Primas Marine > Space Marines > Clones >Any Other Soldier if they realy had the time, knowledge and resources to make the perfect soldier they probably would have made something similar to a Space Marine, probably an Ultramarine (read Smurf) and if they realy had time, Primas Marine
clones are expensive and take years to mature, battle droids are cheap and take only minutes to assemble. had the sith not corrupted the war, the separatists would have won
I’m still glad the Kaminoan used Fett as a template instead or another bounty hunter, say Durge or Bossk I don’t want to imagine an army of 8 foot lizards or invincible walls of muscle, I know this would probably be unfair on the separatists but it’s still a terrifying thought
Other options, *Wookies* for Ground troops (not Snubfighter pilots - use a small aboreal species - can Ewoks be good Flyboys?), everyone a heavy weapons specialist (and forklift for logistics). And their long lifespan allows even more speed up of maturation, Wookies become adults at only a slightly slower rate than humans, so increasing by a factor of 4 or 8 and you still have many years of functioning left in them but they reach adulthood fast… Trandosians have the advantage that if one looses an arm or leg they can grow it back - not as unstoppable as Durge, but they have the advantage of *being Canon.* But the best army that would've won that war or any war - often before it started… a skilled *Clawdite shapeshifter.* A force of those trained in Covert Ops, infiltration and assassination would be terrifying. The first the enemy would know about them is that their leadership is either dead or fighting each other, or just unilaterally surrendered.
What made them think that the perfect soldier could be cloned from a bounty hunter? Those 2 professions involve entirely different skill sets and mission statements.
It was his skill really, dooku chose him because 1. He was a mandalorian 2. They were friends and 3. He killed 5 to 10 jedi with his bare hands and that the whole endgame for the army, to kill the jedi
Before disney retconned it, jango fett had won some big bounty hunter competition against some of the best fighters in the galaxy, with the prize being becoming the template for the clone army. Now i don't know what the reasoning for it was. Edited because had said boba instead of jango.
@@theinquisitor3790 well, my take on it, skills are learned so Jango could be the best cook in the galaxy and still be a good candidate for the clobe army, so it could've been Jango's genetics being more ideal for creating a clone army, and if course whatever connections he had to land him the job
Dooku probably thought that whoever killed the Jedi (that the task Jango completed before the others) would be best suited since the clones would have the good genetics to kill Jedi.
"Clone can seem creatively. You will find they are immensely superior to droids. We take great pride in our combat education and training programs. They are totally obedient, taking any order without question. We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host." (Looks at the Clone Army.) (Smirks) "Magificant are they."
@@an0rangutan I'm pretty sure it expanded upon it, because clone or not, each one of them was a human. Free thinking is bound to happen, which was the premise of TCW.
The Jango Fett temple they had left of him was already being stretched far beyond its use near the end of the war. They may have been more focused on staying consistent rather than improving.
@@stormisuedonym4599 Well, it kind of is since every time you replicate DNA, there's a chance of introducing errors, and some of those errors are actually problematic. But not on the scale we're talking about. Even with a few billion clones, that's probably less copies of Fett's DNA than he'd made within his own body over the course of his lifetime, and his ability to check the accuracy of the replication isn't anywhere near that of the Kaminoans.
It would've been sick if the Resistance use small units of Clone Commandos and ARC Troopers against the First Order since a whole Clone army is expensive.
Bruh, stop it. Yes let's just make another clone slave army. Great there whole existence they only know war and get watch there brothers die. I get it clones are cool, but its fucked up making a slave army.
That would have been cool to see. There are Two ways that would work they would have to be new ARC Trooper clones or the original Clone Wars Era ones. The second they would have had to find a way to stop their advanced aging. In Legends there were some ARC Troopers that joined the Rebel Alliance and there were others that had their aging slowed so they could age like a normal human. I don't know if any of these Alliance clones also had their aging slowed but it's always possible. Then in Cannon there is Rex and possibly also Wolf. I think Rex also had his slowed to be able to participate in The Battle of Endor. I think most likely for some to be with the Resistance is for their aging to be slowed. Perhaps even slower than a normal human.
That's totally morally wrong, if the resistance was fighting for the right thing that should never be an option. The republic only did it because 1) The Jedi had fallen from the ideal of a Jedi and 2) They really had no other choice. Plus it doesn't matter anymore becaus All the Jedi killed All the Sith, by making an X-Rey. Thank you Disney.
Sidious would never allow a Super Perfect Clone Soldier. Sidious wanted a human Clone Trooper that was better than a droid, but not powerful enough to be a threat to his rule. Plus, he had plans for after the Clone Wars. Sidious wanted a HUMAN dominated Empire. Alien Clones with super thick skin, and seven arms wouldn't work with his plans.
Can it also be that, as humans are common in the core worlds and the Republic relied on the core worlds, it would have looked bad to have an army of aliens claim to be the good guys? From a PR standpoint.
Makes you wonder how the Spaarti Clones were modified and breed in comparison since they took only a year to get up to the regular Clones ages, or two to three weeks if you use a Ysalamir. Could be a cool idea for a video, especially for those of us who can't get enough of the Clones.
The Spaarti clones weren't trained the Mandolrian War chants and didn't have any formal battle training as opposed to the regular fett clones that were trained in simulations for years.
