Which is very sad for all those artists who stuck with DA for years, but that is really what DAs going for, so... I just feel really sorry for DA artists, I hope they can find better plataforms to share their work.
@@blulsixl1004 that sucks that it started as a plateform of freedom for all artist and noe catets to IA bros I see less NFT tbh, but tond of AI. And it is frustrating because there isn't any other websites alike Deviant Art. Buzzly was rising nice and its owner just messed up badly and now it is super small again, and other similar website like pixiv are generally really niche for one art style
The sad state of DeviantART, Instagram, and Twitter really bums me out and is bitter sweet imho. Twitter despite being a toxic cesspool full of people who won’t shut up and scream the loudest online was once a great place to promote artwork, small businesses, and journalism. But, now thanks to Elon, it’s become this toxic hell gate full of people buying validation for 8$/month (Despite Elon making claims he’s a free speech absolutist only to try as hard as he can to censor people) and where people go back and fourth arguing about politics and getting involved in culture wars. Instagram is a hollow husk of itself due to Mark Zuckerberg and Adam Messori’s thick skull. He doubled down on Reels and the horrible changes to the platform despite a ton of back lash from Kylie Jenner’s fanbase and the community. And not the platform is even worse than before because Facebook decided to copy Elon’s homework and started putting basic features behind a paywall. The sad state of Social Media is really concerning. It’s almost Dystopian.
@@petitsmacarons2373 Artfol is doing a lot of right things but it is still a baby with a very small development team. I do enjoy my time there and the community feels a bit like old school deviantart.
Twitter- 8$/Month blue checkmarks, putting basic security features behind a paywall, changes the algorithm to where people who only pay for the checkmark gets noticed Instagram- sees Twitter’s homework and basically says “I like your cut, G” and copies Twitter DeviantART- *This video* TH-cam - puts better video quality behind premium and makes ads more unskipable Yeah Social Media is basically on the dystopian BlackMirror arc at this point…
@@QueenSharotto The damage has been already done by their poor decisions no matter how much they're trying so hard to make their artist users "pleased." I find it laughably ironic how they banned art thieves yet they're selling *PLAGIARLIZED ARTWORK for MONEY.* The support DeviantArt has given to artists in that site is a lie.
This is all so disappointing to hear. I created a new DA account a couple weeks ago and I was honestly having a more positive opinion about the site than I did when Eclipse came out. With Twitter now asking artists to purchase the blue checkmark to even have A CHANCE to be seen by others, DA was looking like a better place for artists to get noticed, and my art was in fact getting more attention there. But the Wix team just HAVE to keep making these absolutely stupid decisions that make people avoid and leave their platform. I swear we desperately need a brand new website that works just like the good old Deviantart, because every popular website now looks like it's conspiring against artists.
I all honesty I don't think DA is a bad website at the moment, like you said it is not hard to be seen, there is nice things like, when you are active enough DA will recommend you posts of new preople to comment (just ignore AI art lmao). Like I think in term of use, it is less bad than what is yelled everywhere. However, all the action they do to milk us of money is ridiculous. It is normal to need money and what money but there it is not even a "well you know we need money to work, sorry :/" but a "screw you and give me your money" I love DA and that is why it anger me so much to be treated likr a money cow and not listen to by wix
Tumblr exists. It takes a fair bit more work to build a following there, but most of the payment based features offer no benefit (and are usually just jokes) other than maybe the Blaze function, and its not algorithm based so you don't have to worry about pleasing that.
I think many artists would like the feature if the fee was 1% and didn't need no core membership, but what I know truly the people that remove categories and wanted to remove groups for being "obsolete" really know what they are doing :V
Groups being "obsolete" is the stupidest part of it... I could understand if they were referring to the many dead groups that currently exist, but there are also just as many active groups atm so it makes very little sense.
All of these fees for adoptable selling on top of the feature being locked under a CORE membership...yeah, this is a mess. It seems like it's better to sell adoptables on other sites
@@holoasteroid3734 On a related note, I still can't believe after all the site changes and implementing eclipse, they decided llama badges were gonna be the thing to keep and preserve. What the hell is this site even?
I've tried so hard to hold on this site, as it was the first ever place in which i shared my art online, so it used to hold a place in my heart :/ After Eclipse, i was like "eh.... I'll try to push on" after the AI thing i was angry and disgusted by the audacity of them, but still held hope they would go back and do more to apologize (silly me) Now i guess this is the last slap i needed to get away ...
At this point, people and Artists need to leave DA. DA has become more clear at being Corporate and are very clear about not turning back from it. Just don't use it anymore. If it's going to hurt their users more than help them, why even bother interacting with it?
One issue: where do we go? I genuinely have no clue. The alternatives that Google keeps throwing at me are portfolio sites like ArtStation! Only maybe is Pixiv and I don't understand a lick of Japanese.
I’ve left it far and dry, the last time I touched it was when I was 15 and I turned 18 in November ouch, now I just stick to Toyhouse, or Instagram when I feel like it.
the problem is for some of us, we only get picked up on dA's algorithm and nowhere else. I have always, and still continue to, get basically zero (and often times, literally zero) traffic anywhere EXCEPT dA. So telling people to leave isn't the most helpful, it's not that we're putting all our eggs in one basket, but dA is the only basket that ever gets any eggs in it. I think the most optimal solution for people like me who only get any attention on dA, is to just refuse to give them any money. Do not buy Core. Do not use their marketplace ever. Install adblock and use it. I use their site but they get no money from me
@@Silver77cyn I think TikTok for promotion, and Instagram for hosting. Not perfect, and it won't work for everybody- but I've had a lot of sucess on Tiktok, even as a mediocre artist (unfinished pieces, bad anatomy)
I get wanting to make money, but they could have at least been more subtle. Such a high percentage fee, and on top of a subscription cost, for a feature that I’d imagine isn’t that hard or revolutionary to make? It’s ridiculous.
tbh this crush me because DA is really the core place of the niche community I'm in So seeing that it's slowly dying... I don't know where we will go after that... Instagram is really not good for us, not is twitter... AAAAA
Honestly? I’d say moving to discord would be your best bet. It’s been a great place for niche interest communities both large and small, and is where I’ve gotten pretty much all my commissions and online friends, so it’s quite good from both social and marketing aspects. Can’t recommend it enough!
@@aidankoch6487 Some of us already are on Discord, but the issue is that our interest ask storage. And the hell it would be if everyone had their own little server linked to a general server. The best bet we would have in my opinion would be to have toyhouse for storage and storyline and all, and Discord for sharing and talking
@@JamesTDG I agree toyhouse is amazing ! It is already where I post everything regarding this niche. But for now most people are on DA and I am scared of where everyone will scatter
I JUST discovered many people who use AI art to sell adopts. They put their own username over the art, as if it’s their own, and I can’t imagine the audacity of the people that do that. It takes two seconds to put a prompt into the ai, artists like myself spend DAYS working on concept pieces and even I don’t put a watermark over them.
