If you change the grid of the LFO you don’t change the amount of modulation to 2 octaves or 1 octave. The amount of modulation is set via “modulation amount”. The grid is just a visual representation but if you don’t change the MOD AMOUNT accordingly you are just increasing the number of lines in the screen
@@templecreations2351 Yeah but the problem is he doesn't change it, so he clearly doesn't understand what he's doing, and teaching people wrong. You have to take all these videos with a grain of salt and use more for inspiration rather than proper explanations.
@demishellen Please consider dropping the volume on things with high piercing tones like the sweeps around 2:20, for those listening on headphones. Thanks for another great tutorial.
Thank you for this tutorial! Can you confirm please if my understanding is correct: the Key of the kick sound is defined by the cusp points in the pitch changing curve? Just want to be sure I'm getting it.
Interesting demo. I used to always key the kicks to the track and then I listened to James Wiltshire explain why you shouldn't key your kicks to your track. Phase works differently in the low end. He said do what sounds best so I recently started doing that instead. What do you do?
Exactly what you said. Kicks are kicks as Joel said 😎 in some circumstances a kick maybe best in the root of your scale however…if my key is A minor then I might want my kick to sit above the root note bass, on a C or E for example. Short kick = long bass or long kick - short bass 👍🏼
@@demishellen Im on about the kick being out of the scale entirely. If your track is in A Minor, the kick can be in Ab and sit better than being keyed in the scale. James Wiltshire explains it very well in one of his F9 vids about kicks. Pitch and phase and how it works in the low end. Basically teaches the reverse what I've previously been taught by other producer tutorials. Talks about how you hear the low rumble of thunder from many miles away but you hear the loud crack & clap when lightning is close. Very scientific and insightful
Yeah a kick can be out of scale, just as a teaching tool it easier to keep to a note explain the positioning techniques. Technically A tonal like a hat or clap 👍🏻 But I can never claim to know it all, something always comes around the corner to teach you something new.
Hello! I have a question. min 10:20. Why do you need LFO2 as an amp for the oscillator 1 instead of using the ENV1 that is already on volume? Thank you
ENV1 wasn't used, LFO is much more accurate than the ENVs so works better to use them, remember to set them to envelope, put smooth down and adjust timing to match your use case (1/16th for psytrance) Also make sure there are 3 main points (brighter dots) which have curve points, one for delay, sustain and release.
@ DEMIS HELLEN @ANYONE What key are you making this kick in? Say if I want my kick to be a G. Then I should set the transpose to the number of semitones that is G right? But what I’m confused is in the LFO section where you was talking about drawing in the octaves. Do I have to draw it on the G octave for the LFO drawing? Or I don’t need to do this and can draw whatever and still be in G key? I got confused can you please explain….
I know you said you usually do the processing in the daw, but other than that is there anything else to do once it's in to use it for real? Would you bounce it?
You can layer it with another kick or other sound. Also in daw you can stack multiple plugins and shape the kick even more. But overall the kick is fine and you can use it in the track :d
Dear Demis, Very good video, however i tested your method with the vst "Gtune", the grid is set at the max amount of 24/2octaves like in your video, however if you do not change the "oscillator 1 transpose" to 24.00, the progression of the notes does not reflect the true progression of the scale. This is solved by entering the value of "24.00" in the LFO oscillator :), so please consider to make again the first part of your video so that people with no experience can actually see what to do. Thanks and compliments for the video,,, (edit) however that should always be* a multiple of 12
this kick is definitely not for orchestral hits, of course there's just different uses, so even kicks can have different tonalities! Like a bass in house isn't the same as a bass in dubstep, a kick in trance is not the same as a kick in pop
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If you change the grid of the LFO you don’t change the amount of modulation to 2 octaves or 1 octave. The amount of modulation is set via “modulation amount”. The grid is just a visual representation but if you don’t change the MOD AMOUNT accordingly you are just increasing the number of lines in the screen
Yeah it would only be a linear function if he put it to 36 as well. Else every grid is going to have a 36/24 increase. Was I right sir?
he was partly right, if the value of you pitch modulation is 24 and the grid is set to 24 rows, then each row is 1 semitone.
i was just gonna write this too hehe
@@templecreations2351 Yeah but the problem is he doesn't change it, so he clearly doesn't understand what he's doing, and teaching people wrong. You have to take all these videos with a grain of salt and use more for inspiration rather than proper explanations.
