Really appreciate you covering the Surge as there really isnt much on YT about them l, which i was surprised at. I have a 3.5k ltr sleeper pond with some koi that i run on a pressure filter with a retro bottom drain (please dont judge, im building a much bigger replacement pond next year with much better filtration). I purchased a surge and variflow together as a deal for 399 in April and fitted it on arrival the same style you went with. The water has been crystal clear from that point on and i have been very impressed thus far. I do wonder however, how good an actual filter the surge really is though, as it is said it can be the main filter on a pond within its spec volume range. Nowhere goes into any detail on how effective it actually would be from a mechanical or biological point of view. My only issues I have had so far with it was one of the ball valves ended up crushing its internal white washer so wouldnt completely isolate water flow which made cleaning it an issue. EA hae sent me a replacement so all good now on this. The clear UV inspection hose tail (you didnt use it) was a complete ball ache to screw in to the ball stop valve, almost impossible in fact. Add to that it is really hard to see if the UV is actually on through it, really not up to what it was designed to do. With the suggested optimum flow rate of 2500, and a max of 3500 its only really able to be used as you have set it up (and as i have) straight from the variflow in the pond on a dedicated line, or possibly as a skimmer line. Everything else would have too much flow for it (after an eazypod or before a shower, etc). Thanks for covering. I appreciate it mate
@yorkshirekoi2246 I watched your video previously and a lot of the time was focused on how you had plumbed it in and then also on rewiring the pack. The bit I think is missing from online is a more indpeth look at it's filtering capabilities, from a mechanical and biological perspective. Lots seem to show that it removes lots of rubbish from the water but not on how the filter is marketed, which is as a pond filter for ponds upto their suggested volume limits. I get it's still new, but that's what's missing so far online for me.
It could do with switch to knock off uv whilebits draining and also a window to see how clean media is. My tempest which I believe holds twice as much media needs 6 or 7 flushes plus I rumble it with an airline for 5 min once a week. Simply dropping it out once will be lucky to remove 20% of the muck but you will never know in the surge unless you keep going until it runs clear.
I'm really surprised that EA didn't include a safety switch that turns off the UV in the event you remove it while still powered on like you showed in the video. I've seen many filters and UV units that will not light if removed from its normal operating location to prevent serious and potentially permanent damage to someones eyes if they look at the UV bulb while lit. Maybe something for EA to consider on future versions / updates of the Surge filter.
Right a few things your EA pump is not running at 40% what your looking at is the watts used. to see what the % is you have to press the arrows up or down to see this. Then it goes back to what the wattage is. Second thing ideal lph is 2500 the 3500 talk about is the max it can take. It is not recommended to use the max. As for your pond used you could use 2 surges to see how it does. I have also found the waste outlets can be faulty as mine was leaking and the reason for this can be worms getting into the air valve. I contacted EA about this to their customer service with in one week they sent me another one out with out any communication. I replaced the old unit with this and it seems to have stopped the leak for know. I believe its the same issue people had with the tempests. What I am finding I use the surge as a pre- filter that my box filter still needs cleaning . As such I dont think the surge is effective at removing all the muck. Im in the process of making a video on this . Will release video in about a week.
Ive a Very Small pond of 2000L and ive just switched to the Surge and installed the vario 10000 pump which is running at 30% but i will increase that to 40% now . cant wait to empty it in a few days . thanks for the Video on this . been so informative. Geoff
was gonna get one of these as a prefilter for my 1300gallon pond but i might just go for the easypod pumpfed and have a second diybin filter with filterpads, these are for up for 1000gallon so i dont think itll work good enough for me as ive got, 9 koi, 2tench, 2rudd and 4 goldfish so little overstock untill i get bigger pond. unless i get surge then going in to the bin? not sure if itll be up to it?
