Making the Case - LeBron James
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- I think that there are 8 players in NBA history that you can make the argument for as the Greatest of All Time. LeBron James is one of them. In this video, I make the case.
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Thank you so much for watching this video (and the others, if you have). So many of these comments are so funny and supportive of the video, series, and channel that it's just surreal.
I did, however, make an oopsie and say that LeBron was drafted in 2004, when in fact, he was drafted in 2003!
Classic me.
Great series Clayton, and while I agree that Kobe Bryant doesn't have a case for GOAT, do you not think that George Mikan has one? 5 time NBA champion, rule changes made in order to stop him, defining the role of the big man, and has the statistics to back him up. I would really be interested in hearing your opinion about it.
You should do julius erving
@@Mazzawak I know my opinion doesnt matter, I would disagree with Mikan on the grounds that the league is so fundamentally changed since Mikan it would be impossible to view him aw the greatest. Unlike Baseball where the statistics and measurement for greatness has remained virtually unchanged since Babe Ruth started slugging 1.250 and Ty Cobb reached 4,000 hits, basketballs standard for greatness has shifted so far from Mikan's era and even the idea of dominance at the Center position was overtaken by the 3 guys Clayton profiled. From championships with Russell, to stats, accolades and longevity with Kareem to cultural impact with all the above for Jordan and LeBron, Mikan seems like an Oscar Robertson or Hakeem Olajuwon, certainly in the top 25 and you can make an argument for top 10 but doesn't in my eyes fit GOAT but I'd have him in my top 20
@Clayton Crowley. Please please make a case for the Black Mamba. Thank you! God bless. 🐍 #For24
What's next for this channel? Obviously you've pointed out the 8 arguable GOATS in bball, but will you branch out of bball and make claims for GOATS in all other sports? I personally love this video series and want to see more!
"Built like Karl Malone, Passes like Bird, Jumps like Michael and a surveys the court like Magic Johnson.. Faster than the Strongest and Stronger than the fastest" Woow what a line!!
Uet was outplayed by role player in a series, not just a game the whole series!!
Zorain Green it happens bro! Ask any Great who they had the hardest time playing against, and they will almost certainly always name some 2nd tier athlete, that just uniquely knew how to cover that player. They will name the player and you’ll be like “who?”
@@bgbills10 you can be outplayed in a game by a star is ok but the whole series by a role player is unforgivable
Zorain Green look man I'm a huge LeBron fan and I now he had a bad performance that finals man but everyone has a choke job like magic he said in the video Larry bird Kobe and etc man so just because Jason Terry did had better performance then LeBron why doesn't it means he's all those things because he his he just had one bad performance man
@@zinjgreen3398 and jordan was outplayed in the 5 first years of his playoff carrer. So...... u think jordan is not the goat? He is but stil he also had his faults.
Plot Twist: No one's hating on LeBron in this comment section
Let me finish watching..I'm halfway done.
Lebrons in here deleting the hateful comments.
Is that even possible??
Dont worry mate, i ll be on it, but first let me finish this masterpiece of a vidéo.
Hate the person but can't hate the game
This was made two years ago, LBJ has won another title since and is leading the league in scoring at 37 averaging 30.1 - 8.2 - 6.3... year 19
and his 4th finals mvp
scoring doesn't mean a shitt at all. All the teams have played for lebron to score.
He still has a pretty shitty %
@@valuxlevelux5618 30 ppg on 52 percent from the field is shitty?
@@swaggerbg5531 @Swagger BG On the paper maybe its not. But in reality they lost most games after 10 minutes and laqueen was free to score.
They didn't even make the playoffs.
So yes it proves my point ; scoring doesnt mean a shit at all. What if he made 50 ppg and still missed playoffs ?
Also laqueen didn't play A LOT of games that mattered the most, like in the end of the season. That coward didn't even want to take responsability of missing playoffs.
The coolest thing about lebron is that you could probably add another 20 minutes to this video by the time he’s retired what a legend man
his longevity is absolutely unreal and probably will be unmatched. he can basically do anything on the court and has done it for 19 years straight is unfathomable, the fact that he's still top 10 in year 19 is unheard of but also crazy to think about when you take into the account that he was the best rookie of his class and that he dominated the league from 2008-2018 (its not like it took him a while to rise to stardom but was a star as soon as he came into the league
I hope he has the longest career ever
The coolest thing about LeBron is :: He Plays In Jordan's Old Number. ... there is nothing else "Cool" about that drama queen!!
yes add 6 finals losses soon the only player with 5000 turnovers a career 2.10 assist to turnover ratio cries whines flops jumps ship and recently acts like a 2 year old doesn't he have 2 bronze medals mj and kobe have golds ah he's the goat... in his mind and bronsexuals too
@@cdazo32 MJ's assist to turnover ratio is literally worse than Bron's lmao. Bron got the same amount of bronze and golds kobe does so what are you smoking with that point? Like I don't think bron's the goat, but these arguments are ridiculous. Just say MJ won more in less years and ur done lol
I love how one random guy on the internet can make a better series than an entire global company.
Fan analysis is always the best
@@dakidbiscuit624 frfr
Man's got nothing to sell. Immediate advantage these days. Got to say, it's some of the most unbiased and balanced sports reporting I've seen in any sport. Keep it up.
TH-cam rewind?
True
"How is it that going to the Finals and losing, is worse than not making it at all?!"
My thoughts exactly..
That kind of thinking is what separates the GOATS and other greats there is no 2nd place trophies it’s you either win or lose yeah he’s made it to more finals but he’s lost more than won. Losing is losing doesn’t matter if it’s the first round or finals, MJ knew this Bird Magic Bryant knew this no excuses you make it that far you HAVE to win
@@TheRaidernation33 In my country we have a lemme that says "nadar, nadar e morrer na praia", basically "swim,swim and die on the Beach"....How much matter If came this Far and couldn't take It home.
