Colorism (light skin/dark skin) is discussed on the Phil Donahue Show (1988)
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- Rock Newman part of panel. Unfortunately first 5 minutes of the show was not viewable where Ebony describes how her grandmother would favor her lighter skinned sibling. 11:33 scene from Frank's Place (paper bag test). Keep in mind Spike Lee's "School Daze" was out in theatres at the time of the show
#RockNewman
#colorism
#paperbagtest
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Colorism affects women and men differently
Dark skin men= sexy thugs
Dark woman=masculine rough
Light men=soft punks
Light women=feminine beautiful
This is true though. You aren’t blind
Grow in a Dominican neighborhood and come back to me.
I'm a multiracial afro Latino and dark skin is looked down for both the men and women in our community I guess it depends on where you live because Africa loves dark skin
@@fashionholic98free7if Africans love dark skin so much why are they bleaching their skin. Skin Bleaching is a multibillion dollar industry
Agreed.
35 years later and this topic is very much prevalent in the black community today as we see on social media non stop. I hope Millennials, Gen Z, and younger generations to come watch this video so that we can learn to disrupt this thought process. Some of us have but there are still some who don’t understand the history and still cling to society’s standard of beauty.
True.
There are some that still cling to a warped society's opinion as to what is beautiful. Though, I say they are a minority today regarding colorism. The new damage... destruction by self- prophesy via the sellout/slave music. What is the doctrine of Balaam...
As a gen z, bringing this up to older black people ends up in a conversation about me personally being insecure which is very untrue. My mother is light brown, and my grandmother was a light skin. My grandmother and mother made me feel good about being brown/dark however talking to my mom, she cannot process the fact that it’s not about whether a boy likes me, it’s about how I am treated and discriminated against just as if it were Jim Crow dealing and dealing with prejudices White people. I do place differentiations on white passing, mixed race, and visible blackness because there are layers of privilege to each variant of lightness, however it all boils down to their attitudes. Pretending like colorism isn’t a problem instantly makes me dislike you and victimizing oneself and demonizing others for being oppressed is downright disgusting. You can acknowledge being mistreated and picked on without discrediting the truth. The reason light skinned and light skinned mixed race people get push back is because of oppression, because they feel inferior, not because they prefer darker skin. They see you as the villain and in someways you have to stand your ground but make them realize that you aren’t the enemy.
He hit the nail on the damn head!!!!!! We are viewed as, "just another...." despite our complexion! They don't pay any attention to the hue, but we do? Maybe one day everything will come together!
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The host worked!!!! Lord! Running back and forth with the microphone 😂
The guy at 39:33 😂 the kids used to make fun of you b/c of the way you speak huh.. you don't say 😏
Over 30 years later and this topic is still relevant
AGREE
It’s relevant because the self hatred in black people is ingrained and profound.
Jeez!😢
OK! And look at how "Phillip" be knowing some stuff about our people. Honestly!
I believe it will still be relevant 30 years from now. We have some deep-rooted social issues in this country when it comes to race and the necessary conversations
I enjoyed watching Donahue run around his studio to get to the audience members. We don’t see this passion on tv anymore 😂
😭😭🤣😭U can tell he was over these black ppl tho
Nope, he was thoroughly engaged..speak for yourself
Thoroughly ?ihate to see how u pay attention cuz this was not it,I’m not judging it was funny I can only imagine a room full of 100 passionate ppl who all have something to say but only have 30secs to talk running around @70yrs old😭🤔😭😭because he the had to to still talk plus the actual guest and the ppl who called in,and u can also tell he really didn’t have a opinion because he’s a white man those issues didn’t affect his life most of the time he was looking like “these ppl want to just complain “ cmon now he comes from the same era as the one drop rule so I highly doubt he didn’t participate in the racism🤷🏾♀@@NubianQueen100
@@NubianQueen100right…🤦🏾♀️
Is that all you’ve got from this? His energetic scurrying around his audience to get a mic to them? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They had such a problem w/ this lady not wanting to ignore her WHOLE MOTHER!🤦🏽♀️🤣 The crowd was so ignorant. She’s literally saying I’m proud of my daddy but I’m proud of my mom too. And who gets to choose which side of my family I deny. She don’t wanna deny NEITHER!🤦🏽♀️😂
Im happy that black women have started to gatekeep and don't want biracial or multiracial categorized with them, but I think back then if you wanted to claim multiracial you were considered trying to distance your self from the comunity. When the truth is this woman didn't want to distance, she just wanted to embrace the Native American too. I also back then, if you were black and "other" there was a demand to ignore the other (i.e. native american, asian, etc.)