Every single thing that deviantart has done recently is just another lesson that all corporations are evil and you absolutely should not trust them to hold your best interests at heart. You would think that a company that literally only exists because of the passion of artists would have some respect said artists, but instead they are the first to throw them under the bus at the mere whiff of money.
I stopped caring about DA when the AI art boom literally jammed up my feed with AI art. I think Pixiv is almost as bad in this regard, but I can at least still find original art there more often than DA. This is just more bad business from them and I'm glad the more niche websites I post to don't allow AI art or scalp their artists for features like this.
Mind sharing the name of the site so other artists can leave da? Im really sich of hearing drama of da over the years (i left back when they had hot topic drama, selling designs without permission from the artists, wich i think is still going on in some form) and seeing literaly everyone talk about other sites and talk about how bad da is and how better other sites can be and then they dont even share the name of the other site. The sites we post to are our most important tool, and we really should be recognizing it as such, more now than ever as more and more of this exploitation of art is happening.
@@hrpdrp97 Since I'm a furry artist there's Furaffinity, Inkbunny, Weasly, Sofurry, Furry Network, and probably a couple other ones I don't know about yet. Heck posting to e621 is better than DA because they actually do crack down on AI art, though a lot of people are dicks on that site. I'm sure there are many other sites for other artist's niches and I'm sure there will be more that pop up after DA and other sites lose there relevancy. There is also Twitter and Pixiv which allow AI art, but my feed isn't completely full of it, and I can more easily ignore accounts that post AI art. With DA the main page when entering the site is almost always 90% AI art for me. I'm lucky to actually see art from people I follow on the front page these days. I already had issues with their site redesign a couple years back making it harder to find art from people I follow, and the AI art boom just made things worse. If anything I'd just tell any artist to post to as many sites as they can, even DA, because you never know where you might find your fanbase and the more you expose you art the better off you'll be as an artist.
i feel like this feature would have been decent if it wasn't core only and da didn't take funds off of it i like the idea of having an easier way to get adopts BUUTT ofc. they had to mess it up somehow
I left DeviantArt for good at least 2 years ago. The more I hear what happened since I left, the more I'm glad I did. I think I'm gonna post my art on Newgrounds instead if I get around to sharing my work with the world again.
I think it's important to note that the "NFT protect" feature also has the ability to connect an NFT to the image on DA, meaning they are playing both sides. I think it's less in place to protect artists from NFT's and more there to make it so artists can connect their art to an NFT to show it's validity as an NFT. Though I know no artists that actually support NFT's... They follow every trend, try to put a paywall on everything and pretend it's great for the community etc and I am glad people are calling it out. Hope more people help Inkblot out, so it can become the new, proper art website and that many abandon DA.
Im getting really anxious about what's happening with deviantart. Most people think its a trashfire and yes I see that but its the only place where I earn income. I've graduated college because of selling adoptables there but now I'm not really sure about my future in that site anymore. Im really worried that I wont be able to put food on the table, pay bills and buy dog food. I'm scared. I might just try to find 9-5 jobs I guess. I'm really sad that I might not be doing art in the future because of ai art and other circumstances. This world really isnt build for artists 😢
Hey! This may not be a magical solution, but consider making a newgrounds account while still having your DA account!! It's not as popular as other platforms but you don't have to worry about NFT/AI stuff and you'll be able to get your stuff out there!
Izzzyzzz just uploaded a video about a day ago called "The Rise and Fall of DeviantArt", but it seems now that video is already falling behind! :D I'll say the same thing I said under that one.. DA has 3 issues: - Corporation exploiting users for profit. - Corporation exploiting users for profit. - Corporation exploiting users for profit.
Deviantart was part of my childhood. Long life deviantart😢 I still remember the dress up games trend in internet, so many talented artist and programmers that came from DA. Just like Newgrounds.
It looks to me, like they are trying to rake as mich money as they can while the platform's sinking. Short sighted gains instead of growing community trust.
What gets me is the fact that changing your username is also a core locked feature. Why? Literally every other media lets you change it at least once for free? What can you use deviant art for without core? Is it worth using?
I am just as shocked as you are. And I do want to make adoptables too. But I am pretty sure the DA adoptables feature are eventually gonna be used for NFTs on DeviantArt. DA really needs to go back to being independent.
I think it is decent... When you have core !! And that is a big problem !! If you need to pay to have a decent service on a free website that means the management is badly done
Still waiting for a proper, fair and chill new website to replace DA that's not another social media like Instagram or Twitter where you have to fight the algorithm day and night... until then slowly moving to Toyhouse from DA
Artfol is a good website. It's made by and for artists. They banned AI and have features that makes it easier to sell art but right now it's still very small. Cara seems to be good too, is also anti-AI but also very small
How does selling AI generate characters work? Does anybody know? I know that AI generated images can't be copyrighted, but what about the characters? Are they really fit for a market? Also it's really incredible that a platform filled with artists ignores the artists' needs and preferences so blatantly. And it's "funny" how the adoptables market overflowed with AI is the perfect representation of what can happen and is happening for many art jobs and activities, and yet some people say that artists should not worry about AI. (The previous text was a general comment, but also I wanted to add, thanks Ceelstia for this informative video, it is not only an update but also makes people aware of how things are going and maybe it can help a bit improving the situation, I hope)
From someone who has accidentally bought an AI adopt I might be able to answer some of those, it seems like to some extent, if you pay some AI companies enough through like a subscription, you can "copyright" images and they cannot be duplicated and are forever unique, but I'm unsure how much of that is true, how much is allowed to be exclusive to a single piece, and what "AI Artists" aka Quick Money Grabbers want the person using their program to think. So, many AI 'artists' are probably not even educated enough to understand how scummy the entire thing is. (To put it simply, I was not aware what an AI adopt was until they told me after buying to credit the ToyHouse account to MidJourney and then I saw all the small details that just weren't... right. So then did some research to learn about WTF AI adoptables even are because I thought MidJourney was just some whatever new art program before buying. Im totally out of the DA / Art loop.) It would certainly be questionable at best though, because seeing so many of them posting identical prompts and selling almost the same things, it makes me wonder about their fit in any market as well. In my opinion after living and learning and most importantly researching, you CAN own the characters, because they themselves are unique and are bits and pieces and code made into a visual photo that hasn't been made before, less or more depending on the AI program you use, but you indeed cannot claim that initial 'art piece' as your own by any means. And because of that.. well, what's the point? I would say less to the people who knowingly buy it, "can you?'' and more "why would you?"