One I agree you make it that far and you can’t close the deal then you’ve failed.
TheRaidernation33 Well according to detractors, it does matter. I see “3-6” everywhere when bashing LeBron. Yet nobody talks about first round exits from certain other players.
gush beats Mj was heavily criticized for losing early in career what are you talking about?
The idea of 5 LeBron’s vs 5 of anybody is accurate, hilarious, and terrifying at the same time🤣
Imagine xd
5 lebron James on a starting team would absolutely destroy a team consisting of wilt chamberlain, bill Russell,Oscar Robertson, magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan. He would embarrass wilt chamberlain and bill Russell around the basket. He would make magic Johnson look like a high schooler. And Michael Jordan would be exposed by lebron James as a wannabe NBA player. Oscar Robertson would look like a junior high school basketball team substitute. If he wants to lebron James would average 40 points a game, 25 rebounds, 10 blocks, and 15 assists in every game.
@@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 I can totally see that, but don't know how he beats 5 Birds...
@@Kreontas he would easily
i think his athleticism along with higher basketball iq would give him the edge over bird. He also better defense on perimeter and inside, and 5 different lebron's of pure athleticism and high level plays would overwhelm bird despite bird's wide arsenal of scoring methods.
The fact that he added another ring, another FMVP, became the all-time leading scorer in NBA regular season history, and had the insane stats at 38 AFTER this video made an argument for him being the GOAT is quite a testament to who he is as a player.
He is now the inaugural In Season Tournament winner, on his way to be the first man to score 40,000 points, and continues to score
@@Kenton112 AND he'll break Oscar Schmidt's record of 49,737 points scored in a professional career, and take his total over 50,000. Greatest scorer ever.
Give me a detailed list of what he's put in his body over the years (you can't- I guarantee he juiced his entire career and being such a cash cow was given the green light to do so), how much money he spent, how many games he missed (compared to Jordan), how many times he just gave up on plating defense, etc... then we'll have some context for his durability longevity.
@@oceanwaves83 basing your argument on something you can't prove (him being juiced) is not an honest argument. Nice try though.
@dylan9013 No, that's actually a highly flawed way of thinking. In recent years people have gotten too obsessed by "facts and evidence" to the point where they've lost nearly all wisdom, foresight, and common sense.
Someone might hypothesize that if we created a national speed limit of 300mph, it would result in more car accidents. These days, someone like you will come along and say "that's not true there's no evidence of that" while seemingly making a laughable attempt at siezing some perceived intellectual high ground.
People are so obsessed with "facts and evidence" they would justify buying a used car with advertised "New hood! New front bumper! New radiator! Fresh paint!" simply because they see 4 facts and know that new parts are better than old parts. They can't recognize that the vehicle has been in a wreck because they've lost all common sense.
Be aware that you may be starting to lose sight of the forest due to all the trees.
"he's not the strongest or the fastest, but he's faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest"
crazy line
It sounds dope but it’s actually not that impressive, a lot of athletes in the NBA fit that criteria
It sounds a lot cooler than it is. To meet the criteria say in today’s NBA all you would have to do is be stronger than De’Aron Fox and faster than Andre Drummond. That’s pretty much just every SG, SF, and PF in the league, also includes a lot of PGs and Cs.
@@jamesh7469 its not to be taken that literally its just highlighting that james is an incredible athlete even amongst the best in the world
I'd say for the first half of his career Lebron WAS the fastest in the league. He's still the quickest power forward, and he still chases down guards from behind.
Ngl I failed to appreciate Lebron’s skill at his size. It’s crazy to see
Holy moly all the hair on my body is standing up after those ending lines.
I damn well nearly shed a tear
Paul Maree I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
I’m currently weeping. This made me realize how much he’s done for the sport.
I've watched this man play for 19 years and I'm chokin up. Damn!
@@extremelypositiveperson1811 i can't believe he is still going at mvp levels...favorite to win finals mvp with a 3rd different coach and team...alot of ppl get extra salty with him in these debates because deep down in their hearts they know he has a legit claim to throne as much as jordan or any other great they want to put there.
As a guy who’s team Jordan in the GOAT debate the reason many people get so up in arms over LeBron is because LeBron is the biggest threat to their GOAT. Simple as that. They don’t admit it, but on a subconscious level that is the answer.
Saying what was on my mind
Lebron is the only real competition
You hit the nail on the head. I think MJ is the greatest, but LeBron is my personal favorite between the two and I'd love for him or anyone else to pass MJ given his character.
@@jackpeterson305 Kareem
He’s not even close
Man. This video needs an update ASAP. If he had a strong case with 3x6, he now has 4, better longevity and is the all time leading scorer. The GOAT
Nah, he's still far far faaaaaar away from Jordan.
@@OriginFormeLad if you think he’s that far off, you very clearly don’t know basketball.
@@OriginFormeLad someone doesn't know anything about basketball.
@@OriginFormeLad why.
@@yuvanmarimuthu4909 just a hater. No sane person thinks hes faaaar away from jordan
Next you should make a case series for the greatest NBA teams of all time examples 96 Bulls, 16 Warriors, Showtime Lakers etc.
YESSSSS
Celtics hands down
CLAYTON PLEASE
that is such a good idea
AMEN
This series is better than any thing ESPN could ever do. Props to you
Lol you must've never watched 30 for 30. When espn tries they're spectacular
Honestly
This is the most unbias video on MJ Lebron Comparison. th-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/w-d-xo.html
It’s big Bill Simmons 30 for 30 vibes and I’d love for Clayton to connect with him and get on a pod episode or something. A young guy as knowledgeable as him vs someone who started out very similar but damn near 30 would be a conversation I’d love to hear
@@kennethli8 Just because he says “Jordan is the Goat” doesn’t make it unbiased
Since this video he went from
4th to 1st in points
10th to 4th in assists
56th to 32nd in rebounds
and he's STILL playing
You forgot an extra ring, finals MVP, first ever in season tournament winner and finals MVP for that tournament.
rewatching this after he broke the unbreakable record
Watching it for the first time 😂. I think it’s interesting that this was made prior to the record being broken
This is the best basketball series of videos ever made.
