The Guncannons excel at medium to long range, whereas the Zakus and Bugu are more fit for close range. No wonder the Guncannons got clapped once they got into close quarters combat. They lack mobility and reaction speed compared to the Zaku and Bugu.
The only saving grace for the guncannons was the armor and that failed against the bazooka and heat hawks, only with the machine gun if the unit was lucky
It's also worth pointing out that these Guncannons didn't have Minovsky fusion reactors, so they had a fraction of the output and performance of the Zaku
First he fires on them without permission and then he killed the Doctor. I’m surprised he wasn’t thrown in the brig and court martialed for disobeying his commanding officer.
Wasnt really a fair fight though. You got Ortega, Gaia, Mash, Ramba Ral, and Char against pilots who haven't fought with movile suits at all. They might be outnumbered 12 to 5 but when you take into account the pilots the outcome was inevitable
@@foofoo3344 Absolutely unfair to call them veterans. This incident happened before the One Year War even began. These are prototypes against prototypes. The simple fact is the Zeon mobile suits are superior to Federation ones.
What's interesting is that depending on the sources, the Guncannons are classified as MBTs. It kind of highlights the Federation way of thinking on warfare during the OYW era where they still hold on to "old" doctrines.
Zeon had quality and experience advantage, especially early on. Federation won out by sheer production power/modularity once the experience gap closed over time. People forget that GMs didn't really enter true mass production till around/after the Battle of Jaburo. Part of Project V's importance was the delivery of battle data to produce GMs. Federation pilots are mostly referred to as poorly trained till post Jaburo.
If you think about it, the RX-78 Gundam MS fixed a LOT of flaws that these Early Guncannons had and significantly closed the gap between the Feddies and Zeon in MS development. Quite scary that they caught up so fast
Keep in mind is that Zeon built their suits for Mass Production in mind. While the Federation's Gundam was so expensive and time intensive to build. There was no way they could mass produce the Gundams for every pilot. The Federation had to scale back the Gundam and make the GM instead. The GM has much lower performance than Gundam.
@TheBigExclusive the GM did have some performance equallinf the Gundam. And come the RX-179, the OG Gundam was basically over qs a front line unit as the GM 2 had equal performance
Even though it’s aces vs greenhorns in slower suits, the Zaku 1s had weaker armor than the 2s, and in the opening barrage alone, there should have been at least some damn paint scratching. A broken armor plate, a torn off piece of shoulder armor. SOMETHING to show that, while new, Zeon would have to adapt in the near future as the Federation was starting to catch up.
problem with that is have to animated as well make Zeon look a little weak but they would not do that as people well complan about Zeon not being unstopable
@@FlameQwertYou say that but as a Zeon enjoyer even I know those cannons should've put a dent at minimum in a zaku 1's armor. The bug is up armored comparatively but even still. The orgin did flop a few things for me.
Gaia should have been court-martialed over this. His insubordination resulted in the absolute failure of their mission and in the long term severely set back Zeonic R&D.
The question is "Was Dr. Minovsky still useful?". His whole focus was shrinking the power reactor to fit inside a Zaku. He accomplished that. Even if Zeon recaptured him, what else could he accomplish? It seemed like he may no longer have been useful anymore. Other Zeon Scientists were already taking over mobile suit development
Probably didn't help Char sank the command ship before they could issue the recall order. Giving the Guncannons an out and possibly averting Dr. Minovsky's sudden dimensional reduction.
@@frogfinance4605 No one ever gives the Tank Crews or fighter pilots the credit they deserve for just how long they held off the Zeeks until the first MP mobile suits started to roll out. Some missed story potential there really.
@@frogfinance4605 true but these where tank crews in mobile suits which honestly is the worst people you put in these you want fighter pilots people who can make full advantage of the mobility
I am not a Gundam hardcore fan, but what struck me most was (like real aircraft or tanks), a more powerful engine makes or breaks a design. The huge energy budget of the Minovsky reactors allowed heavier armor, weaponry, and more maneuverability, without compromising any of these aspects in favor of one or another. Just the fact that they can self-deploy over operational ranges without needing a carrier to come directly to the frontline is a huge plus. The guncannon mechs seemed to have favored lighter mixed weaponry over everything else, with a much less powerful engine, with commensurate decreases in protection & mobility. If I had to pick a historical parallel, this seems like what happened to Paul-Bolton Defiant turret-fighters when they were deployed against German Bf-109s during the Battle of France in 1940 (it was a massacre).
Many other aspects can also play a role too. The federation's field motor drive system was far better and faster than Zeons fluid pulse drive system. So while on paper, a Gelgood should make mincemeat out of the grandpa Gundam. The drive system allowed it to dodge and move faster.
I don't know, the art style direction is a little goofy for me, it got it charm tho. I know the 0079 is also a goofy one but it's like.. The pre 2000 kind of goofy. I just.. Don't know how to describe this maybe I was just old fashion bias. Just my own opinion with no hatred
something to mention about guncannons made at this point, is that they had less armor and worse weaponry(presumably) than the guncannon from the original series, which was made in tandem with the gundam, using the fighter core technology
The Guncannon here just looks significantly weaker than the prototypes in the original series. The Zaku mechine guns can hardly dent the prototype. Of course, that beam rifle of the prototype is actually like top of the line weapon for its time. The cannons here also looks technologically outdated compare to the one in the prototype.
