor, but I've done some really weird stuff in KC that shouldn't have made sense or worked because of what the graph said, but ended up doing well because I factored the surface in and met in the middle. Pros do this all the time, I think a lot of them just want to know like how long it is and then just pay attention to their ball reaction so they don't come in with any preconceived ideas.
Another great video from Luke. Classroom series is a winner.
2:25 - 3:03... splits 8-9 in most shots 10 strikes in a row
Another educational masterpiece, I learned a lot and this should help when moving houses in tournaments. Thanks.
Great video again. I've always had to take different bowling balls to different houses locally. When I go to an unfamiliar house I try to take a combination of bowling balls. It's also helpful if you can find out as much information about the place, and how old the lanes are. Thanks again for the videos
Hard to believe you managed to cram so much helpful information into such a short video. Great stuff.
I was really excited when I was comparing my balls and I could actually tell one of them was burning up and one not hooking. I think knowing the difference is pretty big and all this is just really great to know and learn in general anyway. But starting from pretty novice to actually learning what to look for and all even when it's more obvious things to some people it feels really good. I remember the first time I noticed my ball just burned up where it went to hook and then just...didn't lol. It can be hard to put into words but it's like if you know you know.
Great video, I have been bowling in the kc metro area my whole life and I can attest to the fact most houses bowl vastly different. The main house i bowl in the heads are trash, ball looks like it's rolling uphill and falling back most nights, especially when the humidity is high. The owners dont bowl, dont know and maybe dont care. The preferred shot there is some combination of loft, speed, and straight up the boards. Another house they replace the first 30 feet of the lane every 5 years and my ball turns the corner like its running from the police and then hits like a stick of dynamite thrown in a metal garbage can . The owner is a bowler there.
Cracks me up........thousands of variables..............your ball is too soft................
The hardness thing is one of those things you can track though. When something is universally a lot more consistent than it should be, then you know you have an issue to deal with, and in this case, hardness WAS a problem, but there are so many other problems that go unaddressed, that's one of the bigger issues. Like why freak out about one thing when something else gets ignored . .