@@aggrospud7698 artosis is a godlike reader - shoulda seen him read all the great names decades ago. poopfeaster 420, bigdongcompany and mister fister 69 remember.
I saw a video once talking about mirror matches in fighting games and it mentioned how mirror matches are always 5:5 matchups by definition, but that they're not always "good" matchups for the character in question. they made the point that matchups are defined by how well your character can deal with the other character's tools, and how well the other character can deal with your character's tools, and that some characters can't really deal with their own tools so you end up with very bizarre mirror matches. I feel like the same kinda applies to brood war zvz, it's kinda like zerg doesn't have the tools to deal with its own stuff like terrans and protoss do lol
In best of x series like this, it would be nice to have an overlay with the score and actual names. I find myself losing track of who's who in mirrors, especially when they're playing with an alias.
He guessed the 3rd base and hit almost the exact right time to hit it before any spores could go up or the gas mining could make a difference, and still just lost the attack anyway
Feedback: For these tournament matches, I wish we had player cards (e.g. "HyuN" instead of his cryptic account name) and match scores. I particularly miss those in mirror matches.
Spoiler: It went to the seventh game, but because it's zvz all those games had a total of 25minutes of gametime, 2 hours of commercials, zvz is not my cup of tea, first 4 minutes of the game is copypasta, and 2 min of interesting moves to decide the game.
24:41 Can someone explain to me how the hell Hyun lost that mutalisk battle after the scourge did all that damage to Miso's mutalisks? What am I missing? Did Miso shoot the scourge down before they hit? Did I miss an upgrade? They weren't even microing...
Thinking about that game when Flash went random, got zerg, then double offensive sunken on Larva. What made those spaces unstoppable (according to Queen), that can't be otherwise replicated on other maps? They were pretty deep onto creep, not teasing the edge like this one. Just watching this game, the sunken play felt like a huge mistake. If you're pressuring with an offensive sunken (outside of the range of theirs), and rather than defending while the offensive sunken builds, you're attacking first into their defense before the creep colony is even made. What is the point of a putting a sunk there at all?
> What made those spaces unstoppable (according to Queen), that can't be otherwise replicated on other maps? You can't replicate your opponent going hatch first against 1 hatch lair while building zero zerglings because they're non-functional units because of egg walls blocking the paths between the bases.
@@b0lt191 ohhhh yea... I did forget it was a hatch first, also. But noone needs that many eggs on a map. I think they found just the right amount of neutral eggs and where to place them for the maps. Those Plasma and Inner Coven storm eggs can just stay archived, lol. Thanks!
@@aaronlindsey2219 youtube literally pops 1 random comment under the video before you click on it on mobile. It ended up being his. I'm not that ticked off about bring spoiled. I'm simply pointing out how retarded he is by bitching about titles while spoiling for people which is worse. Need me to draw it up for you or is it simple enough to understand now?
Let me go on a long rant about pianos and organs and what they are called in germany as a reply to your question about what people call things in the US
@@Manulebassiste This is quickiest, most merciless matchup in entire SC, there is no room for experimentation, you need to be very quick and very precise there is no coming back from lossing a single drone.
Hello my fellow dorks. Im a PROUD statcraft brood war junkie. MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
I see artosis post, I watch artosis post, he reads this comment on the can
Plot twist: you are watching this on the can
I am
The cycle of life continues ❤
Artosis can't read. That's why his twitch chats are read out loud by the bot.
@@aggrospud7698 artosis is a godlike reader - shoulda seen him read all the great names decades ago. poopfeaster 420, bigdongcompany and mister fister 69 remember.
I saw a video once talking about mirror matches in fighting games and it mentioned how mirror matches are always 5:5 matchups by definition, but that they're not always "good" matchups for the character in question. they made the point that matchups are defined by how well your character can deal with the other character's tools, and how well the other character can deal with your character's tools, and that some characters can't really deal with their own tools so you end up with very bizarre mirror matches. I feel like the same kinda applies to brood war zvz, it's kinda like zerg doesn't have the tools to deal with its own stuff like terrans and protoss do lol
These rushes have sunken.
Sunk cost fallacy for sure
Thanks RT for casting. Much love.
In best of x series like this, it would be nice to have an overlay with the score and actual names. I find myself losing track of who's who in mirrors, especially when they're playing with an alias.
between this and the ASL finals I've had my fill of ZvZ for the year, LOL ggs
He guessed the 3rd base and hit almost the exact right time to hit it before any spores could go up or the gas mining could make a difference, and still just lost the attack anyway
I was so surprised and thought the spores would make up a big part of the battle
Feedback: For these tournament matches, I wish we had player cards (e.g. "HyuN" instead of his cryptic account name) and match scores. I particularly miss those in mirror matches.