@@GhostKibble As far as copyright law is concerned, the image is not protected and anyone can take a copy of it if they have access to it to use for whatever purpose they please. However, as for the AI side of ensuring it stays 'unique' they can only really garuntee that in terms of the AI not generating a perfect match to it. A precedent for this has already been set in many countries around the world. When it applies to characters, its a little more of a grey area. You own all copyright to the images you make, but to my knowledge unless you make a substantial edit to the character as an actual person, the character itself has no protection. This is because in order for something to be copyrightable, there needs to be substantial human input (prompts don't count!) in the process. A rough concept generated by an AI and then iterated upon a few times before being finalised would be copyrightable, a full character design straight out of the machine would not. Regardless of where you stand on the morality of AI generated images, I need to make one thing clear. What happened to you is against the ToS of EVERY Ai image generator out there. As per the ToS, every repost of AI generated images is required to include a statement that the image was generated using AI. Because of this, if you do upload the character to Toyhouse, you will have to credit MidJourney for the image, however to my knowledge if you were to redraw the character manually and upload it this requirement does not apply.
@@iamaylacat3935 So many people gloss over the "accreditation" aspect in the TOS of those AI software. At the same time they took our accreditation away so personally, it feels good to see them get screwed over by their users like that.
@@JMulvy Yeah, the biggest issue by far with AI image generators is the amount of work that they have that has a special license on it that dictates that credit is required in any and all usage of the work, and yet they don't give credit for it in their systems. Does make it funny when people don't credit the AI images. Still think it should be enforced though, at least in regards to the copyright rulings regarding AI art and selling/buying images/characters.
They create ton of AI adopt and selling them 1-5$ 😂 anyone who accidently bought it can't even show they art cuz when they show they adopt anyone can download and use it as their own. AI art are not copyright so anyone can use it for free, No value at all
Reminds me of how two days ago I was trying to find some DTA adoptables and kept finding some A.I. ones instead. It's funny see this video and reading the comments.
I used to give away adoptables and had my own group to do it in. They (much to my surprise) became popular. DeviantArt is starting to piss me off as they have continuously trampled over their artists by selling their art, a trash help desk, A.I. bs, and now this. I probably missed a few but I wish there was a better website to use and a more popular one. One that actually respects the artists that join.
I keep going back and forth on leaving DeviantArt. The main reason why I stay is because of a group called OC-Training. It's the only place I know they operate, and their community is a wonderful place to be.
I'm not gonna act like any website would see they have a gold mine and would just help automate it without asking for a single cent. We know this was to tap into a market they left alone until this point. Problem is, they got greedy with how much money they want. If this feature was open to everyone and it was only a small fee like 3-5%, not many would have a problem with it. Besides the fact it's deviantart of course and they've done too much damage for a lot of adopt sellers to come back.
I'm a hairs breadth away from nuking my account altogether. I stopped posting already after the last AI stuff but at this point I really don't even know why I even keep my account... And that after I only just created a new one in 2021 to give the platform another shot, only for it to then jump headfirst into a big steaming pile of shite.
DA is very dead for me, and I deleted my account. I can't stand that features are behind a pay wall. Social media is now being ruined with subscriptions fees.
Me just chilling and relaxing creating adoptables and looking into running a DeviantArt litter shop (creating litters of young; for me Foxes, Wolves, Cats, and Lions only)
They bring back Ads. Consider the lawsuit on DreamUp. And the Adoptable news doesn't help the case. 8:32 Love your avatar portrait here. I doubt the huge amount of Ai art in Adoptable will shut down the idea but as DA is a firm supporter of it. Adoptables can survive without this Eclipse feature.
As somebody who participates in the adoptable community on DA myself, it's honestly utterly disgusting I wouldn't even use the base feature if it was free and didn't take any of the profit, my favorite part is interacting with buyers and making friendships through that. I love seeing the stories people make with my silly little designs, I don't even know if I'd know who bought the design in the first place.
I'm debating leaving DeviantArt all together. It was so much better when I first discovered it back in 2013, but I feel like it's lost all the heart it had. Wix has completely destroyed what it once was and made it a place that fosters more negativity, AI, NFTs, and art theft. I miss the love that was put into the original website.
I dropped out right when eclipse came in. People seemed pretty split on it back then but I think now we can all see it was the beginning of their shit slide into hell
There are benefits to the feature-yes, the price is CRAZY, so I personally won’t be using it-but the protection it gives legit sellers in terms of chargebacks & scammers is very helpful. I just hope things can be improved in terms of the unmoderated market & cost
I'm expecting Wix itself to start getting heat, soon. At the least for taking all the personality out of iconic websites and making them all the same, generic, disappointments, if not for their shady business practices. DA Prime was iconic. Now it's a glossy, soulless mess and the same thing happened to IMDB. Wix may pretend they're a friend to the small business but I'm not so sure about that.
As a core member, I can confirm Devianart is super bullshit when it comes to perks and they're not that great in some areas, I don't have the highest tear but I did noticed that my art does get recommended to other people more often than when I didn't have this. OH let's also bring how they nuked the "recently posted art" tab I even forgot the actual name of it, You know how many artists old and new and underapreciated you could find. That one infuriate me the most, even more than AI art, that's just blatant murdering everyone who isn't good enough or spammy enough! I am surprised there are even people here, this is why I like newgrounds more, though they do need some modifications because they're severely lacking some features despite being so old, I rather have the rating system, although harsh I much rather having that and also having a platform that actually supports artists than not.
It is a mess too, because what I want to do isn't 'accept an offer' for my fanart adoptable I made, but get someone to deliver on showing proof of use in an actual story. (Which lies somewhere beyond picking something up and showing people how 'cool' their adoptable is without doing anything but hang it on a wall or resell it.) This 'feature' doesn't really help me at all. I don't need handholding [all the time in every way]. I kinda need people to take my two figurative cents and usually only *after* they do should they give me handholding. And they aren't. I hope DeviantART comes out of the closet and just admits that they want to be a pay-to-use service, because to be fair, it would remove a lot of headaches for me as a person who uses the platform for free.
Well the USCO has news for them... officially, AI generated art can not be copy written and prompt crafting is not enough to qualify as human authorship. Which means I can right-click download any AI deviation and post it as my own, or use it in my art, then apply for a copyright on it myself and if they have a problem with it, I have legal recourse. They don't.
Inkblot's pretty good; made by artists, updated frequently, has a strict "No NFTs/AI" rule, has pretty good NSFW rules (things including minors, real or not, is forbidden thank fuck), and has pretty good customization. There's also pillowfort, which is still being worked on but is slowly becoming a good replacement for Twitter and tumblr.
Ah yes DA screwing it more ..... as someone who's created a DA account in 2015 and been actively posting since 2018 with ALL of my current income coming from my adoptables and rare commissions I do there... this worries me... Soon this page will surely be so screwed up and I have absolutely zero idea where to go once that happens
@@VirgoLeaf I have only used both superficially on and off, but Tumblr feels way more isolated than DA in a way. It's fine for me, but maybe other people would feel weird without a way of forming groups?