They weren't designed to be the perfect soldiers, they were designed to be the perfect *Jedi Killer.* Their soldiering was a cover for that… That's why Jengo was the template. As for choosing Humans, perhaps Human genetics and psychology were far better understood than with most other species due to Human ubiquitousness, many other more powerful individuals from other species weren't as well researched. A Wookie or a Trandosian would be a far more effective ground trooper (perhaps use a different small agile species for pilots - a Wookie in a Snubfighter?), but the Kamanoians would first have to do decades of genetic research on the species …[that was the cover story, of course it was to transition to a Human Empire]. Still, imagine if they worked out how to Clone a Clawdite that was skilled at shapeshifting - the war could've been stopped at the start by Covert Ops, infiltration and targeted assassinations. Now that would be a nightmare _army of spies._
I believe it is stated in some source (probably EU though) that humans were easier to modify and tamper with genetically, making it easier to control their personalities, independent thinking, cognitive learning ability, etc. Lots of good points in your analysis. Clawdite or Shi'ido clones would be ridiculous, as would Gen'Dai clones, for example, but again the ability to create perfect clones of much more complex beings like those is something that would take more time and resources and would go against the ultimate plan of a human ruled galaxy. It's no accident that Jango was chosen, previously killing 6 Jedi bare handed, he was the perfect human template for Jedi killers, which is what the Clones were always meant to be, especially the 501st.
In fact, the Kaminoans "programmed" quite some other physical advantages too; such as stronger arteries to prevent internal bleedings. The Medstar novels mention different improvements like that.
Yeah temura Morrison he was in aqua man and I think Moana I'm not sure about Moana though I'd love to see him play boba, if he doesn't I'm gonna be pissed and "loose my head"
Big factor with strength, muscle density, you'd make them significantly heavier and would need to adjust their neural sensitivity so they could still utilise human-oriented designs without breaking them. Also more muscle and higher density of them means more energy required and more food your customer has to agree to pay for. And more changes the more possible side mutations which can lead to higher independence which leads to failure.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Unless you have a couple centuries to test it in every possible scenario, which is how we got naturally stable genetics in the first place.
@@samueldimmock694 true but we have not got that time yet or capability. Kamino was lucky in that regard. But DNA is something you got to be careful messing around with though.
something stopping them from making all the clones like the bad batch might have been cost. if the average clone was made far better why would the still cost the same as a normal clone
Kinda funny the generic height for humans is 180cm and above in star wars, when the actual actors from the movies are a fair bit shorter. Temuera Morrison is only 171, for instance.
I gave all of my clone troopers (and other Star Wars troops that were loose) to my neighbor and his highly autistic son. As a person on the spectrum, I thought to pay it forward. They watched all the clone shows and played with them all weekend. One of the truly "good things I've done. Just having the opportunity to make someone else that happy was super cool.
Really puts in the perspective just how inhumane the longnecks were. With their complete lack of scruples, they sealed the fate of the entire galaxy. Then they took that legacy to their watery graves. Watching them get genocided by Rampart was pretty satisfying.
Hell yeah, Clone Trooper with Cybernetic enhancements could be epic beast. Squad of 2 cyborgs, 1 super solider, superbattle droid/ T-800 Army of Doids & Cyborgs would reck any attacking force
@@micahholt9895 Possibly, but I was thinking of something more along the lines of Clones purposefully cyberized throughout the maturation process seamlessly melding their organic and synthetic components. Ironically, this actually could have decreased the cost of production because cybernetic technology was far further along in Star Wars then cloning technology.
Hard to say they weren't the perfect soldiers for the war they were fighting. They had jedi for generals, imagine how demanding that would be mentally. They pretty much dominated in strategy and execution throughout the war all the way through order 66. They were kinda perfect.
The kaminoans had to work with a human clone because their cloning catalog didn't have an aggressive species. They fail to in their attempt with the Yinchorri mental component at Plaguies's first choice. And as for the Kaminoans perfect soldier template it was a human Jedi but as you said the customer is always right.
I lean toward the "perfect" clone being hyper specialized. Instead of one template fitting multiple roles, you have multiple templates made to excel at their chosen field. So Jango was the grunt line, we need a pilot line, command line, etc etc. Have some generalized training for attrition purposes but numerous templates while it modulates the production chain would boost performance as well as mitigating the risk of biological attacks.
Good point, though I would say Jango had a pretty good mix of combat ability and command ability, which might make him better for spec ops or battlefield command. Both him and his unaltered clone did pretty well as solo fighters and as leaders of a bunch of Mandalorians. Honestly, if you're going the specialization route, you might not want Jango, because his natural ability, while tremendous, was divided among many different specializations rather than just one.
@@samueldimmock694 I dont believe it is canon anymore but I believe storm troopers used to not only recruit and conscript regular people, they would take the top 10% of the academy and use them to produce clones at different locations across the galaxy as an extra bolster. The clones made by the empire believed they where natural born and it was reinforced with false memories since these were rapid grown clones taking about a year or so to grow. Later Thrawn would get a version allowing for growth in weeks, full grown implanted memories for combat. What the new canon is I am uncertain of honestly.
@@soul1d Thrawn definitely took his top people and cloned them. The empire also used clones until the Kaminoan Uprising, but then they stopped because Spaarti clones weren't as good (they were good enough for Thrawn, but Palpatine had plenty of natural-born soldiers to choose from). And yes, this is not current canon.
I think that because they were very perfectionist. Because they would kill entire batches of clones if they weren’t the exact way they wanted to. But that’s just my opinion.
@@brndonlu9635 the amount of features for each clone would have took so long to grow them and expensive to make them, never mind the more you alter or change or splice DNA the more fragile it becomes and unstable. so highly altered DNA i reckon would very quickly deplete the original stock DNA you have and so if like Jango your original is dead you will struggle to keep the clones coming out.
