”The only initiation which I advocate and which I look for with all the ardor of my Soul, is that by which we are able to enter into the Heart of God within us, and there make an Indissoluble Marriage, which makes us the Friend and Spouse of the Repairer… There is no other way to arrive at this Holy Initiation than for us to delve more and more into the depth of our Soul and to not let go of the prize until we have succeeded in liberating its lively and vivifying origin.” - Louis Claude de Saint-Martin 🗝 Support Agrippa's Diary: patreon.com/agrippasinnersanctum 📘 One-time donations via PayPal: www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=64GVXNWU9FHVY ☕ Donate a Coffee: ko-fi.com/agrippasdiary 🎦 Subscribe to VoxOcculta: www.youtube.com/@voxocculta 📱Follow Agrippa's Diary on Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@agrippasdiary 📷Follow Agrippa's Diary on Instagram: instagram.com/agrippasdiary/ 📚Agrippa's Library of Occult Wisdom: www.notion.so/agrippasdiary/Agrippa-s-Occult-Library-7d915b32493a4816a8f51019245594d7?pvs=4 🗏 Link to the transcript: www.patreon.com/posts/martinist-order-96925572?Link& This video was made possible thanks to my Patreon supporters: 👇 Masters Of The Mysteries: Frater Incognito, H. Qasem & Pamela Billen. Magisters Templi: Big man, Shaneel Kumar, Rudi Rahmani, Ken, Tim Berry, Uizado_fx, Oscar, Angela. Hierophants: Evan Mooney, Michael Perry, Jim Smith, Paul C., Tyler Wittreich, FroggLessuer, theo, David Levinson, Joe Reorda II, Jay-Alexander Elliot, Josh Volker, Christine VanPool, Alonzo Boschulte, Alchemical Room, Beavswanee, James Webb, Levi Voorwinden, Asch, Vre Runel, Zelenko Girl, n nn, Harrison King, Jeremy, Alexander Winter, Mark Overmaat, Joey Davis, Joel Teixeira, Tyler Sullivan, Marquasious Gaines, Anthony R Castro, Leo Schuman, Monica de Melo Pieroni. If you want to support this project consider becoming a Patreon member. The link in the video description! ❤🔥
@agrippasdiary, please do a video on the Comte de St Germain! One of the greatest adepts to ever walk this earth! I love your work so much. I look forward to your videos more than any other. Your work is very very much appreciated!
I initiated as a Martinist and then my Master died, at which time I worked in solitary practice. This is actually part of the path, so this video is greatly appreciated, especially as a woman. Thank you.
My friend you are synchronicity. You have always been this, but unaware. You are not only the Main Actor in your/you're own play ,but the Advertiser/ marketing agent. We write our play nightly as we close our eyes and awake to the curtain rising. And so the play begins. "There is nothing outside of us that lives. ALL inside IS Alive."
"The initiate begins his journey as the Fool. Year's of flickering candles, aroma of incense, lengthy rite's, and incantations. At last he comes to the end, and he discovers he's a little wiser having tread where many fear to go, but alas he is still a Fool" -Me E.S.H.
@@agrippasdiarythis video was exceptional and well researched from what I can ascertain. I recently read the history of Martinism by Papus and much of what you discussed unbiasedly I read on there. PS. You mentioned a name that many are not familiar with yet, S.D.G. Are you considering making a video on him and the Order he, Papus, and JP created? SDG has a three series book that I have contemplated reading but haven’t decided on.
As a Martinist I find that we often discuss the 3 branches, the lineages, and Christian Kabbalah (though none of it appears in Pasquale's Treatise on the Reintegration of Beings). The initiatic rituals are beautiful, impactful, and simple. Meditation is central. I get way more out of it than from my former membership as a Mason and in the Golden Dawn. But considering that overcoming the fall and reintegrating with the Monad is the ultimate goal. What are the esoteric secrets of the order that lead us to reunion? As per the title of the video.
Your manner of seeking is admirable and unique. Very detailed and far-reaching in directions I don't typically get into or am really even led towards. Having said that, I am pulled towards the wisdom you present, and I am thankful for the revelations that are relevant in my journey. I would be honored to meditate with you. Would you be willing to schedule a live meditation episode with music of your choice? Regardless, I appreciate your channel and look forward to your findings .
This was a great video. Thank you for your efforts in developing this. Since your Pike video, you've really redeemed your content, which was also excellent other than that single stain. Only criticism with this video is in having used Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite symbols when introducing the Rectified Scottish Rite. They are separate organizations, though with similar symbolic influences. The AASR is to the CBCS as the Strict Observance was to the RER. Your work inspired me to join your Patreon. I hope you're able to continue its quality.
@@agrippasdiaryone other point of correction, just to supplement your knowledge and correct another error, the AASR offers 30 degrees. The 33rd Inspector General Honorary is an actual degree that also includes rank and particular structure in the order. The use of "honorary" is often confusing for some, but it is an actual degree. The original version of this degree is now considered a sort of "Investiture" and only given to active members of the Supreme Council, with the title of Sovereign Grand Inspector General, also 33rd degrees.
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great content my good man. Good to hear Saruman himself is narrating
Thank you for representing Martinism, and although a few things off here and there, did it 10 times better than most do. At the end though, the part about the Scottish Rite was really weird and random. The only thing I can think is you meant to include something about the Rectified Scottish Rite (RER) which is related to Martinism and completely different from the 33 degree Scottish Rite you showed. Regardless, excellent work. And there actually are direct traceable lineages to Saint Martin through Russian lodges for those looking for actual filiation
The idea was to present the fact that although the RER must not be confused with the Scottish Rite, elements from the rectified scotish rite and the sixth degree(CBCS) made it into modern Freemasonry. The Order of Knights Beneficent of the Holy City is among the Masonic appendant bodies in England and Wales as a ”green” order.(admitting only trinitarian Christians). Maybe I could have done a better job there, but the subject is so complex, that there will be inevitable misunderstandings. I would love to hear more from you. What others things would you consider were off? I am always looking to correct any mistakes and improve my knowledge. Thank you, fellow mystic.
@@agrippasdiary I think it just went into the "Scottish Rite still exists today" and required the viewer to make the mental connection, could see people losing that point, as I was wondering what angle it was for. Yes its a very complex topic, recapping the few places you did was excellent for people not to get lost, you did a wonderful job. I was wondering as well if that was where you were going with it, because you're right, there are elements that have been been absorbed into the regular Scottish Rite. I'm not in the Scottish Rite, but imagine 29 Knight of Saint Andrew corresponds to the 4th degree of the RER (Scottish Master of Saint Andrew). Not sure if you're a Martinist but have seen Martinists themselves do worse presentations getting tons of things wrong. If you're not, you did a hell of a job researching and gotta give props. Most of the "off" things are little or getting into the weeds really. Like the Russian linage thing I mentioned. SM did initiate Russians and didn't just consult with, or maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Péladan was a major founder of the OKRC which they couldn't really do without him, he was left out. I'd have to go back and rewatch to pick up on the other little things. I know when watching it I wasn't really thinking "WRONG, WRONG, WRONG",.... rather I was thinking "damn, someone's actually doing a really good job on Martinism for once" lol
I am not a Martinist and I am not affiliated with any organisation. This is a one man project and my research is exclusively independent. Dissecting these topics is a passion of mine for I was into esotericism and occultism since my early days. 🌞 Thank you for your input on the subject, it’s very much appreciated. ❤️🔥
I think Martinists world wide and in all orders would benefit greatly from your presentation. There is a purpose to the initiatic chain realized through participation. @@agrippasdiary Your content is the best transmission of the traditions that I have come across. And I learn more about a lot of esoteric stuff I had no clue about.