They missed her war cry,, and the thing is everyone don't let me generalize in the audience light dark all shades had a black mother..... white mothers tend to raise their children white until the world tells them otherwise. I feel it's a lack of not equipping them to how the world will perceive them...and who cares what the world thinks however if youe child is confused and not stable in their indentiy especially with the heavy load of racism in America. It's going to effect the child. Because the audience can't indentify with having a white mother they blew over it, I wish there was more unpacking for her...
@@blessgodess5146 AGREE....WHAT YOU SAID IS WHAT DOJA CAT IS GOING THRU...RASIED BY WHITE MOM LIVED WHITE UNTIL THE HATE CAME....
@@f.n.246 I AGREE CUZ THIS IS WHAT RAPPER LATTO WENT THRU....PEOPLE BITCHED BECUZ SHE CALLED HERSELF MULATTO AND THEY FELT SHE AS BRAGGING ABOUT HER MIXED RACE SHE WENT TO JUST LATTO......I HAVE A MIXED CHILD AND SHE REPS BOTH HER PARENTS....
@@vashtikelly6837 Yes, some do discriminate because of her heritage. Their main issue is the term “mulatto” and “mulatta” are discriminatory racial terms. They didn’t want promotion of that term. However if she called herself biracial they probably would have a problem with her calling herself that too because they wouldn’t understand.
Wow I remember this episode of Donahue. He was the goat of daytime tv shows. He had so many educational shows.
When daytime TV was good and they had something to say🎉🎉
Its amazing how much tv along with everything else mainstream has devolved!
he and opra were tye ones who brought these subjects to a head
@@michelemiletich7540 I would pick Donahue over Oprah any day.
Linda wasn’t wrong. She was just way ahead of her time. She knew the history behind everything too.
She wasn’t necessarily ahead of her time. race is a social construct that is meant to separate whites from EVERYONE else. Telling people “im not black… im biracial.” Is kinda pointless. She said she wasn’t accepted by black people then when she hit 20 she realized she wanted to define herself as multiracial. What I got from that was she was experiencing discrimination from other youths. Not to say that she didn’t have it rough, but the real issue is, those black kids she was getting discriminated by were essentially… kids who lacked wisdom, maturity, and have a lot of insecurities. That doesn’t mean she isn’t black.
@@MayISpeak yes it is a social construct used to separate. But with it other devices thrive alongside it such as ethnicity & culture and a sense of identity. Her goal was not to deny her blackness. Her goal was to celebrate the 3 components that make up her racial identity all 3. She knows she is black just as much as she knows she is white. I don't believe she said she's not black as you mentioned.
@@MayISpeakthose kids also grew up accepting without their knowledge that they themselves were a affected by the hierarchical ideas of racism. This same kids that mocked her thought she had pretty hair.
@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502Those same kids internalized racism and thought she was better, that’s why she was bullied because of their insecurity.
@@CC-pu6qn they thought that she thought she was better than they. Internalized racism? What other type is there. Those children were raised in a society that deems light skin as preferential to dark skin.
There is nothing wrong with multiracial, I agree with this lady 100%
I totally agree. I am from Trinidad I live in the US and I’m what they call a callaloo. That’s because I am mixed with soo many different races. I was raised by my grandmother since my mother migrated when I was a toddler. She was white, Hispanic and East Indian but since I’m here I have to totally deny her because people look at me and say I’m black. My grandfather was a black man and I never even knew him. She was my everything and to deny her lineage in me is crazy.
@@CtmorgansHispanic is not a race.
🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀They said what they said u ain’t learn nothing from this video @@kisha4040
The question then becomes how do we define this.
Well who defined the words black African American,Latinos,Irish,etc?@@CC-pu6qn
She is multiracial. It’s not distancing, it’s reality. We can see she’s not phenotypically black, nor genetically.
I agree. The hate against multiracial people is disgusting. Not all mixed race people are a result of something horrible like slavery, r**e or abuse. Most of the time, mixed race children are the result of strong, genuine love that has endured despite all of the crap society has thrown at them.
Life is easy if you have a relationship with someone who looks like you. The real test of love is if you stay together and love eachother despite everyone hating you and wanting you to fail.
But this was a real issue back then. I was denigrated by more Blacks for being mixed than anyone else in the 80s and 90s.
Lately, sure. Historically? No.@@coolbreeze5683
This thread shows folks here reality...She has to take the good the bad the privilege it all goes hand & hand..
Whites like to complain about so called reverse racism but not the privileges...You have to take the good with the bad,it is what it is!@
@@coolbreeze5683yep
To think we’re still having this issue 35 years later!
boring 💤
Always will.
