Horrific Life of a Male Concubine in the Roman Empire

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  • In the intriguing realm of ancient Roman matrimony, the concept of marriage diverged significantly from our modern understanding. Back then, a marital union was less about love and companionship and more about transactions and alliances. What's more, infidelity among husbands was not just commonplace; it was practically expected. These dalliances ranged from casual encounters with courtesans to more enduring affairs. While these extramarital liaisons often involved women, it was equally customary for men to engage in romantic trysts with their male counterparts.

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  • @pbohearn
    @pbohearn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    Tiberius, the Jeffrey Epstein of ancient Rome

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He wasn't the only one!

    • @jeffgreen7629
      @jeffgreen7629 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isn’t Jeffrey Epstein straight?

    • @marisolvalez4719
      @marisolvalez4719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Was thinking the same thing ..

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Worse than that. Though Tiberius didn’t have an airplane.

    • @jasonbender2459
      @jasonbender2459 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the age of consent was 8.

  • @lglg6950
    @lglg6950 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    Pederasty was very common; your father would hand you over to one of his friends or a high ranking male that he was a family friend to teach, and often having sexual relationships with them was not considered abuse. There was no such thing as gay or straight; sex between males was common and expected; sex with women was for procreation only.

    • @Aussiemarco
      @Aussiemarco 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @lglg6950 What you described was ancient Athens. Ancient Rome was different to this

    • @lglg6950
      @lglg6950 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@Aussiemarco it was both
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's why Rome was full of female prostitutes lmao such ignorance.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sure sure, that's why Rome was filled with female prostitutes lmao ignorant

    • @ws1814
      @ws1814 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Being “not considered “ abuse doesn’t make it not abuse. The same way slavery was not considered wrong but it certainly was and is.

  • @frederickbahe9565
    @frederickbahe9565 ปีที่แล้ว +370

    So gay exists from the beginning of time

    • @annawilliams2336
      @annawilliams2336 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, pedophilia did.

    • @franciscopineda2594
      @franciscopineda2594 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      Yesterday the press published the first ever images of two hump whales mating. It was two males. 😊

    • @troychambliss784
      @troychambliss784 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Also in other great apes

    • @ptownRandy1
      @ptownRandy1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      And, penquins.

    • @ptownRandy1
      @ptownRandy1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      Yes, gay has existed from the beginning of time.

  • @lune5289
    @lune5289 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    It was a great video thank you !

  • @patdonnelly9392
    @patdonnelly9392 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    and...IN 2024, gay marriage is Still AN ISSUE?? For what reason? We certainly have bigger things to worry about right now! I don't care what, or who you are....as long as you do no harm to others.

    • @luclafor
      @luclafor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They had same sex relation but they were still engaged with a woman and had children. That is the MAIN DIFFERENCE

    • @patdonnelly9392
      @patdonnelly9392 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@luclafor Like that isn't a thing now??

    • @marco8696
      @marco8696 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@luclaforyou are a troll 😂

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And they wonder why ROME FELL???!

    • @marco8696
      @marco8696 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lynnmeyers10 What are you sayng?

  • @annepoitrineau5650
    @annepoitrineau5650 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    There was a similar system during one of the Japanese Wakashu era (boy with older man, not two men together, which is fine). It does not make it right, but it might make us think about the nature of these relationships. He was not called Antonius, but Antinous.

    • @TheHoveHeretic
      @TheHoveHeretic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      When it comes to historical practices, don't forget "age of consent" is a comparatively modern, some would say very much a 'western' construct.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can look at it as you like, but from a moral perspective, using underage people of either sex by ",owners" is/was wrong. Paganism was only about pleasing gods not morality except for heroes and then about loyalty and courage.

    • @eyeswideopen7777
      @eyeswideopen7777 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@annepoitrineau5650 no one said it was ok. The ruling class could execute anyone for speaking against it. Use your common sense

  • @kentzentner251
    @kentzentner251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    Doesn't sound much different than happens behind some closed doors today....

    • @kevindean394
      @kevindean394 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes I always obey and do whatever the men wish to please them

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This was cultural, Social and was also a military thing.
      Marriages were delayed, but I wonder why. But then you had to have dowry money and stay in your class.
      Homosexuality wasn't always/isnt always about some great longing. There are always opportunists even among heterosexual, as for instance in The Producers when one of them romances old ladies to get money to finance plays on Broadway.

    • @saulgarcia986
      @saulgarcia986 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct. Not born gay, heteromen abuse kids, and they, in turn, turn gay. It's the hetero that abuses.

    • @abmindprof
      @abmindprof 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      People are the same everywhere in the end. What's acceptable culturally and how culture shapes desire changes. So a few people feel desires for children and far more for adolescents throughout history. But what exactly is encouraged or taboo changes over time and place.