@@agrippasdiaryit should be noted the Rectified Scottish Rite continues through today as a regular Masonic Rite in the United States as well, though is rather exclusive and not well known beyond a conflict with the Masonic regular Knight Templar order in the United States.
I would appreciate it if you could shine a bit more light on the conflict between the rosecrucians and the illuminati. Such a topic would perhaps also capture the attention of both your esoteric and exoteric audience alike. Peace Profound.
One is light occultism, the other is dark. The main distinguish is that illuminati helped propagate the cult of socialism. Rose crux vs illuminati is simply light vs dark. Those idiots were not illuminated, nor are their descendants today
I really think anymore, that the more I study history, i keep seeing connections like you mentioned and I think that these groups had a lot of influence on the history that we know. The best that a layman could tell
I've always wondered how much the leaders of the pre WWI empires were guided by occult beliefs. Reading about the Romanovs and how the Tsar was into theosophy was interesting.
Check out Mark Passio's presentation on the occult origins of nazism and communism. It will blow your mind. The world is still ruled by dark occultism to this day. They propagate every untruth to keep humanity ignorant
The steps were made with the keys of our innermost sight , very few understand how to see , we all carry the image , yet looking in the mirror wont get you there completely,yet it ends with a transmutation of mind which inhanses the body and the soul reunites with that of which always is has and yet to be
I'm not sure who runs this channel, but I have no way to express by words the value of the information provided in this presentation of ideas and concepts. The Dissection and Timelines bring so many questions upon the narrative that is our current shared memory of his-stories. We certainly have not pieced back together the Akashic records to the degree that other civilizations have in past eons/aeons, but we are building momentum perhaps with the coming alignment of Pluto to be within the cosmic rays of Aquarius the supposed most powerful rooting of our current life-time. The Rozism, Trumpetization, Crossification and Sciencification are all melting together in my mind now...
I took the effort (really no trouble at all) to look at the permanent akashic record as it relates to these individuals named. By this investigation to understand what the motivation and the usefulness of these practices, beliefs, trends, attitudes, histories, and even modern applications. It was quite interesting.
Carl Jung was actually a Christian who studied the occult to better understand mental illness. Most psychologists of his younger days studied parapsychology. He would have been insulted by the way people are using his name now to promote antisocial, satanic pathology. He would not be applauding it at all. Most of the people making such claims about him would not be able to read a single page of his work and comprehend it, but they just know that it sounds deep. That's good enough for them to support the delusions.
@@HealthWyze Great input, you learn everyday, I didn't know this. I just read his books and am amazed to find the similarities in these videos... Thank you for your clarifying that for me.
@@EasyMailmw Jung spent most of his career trying to hide his personal beliefs, because the academic system would have turned against him, similar to the situation now if any professor were to question evolution. The system would have excommunicated him. So, as he wrote about the kind of code that is the language of dreams, he was writing about himself in code. Thus, it could be said that there was a religiously styled order in which is inner circle understood exactly what he meant about himself and religion in general, but it confused his (God's) enemies. He was a bit like Jesus in that regard, using the same strategy. Unfortunately, his strategy tends to confuse people who don't understand him well enough, and so it's easy to mistake his work with occultism. I think reading his work is beneficial, but unfortunately, one isn't likely to be able to fully understand it unless he's been through the individuation process himself. And yes, I can see the parallels between this and the initiations of secret societies. There are parallels, but that's exactly why religious practices are so useful for understanding the human mind, because these apparent spiritual forces help to reflect back upon who we really are. He even referred to certain mental changes as processes of initiation himself. The big difference, of course, was that Jung was concerned with self understanding, while the occult arts are just that. They're misguided attempts at seeking more light, but nonetheless they are the outward expressions of our hard coded desire to seek God - to mature into all that we could be. Occultism, while psychoanalytically useful, seeks to deceive people into participating in the forbidden arts leading one towards satanism, self-destruction, and mental illness in general. What Jung practiced was a lot like the opposite of occultism. He would be the first to tell you that we all have the Devil inside, and escaping his/its influence means seeing it for what it truly is. It takes many forms, but it's usually first archetypaly experienced as The Shadow. Dealing with it is always the first stage of individuation. It's Genesis. It's the original sin. The first step to redemption is accepting that we have evil within ourselves which we've been trying to hide from ourselves most, and it's not pretty when the psychoanalyst holds up a mirror to it. A psychologist knows he's hit the bullseye when the patient storms out angrily, in fact.
@@Izryel_loves_jesus Thank you .I will check it out.i just found the channel... This is a great channel, why is such profound information free. It amazes me...thank you once again.
Busy bee this is an edited version from your other channel but nonetheless worth while to watch. I wonder as a mentor how much growth you have gained surpassing the immense knowledge you already had.
I'm technically a (retired) Priest of the Papus lineage of The Gnostic Catholic Church through my ex-membership in the OTO. Sadly Crowley's influence on the OTO's branch which carries this lineage, the EGC (Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica) is lacking to say the least... It mostly only exists to perform Crowley's "Gnostic" Mass which itself mostly exists as a way to get the OTO a public audience. It does have merits and some aspects are beautiful but the egotistical aspects of Crowley shine through. I've modified the script myself now that I've left the OTO to bring it back in line with more Martinist theology as well as my own general spirituality and Gnostic concepts taken from a few of the Nag Hammadi texts be they Sethian, Valentinian, Hermetic or standalones like The Gospel of Thomas. I've performed this variant with lovers and friends which has been more wonderful an experience than I can put in words. Many in the OTO don't care much for the EGC but even before Knight of East and West which brings EGC teachings to the regular OTO degree system I had gone through baptism, confirmation and the ordination of being deacon (a role I honestly ended up preferring to that of the Priest since, with clear consent of the Priest and Priestess, I would consciously project the duality of my nature (anima and animus, male and female) into the two with the two "Children" (not actually children, its a symbolic role in the Gnostic Mass) acting as conduits as they stand in front of the Masonic inspired pillars inscribed with LVX and NOX. The ceremony itself is based on The Russian Orthodox Church's Liturgy of St. Basil which is then woven in with Thelemic symbolism, hints at the OTO's true final teachings about s-x magick (censoring for TH-cam to hopefully not bury this comment not because I care) and Martinist symbolism however there are aspects I very much dislike such as the Gnostic Saints being invoked which are arbitrary and *of course* end with Aleister Crowley himself because in Thelema he's the most important thing that ever was or will be which is silly beyond parody. Here's some history from a few sources: Wiki: "The Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica descended from a line of French Gnostic revival churches that developed in the 19th century. At that time, these Gnostic churches were essentially Christian in nature. In 1907, Gerard Encausse (Papus), Jean Bricaud and Louis-Sophrone Fugairon founded their own, simply called the Gnostic Catholic Church. In 1908, they gave O.T.O. Grand Master Theodor Reuss episcopal consecration and primatial authority in their GCC. Later that year, Reuss incorporated the Gnostic Catholic Church into O.T.O. after the original founders renamed their own church to the Universal Gnostic Church. The name "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica" was not applied to the church until Crowley wrote the Gnostic Mass in 1913, which Reuss proclaimed to be the church's official rite. This marked the first time an established church was to accept the Law of Thelema as its central doctrine. Reuss then announced a new title for himself: the "Sovereign Patriarch and Primate of the Gnostic Catholic Church". In 1979, Hymenaeus Alpha X° (Grady McMurtry) separated Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica from Ordo Templi Orientis, and made it into an independent organization, with himself at the head of both. During this period of separation Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica published its own quarterly magazine. However, in 1986, his successor, Hymenaeus Beta, dissolved the separate Gnostic Catholic Church corporation and folded the church back into O.T.O. Since then the Church has expanded greatly," Royal Art Society: "Gérard Encausse (1865-1916), better known as Papus, was one of three head Bishops of the French Gnostic Catholic Church, l’Église Gnostique de France. He was a one-time member of the Theosophical Society and a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Papus founded his own Masonic Christian Kabbalist Martinist Order, based on the teachings of Martinez de Pasqually, in 1884, l’Ordre des Supérieurs Inconnus. He also founded the Rosicrucian Kabbalistic Order of the Rose-Croix. Papus never became a regular Freemason in either Anglo-Masonry or the French Grand Orient. He did, however, organize an International Masonic Conference in 1908, where he met Theodore Reuss, head of the O.T.O., and exchanged patents of their respective orders with him, making Reuss Special Inspector for the Martinist order in Germany. Papus became head of the international Rite of Memphis and Misraim when John Yarker died in 1913.