It’s beautiful bro
So true
amen
Agreed
Some would say, the greatest basketball series of all time
So today I'll be making the case, for Making the Case, as the most entertaining and fair basketball GOAT series of all time.
What the hell are you doing here?
Jack Bernstein I was gonna say the same thing
Cubfan watches basketball???
Ah yes, minecraft player
Better than the last dance by far
That is the perfect way to describe LeBron’s physical attributes "he’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s stronger than the fastest and faster than the strongest"
I think that his transformation truly began once he went to Miami. There he also put shooting and post offense in his arsenal, and since then, he just was on another level. Pre Miami, he was faster, stronger and youth, but then he added the entire package.
Killer player
He was Exhausted every title run in Cleveland. If he was on the lakers with Shaq. Ez 5-10 Rings.
@@TheASSSASINIf Lebron had a coach that ran the triangle offense as well as Phil Jackson he would surpass Bill Russell lmao, Shaq would be the cherry on top.
The funny thing is that this series is so good and the arguments are so compelling that it only makes you feel LESS confident in who the G.O.A.T is due to the now 8 equally sound cases presented.
Like after every video I felt like I redid my alltime ranking
I think thats the intention, his intro says exactly that there is no way to say for certain if one player is the goat but he rties to give equally compeling arguments to the ones most popular, that he thinks that would make sense to discuss, and does that flawlessly
Which is how it should be. Not that it should make you ultimately change who you think your GOAT is, but it will hopefully make you at least acknowledge that other opinions are also valid.
It is a great series, but I think Bird, Magic, and especially Russel and Duncan all have pretty dubious goat claims. If in any given year, you aren't clearly the best player in the world, how can you be the goat? LeBron probably has the longest continuous reign of best player in the league. 2008-2017 or even until present. Jordan had like 1990-1998 but the last year is fairly dubious and he had a 2 year gap.
@@1987retroman I don't see how Russels claim is dubious. In a competitive sport surely the best winner of all time should automatically be in the conversation for G.O.A.T. Not saying they automatically are the best but you've gotta be considered.
They've been a spotlight on this man career since he was 16 years old he's a goat for not going insane
There is no such thing as "A GOAT"
Sam Parker he was just messing lol
All facts. Most would’ve been snapped.
@@Akgamestar137 I know I would lol.
Was that after MJ's 2nd retirement?.......correct me if I'm wrong that after returning from his first retirement that the Bulls won three rings and Michael Jordan won three MVP rings consecutively?, guess whats going to happen after Lebron's first retirement....no one will care about him little more than a season later.
Huge fan of your channel man
Huge fan of YOUR channel 😂🎉
I’ve watched the ending countless times. Im crying rn. Its so beatiful and even tho Lebron is struggling rn nothing will take that away from him
This video, like the king himself, is a masterclass.
lebron isn’t even struggling, he’s having a career season 🥴, just the lakers suck ass
The lakers* are struggling Lebron getting along just fine
LeBron isn’t struggling. He’s about to lead the league in scoring in his 19th season. He proved 2 seasons ago he can still be the best player on a championship team
@@bloop2184 fax
Jordan is still my GOAT, but LeBron has earned the right to be in the conversation. Anyone who downplays LeBron's achievements on the court shouldn't be taken seriously.
Respect coming from a bron fan. Wish there were more mj fans like this lol.
you have the respect from a bron fan
Iam an mj fan but lebron is truly the perfect basketball player I mean in 2k my career I always modeled my player to a 6'9 250 lbs Small Forward with the speed of a guard strength of a power forward center and durability of a small forward
this is fax
Respectable bro finally not a MJ muncher
Next time on Making the Case: Clayton Crowley
No cap
david freeeman cap
Rare big cap
What about Alex curroso
I never got a chance to live the experience of what the other 7 players on your list were like in the moment, but as an Ohioan I can assure you that the 2016 playoffs final was the most magical thing to happen in Cleveland, ever. It was straight out of a storybook
Just watched this gem of a video 2 years after it was released, and I gotta say, Clayton does make 1 hell of a case, as a Spurs fan the Tim Duncan case video was particularly enjoyable to watch, but this, the writing, the narration and the choice of music was all just perfect, I almost shed a tear at the end lol and then I remembered that I'm supposed to be hating the guy, especially after the heartbreak of the 2013 finals, but my goodness what video, what a case, what a player...!!!
Jesus Christ, the ending gave me goosebumps
SAME btw ily
Same wtf
Same
Same
Yes wtfff
I realize this is way too late to be relevant in the conversation, but I was born in 2001. I've watched this series religiously and I decided that I would sit down with my dad and watch this LeBron one. As soon as the Jordan truthers comment came up, I asked him, "Why does LeBron get Jordan truthers so angry when it comes to GOAT conversations?" He simply said, "He's the only real threat."
Needless to say, he loved this video and we watched the rest of the series together. You really changed his mind on Tim Duncan ("I never really saw him like that, but yeah, he's underrated") and LeBron to the point where he said that he thinks historically Jordan is 1 and LeBron will retire and 1A. Crazy stuff. Thanks for giving me and the old man a chance to talk about this on a more level playing field!
That's dope
I knew it all along bro. That's the only explanation because if he weren't they wouldn't mention him so much. But to actually hear it from the horse's mouth is pretty dope.
ur dad is a wise man
Ur lucky to have such a reasonable dad
@@JahleelX-xx9wd The louder they hate the more they fear. Almost 20 years since he was first deemed The Chosen One. We are all witness.