@@Guncannon yep, i think the guncannons here were made for anti-infantry and maybe some anti-armor(tanks and other conventional military vehicle) combat rather than mobile suit v mobile suit combat.
@@Guncannonthe RX-77/78 series prototypes had Lunar Titanium armour and e-cap beam weaponry, which was what gave them the advantage during the One Year War.
There are two things i love of this scene The similarity in the cold war behavior from both parties trying to obtain the main force behind the MS The clear demonstration of superior design and tactics by Zeon forces over the Federation that wanted to sustain the Guncannon like Suits over the more Mobile (Polivalent) Suit
its bit funny, in other gundam anime, the sharpnel from eplosion alone could simply turn zaku into scrap if that close, let alone the blast. well, this is prime example of plot armor anyway.
@@right584 yeah right sharpnel would do nothing, then explain why Zaku 2 in other gundam anime takes heavy damage after receiving altilery barrage from feddies. and i have to remind you, Zaku 1 Armor is weak because they make it to be lighter to compensate the reactor output limitation and Zaku 2 actually has much better armor because the reactor is also improved
@@yodamorpheus3128 shrapnel are usually dangerous against infantary or unarmored vehicles But they do nothing against heavy armor like ifvs or tanks Same for a zaku
Every clip from this series is like watching a professional athlete playing against a child. You could replace the Federation pilots with cats or the equivalent of a brick on an accelerator and they'd do no worse. It's a frustration watching clips of this series and seeing Feds that would probably lose a fight versus a cardboard box with a Zeon logo on it. There's no fun in seeing Zakus dunk on enemies so incompetent.
To be fair, at this point of the timeline, Federation was just starting to make any sort of proper Mobile Suit and they didn't have a proper doctrine for them yet. You can see how Guncannons are basically treated as tanks/artillery pieces, they don't really move. They haven't really gotten doctrine and usage down yet. However, that's just Mobile Suit front. On the non-MS fronts, Federation very much dominated. Battle of Loum would have been massive defeat for Zeon if not for Char pulling some Grade A Bullshit to cripple Federation Navy.
There's a lot of factors at play here. First off, Zeon had access to mobile suit tech well before it was weaponized, with many pilots having years of experience using them in construction work, while the Federation had functioning mobile suits for months at best, so the pilots had far less training, and less time for the establishment of battlefield doctrine. At this point, even if the Federation mobile suits were on par with Zeon's, that experience gap is telling. There's also the technology gap to consider. Zeon had access to Superhard Steel Alloy, which the original Zaku 1's were constructed from, while the Federation suits were made from titanium. SSA was just blatantly better, and future Zaku units would be made from even sturdier materials. Further, since Zeon was first out with Mobile Suits, they had a better idea of what weapons would be effective against them, while for the Federation, this was all still experimental with minimal data, so their weapons would not be up to the task. All of the tech that made the Zeon suits superior came from Minovsky, the man trying to defect, and Zeon had made sure that information wouldn't fall into the Federation's hands. Everything leading up to the Gundam project would have to be done by scratch by Tem Rey, one of his students. The final factor is a combination of the two, and is something so common that it has a name in the real world: Teething Troubles. Any time a new weapons platform is initially implemented, problems will emerge from the fact that all of its development and testing was done in a lab or in controlled environments, orderly environments where all, or nearly all, factors are controlled. War is a chaotic environment, and will reveal flaws that weren't apparent on a drawing board or a proving ground. While the data from this encounter and ones like it would help to iron out the flaws and help improve future production models, if wouldn't help in the short term. All of this is why, in the One Year War, Zeon was able to dunk on the Federation so successfully, and the main reasons why Zeon agreed to a truce was because they were running low on soldiers and weapons, needing to rearm before they could continue the war. After only a year of warfare, Zeon was exhausted, and while they'd made massive gains, battlefield losses meant that they lacked the manpower to capitalize on them. This peace would give the Federation time to catch up, both in terms of technology and battlefield doctrine. Then, with the Gundam, the Federation was able to create a weapons platform that could go toe-to-toe with even Zeon's best weapons, finally bridging the technology gap between the two powers.
I mean, one side already well versed and trained in mobile suit combat, the other side still grasping on what to do with them. War isn't fair, is like me complaining Zaku machine gun cannot penetrate Gundam armor. It wasn't supposed to be fair.
Ah the gm, specs better than most zeon ms, gets wiped out to show how much more powerful the gundam is compared to the gms that stand there and blow up. When there is a gm that can figjt it gets sniped off or killed by newtype powers in 3 seconds anyway.
I think the point was to show just how woefully unprepared for the war the Federation was. They didn't take Zeon seriously enough to keep pace in many areas. Their MS development was way behind, their strategic doctrine was severely outdated, and their overall combat readiness was lacking. They didn't believe it was possible for a single colony cluster to even remotely challenge them. The Federation's fleets had an ungodly numerical advantage, and they didn't think silly gimmicks like mobile suits would matter. It was until the Battle of Loum that the Federation finally understood that the nature of warfare had changed. Honestly, it fits with the recurring theme of the Universal Century timeline. Almost all of the problems in the U.C. are rooted in the Federation's neglect and complacency. Their unwillingness to be proactive and take things seriously before it's too late is a major problem in every series.