@chrisdipaolo What do you thing it's lacking according to your opinion? is the system of attainment itself, is it definition or actuality of attainment or something else? I have always had this skeptical outlook and I'm weary of old aeonic certainty and metaphysical realism but I'm open to philosophical and practical shifts always.
OTO has nothing to do with Martinism. Martinism doesn’t have anything to do with s-x magic. It’s esoteric Christianity along 3 paths. Chivalric, Theurgical and Contemplative. Many Martinists have affiliation to independent sacramental apostolic churches that aren’t RC. Don’t confuse these churches with Crowley’s Thelemite “Gnostic” churches. These churches are not Christian.
Enoch/Melchisadec/remote generation/4 now we see through a glass darkly but when that which is perfect is come we shall see clearly and I shall know even as I Am known
May I enquire as to what is known about Henri-Charles Dupont, who was the 5th Sovereign Grand Masterof the Ordre Martinist. There is a brief entry in Wikipedia, but I can find little other than that. I wondered if you had further knowledge via the Martinists? Most interesting video.
Im always looking for more connections between kabbalah and christianity. For me, its a pitty that many of the founding cabalists (including Marsilio Ficino) tried to rebel against judeism saying that they didn't understand their own scriptures, because for me the 2 systems are more cohesive than dissonant. This video is an excellent resource for tracing this movment through the 17th centry and provides names, titles, and dates for deeper independent research; the marks of a true voyager compiling maps for his fellow. Thank you for this video, it was much needed, and id like to see more videos explaning the inner-workings of the cabalist system
Christianity is a remedial sink-hole for people who aren't ready to face the concept of karma and reincarnation. What the Buddha Yeshua taught was that WE and the FATHER are ONE. You don't need a church, nor a mass, nor a ritual, you just need the seed of the concept, which is embedded in the word. What is the word? The word is in the NAME.
The Nazis did suppress mysticism, but as is in line with much of their hypocrisies, they freed some esoteric mystics from the camps and recruited them to serve the Third Reich in alignment with the organizations of Thule and Ahnenerbe
Hard to answer the last questions. Many members have an impact on history before joining such orders. Sometimes the impact on history is in the inner nature of the member. In another words, the orders in general show an utopic world it is up to the member to make it happening.
I am looking for fellowship with humans with whom I can converse, concerning such matters as -Christian, Jewish, and hermetic mysticism-, and molti-theosophical /religious studies. As this channel is "the gathering place for mystical seekers", I figured this would be a good place to throw my hook in the water. Please let me know if you as well would be interested in maintaining such a dialogue
The dark night of the soul is a stage of final and complete purification, and is marked by confusion, helplessness, stagnation of the will, and a sense of the withdrawal of God's presence. It is the period of final "unselfing" and the surrender to the hidden purposes of the divine will. The dark night of the soul comes just before revelation. When everything is lost, and all seems darkness, then comes the new life and all that is needed. The darkest nights are followed by the most radiant dawns and the soul, perfect at last, enters into complete, constant and inseparable communion with the Spirit.
Regarding AMORC & Harvey Spencer Lewis, there is a two volume book called The Rosicrucian Fraternity in America by Dr. Clymer. The first volume is about 450 pages, second is about 950 pages. It can be hard to obtain a copy, and sometimes it is upwards of $300 when you can. But worth it, as it contains A LOT and I mean A LOT of very interesting information and exposure of a lot of shady behavior and intent by those assiociated with the founding of AMORC. There is some very detailed information about the history of Rosicrucianism in America, and exposes some very shady behavior by Lewis & and his associates. For example Lewis trying to Sue Mrs. Hiendel for using the term Rosicrucian is a good example. But it goes much beyond that. Even if you don't agree with Clymer on all his points it is a great book for any serious person interested in the occult and history of Rosicrucian influence in America. It should be in any serious Mystics library for the study of Rosicrucian influence in America. Regardless if you agree with some of interpretations or not. It contains a lot of valuble information.
@@adagio333 I hundred percent agree with you. I will say after reading a lot of Clymers works, he is a great teacher. And don't get me wrong, there was a known beef and rivilary between Clymers Rosicrucian order and AMORC. So you can expect somewhat of a bias from Clymer, and for good reason, as AMORC and their associates we're doing some very very dishonorable things. But Clymer exposes a lot and is clear in his works. He speaks and writes with logic rather than emotion, and features tons of references and documents from multiple sources in the book I mentioned aswell. also letters, transcripts, etc. And also connects a lot of dots. If anything it exposes a agenda of AMORC doing some very shady things. Basically proving AMORC was closer to the exact oppisite of what Rosicrucianism was supposed to be. A inner and spiritual process. Not a commercialized hierarchy with material initiations, and donations for monographs that feature plagiarism and misinterpretations. Regardless of the latter, both AMORC, and Randolphs/ Clymers order have attracted a lot of brilliant minds, and have done a lot of good. Even if I tend to agree AMORC is commercialized Rosicrucianism which is contradictory to what the movement intended.
what about Bota, and what about SRIA, and what Rosicrucian organization do you recommend or what authors. What rosicrucian organization is not going to teach s-x practices with sme s-x as a spiritual practice (or do you feel this is valid). I feel very bad for those who dedicate their life to the mysteries only to get wrapped up in encoded sacrificial detestable symbolism (ie Crowley) or un natural (to me) form of procreative forces toward sm sx. I'm very pro Valentinian and pro Kabbalah currently but I hold no authority higher than my own conscience in morals and ethics (but certainly others are higher in knowledge) You seem to know quite a bit and think clearly. What about freemasonry and what about lone paths. What have you found out and what is that finding traced thru history. What is iyo "true Martinism, true Rosicrucianism and true Christianity. If you have an email or web page or contact I will email you from my pseudonym email to learn more Thank you. Obviously you can't dump all your information on these issues but what is the condensed form and conclusion @@imFurbs
I can assure you that SRIA and Martinism as a whole have nothing to do with S/x Magick. I’m also quite certain that AMORC would not be involved with anything like that either. OTO are definitely of that ilk. OTO consuming bodily excretions as sacraments etc is well documented.
I don't know why you are mentioning Rosicrucianism here when this is Martinism. Martinist don't study the Rosicrucian manifestos, don't use the rose cross symbol, and the top Elus Cohen degree title is French for Red Cross- not Rose Cross. Most members of AMORC confuse themselves thinking it's all the same when it is not.
I love studying Kabalah the Sefer Yetzra actually comes from my family lineage.My last name is Safriet in Hebrew it means to count or counting and Numbers reminds me of Moses.