"Built like Karl Malone, passes like Bird, jumps like Jordan and surveys the court like Magic. He is not the strongest or the fastest but he is faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest"
That’s just the perfect description of LeBron James
That description was aptly used to describe Jordan.
@@johnjones528Jordan is nowhere built like Malone, a mediocre passer, does not have even half the vision of magic and the last quote is subjective. You just pulled something out of ur ass because your so offended by who the true GOAT really is.
@@johnjones528 None of this applies to Jordan. Just go somewhere and sit down 😂😂😂
@@imjustthatnigga ALL of it aoplies to Jordan, especially tge jumping part
@@johnjones528 So Jordan's built like Malone and passes like Bird and surveys the floor like Magic? Are you slow? 😂
What a great and well-researched TH-cam series! Thank you so much for making these. My personal choice would be Wilt, but you make compelling cases out of all of them. Keep up the good work!
Wilt isn’t even top 10 if we keeping it real
kareem, hakeem, and debatably shaq and russell are just some centers better than wilt. don’t get me started on every other position..
Who's here after LeBron just won his 4th ring, this time in Los Angeles?
MJ the goat.
Lebron the gote.
Greatest of this era.
Where's MJ's washington's rings?
MJ - 6 rings + 6 FMVP
Lebron 4 + 4 and I doubt he gets any more.
@@cactusdragon3553 why do u think that everyone was saying that this year 💀
Some people think Lebron is the goat now. Its subjective though, as these youtube videos show. Bill Russell could easily be called the goat too.
“Fastest than the strongest, strongest than the fastest” boy if that ain’t a bar right there my boy out here spitting fire dawgg🤣🤣🤟🏻😤
I mean if you think about it most players in the nba are faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest
Brendan Boyle that’s true but it sounds good lol
If you put someone smaller on him, he will bully him. If you put someone big on him, he will leave them in the dust. If you put 2 on him he will find the open man.
RIP English.
@@clint3868 yeah but hes comparing him to the the rest of the league. A specimen. The only thing with greater potential right now is gianis.
The fact that there were all these expectations since high school and the man actually delivered is bonkers and he’s still going lol
The ending of this video actually made me cry
Gives me chills every time
bruh same
How did this make u cry
@@thatguy1763 how did it not
@@cesarespinoza8110 it’s a documentary about lebron James, not a funeral.
@@thatguy1763 its perfectly edited and coupled that with the music along with Claytons amazing writing the last 2 mins almost feel poetic. it an underdog story of the 3-1 comeback and its presented in all of its glory, along with its poignant ending here fully convinced he why he's the GOAT and inspires me to tackle everything I do with the same never give up attitude Lebron exposed in that series and his entire career.
I was a Lebron hater when I was younger, I almost hated him as much as I hated Kobe which says a lot, especially as a Spurs fan. However, I realized how wrong I was after Kobe declined and eventually retired, I never enjoyed his run and was genuinely sad to see Kobe leave the game, and that caused me to pivot and learn to appreciate all of the things lebron does. He's the most complete player I think i'll ever see, I hope he can win 2 or 3 more rings before we transition into the next era of basktball.
I appreciate that you can see the game objectively and without bias. You my friend are a legit basketball fan and we need more people like you.
He is pretty likely to get one this year
Every spurs fan around the world backs you up.
Well, he's likely gonna get one this year (unless the Heat continue their rampage all the way)
We about to go in to the Luka Doncic Era no cap
When he retires in 2033 YOU HAVE TO REMAKE THIS VIDEO. ENDING GIVES ME CHILLS EVERYTIME.
Lebron go retire anotha 5 years
@@geraldwilson1705 another 9
@@AryehShelElohim LeBron is immortal, he's like the queen of England.
@@emiliovgc507 love it bro
@@emiliovgc507 you actually had me dying with laughter
I think the issue with Lebron and Jordan believers is people who believe Lebron is the goat can respect people who think Jordan is the goat, but people who think Jordan is the goat thinks Lebron is the worst player to ever pick up a basketball.
I've heard Jordan fans say LeBron is barely top 10
@@seradjlarfi6905 I’ve seen not even 5 minutes ago multiple people say LeBron isn’t even top 20
I respect LBJ argument in some ways, in some ways he is the best ever. I don't "hate" LBJ or his fans because I watched both players and I think MJ was more dominant, specifically I've only seen 1 or 2 playoffs where LBJ matched MJs playoff intensity. On the flip side, the weirdest thing I see from young LeBron fans who didn't watch the Bulls is this fantasy that every Jordan teammate was some offensive hall of famer. Some of his teams were stacked defensively but LeBron has overall had more offensive talent around him in his career. Other than Pippen and Rodman, nobody would even know the name of Jordan's teammates if they hadn't played with MJ. Everybody would know AD, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie and Love if those players had never played with LBJ.
This is the complete opposite
@@Bushwhakker It's literally not, how many people online or irl claim that Jordan isn't top 5, now how many claim that LeBron isn't top 5, huge difference
Bron won a 4th ring since then, has the most all stars and all nba selections and reached 40 k pts whikst being top 5 in assisits all time and top 10 in rebounds and is a top 10 player in the league rn without slowing down, hes the greatest ever 🔥🔥
LeBron wanted to give his starved hometown a championship, then gave the city arguably the most incredible championship story ever.
Facts and it was incredibly the greatest ring of all time
You mean he wanted to form another Superteam and expand his brand.
@@zigod8204 nah too much luck and help from refs in game 6.
@@TheTariqibnziyad Really??? IS that how close-minded are you???
@@kissvigafria1213 nah he’s not close minded just completely oblivious to his own ignorance. Sad to see people still creampieing Jordan every chance they get🤦♂️
Whether he is your GOAT or not, its goddamn refreshing to see everyone showing respect in the comments.