Defining the perfect soldier is just as impossible as defining the perfect lifeform, as it is entirely based upon its particular situation... assuming you care more about results than methods, that is. But some things that could probably be used to make a clone much more effective overall are: • Telepathy, both limited and hive-mind style. The ability to instantly and silently relay information across your entire line would make coordination effortless, and it would make enemy infiltration essentially impossible. Even the most limited telepathy is gamebreaking, being what made Jedi Battle Meditation so dangerous. • Force sensitivity. I'd say that this is a less effective trait than the telepathy, but having a fully Forceful army would still be powerful beyond having that same army without the Force. The downside to it is that the Force has a warping effect upon its users, and you'd have to be _extremely_ careful to make sure that your entire army remained disciplined and unified instead of slipping on the downward spiral into Sith, but it would be an army powerful beyond compare if you could manage to keep them centered and outside the sway of the Dark or Light. • Lack of physical needs. The most dangerous thing on a battlefield isn't the enemy, it's hunger, thirst, and disease. If you could arrange an army that simply didn't need to eat, drink, sleep, breathe, or need medical assistance, then you'd have already won almost any siege imaginable, and would only need to continually expand your forces and defenses to conquer everything. • Immunity to injury. Obviously, skin that reflects blaster bolts would be nice, assuming the ricochet doesn't damage any valuable equipment (or bystanders, I suppose), but a simple immunity to harm from them would be better if you couldn't be assured of that. But beyond blasters, you have to deal with injuries from slugthrowers, from falls and slips, from heat or cold, from toxins in the environment, from their own bodies reacting to the stresses they are put under. Being entirely immune to these, or being able to instantly heal or repair from them, would be a direct upgrade to a human clone. • Permanent utility. Having clones that simply stop aging would be a direct upgrade to the limited lifespan of a Jango clone. A possible further upgrade would be ones that actually become continually stronger as they live without an age limit, but this would have the downside of making them non-uniform and requiring ever greater resource expenditure for a given clone as it ages, and the strength will eventually become superfluous to any potential requirements, so mere agelessness would be more than sufficient. • Simplified production. Having to be grown for a decade on Kamino was a major issue for the GAR. It would have been much better if they could have been produced faster and on every planet available, letting them quickly create defensive garrisons on the fly and letting all worlds possible contribute without sacrificing quality. • Selective obedience, initiative, and survival instincts. Having a soldier without survival instincts or initiative but who is perfectly obedient makes for a very simple and orderly army that never balks at casualties or questions orders, making them extremely effective for actually controling and maintaining territory and for using attritional tactics or strategies, but they'll always be only as effective as the omniscience of their commander and his ability to micromanage them. Having independence and initiative allows them to react to changing situations and new developments, to better preserve force strength when sacrifices ate not actually necessary, and allows them to relieve some of the pressures of command, but also carries the risk of them acting against the greater plan or making incorrect judgements toward caution or excessive agression. Having them all know the entirety of the plan and their place in it, and be perfectly on board with it, would be ideal in ideal circumstances. In a more realistic scenario, simply having the ability to override survival instincts or initiative based when most practical would be more feasible. So, looking at these improvements, I've come to the conclusion that the perfect clone army would consist of nuclear-powered droids, equipped with modular Force-sensitive wetware processors, built-in repair tech, and ample replacement part manufacturing equipment, all networked together and coordinated via some sort of distributed processing function and slaved to the commander via some sort of mind impulse unit. Wait a minute, did I just reinvent the Borg for Star Wars?
I think it’s was said along time ago that the kaminoans didn’t have that much control over the dna like that I think it was like a controlled burn or like a controlled crash they had only a wide range of control look at 99 he was a mistake and others like him or worse were put to sleep like a cat or dog when something went wrong they trail and erred it but in the end that would get a sequence of the dna and make it a sub template and make so many this so many that but in the end they still had to make new products to make money from the republic can’t keep charging premium prices for the same stuff after while had to make new model
I feel like the clones should have been represented more as being better soldiers than droids. The clone wars just kinda shows them getting slaughtered (most of the time) until a jedi has to come ‘save’ them. Don’t get me wrong they are definitely superior, but i just feel they needed to be represented a little more.
Honestly I think tech is the perfect clone, he’s just as physically capable as the rest of the clones, if not more so being able to carry echo on his back at a vertical, But also mentally capable of producing some outrageous plans they always seem to work in their favor, as well as having a knack for repairing just about anything and a good memory to store vital mission information
I'm not sure how well he'd work in a traditional command structure. Soldiers are supposed to follow orders without question, and he seems too smart and creative for that. As a commander or a spec ops trooper, definitely.
Now that I think about it, the clones and the Genome Soldiers from MGS1 share a lot of similarities, although their premise isn’t particularly unique. Uniform, enhanced soldiers based on the DNA of a legendary mercenary but purposefully hindered as not to be as problematic as their rebellious “fathers.”
Well..they also failed, by not having the clones, STOP, hyper fast aging, once at the physical prime, and start aging at a normal pace. They would probably not have the same "healing factor", but, that also means they're not senior citizens "age", in only 1/4 of the time...ready for retirement at age 25, while other humans around them, would have to wait until they were in their 70s-&-80s for that.
If they can control aging, they should make the clones just stop aging completely at their physical prime. Sure, DNA replication would eat away at the telomeres, but that takes a long time, and if you're worried about that, just make them a bit longer.
@@samueldimmock694 Their control seemed limited, but, you seem to be thinking along the lines that I am. However..if they were able to stop the aging process altogether..it would result in a form of immortality..and the Emperor, wouldn't want his disposable army, living longer than his plans for them..and especially longer than himself for that matter.