4 elites pz 4/75. the zaku 1 cant be compared to leopards expecialy when they are the first of their kinds. see your info stgraigt zeon famboy. for comparsion the Dijeh vs the Zaku 3 is Abrams vs Leopards
Nah more like a bunch of new M3's against the late production panzer lll's, maybe one pzVI with the 75 for the guy with the bazooka. Better guns and armour but worse mobility and less experienced crew vs. elite veterans in technically worse machines but making all the difference with experience and tactics, pretty much how it happened in africa 42/43.
I can't get over how Gundam tends to make non mech weapons unbelievably trash. Like we already have the Phalanx CIWS that can shred literally missles from hundreds of meters away. A gundam suit floating up in front of an armed warship without any resistance and dodging its cannons is questionable, regardless of its generation.
General rule of thumb is weapons > armor since it takes more advanced materials and thought processes to overcome the power of a missile or shot. In regards to CIWS though, isn't the whole point of minovsky to neutralize radars? How could a fire control system track a target as far out as your saying without radar?
@@armandaguerrebere8088 CIWS is just one of the many modern day examples I chose. For the situation they were in, they didn't need radar. They were likely within 1000 meters, close enough for manual aiming. AC-130 tactics would had shredded them. Raining thousands of pounds on ordinance on them until there is nothing left. But yet, they only had a ball turret that shot and rotated slower than a 30mm auto cannon from the top of the ship.
"Close enough for manual aiming" indeed, and it probably was being manually aimed at that point, and also probably why the operator missed. I am not a veteran nor a soldier but I have watched a ton of documentaries about the subject, and one thing that stuck to me were the descriptions of people that actually were in battle about how adrenaline is filling your booldstream, which causes you to get twitchy and overreactive, which in turn causes soldiers to miss relatively easy shots. And I would wager that if I was on that transport having just watched all the ground forces we deployed get wrecked and now having an MS right up on my face through the weapon's optics I would be sweating bullets.
The Guncannons are suppossed to be equipped with Chobham armor in quantity, those 90mm Autocannon/rifles are not doing ANYTHING to that level of armor and the unguided rockets are NOT making in flight corrections nor at 1/6 gravity is a tanker standing still. Tank Crews know its fire on the move, firing while stationary is a WWII tactic that was abandoned long ago due to weapon mount stabilitzation and with laser targetting they are not missing even on the move... An antiquated Chieftan hit a T55 while it was stationary at over 3 km during desert storm... The first volley against immobile targets would have cost the Zeons as they discovered their firepower is useless...
The attention to detail in this is impressive. I like how simple it is and yet you see combat strain and resistance in the AS frames as they get shot. What show is this from?
I always hate how Zeon can fight with half the numbers and come out on top, making the federation mobile suits look like storm troopers. Don’t get me wrong, I know the lore reason behind it, but even after the first year of the war, a Zaku II was still more then a match for most line produced federation suits
@@matthiuskoenig3378 it’s just how it’s presented. Like how storm troopers can win the battle of HOTH but the only other time the can aim is the opening of the cary first movie. I don’t care that they lose, I care how they lose. Even in unicorn the newest models were being wiped by 20 year old models
Finally, someone is saying something about this. this trope of zeon Wiping out legions of federation mobile suits without breaking a sweat is getting kinda old.
@@AmbroseBoaBowie tbf Stormtroopers are pretty great troops barring times they fight the heroes, like when they storm Tantive IV in the first movie, they mow down the rebels and suffer few casualties despite the rebels having a massive defense advantage from using a choke point, also they were instructed to not kill Luke and the gang on the Death Star as to let them lead the Empire to Yavin IV
Even with the Federation not knowing how Mobile Suits Work, why would they fire their cannons and just sit there??? Even if they were just big MBTs to the Feddies at that time, tankers would know to shoot and scoot.
to put it simply, the Earth Federation classified The RCX-76-02 Guncannon First Type as a new type of MBT, As stated in the Wiki specifically the paragraph on the Technology & Combat Characteristics Although developed from the Guntank Early type as a new type of MBT, it differed strongly in its functional concept. The Guntank Early Type placed little emphasis on mobility, and its main mission was long-range bombardment with its large-caliber cannons. Since the Guncannon First Type was intended for infantry-style operation, it had more versatile armament as well as better mobility. Its specifications were decided based on evaluation tests using the RCX-76-01A Guncannon Mobility Test Type and RCX-76-01B Guncannon Firepower Test Type. In addition to the long-range bombardment capabilities of the Guntank Early Type, it also emphasized bombardment from medium range, and it was designed so that its equipment could be changed depending on the mission and the team organization. The Guncannon First Type had an armament platform on its shoulders, and was equipped with medium to long-range firearms. Its three-fingered manipulators carried a rifle and shield, but were not outfitted with close combat weapons that would have maximized its humanoid features. The specifications thus lacked balance compared to Zeon's mobile suits, which were created with an emphasis on versatility. This was because the AE development team and the upper echelon of the Earth Federation Space Force. regarded the humanoid mobile weapon as an extension of large-scale combat vehicles. This was a "large mistake", as they later realized at the Battle of Mare Smythii.
