Okay, so A few comments by now have brought up the audio, and while I don't think it's a blanket issue (as in, across the whole video) it's my understanding that some parts are hard to hear and, that's my bad. I don't know which ones parts they all are, but there's nothing I can do for now but suggest subtitles I suppose (which are now uploaded and a bit updated.) Hope this helps.
Good job kid. However, this is the worst music I have ever heard in my life. Furthermore, the jokes confuse your meanings. Is this all fiction or fact? (as much as we can know)
Karbala Cob-ball-A The swastika represents a plasma vortex during the projecting blue beam. The ball lancing beam. And what project blue beam “ is attempting to control the narrative of by placing ideas in your mind in advance. So you’ll know it’s fake or man made. Anything other than the truth
Can we get a “now playing” feature… I appreciate the music under the segments and I find it helped capture moods and vibes of each portion of the video making the information more receptive to my brain. Thank you.
Regarding Blavatsky's name - it is one of the ways one's name can be written in Russian (more accurately: H. P. Blavatsky), and is used extensively with writers' names (mostly on the book covers). But given that her major activities took place in the West, your version could also be true (this way of concealing gender would not work in Russian - most Russian surnames account for gender (transcribing: Blavatskaya)) Also Helena, as many other emigrants, uses male version of her surname - it could be due to sexism, but also could be conforming to the way English surnames work
Ah, yeah I did actually think about that, with respect to -skaya but all her success was found in the Anglosphere of Britain, the USA, and Raj era India, so I kinda took it on faith that her associates weren’t saying her name in the Russian form.
when I first moved to London I lived on Queens Gardens (I know, chuckle chuckle) but right next door to the HQ for Theosophy (I think it was 62 Queens Gardens). Having spent part of my misspent youth performing in Russia, I had the exact same question as you @xenonnoblegass6034 and the folks there explained that in the beginning she was, indeed conscientious of her gender and purposefully kept her gender a bit on the low. @@Rosencreutzzz
Here's some more weirdness that may apply: the author Robert E Howard who invented Conan the Barbarian utilized a fictional history of earth as settings for some of his sword and sorcery stories that include such places as (and these should sound familiar): Hyperborea, Lemuria, and Atlantis Add to that HP Lovecraft, inventor of the Cthulhu mythos, and Howard were contemporaries who were in frequently correspondence with one another over their writings such that they often borrowed one another's world building themes and you can see that Theosophy may have even had more impact on the literary world as well than you initially realized!
honestly, the most interesting to me was the moment I read Lemuria and was like "wait...like in Golden Sun 2??" I had always thought it was just the game making a reskin of Atlantis to sound more mystical, but now that I think about it that whole game is quite obviously interested in general esoterics.
Absolutely! Check out Chris Knowles over at the Secret Sun for more on the connections between Theosophy, Lovecraft, and some potential implications for better understanding the bigger picture.
you know that's so funny you mention that, because as someone who has played the Conan exiles game there's a lot of hilarious lore that comes from all of these things. I feel like I've already experienced this video because of the game and it's great
This is the first of your videos I've seen. Incredibly well done. You filled in so many gaps for me I really appreciate the balance of intellectual healthy skepticism and credulity.
This is everything ive been wanting out of a documentary on esotericism, anthroposophy, and the occult! It touched every subject that ive been intrested in in awhile in very clear language.
Being a Twin Peaks fan, my ears perked at the mention of Black Lodge haha. Now I know where David Lynch got the idea. Fascinating video, keep up the good work!!
It wasn’t Lynch, it was a Mark Frost concept. Lynch likes Transcendental Meditation. Frost studied about Theosophy, as really present in his Secret History of Twin Peaks book or his unconnected novel, List of 7.
this video was in my recommended a couple days ago. I've since watched a few videos on this channel and I really enjoy them. I get vaguely historia civilis vibes from your commentary. keep it up, you're the sort who could make a video on anything and keep me interested.
One thing i can say about Steiner is his interesting connection to anarchism and specifically the Norwegian anarchist movement of the 1970's mainly due to Steiner 1 being an anarchist early in his life before creating Anthropososphy and 2 the writer Jens Bjørneboe popularizing an anarchist view of Steiner in Norway though the view of an anarchist Anthroposophical synthesis wasn't that popular especially with groups such as ANORG which was against the whole idea it did have some backing from a small group of anarchists in Norway you can even find a writer in Gateavisa (an anarchist newspaper) writing about what he calls anthroposophical anarchism though i believe it's sadly only in Norwegian (just in case you don't read norwegian) So i find it funny when people try to say Rudolf Steiner inspired the nazis or something when the political movement he probably had the most influence on was anarchism Just some fun history about Steiner :3
Interesting. I had a mini section planned where I went into Steiner's disagreements with Spengler more, but it got a bit too... esoteric (ha). By no means do I think his work lends itself to nazism so much as Theosophy, in certain veins can lend itself to all manner of movements. Largely, any confluence one could conjure would, as is often the case when going back further in time, rest on the general influences of anthropology and schools of anthropological thought. Tangentially, but sort of to that point of Theosophy's more liberative legacies, I've seen entire papers on the way Theosophy and movements like it sort of functioned as an alternative for Women's education in an era where few were allowed into higher education, sort of like an inversion of convents.
Sometimes I lay awake at night imagining the day when an an anarchist Anthroposophical synthesis WILL be popular! Many Shubs and Zulls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar on that day I can tell you.
I find it really funny and problematic at the same time that people have to spend good 5 minutes explaining how a thing isn't connected to bad guys before talking about it.
Watched this while making bread. Great video to watch while making bread. Keep up the good work, you're probably one of the best channels on the platform rn for me :)
So fascinating to learn of the origins of this Twin Peaks lore. Also, in light of the belief that the US helped fight against the Black Lodge (for instance, with the atomic bomb on Hiroshima) is really crazy to think about, in relation to that show, where it definitely includes aspects of the bombing, especially in season 3. I'm super interested in the typed up document on the Black Lodge that you found, if you would care to share it somehow?
