The Japanese had something similar, the wakashu. Most of the famous samurai had a wakashu, a boy between around 12 and 20. Then there are the dancing boys of some Turkish cultures.
@larscarter7406 Do you ever think that the trauma experienced by these kids is a product of OUR cultural mores? We tell them they are victims of a crime that our society thinks is worse than murder. A boy growing up in a place where such a "relationship" is considered a good way to advance in society, like Japanese wakashu, or a society where they are honoured like rock stars, like the Turks, will likely not be damaging, merely distasteful. I think our societal reaction traumatizes those boys far more than the act itself. Doesn't mean we should accept it, much less legalize it, but I think we should deal with it differently to avoid traumatizing our boys further.
@@wfcoaker1398 maybe. A kid jumps from place to place just playing, learning and growing. They are not making lifelong decisions about anything really and are learning to accept the way things are. We usually try to teach them what's right and what's wrong as they grow up. Then someone comes along and says you've been permanently damaged and traumatized. The adults are always right so they are permanently damaged and traumatized from then on. I could be wrong though. I haven't been in that situation.
You know, at one time in ancient history, maybe even before rome, there was a gay army that was so fearsome that it might have prevented wars from happening between city states for a long time. They all were afraid to attack it. Everyone knew that lovers would fight to the death to protect their lover. Look it up.😊
All I have to say about it is that sex is good! Put labels on it and it becomes labeled. Having sex should be agreed upon, yes! It's only between the two agreeing partners to decide if they are willing to have sex. Nobody else.😊
Generations of Adults from young Adult ages at 18 always did ask that Big Million Pounds Question about Sex and ages. It depends on the Age of the young Adult and any younger Children under that age. 18 is as it always has been for generations at and starts at age 18 and not any younger age under that by law. Young Adults start at 18 but there sex Hormones are going Absolutely 💯 Positive Radio Rental into Super Warp Speed Overdrive very fast Speedway. PUBERTY as it comes to us all before our Adult Life's even start. Both Men and Woman that is. And Women are Females who are Born as Baby Girls and are then Children with Childhood Innocence Beauty before there Adult life's then starts at age 18. Adults having sex intercourse with other Adults is part of life and as long as its not only the one Adult wants it very badly from using Filth Disgusting Unacceptable Dangerous Inappropriate, Harm Painful Pain Force towards other Adults and even to Children. That's only spreading The same towards many family's with Babies and very young Children without fail. It's Nothing Human ever. Learning and teaching youngsters to accept what only will take over damage destroy and cause serious dangerous Destruction Construction. Putting Children into and through a Nightmare Of He'll and Horror. That's nothing of Real True Human Humanity Heart Spirit and Soul as we was Born with at Birth. It's like a Monster out on a RAMPAGE dangerous and way on far beyond Human Humanity control. We don't ever feed on only what does Change us from our insides. On what will take away all of our Humanity. We're then not Human Anymore guaranteed. Generations of Adults Men and Women in and around this World can't and don't look at Sex Knowledge understanding the same way as us many others who do. Same as Friendship isn't only about Sex after and sex madness. There's real true Friendship guaranteed 💯 Positive without any fail or doubt comes with Nothing to do with involving Sex as many believe. Haven't you Heard of B F F. American Children have that for a real True Friendship that's beyond Priceless and its a real true Guaranteed Unbreakable Friendship. There's no other like it anywhere in any lifetime. It comes with a Solid Strong Firm Connection Foundation Bond OF Love between 2 friends of 2 Girls and 2 Boys. Again it's nothing about having sex period. Something many Adults can't and don't Register into there Brains. Poor Lack of knowledge understanding that is. And you wonder why far to many Children fall into very Dangerous Territory with Dangerous Adults who don't care and who they harm and hurt or if its Adults and very young Children there doing it to. There's your real Monsters. They sometimes start of at home in the house causing Harm Pain Abuse towards there Family and even hurt harm there Pets Animals without any Human Humanity inside them. Special Friendship is great longs it's not involving anything of Dangerous Harm pain He'll and Horror Abuse. Sex isn't the Bother Problem Issue it's the one doing the harm by Force. Sex and realionship is on what and how you see and take from it. Remember Children aren't Born as Adults. And how many Adults believe and treat Children like there Adults.
The age of acceptable intergenerational relationships was 12 up to 17. OR ended when the kid needed his first shave (NOT a full beard!) whichever came first. These illustrations are misleading. A trove of literature and illustrations are available depicting who these boys were. Ganymede, probably the most historically recognized (A large moon is named after him) Greek boy was 12 when he was abducted by Zeus to be the cupbearer to the gods. Outside of polite social pretense about mentorship and education for these boys (one doesn't learn much as a waiter at Bachanalian fests) Ganymede was chosen for his "Great beauty" Apparently a boy so beautiful he stultified the gods. Other 12-13 year-old boys longed for a heroic man in their lives, sexual relations were a given, and parents approved if the man chosen was of good character and reputation.
@@kylegoble1519 "Loving boys" has nothing to do with it. I teach history - graduated from a school whiose motto is "Veritas." The truth is merely the truth and does not necessarily speak to one's psychosocial predilictions. It is presumptuous to assume.
American hero John Paul Jones went to sea at the age of 12, growing up in a 100% male environment. British legend Admiral Horatio Nelson also joined the Navy at 12. Thomas Jefferson was sent to live with his tutor William Douglas, who taught Jefferson Latin, French, and the rudiments of Greek when Jefferson was nine years old. Many of the world's greatest champions were the product of their relationships with men as boys. This was the history of the world once - every Knight had a Squire, every ship had numerous boys, and much of Europe's economy was based on the apprentice system for the most of the trades. Today, in America, a man would be suspect if he showed any interest in a boy, and arrested if he said Hello. Boys are taught that men are dangerous and parents are downright paranoid regarding such relationships. And while their concerns are valid, (Thanks to the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church.) Unmentored boys rarely grow up to be outstanding men in today's culture. A woman can raise a boy, but she can't raise a man. If he has no father at home, a boy will inveitably find a surrogate somehow, somewhere along the line.