The Guncannon specifications lacked balance compared to Zeon's mobile suits, which were created with an emphasis on versatility. This was because the Anaheim Electronics development team and the upper echelon of the Earth Federation Space Force, regarded the humanoid mobile weapons as an extension of large-scale combat vehicles.
the aiming system is not bad, the shell are supposed to be landed right there since its altilery canon, they destroy target with blast not direct hit. the odd thing how the hell zaku are not gets destroyed? zaku armor only design just to tank anti aircraft canon because that the only thing that can keep up with their speed, not altilery canon. in ms 08, that amount of blast could just destroy that zaku.
they should've saw this coming, I mean, like the Guncannon's in the original series' side stories, those mobile suits are completely useless, those guys in Origin were complete armatures.
Its more to do with how new the federation was to having any mobile suits. It is a completely new type of military vehicle to them it would be like having a professional driver fly one of the first ever planes. He might have the same excellent reactions but if he cant instinctively translate them to the machine then hes out of luck. I would also imagine these early Guncannons would be extremely clunky to control.
Thanks for uploading this boring "this side hits with every round and every hit is a kill, the other side doesn't hit ever and if it did, would have bounced on the armor" fight that has convinced me to put this... show in my "never bother" list.
The Guncannons excel at medium to long range, whereas the Zakus and Bugu are more fit for close range.
No wonder the Guncannons got clapped once they got into close quarters combat. They lack mobility and reaction speed compared to the Zaku and Bugu.
The only saving grace for the guncannons was the armor and that failed against the bazooka and heat hawks, only with the machine gun if the unit was lucky
The Origin Guncannons aren't really even that great at their ideal range.
It's also worth pointing out that these Guncannons didn't have Minovsky fusion reactors, so they had a fraction of the output and performance of the Zaku
These mk 1 (shoulder cannon) Guncannons die faster than GMs.
@@Marinealver In Origin the Guncannon is massively worse than the GM.
And with that act of insubordination Gaia destroyed Zeon's ENTIRE minovsky advantage
I could easily have seen a scenario where he killed Gaia for disobeying orders and he and Char proceed to kill Ortega and Mash.
This really makes the black tri stars death in the hands of the gundam all the more satisfying
I don't think Minovsky was going to cooperate anymore. He might sabotage the program or design defective products. He couldn't be trusted.
Winning the battle to lose the war
First he fires on them without permission and then he killed the Doctor. I’m surprised he wasn’t thrown in the brig and court martialed for disobeying his commanding officer.
Wasnt really a fair fight though. You got Ortega, Gaia, Mash, Ramba Ral, and Char against pilots who haven't fought with movile suits at all. They might be outnumbered 12 to 5 but when you take into account the pilots the outcome was inevitable
Yeah, to be fair they were up against veterans. Even a veteran with a pistol can kill a noob with an assault rifle.
@@-podalso, plot armor
@@foofoo3344 Absolutely unfair to call them veterans. This incident happened before the One Year War even began. These are prototypes against prototypes. The simple fact is the Zeon mobile suits are superior to Federation ones.
@@spiderpsycho_8887 They are veteran soldier, not veteran pilots. Regardless, their footsoldier skills helps them.
@@foofoo3344 i don't think there's a lot of crossover between lets say a marine and an air force pilot
What's interesting is that depending on the sources, the Guncannons are classified as MBTs.
It kind of highlights the Federation way of thinking on warfare during the OYW era where they still hold on to "old" doctrines.
Funny since their tactics are more primitive and less practical than conventional doctrine
Shuttup dude
I still can't believe the opening barrage by the Guncannons didn't do anything, not even a scratch.
Zeon had quality and experience advantage, especially early on.
Federation won out by sheer production power/modularity once the experience gap closed over time.
People forget that GMs didn't really enter true mass production till around/after the Battle of Jaburo. Part of Project V's importance was the delivery of battle data to produce GMs. Federation pilots are mostly referred to as poorly trained till post Jaburo.
In other words, Germany vs the Allies all over again.
@@Alamandorious yeah this makes sense
Don't forget that GMs are actually 0.8Gundam and it is newer and slightly better than Zaku in terms of spec (not talking about the quality of pilots
If you think about it, the RX-78 Gundam MS fixed a LOT of flaws that these Early Guncannons had and significantly closed the gap between the Feddies and Zeon in MS development. Quite scary that they caught up so fast
Keep in mind is that Zeon built their suits for Mass Production in mind. While the Federation's Gundam was so expensive and time intensive to build. There was no way they could mass produce the Gundams for every pilot. The Federation had to scale back the Gundam and make the GM instead. The GM has much lower performance than Gundam.
I would agree considering that the early type Guncannons wouldn't even be considered true "Mobile Suits" and more so as just walking tanks
@@TheBigExclusive but it ended up being way better than the zaku IIs on paper and WAY better than the proto-guncannons
@@TheBigExclusive I doubt budget is an issue for the feds, they simply lack talent. They had no issues mass producing Jegans
@TheBigExclusive the GM did have some performance equallinf the Gundam. And come the RX-179, the OG Gundam was basically over qs a front line unit as the GM 2 had equal performance
Even though it’s aces vs greenhorns in slower suits, the Zaku 1s had weaker armor than the 2s, and in the opening barrage alone, there should have been at least some damn paint scratching. A broken armor plate, a torn off piece of shoulder armor.
SOMETHING to show that, while new, Zeon would have to adapt in the near future as the Federation was starting to catch up.
problem with that is have to animated as well make Zeon look a little weak but they would not do that as people well complan about Zeon not being unstopable
as if bandai would ever consider stopping zeonwank.