Excellent it's great how you are getting those fines and the uv is combined , defo great going into a fluid bed . I would defo use on my grow on/ QT and as you have said skimmer etc , i can see this being of massive value to a lot of hobbyists i will be having a closer look at the GBKS Saturday. Great video as always Tim
@@TimWaddington air bar in pond show push water long top of the pond or botthem drain some people says make a mushroom aficed in pond and bad for fish health
@@jpwatergardens2290 I don’t see any reason why they could be bad for a pond. Koi need air and they look better than having multiple air stones in the pond. They have been used for decades and I haven’t seen them harm Koi yet.
@@TimWaddington every few days along with the normal filter. If it was just on the pond I could see it not cope. But just a skimmer to surge to waterfall 10k vari 40% work a dream
Really appreciate you covering the Surge as there really isnt much on YT about them l, which i was surprised at.
I have a 3.5k ltr sleeper pond with some koi that i run on a pressure filter with a retro bottom drain (please dont judge, im building a much bigger replacement pond next year with much better filtration).
I purchased a surge and variflow together as a deal for 399 in April and fitted it on arrival the same style you went with. The water has been crystal clear from that point on and i have been very impressed thus far.
I do wonder however, how good an actual filter the surge really is though, as it is said it can be the main filter on a pond within its spec volume range. Nowhere goes into any detail on how effective it actually would be from a mechanical or biological point of view.
My only issues I have had so far with it was one of the ball valves ended up crushing its internal white washer so wouldnt completely isolate water flow which made cleaning it an issue. EA hae sent me a replacement so all good now on this.
The clear UV inspection hose tail (you didnt use it) was a complete ball ache to screw in to the ball stop valve, almost impossible in fact. Add to that it is really hard to see if the UV is actually on through it, really not up to what it was designed to do.
With the suggested optimum flow rate of 2500, and a max of 3500 its only really able to be used as you have set it up (and as i have) straight from the variflow in the pond on a dedicated line, or possibly as a skimmer line. Everything else would have too much flow for it (after an eazypod or before a shower, etc).
Thanks for covering. I appreciate it mate
Thank you for the taking the time to write that. Good info 👍
i have done a video on it.
@yorkshirekoi2246 I watched your video previously and a lot of the time was focused on how you had plumbed it in and then also on rewiring the pack. The bit I think is missing from online is a more indpeth look at it's filtering capabilities, from a mechanical and biological perspective. Lots seem to show that it removes lots of rubbish from the water but not on how the filter is marketed, which is as a pond filter for ponds upto their suggested volume limits. I get it's still new, but that's what's missing so far online for me.
@@nickgraney2119 well I will be putting up a new video in a week or so
@@yorkshirekoi2246 would welcome your thoughts on the points I raise
It could do with switch to knock off uv whilebits draining and also a window to see how clean media is. My tempest which I believe holds twice as much media needs 6 or 7 flushes plus I rumble it with an airline for 5 min once a week. Simply dropping it out once will be lucky to remove 20% of the muck but you will never know in the surge unless you keep going until it runs clear.
I'm really surprised that EA didn't include a safety switch that turns off the UV in the event you remove it while still powered on like you showed in the video. I've seen many filters and UV units that will not light if removed from its normal operating location to prevent serious and potentially permanent damage to someones eyes if they look at the UV bulb while lit. Maybe something for EA to consider on future versions / updates of the Surge filter.
In the future we will just turn it off before changing it. It’s no biggy.
There is a safety switch but like mine the quartz sleeve sticks to the lamp holder and it should stay in the filter so the switch can work
Great information,, some nice looking Tancho showa in there , what size are they
Tosai
Would have been interesting to have seen what it could have done working after a ea cetus sieve off a bottom drain
There would just never be a reason to do that. The Purge isn’t for that application
Currently building a 6000ltr raised pond Filtration is an easy pod pump fed could I use this after the easy pod ?