Great question! This could be referring to 2 different but simultaneous things. 1) the S:.I:. degree is conferred as a ritual and each order has different rituals that express the same mystical concepts (emphasizing some more than others), so Papus and Chaboseau could have described to each other what their individual initiation ceremonies were like. 2) there is a transmission (like an Apostolic succession) that is given at the culmination ceremony. In order to cover over any of the possible missing generations from St. Martin to Papus or from St. Martin to Chaboseau, they decided to reinforce its efficacy by giving to each other their individual lineages that the other may or may not be "missing," but are undocumented due to the fractured nature of the various people who St. Martin would have given it to during his lifetime. Hope that helps your understanding?
It means those with the authority , initiate each other at a high level and don't have to go through the usual progression pathways of the average neophyte ( 5 + years) They validate each other back to a true initiatic chain. It is recorded in initiation records to prove validity in the future. Or they are initiated into all levels progressively at a convention or a special gathering over the course of a weekend.
Very interesting. I wasn't present in the French revolution so there's no way for me to know how and why it happened. However, there are those of the opinion that it was incited and backed by private interests to overthrow the established order, very much the same way the woke/socialist/communist movement is being backed by private interests, corporations and international organizations today. What are your thoughts on this matter?
From my understanding, the highest degree of the theurgic Elu Cohen rite has a French title of Red Cross and not Rose Cross. Pasqually's rite isn't Rosicrucianism as some misunderstand it.
Thank you for your time and effort on these videos! I come back to this channel often to expand and grasp for something new. --- I sure hope our history is richer. One thing that needs to be cleared up is the relationship between history's oppressors and the oppressed. I'm not fond of the history I see that points to assimilation of indigenous peoples and slavery of specific races. If the order doesn't actively disavow race-based hatred, segregation and enslavement, there is no profound wisdom within such a group. Purify the philosophers stone; churn within, but don't spill.
"Sometimes, we can no longer untangle the knots stacked up like strata, so a chronic illness can set in. We are then in chaos in our unconscious. The barriers and blockages are shatan (meaning Satan, who personifies our resistance to being); we must therefore dissolve these knots!" (Direct quote from a Martinist Order writing.) I'm sorry but the last thing I need is another organization claiming that if someone is ill, than it must be the cause of not being "holy enough" in some way. What difference does a group like that have from a group of legalistic so-called "Christians" claiming that if you are not healed it must be due to "secret sins" in your life?
What's wild is I live in JC Jefferson County Mo and I live in Olympia Village in a town of DeSoto home of the Dragons .I have the mark on my heart a pierce mark. In 2018 about 4 months after the eclipse of 17 I had a dream I was going to throw in my God. There's an angel to my right put metal chunks three of them to my face and I took him and I put them together like a puzzle and I built a tablet had gold polished water trim purple violet face with weird writing on it.I unrolled the scroll i believe
In the shadows of mystic lore, The Martinist Order, seekers adore. Christian mysticism, esoteric art, Unveiling truths from the ancient heart. A narrative spun, of spiritual descent, First man's fall, a tale unbent. From grace to material, the journey unfolds, A distance from the divine, a story to be told. The Christian Kabbalistic arts, a hidden key, The Martinists delve, in secrecy. Unknown heirs to wisdom profound, In the mystic's embrace, truths are found. Reintegration, a central theme, The path to redemption, like a serene dream. A journey of souls, seeking the light, To return to the essence, divinely bright. In the Order's halls, where mysteries dance, The Martinists weave, in a cosmic trance. Unknown heirs, in the shadows they dwell, Guardians of wisdom, a sacred spell. The Christian mystic's legacy, alive and well, In the Martinist Order, the stories swell. The unknown heirs, in the esoteric arts, Unveiling truths, connecting hearts. A journey of spirit, a divine romance, The Martinist path, a mystical dance. In the echoes of Christian Kabbalistic lore, Unknown heirs arise, seeking evermore.
It has been called Gnosticism, but it isn't. The fall of man and redemption is ... kind of un-Gnostic. The essence of Gnosticism is that you didn't "fall" by your own fault, but you were trapped by "evil" or rather "material" or "sinister" forces originating from the matter. The "redemption" theme is then counterparted by an "insight" theme and "personal development" theme. Similar, but not the same. The idea that Gnosticism equals "Wild Mysticism" and "Salvation teachings" is just a projection of everything that Catholicism mistrusted. UPDATE: I get it that the Martinist Order is just another complicated teaching of raging systemism, that doesn't really teach individuals to improve their wisdom, but instead do a lot of rites that are *supposed* but not empirically attested to improve the individual.
Would you be open to discussing the Hebdomad? It’s common physical manifestations and methods of communication? I see a lot of references to the septenary/heptad/Hebdomad in your work, and it would be interesting to see a video dedicated to their interconnectivity across multiple systems. Please 🙏🏻 Anything from color, shape (the arche), its relationship to androgyny, the mountain, initiation, 4 and 3…
”The only initiation which I advocate and which I look for with all the ardor of my Soul, is that by which we are able to enter into the Heart of God within us, and there make an Indissoluble Marriage, which makes us the Friend and Spouse of the Repairer… There is no other way to arrive at this Holy Initiation than for us to delve more and more into the depth of our Soul and to not let go of the prize until we have succeeded in liberating its lively and vivifying origin.”
- Louis Claude de Saint-Martin
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I cannot express the awe an wonder that your channel has instilled in my heart. Something that today, I find lacking in most things. Thank you sir.
I subbed when you had 55k subs. Nice to see you grow, congrats
@agrippasdiary, please do a video on the Comte de St Germain! One of the greatest adepts to ever walk this earth! I love your work so much. I look forward to your videos more than any other. Your work is very very much appreciated!
And hall says man wishes to make hell of below to give back to above
Is it the same St Martin as the university in Olympia is named?
I initiated as a Martinist and then my Master died, at which time I worked in solitary practice. This is actually part of the path, so this video is greatly appreciated, especially as a woman. Thank you.
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I just started reading about Martinism yesterday and woke up to an Agrippa’s Diary video on it today. Synchronicities abound.
My friend you are synchronicity. You have always been this, but unaware.
You are not only the Main Actor in your/you're own play ,but the Advertiser/ marketing agent. We write our play nightly as we close our eyes and awake to the curtain rising. And so the play begins.
"There is nothing outside of us that lives. ALL inside IS Alive."
Or ……..your online movements are being constantly monitored!!!
@@jktekkerz8735 now you're just sounding paranoid.
@@theoak64 this is enlightening. Very Shakespearean, the world is a stage
Synchronicity? Bahahaha, no fool. That's called algorithms
"The initiate begins his journey as the Fool. Year's of flickering candles, aroma of incense, lengthy rite's, and incantations. At last he comes to the end, and he discovers he's a little wiser having tread where many fear to go, but alas he is still a Fool"
-Me E.S.H.
Nothing like a bit of nihilism to make you appear intelligent to those none the wiser.
Love your content Agrippa ❤
Thank you so much for watching! 🌞❤️🔥
Most excellent content Agrippa
Thanks
This is excellent content. Thank you.
Many thanks for your work.
I am excited to watch this, you're one of my 2 favorite channels right now.
What's the second??
@@Vivec- it's "Eternalised"
@@milkyywayy999 nice, good taste
Honoured to heart that. Thank you so much, fellow mystics! 🌞❤️🔥
So nice to hear Christopher Lee narrating this. Seems appropriate.
Not really, considering Lee advised against becoming involved with the occult, for fear of losing your soul.
@@skaus2184 he advised against black magick, not the occult in general and he was known to have a large occult library.
@@John_H7775 From his own lips. th-cam.com/video/vRVQD4FKPrY/w-d-xo.html
Exactly.
