Rebuilding & Rewinding a Garden Tractor Small Engine Stator Charging System
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In this video I rebuild and rewind a charging stator from an Onan CCK Engine out of a Simplicity 4040 Powermax Garden Tractor.
This is a single phase stator and the same procedure applies to all single phase stators using on small engines.
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This video has lots of information that books won't show you. So I know now that on a single phase starter each winding on a pole is done opposite from the other. Thanks!
I now know a lot more about how to repair these things! Nice! It's not rocket surgery, after all!
This was a awesome educational vid two thumbs up I can now build my own electric car motor now
I have changed a lot of stators in my time as a small engine tec. But never even thought about rewinding one. Heck of a job Norm and the next time I get an unavailable stator I'm going to give it a try.
Very greatful to have people like you doing this keeping these old tractors alive!
Well done Norman.
I appreciate the fact that you showed how to test the stator before, during and after the rewind.
It's great to see you demonstrate how to repair assemblies like this that many of us probably weren't even aware could be done.
I for one would not have even attempted to fix a stator until now but the next time I need to, I'll know what to do.
In the future electric pto rebuilds!
@@Isavetractors Yay lets do it!
@@Isavetractors they make different types of stators as far as amps go ..or are they a different type of windings or more wraps ??
That was awesome. Never knew this could be done. I had a 16 h.p. Kohler on an old Wheel Horse tractor that quit charging and had to replace this. That piece is very expensive. Thanks.
Good on you for doing all that work! I have a 3 phase with secondary winding. Over my head a bit
I've never seen that before , that was an awesome rebuild Norman !!!!!!!!!!!!
Very cool video Norman thanks for posting I always wanted to see this done
You just saved me 50$. I thought mine was done because of such a low resistance but that makes sense. I saw somebody ring it out a 300ohm, maybe a different model. Thanks!
Great. I've never seen that before. And I have an engine that needs this done to it. Thanks.
Great topic
Beautiful job you are a craftsman!!! I enjoy your videos very much..
Good job👍
Hi Norman,
Impressionnant 😱
Merci.
Somewhere I saw an idea for putting the wire through something like the barrel of that pen to use to lead the wire around the wraps
Great video thanks Norm
Great video! I have a few bad stators in need of repair....but not for long. I have been subscribed for a long time now, please keep the good content coming.
That looked intense! Love these videos. Very educational
Thanks for this videos, I’ve been waiting on it lol
Also a video going through the whole charging system, how it works and how to diagnose each part would be awesome
Great job as usual Norman. Keep up the good work. I have an old wheel horse my dad bought when I was 4. I am now 56. Needs a little TLC. I will be talking with you in the future when I get time. Busy building a homestead/farm right now!
Forest To Farm Very cool! I hope you can restore the ole Wheel Horse! That is a family treasure!
@@tractorhyatt7044 Yes it is. He had a heart attack when I was 8 and was one of the first ever open heart surgeries for its time. He lived until I turned 16 but in very poor health. I remember setting on his lap and steering that old tractor. We were close and talked often about starting our own farm/homestead while I was maybe 5 through 8 when he had the heart attack. He passed and we never got to make our dream come true but it lived on in me. I am now doing the farm/homestead with my son. Could not be happier. The dream lives on. That tractor means more to me than one could know. You can check out our youtube channel "Forest To farm". Following the build of our farm and at some point in the future we will restore that old tractor.
Terry
Forest To Farm What a touching story, thanks so much for sharing. The dream does live on through you and your son. I will be thrilled to check out your TH-cam channel! Hyatt
@@tractorhyatt7044 Thanks! Glad to have you. We are definitely taking the longer hard way of getting it done but we will succeed.
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Wow this is so interesting. Love this kind of content
Awesome job! I never knew this was something that could be done at home, learn something new everyday!
How's she goin'? That was a nice job and hard on the fingers I bet!!! Well done though!!! Way to go!!!
Yes very hard on the fingers!
Awesome.
Hey Norman, Awesome VIDEO! I thought I was the only nutcase who took the time and BS of rewinding stators until I found your site??? Awesome instructional post here for the do-it-yourselfer! Yes at the end I usually use a 2 part epoxy resin to seal the coils you can easily obtain at any auto parts store for fiberglass resin. Works like factory and cures very fast within 15-20 min depending on how much activator you add to the base resin. Thank you for posting this timely but informative video for the do it yourselfers out there. Have a great night Norman and again thanks for the information.