Got caught up watching ASL finals tastosis cast.
Spoiler: It went to the seventh game, but because it's zvz all those games had a total of 25minutes of gametime, 2 hours of commercials, zvz is not my cup of tea, first 4 minutes of the game is copypasta, and 2 min of interesting moves to decide the game.
@@Zyzyx442 watching live would have been a snoozefest, but watching the VOD made it an actually interesting finals.
@@Zyzyx442 bro how come u dont want her to be your mesh for the night?
24:41 Can someone explain to me how the hell Hyun lost that mutalisk battle after the scourge did all that damage to Miso's mutalisks? What am I missing? Did Miso shoot the scourge down before they hit? Did I miss an upgrade? They weren't even microing...
ZvZ is so unpredictable that i enjoy it!
Cute zerglings playing tag. So wholesome.
11 year old me in 2v2v2v2 BGH
player makes early sunken in my base
"are you fren?"
no reply
..player was not fren
Trigger warning: sunken colonies that some may find to be offensive
lol 2:06 who was that. could you try the whole cast like this? lol
Thx ❤
Thinking about that game when Flash went random, got zerg, then double offensive sunken on Larva. What made those spaces unstoppable (according to Queen), that can't be otherwise replicated on other maps? They were pretty deep onto creep, not teasing the edge like this one.
Just watching this game, the sunken play felt like a huge mistake. If you're pressuring with an offensive sunken (outside of the range of theirs), and rather than defending while the offensive sunken builds, you're attacking first into their defense before the creep colony is even made. What is the point of a putting a sunk there at all?
He was already dead
> What made those spaces unstoppable (according to Queen), that can't be otherwise replicated on other maps?
You can't replicate your opponent going hatch first against 1 hatch lair while building zero zerglings because they're non-functional units because of egg walls blocking the paths between the bases.
@@b0lt191 ohhhh yea... I did forget it was a hatch first, also. But noone needs that many eggs on a map. I think they found just the right amount of neutral eggs and where to place them for the maps. Those Plasma and Inner Coven storm eggs can just stay archived, lol. Thanks!
Group D was WILD!
Arty!!!❤❤❤
In that first game, would have made any difference if he didnt attack with the lings while the sunken was just starting?
Love it
What a scary player Miso is, damn.
Wrong Starcraft version was chosen in the category of this video
i wish the meta would change somehow to make ZvZ interesting
I feel like if artosis was a zerg player then every zerg matchup would annoy him
Thumbnail baited me in. Im very disappointed
It's slack they don't bother making the small effort to switch to their real ID. Caster Muse should enforce it.
ICQ reference LOL wow you are OLD Arty.
late cool beans
I hate these titles like "MASS QUEENS IN ZVZ!!1!" or "DOUBLE E-BAY IN TVT?" and then the player who performs that stuff get wrecked.
You know whats worse? When a complete jackass with no friends decides to spoil those matches in the comments
@@BoredLikeHelIwho goes into the comments first thing when starting the video?
@@BoredLikeHelI yeah, tell me what was last time you've seen a pro match where player with unusual strategy wins.
@@aaronlindsey2219 youtube literally pops 1 random comment under the video before you click on it on mobile. It ended up being his.
I'm not that ticked off about bring spoiled. I'm simply pointing out how retarded he is by bitching about titles while spoiling for people which is worse. Need me to draw it up for you or is it simple enough to understand now?
@@John-mn3gl you really aren't thay bright are you
HE SAID ICQ!!!! HE SAID ICQ!!! did you all even care about ICQ in the US though? I thought you all used AOL or something
Let me go on a long rant about pianos and organs and what they are called in germany as a reply to your question about what people call things in the US
"uh oh" high pitch voice
lmao, clickbait on a tactic that failed immediately. ggs
I love the vids man! First comment. Keep them coming.
ZvZ is boring as hell
worst mirror
I wish he'd just go ahead and rip out the burp, rather than keep talking in that voice so many times.
: )
i really want a new ZvZ meta... i cant believe these zerg pros play 10 hours a day and a third of it is muta zerg vs muta zerg
Why wouldn't someone go spore colonies and hydras against this?
@@Manulebassiste This is quickiest, most merciless matchup in entire SC, there is no room for experimentation, you need to be very quick and very precise there is no coming back from lossing a single drone.
@@arivald6677you areabsolutely right. And that's why it is so cool too :) if they go mirror builds it all comes to the skill.
@@Manulebassiste because hydras suck vs lings and mutas
@@Manulebassiste Because spores cost drones and you have like 10 drones for the entire game
better zvz than the asl finals haha
That was offencive to me.