Thanks!
Woah! Was not expecting a video on Martinism! Going to give this a watch as soon as I can give it undivided attention!
Cool, looking forward to hearing your thoughts! 🌞
@@agrippasdiarythis video was exceptional and well researched from what I can ascertain. I recently read the history of Martinism by Papus and much of what you discussed unbiasedly I read on there.
PS. You mentioned a name that many are not familiar with yet, S.D.G. Are you considering making a video on him and the Order he, Papus, and JP created? SDG has a three series book that I have contemplated reading but haven’t decided on.
Stanislaus is with researching.
GLORIOUS. THANK YOU !!!!!! THESE ORGANIZATIONS INFLUENCED, AND STILL INFLUENCE EVERYTHING👏👏👏😊❤💜❤💟💌
Beautifully presented and thoroughly well researched... yet another masterpiece from Agrippa's Diary 😊
Thanks a lot, fellow seeker! 🌞
As a Martinist I find that we often discuss the 3 branches, the lineages, and Christian Kabbalah (though none of it appears in Pasquale's Treatise on the Reintegration of Beings). The initiatic rituals are beautiful, impactful, and simple. Meditation is central. I get way more out of it than from my former membership as a Mason and in the Golden Dawn. But considering that overcoming the fall and reintegrating with the Monad is the ultimate goal. What are the esoteric secrets of the order that lead us to reunion? As per the title of the video.
im looking to join ! have you had many mystical experiences with reunion?
i am really into Rosicrucian and mysticism.
Because golden dawn was defiled by a certain con man
@@nohface7565 who? Israel Regardie?
@@dansemacabre6515 Crowley
@@dansemacabre6515 I think he is talking about AC
Thank you for doing such a beautiful video on my tradition, Brother!
Glad you enjoyed it. Peace profound! 🌞
@@agrippasdiarypax profundis
Gratitude for these Scholarly Works!
Greetings from Grass Valley
California
Another amazing video Brother. I wasn't expecting a video on Louis-Claude.
Thanks! 🖤❤️🤍
Thank you for sharing this information, some very valuable insights! Keep up the great work!!
Thank you! Will do! 🌞
Still trying to learn. Thank you for your videos.
Fantastic! Be blessed.
Thank you for this video very interesting!
Very Instructive, Bravo !
Your manner of seeking is admirable and unique. Very detailed and far-reaching in directions I don't typically get into or am really even led towards. Having said that, I am pulled towards the wisdom you present, and I am thankful for the revelations that are relevant in my journey. I would be honored to meditate with you. Would you be willing to schedule a live meditation episode with music of your choice? Regardless, I appreciate your channel and look forward to your findings .
29:53 The Man the Myth the Legend who begun my mature Journey into the Esoteric and Alchemy
It's rare to hear about that topic in such details in English, thanks for sharing!
It all makes sense now, I'm floored and incredibly intrigued
This was a great video. Thank you for your efforts in developing this. Since your Pike video, you've really redeemed your content, which was also excellent other than that single stain.
Only criticism with this video is in having used Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite symbols when introducing the Rectified Scottish Rite. They are separate organizations, though with similar symbolic influences. The AASR is to the CBCS as the Strict Observance was to the RER.
Your work inspired me to join your Patreon. I hope you're able to continue its quality.
I have explained the reasoning for the usage of the symbols in another comment. Thank you so much for your support and for sticking around!
@@agrippasdiary, thank you for your reply. I'll look for your other response to earlier comments.
@@agrippasdiaryone other point of correction, just to supplement your knowledge and correct another error, the AASR offers 30 degrees. The 33rd Inspector General Honorary is an actual degree that also includes rank and particular structure in the order. The use of "honorary" is often confusing for some, but it is an actual degree. The original version of this degree is now considered a sort of "Investiture" and only given to active members of the Supreme Council, with the title of Sovereign Grand Inspector General, also 33rd degrees.
great content my good man. Good to hear Saruman himself is narrating
This is a beautiful video. Well done on many plains…
Fantastic!
Great work!! 🌹🧙🏽♂️🗝️
Thank you for representing Martinism, and although a few things off here and there, did it 10 times better than most do. At the end though, the part about the Scottish Rite was really weird and random. The only thing I can think is you meant to include something about the Rectified Scottish Rite (RER) which is related to Martinism and completely different from the 33 degree Scottish Rite you showed. Regardless, excellent work. And there actually are direct traceable lineages to Saint Martin through Russian lodges for those looking for actual filiation
The idea was to present the fact that although the RER must not be confused with the Scottish Rite, elements from the rectified scotish rite and the sixth degree(CBCS) made it into modern Freemasonry. The Order of Knights Beneficent of the Holy City is among the Masonic appendant bodies in England and Wales as a ”green” order.(admitting only trinitarian Christians). Maybe I could have done a better job there, but the subject is so complex, that there will be inevitable misunderstandings.
I would love to hear more from you. What others things would you consider were off? I am always looking to correct any mistakes and improve my knowledge. Thank you, fellow mystic.
@@agrippasdiary I think it just went into the "Scottish Rite still exists today" and required the viewer to make the mental connection, could see people losing that point, as I was wondering what angle it was for. Yes its a very complex topic, recapping the few places you did was excellent for people not to get lost, you did a wonderful job. I was wondering as well if that was where you were going with it, because you're right, there are elements that have been been absorbed into the regular Scottish Rite. I'm not in the Scottish Rite, but imagine 29 Knight of Saint Andrew corresponds to the 4th degree of the RER (Scottish Master of Saint Andrew).
Not sure if you're a Martinist but have seen Martinists themselves do worse presentations getting tons of things wrong. If you're not, you did a hell of a job researching and gotta give props. Most of the "off" things are little or getting into the weeds really. Like the Russian linage thing I mentioned. SM did initiate Russians and didn't just consult with, or maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Péladan was a major founder of the OKRC which they couldn't really do without him, he was left out. I'd have to go back and rewatch to pick up on the other little things. I know when watching it I wasn't really thinking "WRONG, WRONG, WRONG",.... rather I was thinking "damn, someone's actually doing a really good job on Martinism for once" lol
I am not a Martinist and I am not affiliated with any organisation. This is a one man project and my research is exclusively independent.
Dissecting these topics is a passion of mine for I was into esotericism and occultism since my early days. 🌞
Thank you for your input on the subject, it’s very much appreciated. ❤️🔥
I think Martinists world wide and in all orders would benefit greatly from your presentation. There is a purpose to the initiatic chain realized through participation. @@agrippasdiary Your content is the best transmission of the traditions that I have come across. And I learn more about a lot of esoteric stuff I had no clue about.
@@agrippasdiaryit should be noted the Rectified Scottish Rite continues through today as a regular Masonic Rite in the United States as well, though is rather exclusive and not well known beyond a conflict with the Masonic regular Knight Templar order in the United States.
I would appreciate it if you could shine a bit more light on the conflict between the rosecrucians and the illuminati. Such a topic would perhaps also capture the attention of both your esoteric and exoteric audience alike.
Peace Profound.
One is light occultism, the other is dark. The main distinguish is that illuminati helped propagate the cult of socialism.
Rose crux vs illuminati is simply light vs dark. Those idiots were not illuminated, nor are their descendants today
They were both present at the convent of Wilhelmsbad organized by Willermoz
Great followup to watching robert sepher's aryan magi and history of zionism.
Thank you!
Love and blessings.
@terrytepelena5128 great to watch after this is chuck swindolls khazarian mafia duology.
Happy new year!