I literally just checked deviantart and it’s FULL of ai adoptables. Literally on the front page, it’s mostly ai art all over anyways but the fact that I can’t check an Art website and see real art and instead have to scroll through countless lifeless computer generated art is insane. And the fact that I as a buyer can’t shop for adopts without seeing ugly characters people made by typing into a computer is destroying the adoptable market.
Honestly I'd argue that the marketplace feature isn't actually a new/helpful thing. Let us not forget- Eclipse removed categories- categories which allowed users to easily access a clear site gallery of any type of artwork based on category- and there WAS one for adoptables! Even this is a shittier version of a prior feature!
How can you tell the difference now between AI Art and a human artist who has that similar painterly style? I can't tell the difference between the two. I have seen realistic painterly styles from humans get accused and bullied because they believe they are AI artists... :/
Even when adoptables aren't my thing, there's people that sells even actual trademarked characters as adoptables, this can make people that do fanarts and fanfics looks bad
Spent soo much of my teen years on DA , deleted my acc last year :/ was really tempted to start fresh this year, but I kind of doubt that now. Anyone know of a better site ? 😅 I kind of doubt there is much out of insta and tiktok.
The adoptable feature is pretty bad, but the commission feature is the biggest godsend ever. It makes it easy for me (someone who cant have paypal until a few years) to make stuff for ACTUAL money and have somewhere to store it. I don't mind opening a point commission once a month to pay for the core, and then spend the rest of the month on gaining actual cash. Yeah maybe old devianart was better but I've found a good flow for current DeviantArt aswell
.. is it weird my only thought is that the eyes look odd when rendered? it's probably just me. like only after they were rendered. not drawn or colored.. rendered
So glad i left when i did back when they were showing off eclipse and what it would eventually become. Deviantart is no longer about the artists and the passionate communities. Its all greed now.
Seriously this video Every time I'm thinking "Omg WHAT WERE THEY THINKING" you follow up with a "BUT THAT'S NOT ALL" If any part of me considered returning to deviantart, it's been slashed totally. I really mourn for what was once a nice site to grow
7:15 but isn't the mindset itself kinda of... weird, that something "should be free" ? or like the mindset "im using other ppls stuff/work and expect to make 100% profit, not wanna give any cut" thingy like that. When did this kind of mindset become common?
@@lonely_saturn Oh you aren't using others work? What about the coding? the servers? the designers? ur not using anything at all someone else made, maintained etc? rly?
DA having some egregious fee for selling through (rather than simply on) their platform isn't anything new, so that it would extend to something like this isn't surprising. They had a similar fee for selling commissions through their commission userpage widget way back despite them providing literally nothing other than a button to say "I want this one".
I deleted my dA months ago cuz I was sick of the front page being filled with AI trash and people were selling them as adoptables. it was scummy and I had to leave finally.
Honestly, I'm not even a fan of the idea of removing the seller customer communication aspect from adoptables. Unless someone is being slow to pay, it really only takes a few minutes, it's not hard. I used to sell adopts a lot and I'd get a lot of excited and sweet messages from people who bought my designs and it really lifted me up and improved my mood. If it's automated that is lost, and it just feels like an overall negative to me.
Honestly, they should just rebrand Deviantart as what it is now: an A.I. image generator marketplace catered toward AI image and NFT enthusiasts.
Which is very sad for all those artists who stuck with DA for years, but that is really what DAs going for, so...
I just feel really sorry for DA artists, I hope they can find better plataforms to share their work.
@@blulsixl1004 that sucks that it started as a plateform of freedom for all artist and noe catets to IA bros
I see less NFT tbh, but tond of AI.
And it is frustrating because there isn't any other websites alike Deviant Art.
Buzzly was rising nice and its owner just messed up badly and now it is super small again, and other similar website like pixiv are generally really niche for one art style
@@blulsixl1004 I have DeviantArt too. And some good DeviantArt alternatives in my opinion are Pixiv, Newgrounds, and Weasyl.
The sad state of DeviantART, Instagram, and Twitter really bums me out and is bitter sweet imho. Twitter despite being a toxic cesspool full of people who won’t shut up and scream the loudest online was once a great place to promote artwork, small businesses, and journalism. But, now thanks to Elon, it’s become this toxic hell gate full of people buying validation for 8$/month (Despite Elon making claims he’s a free speech absolutist only to try as hard as he can to censor people) and where people go back and fourth arguing about politics and getting involved in culture wars. Instagram is a hollow husk of itself due to Mark Zuckerberg and Adam Messori’s thick skull. He doubled down on Reels and the horrible changes to the platform despite a ton of back lash from Kylie Jenner’s fanbase and the community. And not the platform is even worse than before because Facebook decided to copy Elon’s homework and started putting basic features behind a paywall. The sad state of Social Media is really concerning. It’s almost Dystopian.
@@petitsmacarons2373 Artfol is doing a lot of right things but it is still a baby with a very small development team. I do enjoy my time there and the community feels a bit like old school deviantart.
**Casually slowly turning into the EA of the art-world with the grace of a steamroller**
Damn. That’s quite the insult, and entirely deserved.
DA might as well be EA but for art
This gamer agrees.
Twitter- 8$/Month blue checkmarks, putting basic security features behind a paywall, changes the algorithm to where people who only pay for the checkmark gets noticed
Instagram- sees Twitter’s homework and basically says “I like your cut, G” and copies Twitter
DeviantART- *This video*
TH-cam - puts better video quality behind premium and makes ads more unskipable
Yeah Social Media is basically on the dystopian BlackMirror arc at this point…
Just remember that DeviantArt is getting sued for AI art theft and the case is still going. I wish them a speed bankruptcy.
Personally speaking, I hope DA loses because then they’ll learn the following quote hard way:
*”That your actions have consequences.”*
@@QueenSharotto The damage has been already done by their poor decisions no matter how much they're trying so hard to make their artist users "pleased." I find it laughably ironic how they banned art thieves yet they're selling *PLAGIARLIZED ARTWORK for MONEY.* The support DeviantArt has given to artists in that site is a lie.
It's almost like they're asking to be bankrupted. So weird
@@Xylem3Keys DA are hypocrites
Amen🙏 ❤
This is all so disappointing to hear. I created a new DA account a couple weeks ago and I was honestly having a more positive opinion about the site than I did when Eclipse came out. With Twitter now asking artists to purchase the blue checkmark to even have A CHANCE to be seen by others, DA was looking like a better place for artists to get noticed, and my art was in fact getting more attention there. But the Wix team just HAVE to keep making these absolutely stupid decisions that make people avoid and leave their platform. I swear we desperately need a brand new website that works just like the good old Deviantart, because every popular website now looks like it's conspiring against artists.