@@vm_duc This is true.
zeon fanboys would shit their pants if the zakus took anywhere near the damage they should have (given already established facts)
@@FlameQwertYou say that but as a Zeon enjoyer even I know those cannons should've put a dent at minimum in a zaku 1's armor. The bug is up armored comparatively but even still. The orgin did flop a few things for me.
Gaia should have been court-martialed over this. His insubordination resulted in the absolute failure of their mission and in the long term severely set back Zeonic R&D.
The question is "Was Dr. Minovsky still useful?". His whole focus was shrinking the power reactor to fit inside a Zaku. He accomplished that. Even if Zeon recaptured him, what else could he accomplish? It seemed like he may no longer have been useful anymore. Other Zeon Scientists were already taking over mobile suit development
Probably didn't help Char sank the command ship before they could issue the recall order. Giving the Guncannons an out and possibly averting Dr. Minovsky's sudden dimensional reduction.
@@Renorick1 chars actions in attacking the command ship were completely reasonable. Gaia's refusal to follow orders is the real issue here
I hope that Char kid does not make a habit out of shooting space ship bridges
So the way he destroy the bridge in ms igloo was badass.
*Peers into the Future* Womp womp
Char wasn’t in ms igloo, those episodes were of other soldiers and in the case of the assault guntanks prisoners if I recall right
This like pros fighting against newbies first time holding a gun.
People who had actual MS training against people who were probably tank operators
Federation tank crews destroyed hundreds of Zakus prior to the V project rolling out.
@@frogfinance4605 No one ever gives the Tank Crews or fighter pilots the credit they deserve for just how long they held off the Zeeks until the first MP mobile suits started to roll out. Some missed story potential there really.
@@frogfinance4605 true but these where tank crews in mobile suits which honestly is the worst people you put in these you want fighter pilots people who can make full advantage of the mobility
@@tuckerodonnell9269 no. Type 61 tanks destroyed hundreds of zakus
I am not a Gundam hardcore fan, but what struck me most was (like real aircraft or tanks), a more powerful engine makes or breaks a design. The huge energy budget of the Minovsky reactors allowed heavier armor, weaponry, and more maneuverability, without compromising any of these aspects in favor of one or another. Just the fact that they can self-deploy over operational ranges without needing a carrier to come directly to the frontline is a huge plus.
The guncannon mechs seemed to have favored lighter mixed weaponry over everything else, with a much less powerful engine, with commensurate decreases in protection & mobility.
If I had to pick a historical parallel, this seems like what happened to Paul-Bolton Defiant turret-fighters when they were deployed against German Bf-109s during the Battle of France in 1940 (it was a massacre).
I absolutely must give you credit for this observation!!😲
Many other aspects can also play a role too.
The federation's field motor drive system was far better and faster than Zeons fluid pulse drive system.
So while on paper, a Gelgood should make mincemeat out of the grandpa Gundam. The drive system allowed it to dodge and move faster.
Still wishing for that gundam origin remake with this kind of style and animation
Next year Solomon invasion on😂 Mobile suit gundam origin anime is possible.
What the name of this show?
@@durbeshpatel3047 Mobile suit gundam the origin
I don't know, the art style direction is a little goofy for me, it got it charm tho. I know the 0079 is also a goofy one but it's like.. The pre 2000 kind of goofy. I just.. Don't know how to describe this maybe I was just old fashion bias. Just my own opinion with no hatred
The origin was better
something to mention about guncannons made at this point, is that they had less armor and worse weaponry(presumably) than the guncannon from the original series, which was made in tandem with the gundam, using the fighter core technology
The Guncannon here just looks significantly weaker than the prototypes in the original series. The Zaku mechine guns can hardly dent the prototype. Of course, that beam rifle of the prototype is actually like top of the line weapon for its time. The cannons here also looks technologically outdated compare to the one in the prototype.
@@Guncannon yep, i think the guncannons here were made for anti-infantry and maybe some anti-armor(tanks and other conventional military vehicle) combat rather than mobile suit v mobile suit combat.
Gms are weak they stand there staring at enemy receiving heavy attack
@@Guncannonthe RX-77/78 series prototypes had Lunar Titanium armour and e-cap beam weaponry, which was what gave them the advantage during the One Year War.
I feel Char visits the Cloud district. When he isn't fighting in the wars he's been in
There are two things i love of this scene
The similarity in the cold war behavior from both parties trying to obtain the main force behind the MS
The clear demonstration of superior design and tactics by Zeon forces over the Federation that wanted to sustain the Guncannon like Suits over the more Mobile (Polivalent) Suit
Aka Russia losing their crap when America made the F-15😂😅
its bit funny, in other gundam anime, the sharpnel from eplosion alone could simply turn zaku into scrap if that close, let alone the blast.
well, this is prime example of plot armor anyway.
What are you talking about ?
zaku armor was designed to take direct hits shrapnel won't do nothing
@@right584 yeah right sharpnel would do nothing, then explain why Zaku 2 in other gundam anime takes heavy damage after receiving altilery barrage from feddies. and i have to remind you, Zaku 1 Armor is weak because they make it to be lighter to compensate the reactor output limitation and Zaku 2 actually has much better armor because the reactor is also improved
@@ilhamshobri461 you said it your self that's an artillery barrage not shrapnel
@@right584where do you think shrapnel comes from?