  • @pridan94
    @pridan94 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    This was interesting. Thanks

  • @robertphillips5459
    @robertphillips5459 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Love knows no boundaries at all, today's society is so hell bent on what people do with each other, that society forgets about the real problems facing the human race, war,famine, species extinction and pollution of our seas, air, and land, it's pretty damn sad in my opinion

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      "love knows no boundaries"? lol more like lust knows no boundaries, real love respect boundaries

    • @Jeff-jn4uj
      @Jeff-jn4uj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You forgot to mention the lack of good dance music since the 90's

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Jeff-jn4uj you are right, that's the real tragedy...

    • @internetpuppettheater613
      @internetpuppettheater613 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ClaraLemlichRuleswhat dost thou mean.......there exists great dance music in the current millennium

    • @kennethwilliams4874
      @kennethwilliams4874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Best comment, thank you Robert, totally agree.

  • @robindixon4814
    @robindixon4814 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    The comments about pedophiles, hearts in the videos and how disturbing or odd the videos are is surely the point that sexual norms and culture was VERY different to what we understand today post Christianity and Victorian hangovers.

    • @Erin-Thor
      @Erin-Thor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Different times, different morals and ethics.

    • @DisHappah
      @DisHappah 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Erin-Thor Well, this is not the 3rd century. Our cultures, beliefs, and morals have advanced and evolved. We no longer want to watch people getting fed by lions in an arena. We don't want to watch two men fight to the death with swords. We don't wish to see that on national TV or the Arena because it is wrong. And today, we will not accept pedophilia because that, too, is wrong.

    • @kennethwilliams4874
      @kennethwilliams4874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hangovers and hangups...and if I think it's wrong, then YOU shouldn't be allowed to do it. And we think this is progress, that we're so refined and they were so barbaric.

    • @ws1814
      @ws1814 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kennethwilliams4874So are you telling we should let people practice pedophilia and slavery?

    • @ws1814
      @ws1814 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are many things Romans and Greeks got wrong. Slavery and pedophila are two of those.

  • @podcasthastings9501
    @podcasthastings9501 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That video is full of historical mistakes : confusion between greek and roman sociology, ridiculous AI illustrations showing anachronistic costumes, big mistakes in character names (Antinous, NOT Antonius !!!), etc, etc, etc. The subject was interesting, but its treatment is catastrophic.

  • @jay-day
    @jay-day 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Interesting that Pythagorus, author of a famous theory in geometry about triangles, was established in a love triangle.

    • @ISIO-George
      @ISIO-George 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Different Pythagoras. The mathematician lived several centuries earlier.

  • @ScienceNotFaith
    @ScienceNotFaith 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    This is all very interesting, but you basically talked about only the elite. What about the commoner? Was this behavior seen there as well or was it treated differently. Did male concubines only exist for the wealthy? Was it common practice outside those in power?

    • @historymadeeasy
      @historymadeeasy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Good question we will dig into that in our next episode

    • @Aussiemarco
      @Aussiemarco 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @spocksvulcanbrain Concubines (both female and male) were for the wealthy. A visit to the local brothel for a quickie with a prostitute (both female and male) was for the poor.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what do you think? of course it was upper class who did this. Also, where are the lesbians in here? Sexist and abusive old Rome.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Farmers were too busy, probably with the land and their herds.
      It seems it's usually in history the older richer people who start sexual cults. Boredom and secularism as well as narcissism are some causes.

    • @ChrisPierce-y1r
      @ChrisPierce-y1r 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah I was wondering that too...but I feel like it was the wealthy that they could afford the boys

  • @JoleneValdovinos
    @JoleneValdovinos 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Nothing is New under the Sun.
    Get used to it, LGBT have been here since the beginning of time.
    It was commun to have lovers in the army.

  • @mwbright
    @mwbright ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I don't think the person who wrote this narration has the slightest knowledge having to do with Roman social conventions.

  • @rubenproost2552
    @rubenproost2552 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Love the hair styling

    • @AshleyMarks-
      @AshleyMarks- 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah. Pretty cool. I have way straight hair that is prolly too floppy to look like a Greek or Roman.

  • @brynhowesein6075
    @brynhowesein6075 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ai images are so freaky and uncanny looking, the part with young boys next to the old guys was uncomfortable to watch

  • @Markiwaza
    @Markiwaza 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Nice video, very interesting. But watch out...the name of Emperor Hadrian's lover was Antinous and not Antonius. It seems a small difference but instead it is remarkable, Antinous was a Greek name Antonius instead a Latin one. Nevertheless, keep up the good work!!!

  • @RobDogman
    @RobDogman ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Rome went there. Everything you can think of was done. Doesn't mean it was accepted or good. Remeber also, lead pipes everywhere! Lead poisoning is a huge factor here as well as inbreeding and corruption.