It was not that weird... it simply preceded the Judeo-Christian antipathy to all things sexual (outside marriage). The Greek Gods were a horny group, seducing all manner of men, women and even animals (Leda and the Swan). If the Gods could have intercourse with everyone, why wouldn't the faithful follow siut? The Spartans were an incredible fighting force, and the secret of tehir success was that each soldeir had a lover who fought beside him in battle. This motivated tehm to fight harder to protect their loved ones; Alexander teh Great's two major love interests were both male... he was married three times, but twice it was with cnoquered peoples as a ay to cement the loyalty of a beaten foe, and thethird was his Greek wife who was thereto give him an heir ot the throne. What is truly weird is how moodern societies preach that same-(sex relatons, especially with adolescents, is not only illegal but harmful to the young. They never seem to grasp teh fact that for centuries the ancients had such dallainces and nobody seems to have been traumatized at all.
It used to be like that, maybe the first time I had sex with my friend was the reason we couldn't get rid of it, we were like we were stuck together. But, it was more sexual for him and he was hurtful as a person and yet I got more attached to him, and finally after many years I was able to end the relationship, and despite everything he did I still miss him sometimes, it's like a part of him stayed inside me, it can't be taken back
When I was 13 and my friend was 12, we experimented, and you're right; our bond is strong. Although we stopped at age 15, we have been close ever since. We are in our 50s now, and I named my daughter after him, and he named his son after me. I have 6 children and 11 grandchildren. He has 5 children and 12 grandchildren. The last time we saw each other we don't say anything but I know what he's thinking LOL
An ephebos was a draftee doing his military service from the ages of 20 to 21. The first year was in barracks near their home. The second year what in a fort on a border.
One has to understand that as late as the First World War, - especially among certain classes - that, in the Euro-North American social world (among others), a 15 year old was culturally understood to be 'a man' though as we see here (as we today broaden our ontology and taxonomy of gender/gender personae), so in the ancient world there were different ontologies of 'man-ness."
Even in the 1940s there were marriages at 13 and 14. Boys and girls were considered adults at that age This age of consent is fairly new. Even in the 70s nobody really cared about the ages
Well, Ancient Greece was a males society, with women confined to the home and actually unavailable for sex outside marriage. It was also a warriors society in which military and physical training was central. The young men / older men relationship was part of this training, in which each young trainee at about 16 would be mentored by an older guy of 20+, while case of much older men having young boyfriends was apparently much more limited. The young trainee/mentor relationship was not always sexual and, when it was, it could limited to touching of jerking off (spartan were apparently particularly prude) but here too we don’t really know the proportion of these relationships which were also really sexual. Now my personal view is that maybe what was specific to Greek culture was the obsession with the male body because it was a warriors society practicing heavy and constant military training. Their there is a sort of esthetic view on the mal body, which is different to a sexual view of it, which is why it is probable that not the many relationships were sexual, even taking into account the unavailability of women. We also need to remember that to be a warrior also meant to get married and get sons to provide a new generation of warriors to the city. In truth, we don’t really know the extent of real gay sex among Greek warriors. 1 thing to be noticed is the Theban gay regiment called the Sacred Band constituted of 150 males couples was famous for being this, ie a gay army unit. That seems to tell us that, if gay relationships between warriors was respected, it was fairly unusual. Disclosure: I am gay myself
@ probably not. It was a male warrior based society in which strong bonds between men was essential and there were various degrees of intimacy in these relationships. Yes, not sure they would label them as such
In a subcutaneous sense, many contemporary cultures quietly press on with ancient habits and traditions. Human societies cannot be judged by the ignorant and repressive morality of the U.S.
Voltaire had a famous answer for this: “He was my equal in beauty, a paragon of grace and charm, sparkling with wit, and burning with love. I adored him to distraction, to the point of idolatry: I loved him as one can never love twice.” ― Voltaire, Candide
We like to tell ourselves that our contemporary society is so much more advanced and superior than ancient civilizations, it's kind of nice to be taken off our high horse every once in a while.
Women are different not inferior. Yet the Greeks were right about one thing. Women use men to get what women want. If a man wants real love, or real pleasure? It takes another man to give a man these things. I feel sorry for truely heterosexual men, whom will never know just how good love and sex can be. I had my first love affair with a man, more like a Spartan. They called it abuse, but all we felt for each other was love. When he was exposed for loving me? He lost everything, was completely ostracized by his family. So, he committed suicide. I cried and cried when he died. But never dared to tell anyone why his death hurt so bad. Thirty years later, gay sex became legal. So now I'm free to take a Male lover. Only minors are treated more like animals than rational human beings. How old, does one need to be to fall in love? Pediophila is a mental illness, it's not love. There are lots of lovers who have a significant age difference. What's right about treating minors, more like pets than people?
so sorry u and ur lover had to go through that , as bi female i understand both the perspectives and at the end i realized soul connection is not restricted by gender, at least for me , not all men are abusers or cheaters neither r all women gold diggers or dumb, it just depends on ur preference
EE-FEE-BOES! Latin uses long vowel sounds, not soft or round ones. Plural = Ee-fee-bo-i There is a theory that the modern word BOY actually comes from efeboi through the Germanic word boi which apparently and with due reason originates in the Latin efeboi, and the efe portion was transmuted into effeminate, which is entirely likely.
@@hape3862 True. I confused efebos and efebus. Efebus is the Latin version. Pronunciations doesn't change much though. Any, in fact? I'm not up on Greek.
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In what respect were they ghastly? If the video author had used original Greek illustrations of the era regarding this practice, it would be much more graphic.
I was 35 when I met my partner in Brazil. He was 14. Hewas not going to school bc he had to work. We fell in love. I spoke to his mother (the father had keft her with 4 kids) and I told her the story. I told him that to be eith me he had to go to school and I would provide for the family. Today, 30 years later, he is an ingeneer and we are still together. We have a well known company. All his tamily loves us and I am sure that some of the anti gay and anti ephebo neighbours envy him very much. ❤
Just remembeer, if you lived back then you could die from a toothache. In 453, Attila the Hun died of a nose bleed. Women routinely died giving birth. It was not paradise.