HPB's Root Races theory is the most interesting and compelling aspect of Theosophy for me. According to her, our current civilization is, in the main, the 5th of 7 "races" that will evolve on earth aka the Aryan race; there were 4 before us, Atlanteans included. These races are really stages on a schedule of evolution of the human soul, where a specific quality is developed in the human during each stage. Each one of the 7 races/stages has 7 sub-races and each of those 7 in turn; the number 777 consummates this idea. The dominion of each race usually ends with a cataclysm of some kind, where the best of the current race is saved, set aside and used to seed the next race. Alternative sources outside HPB tell us that right now preparations are underway for the 6th race, which will be a psychic race among other things. It is said that the bible references these stages albeit in a veiled way: the mark of the beast 666 refers to one such stage in human evolution being the 6th sub-race of the 6th subrace of the 6th race. The book of revelation also talks about these races when it talk about the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials or 777 which is the final race that will appear on earth after which something big happens....LMAO. Rudolph Steiner is also a brilliant source on this subject.
Thanks for the great video! There were some audio balancing issues in this one at times, particularly in the section about Steiner. The music is very pretty but I come here to hear you 😘
Great video, but I had to use the subtitles at some points because the music was quite loud and made your voice hard to make out. Props for including subtitles by the way, since I brought them up, there's an error in them at 35:31 where they appear too early.
Ugh, yeah, youtube doesn't know how to space them out when there's a pause, thanks for the notice on that. (It also takes them hours to upload sometimes for reasons I don't quite understand, so I often forget to check).
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. I know this dude said that theosophy and Nazism aren't technically connected but it's undoubtedly how heavily influenced the Nazi's were by theosophy and Blavatsky's writings
As someone from Québec, first- thanks for aknowledging our existence, quite rare in the anglosphere Also, yes, we do have tarot, two of my sisters read tarot, and i'll eventually learn too. Great video!
People usually say that after taking in a ton of information that they have very few prior connections to. It's hard to retain information without existing mental context, so it can feel like trying to unload a cement truck into a solo cup. (this is how I felt after watching the video too)
Hello Mr Rosencruetz. Just found your channel, and its bloody brilliant (have now watched every video I think). Keep at it mate :) the world needs more of your content.
I was actually aware of Helena Blavatsky before watching this because, of all things, she was mentioned briefly in some supplementary lore to an obscure 90s JRPG which approximately 27 people played. Had no idea that there was this much to her belief system though or, indeed, that its adherents were still around today. Also, it's a good thing that Besant no longer possesses a corporeal form, because I'm pretty sure that burn would have sent her straight to the Astral Plane.
@@Rosencreutzzz Koudelka. It's a very unique game if nothing else, probably owing to its director resigning after release and never getting into the business again. Those who were left at the company he founded created what's technically a sequel, but it's very different in terms of tone and atmosphere. The connection with the subject of your video is that the eponymous character apparently spent some time living with Blavatsky in the years prior to her death, but from what I recall it never comes up in the game itself.
@@Dong_Harvey I've completed the first one and played a bit of the second, but SH just never really clicked with me. I may go back and complete the series someday, but for now I will say that "spiritual sequels" is pretty much the exact opposite of what they are.
I really like how accessible this video is, I’ve been minorly interested in this subject for a while but this did a great job of explaining everything in a cohesive way
That was pretty good. There was a lot of information, and I enjoyed the twist with the quote to prove a point. It would have been nice to have a list of your references for your research. Without that, it relegates all the information to a good story. Not to be taken seriously unless I happen upon corroborating information in my own research.
Antrosophy in Germany and the Netherlands is these days known for two things: Being the basis behind Steiner schools, and having a lot of adherents who won't vaccinate their kids for some reason.
There's a few different parts of Steiner's dogma about it, but this pdf is a pretty decent collation of Steiner's reasoning for being against vaccines. paam.wildapricot.org/resources/Pictures/07%20RS-Traditional%20Childhood%20Illnesses%20and%20Vaccines.pdf
The first quote set the stage up nicely for me. It reminds me of a biblical quote: " Study to show thyself approved. A workman of GOD, who need not be ashamed. Rightfully dividing The Word of Truth". And," Compare the scriptures with scriptures" even though at the time that was written there was no New Testament only the Torah. Everything we need to know about our GOD(s) can't be contained within books. Experience through experimentation in fight is the only true way to test, understand and fully embrace a spiritual practice. Great content.
a maybe not relevant anecdote about swastikas: years ago a friend was taking this class on electronic circuits and he sends me this text, "i don't know how to not make it look like this" with a picture attached of a circuit with a giant swastika-shaped wire right in the middle, his homework for the week. he said he spent like half an hour trying to arrange it differently but that that was just the most efficient shape he could think of lmao.
I had left a comment about being confused about Rudolph Steiner's teachings and Theosophy being conflated as a student of the Waldorf School who would later learn about Rudolph and Blavatski's diametric opposition later in life. After listening to a the rest of your video the only reason that confusion existed is because of the words correlation. Both the teachers and the parents were too ignorant of the core of the ideas to even keep the absolutely profound schizm between the two apart. I grew up thinking that Theosophy/Anthroposophy/R.S's teachings were one and the same and unlike my supposed elders I would go on to question these things and tonight you've cracked open many wonderful new questions for me. I was bullied incessantly by my classmates, the teachers were wannabe esoteric wierdos incabable of both occult and normy teachings but the base of the education taught me well despite their best efforts so if that doesn't speak to a resonance of truth I don't know what does. Those in my class it worked for are doing incredibly well for themselves Those whom it did not are floundering, to put it gently...at least insofar as I know I continue to meet confused castaways, one ever couple of years from one Waldorf School or another in dire need of basic occult teachings to make sense of the way they see the world so...I dunno, take that for what you will. They never taught us anything about the angels flying around the moon but that's probably for the best as they also knew nothing about the practice of grounding. I think if the teachers would all just embrace that they're into some weird reality bending bullshit instead some abstraction of 'the good in the world' the school would be doing much better for itself (apart from financially, they seem to have that covered I guess) and especially (mostly) the children who go through it. The rest of the video is great but I have little comment to add to it.