    • @ptownRandy1
      @ptownRandy1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      And, Pax Roma, architecture way ahead of its time, beautiful art and sculpture, no hang ups about sex. Everything you can think of was done. Doesn't mean it wasn't accepted or bad.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ptownRandy1 doesn't mean it was accepted or good either.
      Those men ruled Rome or Greece. Don't blame it on lead poisoning. They had great art, architecture, lots of
      conquest. They were just abusers who did as they pleased with underlings. I doubt the children were much more than slaves for the most part in origin
      Mentoring is debatable in my opinion. Noone knows what mothers and the serfs and lower classes thought. They don't care much, it seems.

    • @RobDogman
      @RobDogman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@lynnmeyers10 I never mentioned mentoring. Also, inbreeding and lead poisoning had a lot to do with the minds of Romans. But, that's not an excuse and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The Romans, were sadistic and cruel and took pride in knowing how to prolong human pain. Sure they also had great art, and architecture and science and great laws, but that doesn't make up for the brutality. It's a complex dichotomy.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RobDogman Mentoring mentioned in video.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @user-ut1rg1xz3m well, fighting so many other countries. taking so many slaves, a philosophy much copied from Greeks.
      No doubt they admired Athenian and Spartan culture.
      The other corruption, I'm not sure where it came from. But they had a good many sexually perverse emperors at the end.
      Maybe it has to do with totalitarianism or paganism, but Ancient Egyptians married siblings and like Romans, became gods. So, what can we deduce from that as far as origins?
      I'm not sure, but Aztecs and Incas did it. I don't think North American indigenous did that. Hard to blame it on lead plumbing.??? Hmm? *Video mentioned mentoring).

  • @christopherevans2445
    @christopherevans2445 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The sad part is that this is very true in those days. Many people think that this stuff is made up, or over exaggerated. This video could have gone alot farther actually. Glad they didn't, though historians know the stories.

    • @Serjo777
      @Serjo777 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "Sad"? What exactly is "sad" about this? It's hot af.

    • @stevenledbetter80
      @stevenledbetter80 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Why is it sad? lmao 🤣

    • @christopherevans2445
      @christopherevans2445 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stevenledbetter80 you're right it's not that upsetting that humans used other humans for any kind of deplorable thing you can think of, or unbearable labor you can think of. Everyone loves some of the thoughts of Antiquity but everyone dreams there a in this world with power. Sorry bro you're a Pleb

    • @prasenjeetbose2320
      @prasenjeetbose2320 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@stevenledbetter80 imagine asking why child abuse is sad.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Serjo777 child sexual abuse and predator adult men.

  • @greglane2283
    @greglane2283 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    This is what Saint Paul’s letter to the Romans was condemning. Not for being gay, but about married men straying from their wives.

    • @jamest0m
      @jamest0m 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And why foreigners should study local customs, instead of condemning them. What did Paul know!

    • @therealunclep
      @therealunclep 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That is incorrect.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jamest0m the point was that the customs were wrong according to Jesus.

    • @AbcDef-ww2gy
      @AbcDef-ww2gy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lynnmeyers10 Jesus said nothing at all about the subject.

  • @jamesrobiscoe1174
    @jamesrobiscoe1174 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It should be considered that the shocking examples presented here do not represent the behavior of all Roman citizens.

  • @impartial8987
    @impartial8987 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    The name of Hadrian's companion is "Antinous" not "Antonius". Please get it right, otherwise it takes credibility from your video.

    • @abmindprof
      @abmindprof 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Also paederasty was not the same in Greece and Rome, with adolescent Roman citizens were not supposed to be the object.

    • @marial8235
      @marial8235 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@abmindprofPlus Caesar was rumored to be in the same sex affair as a young man. Political enemies alleged the story,so it is hard know if it was true.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@abmindprofaccording to who?

    • @abmindprof
      @abmindprof 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here's a mention: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Sexuality_and_children
      @@lynnmeyers10

    • @ijunkie
      @ijunkie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, Antinous would have had a Greek name being from Anatolia.

  • @ScottA2345
    @ScottA2345 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Whether or not ancient Romans or Greeks categorized people into hetero, homo or bi - those realities existed then just as they do now. There were men and woman in the ancient world who wanted and had sexual relations only with their own gender because that is who they had sexual and emotional affection for. And there were people who felt this for both genders. And there were those who desired sexual relations exclusively with members of the opposite gender. That is just human reality. How anyone calls it, defines it or labels it doesn't change that fact.

  • @danielrrivera5126
    @danielrrivera5126 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    How do we know that Nero didn't have an incestuous relationship with his mom?

    • @EyeLean5280
      @EyeLean5280 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How do you propose proving a negative of that kind?