Nice demonstration. For minimizing the chance of creating a short to the stator while winding you might try wrapping each pole with some kapton tape.
Interesting I didn't even know you could rebuild those.
Great stuff ned, it's funny how some stuff is actually so simple.
Very impressive !!!
You should consider hosting a summer camp for local kids working on small engines. What could be more STEM than that? And you could make some extra money. Trade and skilled jobs are in demand!
good work and good teaching
good video 👍👏
Did not know that was even possible.... great video.
Awesome video
Ai avut ceva de muncă la bobinaj. Bravo😊❕
The Anderson US Patent show excess power output when winding 2 wires in same slots together as ratio of diameters magnet wire as 1 to 3 sizes. Magnets run 1st coil, magnets already rotating, 2nd coil receives field and outputs, the 1st coil energizes 2nd coil, power additive as no electric is induced to initiate running the alternator as in the car alternators fields .
nice job.
It looks like crazy Glueing the 1st 11 wraps To prevent sliding up the post When wrapping over the copper wire for the next Nine Wraps around a single post works besto prevent it from sliding up the post So you can start working on the next I'm using fiberglass resin to finish er up to seal it off I also crazy glued all corners of the 12 post and coated with epoxy fingernail polish once dry ez wrapping without it digging in to ground its self
Ahhhh!! These are an issue on so many of the CCK’s! Lots of guys put alternators on the pmax. I’ve seen some nice jobs done and a lot of hacks too. Kubota alternator seems to be the one to get. These stators are hard to find. Would there be a benefit from more turns? How much I wonder? Guess it could be a super stator with more turns. Another issue with these is missing magnets on the flywheel. Great video!
Ok I finished up on the 28 wraps I rechecked my dad's stator on his Johnson I read 0.9 same as the one I just rebuilt reading at 1.1- -0.9 installed it back on checked for ac voltage while cranking getting 5-10 volts ac I believe everything is working now I had trouble with the starter solenoid at first it got rained on throughout the year so soaked it in a little oil yesterday started working again so seems like everything's working out still not done I just wanted to check the voltage on it and that's normal while cranking I got to finish up on gas lines and getting everything back up for the wiring this motor is very very easy simple
Thanks for sharing ur knowledge. Great video in showing every step of the way. I got a3 phase stator for my Kawasaki ninja zx10r 04 that is bad bc no voltage is charging my battery. If u ever do a 3 phase stator let me know 😎
Nice video, Can you tell us what you ended up using for the two part epoxy ? I have 2 ccka stators that need rewinding. I have watched many videos on rewinding motorcycle stators , yours was much easier to relate to....
A couple ways you can guarantee no short to grounds is to use pieces of heat shrink tubing on the "posts" of the stator before winding it, or dip each "post" in Plasti-Dip first and let it dry.
Norman, you have the patience of a SAINT! Can I send you some starter’s to rebuild? I have (3) Gravely tractors, an 8122, an 8123G, an 816, and a Kubota 5200 HST, with the D600 series Diesel engine. Out of 4 mowers, I have 1 that runs! (right now)
Thanks Norman for the very informative video. I have an old Wisconsin TJD that has an internal ground connection halfway between the two stator output wires. My separate regulator (YJ60) and separate rectifier module (YJ68) are both bad but the stator outputs 46 VAC when running, Can you recommend an all in one regulator-rectifier module to use and how to wire it up to my center tapped stator windings? Thanks very much
Just a fantastic video. Only two comments, use a dremel with a sanding disk to round off the square edges of the stator core as the fear of a wire shorting on a corner is unbearable. Lastly, I dont like that pigtail solder joint, you want those leads streamlined.
Great video Norman. would adding a turn or two increase output , just wondering.
Perfect timing with this video Norman !! I'm getting ready to rebuild the stator on my B43G...
Question:
Mine is currently a 15amp... can increase the output to 20amp? Is it more windings?
Any input would be valued.
As always.... appreciate your videos and knowledge.
For more amps you would need more poles
Well then that settles that !!!
I'll see if I can find one on the Ebay !!
Thank you !!
David feinberg I think you need a new flywheel and voltage regulator to increase the output.
@@rydplrs71 no way, you just use a bigger size wire and add a couple more turns.