Would be better to add a skimmer and then the Surge
Right a few things your EA pump is not running at 40% what your looking at is the watts used. to see what the % is you have to press the arrows up or down to see this. Then it goes back to what the wattage is. Second thing ideal lph is 2500 the 3500 talk about is the max it can take. It is not recommended to use the max. As for your pond used you could use 2 surges to see how it does. I have also found the waste outlets can be faulty as mine was leaking and the reason for this can be worms getting into the air valve. I contacted EA about this to their customer service with in one week they sent me another one out with out any communication. I replaced the old unit with this and it seems to have stopped the leak for know. I believe its the same issue people had with the tempests. What I am finding I use the surge as a pre- filter that my box filter still needs cleaning . As such I dont think the surge is effective at removing all the muck. Im in the process of making a video on this . Will release video in about a week.
The pump is at 40%.
@@TimWaddington that means your putting through 4000 ltrs per hour through the surge its only rated for 3500.
@@yorkshirekoi2246do you think pipe work would reduce that 40%?!
@@TimWaddington not for the short distance from pump to surge. EA would not recommend it.
@@yorkshirekoi2246 it’s on 1” pipe. I’m slowly coming to a conclusion you are just trolling now.
Ive a Very Small pond of 2000L and ive just switched to the Surge and installed the vario 10000 pump which is running at 30% but i will increase that to 40% now . cant wait to empty it in a few days . thanks for the Video on this . been so informative. Geoff
Make sure you let us know how it is !
Can this be used as a main filter instead off a black box filter for a 4500l pond
Yes, I don’t see why not
Think I be saving up and buying one then
@@jordancumberpatch9326 its not 100% effective
@@TimWaddington is the surge just the same as a tempest but just a uv
@@jordancumberpatch9326 similar yes
show me your ea pump again ? it says 039 which means the watts not the percentage
Silly question but wouldn't the UV kill all the beneficial bacteria in the filter? Or am I missing something obvious? Cheers.
It’s a valid point but the coating on the media stops it. 🤷♂️
@@TimWaddington that makes no sense
What's the price on them Tim
£299 I think
was gonna get one of these as a prefilter for my 1300gallon pond but i might just go for the easypod pumpfed and have a second diybin filter with filterpads, these are for up for 1000gallon so i dont think itll work good enough for me as ive got, 9 koi, 2tench, 2rudd and 4 goldfish so little overstock untill i get bigger pond. unless i get surge then going in to the bin? not sure if itll be up to it?
Excellent it's great how you are getting those fines and the uv is combined , defo great going into a fluid bed . I would defo use on my grow on/ QT and as you have said skimmer etc , i can see this being of massive value to a lot of hobbyists i will be having a closer look at the GBKS Saturday. Great video as always Tim
Have a great time!
Would this be a good option to run off an in-wall skimmer as a second filter? I’m too scared of the beads.
Yeah I think it could be a good idea for you.
But are they good for bigger ponds as additional filtration? When they say unto 5k, is that as the only filter?
Up to 1000 gallons they will do a better job than the crappy black box things from Garden centres. Not ideal for big ponds, was never the point.
@@TimWaddington appart from the uv is there a difference in these and the tempest? Are these designed to reduce algae?
@@KYLEG1986 I think in the correct size pond the UV will work like any other UV on a pond.
What you think about air bars over bottom drain air
Air bars?
@@TimWaddington air bar in pond show push water long top of the pond or botthem drain some people says make a mushroom aficed in pond and bad for fish health
@@jpwatergardens2290 I don’t see any reason why they could be bad for a pond. Koi need air and they look better than having multiple air stones in the pond. They have been used for decades and I haven’t seen them harm Koi yet.
Could you install a uv on a tempest?
@@mikef6474 I don’t know mate
mine I am using on a 20k pond just on the skimmer and its doing a great job just FYI
Wow that’s pretty good! How often you cleaning?
@@TimWaddington every few days along with the normal filter.
If it was just on the pond I could see it not cope. But just a skimmer to surge to waterfall 10k vari 40% work a dream
It was me that asked the height of the UV for servicing. Thanks for measuring 👍🏻
You are welcome!