This is great. Thanks! I did something similar in Voltage Modula but your envelope is better than mine
@demishellen
Please consider dropping the volume on things with high piercing tones like the sweeps around 2:20, for those listening on headphones.
Thanks for another great tutorial.
Than you Demis
Thank you for this tutorial!
Can you confirm please if my understanding is correct: the Key of the kick sound is defined by the cusp points in the pitch changing curve? Just want to be sure I'm getting it.
very thorough!
6'40"...it's not exactly true, the variation is one octave only if, at the same time, the value of your pitch modulation is 12
Thanks a lot. Nice tutorial.
Do you know if the lfo are still more precise than the envelopes in Vital?
But how to make the kick only by envelopes?
Interesting demo. I used to always key the kicks to the track and then I listened to James Wiltshire explain why you shouldn't key your kicks to your track. Phase works differently in the low end. He said do what sounds best so I recently started doing that instead. What do you do?
Exactly what you said. Kicks are kicks as Joel said 😎 in some circumstances a kick maybe best in the root of your scale however…if my key is A minor then I might want my kick to sit above the root note bass, on a C or E for example. Short kick = long bass or long kick - short bass 👍🏼
@@demishellen Im on about the kick being out of the scale entirely. If your track is in A Minor, the kick can be in Ab and sit better than being keyed in the scale. James Wiltshire explains it very well in one of his F9 vids about kicks. Pitch and phase and how it works in the low end. Basically teaches the reverse what I've previously been taught by other producer tutorials. Talks about how you hear the low rumble of thunder from many miles away but you hear the loud crack & clap when lightning is close. Very scientific and insightful
Yeah a kick can be out of scale, just as a teaching tool it easier to keep to a note explain the positioning techniques. Technically A tonal like a hat or clap 👍🏻
But I can never claim to know it all, something always comes around the corner to teach you something new.
@@demishellen What? You don't know it all? That's impossible!😀 Everyday is a school day and you are one of the best teachers around👍
Haha if I knew everything I would be a very successful man 🤣
Hello! I have a question. min 10:20. Why do you need LFO2 as an amp for the oscillator 1 instead of using the ENV1 that is already on volume? Thank you
ENV1 wasn't used, LFO is much more accurate than the ENVs so works better to use them, remember to set them to envelope, put smooth down and adjust timing to match your use case (1/16th for psytrance)
Also make sure there are 3 main points (brighter dots) which have curve points, one for delay, sustain and release.
@ DEMIS HELLEN @ANYONE
What key are you making this kick in?
Say if I want my kick to be a G. Then I should set the transpose to the number of semitones that is G right?
But what I’m confused is in the LFO section where you was talking about drawing in the octaves. Do I have to draw it on the G octave for the LFO drawing? Or I don’t need to do this and can draw whatever and still be in G key?
I got confused can you please explain….
Thnx for this helpfull tutorial 🔥🧡
That's a lot of work for a kick if you know that we have so many nice and good functioning plugins for just a kick, nevertheless good explanations
I know you said you usually do the processing in the daw, but other than that is there anything else to do once it's in to use it for real? Would you bounce it?
You can layer it with another kick or other sound. Also in daw you can stack multiple plugins and shape the kick even more.
But overall the kick is fine and you can use it in the track :d
in vital 180 is already 0 phase you dont have to change that setting
It is strange but if you save preset in Vital you will see that there is no Kick "style".
I did everything you did in this video and it still didn't sound the same as yours. Nice video though...
Dear Demis, Very good video, however i tested your method with the vst "Gtune", the grid is set at the max amount of 24/2octaves like in your video, however if you do not change the "oscillator 1 transpose" to 24.00, the progression of the notes does not reflect the true progression of the scale. This is solved by entering the value of "24.00" in the LFO oscillator :), so please consider to make again the first part of your video so that people with no experience can actually see what to do. Thanks and compliments for the video,,, (edit) however that should always be* a multiple of 12
I've never understood the people in the comment section. This kick sounds bad and is very unusable lol
Remember this is a demonstration of understanding kicks not a “how making the perfect kick”
Vital is not an option to make good kicks.
@@real.demesure this couldn’t be more wrong. 😑
@@demishellen I challenge you to make a great kick using this :p
this kick is definitely not for orchestral hits, of course
there's just different uses, so even kicks can have different tonalities!
Like a bass in house isn't the same as a bass in dubstep, a kick in trance is not the same as a kick in pop