I all honesty I don't think DA is a bad website at the moment, like you said it is not hard to be seen, there is nice things like, when you are active enough DA will recommend you posts of new preople to comment (just ignore AI art lmao).
Like I think in term of use, it is less bad than what is yelled everywhere.
However, all the action they do to milk us of money is ridiculous.
It is normal to need money and what money but there it is not even a "well you know we need money to work, sorry :/" but a "screw you and give me your money"
I love DA and that is why it anger me so much to be treated likr a money cow and not listen to by wix
Time to check out Inkblot then
true! this is the only place where my stuff gets attention. so sad to see it going downhill.
being an artist nowdays suck :/
we need to spread Artfol around!!!
Tumblr exists. It takes a fair bit more work to build a following there, but most of the payment based features offer no benefit (and are usually just jokes) other than maybe the Blaze function, and its not algorithm based so you don't have to worry about pleasing that.
Deviantart isn't deviantart anymore. its a soulless cash grabbing A.I marketplace now.
I think many artists would like the feature if the fee was 1% and didn't need no core membership, but what I know truly the people that remove categories and wanted to remove groups for being "obsolete" really know what they are doing :V
Groups being "obsolete" is the stupidest part of it... I could understand if they were referring to the many dead groups that currently exist, but there are also just as many active groups atm so it makes very little sense.
All of these fees for adoptable selling on top of the feature being locked under a CORE membership...yeah, this is a mess. It seems like it's better to sell adoptables on other sites
They just can’t stop getting cancelled
They just love taking those L's, can't get enough of 'em.
@@velvi8359 I can’t even recall any of their W moments it’s just that bad now I guess 💀
You can’t be cancelled if you keep getting canceled.👁️🧠👁️
@@velvi8359 They're collecting L's like they're Llama badges.
@@holoasteroid3734 On a related note, I still can't believe after all the site changes and implementing eclipse, they decided llama badges were gonna be the thing to keep and preserve. What the hell is this site even?
I really miss the old DA, it used to be so nice and friendly as long as you stayed away from certain parts. Now it’s just another money hungry site
I've tried so hard to hold on this site, as it was the first ever place in which i shared my art online, so it used to hold a place in my heart :/
After Eclipse, i was like "eh.... I'll try to push on" after the AI thing i was angry and disgusted by the audacity of them, but still held hope they would go back and do more to apologize (silly me)
Now i guess this is the last slap i needed to get away ...
It's better to leave a sinking ship while you can.
Hi, I'm an aspiring artist and I juet made my DA account. But i feel like it might be better for me to leave now, while I can. Where did you move to?
At this point, people and Artists need to leave DA. DA has become more clear at being Corporate and are very clear about not turning back from it. Just don't use it anymore.
If it's going to hurt their users more than help them, why even bother interacting with it?
One issue: where do we go? I genuinely have no clue. The alternatives that Google keeps throwing at me are portfolio sites like ArtStation! Only maybe is Pixiv and I don't understand a lick of Japanese.
I’ve left it far and dry, the last time I touched it was when I was 15 and I turned 18 in November ouch, now I just stick to Toyhouse, or Instagram when I feel like it.
the problem is for some of us, we only get picked up on dA's algorithm and nowhere else. I have always, and still continue to, get basically zero (and often times, literally zero) traffic anywhere EXCEPT dA. So telling people to leave isn't the most helpful, it's not that we're putting all our eggs in one basket, but dA is the only basket that ever gets any eggs in it.
I think the most optimal solution for people like me who only get any attention on dA, is to just refuse to give them any money. Do not buy Core. Do not use their marketplace ever. Install adblock and use it. I use their site but they get no money from me
What other platform would you recommend?
@@Silver77cyn I think TikTok for promotion, and Instagram for hosting. Not perfect, and it won't work for everybody- but I've had a lot of sucess on Tiktok, even as a mediocre artist (unfinished pieces, bad anatomy)
I get wanting to make money, but they could have at least been more subtle. Such a high percentage fee, and on top of a subscription cost, for a feature that I’d imagine isn’t that hard or revolutionary to make? It’s ridiculous.
tbh this crush me because DA is really the core place of the niche community I'm in
So seeing that it's slowly dying... I don't know where we will go after that...
Instagram is really not good for us, not is twitter...
AAAAA
I'm holed out on toyhouse and newgrounds, been pretty cushy so far
Honestly? I’d say moving to discord would be your best bet. It’s been a great place for niche interest communities both large and small, and is where I’ve gotten pretty much all my commissions and online friends, so it’s quite good from both social and marketing aspects. Can’t recommend it enough!
@@aidankoch6487 Some of us already are on Discord, but the issue is that our interest ask storage. And the hell it would be if everyone had their own little server linked to a general server.
The best bet we would have in my opinion would be to have toyhouse for storage and storyline and all, and Discord for sharing and talking
@@JamesTDG I agree toyhouse is amazing ! It is already where I post everything regarding this niche. But for now most people are on DA and I am scared of where everyone will scatter
Artfol is a good website tho it is very small at the moment and it's hard to get noticed
I'm surprised this God forsaken trashfire from hell of a website is even still up and running considering what's been going on with it.
Because it's becoming overrun by NFTs, AI bullshit and fetishes, scams and hackers.
I think the same thing about Amino everyday.
Some rascals keep going it's incredible.
Thos ye DA isn't that bad... For now, and when you pay....
Can’t wait for their “apology post” where they pretend all this was an accident.
And I'm ready to tell em "haha, no, f you, you knew what you were doing, you guys were trying to f us in the wallet!"
I JUST discovered many people who use AI art to sell adopts. They put their own username over the art, as if it’s their own, and I can’t imagine the audacity of the people that do that. It takes two seconds to put a prompt into the ai, artists like myself spend DAYS working on concept pieces and even I don’t put a watermark over them.
Ai adopt is just disgusting as AI art can't claim. Anyone who saw it can download and use it whatever they want without illegal.
Every single thing that deviantart has done recently is just another lesson that all corporations are evil and you absolutely should not trust them to hold your best interests at heart. You would think that a company that literally only exists because of the passion of artists would have some respect said artists, but instead they are the first to throw them under the bus at the mere whiff of money.
I stopped caring about DA when the AI art boom literally jammed up my feed with AI art. I think Pixiv is almost as bad in this regard, but I can at least still find original art there more often than DA. This is just more bad business from them and I'm glad the more niche websites I post to don't allow AI art or scalp their artists for features like this.
What other sites do you post in? I only know furry website Furaffinity banned AI, along with Inkblot and Artfol but idk if there are others
Mind sharing the name of the site so other artists can leave da? Im really sich of hearing drama of da over the years (i left back when they had hot topic drama, selling designs without permission from the artists, wich i think is still going on in some form) and seeing literaly everyone talk about other sites and talk about how bad da is and how better other sites can be and then they dont even share the name of the other site.