Xavier Bucknor nah I slandered him
@@raw5889 That's because you're a clown
still lot’s of shit in the replies bud
it’s just the sad reality of youtube comments
specially compared to Twitter
Lebron is a joke
Can't wait for a revised version of this!
You deserve a TH-cam Oscars for this documentary man DAME.
"He's LeBron James, the most valuable basketball player ever. The most complete basketball player who's ever lived. The greatest basketball player of all time." That hit different 😭
Doesn't have a reliable floater or midranger, perimeter defense is a joke...sorry that's faaar from complete.
@@TheTariqibnziyad doesn't have a reliable floater midranger, perimeter defence is a joke, in that case jordan had an inconsistent three ball, subpar playmaking, interior defense subpar we don't evaluate a player based on what they not good at we evaluate what they can do like saying steph curry would be bad if couldn't shoot, obviously that's what he is elite at, the quote was based on the premise that lebron james is has the combination of elite playmaking, scoring and defence the three most pivotal aspects of the game of basketball. Not to mention James is an above average mid range shooter, he doesn't need to use floaters because he is an elite athlete who can finish above the rim, and considering he is 260 pounds 6'9 he moves his feet like a guard. Please stop with these shitty takes who do not know basketball, btw micheal jordan is above average at what i mentioned before just his not as good as he is in other aspects of the game, i was just using them as examples to show you how autistic your comments were
@@TheTariqibnziyad ok jordan jock strap holder
@@lachlanjo6543 Jordan slurpers sometimes need a reality check like your comment
@@TheTariqibnziyad you're the reason why condoms were invented
A view and argument on LeBron James that I have never seen or heard before, and what an argument it is. Awesome series, fantastic throughout. Looking forward to your future content, Clayton “Clutch” Crawley! 😁🏀
How did you view this so early
Lakers4Life Lakers4Life subscribed to Clayton’s Patreon! :)
What an amazing video my man, had me getting emotional there. Your voice and attenuation, the choice of words and script, the choice of clips and editing, great work.
still come back and watch this video every couple months. it's just so freaking well made and argued. kudos
honestly I don't even like basketball that much, I just love this mans passion
"We as sports fans fetishize potential"
Great quote
The arts (music particularly) do it too. It can make a few careers but it destroys thousands consistently, and leaves them with a host of mental health problems to boot.
so true, it really affects how we talk about D Rose :(
@@TMoneyCIt really affects how we talk about any player. We always say “What if” to any player who didn’t pan out or didn’t reach their potential due to injury or had some sort of tragedy strike them… eg. T-Mac, Vince Carter, Brandon Roy, Len Bias.
That ending straight up made me emotional I won't lie
@MUFC can you stfu and like stfu?
@@jack2957 😂😂😂
@MUFC I disagree, soccer has been around the longest and basketball is a relatively new sport that is expanding extremely fast, american football is literally only played in north america, soccer is played around the world but U.S. is becoming the trandsettter around the world due to social media and NO ONE in U.S. is playing soccer, at least none of the cool kids are
😂😂😂 me too literally strarted crying
@MUFC this man copy pasting this shit on every nba video ever
Let's not forget the fact that LeBron went against another player who's arguably the greatest to ever do it too, Tim Duncan and a stacked spurs team, he lost to on his first year with a trash Cavs team leading them to the finals against the spurs as well as beating them as well and losing again. This was INSANE competition as it's two players on each team who can be argued as the best ever players. That's insane. Kudos to LeBron, give credit to any player who earned it Tim Duncan and LeBron earned it.
Good point, but there have been other situations like the one you mentioned. Kareem and Oscar. Kareem and Magic, versus Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and the Celts. Doc and Moses vs. Kareem and Magic, etc.
24:50 hold up nah. That loss can be pinned on Dirk completing one of if not the greatest playoff run ever. No one ever gives credit to the Mavs
That is true. PI like how you put some respect on Dirk's name. Still, LeBron did underperform.
I'm upset we aren't going to see a "Making the Case - Robert Horry" ...
April 1st, 2021.
@@Herv3 lol
Its so weird seeing how small LeBron was even as a teenager because I am so used to him looking like a damn freight train
I literally was thinking the same thing haha
Trap Settingz or he works out?😂
@Trap Settingz He spends millions on his body a year. He cuts out foods and lives on a strict diet specifically made to make him the strongest he can be
@Trap Settingz Its always funny how some people will say this and when you ask why the be like "just look at him". Then you point dudes like Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Giannis, and Zion and they be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Dude is just gifted and takes care of himself.
@@whippercream8998 so going on a diet costs millions per year? Yeah "he definitely isn't on roids"
these videos are two years old but i still love how in depth it goes. my favorite one has the be the duncan video
Absolutely friendo, the making the case videos, both team and player, are certified classics. Bout to let the Playlist run while I cut the grass, thanks Clayton.
“Making the Case” series is your signature content... it what makes your channel stand out.
I wish to see more “MTC series” on other subjects.
Kudos in advance.
Hes doing a series for the greatest team of all time. Right now
“Ben Wallace’s corpse”
that one made me laught
@@-piras I also laught
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He was so fun to watch in Detroit...that team defense with Big Ben wallace patrolling the middle was ruthless..."no fly zone"
"...old Shaq, Ben Wallace's corpse."
Lol made me lose my shit laughing
I thought I was the only one who was laughing that hard at that comment.
Lmao
I've always said this. Put Michael Jordan against every finals opponent LeBron had to face and I'd bet my life he doesn't go 6-0. The Fact that LeBron was able to win 4 rings against damn near perfect teams is extraordinary. A wise man once said "Jordan can make a Good team into a Great team, but LeBron can turn a Bad team into a Good team".
I love Jordan, but I believe he would lose against KD's Warriors.