Hi Norman, awesome video! It was exactly what I was looking for and it was very thorough. I I just have one question - did the beginning and end of the wire get soldered together to the stranded wire, or was it soldered to a separate stranded wire? Thanks!
The wires are soldered to their own separate stranded wire. Thanks for your compliments!
Very cool Norman. Do you have any idea how many bosses I've had over the last 35 years that would tell me something like this should take about 10 minutes? Just one reason I retired;-) STILL no snow here in Detroit,but still deciding on a design for a snow cab for the old GT 6000.
If I wanted a higher output, would it be as simple as adding more passes of the winded copper? In your case instead of wrapping 20 passes per pole, could possibly do 30-40 passes per pole?
Norman can you please tell me what is the depth of the oil pan from the part line attaching the engine block to the bottom of the oil pan
That looks like exactly the same stator used on old Mercury inline 6 outboards
What happens if you don't alternate the poles when wraping?
What happens if you increase or decrease the number of windings around the poles?
Is it compulsory to have equal amount of turns in each pole? Can you explain?
Norman, Did you put 10 rounds on each pole all the way around then make a second pass with another 10.
Or did you put 20 on each and make one pass around ? Would there be an electrical change one way or the other?
Output of 36V how many batteries does the tractor have?
If what went on is the same as what came off, it must work.
20 wraps each pole in the first go around. So I wrapped up the pole 10 turns then down the pole 10 turns then moved onto the next one. Keep in mind this is AC current. This is what it puts out before it hits the rectifier which will turn it to DC and make it charge in the charging range of 14 to 15 volts DC
@@Isavetractors Thank you so much, ny electric knowledge is don't poke a fork in the toaster.
great video , you might wanna make a rig like we use for winding fishing line on a real , lot faster for rewinding the stators , also i seen the loose clothing when you started the engine , thats a no-no , you dont want to be a statistic do you ? shop rule #4 no loose clothing to get caught in a. machine
You're totally right. I didnt realize my sleeve became unbuttoned until I reviewed the video. Yikes! I kept the clip in there to show the test but debated not including the shot.
I found a spool of 18g copper magnet wire on Amazon. It is 100 ft.. Watching this video I am estimating that it took between 50 and 60 feet to rewind that stator. Do you think that is a close estimate, or do you know how much wire it took for this stator? Thanks Greg
Can't we get higher voltage by using smaller gauge wire, so that each POLE has more turns that react with the rotating magnets. Then the 2 ends can be hooked to bridge rectifier for double current. There is a Briggs unit with red and black wires that has double wires wound in same poles that may deliver more power, as per the Anderson US Patent.
I have taken my stator out of a 4041 and it has three wires. Have you ever rewound one? Do you sell the rectifier/regulator that is on this tractor?
Thanks for the video, i think i blew my stater. I had my Wheelhorse in a parade pulling a trailer and i had an inverter running and a smoke machine. now it wont charge. Do you think it blew this or something else? I think i may try this! Also, would thicker wire increase the output?
Thicker wires increases potential current output
where did you find the roll of copper wire?
Same place you find everything else, AMAZON! =)
This looked like it would be easy until about 10:00 in
Norman, how'd you connect the diodes to the stator? Just asking.
No diodes here. It goes to a rectifier which turns it into DC
What did you do with the beginning wire end?
Soldered it to stranded wire and connecting female space terminal
I have to rebuild the Harley Davidson XL1200C 2004 stator and I wonder what kind of wires should I use? with insulator or without ?
You need to use insulated copper wire
Well my stator wining gave it was a 20 gauge not 18 that's where I messed up now I'm trying to do it again 😞 with 18 now I'm having a issue with the first wrap of 10 and over the 10 again on top the first wrap of 10 wants to sleeve up and off the post crazy glue the first 10 down? This is a big old 1961 v6 daul coil motor pic is on profile pic
I need to rewind one of the 3 phases of a stator from an outboard. After removing , cleaning and repairing the insulation on the laminate core I'm ready to rewind, but the 50 meters of 1 mm wire I ordered came in 5 rolls of 10 meters each. Is it possible to do one pole at a time and solder the wire between poles or is it best to order a longer wire to wind it without interruptions. Thanks for your input
It's better to do one long wire.
@@Isavetractors would it be better to use a slightly thicker wire?