@@yodamorpheus3128 shrapnel are usually dangerous against infantary or unarmored vehicles
But they do nothing against heavy armor like ifvs or tanks
Same for a zaku
0:40 Bruh, ngl, seeing a MS simply walking out of the dark side/shadow of the Moon feels like some space horror.
Gundam Origin and it's a masterpiece next to Gundam Thunderbolt and Bandit Flower.
Thank you kindly, internet stranger. Loved Thunderbolt.
I like all three
Every clip from this series is like watching a professional athlete playing against a child. You could replace the Federation pilots with cats or the equivalent of a brick on an accelerator and they'd do no worse.
It's a frustration watching clips of this series and seeing Feds that would probably lose a fight versus a cardboard box with a Zeon logo on it. There's no fun in seeing Zakus dunk on enemies so incompetent.
To be fair, at this point of the timeline, Federation was just starting to make any sort of proper Mobile Suit and they didn't have a proper doctrine for them yet. You can see how Guncannons are basically treated as tanks/artillery pieces, they don't really move. They haven't really gotten doctrine and usage down yet.
However, that's just Mobile Suit front. On the non-MS fronts, Federation very much dominated. Battle of Loum would have been massive defeat for Zeon if not for Char pulling some Grade A Bullshit to cripple Federation Navy.
There's a lot of factors at play here. First off, Zeon had access to mobile suit tech well before it was weaponized, with many pilots having years of experience using them in construction work, while the Federation had functioning mobile suits for months at best, so the pilots had far less training, and less time for the establishment of battlefield doctrine. At this point, even if the Federation mobile suits were on par with Zeon's, that experience gap is telling.
There's also the technology gap to consider. Zeon had access to Superhard Steel Alloy, which the original Zaku 1's were constructed from, while the Federation suits were made from titanium. SSA was just blatantly better, and future Zaku units would be made from even sturdier materials. Further, since Zeon was first out with Mobile Suits, they had a better idea of what weapons would be effective against them, while for the Federation, this was all still experimental with minimal data, so their weapons would not be up to the task. All of the tech that made the Zeon suits superior came from Minovsky, the man trying to defect, and Zeon had made sure that information wouldn't fall into the Federation's hands. Everything leading up to the Gundam project would have to be done by scratch by Tem Rey, one of his students.
The final factor is a combination of the two, and is something so common that it has a name in the real world: Teething Troubles. Any time a new weapons platform is initially implemented, problems will emerge from the fact that all of its development and testing was done in a lab or in controlled environments, orderly environments where all, or nearly all, factors are controlled. War is a chaotic environment, and will reveal flaws that weren't apparent on a drawing board or a proving ground. While the data from this encounter and ones like it would help to iron out the flaws and help improve future production models, if wouldn't help in the short term.
All of this is why, in the One Year War, Zeon was able to dunk on the Federation so successfully, and the main reasons why Zeon agreed to a truce was because they were running low on soldiers and weapons, needing to rearm before they could continue the war. After only a year of warfare, Zeon was exhausted, and while they'd made massive gains, battlefield losses meant that they lacked the manpower to capitalize on them. This peace would give the Federation time to catch up, both in terms of technology and battlefield doctrine. Then, with the Gundam, the Federation was able to create a weapons platform that could go toe-to-toe with even Zeon's best weapons, finally bridging the technology gap between the two powers.
I mean, one side already well versed and trained in mobile suit combat, the other side still grasping on what to do with them.
War isn't fair, is like me complaining Zaku machine gun cannot penetrate Gundam armor. It wasn't supposed to be fair.
Ah the gm, specs better than most zeon ms, gets wiped out to show how much more powerful the gundam is compared to the gms that stand there and blow up. When there is a gm that can figjt it gets sniped off or killed by newtype powers in 3 seconds anyway.
I think the point was to show just how woefully unprepared for the war the Federation was. They didn't take Zeon seriously enough to keep pace in many areas. Their MS development was way behind, their strategic doctrine was severely outdated, and their overall combat readiness was lacking. They didn't believe it was possible for a single colony cluster to even remotely challenge them. The Federation's fleets had an ungodly numerical advantage, and they didn't think silly gimmicks like mobile suits would matter. It was until the Battle of Loum that the Federation finally understood that the nature of warfare had changed.
Honestly, it fits with the recurring theme of the Universal Century timeline. Almost all of the problems in the U.C. are rooted in the Federation's neglect and complacency. Their unwillingness to be proactive and take things seriously before it's too late is a major problem in every series.
Basically, a mass murder sherman early type who the crew didnt ready to experiencing it against 4 elite leopards.
4 elites pz 4/75. the zaku 1 cant be compared to leopards expecialy when they are the first of their kinds. see your info stgraigt zeon famboy. for comparsion the Dijeh vs the Zaku 3 is Abrams vs Leopards
You mean Tigers? 😂😂😂
@torokun is not ready yet for that!
Nah more like a bunch of new M3's against the late production panzer lll's, maybe one pzVI with the 75 for the guy with the bazooka.
Better guns and armour but worse mobility and less experienced crew vs. elite veterans in technically worse machines but making all the difference with experience and tactics, pretty much how it happened in africa 42/43.
Leopards would get fucked by Shermans. That’s an armoured car vs an actual medium tank.
5:53 they did not follow the order
I can't get over how Gundam tends to make non mech weapons unbelievably trash. Like we already have the Phalanx CIWS that can shred literally missles from hundreds of meters away.