Jordan would have lost to the Spurs, man he would have even lost to the KDless Warriors.
@Sneatt
I don't know if Jordan would have gone 6-0 against today's teams. Do you know why? Because I don't know how good he would be at team jumping and creating insta-dynasties, like LeBron. Jordan didn't get to pick and choose his teams, coaches, and teammates. He didn't get to take his talents to South Beach and play on super teams, coming out of weak conferences, yet still lose to underdogs like LeBron.
So, yeah, I don't know. He might have gone 8-0 if he had been able to do that.
@@johnjones528 Absolutely not. He was blessed to be drafted to the bulls and have a god team built around him. He was blessed to have a legendary coach like Phil Jackson. You're right, he didn't need to jump from team to team like LeBron because he was never in a bad situation. I also believe Jordan wouldn't have won 6 rings if he did leave the bulls. Jordan was just blessed to hit his prime in the 90's when there was no dynasties like in the 80's and 2000's. LeBron is the Goat. Sorry bro.
@@Sneatt First of all, I watched Jordan in college and saw him come out of UNC to play with the Chicago Bulls. Phil Jackson was NOT a legendary coach when he joined the Bulls. He BECAME legendary coaching Jordan. What NBA team did PHil Jackson coach before he signed on with the Bulls?
Oh, that's right! He didn't coach in the NBA. He coached the Albany Patroons, the Piratas de Quebradillas (1984 and 1987) and the Gallitos de Isabela (1984-1986). He regularly sought out NBA teams to coach , but was frequently turned down.
This needs to be remade after his 4th chip and scoring record
Agreed
Maybe wait until lebron retires and do a 30-45 min follow-up.
I'll wait 15 years to watch the Luka doncic video
Luka will still be waiting for lebron to step aside though....maybe in 20 😅
giannis too and maybe even kawhi or kd
@Dominic dominic dude... If you re funny like this each and every time you speak, you should start some stand up comedy, but please stop watching basket Ball 😜😜
Moui Gnagno That was the perfect answer 😂 well done.
He will be a tummy boy in like 5 years
Great series finale. Entertaining, insightful, persuasive. Well done, Mr Crowley. Interested to see what the LeBron haters come back with and looking forward to the next series/videos.
I come back to this video for the 2016 finals section. The way he summarizes the series is so succinct!
"5 LeBrons would win against 5 of anybody" No better way to put it.
That doesn't mean that one leBron will beat one of anybody.
@@johnjones528 But does show that Lebron is the goat player in terms of "How much does this man contribute to his team?"
The ‘16 finals felt like a glitch in the simulation. I was rooting for Bron the whole time but at 3-1 against that historic Warriors team, I thought it was over... Without a doubt the greatest testament to his legacy imo
hands down. the block became his signature moment as well immediately
That’s who he is right there, unfortunately time and time in his career he gives up and dosent even try after one setback
Agreed and I hate LeBron lol
@@Ratchetface Kevin love wasn’t playing at an all star level in first two years in Cleveland so basically it was kyrie and good role players around him
This is true but still doesn't make him the goat
I believe LeBron James is the most criticize and overanalyze player of all time
He’s the first big star in the internet era
He is in the time where basketball is at its most popular
Uno Paz 100% agree, more of an international game now than ever
@@JCJ1234567890 kobe is dude
@@unopaz4970 basketball is not the most popular in the world and football is America most popular sport.
Clayton i've watched this video 5 times for the last two minutes, great job man
Me: dislikes LeBron
Also me: doesn't let my dislike for LeBron cloud my judgment, because he is truly up there with MJ
No he's not. Mj is really up there. Even with michael jordan's 10 seasons lebron would never beat many records of jordan in his 18 seasons trust me. Jordan never lost 3 straight in a row in 13 seasons. He hates losing. Jordan was rank 2nd and 1st when it comes to scoring, rebounding and assist in his position as a shooting guard. Lebron was 8th and 16th rank in reb and assist. 1st in scoring definitely. Jordan was way more better than lebron. Kobe and lebron should be the debate.
@@jomercatibog2349 🤡
@@jomercatibog2349 just leave
@@jomercatibog2349 teams win games. aside from miami, lebron tends to be on pretty bad teams
@DavidOh so you one of those? The "back in my day" dude that seems to pop up randomly lmao
I immediately dropped all that I was doing for this video. What a gem of a series. You have a serious knack for writing, video editing, and narrating. Great video.
This series belongs beside Kobe Bryant's "Dear Basketball" as the greatest love letters written to the sport ever. You didn't just make a series of arguments for the greatest player. You wrote pure poetry about a love for the game that we all struggle to articulate as fans, but understand inherently. I'll be coming back to watch these for years to come.
You couldn’t have said it better!
LeBron is the only player in history of sports that has been argued being the goat for 10+ years and still playing. When he's done it will be interesting to remake these kind of videos with all the stats and history. He's definitely on the mount Rushmore of basketball and the greatest of our era. The most complete player ever. Don't even mention what he did for the players empowerment and outside basketball.
Tom Brady?
@@CDX7Brady being the goat being a topic of heavy debate only really lasted between his 4th and 5th ring,about 2 years.
Actually Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan were argued for being the GOAT both during their playing days and afterwards.
@@CDX7 Brady goat talk only really took off in 2015
Brady goat qb... Not goat player.
The final 3 minutes are beyond perfect, the goosebumps i got from it were unreal\
“They don’t boo bums” I think about this quote every time the anti Lebron gang shows up on a vid like this. This is some of the best basketball content on TH-cam tho, can’t wait to see what you do next.
"They dont boo bums." Danny Green and KCP would like to talk with you
Another quote I think is “they hate you when you’re great”
LeBron can’t be the goat, he never won a college game
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BREAKING NEWS: LeBron James has opted out of his contract with the lakers and has enrolled in the university of Akron for a semester.