Not surprising, since so many of the folks back then were in denial that the problem was as bad as it was (and still is).
Alot of issues will last throughout human existence.
Not to this extent
This is like watching a live action Twitter comment section with all the audience participation
lmao!
I agree but it's better in my opinion.
This was a good show. I like watching the old shows. They bring so much knowledge. We need these kinda shows today.
It wont help
@@Indigal
There are a lot of ate-up narcissists (majority of yite people), who would not be able to endure it today because any truth hurts them. If it's about actual reality, they (the narcs) can only bring their non-reality where they are offended by everything except their own evil and wickedness.
@@IndigalYou took the words right out of my mouth. Black people still to this day not only deny that the problem is as prevalent as it, but they also deny that it’s the responsibility of black folks to fix it. They’re still praying, wishing, waiting, and hoping for their oppressor to have a heart and take his foot off of their necks. Plain dumb, if you ask me.
Remember when talk shows were not just about the host talking but about the audience, love this
Same!! I love seeing the feedback and different depths /angles to whichever topic - are there other shows similar to his?
🥅
Me Too, I miss this whole ara of talk shows from back then!
The man with dreadlocks is very intelligent
My generation watched this when we stayed home sick from school. We actually learned something. We learned about different people. We learned about ourselves. When my kids stay home they watch crap reality tv that they learn nothing from except how to be hypersexual and hate people.
Dont forget the victim shows
People have bin hating people waaay before ur kids even existed
Straight facts!
Game shows had knowledge too..stupid reality shows, should JUST GO WWAY
Sounds like bad parenting.
That woman was ahead of her time!
Very much. A shame how quickly she was shut down and dismissed.
Sorry, No she wasn’t. She not denying her experience, but when she said that black people didn’t accept her, she was talking about youths who lack maturity and knowledge. Unfortunately she let those kids ruin her outlook on life. Wise people know that saying you are black isn’t about “denying/ignoring your other side”. It simply means you have african lineage whether u have a lot of it or less of it. Wise people know that race is a social construct made only to distinguish groups of people.
@@MayISpeak yes she was ahead of her time!!!! Biracial and multi racial isn’t black 🙄🤷🏽♀️
@@appointedvillainy definitely agree with you and they still dismiss it today
@@LibraVibesSnice80😂
It's 2023 now. This issue is still very much the same. It will never go away, just like racism. Certain things will never change..
Now everyone wants to be just Latinos are considered the new black I wish they can see this cuz this is what blacks looked like besides the mixed folks
You're right it's in our family's my daughter was rejected because of her dark skin, and my other daughter was fine
@@phgates6967I hope you ain’t let them people play in your kids face…..
@@hellothere8347huh?
This also exist in India, the light skinned Indians from the north look down on the dark skinned Indians of the south.
Same thing hap p ens in Latino Community😮😅
Silly
@@evelynbeveraggi8724 why is it silly?
The hatred of dark skin Is an ancient demonic evil that operates through these people. God originally created everyone black. We were made in his image. When you realize this (what the bible states) it starts to make sense why things are the way they are.
They... the (colonizers) colonized/slaughtered males mated with darker populace of females and intentionally bred the black skin out of many of these regions causing all these mixed people/lighter skinned versions of each race for thousands of years. They created colorisms and caste systems. The damage is done and nobody points the finger at white people. The entire thing is because of them.
The truth is hidden from people. But when you look at every nation there are still the original black/unmixed populations remaining.
From Asia to East Africa (Aka "the middle east" to India, Latin America, Oceania to North Africa and Polynesia. All of these countries were originally darker skinned. Arabs used to be black people. Now look at them. They're mixed and white pretty much in 2023. This is how they (colonizers) were able to conquer the races. By washing away the black from these regions. And getting many to hate on the African blacks.
Baby this is about black ppl yes it’s always skin color but we’re talking about something different I wish non black ppl would stop trying to take away from us smh
I agree with the multiracial woman. I am mixed, with a black mom and white dad. Saying what you literally are is not denying one of the races that you are. And also, not ALL black people will see you as black if you are mixed, and rightfully so. Nothing wrong with being proud of being mixed and accepting all parts of that. Being mixed, we can never understand fully what it's like to be black or white or whatever other mix we are.
I’m glad to hear that
I’ll make you blacker
I can assure you that not all black people see you as black. A lot of them just don’t say anything in fear of being called divisive.