@@scottbraun2457 Both good points. It also seemed like they were only beginning to understand and control the aging process when they made the clones, so I wonder what they could have accomplished if they hadn't rebelled against Palpatine.
@@samueldimmock694 I am enjoying this contact. I a good and strange idea for a FAN-FICTION, comes to mind; a secretly made batch..with a short maturation..but lengthly lifespan..that their creators sneak off with..hiding on a marginally "M-CLASS", extra thickly forested planet... Sadly, that's all that's hitting me in my creativity..but, maybe it's enough for you to run..or maybe someone you trust with the project. I hope you enjoyed this as much as I have. Thank you. Good night.
@@scottbraun2457 We also know that they made two working clones of a Jedi, both of whom were Force-sensitive. Maybe Syfo-Dias wasn't as big a fool as we thought, and commissioned a few dozen working Force-sensitive clones trained by the best of the Jedi Sentinels as a failsafe in case the normal clone army wasn't enough to save the Jedi and the Republic. After all, the Jedi Order has been destroyed before, and risen from the ashes; why not make that the plan? These sentinels were a bit wary of Luke's New Jedi Order, seeing it as a dangerous experiment in relaxing the rules and placing a greater responsibility on each individual member, so they stayed hidden until the Darth Caedus crisis convinced them that the Order was doomed. When they learned about Darth Krayt, and that the main Jedi Order was doing very little to stop him, they decided that their job wasn't over yet. Most of the first generation was probably dead by the time the New Jedi Order fell and the One Sith were destroyed, but the second and third generations were going strong. Some of them emerged from the shadows, re-founding the Jedi Order; but they had learned well the lessons of the Rule of Two Sith, and some of them continued to operate from the shadows, ensuring the Sith would never again threaten the galaxy. That what you were looking for? Either way, thank you. Good morning.
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Primas Marine > Space Marines > Clones >Any Other Soldier
if they realy had the time, knowledge and resources to make the perfect soldier they probably would have made something similar to a Space Marine, probably an Ultramarine (read Smurf) and if they realy had time, Primas Marine
These guys can't hit targets in front of them and they have almost no BvR technology or doctrine.
Technically during this time the Jedi were soldiers too
clones are expensive and take years to mature, battle droids are cheap and take only minutes to assemble. had the sith not corrupted the war, the separatists would have won
Cadians and Catachans could beat clones any day
Of course, they wanted the clones to be like general grievous but with two extra legs!
Every separatist gangster until the clones start climbing on the ceiling
Ryaquaza 1 imagine seeing that 😂
"My legs have doubled since the last time we met"
If the perfect clone is the perfect soldier, then the perfect clone is a completely obedient copy of the master chief
I’m not wrong
I completely agree, a spartan would kick a clones ass any day.
Hey wait your a clone ...hmmmmm I can alter your universe
@Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Complete Soundtrack rex is still not Sierra 117
@@brandonhall7811 Seems like an unfair comparison, the average clone is a grunt. Spartans are ridiculously special even in their own army.
Cloning isn't a jenga tower, it's a Jango tower.
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What he said ^
I have the same opinion ^
@@gibbous_silver lol
TheNovaWolfe PS4 Gaming bet she never said it to you
Clones rule!!!!
“Salutes” Heil Fett!
BAL KOTE! DARASUUM KOTE!
Go clones!
*jatnese be te jatnese*
Battle Droids Rule.
Nobody:
The thumbnail: You fool! I've been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku!
I will deal with this Jedi scum myself!
Geetsly's
Your move.
@@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160 attack, Kenobi!
I’m still glad the Kaminoan used Fett as a template instead or another bounty hunter, say Durge or Bossk
I don’t want to imagine an army of 8 foot lizards or invincible walls of muscle, I know this would probably be unfair on the separatists but it’s still a terrifying thought
Millions of Durges... Episode II: Attack of the Durge
Other options, *Wookies* for Ground troops (not Snubfighter pilots - use a small aboreal species - can Ewoks be good Flyboys?), everyone a heavy weapons specialist (and forklift for logistics). And their long lifespan allows even more speed up of maturation, Wookies become adults at only a slightly slower rate than humans, so increasing by a factor of 4 or 8 and you still have many years of functioning left in them but they reach adulthood fast…
Trandosians have the advantage that if one looses an arm or leg they can grow it back - not as unstoppable as Durge, but they have the advantage of *being Canon.*
But the best army that would've won that war or any war - often before it started… a skilled *Clawdite shapeshifter.*
A force of those trained in Covert Ops, infiltration and assassination would be terrifying.
The first the enemy would know about them is that their leadership is either dead or fighting each other, or just unilaterally surrendered.
@@casbot71 an army of goatal would have been terrible for the jedi, as their force sensitivity would have made them brutal jedi killing machines.
Thats your human bias showing aha
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What made them think that the perfect soldier could be cloned from a bounty hunter? Those 2 professions involve entirely different skill sets and mission statements.
It was his skill really, dooku chose him because 1. He was a mandalorian 2. They were friends and 3. He killed 5 to 10 jedi with his bare hands and that the whole endgame for the army, to kill the jedi
Before disney retconned it, jango fett had won some big bounty hunter competition against some of the best fighters in the galaxy, with the prize being becoming the template for the clone army. Now i don't know what the reasoning for it was. Edited because had said boba instead of jango.
@@libertinarey Jango Fett. Boba was the unaltered clone that Jango viewed as a son.
@@theinquisitor3790 well, my take on it, skills are learned so Jango could be the best cook in the galaxy and still be a good candidate for the clobe army, so it could've been Jango's genetics being more ideal for creating a clone army, and if course whatever connections he had to land him the job
Dooku probably thought that whoever killed the Jedi (that the task Jango completed before the others) would be best suited since the clones would have the good genetics to kill Jedi.