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can't imagine proving he slept with mom, but he became incestuously murderous at some point.
      So many were. So, it was. Nurture probably with a corrupt, immoral societal tyranny.
      There are several old classic films that portray those times. Not history but rather good--Quo Vadis, Demetrius and the gladiators, Gladiator, THE RISE AN D FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE, and more.🎉

  • @pyramos5770
    @pyramos5770 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Hadrians Ziehsohn hieß nicht "Antonius" sondern Antinoos, was einen anderen Wortstamm hat !
    Mit der anglo-amerikanischen "Gelehrsamkeit" ist es auch hier ,wieder einmal nicht weit her ;)

  • @randolphburns7974
    @randolphburns7974 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This is history. All history is based on the beliefs of the time in which it happened. It is not disturbing. Love and sex is so fluid all over the globe, it cannot be judged by todays beliefs.

    • @Serjo777
      @Serjo777 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also today's beliefs are Bee Ess ..

    • @Serjo777
      @Serjo777 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      .. and go against human nature.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "love and sex"? you mean lust and rape

    • @kennethwilliams4874
      @kennethwilliams4874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great and very true observations, thank you Randolph.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      lol you are all nuts, literally lmao 🤣🤣🤣

  • @georgefieldsjr.640
    @georgefieldsjr.640 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even in the biblical days this happened 😮, ( a generation Curse ) passed on thousands of years ,to this day !😢😮😮😮

  • @patriciahayes2664
    @patriciahayes2664 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The artworks in this video are fantastic!

    • @historymadeeasy
      @historymadeeasy  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks

    • @fgcpeak9591
      @fgcpeak9591 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's called AI

    • @emperorNB
      @emperorNB ปีที่แล้ว +5

      AI generated

    • @RobPhilip69
      @RobPhilip69 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, it's not. It's very lazy AI work, a lot of hands with 6 fingers...

    • @mylesgarcia4625
      @mylesgarcia4625 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RobPhilip69 LOL!!

  • @ThatBearHasMoxie
    @ThatBearHasMoxie 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fabulous but this was all covered in the Starz show Spartacus.

  • @stanwoody4988
    @stanwoody4988 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    And we think an unpaid internship is exploitive? Does the tempo of AI narration start to grate on your nerves too?

  • @_anon464
    @_anon464 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Video title is misleading tbh. You had some examples of harsh emperors (individuals with too much power who were beyond reproach for their infractions) at the end of the video and some of what they did was horrific but most of the video and the overarching culture didn't seem to be as such.

  • @ShoshanaBrand
    @ShoshanaBrand 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Judaism and Christianity have always objected to this lifestyle. Romans and the Greeks worshipped several Gods and did not follow One God, or a set of commandments such as the Ten Commandments. This is the reason for the relationships between men, and not the theory that "they did not want their wives to give birth and die during birth".

  • @gordonmcmanus9529
    @gordonmcmanus9529 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Just human nature that's all it is

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What? Child sexual abuse? I hope you don't mean THAT,

    • @gordonmcmanus9529
      @gordonmcmanus9529 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lynnmeyers10 no I didn't mean that way I'm not that it's been going on so long that it must be a part of you and nature I guess sorry if I defend you but I didn't mean way of sound

  • @zibbyzubb
    @zibbyzubb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How does anyone know these things actually happened? Who documented it? I find it all rather dubious.

    • @YelloLibra83
      @YelloLibra83 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ancient Romans did have a language and writing system. They documented a lot of what happened in their time.

  • @thomaslapins6022
    @thomaslapins6022 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have come to think "same-gender" rather than same-sex is more appropriate. This is not to say the word "sex" is the problem. Many can't get past homoSEXual implying this is who and what we are all summed up and nicely wrapped gifts, bow and all. Being in a male/female relationship is not all wrapped in the sexual aspect. It should be seen as a species quality. Homo sapiens are, like all species, about reproduction. Neither heterosexual relationships should be labeled by sexual relations. And the same with homosexual relationships. We don't spend all day wrapped around each other with no other shared interests.

  • @DavidCaietan
    @DavidCaietan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ANTONIUS 😅🤣🤣🤣 Hadrian's lovers name was ANTINOUS you genius

  • @heidib9275
    @heidib9275 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where are the references? How do we know all this? Seems unlikely it was all recorded history.

  • @saroxkingdom
    @saroxkingdom 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Sickening how they treated children.

    • @bleenlean
      @bleenlean 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this was normal for girls so why wouldnt it be normal for boys?

    • @stevecharters8965
      @stevecharters8965 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Childhood was invented by the Victorians. Before the 19th century you were simply a young person, a tradition of exploitation that persists in many cultures today with child soldiers or child labourers working for a penny a day as examples.

    • @norgessalg6640
      @norgessalg6640 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They weren't children, woman, they were adolescents. Adolescents are not children.

    • @randomcamus9445
      @randomcamus9445 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Romans had to choose between their slaves who were mainly northern barbarians to have😏🤤🍆🥵..

    • @magicworld3242
      @magicworld3242 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Caucasian Slave Owners did the exact same thing to the "male" and "female" children of the slaves.