@@danielajayi894 cap
@Ken Managbanag Ik u did not just straight up lie 🤣
@@danielajayi894 i thought he wanted to play with his son
Hey-o. I admittedly started watching your content because of your Tim Duncan GOAT case vid and enjoyed it initially because i'm a lifelong spurs fan but then i went through every vid you've posted and have found every single one as engaging and entertaining as i did the first. You make passionate but earnest arguments are objective yet not shedding your earnest love for the game. Loving your legends series and i hope for an episode covering Hakeem. Hakeem's incredible abilities as a player, character and legend need to be presented by you. Keep up the good work :)
13:36 not to mention the most clutch defensive play of all time
I’d also like to remind everyone that “The Decision” raised over 2 million dollars in charity
Exactly. People still bitch about it when it literally raised money for kids lol
Facts.
@@Ratchetface didn’t quit on his team? Maybe if the team gave him some help he wouldn’t have to leave. You don’t start with the reaction you have to start with the problem
@Marcus Carpenter 😂 ur goat didn’t even go #1 when yo go to the first pick u go to the worst team in the league
@Marcus Carpenter now wt u can say is lebron can win with multiple ppl can u say Jordan can win without Scottie. I can say Kobe can win without shaq. And plus Jordan can’t even go to the finals without another star dude was getting swept never had a winning season without Scottie
What a fantastic conclusion to my favorite series on TH-cam. I can't even imagine how many times I've gone back and re-watched the other episodes just waiting for this one to drop. Before Making the Case, I'd never have thought to include Tim Duncan in the GOAT conversation. It never occurred to me that Larry Bird was the embodiment of what people mean when they say "intangibles." I never considered that a quiet competitor like Kareem and an iconic, flashy star like Magic could have a claim to the same throne. Or that Bill Russell, who I only knew as the guy with 11 rings, could represent what it means to play team basketball. What surprised me most was when I found myself most convinced that Wilt Chamberlain, who I once saw as overrated and stat-obsessed, was the greatest to ever do it. Or, that Michael Jordan's case, probably the strongest and most well-accepted out there, left me the least convinced, which is a testament to the quality of this series. And now this: a finale fitting for a journey seven months in the making. Clayton, you magnificent man, I can't wait to see what you do next.
this comment is so well-written, enjoyed reading it lol hope he has a great future in sports writing
Wow this was a good comment
Great comment for one of the greatest things i've ever watched concerning basketball
The series is amazing, but it is clear to me that he didn't put much effort when doing the MJ video. All the other videos have a stronger narrative which makes sense as he's trying to convince people that there`s a debate where there's not haha
The Jordan case was the weakest because he was trying to set up the Lebron case. Most of the Jordan case was just passively aggressively tearing him down pretending he's only "responding to common criticisms". He put very little effort into it. He's young though so he's likely a victim of recency bias. Probably legitimately wants Lebron to be the GOAT so MJ lives rent free in his head because he knows MJ's case is stronger.
"Lebron had to form a super team!"
...mj HAD the super team... mj had a HOF coach. Mj had the highest recorded team ELO rating in all of NBA history. The bulls had a higher rating than the KD/Curry warriors did. Imagine that. Every time mj won he had a team BETTER than the warriors with KD.
You should really remake this video cuz lebrons case after the past 2-3 years since this video has gotten sooooo much better
“He’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest.” Damn man. This is some incredible work
that doesn’t rlly mean much
HyTz Vorkkz it’s saying nobody stronger then him can out move him, and nobody faster then him can out power him. Means a lot considering his speed and strength are relatively insane. How can you beat that?
This is my new favorite quote
HaveADeath because basically all small forwards are faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest
@@forkii4122 That's not true, Look at KD strength wise
LeBron is so great that his only flaw is that he’s not perfect
True, but then he gets the 'flawed hero who failed' redemptive arc, by overcoming that past and succeeding.
and he cant win without super teams
@@nox1ck589 he can't win alone against super teams*
@@mambaforever9593 okay and? You acting like all the other all time greats didnt need help.
@@aaron2nice_ nah the guy i replied to was saying some bs, so i corrected him. Of course he needs help when almost every team he played against in the finals is an alltime great team
Seeing this in 2023 afte Bron broke the scoring record is truly amazing, there was a case to why he his the goat long before he won a chip in LA and broke Kareem record, truly legandary.
the ending gave me goosebumps fr
nobody could've put it in a better way
better than any documentary
Clayton, let me tell you something, I hope when LeBron retires you come back to this video and remake it. I personally believe with the steam the Lakers have right now he’s got one more ring for sure coming his way. With that ring it’ll add more fuel to flame that is his legacy. This is about as passionate of a video I’ve ever seen. The arguments made were fair and put out with context. I can appreciate the superb writing you had in the script and I couldn’t describe LeBron in a better way: “Faster than the Strongest but Stronger than the Fastest.” Poetry man, keep up the good work.
shaq woulda ended lebron
Fleece & Runn if he could stay in front on defense maybe
True... But wilt was stronger than the strongest and faster than the fastest... LeBron probably the greater basketball player though
Jamie Walker yeah if wilt could develop a decent shit he would be the goat undoubtedly
@Dhdhdh sksj true but wilt was the greatest athlete of all time and Shaq was "just" the most dominant center of his era
The last couple minutes of this video were especially powerful. You got me tearin up
Lol I thought I was the only one
Damn me too lol definitely had me convinced
crazy how well made this video is
You tear up when he went to LA?
A collab between you and Joe Vincent might break the internet with whatever documentary topic y’all choose. Thanks for the great content!
Great video, I had to subscribe on the strength of that well put together case. Dude even picked up another ring sense this was made.
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That ending was cathartic, as a Warriors fan I could feel that pain of him taking away our greatest season of all time, as well as the glory of brining the Land a title.