I really think anymore, that the more I study history, i keep seeing connections like you mentioned and I think that these groups had a lot of influence on the history that we know.
The best that a layman could tell
The influence on freemasonry is an influence on Later Day Saints
I've always wondered how much the leaders of the pre WWI empires were guided by occult beliefs. Reading about the Romanovs and how the Tsar was into theosophy was interesting.
Check out Mark Passio's presentation on the occult origins of nazism and communism. It will blow your mind. The world is still ruled by dark occultism to this day. They propagate every untruth to keep humanity ignorant
The steps were made with the keys of our innermost sight , very few understand how to see , we all carry the image , yet looking in the mirror wont get you there completely,yet it ends with a transmutation of mind which inhanses the body and the soul reunites with that of which always is has and yet to be
That final inquiry into the historic influence of these orders is what i live for. Thank you AD ❤️🔥🕊️
Historic influence? What about current embodiment of the philosophy?
@@kosmicwizard Would the former not flow directly into the latter? I would consider them one and the same - a continuity.
@Shin_Lona ideally they would. But often outside observers study history without knowing that these philosophies should be lived. Just my opinion
"One who divides God does not understand Oneness"
Many heads, many eyes, one body, a supreme celestial body beyond all Light 🌹
To the question you asked at the end: Is the connection Robert Sepehr is making in his latest video per your research?
I'm not sure who runs this channel, but I have no way to express by words the value of the information provided in this presentation of ideas and concepts.
The Dissection and Timelines bring so many questions upon the narrative that is our current shared memory of his-stories. We certainly have not pieced back together the Akashic records to the degree that other civilizations have in past eons/aeons, but we are building momentum perhaps with the coming alignment of Pluto to be within the cosmic rays of Aquarius the supposed most powerful rooting of our current life-time.
The Rozism, Trumpetization, Crossification and Sciencification are all melting together in my mind now...
Thank you ….Very Interesting……It Was Very Sad with The Tsar’s Family…..Anger and Jealousy Everywhere…….🌞
Veritas vos liberabit 🙏,gratias.🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
I took the effort (really no trouble at all) to look at the permanent akashic record as it relates to these individuals named. By this investigation to understand what the motivation and the usefulness of these practices, beliefs, trends, attitudes, histories, and even modern applications. It was quite interesting.
In the Light of Martinism! ✡️🌹🕯️
I recommend checking out Europa: The Last Battle for additional information on WWII.
Shut up you freaking neo-Nazi!
This is literal hate speech, but I get my comment deleted for calling a spade a spade?
@@kosmicwizardi watched it years ago. Its mostly a propoganda piece but so is the accepted narrative
Beautiful
Carl Jung makes more sense now! that guy was a mystic wowwww..😮.
Carl Jung was actually a Christian who studied the occult to better understand mental illness. Most psychologists of his younger days studied parapsychology. He would have been insulted by the way people are using his name now to promote antisocial, satanic pathology. He would not be applauding it at all. Most of the people making such claims about him would not be able to read a single page of his work and comprehend it, but they just know that it sounds deep. That's good enough for them to support the delusions.
@@HealthWyze Great input, you learn everyday, I didn't know this. I just read his books and am amazed to find the similarities in these videos... Thank you for your clarifying that for me.
@@EasyMailmw Jung spent most of his career trying to hide his personal beliefs, because the academic system would have turned against him, similar to the situation now if any professor were to question evolution. The system would have excommunicated him. So, as he wrote about the kind of code that is the language of dreams, he was writing about himself in code. Thus, it could be said that there was a religiously styled order in which is inner circle understood exactly what he meant about himself and religion in general, but it confused his (God's) enemies. He was a bit like Jesus in that regard, using the same strategy. Unfortunately, his strategy tends to confuse people who don't understand him well enough, and so it's easy to mistake his work with occultism.
I think reading his work is beneficial, but unfortunately, one isn't likely to be able to fully understand it unless he's been through the individuation process himself. And yes, I can see the parallels between this and the initiations of secret societies. There are parallels, but that's exactly why religious practices are so useful for understanding the human mind, because these apparent spiritual forces help to reflect back upon who we really are. He even referred to certain mental changes as processes of initiation himself. The big difference, of course, was that Jung was concerned with self understanding, while the occult arts are just that. They're misguided attempts at seeking more light, but nonetheless they are the outward expressions of our hard coded desire to seek God - to mature into all that we could be. Occultism, while psychoanalytically useful, seeks to deceive people into participating in the forbidden arts leading one towards satanism, self-destruction, and mental illness in general. What Jung practiced was a lot like the opposite of occultism. He would be the first to tell you that we all have the Devil inside, and escaping his/its influence means seeing it for what it truly is. It takes many forms, but it's usually first archetypaly experienced as The Shadow. Dealing with it is always the first stage of individuation. It's Genesis. It's the original sin. The first step to redemption is accepting that we have evil within ourselves which we've been trying to hide from ourselves most, and it's not pretty when the psychoanalyst holds up a mirror to it. A psychologist knows he's hit the bullseye when the patient storms out angrily, in fact.
He has a whole video on it, you should check it put
@@Izryel_loves_jesus Thank you .I will check it out.i just found the channel... This is a great channel, why is such profound information free. It amazes me...thank you once again.
Thank you dear 🫶🏻
I am Joey Delvano and I love y'all ❤
Busy bee this is an edited version from your other channel but nonetheless worth while to watch. I wonder as a mentor how much growth you have gained surpassing the immense knowledge you already had.
I'm technically a (retired) Priest of the Papus lineage of The Gnostic Catholic Church through my ex-membership in the OTO. Sadly Crowley's influence on the OTO's branch which carries this lineage, the EGC (Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica) is lacking to say the least... It mostly only exists to perform Crowley's "Gnostic" Mass which itself mostly exists as a way to get the OTO a public audience. It does have merits and some aspects are beautiful but the egotistical aspects of Crowley shine through. I've modified the script myself now that I've left the OTO to bring it back in line with more Martinist theology as well as my own general spirituality and Gnostic concepts taken from a few of the Nag Hammadi texts be they Sethian, Valentinian, Hermetic or standalones like The Gospel of Thomas. I've performed this variant with lovers and friends which has been more wonderful an experience than I can put in words.
Many in the OTO don't care much for the EGC but even before Knight of East and West which brings EGC teachings to the regular OTO degree system I had gone through baptism, confirmation and the ordination of being deacon (a role I honestly ended up preferring to that of the Priest since, with clear consent of the Priest and Priestess, I would consciously project the duality of my nature (anima and animus, male and female) into the two with the two "Children" (not actually children, its a symbolic role in the Gnostic Mass) acting as conduits as they stand in front of the Masonic inspired pillars inscribed with LVX and NOX. The ceremony itself is based on The Russian Orthodox Church's Liturgy of St. Basil which is then woven in with Thelemic symbolism, hints at the OTO's true final teachings about s-x magick (censoring for TH-cam to hopefully not bury this comment not because I care) and Martinist symbolism however there are aspects I very much dislike such as the Gnostic Saints being invoked which are arbitrary and *of course* end with Aleister Crowley himself because in Thelema he's the most important thing that ever was or will be which is silly beyond parody.
Here's some history from a few sources:
Wiki: "The Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica descended from a line of French Gnostic revival churches that developed in the 19th century. At that time, these Gnostic churches were essentially Christian in nature. In 1907, Gerard Encausse (Papus), Jean Bricaud and Louis-Sophrone Fugairon founded their own, simply called the Gnostic Catholic Church. In 1908, they gave O.T.O. Grand Master Theodor Reuss episcopal consecration and primatial authority in their GCC. Later that year, Reuss incorporated the Gnostic Catholic Church into O.T.O. after the original founders renamed their own church to the Universal Gnostic Church.