  • @ferrisulf
    @ferrisulf ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The hearts floating around when talking about grown men and teenage boys was really odd, giving off pedophile vibes. It would be one thing to show them side by side like in the video. But the hearts flying around? That was disturbing.

    • @historymadeeasy
      @historymadeeasy  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      We will do better next time

    • @mandieeleaver3321
      @mandieeleaver3321 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes it is disturbing they were way to young for that kind of relationship.

    • @Rx6666
      @Rx6666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Grow up.

    • @Serjo777
      @Serjo777 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nothing "disturbing" about that. What's disturbing is modern people's weird attitudes towards sexuality. Also p-philes are not into teenagers so wtf are you talking about?

    • @dingodancer
      @dingodancer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Sexual attraction of men to teenage boys is not paedophilia. It is Hebephilia for young teenagers, Ephebophilia for middle aged teenagers and Teleiophilia for older teenagers. Paedophilia relates only to pre-pubescent individuals.

  • @williamcampbell7485
    @williamcampbell7485 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love is the ultimate expression of our common humanity , and will always transcend social taboos , But their are times when you must walk away.

  • @mikeyh0
    @mikeyh0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lust is a deadly sin. It not only corrupts the spirit as with envy, wrath or pride but it also corrupts the physical body via various diseases. But if that is your particular predilection, well, good luck

  • @lickasto00
    @lickasto00 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    balone! those creepy Romans and today's creepy society....wether poor or rich...had all the same desires....TWINKS!.

  • @TheHoveHeretic
    @TheHoveHeretic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Odd image to go with Tiberius, who was over 50 when he became emperor and famously had for years suffered from disfiguring facial skin issues.

  • @shedrick2417
    @shedrick2417 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this happened in pakistan ?

    • @blindfollower
      @blindfollower 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bacha bazi

  • @dano3952
    @dano3952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always figured the reason Vito acted so homophobic was because he was hiding his predilections behind a facade of rough and tough machismo. Seems very rampant among many of them ;-)

    • @kjp4250
      @kjp4250 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you remember it was Phil Leotardo who acted overly and violently homophobic when the truth about Vito emerged.

  • @Vejur9000
    @Vejur9000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    From early history to today, children have had a right to their own bodies, not be sexually dictated to, or exploited by adults. Period.
    Yet history has always shown, how powerless children have been, by class or by poverty, as the most vulnerable in society… to this day. And screw that BS about how advantageous it was for the children…..
    This is a mortal sin that plagues mankind, to this day.

  • @castlegate2015
    @castlegate2015 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Id like to see the historical references for these assumptions.

  • @jacksavage279
    @jacksavage279 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Because of this depravity and decadent lifestyles Rome fell.

    • @Djr67
      @Djr67 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No fool

    • @terrydempsey6174
      @terrydempsey6174 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So will Mmrrrca fall. Who’s more depraved and decadent than DJT, aka Jesus?

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Actually it was the barbarians and the lead and hot baths reducing fertility…

    • @Nai61a
      @Nai61a 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      jack etc: Read some history, think about it some more, and then come back and see whether you still think this comment is accurate.
      I'll give you a couple of hints:
      On which day did the "depravity and decadent lifestyles" suddenly become too much?
      Did the Roman Empire grow or shrink? When and why?

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nai61a >> I wouldn’t say gayness killed the Roman Empire…by itself.

  • @me-ds2il
    @me-ds2il 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    But what disturbs me about these "histories" of ancient Roman depravities is that what they miss is that other nations peoples had just as many deoravities and even worse. Compared to which the Romans were civilized. The only reason we know about the romandy is bc they had a highly developed system of writing.

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fair point.

  • @Liz4355
    @Liz4355 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interesting. You speak very clearly!

    • @historymadeeasy
      @historymadeeasy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks 😊

    • @shawnific
      @shawnific 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      its AI generated voice.

  • @verter
    @verter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The picture quality in your video is very low. What AI generator are you using? You even can't afford a subscription to Midjourney to generate high-quality and interesting images? As far as I understand, it's about ancient Rome. Then why are some characters in the images wearing ancient Russian or medieval costumes? Why deceive your viewers?

    • @historymadeeasy
      @historymadeeasy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We will work on that !

    • @marco8696
      @marco8696 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ai deny this type of picture!...

  • @TimothyMathews
    @TimothyMathews 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The age gap in the relationshis described was not old man and young boy. The age difference was generally only a few years in the traditional Greek Erastes and Eromenos relationship.

  • @ws1814
    @ws1814 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The comment section of this video is like the flight catalog of Epstein island.

  • @donaldbush1182
    @donaldbush1182 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Founding Fathers Episode is due out in January.

  • @ManuelCampagna
    @ManuelCampagna 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sporus was castrated not by Nero but in the course of his initiation into the cult of the Great Mother.

  • @astralclub5964
    @astralclub5964 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So pitcher and catcher!

    • @kevindean394
      @kevindean394 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm the catcher

  • @weatherboi
    @weatherboi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Not the perverted things I remember reading about in history books.