I personally think mj is the goat but to simply dismiss lebron and not be willing to discuss the possibility of lebron being the goat is so childish.
Totally agree. I hate both sides of the argument. Bronsexuals and Jordansexuals alike. Neither side can think maturely. Bronsexuals keep making shallow excuses, while Jordansexuals keep making "arguments" that make them look really insecure.
Lebron is old enough that guys in the league now should be saying they watched him growing up. Instead they say they watched Kobe. Because all he does is cry. I don't care what he's done in basketball, how he's endangered first responders by promoting anti-police narratives makes him an eternal loser. I used to think he was at least a better person than MJ, but now we can all see that he is just a professional crybaby.
@@derekb2314 So much unnecessary hate.
@@neutralgirl8997 Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
My GOAT is Kareem, I am a lkaers fan, And LeBron will need another ring or MVP to be My GOAT, cuz ring 4 is locked up
str8 banger of a video, the conclusion almost got me choked up, incredible.
This was before the all time scoring record
I love how u don’t talk about the same points that every body brings up when talking about the goat debate for all of these players. Very creative way of a conversation
the last 5 min will have you feeling like a kid outside imagining he’s got one shot to win the championship
Born in Chicago, Illinois grew up in Florida, but obviously huge MJ fan. I remember being in middle school when Lebron came into the league. Like a lot of other players he was already being compared to MJ from the start, which has always been kind of annoying like every new player for 20 years being compared to MJ Which is part of the hype and marketing of the players, but still gets old. A lot of ppl though already wanted to dismiss his abilities because of bias and favoritism and similarly annoyed with the comparison. But the same thing was with Kobe and other great players these athletes were in the league for 5/6 years, and sport center/sports analysts/fans are already striking up the conversation “who’s better” or “can they be better” and I believe it’s all fun and games. Really no one should take offense, and having arguments even with a little sh*t talking is part of sports. Some ppl just take it way too serious. That being said Lebron is the best player in this era hands down, gets more hate than probably deserves, a phenomenal athlete with phenomenal career. Him bring Cleveland a ring and beating the Warriors when were (73-9) the best record team ever was an incredible accomplishment. But if we are to say who is the greatest. We have to literally look at everything. I was waiting for the Robert Horry 7 rings. The difference is Robert Horry doesn’t have the mvps and finals mvps to go along rings. Lebron has 4 mvps, 4 rings, 4 finals mvps MJ has 5 mvps, 6 rings and 6 finals mvps. Both INCREDIBLE accomplishments. This doesn’t settle the debate, and I feel like this video just reviewed Lebrons highlights(which was cool) but there was no argument or comparison to acknowledge him being the greatest. MJs double 3 peat in between retiring, his ability to perform in finals, his leadership to push his team to be better, out performing Charles Barkley and Karl Malone in finals when they were leagues mvp, being only player to have season with mvp, fmvp, scoring title, championship, 1st team all defensive selection and doing this 4 times…MJ just has a plethora of accomplishments that is hard for any athlete to top. Both athletes are amazing and Lebron has had an amazing career and I’m looking forward for his son Bronny career. But MJ is the goat Lebron will probably be 2nd but possibly 3rd because Kareem had an amazing career as well, and it’s hard to say between Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, Larry and Magic
- Facts ✅
your welcome too all my cook outs 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿💪🏿💯 great video...i never comment this is the first
I was a LeBron hater as a kid, partially because I got tired of him, partially because I was a Kobe Bryant fan growing up, but it becomes absolutely impossible to ignore that consistent level of greatness.
So, full disclosure here.
I normally don’t entertain a lot of “Lebron is the GOAT” arguments.
I roll my eyes at a TON of what Shannon Sharpe says about the guy.
However, this video series has garnered a ton of respect with me. It’s one of the few that seems to take a truly fact based, objective, well researched, approach to who is “the GOAT”.
Because of that, I watched this video open minded.
Clayton, honestly, you have made me reconsider my stance on Lebron.
I don’t know that I’d say he definitely WAS the greatest ever, but you showed me that he certainly deserves to be in the conversation.
This series is just awesome for how mind opening it is to a topic that most of us don’t really think deeply about.
I agree with you on that...
The creator of this did an outstanding job...
What’s good to know is you aren’t too late to be able appreciate him live! I’d say he’s got Atleast 3 upper echelon years left. Maybe by the end, he will eventually change your mind fully
I appreciate your open-mindedness dude. Fans should be more like you. I used to be a LeBron hater as well, because of the "Decision". But once I actually looked at the facts and became open-minded, I realized that LeBron actually can be the GOAT. He has accomplished significantly harder things than Jordan did. Simply going up against all-time great dynasties in 7 finals (SEVEN!!!) was something Jordan has never done in his career. Jordan has not even faced a single all-time great dynasty in his prime.
@@davebuilds7261 I doubt it lol.. thier are too many things that still put Jordan over lebron... I have always thought even from my childhood watching Jordan that the player that would take his throne would be a Scottie Pippen type player which lebron is... and I thought he was going to be the one to take Jordan down.. but he has to many missed opportunities for me and many others to crown him... ESPECIALLY with the talent he played with in Miami and Cleveland the 2and time around
Vernon Herbert you have to be kidding me. I guess you didn’t watch the video. Lebron is not a pippen type of player, in Miami the only missed opportunity was Dallas. In 2014 wade averaged 12 ppg and bosh averaged 15 ppg, ehhh right? Then in Cleveland lebron only had one year where he had both kyrie and love.. guess what, they won. Soo you had a baseless comment about lebron being like pippen, and then an inaccurate presentation of what lebron had in Miami and his second tenure in Cleveland. Wanna try again? I’m not saying your wrong because you think jordan is better, I’m saying I think you’re wrong because of your reasoning that you gave me for bron not being as good, is flawed
I come back to this video once and awhile to watch the ending so I can feel something