The sites we post to are our most important tool, and we really should be recognizing it as such, more now than ever as more and more of this exploitation of art is happening.
@@hrpdrp97 Since I'm a furry artist there's Furaffinity, Inkbunny, Weasly, Sofurry, Furry Network, and probably a couple other ones I don't know about yet. Heck posting to e621 is better than DA because they actually do crack down on AI art, though a lot of people are dicks on that site. I'm sure there are many other sites for other artist's niches and I'm sure there will be more that pop up after DA and other sites lose there relevancy.
There is also Twitter and Pixiv which allow AI art, but my feed isn't completely full of it, and I can more easily ignore accounts that post AI art. With DA the main page when entering the site is almost always 90% AI art for me. I'm lucky to actually see art from people I follow on the front page these days.
I already had issues with their site redesign a couple years back making it harder to find art from people I follow, and the AI art boom just made things worse.
If anything I'd just tell any artist to post to as many sites as they can, even DA, because you never know where you might find your fanbase and the more you expose you art the better off you'll be as an artist.
Please share site name but don’t leave links because TH-cam deletes it sometimes.
@@Pulapaws Mentioned in my other reply, though it's mostly for furry work. I don't know of any sites for other niches.
i feel like this feature would have been decent if it wasn't core only and da didn't take funds off of it
i like the idea of having an easier way to get adopts BUUTT ofc. they had to mess it up somehow
I left DeviantArt for good at least 2 years ago. The more I hear what happened since I left, the more I'm glad I did. I think I'm gonna post my art on Newgrounds instead if I get around to sharing my work with the world again.
I think it's important to note that the "NFT protect" feature also has the ability to connect an NFT to the image on DA, meaning they are playing both sides.
I think it's less in place to protect artists from NFT's and more there to make it so artists can connect their art to an NFT to show it's validity as an NFT.
Though I know no artists that actually support NFT's...
They follow every trend, try to put a paywall on everything and pretend it's great for the community etc and I am glad people are calling it out.
Hope more people help Inkblot out, so it can become the new, proper art website and that many abandon DA.
Im getting really anxious about what's happening with deviantart. Most people think its a trashfire and yes I see that but its the only place where I earn income. I've graduated college because of selling adoptables there but now I'm not really sure about my future in that site anymore. Im really worried that I wont be able to put food on the table, pay bills and buy dog food. I'm scared. I might just try to find 9-5 jobs I guess. I'm really sad that I might not be doing art in the future because of ai art and other circumstances. This world really isnt build for artists 😢
Hey! This may not be a magical solution, but consider making a newgrounds account while still having your DA account!! It's not as popular as other platforms but you don't have to worry about NFT/AI stuff and you'll be able to get your stuff out there!
Also toyhouse! :D
Izzzyzzz just uploaded a video about a day ago called "The Rise and Fall of DeviantArt", but it seems now that video is already falling behind! :D
I'll say the same thing I said under that one.. DA has 3 issues:
- Corporation exploiting users for profit.
- Corporation exploiting users for profit.
- Corporation exploiting users for profit.
Deviantart was part of my childhood.
Long life deviantart😢
I still remember the dress up games trend in internet, so many talented artist and programmers that came from DA. Just like Newgrounds.
It looks to me, like they are trying to rake as mich money as they can while the platform's sinking. Short sighted gains instead of growing community trust.
What gets me is the fact that changing your username is also a core locked feature. Why? Literally every other media lets you change it at least once for free? What can you use deviant art for without core? Is it worth using?
I am just as shocked as you are. And I do want to make adoptables too. But I am pretty sure the DA adoptables feature are eventually gonna be used for NFTs on DeviantArt. DA really needs to go back to being independent.
The DA adoptables feature is only available for those with Core membership. And it's already overrun by AI shit.
@@ReesesBees I know. Which is really sad.
Admittedly, I was kinda excited when I saw the Adoptables thing. Then I found out you have to have a CORE memebership in order to use the function.
I've never really used Deviant Art but this sucks.
It used to be decent but the buyout changed that.
It used to be great years ago, but then Wix bought the site and it's become absolutely shit.
I think it is decent... When you have core !! And that is a big problem !! If you need to pay to have a decent service on a free website that means the management is badly done
I'm waiting for the day DA decides "hey, you know what? If y'all want custom profile pics, that'll $5 a month."
Stop giving them ideas.
Still waiting for a proper, fair and chill new website to replace DA that's not another social media like Instagram or Twitter where you have to fight the algorithm day and night... until then slowly moving to Toyhouse from DA
Artfol is a good website. It's made by and for artists. They banned AI and have features that makes it easier to sell art but right now it's still very small. Cara seems to be good too, is also anti-AI but also very small
How does selling AI generate characters work? Does anybody know? I know that AI generated images can't be copyrighted, but what about the characters? Are they really fit for a market? Also it's really incredible that a platform filled with artists ignores the artists' needs and preferences so blatantly. And it's "funny" how the adoptables market overflowed with AI is the perfect representation of what can happen and is happening for many art jobs and activities, and yet some people say that artists should not worry about AI.
(The previous text was a general comment, but also I wanted to add, thanks Ceelstia for this informative video, it is not only an update but also makes people aware of how things are going and maybe it can help a bit improving the situation, I hope)
From someone who has accidentally bought an AI adopt I might be able to answer some of those, it seems like to some extent, if you pay some AI companies enough through like a subscription, you can "copyright" images and they cannot be duplicated and are forever unique, but I'm unsure how much of that is true, how much is allowed to be exclusive to a single piece, and what "AI Artists" aka Quick Money Grabbers want the person using their program to think. So, many AI 'artists' are probably not even educated enough to understand how scummy the entire thing is.
(To put it simply, I was not aware what an AI adopt was until they told me after buying to credit the ToyHouse account to MidJourney and then I saw all the small details that just weren't... right. So then did some research to learn about WTF AI adoptables even are because I thought MidJourney was just some whatever new art program before buying. Im totally out of the DA / Art loop.)
It would certainly be questionable at best though, because seeing so many of them posting identical prompts and selling almost the same things, it makes me wonder about their fit in any market as well.
In my opinion after living and learning and most importantly researching, you CAN own the characters, because they themselves are unique and are bits and pieces and code made into a visual photo that hasn't been made before, less or more depending on the AI program you use, but you indeed cannot claim that initial 'art piece' as your own by any means. And because of that.. well, what's the point?
I would say less to the people who knowingly buy it, "can you?'' and more "why would you?"