@@frenchgirl5878 I actually agree w what you said. Many blacks don’t actually see biracials as black but we say that we do bc we don’t wanna be called jealous, divisive and “worse than the white ppl”. My bf is white and he asked why black ppl see biracial ppl as black bc in his family they don’t call them that
@@frenchgirl5878 I didn’t say all black people. And that is where confusion lies; some black people get offended if biracials say they’re black and some get offended if biracials say they’re mixed. The best way to stop that confusion as biracials is to claim both sides and not care what others say or think. And same with fully black people. Don’t be afraid to say that mixed people aren’t black….they’re mixed!
Why should she ignore her biracial heritage
Because her Caucasian ancestors have taught the US for children of Blacks and Caucasians to ignore her European heritage because they were ashamed of their bi-racial children's image.
There’s no such thing as biracial. That’s a new division whites came up with
When you pretend to be one when both that is ignoring your biracial heritage. Also white people made it so mixed with white people wouldn't acknowledge that side but only see them as black. Black people have now followed and want them to acknowledge they're black or mixed with Black
There is no such thing is “i’m not black I’m biracial.” Like what do u mean? Biracial can mean mixed with indian, chinese, native etc. Also race is a bunch of made up crap. Why are we even validating it by taking it seriously. Like I’m not saying we shouldn’t call ourselves black I’m saying its stupid to treat it like its more than just a social construct.
Phil Donahue was an excellent talk show host. He spoke
To everyone. Made them feel welcome and heard while taking on difficult topics.
Masterful
I miss this
I was a HUGE talk show junky!! And this was our social media back then, I miss these shows!!!
So do I, Television is nothing like it use to be!
I think the guy was mixed idc but he wants to be called just black,the lady knows what where she came from and the audience rumbling about is weird why does she have to just black if she multiple race different cultures ?
Whats weird about the fact that clearly 30 years ago people had different views? We all know the one drop rule was prevalent back then, that's why they were grumbling. This is clearly a reflection of the time and it's interesting to see.
That woman was right though and she got her wish. Mixed race people are considered their own racial group now. This topic is an evolving discussion.
Phil D was going off like he was a black man 😂😂😂
Lol, thinking the same..
We went from this to Jerry springer in a matter of a decade.
They were clinging on to that one drop rule for dear life back then lol
Which is BS
@@apriltaurus1656 Absolutely
The “one drop” rule is pseudoscience at its worst. Human beings are 99.9% identical at the genetic level.
It's mainly white people who clinged to that rule...and enforced it in every way. It was REALITY- it affected everyone's upward mobility to be associated/affiliated with blackness, opportunities, and even physical safety. It's native to say they were "clinging" onto such a rule that was/still is in many ways) enforced by white people in every aspect of society...and a reflection of white supremacy.
They’re still clinging onto it.
Unfortunately some black people continue to perpetuate, self hatred."
I'm a BLACK man who likes all colors of women but honestly I always wanted a darker complexion 🌑
There is a difference between mixed light skin and just light skinned black btw lol…oh the 80s 😂❤
Facts 🤣😂💀💯 Light skinned means both parents are black they just have lighter skin. Mixed or biracial means both parents aren’t black.
I just learned this a few years ago, haha. And I am mixed.
People still say light skin & Black as of light skin people aren’t Black as well. It’s very bizarre.
@@tinyking11yeah, but where did that light skin come from? However many generations ago, they were mixed race
@@NiKiMa023 Past Generations of mixed/non-black family members has nothing to do with the actual parents now. They are currently black just light skinned. I have white ancestry and both of my parents of fully black and brown skinned.
Such an intelligent audience, great presentarion. They don't make talk shows like this anymore.
Thank You
I used to love The Donahue show! I learned so much from his show. So poignant
Wow this audience and the panel - it’s been a while since I have seen intelligent discussions on a talk show like this.
This is definitely still a relevant topic and needs to be addressed at all levels within the community. It starts from within.
“Edward Lawson” Dark Skin Black was really the headline good lord
😂
I said the same ish😂
That's what I said
Being mixed: Let’s talk about having a white mama vs having black mama 🤓
Exactly because while these men keep praising white women as better fit women, I keep hearing their biracial children say different
No
Oh there's a huge difference there! Biracial people with black versus white moms are totally different!
@@PaisleyMarie80 as a biracial male with a Black mom ( continental african one ) .i can attest that there is a huge difference in terms of cultural access . Even our phenotypes are dfferents.
ESPECIALLY having a BLK father and he’s nowhere to be found… N The children are then raised by two elderly white people and their white mother. I’ve been to too many family reunions on my father side… and although me and my little sister caught subliminal hell out of my father‘s family and I don’t speak to any of them there’s a vast difference in how cousins that brought home black babies who were girls are treated versus my father had black wife and dated black women was treated
Loved the lady in the blue that said she stood up for her sister
yeah she was cute with that defiant look and stance and Phil busted me up when he said he didn't want to be on her bad side (or get her mad).