  • @JoTracy
    @JoTracy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Stop conflating sexuality with gender! Gah!!

  • @brihmendiola4347
    @brihmendiola4347 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These things still happen today but behind closed doors. In specialty fields like art, acting, dancing, figure skating, minor/ major league basball, football and basketball, and so on.

  • @1psoas9
    @1psoas9 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Modern understanding has diverged from the ancient. And Hadrian's young beloved was Antinous, not Antonius. If you're really interestedin this, look up the Sacred Band of Thebes, for the Greek precedents of the ROman practices. THe biggest difference is that in the wealthy countries nowadays machinery does a very great deal of the heavy lifting that used to have to be done by human beings, mules, oxen, elephants, etc

  • @spatchmo6938
    @spatchmo6938 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did everyone in the Roman Empire have those malformed, AI drawn hands?

  • @kevinorth1795
    @kevinorth1795 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A challenge with inter generational intimacy of ancient times, contemporary predators point is out to make sense of and justify their abuse. That being said - mutually consenting, informed, constructive behavior is their own business.

  • @wealthy95
    @wealthy95 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Wow ! Good looking young guys they had back in them days. I'm saving up to buy a time machine.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      🤮

    • @MikeScott-ez7iw
      @MikeScott-ez7iw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was a disgusting comment do to the fact I was knocked unconscious and sexually assaulted by a football 🏈 coach at the age of 7 years old in 1973 Wilton CT it's wrong period back in that time it was wrong period these were boy's being sexually abused

    • @tomallen9791
      @tomallen9791 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'll donate if I can reserve a seat.

    • @jacqqulen9106
      @jacqqulen9106 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go to Asia. Plenty of young looking beautiful lads and they're not minors. You can easily find a 23-30 something that look like teenagers

    • @kennethwilliams4874
      @kennethwilliams4874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've already booked my reservation for the time machine.

  • @jaybee9269
    @jaybee9269 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think TH-cam knows me too well.

  • @stevenj9970
    @stevenj9970 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Ah, the GOOD old days.....

    • @GuidoLoko
      @GuidoLoko 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Helllll yahhhh!!

    • @danyielsays4621
      @danyielsays4621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yesssss

    • @kennethwilliams4874
      @kennethwilliams4874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wish I was friends with Tiberius back then...😉😉

    • @marco8696
      @marco8696 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wise words😂

  • @mucro849
    @mucro849 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This will all come back when Christian morality atrophies.

  • @AnaBrown-i7k
    @AnaBrown-i7k 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's why Rome fell. No empire can survive normalized degeneracy.

  • @johnfisher247
    @johnfisher247 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The person who posted and wrote this clip has missed points. He omitted to add crucial point. Homosexuality was not a accepted in Roman society. There is a story of a young Roman Officer who was propositioned by his commander. He responded by killing him with his sword and was praised for it by Sulla or Marius? Augustus Caesar passed laws forbidding Roman citizens (nobility or senators) from the "vice of the Greeks" through Greeks theatre. As a background pedestry was considered dishonourable in Athens and I have read in Plato's Symposium a man should not give presents or groom a boy but wait until he had face hair. This Greek vice was copied by some Roman admirers of Greek culture after they conquered Greece. Roman male citizens were considered dishonoured if they permitted a male to sodomise them. They therefore used slaves as the passive partner because they were not equals, they owned them, they could not refuse and they had the power of life and death over them. They also used castrated boys, teens or males in the same way. Hadrian has sex with whom he wished and Antinous was a castrated teenage boy. After Emperor Nero allegedly kicked his second wife Sabina to death in 65 A.D., he met a slave boy named Sporus who looked like her. So Nero had him castrated and took him as his bride. Which was listed amongst his many vices that led to his assassination.
    Tiberius collected and used male, female, eunuchs, boys and girls slaves in his villa on Capri. He called the children who commited sexual acts in his pool his "little minnows". Seutonius the Roman historian related these stories to illustrate the sordid dishonour of some of the Roman emperors. I suspect his presentation of this subject has a personal agenda. Of course erotic use of others in Roman society is about use, abuse, control and instant gratification made possible by the commoditisation of humans as chattel slaves.

  • @richardanderson9957
    @richardanderson9957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A concubine? Like what elected politicians are to the donors who bought them their positions.

  • @benjaminpenamartinez1194
    @benjaminpenamartinez1194 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please mention Sporus and Sabina please

  • @touchstoneaf
    @touchstoneaf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Why are we talking about Greek customs if the video is supposed to be about Roman ones?

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because it was more of a custom in Greece and Sparta. Even when men there were married. I knew about this long ago. Infact it put me off the film Zorba the Greek.

    • @tubulardude44
      @tubulardude44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Roman Empire included the area that today is Greece.