@@Isavetractors would it be better to use a slightly thicker wire?
@@Isavetractors I also don't know how should I connect the end leads to that hair thin wire, should I just solder the thin wire to the thicker lead? This is the first time I do this, pardon my ignorance
For the ends you can solder them to braided copper wire like I do here. To keep it all the same as before you should use the same diameter wire and wind to a similar number of windings
Does your lawn mower have a rectifier reason why I'm asking is because I was thinking about to do the same amount of winding my post at 12 posts just like yours but mine had 28 windings so I don't know if this will work compared to 20 winds what I'm working on does have a rectifier but it is a V6 larger motor
Yes this engine has a rectifier. It would work the same as yours.
@@Isavetractors okay I'm doing the 28 wind again the epoxy I guess the epoxy too high on the wires and it got smashed just got around this year to start doing it again I'm assuming the 12 post as for math wise 12+20 =32v 12+28=40vac 12 for the post and the rest for wrap
What is your opinion and a sears suburban 12. Are they good and Dependable or just another garden tractor that is going to disappoint you in the long run. I found one on our local craigslist with a loader and we are looking at it because we have a 24 acre farm and we are looking to use it cleaning our sheep and goat pens. Do you think it would work for that purpose.
Also great videos and lots of helpful tips.
The Sears Suburban 12 is a fine machine, but for a loader, it is short, so you may find it uncomfortable to get in and out of it frequently. The gear shift transmission may also get a little old. But other than that, it would be great for cleaning out pens. I would prefer a hydrostatic transmission machine though. You can always remove the loader and put it on something else in the future.
@@Isavetractors Ok we might look into a different garden tractor to put it on then. Thanks Norman
What would you recomend to put it on then
How long was that wire?
I am not sure. I take them off a few hundred foot spool I have.
why do you alternate the winding on each pole?
To produce alternating current
Do you still reply to your comment section thanks?
I appreciate the video but you didn't say much about the condition of the plastic cover or insulation that's on each pole.
Did it charge?
Yes it did. It's at the end of the video
You don't need to be so neat about the wire wrapping as you have a lot of space between the poles,
and as others suggested, you should put some insulation around the pole before wrapping it.
Without that, the wire insulation will eventually break through and short.
Can you do the. Same thing to an electric pro.
Yes
Do you think you will make a video on that someday
Hi Norman, I’m subscribed to you by junkman6261 and I love your videos. I have a power king tractor that I’m trying to get running and have discovered my stator has old rotten wires as far as the braided wires are concerned. Mine is the 15 amp with two extra coils for breakerless ignition. Do you rebuild stators for customers? If so what would your price be? If I try it what wire should I get and what should I use to protect current wires that the insulative coating may have come off of? eBay doesn’t show any new coils matching mine and I don’t want to spend a lot of money for something that is just as old as mine. Thank you for any help.
Daniel
Send us an email on our website and I can guide you
Do you have any carb spacers for my K341? I need a circle ⭕️ one to get my filter out from the carb so the backing plate clears my coil
I don't sorry. I suggest moving the coil, or making a spacer out of plastic or something
I vote to move the coil. Relocating to the firewall on gt’s seems to improve life.
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Would this work on a V6 outboard motor it is a 1963
Yes it would as long as it's a single wound stator like this
@@Isavetractors it had 30 rounds on the first post and 28 on the rest but it was wound just like that just not 20
I just did 28 on every single post including the first one only because I don't know if the previous owner tinkered with it by the way it is a 1963 motor I'm assuming it needs a lead gas/additive with some racing fuel or octane booster it's a V6 as well this is the last step I have to do to get this motor running
Yes it's a 2 wire single wound just like that I just don't know if I can do 20 like yours does your lawn mower have a rectifier
It is also a 12 Post stator just like yours everything's like identical I don't know how thick it is but I don't know if that matters
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Too much work. I would buy one already done. To each his own.
This really is for NLA parts such as this 40 year old Onan CCK engine. You cant buy them anymore
Just an idea on spares but you might try contacting some of the more mom and pop Thermo King dealers in you areas. Gasoline engines from Onan and Wisconsin were in daily use on transport freezers back in the days before diesel powered Yanmar and Isuzu models. Middle East and Far East is full of this legacy stuff. AENLD, CCK, RCCK etc.