Nice to see a channel that doesn't make Theosophy a horrible dark force. I've been reading Blavatsky for over two decades. Thank you for seeing her integrity.
My mother (RIP) was a practicing theosophist, and she and others saw theosophy more as an epistemological frame for guiding the study of religion than as a religious/cultic orientation. That being said, she also laundered or rejected many of the more outre ideas core to the canon (like the race science, the Black Lodge, or basically anything that came after Alice Bailey), so she might not exactly be emblematic of the median practitioner.
Religion is deception. No one ever found God through Religion. True religion is in the bible- Charity through Love. A side effect of Faith in God- Faith in God means Faith in Messiah, who is Jesus Christ. "Seek HIM while He may be found" If you seek with all your heart.
John 4:1-6) "Beloved, do NOT believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they be from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ came in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist, which you heard was coming and is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world, therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. WE are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By THIS we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."
If you are interested in looking into a detailed metaphysical breakdown of the errors of Blvatsky’s Theosophical Society - I encourage you to read Rene Geunon’s Theosophy: History of a Paeudoreligion - he additionally goes into detail of the many errors and dangers of occultism and spiritualism as contrasted to true esoteric teachings within a mandated Divine Religion.
If by divine religion, you mean abrahamic, please spare the world such nonsense. If you meant the spiritual truth that theosophy so inadequately tries to describe, than, obviously, that's perfectly understandable and I have no argument.
I think there's probably some wonderfully rich information in this video. I just can't get past the overriding high-pitched tone in the music that was chosen. I actually kind of appreciate it as a brilliant way of keeping the occult occult.
Being a super pedant, who only corrects _other_ pedants, is my favourite hobby! My favorite miscellaneous pedantic correction of pedants: _actually,_ calling Hollywood photographic memory eidetic is a misuse of the term! Eidetic memory refers to a specific phenomenon where some people can close their eyes and literally hold a photograph of what they were looking at in their mind for a bit. It takes significant concentration, and fades rapidly after they are done. I understand your confusion, since that does rather _sound_ like quite literally photographic memory, but photographic as used in _Hollywood_ is just a more generic super memory. Conflating the two confuses the purpose of the terms.
The reason that so many of these groups seem pre-occupied with race is because eugenics was very fashionable science at the time, and science in general was changing society rapidly in ways that the populace was not psychologically prepared for, by way of the industrial revolution. People who saw value in traditional spiritual values that placed great importance on the humane treatment of individuals felt that they had to justify their now seemingly quaint and old fashioned views by associating them with this new religion of Scientism which sought to reduce everything in the universe to "mere material," stripped of all it's value beyond how it could be utilized and exploited. Steiner in particular felt he was battling for the very notion of free will itself, and all the spiritual values that proceed from it. That's why his work uses terms like "spiritual science" so often, to legitimize it in the eyes of the people he hoped to reach, namely those swayed by practical and tangible results yielded by scientific experimentation. Because this kind of worldview generally only accepted data measurable by the five empirical senses, he felt there was a real danger of losing things like "meaning," "value," and other abstract concepts that we take for granted in presupposing many of our own dearly held customs. You can see traces of this in other works of the Victorian Era and Romantic literature like Dracula, where much of the story is compromised of journal entries to lend it this air of legitimacy, as if the entries report real historical events. A central theme of Dracula is also how people like Dr. Seward cope when faced with a real supernatural experience that violates the dogma of their modern view, which they have clung to tenaciously to make sense of reality in the same way that a religious person clings to their dogma. No matter what Seward believes about the limits of reality, all that is dashed to bits when faced with a force like Dracula who violates it. Van Helsing, on the other hand approaches things much more like Steiner, accepting supernatural experience at face value and investigating it the way a scientist would.
Sanguinarianism likely also eminates from agriculture and/ or "loosh"? Did bats and mosquitoes exist before them, or genetically engineered from colonialism?
Their was no ideology of scientism around that time you just can't handle the fact that to most science valid means of knowledge but of course not just science their are other fields as well
As an occultist, this was an interesting look into Theosophy and I am surprised you did a video on it! I would not call them a "cult" though given the negative connotations of that word in our modern world. Thanks for making this!
Yeah, admittedly it is slightly a bait title and I don't really call them a cult in the video proper, but that is *nominally* what they are...even if most people think of like secret orgs or satanists or Charles Manson when they hear the word "cult" My logic was mostly that writing "Esoteric Order" would be both more wordy and mean nothing to a lot of people. Glad to hear you liked it otherwise.
Stones and bones don't innately have esoteric uses, yet the found faith of the practitioner in combination with their spiritual and/or philosophical practice can produce amazing and unorthodox results. No one else gains knowledge unless someone else becomes wise. Both seeking spiritual understanding in their own way.
randomly stumbled upon this video after looking up steiner for the first time.... thanks for all the info gonna have to dig a lot deeper! Love Twin Peaks btw
I've been doing some research into this topic in the course of crafting my own cult, and this was actually fairly helpful. Thanks. You can be one of my enforcers after the bombs drop.
Keep searching with a heart of pure curiosity. Finding wisdom in the beauty of discovery. Continue to share your findings with those that are genuinely afraid to search due to their given religion. Philosophy can be religious in practice. Practicing religion does not always reveal truth due to dogmatic boundaries. You're doing a great work for all others that seek Truth to serve the spirit that gives life to all the worlds. I thank The Essence of The Eternal Universe for you existence this time. I'll probably give thanks again( Ecclesiastes 1:7-9). Hopefully you'll never truly see death, but I think I'd miss you if I come back and you remain a part of The Infinite. You should look into True Buddhist Temple in Washington State. I'm pretty sure the main temple in the US is in North Bend(about 5 minutes from where I use to live in Wilderness Rim), but you can also seek Refuge in Redmond or Kirkland. It's been a while but they still respect all prophets and spiritual teachers from all religions as Buddhas. Seems like a great place to start again lil bruh Rosencreutz in the continental U S. Stay blessed on your travels bruh. Wishing you the best.