It's funny how they wouldn't dream of calling the woman in blue, white even though she is more white than she anything else having one parent fully Caucasian . Yet they advise that she start identifying as a black person.
Now I see why most mixed kid is sensitive I never said nothing like that to anyone smh that is crazy to tell someone what they are
One drop rule/ phenotype
The literal translation in Irish for a black person is a blue person. There are no black or white people in Ireland. Just a fun fact there 💁♀️
The black women were spot on then and nothing has changed now. Black men still only want light skinned or non black women. Nothing changed, if anything it got worse❤
Big Facts! This mentality has been going on for over a 50 years now. 🤧😐💯
And it will continue to get worse.
Especially now that bbl has hit the seen lol
But when black women call it out we get gaslit and deflected. Why can’t they just be honest?
Yes but thank goodness a lot of dark skinned sisters are not hell bent on being with black men anymore ! They’re are starting to date out of the black race more and more as well 🎉❤. Every cause has a effect !
I don't know what brought me here but i just wanted to point out the pattern of some individuals, without fail, using the blanket statement " We are all black" in these conversation. "We are all black" yet we get treated differently because of our skin tones
First time I could relate to everyone who spoke. Everyone had their truth but I felt Ebony’s pain.
And yes in the last 30 plus years… they have replaced the unambiguous black woman with ambiguous black looking women with mixed features and much lighter skin/looser hair in all shows/media.
Speak on it👏👏👏👏and every Latino is apparently black now basically any person of color This is what they wanted the erasure of black
No they haven't. There was always a mixture of the two.
@@tias.6675 you’re in denial. Open your eyes and then come back to this comment.
@@tias.6675no they definitely have replaced us
Where?
That mixed lady was ahead of her time. Damn we really brainwashed 2:00
loooool Donahue near the end: "You're behaving like an audience of white people would!" 🤭 Basically just called the all-Black audience bougie.
Micro aggressions.
Bougie isn't a bad thing.
Loved all the talk shows.
Ricki lake
Montell Williams
Sally jessy
Old Oprah
Early Jerry lol
Geraldo
We watched them all in the 🇬🇧. Loved my childhood.
WOW! This show is really interesting and so timely in 2023. My family never expressed or showed any light skin / dark skin attitudes. We all were just family. My dad now 84 and his side of the family is very light skinned. My mother and her side has a dark shade. Among my siblings, I am brown-a lil lighter than my mother, Sis is orange, Bro is red, 😂. My maternal grandma was dark skinned Creole. EVERYBODY was/is different shade. Although the historical reality of it is unsettling, I feel the end result is interesting.
I feel ya. In my family we are all around the same tone with the exception of a few and we just never talked about skin tone. We never made fun of the dark skinned and they never expressed what they went through. So when I got older and talked to other friends I realized this is a BIG issue in the black community. A very big wake up call for me as a young adult.
It’s interesting to watch this! This was long before the comment section of youtube, fb, IG, etc.!
lol yes, ppl had opinions in the Dark Ages too. 😁
There are so many people who claim to be half black and half native american or say they have a parent of that mix and yet I have *never* seen a mixed race black and native american couple. Where are they???
Agreed
my great grand parents
GOD DIDN'T MAKE NO MISTAKES😢😢😢
Is it me or people from the 80s hot
aww thank you my grandson. Yes we did . But you see the 80s were ROUGH ! to put it mildly. And i am telling you this for free.
I'm Puerto Rican, Portuguese and Corsican and I grew up in Hawai'i everyone who lives in Hawai'i is mixed, some are mixed even within their own cultural circle. I never knew anything else but mixed races. I'm blessed to grow up in a place where we don't have to worry about people constantly treating others less then themselves. We are a multicultural place of peace 🕊️🙏🏾✨
Amen. But here in america ytz n blks hste each other so much that mix ppl no matter the amount. U a r judge on skin. N blks hate light colors pll no matter what. Bc ytz are more acceptable of them bc ppl see mix ppl as soft n docile. Which they are far from.
Aloha
And that is just the way it should be
Multicultural uniculture lol
@@joltjolt5060it only makes a difference when you're NOT mixed with black smh... No one cares if you're mixed with 20 different races that are not black
What a diff time. I wanna see what these ppl think now.
This conversation hasn’t changed at alllll!
I don't know how this popped up on my timeline, but this was a GOOD WATCH!!!
Yes it just popped up in my timeliness too 😊
Mines also.