"Clone can seem creatively. You will find they are immensely superior to droids. We take great pride in our combat education and training programs. They are totally obedient, taking any order without question. We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host."
(Looks at the Clone Army.)
(Smirks) "Magificant are they."
And then TCW completely shit on that premise, ignoring the canonicity of the movies.
@@an0rangutan I'm pretty sure it expanded upon it, because clone or not, each one of them was a human. Free thinking is bound to happen, which was the premise of TCW.
Droids have the logistics advantage
The droid army would have easily won by just throwing, I don't know, 100 droids per clone
The Jango Fett temple they had left of him was already being stretched far beyond its use near the end of the war. They may have been more focused on staying consistent rather than improving.
That's... not how genes work.
@@stormisuedonym4599 Well, it kind of is since every time you replicate DNA, there's a chance of introducing errors, and some of those errors are actually problematic. But not on the scale we're talking about. Even with a few billion clones, that's probably less copies of Fett's DNA than he'd made within his own body over the course of his lifetime, and his ability to check the accuracy of the replication isn't anywhere near that of the Kaminoans.
It would've been sick if the Resistance use small units of Clone Commandos and ARC Troopers against the First Order since a whole Clone army is expensive.
Well the Kaminoans did breed clones to rebel against the empire in Legends
@@geetslys Yeah but those clones were wiped out by Boba and the 501st.
Bruh, stop it. Yes let's just make another clone slave army. Great there whole existence they only know war and get watch there brothers die. I get it clones are cool, but its fucked up making a slave army.
That would have been cool to see. There are Two ways that would work they would have to be new ARC Trooper clones or the original Clone Wars Era ones. The second they would have had to find a way to stop their advanced aging. In Legends there were some ARC Troopers that joined the Rebel Alliance and there were others that had their aging slowed so they could age like a normal human. I don't know if any of these Alliance clones also had their aging slowed but it's always possible. Then in Cannon there is Rex and possibly also Wolf. I think Rex also had his slowed to be able to participate in The Battle of Endor. I think most likely for some to be with the Resistance is for their aging to be slowed. Perhaps even slower than a normal human.
That's totally morally wrong, if the resistance was fighting for the right thing that should never be an option. The republic only did it because 1) The Jedi had fallen from the ideal of a Jedi and 2) They really had no other choice.
Plus it doesn't matter anymore becaus All the Jedi killed All the Sith, by making an X-Rey. Thank you Disney.
Sidious would never allow a Super Perfect Clone Soldier. Sidious wanted a human Clone Trooper that was better than a droid, but not powerful enough to be a threat to his rule. Plus, he had plans for after the Clone Wars. Sidious wanted a HUMAN dominated Empire. Alien Clones with super thick skin, and seven arms wouldn't work with his plans.
Can it also be that, as humans are common in the core worlds and the Republic relied on the core worlds, it would have looked bad to have an army of aliens claim to be the good guys? From a PR standpoint.
Makes you wonder how the Spaarti Clones were modified and breed in comparison since they took only a year to get up to the regular Clones ages, or two to three weeks if you use a Ysalamir.
Could be a cool idea for a video, especially for those of us who can't get enough of the Clones.
They where basically carbon copy of the Kamino clones even using different DNA.
Spaarti clones are modified to age to maturity in 1 year after intial creation.
They arent trained but programed with flash learning.
The Spaarti clones weren't trained the Mandolrian War chants and didn't have any formal battle training as opposed to the regular fett clones that were trained in simulations for years.
They weren't designed to be the perfect soldiers, they were designed to be the perfect *Jedi Killer.*
Their soldiering was a cover for that…
That's why Jengo was the template.
As for choosing Humans, perhaps Human genetics and psychology were far better understood than with most other species due to Human ubiquitousness, many other more powerful individuals from other species weren't as well researched.
A Wookie or a Trandosian would be a far more effective ground trooper (perhaps use a different small agile species for pilots - a Wookie in a Snubfighter?), but the Kamanoians would first have to do decades of genetic research on the species …[that was the cover story, of course it was to transition to a Human Empire].
Still, imagine if they worked out how to Clone a Clawdite that was skilled at shapeshifting - the war could've been stopped at the start by Covert Ops, infiltration and targeted assassinations.
Now that would be a nightmare _army of spies._
I believe it is stated in some source (probably EU though) that humans were easier to modify and tamper with genetically, making it easier to control their personalities, independent thinking, cognitive learning ability, etc.
Lots of good points in your analysis. Clawdite or Shi'ido clones would be ridiculous, as would Gen'Dai clones, for example, but again the ability to create perfect clones of much more complex beings like those is something that would take more time and resources and would go against the ultimate plan of a human ruled galaxy.
It's no accident that Jango was chosen, previously killing 6 Jedi bare handed, he was the perfect human template for Jedi killers, which is what the Clones were always meant to be, especially the 501st.
On Earth, Humans are the most adaptable species in the world, living in every known climate on Earth.
I swear the intro varies a little bit each time
Omg I wanted to say it, too
It’s because the planets move every second
We’ll never know..
I love the og battlefront loading screens as the opening, it’s great
Captain Fordo, the ultimate clone!
Right behind 99*
99 proved what it meant to be a soldier.
4:03 is that clone taking a selfie in the middle of a battle..? This is why you can’t send tweens in battle..
In fact, the Kaminoans "programmed" quite some other physical advantages too; such as stronger arteries to prevent internal bleedings. The Medstar novels mention different improvements like that.