@@StephenRyder-w3q Oh, I didn't say I would stay. I'd travel back for a few weeks a year, then come back. Hey, if I have a time machine, I'm gonna get as much out of it as possible. 😉😉
@@kennethwilliams4874 My personal Time Machine is best operated at night when I am about to fall asleep. It comes with an owner's manual that emphasizes avoiding frequent use. There are places in the world where the past still lives - with the important virtues of modern medical care. It's important to concentrate on the present and the future so that travel - real or imagined - can be facilitated. Can't do that while dreaming about better days gone by.
Adolescents do have sexuality and want to gain sexual experiences. Adolescents can be abused tricked or blackmailed by bad actors but adolescents may also benefit from a relationship with mature men. I dont consider sex between men of different ages to be inheritly sinful but it can be. And I strongly disagree with the popular view that young adults between 14 and 18 years old are "children". They are quite inexperienced but to call pedophilia relationship with someone who have pubes and masturbates daily is crazy. I believe we should leave people alone. It is their life and feelings and not our business unless there is coercion or violence involved. I am more worried about young people exposing themselves naked online without clear understanding of the consequences. The paradox is that online activities are harmless to one's body. You cant get hurt or pregnant or catch a disease. But you cant control the spread of your images and personal data. Only when we develop mechanism some kind of AI to scour the web looking for our personal data and ban it if we wish not to be seen, only then we can partially protect ourselves. Partially because data can be spread on VHS or other media outside the internet. Or may be we just need to cultivate an attitude not to care about our naked images being everywhere. But I dont think we need to abolish privacy and intimacy at the same time. So it looks like this will be a forever issue. Like abortion. Or like "god". What will happen to the young mind if they want privacy but get exposed to the internet. How are they gonna deal with it. This is an issue i am more concerned about.
@@spiccato_s But then, should there be some kind of test to determine whether a particular person is or is not mature enough to make their own decisions? I'm just wondering how this might be approached.
@@kennethwilliams4874 The ignoramii in the judicial system make me sick. If the amateur physiologists in the justice system say that the brain of a 14 year-old is not sufficiently "mature" to say "YES!" to a sexual proposition, wouldn't it also be insufficiently mature to say "No!"?
Didnt Rome have similar practices? I'd imagine if Rome didnt have a series of psychos as leaders the empire would have lasted a bit longer. I'm not saying it was perfect by any means. But certain sexual preferences would have been more cultivated instead of demonized. Philosophy still can balance out the more base human desires such as greed and lust.
Yes, most certainly - especially among Patrician families. 12-year-old boy prostitutes occupied the fornixes (arches on the outside) of the colloseum with their togas hitched up at the rear to display their goods. We get the word "Fornication" from this
Yes, boys were a frequent choice for sex in ancient Rome. The little guys prostituted themselves daily at the coliseum, habitating the fornices (arches) which are the outer ring of the architecture. They wore their short Togas (Toga praetexta, a white toga with a purple border worn by freeborn boys until they reached puberty. The purple border was called the latus clavus.) hitched up in the back to reveal the assets (no pun intended) available. Roman men frequented those fornices and that's where the word "Fornication" comes from. Females were also available there.
I'm afraid you used a Latin plural¹ (-i) on a Greek noun. The plural of έφηβος (EPHĒBOS) is έφηβοι (EPHĒBOI.) ¹Latin 2nd declination nominative masculine plural is -i.
@kennethwilliams4874 rape wasn't a big back then because it was expected and children these days have a say. I've been told that I was fortunate as a child because of all the adults I played with didn't force themselves on me.
@@cedricksamaniego9146 Thank you Cedrick, so it's not always necessarily rape. Children can have a say, which means they can say yes, correct? We can't say that a person has a choice, and then only allow one choice.
@kennethwilliams4874 in most countries, it's considered rape regardless on concent. I never told because my fun would have stopped. I reached puberty early and I loved getting milked dry whenever I wanted.
The American,public educational system is fraught with lies and concealment. Political correctness and religious dogma rules - and both betray the truth at every opportunity
Except for the fact 40 year old men are having sex with children. There policy on protecting there young children from inappropriate contact is something we can learn about today
@@endor8witch It's not a fantasy if you live in Brazil or e.g. Germany, where age of consent is 14. You can go for it and it will all legal. It is funny that for the same actions, you would get lengthy jail sentence in the USA + would be in the publicly accessible offender list for life.
Anyone who has reached puberty is not a "child" according to the dictionary and common sense. Post-pubescent minors have been known as "Adolescents" for hundreds of years. The word "adolescence" was first used in the 15th century. It comes from the Latin word adolescere, which means "to grow up or to grow into maturity". However, the concept of adolescence as a distinct phase of human development is credited to American psychologist G. Stanley Hall, who published his work Adolescence in 1904. Hall is also known as the father of Adolescent Psychology. In his work, Hall described many aspects of adolescence, including bodily growth and mood swings. MY fellow Americans, impaled on the horns of feminism, get dumber every year. Adolescents are simply the horniest people on earth - jog your guilt-ridden memories, hypocrites.
This is why the three different terms exist: paedophile, hebephile, and ephebophile, all relating to different stages of maturity. However, in modern society they usually get bundled into one - "Paedophile." The etymology is always interesting, though. However, the principal difference is always the same. The abuse is one of power and it is the inexperience of youth, which puts them at greater risk and vulnerability. This is why both legally and morally, regardless of the apparent "attraction" or desire of the younger (weaker) of the two, it is the moral duty of the elder (the Mentor) to appropriately guide the relationship safely. For example, there is a huge difference between a relation between 25 year old and 30 year old (both experienced adults) compare to a 17 year old and a 12 year old, even though the number of years is the same. People might make comparisons with ancient Greek culture, but 2500 years is a long time for society to change value systems. Even when people harp on about "Democracy" most forget (or don't know) that all Greek Citizens were involved in it. But not all Greeks were citizens: neither slaves or women. And interested vid, but I agree with a comment I read that the Ai images were a little creepy in places.