The name "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica" was not applied to the church until Crowley wrote the Gnostic Mass in 1913, which Reuss proclaimed to be the church's official rite. This marked the first time an established church was to accept the Law of Thelema as its central doctrine. Reuss then announced a new title for himself: the "Sovereign Patriarch and Primate of the Gnostic Catholic Church".
In 1979, Hymenaeus Alpha X° (Grady McMurtry) separated Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica from Ordo Templi Orientis, and made it into an independent organization, with himself at the head of both. During this period of separation Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica published its own quarterly magazine. However, in 1986, his successor, Hymenaeus Beta, dissolved the separate Gnostic Catholic Church corporation and folded the church back into O.T.O. Since then the Church has expanded greatly,"
Royal Art Society: "Gérard Encausse (1865-1916), better known as Papus, was one of three head Bishops of the French Gnostic Catholic Church, l’Église Gnostique de France. He was a one-time member of the Theosophical Society and a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Papus founded his own Masonic Christian Kabbalist Martinist Order, based on the teachings of Martinez de Pasqually, in 1884, l’Ordre des Supérieurs Inconnus. He also founded the Rosicrucian Kabbalistic Order of the Rose-Croix.
Papus never became a regular Freemason in either Anglo-Masonry or the French Grand Orient. He did, however, organize an International Masonic Conference in 1908, where he met Theodore Reuss, head of the O.T.O., and exchanged patents of their respective orders with him, making Reuss Special Inspector for the Martinist order in Germany. Papus became head of the international Rite of Memphis and Misraim when John Yarker died in 1913.
So s-x magic is ingrained in the principles of Martinism, as is with the OTO?
It's all butt-stuff bro.
@chrisdipaolo What do you thing it's lacking according to your opinion? is the system of attainment itself, is it definition or actuality of attainment or something else? I have always had this skeptical outlook and I'm weary of old aeonic certainty and metaphysical realism but I'm open to philosophical and practical shifts always.
OTO has nothing to do with Martinism.
Martinism doesn’t have anything to do with s-x magic. It’s esoteric Christianity along 3 paths. Chivalric, Theurgical and Contemplative.
Many Martinists have affiliation to independent sacramental apostolic churches that aren’t RC.
Don’t confuse these churches with Crowley’s Thelemite “Gnostic” churches. These churches are not Christian.
AS ABOVE, SO BELOW ❤🌟🙏
Namaste 😊
Thank you for posting the disclaimer re: AI voice.
Fooled me with the ai voice until you plugged your channel. Wow. What software did you use?
Wow what a voice :)
Thank you
‘Twas a bleak,galeforce stricken wet winter night in the dreary bleary eyed Briton,when the new Agrippa vid dropped..
‘Twas, i tell ya’..
You do a terrific job pronouncing all those foreign names and places
Enoch/Melchisadec/remote generation/4 now we see through a glass darkly but when that which is perfect is come we shall see clearly and I shall know even as I Am known
May I enquire as to what is known about Henri-Charles Dupont, who was the 5th Sovereign Grand Masterof the Ordre Martinist. There is a brief entry in Wikipedia, but I can find little other than that. I wondered if you had further knowledge via the Martinists? Most interesting video.
My friend, you familiar with Alois Mailander?
Im always looking for more connections between kabbalah and christianity. For me, its a pitty that many of the founding cabalists (including Marsilio Ficino) tried to rebel against judeism saying that they didn't understand their own scriptures, because for me the 2 systems are more cohesive than dissonant. This video is an excellent resource for tracing this movment through the 17th centry and provides names, titles, and dates for deeper independent research; the marks of a true voyager compiling maps for his fellow. Thank you for this video, it was much needed, and id like to see more videos explaning the inner-workings of the cabalist system
Christianity is a remedial sink-hole for people who aren't ready to face the concept of karma and reincarnation. What the Buddha Yeshua taught was that WE and the FATHER are ONE.
You don't need a church, nor a mass, nor a ritual, you just need the seed of the concept, which is embedded in the word. What is the word? The word is in the NAME.
21:35 i feel called out 😂
Excellent
17:40-1840 I love this
Help ? I can not find info about the "lamekhian " ......?
The Nazis did suppress mysticism, but as is in line with much of their hypocrisies, they freed some esoteric mystics from the camps and recruited them to serve the Third Reich in alignment with the organizations of Thule and Ahnenerbe
Schwarze Sonne
Ok so vilamor was connected to other satanic orders
I came here via Franz von Baader!
Why when watching this do I feel I'm watching something from Secureteam10?
Schelling and Eckartshausen were also influenced by Martinism
Hard to answer the last questions. Many members have an impact on history before joining such orders. Sometimes the impact on history is in the inner nature of the member. In another words, the orders in general show an utopic world it is up to the member to make it happening.
Thanks
I am looking for fellowship with humans with whom I can converse, concerning such matters as -Christian, Jewish, and hermetic mysticism-, and molti-theosophical /religious studies. As this channel is "the gathering place for mystical seekers", I figured this would be a good place to throw my hook in the water. Please let me know if you as well would be interested in maintaining such a dialogue
Absolutely
The dark night of the soul is a stage of final and complete purification, and is marked by confusion, helplessness, stagnation of the will, and a sense of the withdrawal of God's presence. It is the period of final "unselfing" and the surrender to the hidden purposes of the divine will.
The dark night of the soul comes just before revelation. When everything is lost, and all seems darkness, then comes the new life and all that is needed.
The darkest nights are followed by the most radiant dawns and the soul, perfect at last, enters into complete, constant and inseparable communion with the Spirit.
shout out to the creator of this channel!
Unity, Duality, multiplicity, Union
Regarding AMORC & Harvey Spencer Lewis, there is a two volume book called The Rosicrucian Fraternity in America by Dr. Clymer. The first volume is about 450 pages, second is about 950 pages. It can be hard to obtain a copy, and sometimes it is upwards of $300 when you can. But worth it, as it contains A LOT and I mean A LOT of very interesting information and exposure of a lot of shady behavior and intent by those assiociated with the founding of AMORC.
There is some very detailed information about the history of Rosicrucianism in America, and exposes some very shady behavior by Lewis & and his associates. For example Lewis trying to Sue Mrs. Hiendel for using the term Rosicrucian is a good example. But it goes much beyond that. Even if you don't agree with Clymer on all his points it is a great book for any serious person interested in the occult and history of Rosicrucian influence in America. It should be in any serious Mystics library for the study of Rosicrucian influence in America. Regardless if you agree with some of interpretations or not. It contains a lot of valuble information.
@@adagio333 I hundred percent agree with you.
I will say after reading a lot of Clymers works, he is a great teacher. And don't get me wrong, there was a known beef and rivilary between Clymers Rosicrucian order and AMORC. So you can expect somewhat of a bias from Clymer, and for good reason, as AMORC and their associates we're doing some very very dishonorable things. But Clymer exposes a lot and is clear in his works. He speaks and writes with logic rather than emotion, and features tons of references and documents from multiple sources in the book I mentioned aswell. also letters, transcripts, etc. And also connects a lot of dots.
If anything it exposes a agenda of AMORC doing some very shady things. Basically proving AMORC was closer to the exact oppisite of what Rosicrucianism was supposed to be. A inner and spiritual process. Not a commercialized hierarchy with material initiations, and donations for monographs that feature plagiarism and misinterpretations.