You missed a perfect opportunity to say Jengo tower.
"A 6-foot-tall Kiwi dude."
Do you write your scripts? Because this is some genius s***!
I've seen the guy playing Jango Fett in a low budget action movie. He was pretty good as the classic tough cop, but the story wasn't much.
He plays in some Netflix movies to, he’s a great actor I hate that dice didn’t use his voice for clones in battlefront 2
Yeah temura Morrison he was in aqua man and I think Moana I'm not sure about Moana though I'd love to see him play boba, if he doesn't I'm gonna be pissed and "loose my head"
*[Cries in null class]*
As a wise clone once said
"Good soldiers follow orders" - clone With a damaged inhibitor chip
“The customer is always right.” Not when it’s a Karen.
Nice vid tho
Big factor with strength, muscle density, you'd make them significantly heavier and would need to adjust their neural sensitivity so they could still utilise human-oriented designs without breaking them. Also more muscle and higher density of them means more energy required and more food your customer has to agree to pay for. And more changes the more possible side mutations which can lead to higher independence which leads to failure.
the more you play around with DNA and mix it the more it becomes less stable.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Unless you have a couple centuries to test it in every possible scenario, which is how we got naturally stable genetics in the first place.
@@samueldimmock694 true but we have not got that time yet or capability. Kamino was lucky in that regard.
But DNA is something you got to be careful messing around with though.
Nic Cage walks the fine line of Lighty and Dark. He's a little crazy, a little jazzed, but walks that razors edge.
The "Jedi Master Nicholas Cage" thing caught me off guard XD
To make a truly perfect clone the Kaminoans might as well have been manufacturing droids! Great video!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The clones are already perfect to me.
*sees the thumbnail* this is beautiful. I’ve looked at this for 12 hours
This explains the sharpening of certain traits at the expense of others. Landing a blaster hit for example.
"Dorito-stained fingertips" I dont even eat them but I thought that was hilarious how you snuck that in there @Geetsly's
something stopping them from making all the clones like the bad batch might have been cost. if the average clone was made far better why would the still cost the same as a normal clone
Wookie's are the perfect template, they're strong, smart, and extremely loyal
300 spartan III's vs the 501st at the Jedi Temple siege
Kinda funny the generic height for humans is 180cm and above in star wars, when the actual actors from the movies are a fair bit shorter. Temuera Morrison is only 171, for instance.
Geetsley’s: Kaminoans
Captions: Covenant
Kaminoans are the Covenant!!!
Great video man! Would’ve liked a pop filter or some more compression on that mic tho, lots of POPS on the pbq’s
I gave all of my clone troopers (and other Star Wars troops that were loose) to my neighbor and his highly autistic son. As a person on the spectrum, I thought to pay it forward.
They watched all the clone shows and played with them all weekend.
One of the truly "good things I've done.
Just having the opportunity to make someone else that happy was super cool.
Darman’s son venku skirata. When the child was born they wanted to make a force sensitive clone
I think they originally wanted a jedi, not some bounty hunter, but dooku realised the danger of that clone army.
Clone wars is the best ara I swearrrrerr
Lama su: "the skill level and efficiency of clones is far greater than that of a recruited body."
This thumbnail is everything
8:38 Didn't knew Sidious swung that way.
Battle droids are the more humanitarian option. The B-1 droids are my favorite star wars faction lol
Give them the force.
Love your vids Geetsly keep it up.
Love it
Me: Hello there
The thumbnail: General Kenobi
You could have also mentioned that the Kaminoans did what they felt as correcting the mistake in the Null with the Alpha ARC's.
I feel that I’m a Geetsly’s Usual now. Yay! (Kiwi Gang.)
I thought Geetsly was an Aussie.
This was a fascinating video. Even if you dont like star wars it is great science fiction. .
Really puts in the perspective just how inhumane the longnecks were. With their complete lack of scruples, they sealed the fate of the entire galaxy. Then they took that legacy to their watery graves.
Watching them get genocided by Rampart was pretty satisfying.
Geetslys: We didn’t get Our dorito stained fingertips on the nal class recon commandos
Me: *im in this video and I don’t like it*
Man, that Nicholas Cage thing had me looking at what I was smoking and wondering what was in it.
An Null-class Clone with the gene mods each clone in Bad Batch had. That’s my ideal perfect clone.
If they wanted was perfection, all they needed was 25 cents...
Underated comment 😂
Clone Cyborgs, anyone?
Echo?
Hell yeah, Clone Trooper with Cybernetic enhancements could be epic beast. Squad of 2 cyborgs, 1 super solider, superbattle droid/ T-800 Army of Doids & Cyborgs would reck any attacking force
@@micahholt9895 Possibly, but I was thinking of something more along the lines of Clones purposefully cyberized throughout the maturation process seamlessly melding their organic and synthetic components. Ironically, this actually could have decreased the cost of production because cybernetic technology was far further along in Star Wars then cloning technology.
Kamino scary bois
In one of our pFRevise videos
Hard to say they weren't the perfect soldiers for the war they were fighting. They had jedi for generals, imagine how demanding that would be mentally. They pretty much dominated in strategy and execution throughout the war all the way through order 66. They were kinda perfect.
Imagine not being able to produce a perfect solider with all that testing
The only perfect individual in the galaxy far, far away is the Senate.
A Jedi or a Sith?!?!? Nicholas Cage is best suited as a Jar-Jar Binks!
would you say, creating the perfect clone was a bit of a "jango" tower?... i'll see myself out
"Good soldiers follow orders."