Did your team do any research on this topic or just rely on an AI for the images and misleading facts??? I'm part greek myself and know a little bit about my Greek Heritage and some historical social practices. Please do better next time when you talk about another peoples historic cultural practices and show some respect for that culture by doing some fact checking, that's all I ask. Oh, and one more thing, don't use misleading or click-bait words in your titles like "The boy toys of ancient Greece" it isn't nice to misrepresent the facts and not all Mentorships were sexual in nature. I don't know what the percentage would've been but it wasn't as prevelant as your video suggests....
It's obvious that you "know a little bit" about ancient Greece. Being thin-skinned about historical facts does nothing to fortify your argument. The supercillious application of the word "respect" is so out-of-place it is laughable. history professors, such as myself, do not owe a scintilla of "respect" to "heritage" nor does anyone else.Your personal discomfort with the sexual practices of antiquity is your problem - and we are not here to service your insecurities. You're not going to get reliable history lessons from TH-cam, but I promise you, if you sought serious historical facts, you'd be even more displeased. And that, again, would be your personal problem - not scholarship.
@@StephenRyder-w3q Firstly, I'm not as 'Thin Skinned' as you claim/state, but I do agree that TH-cam is definetly NOT an educational platform. It was not my intention to say or claim that, I simply wanted to state my 'opinion' and clarify I do not know as much as anyone else here. So professor, before you make claims about me as an individual, get to know me first. Yes, I do agree that Ancient Greece had very different cultural and sexual practices but the video title claiming they were boy toys, indicates something rather darker than the actual facts that people like yourself and others have discovered. And using AI generated images?? It can't even get the fingers right were as an actual artist may have (depending on their skill level). My previous post was more about the title mis representing the videos content to get views. And that is what all videos do these days on TH-cam, misleading titles and thumbnails to get views, when it should be about the content of the video, not views. Sorry I made you uncomfortable enough to voice your opinion on my post, that was not my intention but thank you for responding and demonstrating that even academics can fall victim to self rightous beliefs, respect you sassy professor (grrr wolf). I love a sassy bloke and the drama that comes with him, Oh no, cold shower time lol.
@@beasta81 I agree that there is little that is more despicable than A! in general ans in their videos specifically.. If that was the point you were trying to make - well done.
@@YourHistoryClass-r4d Not to sound like a prick but, how did we make videos b4 AI? Come on bro, if you poke at AI enough you can get a good image. It's just lazy to accept the first image AI pumps out.
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The Japanese had something similar, the wakashu. Most of the famous samurai had a wakashu, a boy between around 12 and 20. Then there are the dancing boys of some Turkish cultures.
@@wfcoaker1398 I'll look it up. Thanks.
@@wfcoaker1398 so, mankind makes rules against being human. Nothing new here.
@larscarter7406 Do you ever think that the trauma experienced by these kids is a product of OUR cultural mores? We tell them they are victims of a crime that our society thinks is worse than murder. A boy growing up in a place where such a "relationship" is considered a good way to advance in society, like Japanese wakashu, or a society where they are honoured like rock stars, like the Turks, will likely not be damaging, merely distasteful. I think our societal reaction traumatizes those boys far more than the act itself. Doesn't mean we should accept it, much less legalize it, but I think we should deal with it differently to avoid traumatizing our boys further.
Hard to call something "perverse" when it seems to be ubiquitous across time and cultures.
@@wfcoaker1398 maybe. A kid jumps from place to place just playing, learning and growing. They are not making lifelong decisions about anything really and are learning to accept the way things are. We usually try to teach them what's right and what's wrong as they grow up. Then someone comes along and says you've been permanently damaged and traumatized. The adults are always right so they are permanently damaged and traumatized from then on. I could be wrong though. I haven't been in that situation.
You know, at one time in ancient history, maybe even before rome, there was a gay army that was so fearsome that it might have prevented wars from happening between city states for a long time. They all were afraid to attack it. Everyone knew that lovers would fight to the death to protect their lover. Look it up.😊
Yes, it's called The Sacred Band of Thebes.
Spartans
AI still can't get the hands right.
2:43 really bad!
what do you mean? It got that finger nail on the guy's nose perfectly! 2:58
@@ChristopherSeal 😆😆
Those are old AI art
even the eyes
All I have to say about it is that sex is good! Put labels on it and it becomes labeled. Having sex should be agreed upon, yes! It's only between the two agreeing partners to decide if they are willing to have sex. Nobody else.😊
Should age matter?
Generations of Adults from young Adult ages at 18 always did ask that Big Million Pounds Question about Sex and ages.
It depends on the Age of the young Adult and any younger Children under that age.
18 is as it always has been for generations at and starts at age 18 and not any younger age under that by law.
Young Adults start at 18 but there sex Hormones are going Absolutely 💯 Positive Radio Rental into Super Warp Speed Overdrive very fast Speedway.
PUBERTY as it comes to us all before our Adult Life's even start.
Both Men and Woman that is.
And Women are Females who are Born as Baby Girls and are then Children with Childhood Innocence Beauty before there Adult life's then starts at age 18.
Adults having sex intercourse with other Adults is part of life and as long as its not only the one Adult wants it very badly from using Filth Disgusting Unacceptable Dangerous Inappropriate, Harm Painful Pain Force towards other Adults and even to Children.
That's only spreading The same towards many family's with Babies and very young Children without fail.
It's Nothing Human ever.
Learning and teaching youngsters to accept what only will take over damage destroy and cause serious dangerous Destruction Construction.
Putting Children into and through a Nightmare Of He'll and Horror.
That's nothing of Real True Human Humanity Heart Spirit and Soul as we was Born with at Birth.
It's like a Monster out on a RAMPAGE dangerous and way on far beyond Human Humanity control.
We don't ever feed on only what does Change us from our insides.
On what will take away all of our Humanity.
We're then not Human Anymore guaranteed.
Generations of Adults Men and Women in and around this World can't and don't look at Sex Knowledge understanding the same way as us many others who do.
Same as Friendship isn't only about Sex after and sex madness.
There's real true Friendship guaranteed 💯 Positive without any fail or doubt comes with Nothing to do with involving Sex as many believe.
Haven't you Heard of B F F.