@@GhostKibble As far as copyright law is concerned, the image is not protected and anyone can take a copy of it if they have access to it to use for whatever purpose they please. However, as for the AI side of ensuring it stays 'unique' they can only really garuntee that in terms of the AI not generating a perfect match to it. A precedent for this has already been set in many countries around the world.
When it applies to characters, its a little more of a grey area. You own all copyright to the images you make, but to my knowledge unless you make a substantial edit to the character as an actual person, the character itself has no protection. This is because in order for something to be copyrightable, there needs to be substantial human input (prompts don't count!) in the process. A rough concept generated by an AI and then iterated upon a few times before being finalised would be copyrightable, a full character design straight out of the machine would not.
Regardless of where you stand on the morality of AI generated images, I need to make one thing clear. What happened to you is against the ToS of EVERY Ai image generator out there. As per the ToS, every repost of AI generated images is required to include a statement that the image was generated using AI. Because of this, if you do upload the character to Toyhouse, you will have to credit MidJourney for the image, however to my knowledge if you were to redraw the character manually and upload it this requirement does not apply.
@@iamaylacat3935 So many people gloss over the "accreditation" aspect in the TOS of those AI software. At the same time they took our accreditation away so personally, it feels good to see them get screwed over by their users like that.
@@JMulvy Yeah, the biggest issue by far with AI image generators is the amount of work that they have that has a special license on it that dictates that credit is required in any and all usage of the work, and yet they don't give credit for it in their systems. Does make it funny when people don't credit the AI images. Still think it should be enforced though, at least in regards to the copyright rulings regarding AI art and selling/buying images/characters.
They create ton of AI adopt and selling them 1-5$ 😂 anyone who accidently bought it can't even show they art cuz when they show they adopt anyone can download and use it as their own. AI art are not copyright so anyone can use it for free, No value at all
Reminds me of how two days ago I was trying to find some DTA adoptables and kept finding some A.I. ones instead.
It's funny see this video and reading the comments.
I used to give away adoptables and had my own group to do it in. They (much to my surprise) became popular. DeviantArt is starting to piss me off as they have continuously trampled over their artists by selling their art, a trash help desk, A.I. bs, and now this. I probably missed a few but I wish there was a better website to use and a more popular one. One that actually respects the artists that join.
I keep going back and forth on leaving DeviantArt. The main reason why I stay is because of a group called OC-Training. It's the only place I know they operate, and their community is a wonderful place to be.
you can always trust in Celestia for getting in touch with this events.. things are getting more and more concerning. thank you for talking about this
I'm not gonna act like any website would see they have a gold mine and would just help automate it without asking for a single cent. We know this was to tap into a market they left alone until this point. Problem is, they got greedy with how much money they want. If this feature was open to everyone and it was only a small fee like 3-5%, not many would have a problem with it. Besides the fact it's deviantart of course and they've done too much damage for a lot of adopt sellers to come back.
I'm a hairs breadth away from nuking my account altogether. I stopped posting already after the last AI stuff but at this point I really don't even know why I even keep my account...
And that after I only just created a new one in 2021 to give the platform another shot, only for it to then jump headfirst into a big steaming pile of shite.
I grew up using DA, but now, I just want to take all my stuff of find another site. I'm so tired of AI ruining the experience of creating for me
Im impressed they keep finding new ways to mess up. thanks for the amazing videao-
Ai is taking over almost everything and it's scaring me imo.
Especially since its unregulated
AI art can suck it. Those robots are replacing human artists and people are losing jobs because of those bots.
It’s terrifying.
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!?”
I have considered getting into webcomics and hosting it on DA... But the deal just keep getting worse 😅
Not me making adoptables while watching this-
Same. This really sucks
Sounds like the fate of most things online...
It all boils down to money.
Dang, just a few days ago I was gonna start to post my art there again ._.
DA is very dead for me, and I deleted my account. I can't stand that features are behind a pay wall. Social media is now being ruined with subscriptions fees.
Me just chilling and relaxing creating adoptables and looking into running a DeviantArt litter shop (creating litters of young; for me Foxes, Wolves, Cats, and Lions only)
They bring back Ads. Consider the lawsuit on DreamUp. And the Adoptable news doesn't help the case.
8:32 Love your avatar portrait here.
I doubt the huge amount of Ai art in Adoptable will shut down the idea but as DA is a firm supporter of it.
Adoptables can survive without this Eclipse feature.
As somebody who participates in the adoptable community on DA myself, it's honestly utterly disgusting
I wouldn't even use the base feature if it was free and didn't take any of the profit, my favorite part is interacting with buyers and making friendships through that. I love seeing the stories people make with my silly little designs, I don't even know if I'd know who bought the design in the first place.
Outside of a reference grab or two, I don't think I've been on DA since the whole AI debacle started. Corporate executives ruin everything.
I'm debating leaving DeviantArt all together. It was so much better when I first discovered it back in 2013, but I feel like it's lost all the heart it had. Wix has completely destroyed what it once was and made it a place that fosters more negativity, AI, NFTs, and art theft. I miss the love that was put into the original website.
I dropped out right when eclipse came in. People seemed pretty split on it back then but I think now we can all see it was the beginning of their shit slide into hell
There are benefits to the feature-yes, the price is CRAZY, so I personally won’t be using it-but the protection it gives legit sellers in terms of chargebacks & scammers is very helpful. I just hope things can be improved in terms of the unmoderated market & cost
I'm expecting Wix itself to start getting heat, soon. At the least for taking all the personality out of iconic websites and making them all the same, generic, disappointments, if not for their shady business practices.
DA Prime was iconic. Now it's a glossy, soulless mess and the same thing happened to IMDB. Wix may pretend they're a friend to the small business but I'm not so sure about that.
I've painted this exact reference like 2 years ago 😮😮😮😮
commenting to support celestia in the algorithm ✨
Love that
As a core member, I can confirm Devianart is super bullshit when it comes to perks and they're not that great in some areas, I don't have the highest tear but I did noticed that my art does get recommended to other people more often than when I didn't have this.
OH let's also bring how they nuked the "recently posted art" tab I even forgot the actual name of it, You know how many artists old and new and underapreciated you could find. That one infuriate me the most, even more than AI art, that's just blatant murdering everyone who isn't good enough or spammy enough! I am surprised there are even people here, this is why I like newgrounds more, though they do need some modifications because they're severely lacking some features despite being so old, I rather have the rating system, although harsh I much rather having that and also having a platform that actually supports artists than not.
It is a mess too, because what I want to do isn't 'accept an offer' for my fanart adoptable I made, but get someone to deliver on showing proof of use in an actual story. (Which lies somewhere beyond picking something up and showing people how 'cool' their adoptable is without doing anything but hang it on a wall or resell it.) This 'feature' doesn't really help me at all. I don't need handholding [all the time in every way]. I kinda need people to take my two figurative cents and usually only *after* they do should they give me handholding. And they aren't. I hope DeviantART comes out of the closet and just admits that they want to be a pay-to-use service, because to be fair, it would remove a lot of headaches for me as a person who uses the platform for free.