0:52 I think you meant... “Django-Tower”
CORNBREAD IS PERFECTION
Commander Faie is the only clone that comes to mind as the Kaminoans ideal clone
Jedi Nicolas Cage isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Jedi Nicolas Cage: 9:10
The kaminoans had to work with a human clone because their cloning catalog didn't have an aggressive species. They fail to in their attempt with the Yinchorri mental component at Plaguies's first choice. And as for the Kaminoans perfect soldier template it was a human Jedi but as you said the customer is always right.
The thumbnail is perfect
the thumbnail is the institute logo from fallout 4
I lean toward the "perfect" clone being hyper specialized. Instead of one template fitting multiple roles, you have multiple templates made to excel at their chosen field. So Jango was the grunt line, we need a pilot line, command line, etc etc. Have some generalized training for attrition purposes but numerous templates while it modulates the production chain would boost performance as well as mitigating the risk of biological attacks.
Good point, though I would say Jango had a pretty good mix of combat ability and command ability, which might make him better for spec ops or battlefield command. Both him and his unaltered clone did pretty well as solo fighters and as leaders of a bunch of Mandalorians. Honestly, if you're going the specialization route, you might not want Jango, because his natural ability, while tremendous, was divided among many different specializations rather than just one.
@@samueldimmock694 I dont believe it is canon anymore but I believe storm troopers used to not only recruit and conscript regular people, they would take the top 10% of the academy and use them to produce clones at different locations across the galaxy as an extra bolster. The clones made by the empire believed they where natural born and it was reinforced with false memories since these were rapid grown clones taking about a year or so to grow. Later Thrawn would get a version allowing for growth in weeks, full grown implanted memories for combat. What the new canon is I am uncertain of honestly.
@@soul1d Thrawn definitely took his top people and cloned them. The empire also used clones until the Kaminoan Uprising, but then they stopped because Spaarti clones weren't as good (they were good enough for Thrawn, but Palpatine had plenty of natural-born soldiers to choose from). And yes, this is not current canon.
The kaminoan idea of a perfect clone was unrealistic
Darth Revan Why?
I think that because they were very perfectionist. Because they would kill entire batches of clones if they weren’t the exact way they wanted to. But that’s just my opinion.
@@brndonlu9635 the amount of features for each clone would have took so long to grow them and expensive to make them, never mind the more you alter or change or splice DNA the more fragile it becomes and unstable. so highly altered DNA i reckon would very quickly deplete the original stock DNA you have and so if like Jango your original is dead you will struggle to keep the clones coming out.
I hate kaminoans
Geetsly's yeah, they freaking SUCK. Space racists, the whole lot of them. I’m glad the Empire wiped them all out.
Nicolas Cage is definitely a Jedi
Imagine if the Kaminoans cloned a Jedi like Yoda
FORCE SENSITIVE CLONES WITH LIGHTSABERS
"Lung Capacity" *BIGGEST FUCKING INHALE TO EVER GRACE THE INTERNET*
I appreciate the physical pun
should probably watch the bass on that mic of yours. I can practically hear the spittle on every "p".
Nicolas Cage would so be a Jedi! Lol
You can’t perfect what already perfect
I think the main reason sidious chose Jango Fett was because of what an adept Jedi killer he was.
How different would the clone army be if it was based on montross's own template and received training from him
Clones are my favourite part of star wars
Defining the perfect soldier is just as impossible as defining the perfect lifeform, as it is entirely based upon its particular situation... assuming you care more about results than methods, that is. But some things that could probably be used to make a clone much more effective overall are:
• Telepathy, both limited and hive-mind style. The ability to instantly and silently relay information across your entire line would make coordination effortless, and it would make enemy infiltration essentially impossible. Even the most limited telepathy is gamebreaking, being what made Jedi Battle Meditation so dangerous.
• Force sensitivity. I'd say that this is a less effective trait than the telepathy, but having a fully Forceful army would still be powerful beyond having that same army without the Force. The downside to it is that the Force has a warping effect upon its users, and you'd have to be _extremely_ careful to make sure that your entire army remained disciplined and unified instead of slipping on the downward spiral into Sith, but it would be an army powerful beyond compare if you could manage to keep them centered and outside the sway of the Dark or Light.
• Lack of physical needs. The most dangerous thing on a battlefield isn't the enemy, it's hunger, thirst, and disease. If you could arrange an army that simply didn't need to eat, drink, sleep, breathe, or need medical assistance, then you'd have already won almost any siege imaginable, and would only need to continually expand your forces and defenses to conquer everything.
• Immunity to injury. Obviously, skin that reflects blaster bolts would be nice, assuming the ricochet doesn't damage any valuable equipment (or bystanders, I suppose), but a simple immunity to harm from them would be better if you couldn't be assured of that. But beyond blasters, you have to deal with injuries from slugthrowers, from falls and slips, from heat or cold, from toxins in the environment, from their own bodies reacting to the stresses they are put under. Being entirely immune to these, or being able to instantly heal or repair from them, would be a direct upgrade to a human clone.
• Permanent utility. Having clones that simply stop aging would be a direct upgrade to the limited lifespan of a Jango clone. A possible further upgrade would be ones that actually become continually stronger as they live without an age limit, but this would have the downside of making them non-uniform and requiring ever greater resource expenditure for a given clone as it ages, and the strength will eventually become superfluous to any potential requirements, so mere agelessness would be more than sufficient.
• Simplified production. Having to be grown for a decade on Kamino was a major issue for the GAR. It would have been much better if they could have been produced faster and on every planet available, letting them quickly create defensive garrisons on the fly and letting all worlds possible contribute without sacrificing quality.