American Children have that for a real True Friendship that's beyond Priceless and its a real true Guaranteed Unbreakable Friendship.
There's no other like it anywhere in any lifetime.
It comes with a Solid Strong Firm Connection Foundation Bond OF Love between 2 friends of 2 Girls and 2 Boys.
Again it's nothing about having sex period.
Something many Adults can't and don't Register into there Brains.
Poor Lack of knowledge understanding that is.
And you wonder why far to many Children fall into very Dangerous Territory with Dangerous Adults who don't care and who they harm and hurt or if its Adults and very young Children there doing it to. There's your real Monsters.
They sometimes start of at home in the house causing Harm Pain Abuse towards there Family and even hurt harm there Pets Animals without any Human Humanity inside them.
Special Friendship is great longs it's not involving anything of Dangerous Harm pain He'll and Horror Abuse.
Sex isn't the Bother Problem Issue it's the one doing the harm by Force.
Sex and realionship is on what and how you see and take from it.
Remember Children aren't Born as Adults.
And how many Adults believe and treat Children like there Adults.
Age of consent of course.
@@larscarter7406 how old is that?
@simonphoenix9131. Adolescence. When you can have pleasurable sex.
The age of acceptable intergenerational relationships was 12 up to 17. OR ended when the kid needed his first shave (NOT a full beard!) whichever came first. These illustrations are misleading. A trove of literature and illustrations are available depicting who these boys were. Ganymede, probably the most historically recognized (A large moon is named after him) Greek boy was 12 when he was abducted by Zeus to be the cupbearer to the gods. Outside of polite social pretense about mentorship and education for these boys (one doesn't learn much as a waiter at Bachanalian fests) Ganymede was chosen for his "Great beauty" Apparently a boy so beautiful he stultified the gods. Other 12-13 year-old boys longed for a heroic man in their lives, sexual relations were a given, and parents approved if the man chosen was of good character and reputation.
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Very interesting info, thank you Stephen.
The illustrations are misleading because the vast majority of them are AI generated, if not all of them.
@@WolfsToob Yes, but they are deliberately chosen to blur the realities of history that don't jive with their fallacious preconceptions
@@kylegoble1519 "Loving boys" has nothing to do with it. I teach history - graduated from a school whiose motto is "Veritas." The truth is merely the truth and does not necessarily speak to one's psychosocial predilictions. It is presumptuous to assume.
So mentorship and sugaring did exist in Ancient times
Well, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle seem to have revealed that a very long time ago.
American hero John Paul Jones went to sea at the age of 12, growing up in a 100% male environment. British legend Admiral Horatio Nelson also joined the Navy at 12. Thomas Jefferson was sent to live with his tutor William Douglas, who taught Jefferson Latin, French, and the rudiments of Greek when Jefferson was nine years old.
Many of the world's greatest champions were the product of their relationships with men as boys. This was the history of the world once - every Knight had a Squire, every ship had numerous boys, and much of Europe's economy was based on the apprentice system for the most of the trades.
Today, in America, a man would be suspect if he showed any interest in a boy, and arrested if he said Hello. Boys are taught that men are dangerous and parents are downright paranoid regarding such relationships. And while their concerns are valid, (Thanks to the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church.)
Unmentored boys rarely grow up to be outstanding men in today's culture. A woman can raise a boy, but she can't raise a man. If he has no father at home, a boy will inveitably find a surrogate somehow, somewhere along the line.
Ancient Greece was such a weird place. Fascinating, but very weird.
It was not that weird... it simply preceded the Judeo-Christian antipathy to all things sexual (outside marriage). The Greek Gods were a horny group, seducing all manner of men, women and even animals (Leda and the Swan). If the Gods could have intercourse with everyone, why wouldn't the faithful follow siut?
The Spartans were an incredible fighting force, and the secret of tehir success was that each soldeir had a lover who fought beside him in battle. This motivated tehm to fight harder to protect their loved ones;
Alexander teh Great's two major love interests were both male... he was married three times, but twice it was with cnoquered peoples as a ay to cement the loyalty of a beaten foe, and thethird was his Greek wife who was thereto give him an heir ot the throne.
What is truly weird is how moodern societies preach that same-(sex relatons, especially with adolescents, is not only illegal but harmful to the young. They never seem to grasp teh fact that for centuries the ancients had such dallainces and nobody seems to have been traumatized at all.
It was true freedom.
Voltaire disagrees
I want to be a ephobos!!!
Didn’t you hear your not supposed to let them know you want to be one
@@lizaramirez-garcia5944 your what? Oh, you mean you're.....got it.
Are the right age?
So, bent over then...
Just join the catholic church.
The sexual bonding of two young boys makes an unbreakable friendship between them for life....Ask me
maybe my ex is still friends with they guy he did... i left they still besties... no skin off my shoes
Tell me more
It used to be like that, maybe the first time I had sex with my friend was the reason we couldn't get rid of it, we were like we were stuck together. But, it was more sexual for him and he was hurtful as a person and yet I got more attached to him, and finally after many years I was able to end the relationship, and despite everything he did I still miss him sometimes, it's like a part of him stayed inside me, it can't be taken back
Maybe in your very specific case, but certainly not in mine.
When I was 13 and my friend was 12, we experimented, and you're right; our bond is strong. Although we stopped at age 15, we have been close ever since. We are in our 50s now, and I named my daughter after him, and he named his son after me. I have 6 children and 11 grandchildren. He has 5 children and 12 grandchildren. The last time we saw each other we don't say anything but I know what he's thinking LOL
An ephebos was a draftee doing his military service from the ages of 20 to 21. The first year was in barracks near their home. The second year what in a fort on a border.
One has to understand that as late as the First World War, - especially among certain classes - that, in the Euro-North American social world (among others), a 15 year old was culturally understood to be 'a man' though as we see here (as we today broaden our ontology and taxonomy of gender/gender personae), so in the ancient world there were different ontologies of 'man-ness."
Up until a few years ago, the age of consent was 12 in Vatican City and in Spain. Today it is 14 in Italy and 15 in the EU in general.