I like theosophy, not because it is perfect but because it strives to help ppl find together in researching ocult knowledge for unselfish reasons. We are all just humans and so we wont be perfect. An organisation could do whatever it liked but the teaching remains
Here speaks one who has travelled the depths of social media! 😂 And seemingly returned safely...? I am hopeful but will withhold final judgement on this until the end of this video.
The moment you mentioned the first quote, my thought immediately was: Did the father of Rosicrucianism really just take his name and turn it into Rosae Crucis?
This was a really weird, rambling video, especially at the start. It's a decent overview of Theosophy, but I wish it had been called 'Intro to Theosophy,' instead of such an ambiguous title, or focusing on the Black Lodge in the thumbnail. That would have really clarified what the video is actually about.
Good and informative video! ❤ But I need to say you "underrepresented" the Waldorf-Schools.. It's a complicated topic for sure, but as a german (even if I don't like private schools in general) these types of schools are really something else! Steiners "believes" and the education models that emerged from them are to be viewed really critically! Apart from the esoteric perspective, there are many connections to the far right here in german speaking countries. This whole topic deserves a video on it's own.. I just wanted to say this bc I felt like you didn't really touch this..
Krishna murti very influential but much more of a traditionalist bringing Indian religion (esotericism) to the West. He incorporated meditation and was a cross over spiritually, being this influenced by Bhiddist thought. He had many followers and was a gentle, genuine, benign and humble person.
As I understand, Adolf Hitler used the swastika as the symbol for the party which had quickly become his own due to the fact that it adorned the Catholic Church he attended in his youth.
I think Leadbeater is usually produced “Led-better”. At least, that’s the only way I've heard people say it before on TV. Regardless, thanks for another great video 😃
The word Dugpa doesn’t seem to exist outside its association with the idea of the Black Lodge in theosophy. It was likely coined in the writings of Blavatsky, where it may be a misnomer for Drukpa, the majoritarian Buddhist sect of Bhutan, that some Tibetans, often adhering to the Gelugpa school, sometimes were describing in rather sinister terms.
Okay, so A few comments by now have brought up the audio, and while I don't think it's a blanket issue (as in, across the whole video) it's my understanding that some parts are hard to hear and, that's my bad. I don't know which ones parts they all are, but there's nothing I can do for now but suggest subtitles I suppose (which are now uploaded and a bit updated.)
Hope this helps.
Thank you - came here to tell you but I see it's already addressed. Subtitles worked great during the parts with louder music!
The Russians were responsible for ending WWII. Not America. America severed the Japanese threat.
Good job kid. However, this is the worst music I have ever heard in my life. Furthermore, the jokes confuse your meanings. Is this all fiction or fact? (as much as we can know)
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The swastika represents a plasma vortex during the projecting blue beam. The ball lancing beam.
And what project blue beam “ is attempting to control the narrative of by placing ideas in your mind in advance.
So you’ll know it’s fake or man made. Anything other than the truth
@@bombatta1544The music is great in my opinion
watching this as both a twin peaks fan and the granddaughter of a theosophist was amazing
Your grandfather/mother must have been everything but a boring person to be around.
@@andrefilipe9042 she's still alive!
Can we get a “now playing” feature… I appreciate the music under the segments and I find it helped capture moods and vibes of each portion of the video making the information more receptive to my brain. Thank you.
Regarding Blavatsky's name - it is one of the ways one's name can be written in Russian (more accurately: H. P. Blavatsky), and is used extensively with writers' names (mostly on the book covers). But given that her major activities took place in the West, your version could also be true (this way of concealing gender would not work in Russian - most Russian surnames account for gender (transcribing: Blavatskaya)) Also Helena, as many other emigrants, uses male version of her surname - it could be due to sexism, but also could be conforming to the way English surnames work
Ah, yeah I did actually think about that, with respect to -skaya but all her success was found in the Anglosphere of Britain, the USA, and Raj era India, so I kinda took it on faith that her associates weren’t saying her name in the Russian form.
when I first moved to London I lived on Queens Gardens (I know, chuckle chuckle) but right next door to the HQ for Theosophy (I think it was 62 Queens Gardens). Having spent part of my misspent youth performing in Russia, I had the exact same question as you @xenonnoblegass6034 and the folks there explained that in the beginning she was, indeed conscientious of her gender and purposefully kept her gender a bit on the low. @@Rosencreutzzz
Here's some more weirdness that may apply: the author Robert E Howard who invented Conan the Barbarian utilized a fictional history of earth as settings for some of his sword and sorcery stories that include such places as (and these should sound familiar): Hyperborea, Lemuria, and Atlantis
Add to that HP Lovecraft, inventor of the Cthulhu mythos, and Howard were contemporaries who were in frequently correspondence with one another over their writings such that they often borrowed one another's world building themes and you can see that Theosophy may have even had more impact on the literary world as well than you initially realized!
Oh also, one of the Conan stories is titled "The People of the Black Circle."
I'm not saying it's the Black Lodge...but it's the Black Lodge.
honestly, the most interesting to me was the moment I read Lemuria and was like "wait...like in Golden Sun 2??" I had always thought it was just the game making a reskin of Atlantis to sound more mystical, but now that I think about it that whole game is quite obviously interested in general esoterics.
Absolutely! Check out Chris Knowles over at the Secret Sun for more on the connections between Theosophy, Lovecraft, and some potential implications for better understanding the bigger picture.
was definitely not expecting to see comments from a dominions youtuber here :O
you know that's so funny you mention that, because as someone who has played the Conan exiles game there's a lot of hilarious lore that comes from all of these things. I feel like I've already experienced this video because of the game and it's great
This is the first of your videos I've seen. Incredibly well done. You filled in so many gaps for me I really appreciate the balance of intellectual healthy skepticism and credulity.