A gundam suit floating up in front of an armed warship without any resistance and dodging its cannons is questionable, regardless of its generation.
Not to mention a carrier of that caliber not having better armor, especially around critical points like the bridge and the engines. SMH
I have always hated this about the gundam series.
General rule of thumb is weapons > armor since it takes more advanced materials and thought processes to overcome the power of a missile or shot. In regards to CIWS though, isn't the whole point of minovsky to neutralize radars? How could a fire control system track a target as far out as your saying without radar?
@@armandaguerrebere8088 CIWS is just one of the many modern day examples I chose. For the situation they were in, they didn't need radar. They were likely within 1000 meters, close enough for manual aiming. AC-130 tactics would had shredded them. Raining thousands of pounds on ordinance on them until there is nothing left. But yet, they only had a ball turret that shot and rotated slower than a 30mm auto cannon from the top of the ship.
"Close enough for manual aiming" indeed, and it probably was being manually aimed at that point, and also probably why the operator missed.
I am not a veteran nor a soldier but I have watched a ton of documentaries about the subject, and one thing that stuck to me were the descriptions of people that actually were in battle about how adrenaline is filling your booldstream, which causes you to get twitchy and overreactive, which in turn causes soldiers to miss relatively easy shots.
And I would wager that if I was on that transport having just watched all the ground forces we deployed get wrecked and now having an MS right up on my face through the weapon's optics I would be sweating bullets.
The Guncannons are suppossed to be equipped with Chobham armor in quantity, those 90mm Autocannon/rifles are not doing ANYTHING to that level of armor and the unguided rockets are NOT making in flight corrections nor at 1/6 gravity is a tanker standing still. Tank Crews know its fire on the move, firing while stationary is a WWII tactic that was abandoned long ago due to weapon mount stabilitzation and with laser targetting they are not missing even on the move... An antiquated Chieftan hit a T55 while it was stationary at over 3 km during desert storm... The first volley against immobile targets would have cost the Zeons as they discovered their firepower is useless...
5:51 Fire in space is like fire in water in spongebob
Maybe oxygen leakages could justify it among other gases to make the noise
doesnt that depend on the elements at times, you also have to keep in mind about lithium fires
the zeon suits look so cool in this
I would love to see both of these units in Battle Operation 2 it would be fun
facts. need some more low cost suits in the game
Bugu is in gbo2 now :)
@@lunathecrusaderNo It's not. Yet.
@@aceu.c.veteran5167 its only on playstation
Ahh, the Bugu!
i love the bugu so much. its my favorite mobile suit
So to make a "prequel" Guncannon they just took off one of the shoulder cannons.
These babies are the MS-04 Bugu.
Only Ramba Ral's is a Bugu. Char's and the Black Tri-Star's are Zaku Is
Tbh the only thing that saved the Zeons from the first barrage was plot armor.
"range 400 (m?)...fire!" Zakus just shrug off cannon shots and someone leap 400 (m?) in a second? BS
The attention to detail in this is impressive. I like how simple it is and yet you see combat strain and resistance in the AS frames as they get shot. What show is this from?
I always hate how Zeon can fight with half the numbers and come out on top, making the federation mobile suits look like storm troopers.
Don’t get me wrong, I know the lore reason behind it, but even after the first year of the war, a Zaku II was still more then a match for most line produced federation suits
Why would you hate it?
@@matthiuskoenig3378 it’s just how it’s presented. Like how storm troopers can win the battle of HOTH but the only other time the can aim is the opening of the cary first movie. I don’t care that they lose, I care how they lose. Even in unicorn the newest models were being wiped by 20 year old models
Finally, someone is saying something about this. this trope of zeon Wiping out legions of federation mobile suits without breaking a sweat is getting kinda old.
@@tystringfellow7912 I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this!
@@AmbroseBoaBowie tbf Stormtroopers are pretty great troops barring times they fight the heroes, like when they storm Tantive IV in the first movie, they mow down the rebels and suffer few casualties despite the rebels having a massive defense advantage from using a choke point, also they were instructed to not kill Luke and the gang on the Death Star as to let them lead the Empire to Yavin IV
Even with the Federation not knowing how Mobile Suits Work, why would they fire their cannons and just sit there??? Even if they were just big MBTs to the Feddies at that time, tankers would know to shoot and scoot.
When playing gundam online, the guncanon prototype is not bad.
Guncannon at that state was still basically a tank
to put it simply, the Earth Federation classified The RCX-76-02 Guncannon First Type as a new type of MBT, As stated in the Wiki specifically the paragraph on the Technology & Combat Characteristics
Although developed from the Guntank Early type as a new type of MBT, it differed strongly in its functional concept. The Guntank Early Type placed little emphasis on mobility, and its main mission was long-range bombardment with its large-caliber cannons. Since the Guncannon First Type was intended for infantry-style operation, it had more versatile armament as well as better mobility.
Its specifications were decided based on evaluation tests using the RCX-76-01A Guncannon Mobility Test Type and RCX-76-01B Guncannon Firepower Test Type. In addition to the long-range bombardment capabilities of the Guntank Early Type, it also emphasized bombardment from medium range, and it was designed so that its equipment could be changed depending on the mission and the team organization. The Guncannon First Type had an armament platform on its shoulders, and was equipped with medium to long-range firearms. Its three-fingered manipulators carried a rifle and shield, but were not outfitted with close combat weapons that would have maximized its humanoid features.