Jews are one of the world's oldest civilizations. To this day, in the Jewish tradition, a boy is a man at 13 - hence the "Bar Mitzva"
Even in the 1940s there were marriages at 13 and 14. Boys and girls were considered adults at that age This age of consent is fairly new. Even in the 70s nobody really cared about the ages
Mary Renault’s “The Last of the Wine” has long been a favorite, albeit fictional account, on the subject.
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This sounds like another day at the office at the Neverland Ranch.
Michael Jackson's Children Hospital.
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Reminds me of how things were in the 1970's.
don't forget the sixties!
Well, Ancient Greece was a males society, with women confined to the home and actually unavailable for sex outside marriage. It was also a warriors society in which military and physical training was central. The young men / older men relationship was part of this training, in which each young trainee at about 16 would be mentored by an older guy of 20+, while case of much older men having young boyfriends was apparently much more limited. The young trainee/mentor relationship was not always sexual and, when it was, it could limited to touching of jerking off (spartan were apparently particularly prude) but here too we don’t really know the proportion of these relationships which were also really sexual. Now my personal view is that maybe what was specific to Greek culture was the obsession with the male body because it was a warriors society practicing heavy and constant military training. Their there is a sort of esthetic view on the mal body, which is different to a sexual view of it, which is why it is probable that not the many relationships were sexual, even taking into account the unavailability of women. We also need to remember that to be a warrior also meant to get married and get sons to provide a new generation of warriors to the city. In truth, we don’t really know the extent of real gay sex among Greek warriors. 1 thing to be noticed is the Theban gay regiment called the Sacred Band constituted of 150 males couples was famous for being this, ie a gay army unit. That seems to tell us that, if gay relationships between warriors was respected, it was fairly unusual. Disclosure: I am gay myself
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Sparta was an exception where women were NOT confined to the home.
@@jeanpredieri I wonder if they labeled it gay back then. Did it really matter.
@ probably not. It was a male warrior based society in which strong bonds between men was essential and there were various degrees of intimacy in these relationships. Yes, not sure they would label them as such
@@jeanpredieri maybe it was for apprenticeship or better chances of surviving a battle.
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@@1el.Player unless it needs to be changed or changes all by itself.
In a subcutaneous sense, many contemporary cultures quietly press on with ancient habits and traditions. Human societies cannot be judged by the ignorant and repressive morality of the U.S.
Why are boys prettier than girls?
Ask God?
Yeah, I'm not gay but I find girls ugly.
Voltaire had a famous answer for this:
“He was my equal in beauty, a paragon of grace and charm, sparkling with wit, and burning with love. I adored him to distraction, to the point of idolatry: I loved him as one can never love twice.”
― Voltaire, Candide
@@travisahearn1258 who? which one? 😂😂😂
coz ur gay
I guess, 14 was the 18 back then.
The age of consent in Canada was 14 until a couple years ago
@@mervinprone Oh wow! 😮
@@johnblaesel5493why not? Im sixty and when I was 14 lots of kids were sexually active. Including in some cases with adult boyfriends.
@@johnryan3913 I believe it.
@@mervinprone Age of consent in most of EU countries is between 14-16.
A better time !
A time period without antibiotics and the ability to do modern day surgery is not a good time to live.
@ Probably the most important and influential period ever lol, “ what did the romans do for us” you American?
For whom ? For pediphiles yes
All right Dan 😅
Way, way better and freer.
Greeks!!
We like to tell ourselves that our contemporary society is so much more advanced and superior than ancient civilizations, it's kind of nice to be taken off our high horse every once in a while.
The arrogance of American "Morality" is exceeded only by it's ignorance.
@@StephenRyder-w3q Bravo, thank you Stephen.
Women are different not inferior. Yet the Greeks were right about one thing. Women use men to get what women want. If a man wants real love, or real pleasure? It takes another man to give a man these things. I feel sorry for truely heterosexual men, whom will never know just how good love and sex can be. I had my first love affair with a man, more like a Spartan. They called it abuse, but all we felt for each other was love. When he was exposed for loving me? He lost everything, was completely ostracized by his family. So, he committed suicide. I cried and cried when he died. But never dared to tell anyone why his death hurt so bad. Thirty years later, gay sex became legal. So now I'm free to take a Male lover. Only minors are treated more like animals than rational human beings. How old, does one need to be to fall in love? Pediophila is a mental illness, it's not love. There are lots of lovers who have a significant age difference. What's right about treating minors, more like pets than people?
so sorry u and ur lover had to go through that , as bi female i understand both the perspectives and at the end i realized soul connection is not restricted by gender, at least for me , not all men are abusers or cheaters neither r all women gold diggers or dumb, it just depends on ur preference
@babyshark833 Thank you! That was 1969. Things have changed since then.
@@scottjackson5173 yes fortunately
I can only imagine the pain you have experienced! But, wait! We shall all meet again, in a better place. x
Ancient Greece, a better time!
Got that right, way better and freer.
In the way of personal freedom, yes, in some ways.
EE-FEE-BOES! Latin uses long vowel sounds, not soft or round ones. Plural = Ee-fee-bo-i
There is a theory that the modern word BOY actually comes from efeboi through the Germanic word boi which apparently and with due reason originates in the Latin efeboi, and the efe portion was transmuted into effeminate, which is entirely likely.
open pronunciation instead of closed yes, but not "long" like demonstrated
Ephebos is ancient Greek, not Latin!
@@hape3862 True. I confused efebos and efebus. Efebus is the Latin version. Pronunciations doesn't change much though. Any, in fact? I'm not up on Greek.
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Sorry, but the AI visuals were, at times, on the ghastly side.
In what respect were they ghastly? If the video author had used original Greek illustrations of the era regarding this practice, it would be much more graphic.
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This is disgusting 😮
@@MikeScott-ez7iw So why did you click on it and watch?
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History has not changed much!
Especially with white men!
"Greek"? No distinction is made whether Spartan, Macedon, Athens, or any of the other divergent Greeks cultures.
Well, you won't find much scholastic specificity on TH-cam...