This is everything ive been wanting out of a documentary on esotericism, anthroposophy, and the occult! It touched every subject that ive been intrested in in awhile in very clear language.
Yes occultism is my heart it truly is.
I would not recommend this to anyone.
hard same
Being a Twin Peaks fan, my ears perked at the mention of Black Lodge haha. Now I know where David Lynch got the idea. Fascinating video, keep up the good work!!
It wasn’t Lynch, it was a Mark Frost concept. Lynch likes Transcendental Meditation. Frost studied about Theosophy, as really present in his Secret History of Twin Peaks book or his unconnected novel, List of 7.
@@pamelatarajcak5634 Yea, its kinda of a shame to see Mark Frosts contributions attributed to David Lynch.
point of order "nazi" was a derogatory term applied to the NSDAP. They never used it.
Goebbels wrote a book called Nazi-Sozi which is a q and a.
Please read it
Makes sense, since they chose to not see.
Great video, I'm so glad someone from the left can tackle the origins of new age thought and Theosophy without heavy biased judgement
this video was in my recommended a couple days ago. I've since watched a few videos on this channel and I really enjoy them. I get vaguely historia civilis vibes from your commentary. keep it up, you're the sort who could make a video on anything and keep me interested.
One thing i can say about Steiner is his interesting connection to anarchism and specifically the Norwegian anarchist movement of the 1970's mainly due to Steiner 1 being an anarchist early in his life before creating Anthropososphy and 2 the writer Jens Bjørneboe popularizing an anarchist view of Steiner in Norway though the view of an anarchist Anthroposophical synthesis wasn't that popular especially with groups such as ANORG which was against the whole idea it did have some backing from a small group of anarchists in Norway you can even find a writer in Gateavisa (an anarchist newspaper) writing about what he calls anthroposophical anarchism though i believe it's sadly only in Norwegian (just in case you don't read norwegian)
So i find it funny when people try to say Rudolf Steiner inspired the nazis or something when the political movement he probably had the most influence on was anarchism
Just some fun history about Steiner :3
Interesting. I had a mini section planned where I went into Steiner's disagreements with Spengler more, but it got a bit too... esoteric (ha). By no means do I think his work lends itself to nazism so much as Theosophy, in certain veins can lend itself to all manner of movements. Largely, any confluence one could conjure would, as is often the case when going back further in time, rest on the general influences of anthropology and schools of anthropological thought.
Tangentially, but sort of to that point of Theosophy's more liberative legacies, I've seen entire papers on the way Theosophy and movements like it sort of functioned as an alternative for Women's education in an era where few were allowed into higher education, sort of like an inversion of convents.
Sometimes I lay awake at night imagining the day when an an anarchist Anthroposophical synthesis WILL be popular! Many Shubs and Zulls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar on that day I can tell you.
The Black Lodge sounds like an awesome name for a black metal band :-D
There is a french black metal band going by Blacklodge actually, its about being on drugs lol
I find it really funny and problematic at the same time that people have to spend good 5 minutes explaining how a thing isn't connected to bad guys before talking about it.
It also just gave me an opportunity to bring up another "truism" that I'm tired of re: " the direction it's facing indicates if it's good or bad!"
honi soit qui mal y pense and junk and stuff
@@RosencreutzzzThat's literally how Symbolism works.
You just don't like it when people who understand the Symbolism disagree with you.
@@hime273No, they just disagree with it. Lol.
It just shows the ignorance of the masses and the reach of the propaganda against anything occult
Watched this while making bread. Great video to watch while making bread. Keep up the good work, you're probably one of the best channels on the platform rn for me :)
yr so real 4 this
That's so specific and now I want to make bread.
Mmm bread 🥯 🍞 🥖
What kind of bread did you make?
Can I have some?
Crumbs. Can you make new bread?
This bread is a bit old but I'll gladly wait for fresh sourdough 🍞💥👍🏼
So fascinating to learn of the origins of this Twin Peaks lore. Also, in light of the belief that the US helped fight against the Black Lodge (for instance, with the atomic bomb on Hiroshima) is really crazy to think about, in relation to that show, where it definitely includes aspects of the bombing, especially in season 3.
I'm super interested in the typed up document on the Black Lodge that you found, if you would care to share it somehow?
Please for the love of everything sacred, remove the background music, or at least reuduce the volume compared to the vocal.
I love the music, it’s like listening to some high quality music at the same time as studying, good vibe
HPB's Root Races theory is the most interesting and compelling aspect of Theosophy for me. According to her, our current civilization is, in the main, the 5th of 7 "races" that will evolve on earth aka the Aryan race; there were 4 before us, Atlanteans included. These races are really stages on a schedule of evolution of the human soul, where a specific quality is developed in the human during each stage. Each one of the 7 races/stages has 7 sub-races and each of those 7 in turn; the number 777 consummates this idea. The dominion of each race usually ends with a cataclysm of some kind, where the best of the current race is saved, set aside and used to seed the next race. Alternative sources outside HPB tell us that right now preparations are underway for the 6th race, which will be a psychic race among other things. It is said that the bible references these stages albeit in a veiled way: the mark of the beast 666 refers to one such stage in human evolution being the 6th sub-race of the 6th subrace of the 6th race. The book of revelation also talks about these races when it talk about the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials or 777 which is the final race that will appear on earth after which something big happens....LMAO. Rudolph Steiner is also a brilliant source on this subject.
gotta say i think the music is a bit loud, overpowers the talking.
Very much
Yes, it's hard to focus on what's being said. 😢
Especially in the second half
I was going to say the same
Thanks for the great video! There were some audio balancing issues in this one at times, particularly in the section about Steiner. The music is very pretty but I come here to hear you 😘
Great video, but I had to use the subtitles at some points because the music was quite loud and made your voice hard to make out.