    • @touchstoneaf
      @touchstoneaf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lynnmeyers10 you're missing my point. If you're talking about Roman customs and you start talking about Greek customs, which were very different, and using Greek words, which Romans didn't use in this situation, to discuss how Romans did things, then you are being misleading. You have to at least preface it by saying, "hey, by the way, right now we're talking about what Greek custom was like and the Greek words for it". Because the two countries did it in entirely different ways.

    • @touchstoneaf
      @touchstoneaf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tubulardude44 you're entirely missing my point. The video about Romans starts talking about Greek customs, which were entirely different and between the same social caste, and using Greek words, which were not used in Rome for this situation, without prefacing that they are talking about Greeks in that moment, so that makes it sound like they're talking about Roman custom. But they weren’t, They were talking about Greek custom using Greek words, which is entirely misleading and inaccurate. All I was saying is, if you're going to start talking about Greek stuff, you need to actually say "by the way, right now I'm talking about Greek stuff, not Roman stuff", because it's not accurate to make it sound like Romans did it the same way, because they did not.

    • @lynnmeyers10
      @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @touchstoneaf so? It's called conversation. It isn't a classroom on here. Relax. Besides the rest of us can follow it. Can't you? I hope so.

  • @mylesgarcia4625
    @mylesgarcia4625 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What beautiful faces you have created!!

  • @rosacanina5353
    @rosacanina5353 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    What picture from russian court is doing here??? 0:13

  • @ManuelCampagna
    @ManuelCampagna 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hadria's famous companion was "Antinoüs", not "Antonius". Check your sources.

  • @lynnmeyers10
    @lynnmeyers10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And they wonder why ROME FELL??!

  • @ClaraLemlichRules
    @ClaraLemlichRules 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Research more, the act of having sex with young proteges wasn't look in a positive way even in old Rome, it may have been legal, like drinking alcohol today, but nobody likes alcoholics. There's many evidence supporting this, do your research please.

    • @wulfsorenson8859
      @wulfsorenson8859 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This is exactly right. It was tolerated but considered shameful. This video is propaganda.

    • @mikegalvin9801
      @mikegalvin9801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@wulfsorenson8859Partially true. Unlike the Greeks it was considered a vice but it was a relatively mild one. Of course we're talking about the decadent upper classes here, a small percentage of the population. They would of course have regarded the concept of monogamy as bizarre and unnatural. On the other hand that became a huge selling point allowing the tiny cult of Christianity to grow so explosively as Roman women, being women, naturally liked the idea of monogamy.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mikegalvin9801 still only the "top" (the dominant men) had any respect, "bottoms" where discriminated and laughed at.

    • @mikegalvin9801
      @mikegalvin9801 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​Yes a Roman adult HAD to be the top. The old line about Julius Ceaser being "a husband to women and a wife to men" was said by his political enemies as a smear campaign. As a teen though it was as this says to be in a relationship with a richer, more powerful man as long as it ended at the appropriate age.

    • @ClaraLemlichRules
      @ClaraLemlichRules 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@mikegalvin9801 indeed Mike, not being the "top" was look as "humiliating and inferior" so not such a gay paradise after all. Now Pedo paradise...

  • @eyeswideopen7777
    @eyeswideopen7777 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Politicians were gay

  • @stevecharters8965
    @stevecharters8965 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very limited understanding of M-M sex, which need not be penetrative at all, nor limited to fixed 'roles'. And what of the concept of a 'power bottom'? Anal intercourse has historically been used as a means of contraception in heterosexual relations. I don't see that a life providing education, status, bed and board, and a sexual outlet would be regarded as 'horrific' in any epoch.

  • @anboojz
    @anboojz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "My son isn't racist, i have a black friend"

  • @robertphillips5459
    @robertphillips5459 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Who cares who loved who, lighten up!

  • @danyielsays4621
    @danyielsays4621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    So Julius was a sub bottom 😮

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably that was not compatible with his self-image. No one cared who Trajan or Hadrian boinked but “bottoming,” for them would have been political suicide.

  • @einarasbieliauskas9334
    @einarasbieliauskas9334 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Satan always got himself into the most powerful places among humans! Same is now . Nothing has changed.

    • @franciscopineda2594
      @franciscopineda2594 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Satan only exists in the mind of christians. By the way the organisation with more cases of pederastia is not other than the Catholic church

    • @ptownRandy1
      @ptownRandy1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know, but thank God we voted out Comrade Trump the Traitor and his false god aspirations.

    • @Fred-nv8gf
      @Fred-nv8gf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Satan rules!

    • @einarasbieliauskas9334
      @einarasbieliauskas9334 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Fred-nv8gf Looks like for you, it does .

    • @ptownRandy1
      @ptownRandy1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't worry, Comrade Trump the Traitor and the psuedo-Christians with their philosophy of hate that follow him will always be followers of Satan.