I was 35 when I met my partner in Brazil. He was 14. Hewas not going to school bc he had to work. We fell in love. I spoke to his mother (the father had keft her with 4 kids) and I told her the story. I told him that to be eith me he had to go to school and I would provide for the family. Today, 30 years later, he is an ingeneer and we are still together. We have a well known company. All his tamily loves us and I am sure that some of the anti gay and anti ephebo neighbours envy him very much. ❤
i dont know what to think of this but I am very surprised that you dont have 25000 replys insulting you xd
😂 dirty pedo
So you groomed a child is what im hearing
Sick fuck. I'm gay too
@@John_SalchiChon69 lol
Where oh where is the Time Machine???
I'll buy a ticket!
Nigga wants to touch boys!? 💀🫵 I don't want to even think of the shit you Google
Just remembeer, if you lived back then you could die from a toothache. In 453, Attila the Hun died of a nose bleed. Women routinely died giving birth. It was not paradise.
@@StephenRyder-w3q Oh, I didn't say I would stay. I'd travel back for a few weeks a year, then come back. Hey, if I have a time machine, I'm gonna get as much out of it as possible. 😉😉
@@kennethwilliams4874 My personal Time Machine is best operated at night when I am about to fall asleep. It comes with an owner's manual that emphasizes avoiding frequent use. There are places in the world where the past still lives - with the important virtues of modern medical care. It's important to concentrate on the present and the future so that travel - real or imagined - can be facilitated. Can't do that while dreaming about better days gone by.
Adolescents do have sexuality and want to gain sexual experiences. Adolescents can be abused tricked or blackmailed by bad actors but adolescents may also benefit from a relationship with mature men. I dont consider sex between men of different ages to be inheritly sinful but it can be. And I strongly disagree with the popular view that young adults between 14 and 18 years old are "children". They are quite inexperienced but to call pedophilia relationship with someone who have pubes and masturbates daily is crazy. I believe we should leave people alone. It is their life and feelings and not our business unless there is coercion or violence involved. I am more worried about young people exposing themselves naked online without clear understanding of the consequences. The paradox is that online activities are harmless to one's body. You cant get hurt or pregnant or catch a disease. But you cant control the spread of your images and personal data. Only when we develop mechanism some kind of AI to scour the web looking for our personal data and ban it if we wish not to be seen, only then we can partially protect ourselves. Partially because data can be spread on VHS or other media outside the internet. Or may be we just need to cultivate an attitude not to care about our naked images being everywhere. But I dont think we need to abolish privacy and intimacy at the same time. So it looks like this will be a forever issue. Like abortion. Or like "god". What will happen to the young mind if they want privacy but get exposed to the internet. How are they gonna deal with it. This is an issue i am more concerned about.
Some of them are mentally children, some are mentally young adults. It always depends on mental maturity, not physical age.
@@spiccato_s But then, should there be some kind of test to determine whether a particular person is or is not mature enough to make their own decisions? I'm just wondering how this might be approached.
@@kennethwilliams4874 The ignoramii in the judicial system make me sick. If the amateur physiologists in the justice system say that the brain of a 14 year-old is not sufficiently "mature" to say "YES!" to a sexual proposition, wouldn't it also be insufficiently mature to say "No!"?
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The AI is strong with this one...
Didnt Rome have similar practices? I'd imagine if Rome didnt have a series of psychos as leaders the empire would have lasted a bit longer. I'm not saying it was perfect by any means. But certain sexual preferences would have been more cultivated instead of demonized. Philosophy still can balance out the more base human desires such as greed and lust.
Yes, most certainly - especially among Patrician families. 12-year-old boy prostitutes occupied the fornixes (arches on the outside) of the colloseum with their togas hitched up at the rear to display their goods. We get the word "Fornication" from this
Yes, boys were a frequent choice for sex in ancient Rome. The little guys prostituted themselves daily at the coliseum, habitating the fornices (arches) which are the outer ring of the architecture. They wore their short Togas (Toga praetexta, a white toga with a purple border worn by freeborn boys until they reached puberty. The purple border was called the latus clavus.) hitched up in the back to reveal the assets (no pun intended) available. Roman men frequented those fornices and that's where the word "Fornication" comes from. Females were also available there.
Ha, who knew. Weird, but i guess that is just personal perspective, and modern time view ?
Mr. Bieber will tell you nothing has changed......
those steamy nights in Monaco ...
Abuse is the bargain to be fed for the last 15,000 years.
Abuse? Definrd by whom,?
@@johnryan3913 The owner defines and you are hostage to that ownership, for which you pay in the name of law and order.
Those were the day's.., up to the time of Christianity.
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I'm afraid you used a Latin plural¹ (-i) on a Greek noun. The plural of έφηβος (EPHĒBOS) is έφηβοι (EPHĒBOI.) ¹Latin 2nd declination nominative masculine plural is -i.
AI has a hard time with hands. 😆
Une fresque, qui dessine l'époque romain ✍️ !
What was accepted in the past, is no longer accepted NOW😂!
History books are awesome because of many gray areas that were never discussed in school.
But why is that? Is it because some group wants to force their subjective beliefs on other groups?
@kennethwilliams4874 rape wasn't a big back then because it was expected and children these days have a say.
I've been told that I was fortunate as a child because of all the adults I played with didn't force themselves on me.
@@cedricksamaniego9146 Thank you Cedrick, so it's not always necessarily rape. Children can have a say, which means they can say yes, correct? We can't say that a person has a choice, and then only allow one choice.
@kennethwilliams4874 in most countries, it's considered rape regardless on concent. I never told because my fun would have stopped. I reached puberty early and I loved getting milked dry whenever I wanted.
The American,public educational system is fraught with lies and concealment. Political correctness and religious dogma rules - and both betray the truth at every opportunity
You might want to learn how to pronounce "ephebe".
They should have came to Canada , cheap Canadian dollar, loaded law enforcement.
Canada is a wonderful country, especially Quebec
Wish I was around in Ancient Greek time with all that attention 😊💦
nasty old pdf file
Horrendous AI! I mean, seriously?!
To hell with that. I'll stick with the USA ARMY.