Props for including subtitles by the way, since I brought them up, there's an error in them at 35:31 where they appear too early.
Ugh, yeah, youtube doesn't know how to space them out when there's a pause, thanks for the notice on that. (It also takes them hours to upload sometimes for reasons I don't quite understand, so I often forget to check).
You might need to lower the music volume mate
You might need to have your hearing checked for common vocal frequencies.
This seriously was very well equalized with his voice and I am the first to complain
@@a2pabmb2 You might need to check you reading comprehension, I said music volume, not the creator's voice.
The music only gets to loud around 25 minutes in. Then it isn't as bad for a while, then it gets louder.
Man this video went off the rails and I love it.
Fun fact, the US Army found a copy of HPs The Secret Doctrine on Adolph's bedside table.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. I know this dude said that theosophy and Nazism aren't technically connected but it's undoubtedly how heavily influenced the Nazi's were by theosophy and Blavatsky's writings
@@altfemboy3109 True, the root lies within evil ppl and their false understanding and interpretation
As someone from Québec, first- thanks for aknowledging our existence, quite rare in the anglosphere
Also, yes, we do have tarot, two of my sisters read tarot, and i'll eventually learn too. Great video!
The "Where are they now" section had me floored. Great stuff
I... feel like I have learned something from watching this video, but I think I didn't learn anything... Interesting one, though!
People usually say that after taking in a ton of information that they have very few prior connections to. It's hard to retain information without existing mental context, so it can feel like trying to unload a cement truck into a solo cup. (this is how I felt after watching the video too)
Hello Mr Rosencruetz. Just found your channel, and its bloody brilliant (have now watched every video I think). Keep at it mate :) the world needs more of your content.
Also, the Leadbeater epilogue was the funniest thing I've seen this whole month so far.
I lasted 14 minutes before having to stop. That goddamn music!
incredible overview more of this please
I was actually aware of Helena Blavatsky before watching this because, of all things, she was mentioned briefly in some supplementary lore to an obscure 90s JRPG which approximately 27 people played. Had no idea that there was this much to her belief system though or, indeed, that its adherents were still around today.
Also, it's a good thing that Besant no longer possesses a corporeal form, because I'm pretty sure that burn would have sent her straight to the Astral Plane.
What jrpg was it? Something the persona games crowded out of the market?
@@Rosencreutzzz Koudelka. It's a very unique game if nothing else, probably owing to its director resigning after release and never getting into the business again. Those who were left at the company he founded created what's technically a sequel, but it's very different in terms of tone and atmosphere. The connection with the subject of your video is that the eponymous character apparently spent some time living with Blavatsky in the years prior to her death, but from what I recall it never comes up in the game itself.
You don't need to go this far, fate grand order, a VERY popular mobile JRPG has her as a playable character.
@@TheD3rp2 if you liked Koudelka, you should follow it up with its spiritual sequels Shadow Hearts, then again you may already know all about that
@@Dong_Harvey I've completed the first one and played a bit of the second, but SH just never really clicked with me. I may go back and complete the series someday, but for now I will say that "spiritual sequels" is pretty much the exact opposite of what they are.
That sure was interesting and wild! I'm glad you recovered and look forward the controversy of what's next on the video menu
That's it! This is where I draw the line. You mess with Varg, we mess with you!
I really like how accessible this video is, I’ve been minorly interested in this subject for a while but this did a great job of explaining everything in a cohesive way
That was pretty good. There was a lot of information, and I enjoyed the twist with the quote to prove a point.
It would have been nice to have a list of your references for your research. Without that, it relegates all the information to a good story. Not to be taken seriously unless I happen upon corroborating information in my own research.
I think that your strong point is talking history with a strategy game as framming device
35:18 is probably the hardest I've laughed in a while. Excellent comedic juxtaposition dude.
That better help ad sequitur from tarot was mint
I went into this thinking it would be about Soka Gakkai, but this was also extremely interesting, good stuff
Antrosophy in Germany and the Netherlands is these days known for two things: Being the basis behind Steiner schools, and having a lot of adherents who won't vaccinate their kids for some reason.
There's a few different parts of Steiner's dogma about it, but this pdf is a pretty decent collation of Steiner's reasoning for being against vaccines.
paam.wildapricot.org/resources/Pictures/07%20RS-Traditional%20Childhood%20Illnesses%20and%20Vaccines.pdf
There's lots of valid reasons.
This narrator is so terrified of being called racist! No one should live with such terror
It's a little less famous for being the philosophy behind Germany's biggest organic food company Demeter.
The first quote set the stage up nicely for me. It reminds me of a biblical quote: " Study to show thyself approved. A workman of GOD, who need not be ashamed. Rightfully dividing The Word of Truth". And," Compare the scriptures with scriptures" even though at the time that was written there was no New Testament only the Torah. Everything we need to know about our GOD(s) can't be contained within books. Experience through experimentation in fight is the only true way to test, understand and fully embrace a spiritual practice. Great content.
a maybe not relevant anecdote about swastikas: years ago a friend was taking this class on electronic circuits and he sends me this text, "i don't know how to not make it look like this" with a picture attached of a circuit with a giant swastika-shaped wire right in the middle, his homework for the week. he said he spent like half an hour trying to arrange it differently but that that was just the most efficient shape he could think of lmao.
I had left a comment about being confused about Rudolph Steiner's teachings and Theosophy being conflated as a student of the Waldorf School who would later learn about Rudolph and Blavatski's diametric opposition later in life.
After listening to a the rest of your video the only reason that confusion existed is because of the words correlation. Both the teachers and the parents were too ignorant of the core of the ideas to even keep the absolutely profound schizm between the two apart. I grew up thinking that Theosophy/Anthroposophy/R.S's teachings were one and the same and unlike my supposed elders I would go on to question these things and tonight you've cracked open many wonderful new questions for me.