"Eh I'll pack up shop later. DA is bearable now... I guess"
"OH FUCK THAT WE'RE GOING NOW"
Holy shit how have they done a decision THIS bad 🤦♀️
so sad to see what DA has become. RIP to one of the best art sites out there. 😢
Divanart sucks
i've noticed the influx of AI art and was aw struck they would allow this
AI art can suck it. Those robots are replacing human artists and people are losing jobs because of those bots.
not only do they allow it, the new DA administrators themselves also promote and support the AI of spammers, because they make money from them
After looking into it and seeing everything you said is true let my core membership expire today @@polinap6008
This is why I live like a goblin on Ko-fi and Instagram
I wasn't even part of DeviantArt culture and this is still depressing
hey celestia! 🙃amazing video! im hoping for more art news!
Well the USCO has news for them... officially, AI generated art can not be copy written and prompt crafting is not enough to qualify as human authorship. Which means I can right-click download any AI deviation and post it as my own, or use it in my art, then apply for a copyright on it myself and if they have a problem with it, I have legal recourse. They don't.
So... What should I use instead of DA?😅🙁
Wix still a thing???
Edit: welp nevermind.
Artstation?
How about Artfol?
@@k_okkinos Arttstation supports AI and is VERY much against people showing support towards Ukraine. I suggest NOT going to Artstation.
Inkblot's pretty good; made by artists, updated frequently, has a strict "No NFTs/AI" rule, has pretty good NSFW rules (things including minors, real or not, is forbidden thank fuck), and has pretty good customization.
There's also pillowfort, which is still being worked on but is slowly becoming a good replacement for Twitter and tumblr.
Ah yes DA screwing it more ..... as someone who's created a DA account in 2015 and been actively posting since 2018 with ALL of my current income coming from my adoptables and rare commissions I do there... this worries me...
Soon this page will surely be so screwed up and I have absolutely zero idea where to go once that happens
I have to ask this question, other then Twitter, are there any other art posting websites? Deviant art can't be the end all be all of art posting!
Tumblr a little bit 🤔
@@VirgoLeaf I have only used both superficially on and off, but Tumblr feels way more isolated than DA in a way. It's fine for me, but maybe other people would feel weird without a way of forming groups?
@@VirgoLeaf Does it have that stupid A.I. generator BS?
Can we just rewind DA back to 2008, before AI, NFTs, cryptocurrency, or even Eclipse?
DeviantArts really trying to make people upset smh 😮💨
My front page: 90% generic ai pics... 10% other stuffs
7:13 Tower of Insult to Injury
I literally just checked deviantart and it’s FULL of ai adoptables. Literally on the front page, it’s mostly ai art all over anyways but the fact that I can’t check an Art website and see real art and instead have to scroll through countless lifeless computer generated art is insane. And the fact that I as a buyer can’t shop for adopts without seeing ugly characters people made by typing into a computer is destroying the adoptable market.
We really need a new site for artist and photographers
I seriously miss the old DA so much... ;-; It feels like every day they just get scummier and scummier.
What's the link by maly malware explaing adoptables in more detail?
Honestly I'd argue that the marketplace feature isn't actually a new/helpful thing. Let us not forget- Eclipse removed categories- categories which allowed users to easily access a clear site gallery of any type of artwork based on category- and there WAS one for adoptables! Even this is a shittier version of a prior feature!
DA stop working against artists challenge (impossible)
Whenever I see your angry sprite, I think your character is wearing Harry Potter like round nerd glasses, and I do not know why
Anybody knows a page that is what DeviantArt was supposed to be?
How can you tell the difference now between AI Art and a human artist who has that similar painterly style? I can't tell the difference between the two. I have seen realistic painterly styles from humans get accused and bullied because they believe they are AI artists... :/
Even when adoptables aren't my thing, there's people that sells even actual trademarked characters as adoptables, this can make people that do fanarts and fanfics looks bad
Spent soo much of my teen years on DA , deleted my acc last year :/ was really tempted to start fresh this year, but I kind of doubt that now.
Anyone know of a better site ? 😅 I kind of doubt there is much out of insta and tiktok.
The adoptable feature is pretty bad, but the commission feature is the biggest godsend ever. It makes it easy for me (someone who cant have paypal until a few years) to make stuff for ACTUAL money and have somewhere to store it. I don't mind opening a point commission once a month to pay for the core, and then spend the rest of the month on gaining actual cash. Yeah maybe old devianart was better but I've found a good flow for current DeviantArt aswell
.. is it weird my only thought is that the eyes look odd when rendered? it's probably just me. like only after they were rendered. not drawn or colored.. rendered
So glad i left when i did back when they were showing off eclipse and what it would eventually become. Deviantart is no longer about the artists and the passionate communities. Its all greed now.
Damn this could have been so great. Too bad they fucked it up.
It's a good thing ai art isn't protected by copyright law. If you like an air artwork someone posted you can just take it.
After getting strike for no reason and out of the blue, I stopped using the site in 2016 or 17.
Seriously this video
Every time I'm thinking "Omg WHAT WERE THEY THINKING" you follow up with a "BUT THAT'S NOT ALL"
If any part of me considered returning to deviantart, it's been slashed totally. I really mourn for what was once a nice site to grow
This is why I took my artwork off DA. and cancel my account.
Hopefully a place like Artgram will take the lead
7:15 but isn't the mindset itself kinda of... weird, that something "should be free" ?
or like the mindset "im using other ppls stuff/work and expect to make 100% profit, not wanna give any cut" thingy like that. When did this kind of mindset become common?
It should be free to sell things on DA. You arent being given anything and arent using others work.
@@lonely_saturn Oh you aren't using others work? What about the coding? the servers? the designers? ur not using anything at all someone else made, maintained etc? rly?
DA having some egregious fee for selling through (rather than simply on) their platform isn't anything new, so that it would extend to something like this isn't surprising. They had a similar fee for selling commissions through their commission userpage widget way back despite them providing literally nothing other than a button to say "I want this one".
I deleted my dA months ago cuz I was sick of the front page being filled with AI trash and people were selling them as adoptables.
it was scummy and I had to leave finally.
i wilk just post my art on reddit, glad i never had a deviantart
I just steal the characters because legally, the sellers don’t own the image
Honestly, I'm not even a fan of the idea of removing the seller customer communication aspect from adoptables. Unless someone is being slow to pay, it really only takes a few minutes, it's not hard. I used to sell adopts a lot and I'd get a lot of excited and sweet messages from people who bought my designs and it really lifted me up and improved my mood. If it's automated that is lost, and it just feels like an overall negative to me.
DA died along time ago, its just hasnt realised yet