Except for the fact 40 year old men are having sex with children. There policy on protecting there young children from inappropriate contact is something we can learn about today
Some of the comments in this video scares me.... It's enabling fantasies
@@endor8witch It's not a fantasy if you live in Brazil or e.g. Germany, where age of consent is 14. You can go for it and it will all legal. It is funny that for the same actions, you would get lengthy jail sentence in the USA + would be in the publicly accessible offender list for life.
@@spiccato_s I can't believe the America is protecting children 😭
Anyone who has reached puberty is not a "child" according to the dictionary and common sense. Post-pubescent minors have been known as "Adolescents" for hundreds of years. The word "adolescence" was first used in the 15th century.
It comes from the Latin word adolescere, which means "to grow up or to grow into maturity".
However, the concept of adolescence as a distinct phase of human development is credited to American psychologist G. Stanley Hall, who published his work Adolescence in 1904.
Hall is also known as the father of Adolescent Psychology. In his work, Hall described many aspects of adolescence, including bodily growth and mood swings. MY fellow Americans, impaled on the horns of feminism, get dumber every year. Adolescents are simply the horniest people on earth - jog your guilt-ridden memories, hypocrites.
This is why the three different terms exist: paedophile, hebephile, and ephebophile, all relating to different stages of maturity. However, in modern society they usually get bundled into one - "Paedophile."
The etymology is always interesting, though.
However, the principal difference is always the same. The abuse is one of power and it is the inexperience of youth, which puts them at greater risk and vulnerability. This is why both legally and morally, regardless of the apparent "attraction" or desire of the younger (weaker) of the two, it is the moral duty of the elder (the Mentor) to appropriately guide the relationship safely.
For example, there is a huge difference between a relation between 25 year old and 30 year old (both experienced adults) compare to a 17 year old and a 12 year old, even though the number of years is the same.
People might make comparisons with ancient Greek culture, but 2500 years is a long time for society to change value systems. Even when people harp on about "Democracy" most forget (or don't know) that all Greek Citizens were involved in it. But not all Greeks were citizens: neither slaves or women.
And interested vid, but I agree with a comment I read that the Ai images were a little creepy in places.
Did your team do any research on this topic or just rely on an AI for the images and misleading facts??? I'm part greek myself and know a little bit about my Greek Heritage and some historical social practices. Please do better next time when you talk about another peoples historic cultural practices and show some respect for that culture by doing some fact checking, that's all I ask. Oh, and one more thing, don't use misleading or click-bait words in your titles like "The boy toys of ancient Greece" it isn't nice to misrepresent the facts and not all Mentorships were sexual in nature. I don't know what the percentage would've been but it wasn't as prevelant as your video suggests....
It's obvious that you "know a little bit" about ancient Greece. Being thin-skinned about historical facts does nothing to fortify your argument. The supercillious application of the word "respect" is so out-of-place it is laughable. history professors, such as myself, do not owe a scintilla of "respect" to "heritage" nor does anyone else.Your personal discomfort with the sexual practices of antiquity is your problem - and we are not here to service your insecurities. You're not going to get reliable history lessons from TH-cam, but I promise you, if you sought serious historical facts, you'd be even more displeased. And that, again, would be your personal problem - not scholarship.
@@StephenRyder-w3q Firstly, I'm not as 'Thin Skinned' as you claim/state, but I do agree that TH-cam is definetly NOT an educational platform. It was not my intention to say or claim that, I simply wanted to state my 'opinion' and clarify I do not know as much as anyone else here. So professor, before you make claims about me as an individual, get to know me first. Yes, I do agree that Ancient Greece had very different cultural and sexual practices but the video title claiming they were boy toys, indicates something rather darker than the actual facts that people like yourself and others have discovered. And using AI generated images?? It can't even get the fingers right were as an actual artist may have (depending on their skill level). My previous post was more about the title mis representing the videos content to get views. And that is what all videos do these days on TH-cam, misleading titles and thumbnails to get views, when it should be about the content of the video, not views. Sorry I made you uncomfortable enough to voice your opinion on my post, that was not my intention but thank you for responding and demonstrating that even academics can fall victim to self rightous beliefs, respect you sassy professor (grrr wolf). I love a sassy bloke and the drama that comes with him, Oh no, cold shower time lol.
@@beasta81 I agree that there is little that is more despicable than A! in general ans in their videos specifically.. If that was the point you were trying to make - well done.
As horrifying as this practice may be to us in the modern West, I am going to be honest: The AI generated inages for this video were worse. 😬
I leave this comment in hope of finding a boyfriend .
Haha! You have my very best wishes. x
@tangogent thanks buddy
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So... once the boys got too old they were replaced by younger pray....wow
pray?
@@Support_Ad_Blocker I think he meant "Prey." sans culotte no doubt
@@Support_Ad_Blocker The men prayed for young boys. :)
@@DavidLS1 prayed preyed played😂😂😂😂
@@Support_Ad_Blocker Splayed sprayed.
I canI can't take all the really bad AI pics. There is enough real artistry of this time, why not use real art?
not enough I'm afraid. Sorry about the art, but AI messes up bad sometimes.
@@YourHistoryClass-r4d Not to sound like a prick but, how did we make videos b4 AI? Come on bro, if you poke at AI enough you can get a good image. It's just lazy to accept the first image AI pumps out.
AI generated waste of time.
Ay..... Baklita pala ang mga Greeks 😒
Not as stupid as Americans
Sounds like DC.
GOP
Twinks lol
DARN IT. MY EX HAS THIS PHONE HACKED, IF THEY HAD BEEN YOUNGER I COULD HAVE LEFT THIS ON LOOP AND MAYBE HE'D THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES ME AND MY SMALL THINGY THAT HE LOVED BECAUSE IT MADE HIM THINK OF YOUNGER. SICK PERVERT ❌⭕❌⭕
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That's gross.
This is disgusting
What is?
@@johnryan3913
Excuse 🙌 you
I won't respond 😞 to your stupid comment if you don't know 😭 what the word disgusting is look it up read a book 📚 little girl 😂 don't message me again 😢with you're game 🎯 and follisness 😢
@@johnryan3913 nigga what do you think!? 💀 The damn Greeks are anus raping boys!
Sickening…
Beginning of Gays!
Uhm no gays have always been part of humanity