• Selective obedience, initiative, and survival instincts. Having a soldier without survival instincts or initiative but who is perfectly obedient makes for a very simple and orderly army that never balks at casualties or questions orders, making them extremely effective for actually controling and maintaining territory and for using attritional tactics or strategies, but they'll always be only as effective as the omniscience of their commander and his ability to micromanage them. Having independence and initiative allows them to react to changing situations and new developments, to better preserve force strength when sacrifices ate not actually necessary, and allows them to relieve some of the pressures of command, but also carries the risk of them acting against the greater plan or making incorrect judgements toward caution or excessive agression. Having them all know the entirety of the plan and their place in it, and be perfectly on board with it, would be ideal in ideal circumstances. In a more realistic scenario, simply having the ability to override survival instincts or initiative based when most practical would be more feasible.
So, looking at these improvements, I've come to the conclusion that the perfect clone army would consist of nuclear-powered droids, equipped with modular Force-sensitive wetware processors, built-in repair tech, and ample replacement part manufacturing equipment, all networked together and coordinated via some sort of distributed processing function and slaved to the commander via some sort of mind impulse unit.
Wait a minute, did I just reinvent the Borg for Star Wars?
Imagine if bossk was picked up as template
The 11 dislikes are clones that were terminated
Nicolas Cage is better suited to be a Sith because no Jedi can tap in emotions so hard to make those Cage faces
I have a suggestion, why did the empire phase out the laat?
I think it’s was said along time ago that the kaminoans didn’t have that much control over the dna like that I think it was like a controlled burn or like a controlled crash they had only a wide range of control look at 99 he was a mistake and others like him or worse were put to sleep like a cat or dog when something went wrong they trail and erred it but in the end that would get a sequence of the dna and make it a sub template and make so many this so many that but in the end they still had to make new products to make money from the republic can’t keep charging premium prices for the same stuff after while had to make new model
Clanka forever!!!
I feel like the clones should have been represented more as being better soldiers than droids. The clone wars just kinda shows them getting slaughtered (most of the time) until a jedi has to come ‘save’ them. Don’t get me wrong they are definitely superior, but i just feel they needed to be represented a little more.
Honestly I think tech is the perfect clone, he’s just as physically capable as the rest of the clones, if not more so being able to carry echo on his back at a vertical, But also mentally capable of producing some outrageous plans they always seem to work in their favor, as well as having a knack for repairing just about anything and a good memory to store vital mission information
I'm not sure how well he'd work in a traditional command structure. Soldiers are supposed to follow orders without question, and he seems too smart and creative for that. As a commander or a spec ops trooper, definitely.
@@samueldimmock694 respec
It does change
Now that I think about it, the clones and the Genome Soldiers from MGS1 share a lot of similarities, although their premise isn’t particularly unique. Uniform, enhanced soldiers based on the DNA of a legendary mercenary but purposefully hindered as not to be as problematic as their rebellious “fathers.”
Nicholas cage is suited to be a gray Jedi
6ft, 6 inches, 6 figures
Wait, I am a defect clone
Well..they also failed, by not having the clones, STOP, hyper fast aging, once at the physical prime, and start aging at a normal pace. They would probably not have the same "healing factor", but, that also means they're not senior citizens "age", in only 1/4 of the time...ready for retirement at age 25, while other humans around them, would have to wait until they were in their 70s-&-80s for that.
If they can control aging, they should make the clones just stop aging completely at their physical prime. Sure, DNA replication would eat away at the telomeres, but that takes a long time, and if you're worried about that, just make them a bit longer.
@@samueldimmock694 Their control seemed limited, but, you seem to be thinking along the lines that I am. However..if they were able to stop the aging process altogether..it would result in a form of immortality..and the Emperor, wouldn't want his disposable army, living longer than his plans for them..and especially longer than himself for that matter.
@@scottbraun2457 Both good points. It also seemed like they were only beginning to understand and control the aging process when they made the clones, so I wonder what they could have accomplished if they hadn't rebelled against Palpatine.
@@samueldimmock694 I am enjoying this contact.
I a good and strange idea for a FAN-FICTION, comes to mind; a secretly made batch..with a short maturation..but lengthly lifespan..that their creators sneak off with..hiding on a marginally "M-CLASS", extra thickly forested planet...
Sadly, that's all that's hitting me in my creativity..but, maybe it's enough for you to run..or maybe someone you trust with the project.
I hope you enjoyed this as much as I have. Thank you. Good night.
@@scottbraun2457 We also know that they made two working clones of a Jedi, both of whom were Force-sensitive. Maybe Syfo-Dias wasn't as big a fool as we thought, and commissioned a few dozen working Force-sensitive clones trained by the best of the Jedi Sentinels as a failsafe in case the normal clone army wasn't enough to save the Jedi and the Republic. After all, the Jedi Order has been destroyed before, and risen from the ashes; why not make that the plan?
These sentinels were a bit wary of Luke's New Jedi Order, seeing it as a dangerous experiment in relaxing the rules and placing a greater responsibility on each individual member, so they stayed hidden until the Darth Caedus crisis convinced them that the Order was doomed. When they learned about Darth Krayt, and that the main Jedi Order was doing very little to stop him, they decided that their job wasn't over yet. Most of the first generation was probably dead by the time the New Jedi Order fell and the One Sith were destroyed, but the second and third generations were going strong. Some of them emerged from the shadows, re-founding the Jedi Order; but they had learned well the lessons of the Rule of Two Sith, and some of them continued to operate from the shadows, ensuring the Sith would never again threaten the galaxy.
That what you were looking for? Either way, thank you. Good morning.