God works in mysterious ways. All credit to him ❤
Dang. That guy was the first auditor who won a lawsuit for racial profiling. Times have changed, but for the worse. There is nothing wrong with saying you are multiracial if one wants to. I have only experienced black people telling me that I am not black because of my skin color. Not mad at them for it anymore. But - this issue will never go away. No matter what we do. The history of this place is too tainted.
ONE DROP RULE IS A LIE
Jesus Christ cares nothing about this topic, he said treat everybody right & there would be no need for these types of discussion. We are not just a color
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to salvation 🙏🏾❤️ AMEN
Amen 🙏🏿
I find it strange that Edward C. Lawson has died and his death is a mystery with no obituary. Rest in peace intelligent king and warrior.
Apparently he died of pancreatic cancer 2011
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His life seems to be a bit of a mystery. I had to do a Google to see where some of these folks were now. Rock Newman seems to have had an interesting go
@@brotherhannibal411 oh ok. Thank you for the update.
Rock Newman took a DNA test years after this and found out that he is mostly white. A tiny percentage of black.
I mean it's not hard to see unless you needed another pair of glasses👓 with🔎😅. If he had not mentioned he was mixed I don't think anyone would even question hence the reason the barber told him off as a kid b/c I'm sure he wouldn't have had a clue he had a drop of black in him 🤔 if he hadn't mentioned it.
@@Bo55edup not always there's many mixed people who look more or mostly white. Mariah Carey, Logic, Halsey, british actor stephen graham. I have cousins who are 25% black who look just as white as he does but they still have a fully black grandparent. He doesn't so idk how he even got away with that for so many years. His percentage is so low that nobody he ever met in his family ever met any of their black ancestors. There wouldn't have even been a true oral history, just a rumour cos it was under 5%🤷🏽♀️
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@@ClassyGyalHaving 25% black dna doesn’t mean you are black. lol They still have 75% white ancestry so that means they are white. 😅
That’s called mixed ur grandparents are not ur parents and both have to be black to be considered black
There would never be a show on tv today like this with this topic
I believe now we are more understanding to multiracial people being proud of their mix heritage. We also value black ppl who are not biracial and should have the right to keep their identity as “black” separate from those who are biracial. One point I want to add that I think the guest looked over is that most of the light skinned biracial of this century majority come from black men willingly having children with non-black women vs during slavery time the black women were raped and forced to have those children.
Exactly
These people all have a point. However, anyone who has done research on their family with African ancestry, this goes way back about being taught in slavery white is right. We as a people simply were brainwashed into believing the lighter you are that somehow you are in a different category.
My family was like that. Sometimes a person would hide their ethnicity from their spouse. The spouse did not know the were married to someone who had African ancestry. This went on with many of my ancestors. So it wasnt just being raped it was that because they could pass for white and leave being black behind.
That's understandable, but that's not what the lady was trying to do here. She just wanted to accept all parts of herself. But your comment opened my eyes to a whole other issue...that black people might see mixed people claiming their mixed heritage as "white passing" or like you said, "leaving being black behind." Very eye opening.
True light skinned people are unequivocally black. If you can hide your African ancestry, you are other.
It's called bleaching the color line.
@@marywhite8517 you are so pretty
@@AshleyMintz just now seeing your comment. I quite agree with you. I too would love to acknowledge all of my ethnic ancestry. However, the one drop rule lives on.
The rape issue will surely cause lighter skin. But the Africans have varying quaitities of maleanin. Such that those that remained im Aftica coild also be extremely light skinned.
Yes.STOP the colorism prejudice!!!Africans unite!!!
Respect to you 🫡
We're all multi-racial. It's not the tone of the skin that makes one beautiful, but the features. Light-skinned doesn't make you pretty. Black skin doesn't make you ugly.
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@Sharondavis3535 Wrong. We are NOT all multiracial. Black Americans (and other descendants of slavery throughout the world) are multiracial due to rape of their wrongfully enslaved maternal ancestors.
Black Americans are a tiny fraction of black people on the planet. There are over a billion unmixed black people in Africa alone. So we are NOT all multiracial.
That’s what most of your communitah believe though. Looking over good candidates who could be suitable for marriage all because they not light skin 🤦🏾♀️.
And black skin doesn’t make you beautiful and light skin doesn’t make you ugly🤷🏽♀️
Ahh.. boo. WELL DUH of course. And duh however it doesn't matter what the truth is. That's the point.
33:40 Phil said “ why can’t she say that without making you angry” 😂🤣
the issue is in the tissues. Black Trauma is deep. Must be healed individually.