I was bullied incessantly by my classmates, the teachers were wannabe esoteric wierdos incabable of both occult and normy teachings but the base of the education taught me well despite their best efforts so if that doesn't speak to a resonance of truth I don't know what does.
Those in my class it worked for are doing incredibly well for themselves
Those whom it did not are floundering, to put it gently...at least insofar as I know
I continue to meet confused castaways, one ever couple of years from one Waldorf School or another in dire need of basic occult teachings to make sense of the way they see the world so...I dunno, take that for what you will. They never taught us anything about the angels flying around the moon but that's probably for the best as they also knew nothing about the practice of grounding.
I think if the teachers would all just embrace that they're into some weird reality bending bullshit instead some abstraction of 'the good in the world' the school would be doing much better for itself (apart from financially, they seem to have that covered I guess) and especially (mostly) the children who go through it.
The rest of the video is great but I have little comment to add to it.
I don't know!
I love that you add your humor to serious subjects. Great video, brother
Nice to see a channel that doesn't make Theosophy a horrible dark force. I've been reading Blavatsky for over two decades. Thank you for seeing her integrity.
My mother (RIP) was a practicing theosophist, and she and others saw theosophy more as an epistemological frame for guiding the study of religion than as a religious/cultic orientation. That being said, she also laundered or rejected many of the more outre ideas core to the canon (like the race science, the Black Lodge, or basically anything that came after Alice Bailey), so she might not exactly be emblematic of the median practitioner.
Religion is deception.
No one ever found God through Religion.
True religion is in the bible- Charity through Love.
A side effect of Faith in God-
Faith in God means Faith in Messiah, who is Jesus Christ.
"Seek HIM while He may be found"
If you seek with all your heart.
John 4:1-6)
"Beloved, do NOT believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they be from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ came in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist, which you heard was coming and is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world, therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
WE are from God.
Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By THIS we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."
If you are interested in looking into a detailed metaphysical breakdown of the errors of Blvatsky’s Theosophical Society - I encourage you to read Rene Geunon’s Theosophy: History of a Paeudoreligion - he additionally goes into detail of the many errors and dangers of occultism and spiritualism as contrasted to true esoteric teachings within a mandated Divine Religion.
Interesting, I'll put it on a list.
Madame Blavatsky was a Satanist. Just as a reminder.
If by divine religion, you mean abrahamic, please spare the world such nonsense. If you meant the spiritual truth that theosophy so inadequately tries to describe, than, obviously, that's perfectly understandable and I have no argument.
.......mandated Divine Religion? ALL fall short of the Glory of God!
Jesus Christ, Lord of ALL.
This video is really interesting though, it's good to know others beliefs so we are not ignorant.
Good stuff, thank you. The music is way too loud though.
That was actually kind of entertaining. The last 6 min or so gave me a chuckle.
6:56 I strive each day of my life to become a Mega-vampire
Seriously I’m reading that book and I can’t recommend it enough. Totally worth the time and effort to break into the occult side of Tarot.
I think there's probably some wonderfully rich information in this video. I just can't get past the overriding high-pitched tone in the music that was chosen. I actually kind of appreciate it as a brilliant way of keeping the occult occult.
I’ve been into Twin Peaks for about 22 years now and this was great. Very interesting stuff to learn.
Being a super pedant, who only corrects _other_ pedants, is my favourite hobby!
My favorite miscellaneous pedantic correction of pedants: _actually,_ calling Hollywood photographic memory eidetic is a misuse of the term! Eidetic memory refers to a specific phenomenon where some people can close their eyes and literally hold a photograph of what they were looking at in their mind for a bit. It takes significant concentration, and fades rapidly after they are done. I understand your confusion, since that does rather _sound_ like quite literally photographic memory, but photographic as used in _Hollywood_ is just a more generic super memory. Conflating the two confuses the purpose of the terms.
That very first note from the opening background music- i thought it was the beginning theme music from " Tales From the Darkside" was about to play!
I have no clue what this was about but it definitely was cool.
I don't know how I got here, but I'm glad I am.
the where are they now gag was great 10/10 would laugh again
Really enjoyed this. Very interesting - nice overview of this sort of thing. The only problem I had with it were the spelling errors.
The reason that so many of these groups seem pre-occupied with race is because eugenics was very fashionable science at the time, and science in general was changing society rapidly in ways that the populace was not psychologically prepared for, by way of the industrial revolution. People who saw value in traditional spiritual values that placed great importance on the humane treatment of individuals felt that they had to justify their now seemingly quaint and old fashioned views by associating them with this new religion of Scientism which sought to reduce everything in the universe to "mere material," stripped of all it's value beyond how it could be utilized and exploited.
Steiner in particular felt he was battling for the very notion of free will itself, and all the spiritual values that proceed from it. That's why his work uses terms like "spiritual science" so often, to legitimize it in the eyes of the people he hoped to reach, namely those swayed by practical and tangible results yielded by scientific experimentation. Because this kind of worldview generally only accepted data measurable by the five empirical senses, he felt there was a real danger of losing things like "meaning," "value," and other abstract concepts that we take for granted in presupposing many of our own dearly held customs.
You can see traces of this in other works of the Victorian Era and Romantic literature like Dracula, where much of the story is compromised of journal entries to lend it this air of legitimacy, as if the entries report real historical events. A central theme of Dracula is also how people like Dr. Seward cope when faced with a real supernatural experience that violates the dogma of their modern view, which they have clung to tenaciously to make sense of reality in the same way that a religious person clings to their dogma. No matter what Seward believes about the limits of reality, all that is dashed to bits when faced with a force like Dracula who violates it. Van Helsing, on the other hand approaches things much more like Steiner, accepting supernatural experience at face value and investigating it the way a scientist would.
Sanguinarianism likely also eminates from agriculture and/ or "loosh"? Did bats and mosquitoes exist before them, or genetically engineered from colonialism?