  • @CodyBakken
    @CodyBakken 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The AI-generated visuals and narration are an interesting choice in this video. The gaffs and terminology mistakes do not lend credence to the video. The phrasing used indicates an AI-generated script, so all of the information is suspect. I question if this video has even been reviewed by a legitimate expert of Roman history.

  • @tonysmith9930
    @tonysmith9930 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So tired of AI

  • @seijin4426
    @seijin4426 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    No wonder why God and those two angels of His burned down Sodom and Gomorrah 5 million years ago back then!

    • @kennethwilliams4874
      @kennethwilliams4874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sodom and Gomorrah happened 5 million years ago?

    • @tomassokol8460
      @tomassokol8460 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kennethwilliams4874 It didn't happen at all.

  • @chips1a
    @chips1a 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The thing most forget here is that Rome destroyed itself through it's excessive, extreme, no consequences thinking. Most will say that love knows no boundaries, but forget the basic truth on what exactly happened to Rome, and then considering where we are today, Are we repeating the same acts? It is easy to say that this act, or that act cause the fall of Rome, and maybe not just one act did, but combined, they all did. Maybe it all comes down to what is morally acceptable to each one of us, some of us believe in GOD's word, some don't. I do know this though, If believing in GOD and his word, is the correct thing to do at the end, believers will be okay and non believers won't, but in case we are wrong on this, believers are not at risk of anything.

    • @Aussiemarco
      @Aussiemarco 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @chips1a You need to read a good history book. Rome reached its peak under Constantine, the Emperor who made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. Rome’s decline and fall happened when it was a Christian Empire, full of Christians worshipping the Trinity in thousands of churches. Even though they were Christians for the last 146 years, God didn’t help them.

    • @JorgeLuis-zf9fv
      @JorgeLuis-zf9fv 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol. Sure. Whatever you say. God never say anything about gays. If you care about other people sexuality you are probably a closeted homosexual. Lol. God this and God that. God made you gay dude. Enjoy. Here for you : 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

  • @larryhardwick3349
    @larryhardwick3349 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    stuff you wont learn in middle school or high school

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Read Suetonius’ “The Twelve Caesars” in Robert Graves original translation if you can find it. Of course, no one knows how reliable that really is.

  • @bobbytheblade2550
    @bobbytheblade2550 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    And this is why Rome fell.

    • @marco8696
      @marco8696 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean?

    • @aleidamendoza4824
      @aleidamendoza4824 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Así es .

    • @lanzdy9215
      @lanzdy9215 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well Roman Empire lasted more than a thousands of years. Roman Empire eventually became Christian and move the capital to Constantinople. The Empire was eventually divided into east and west , the west Roman empire fell due to poor management and east live longer as the Byzantine Empire and ended when the Muslims invaded the Constantinople. Therefore it isn't the reason thought.

    • @marco8696
      @marco8696 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lanzdy9215 such a powerfull ancient empire

    • @lanzdy9215
      @lanzdy9215 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marco8696 Indeed, I once watch about Roman weapons and warfare Documentary. Romans has many unique military weapons design that gives it advantage in warfare. Roman generals were also knows how to utilize various tactics such as battle formations and terrain which is a key part in Roman warfare. This is how Romans manage to expand and control a vast territory for a thousands of years.

  • @routeman680
    @routeman680 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The computer-generated faces are very good looking. I think the costumes are mostly fanciful and over-elaborate. But in one picture the man has his right arm round the boy's shoulders and another right arm in front of himself....

  • @wisemanmhlanga8832
    @wisemanmhlanga8832 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so the whole country were gays😂😂😂

  • @tonyalmodovar6878
    @tonyalmodovar6878 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who new in regards to men and sex in Roman life 😊

  • @acharyajs
    @acharyajs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh God..is Romilla Thapar ,India's supposed to be the greatest historian watching this?
    Nay....she will rubbish it!

  • @pierre5325
    @pierre5325 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Welp, that shatters my love affair with Roman history!

  • @shawnific
    @shawnific 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    yes lets explain the sexual behavior in antiquity in 16 minutes.

  • @michaeldriskell2038
    @michaeldriskell2038 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Call it what you will, it's wrong and pagan .

    • @leighbotts9694
      @leighbotts9694 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then don’t engage in it.

    • @michaeldriskell2038
      @michaeldriskell2038 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@leighbotts9694 I thought what I put said that.

  • @esteroverdevest6462
    @esteroverdevest6462 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Samurai did this too in old Japan also chines has male concubine .

  • @ijunkie
    @ijunkie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Erastes were not that old. They were in the 20s and 30s.

  • @walcyrgrillo2755
    @walcyrgrillo2755 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    who. s that hand on boy's shoulders on minute 2:14?

    • @ungrateful-66
      @ungrateful-66 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What about the six finger hand on the older guys shoulder?

  • @DonnyBlake-g2o
    @DonnyBlake-g2o 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well concubines wasn't nothing past the wife he was already cheating on like it's about nobody but the husband really