Colorism is a big issue and exist in every culture!!!! Hispanic, Asian, Hindu, etc, they all sadly gravitate around light skinned people. Watch Latin telenovelas and the main characters are blonde and blue eyes, and the maids are morenitas or dark skinned actresses. In my family we are advised to marry light skinned Mexicans not dark skinned ones or “prietos” , that’s the term referring to a darker skinned person. In my case, I have Italian, Japanese and Mexican blood, I married a Hispanic man with an Irish grandmother, so his skin is light fair, well one day my five year old son asks me why was I not in jail for marrying a white skinned man??? I just burst into laughter. We had just watched a movie about a biracial couple struggling in the 60’s, so he saw me a bit darker than daddy🤷🏻♀️😅😅😅.
And yeah in 30 years, guess what we'll be talking about? This. BECAUSE people do not want to change their mind. And it is disgusting. Dark skin women. I love you🤎💜! One of a kind!
When you'd mostly see ADOS people instead of everyone else. Beautiful group ❤️
I hate how black Americans have reduced this conversation to lightskin and darkskin instead of talking about being BLACK vs biracial . It’s not just skin colour it’s featurism , hair texture is different . Skip to 2023 and you barely see black women on tv and media or politics it’s all biracial women
Like australia or new zealand also native Americans. They are all partly natives like haaland
It will never happen. Darkskin ppl live in a constant state of oppression.
That guy became Riddick Bowes Trainer years later
Thank you so much for posting this video! There’s so much research to explore from the open conversation!! I wish there was version of this today - they really respect and give each other a chance to speak (not always but it’s good to see)
Facts
In a perfect world, it wouldn’t matter what shade our skin is. But in this fallen world this divide was caused by sinful people a long time ago. The enemy wants to keep people at odds. He knows we are stronger together‼️💔😢🙏
This is so relevant today and seems to be getting worse in the black community
Social media and baddie aesthetic is the nail in the coffin.
this is before i was born but it looks like a great show
People were so ignorant in the 80s lmao
This is so relevant to this day.
There are light skin Africans who are a pure breed African. There are a lot where I come from.
Lynette, my fam is traditional african and we do have lite skinned . and as it is i know every single person's genetics since they live in rural areas
Americans one drop rule.
In my opinion, I think america made a big mistake in making interracial dating/marriage legal. All it did was create more biracial individuals who have a very hard time fitting in because they're not black or white enough or whatever multiple races they're mixed with. Yes, we've always been a melting pot from the start this nation was founded but these biracial/multiracial problems are just out of control now. I think America needs to start looking at this issue once again.
The one drop rule isn't rooted in science, who is holding on to the one drop rule?
@@angelyumyum9248lots of blacks and whites
@@angelyumyum9248black Americans love the one drop rule their slaves owners indoctrinated into them.
@@jaijai5250 and where the hell are you from?
rock newman looks like he's 95% white lol homeboy is trolling
He talks as though he's black though
You are correct. He had a dna test proving his European heritage
@@kernelcoleman8195There's no such thing as talking Black.
I agree. He holding on to that 1 drop rule 🤣😂💀
😭😭🤷🏾♀️🤣🤣I swear I was trying to give a chance based on the video and his voice but something ain’t right in the koolaid especially wen he didn’t directly answer was he mixed?😭🤣😭😭
To this date dark skin is seen as a ugly and less than. Even in the black community only certain shades of brown are allow. The most prefered shade in the black community is not brown is light skin off course but when it comes to being brown the only acceptable one is caramel brown. White people started it but black people have continued to perpetuate.
This is true smh
What is really sad is that some of us have issues with our hair, skin and features. Love yourself no matter what you look like. Black is beautiful. All shades shades of black.
Agreed, work with what you got.
If the lady in the blue shirt said this in Brazil, the Brazilians wouldn’t take issue because half the Brazilian population is multiracial. Why can’t the USA adopt a multiracial category and stop lumping them into a African American group?
Many AA's come from mixed race people. Doesn't matter if it's a parent or someone from 2-3 generations ago. Being AA does not mean one is fully African.
BP is NOT African Americans we are not from Africa and never came from there, that big lie needs to STOP!!!!!
@@tias.6675neither does any Black identifying person that is not from West Africa
I think there would be so much push back from monoracial blacks and some multiracial as well. It may eventually happen because of the rate of intermarriage these days.
@@iceprincess825 I see why AA’s came at Tiger Woods neck for identitying as Cablinasian. I know if Barack Obama went that same route, he may not get the black vote and that wouldn’t ruined his presidency.
So sad that this is still a thing today
30 or 40 years and we still hear this stuff. Seems this stuff can't be fixed. The Civil Rights Era probably did more harm than good.
Light skin people always say we need to get over it.
Those here stay gaslighting people SMH !