Their was no ideology of scientism around that time you just can't handle the fact that to most science valid means of knowledge but of course not just science their are other fields as well
As an occultist, this was an interesting look into Theosophy and I am surprised you did a video on it! I would not call them a "cult" though given the negative connotations of that word in our modern world. Thanks for making this!
Yeah, admittedly it is slightly a bait title and I don't really call them a cult in the video proper, but that is *nominally* what they are...even if most people think of like secret orgs or satanists or Charles Manson when they hear the word "cult"
My logic was mostly that writing "Esoteric Order" would be both more wordy and mean nothing to a lot of people.
Glad to hear you liked it otherwise.
@@Rosencreutzzz Yeah I understand!
Stones and bones don't innately have esoteric uses, yet the found faith of the practitioner in combination with their spiritual and/or philosophical practice can produce amazing and unorthodox results. No one else gains knowledge unless someone else becomes wise. Both seeking spiritual understanding in their own way.
randomly stumbled upon this video after looking up steiner for the first time.... thanks for all the info gonna have to dig a lot deeper! Love Twin Peaks btw
Me: (tries to focus)
My brain: Hey! Vicky 2 music!
"We can no more fault the Theosophists for their connection to the Nazis, than we can Nietzsche for, I don't know..."
His connection to the Nazis? Lol
I've been doing some research into this topic in the course of crafting my own cult, and this was actually fairly helpful. Thanks. You can be one of my enforcers after the bombs drop.
can i be leader of ur cult
nice work but: the music is too loud in the mix, yo.
Damn he wasnt kidding, those theoes BE sopin
You’re an awesome guy with cool videos. Keep the work up, I’m rooting for you
The fake outro part had me in shambles ❤
Clicked on this because of the Black Lodge thumbnail because I'm such a Twin Peaks nut.
Man you got me good with that betterhelp fakeout, i was so close to clicking off 😂
THIS IS FANTASTIC! I just watched your Looting of Iraq video, but this is right in my alley of interest, so wonderful, thank you sir
Thanks.
This knits together the fragments I've glimpsed from history.
woke up early today, thought about going back to sleep. not anymore
Can i get an ID for the excellent 'Appalachian Dharma Drone' type music please?
What is the music that begins at about 31:30, with the discussion of the Black Lodge? Dark operatic male vocal.
More on the Black Lodge please!
Keep searching with a heart of pure curiosity. Finding wisdom in the beauty of discovery. Continue to share your findings with those that are genuinely afraid to search due to their given religion. Philosophy can be religious in practice. Practicing religion does not always reveal truth due to dogmatic boundaries. You're doing a great work for all others that seek Truth to serve the spirit that gives life to all the worlds. I thank The Essence of The Eternal Universe for you existence this time. I'll probably give thanks again( Ecclesiastes 1:7-9). Hopefully you'll never truly see death, but I think I'd miss you if I come back and you remain a part of The Infinite. You should look into True Buddhist Temple in Washington State. I'm pretty sure the main temple in the US is in North Bend(about 5 minutes from where I use to live in Wilderness Rim), but you can also seek Refuge in Redmond or Kirkland. It's been a while but they still respect all prophets and spiritual teachers from all religions as Buddhas. Seems like a great place to start again lil bruh Rosencreutz in the continental U S. Stay blessed on your travels bruh. Wishing you the best.
35:22 time of your life.... hilarious. Great video man
"and that's why this Pride Month I partnered with betterhelp" - freakin guffawed
I like theosophy, not because it is perfect but because it strives to help ppl find together in researching ocult knowledge for unselfish reasons.
We are all just humans and so we wont be perfect. An organisation could do whatever it liked but the teaching remains
as the toast of truth, i decree this video shall hit big in the algorithm
Here speaks one who has travelled the depths of social media! 😂
And seemingly returned safely...? I am hopeful but will withhold final judgement on this until the end of this video.
The moment you mentioned the first quote, my thought immediately was:
Did the father of Rosicrucianism really just take his name and turn it into Rosae Crucis?
This was a really weird, rambling video, especially at the start. It's a decent overview of Theosophy, but I wish it had been called 'Intro to Theosophy,' instead of such an ambiguous title, or focusing on the Black Lodge in the thumbnail. That would have really clarified what the video is actually about.
Great documentary!
This was so interesting. Love it! 💕
Good and informative video! ❤ But I need to say you "underrepresented" the Waldorf-Schools.. It's a complicated topic for sure, but as a german (even if I don't like private schools in general) these types of schools are really something else! Steiners "believes" and the education models that emerged from them are to be viewed really critically! Apart from the esoteric perspective, there are many connections to the far right here in german speaking countries. This whole topic deserves a video on it's own.. I just wanted to say this bc I felt like you didn't really touch this..
Krishna murti very influential but much more of a traditionalist bringing Indian religion (esotericism) to the West. He incorporated meditation and was a cross over spiritually, being this influenced by Bhiddist thought. He had many followers and was a gentle, genuine, benign and humble person.
As I understand, Adolf Hitler used the swastika as the symbol for the party which had quickly become his own due to the fact that it adorned the Catholic Church he attended in his youth.
I think Leadbeater is usually produced “Led-better”. At least, that’s the only way I've heard people say it before on TV.
Regardless, thanks for another great video 😃
The word Dugpa doesn’t seem to exist outside its association with the idea of the Black Lodge in theosophy. It was likely coined in the writings of Blavatsky, where it may be a misnomer for Drukpa, the majoritarian Buddhist sect of Bhutan, that some Tibetans, often adhering to the Gelugpa school, sometimes were describing in rather sinister terms.
So what is the Black Lodge up to now?
Lodging
Developing generative AI
lodging all over the place. truly one of the lodges of all time.
Man there was so much information here and I don’t know if any of it means anything to me
I remember driving by the Pasadena Lodge many times when I lived there!
That "Better Help" joke..... almost spit out my drink laughing.
Clicked entirely because of Twin Peaks
how does this only have 1.3k views? Your content seems great i hope u get more subs you deserve it.