Regardless of the latter, both AMORC, and Randolphs/ Clymers order have attracted a lot of brilliant minds, and have done a lot of good. Even if I tend to agree AMORC is commercialized Rosicrucianism which is contradictory to what the movement intended.
what about Bota, and what about SRIA, and what Rosicrucian organization do you recommend or what authors. What rosicrucian organization is not going to teach s-x practices with sme s-x as a spiritual practice (or do you feel this is valid). I feel very bad for those who dedicate their life to the mysteries only to get wrapped up in encoded sacrificial detestable symbolism (ie Crowley) or un natural (to me) form of procreative forces toward sm sx. I'm very pro Valentinian and pro Kabbalah currently but I hold no authority higher than my own conscience in morals and ethics (but certainly others are higher in knowledge) You seem to know quite a bit and think clearly. What about freemasonry and what about lone paths. What have you found out and what is that finding traced thru history. What is iyo "true Martinism, true Rosicrucianism and true Christianity. If you have an email or web page or contact I will email you from my pseudonym email to learn more Thank you. Obviously you can't dump all your information on these issues but what is the condensed form and conclusion @@imFurbs
I can assure you that SRIA and Martinism as a whole have nothing to do with S/x Magick. I’m also quite certain that AMORC would not be involved with anything like that either.
OTO are definitely of that ilk. OTO consuming bodily excretions as sacraments etc is well documented.
I don't know why you are mentioning Rosicrucianism here when this is Martinism. Martinist don't study the Rosicrucian manifestos, don't use the rose cross symbol, and the top Elus Cohen degree title is French for Red Cross- not Rose Cross. Most members of AMORC confuse themselves thinking it's all the same when it is not.
I love studying Kabalah the Sefer Yetzra actually comes from my family lineage.My last name is Safriet in Hebrew it means to count or counting and Numbers reminds me of Moses.
How does one "swap Initiations"? I don't get that.
Great question! This could be referring to 2 different but simultaneous things. 1) the S:.I:. degree is conferred as a ritual and each order has different rituals that express the same mystical concepts (emphasizing some more than others), so Papus and Chaboseau could have described to each other what their individual initiation ceremonies were like.
2) there is a transmission (like an Apostolic succession) that is given at the culmination ceremony. In order to cover over any of the possible missing generations from St. Martin to Papus or from St. Martin to Chaboseau, they decided to reinforce its efficacy by giving to each other their individual lineages that the other may or may not be "missing," but are undocumented due to the fractured nature of the various people who St. Martin would have given it to during his lifetime. Hope that helps your understanding?
2 is the correct answer, bravos. This community is so well read, it’s a delight to read the comments.
@@agrippasdiary both are correct. :)
It means those with the authority , initiate each other at a high level and don't have to go through the usual progression pathways of the average neophyte ( 5 + years) They validate each other back to a true initiatic chain. It is recorded in initiation records to prove validity in the future. Or they are initiated into all levels progressively at a convention or a special gathering over the course of a weekend.
Very interesting.
I wasn't present in the French revolution so there's no way for me to know how and why it happened. However, there are those of the opinion that it was incited and backed by private interests to overthrow the established order, very much the same way the woke/socialist/communist movement is being backed by private interests, corporations and international organizations today. What are your thoughts on this matter?
Why would powerful corporations fund a political ideology that seeks to abolish capitalism and corporate hegemony?
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From my understanding, the highest degree of the theurgic Elu Cohen rite has a French title of Red Cross and not Rose Cross. Pasqually's rite isn't Rosicrucianism as some misunderstand it.
If we ever get disclosure. It'll take a generation to untangle the mess
I think they recovered the French Archives from Moscow that have some records of his lodge.
Thank you for your time and effort on these videos! I come back to this channel often to expand and grasp for something new.
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I sure hope our history is richer. One thing that needs to be cleared up is the relationship between history's oppressors and the oppressed. I'm not fond of the history I see that points to assimilation of indigenous peoples and slavery of specific races.
If the order doesn't actively disavow race-based hatred, segregation and enslavement, there is no profound wisdom within such a group.
Purify the philosophers stone; churn within, but don't spill.
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"Sometimes, we can no longer untangle the knots stacked up like
strata, so a chronic illness can set in. We are then in chaos in our
unconscious. The barriers and blockages are shatan (meaning Satan,
who personifies our resistance to being); we must therefore dissolve
these knots!" (Direct quote from a Martinist Order writing.) I'm sorry but the last thing I need is another organization claiming that if someone is ill, than it must be the cause of not being "holy enough" in some way. What difference does a group like that have from a group of legalistic so-called "Christians" claiming that if you are not healed it must be due to "secret sins" in your life?
French Revolution vs. American revolution one was judgment and one was mercy
Balzac was a martinist?
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What's wild is I live in JC Jefferson County Mo and I live in Olympia Village in a town of DeSoto home of the Dragons .I have the mark on my heart a pierce mark. In 2018 about 4 months after the eclipse of 17 I had a dream I was going to throw in my God. There's an angel to my right put metal chunks three of them to my face and I took him and I put them together like a puzzle and I built a tablet had gold polished water trim purple violet face with weird writing on it.I unrolled the scroll i believe
In the shadows of mystic lore,
The Martinist Order, seekers adore.
Christian mysticism, esoteric art,
Unveiling truths from the ancient heart.
A narrative spun, of spiritual descent,
First man's fall, a tale unbent.
From grace to material, the journey unfolds,
A distance from the divine, a story to be told.
The Christian Kabbalistic arts, a hidden key,
The Martinists delve, in secrecy.
Unknown heirs to wisdom profound,
In the mystic's embrace, truths are found.
Reintegration, a central theme,
The path to redemption, like a serene dream.
A journey of souls, seeking the light,
To return to the essence, divinely bright.
In the Order's halls, where mysteries dance,
The Martinists weave, in a cosmic trance.
Unknown heirs, in the shadows they dwell,
Guardians of wisdom, a sacred spell.
The Christian mystic's legacy, alive and well,
In the Martinist Order, the stories swell.
The unknown heirs, in the esoteric arts,
Unveiling truths, connecting hearts.
A journey of spirit, a divine romance,
The Martinist path, a mystical dance.
In the echoes of Christian Kabbalistic lore,
Unknown heirs arise, seeking evermore.
Not the esoteric eye doctor idea?
@34:56 A whole lot...
Philosophical Polarity 🔺 Vs 🌹
It is the marriage of figaro now that has happened the 02/04/2024 at 2'13 am and the number is 5. A.O
They dont have to perspective for pain to be communicated
I bought a book no the Martinists, having no idea all these famous humbugs were involved.
It has been called Gnosticism, but it isn't. The fall of man and redemption is ... kind of un-Gnostic. The essence of Gnosticism is that you didn't "fall" by your own fault, but you were trapped by "evil" or rather "material" or "sinister" forces originating from the matter. The "redemption" theme is then counterparted by an "insight" theme and "personal development" theme. Similar, but not the same. The idea that Gnosticism equals "Wild Mysticism" and "Salvation teachings" is just a projection of everything that Catholicism mistrusted. UPDATE: I get it that the Martinist Order is just another complicated teaching of raging systemism, that doesn't really teach individuals to improve their wisdom, but instead do a lot of rites that are *supposed* but not empirically attested to improve the individual.
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Would you be open to discussing the Hebdomad? It’s common physical manifestations and methods of communication?
I see a lot of references to the septenary/heptad/Hebdomad in your work, and it would be interesting to see a video dedicated to their interconnectivity across multiple systems.
Please 🙏🏻
Anything from color, shape (the arche), its relationship to androgyny, the mountain, initiation, 4 and 3…
Another informative video brother what is the martinist and elu coen belief on yaldabaoth, Rex Mundi, and the demiurge? 0:28