Irish is not a race sis 🤷🏽♀️ it’s another word for something/ someone from Ireland
It's a nationality 😊
@@beb5407 🤣🤣 lmao thanks too much ganja lastnight 😩
**even in India, Cuba, Brazil,
Puerto Rico, there's colorism to this day. India has the caste system. On Spanish language television all the actors are very light. Racism is worldwide, colorism is not just among Black Americans
Have you seen all those Mexican TV actors? Lol, Mexico it's the most racist and colorist country I know of.
You are 100% correct. There is a lot of colorism in the Latin American community.
This is not just in America its all over the world Africa the Caribbean Asian countries the Middle East South America colorist is an issue everywhere its not just an America problem
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THIS TOPIC IS STILL RELEVANT WHETHER PEOPLE ADDRESS IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!
I was invited to the Ebony Magazine Awards, in 1991-1992.
I felt like I was in heaven because I grew up around light and brown skin all my life. Or dark brown and being around all olive dark skin people was like a dream come true.
Since I only saw them on the VHS videos or Souls on TV every Saturday morning. In NewZealand in 1984-1990, when they were still on LP and tapes, but heard Michael Jackson & the 5Jackson, since 1976-1979 in Saoluafata Samoa on the LP. With my grandpa Motuga, In Jesus Name Amen and Amen. N Mississippi Road along with Linda Rondstant. N Marie Osmond and Donny Osmond as well as a lot more like Fernando and ABBA and the Beatles obla dee obla dah. Life goes on even after Michael Jackson passes in 2009. So I learned to depend on God for the next life of being with Michael Jackson and others in there concert like the Beatles.
Love you guys and the Soul dancers ...on Saturdays....
Phil dropped a gem when asked “who isn’t mixed?” Nobody caught it tho
BUT I bet Mr.Donahue ain't going around calling HIMSELF mixed. If EVERYBODY is mixed as he claimed, why would he take issue with this young woman identifying as such??? No gem dropped imo
@@tajmahal8472 what are you basing your assumption that he doesn’t refer to himself as mixed on? He literally just said he was
@@tajmahal8472 The fact he said "who isn't mixed" is an indication that he knows he has some mixed heritage.
Great point by the audience member in the light pink shirt who talked about the influence of media on children and the man in the black colored shirt who also spoke about media as well as consumerism.
As of 2023, the multiracial lady is 63 years old. I wonder how’s she doing today. 🤔
she is the same age as my mom. i'd like to think she aight ! its plenty of them aunties about.
I love all these articulate varieties of Black Americans in the crowd.
That dreadlocked black guy was spitting facts, intelligent and well spoken as well.
He was amazing!!!!🔥🔥🔥
Spitting facts? Not at all lmao. He just assumes that all light skin are rhe product of rape. That's asinine. Intelligent? Sure but intelligence doesn't equal enlightenment. Well spoken? Yeah for sure.
And you could understand him. No ebonics.
"Well spoken" is interpreted as a underhanded compliment when describing a black person
@@NellyNutmeg … would that still be the case if it comes from a black person, just like myself?
Good on the lady in blue in the audience who spoke out against how this is passed on and how even children know colorism is wrong.
All taught to us by our oppressors!
I have a young teen stepson who is very very dark-skinned and I overheard him speaking to his friends saying black women are monkeys. I was devastated because to me the Black woman is the ultimate form of beauty. I think that him being raised up in a predominantly white neighborhood/schools has warped his mindset to where internally he hates himself and his people. He prefers white women over black women now and his black friends also. It is sad for centuries self hatred still exists amongst Black people this is why we as a people have to create our own schools, neighborhoods etc so we can teach about the greatness of our people. We have to show beauty of our people not fall for what society has put out with negative propaganda.
Black people had our own communities during segregation times. We had professionals, merchants, laborers, a diversity of working people. Black schools, with Black teachers. We lost all that with integration.
If they're monkeys then he is also a monkey 😂 when will these idiots get it. Whatever you say about the Black woman it applies to you they come from our seed.
Being of a darker hue, I can say growing up in the south, it is different. We're perceived as dumb, aggressive and lazy.
Can you share how you dealt with this day to day?
@@Nekole1 I grew up in the middle to late 60's. Every "leader " was of higher complexion, holding most ( if not all) positions of authority. From this to that and throughout it all, I learned to be humble and grateful. It was a very tough journey I traveled, but I tell others (including my own) how to navigate the scenes.
@@belo621 interesting. Thanks for sharing. Do you feel the world is moving forward with dark skin men and women in higher positions?
@@Nekole1 in my opinion, theory and claim. The world(not many)is just beginning to recognize that there are people of a darker hue,who are very intelligent
@@belo621 thanks for sharing. Wow