The specifications thus lacked balance compared to Zeon's mobile suits, which were created with an emphasis on versatility. This was because the AE development team and the upper echelon of the Earth Federation Space Force. regarded the humanoid mobile weapon as an extension of large-scale combat vehicles. This was a "large mistake", as they later realized at the Battle of Mare Smythii.
The fact Zaku 1 first prototype of Mobile suits
And once again Casval's machinations succeeded.
I didn't know they made the first wave of Zakus out of gundanium.
The Guncannon specifications lacked balance compared to Zeon's mobile suits, which were created with an emphasis on versatility. This was because the Anaheim Electronics development team and the upper echelon of the Earth Federation Space Force, regarded the humanoid mobile weapons as an extension of large-scale combat vehicles.
I didn’t realize when I first watched this that the earth federation had Thai fighters
What the hell are those things at 2:08? They oook like Tie-Bombers from Star Wars
Took them too lightly and paid for it in the end.
About 20 Feddy suits slaughtered by 4 Zeon, 3 being the soon to be Black Tri-stars.
Why does Char sounds like Nazeem
Same VA. Very fitting though, he kinda sounds like his Jap VA
That’s because it is. It’s Keith Silverstein
lmao I can't stop thinking of a bunch of Skyrim characters in Char's place
The guncannons they had to pretend existed
The last Guncannon pilot died of a heart attack
The biggest thing I despised about Gundam as a whole is the silly arse plot armor.
Good old zaku finally gets the treatment he deserves
How many times does he gotta say don’t do it for that guy to stop I mean dang Gaia was just straight bloodthirsty
The Tri-stars had a bad habit for ignoring commands and continuing combat
When you have a full team of support ms grunt vs Ace Raid Team MS (GBO2)
federation ms is better in every sense except for aiming system.
Fed ms werent ms but gun tank with legs
The Guncannon seems to hit everything but the target even when it’s standing still.
the aiming system is not bad, the shell are supposed to be landed right there since its altilery canon, they destroy target with blast not direct hit.
the odd thing how the hell zaku are not gets destroyed?
zaku armor only design just to tank anti aircraft canon because that the only thing that can keep up with their speed, not altilery canon. in ms 08, that amount of blast could just destroy that zaku.
The Zaku was better than anything the federation had until the GM and Gundam came into existence
@@ilhamshobri461 that was _after_ the Battle of Loum, though, where Zeon stripped armor off of their MS since nukes aren't going to be used anymore.
they should've saw this coming, I mean, like the Guncannon's in the original series' side stories, those mobile suits are completely useless, those guys in Origin were complete armatures.
I thought Federation MSs didnt come out till late 0079?
The spikes on the Black Tri-Stars' helmets are awesome. Not sure if they were standard issued lol
Which series or movie was this again?
Ramba ral is the only one who is not a psychopath murder
2:07
A TIE fighter? what the heck?
Hail zeon ✋
Shocker the Black Tri Stars not listening to anyone.
Kind of sad they didn’t bring back the cast from the original dub
I love the amount of Feddie Cope in these comments.
I always hate how they show the feds to be absolutely dogshit at being pilots 😭They were not that bad man.
Its more to do with how new the federation was to having any mobile suits. It is a completely new type of military vehicle to them it would be like having a professional driver fly one of the first ever planes. He might have the same excellent reactions but if he cant instinctively translate them to the machine then hes out of luck. I would also imagine these early Guncannons would be extremely clunky to control.
Tem Ray says that the suits they were piloting were terrible. That's coming from the man that made the Grandpa Gundam
2:14 Son of a..................ZEON
What’s Hawkmoth doing piloting a mobile suit?
Guncannon Pilots Literally Have Skill Issue 💀
Leave it to Pinky the Traitor to mess everything up.
which gundam series was this from?
2:23 What thruster sound is that?
which gundam show is this from?
Do the guncannons shootfire?
Black Tri-Stars
ramba ral's ms isnt a zaku, thats a bugu
Which show is this?
Is this out on disk? What is the title? Thx in advance
What show is this from
What anime is this from?
What show is this from?
witch gundam is this i want to watch this
What gundam's series is it?
Anyone tell what the name of this is like the actual movie please
There's no way that was only 400 yards
what movie/ series is this clip from?
Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin
Players since beta vs. First time players
What series is this?
Yeah ❤
Thanks for uploading this boring "this side hits with every round and every hit is a kill, the other side doesn't hit ever and if it did, would have bounced on the armor" fight that has convinced me to put this... show in my "never bother" list.
getting into gundam, which one was this one?
Gundam the origin i think?
The Origin.
You should also check out the Manga. It's closer to Tomino's original plan.
Is this a remake of chars counterattack
No that take place after the one year war. This series is called mobile suit gundam the origin and takes place before the war.
What’s the name of this
Ral has the Bugu
whats the name of this gundam series or movie? I really like this art style and would like to watch it
Gundam the Origin
@@ss_louis1360 thank you
how it feels playing with a S- rank
Wait... guncannons? Really? Is there is knifeswords too?
What series or film is this??
gundam the orgin
Ramba Ral ❤
Which Gundam show is this?
Gundam the origin
fire and smoke in vacuum space?
shhhh dont question it it looks cool
more like some sort of a chemecal fuel that does not need oxygen to burn and it is pink-ish purple flame indicating a different kind of fire