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Ja ne, ne ja, is ja klar, oder? Typische Deutsche Ordnung, so wie sich das gehört. :) I use standardized Hierarchical Index structures tailored to given applications. Typically, six levels deep per each type / flavor (Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music...). My Engineerinng Projects, follow a standardized Indexed Directory Structure which flows with execution phasing from design development phasing SD, DD, CD, PC, JOB BID to execution, commissioning, acceptance, turn over, record docs or RD, and Closeout. Takes me no more than 5, typically 2 minutes to produce any given project reference data. Always N plus 2 backups in real time. And I'm only half German... 😂 😂
Another pro tip - Create a template folder with the tree structure under it. When you create a new project, just duplicate the project template folder and you don't have to go and set up the structure every time. Saves time and means that your folders are consistent.
I became an office manager and personal assistant out of the blue with little admin skills from my various jobs over the years. It just fell in my lap from a referral. Now I'm scrambling to fill in the gaps in my skills to run the office on my own and I feel rather incompetent at times. I've been searching for skill-building tools, and yours has been a huge answer to my ask. Hoping I find more on your channel to support my growth with the amazing chiropractor/trainer of mastery for chiropractors across the country that I now support. Thank you so much for this wonderful training!!!
Hi Dee, first of call congrats on your new job! Glad I could support you with the information in this video and I hope you can find a lot more helpful information on my channel. I will be uploading a lot more great content soon so make sure to subscribe. Looking forward to further supporting you on your journey. All the best, Lea
Just started a university course and found this video extremely helpful. Your accent, manner and smile and professional approach is perfect a new subscriber, thanks
Nearly 70 years old and have used a similar system from about 10 years ago. I can find a file so quickly it amazes others. Still use it for any payments and invoices in my retirement days here in S Africa. I like your explanation.
I use to create an alphabetical list of main folders (AB,CD,EF...etc) where each folder has sub-folders with their labels for the main topics (personal, work, projects,personal info etc) .It may look quite simple to you, however is so practical when arrives a moment to search any file, moreover the back-up disk has the same structure, so when an updated is needed, all the repeated files are no copied (unless the "weight" is different) ....Your tutorial gives me a new perspective and fresh ideas....Thank you so much Miss David.
This is a very good simple instruction on how to organize data files in a PC. I would add one thing I have done is structure my accounting files along the lines of a balance sheet. 01 - Accounting files (then subfiles)01 Cash, 02 Accounts receivable, 03 other current assets, Property and equipment etc. In an accounting department this is a very useful way to organize files.
Use 00, 10, 20, etc as prefixes for folders as this allows you to number keys to navigate and you can add temporary/special root level folders like 11, 21, etc.
I realize this is an older video. First, excellent video. I've been in the computer industry since 1990 in roles ranging from customer support all the way up to development manager and tech project manager, with a bit of architect thrown in. I've used all three methods over the decades in my personal data that I rarely had time to worry about. Today, that has resulted in a fourth storage method. I call it the Where The Heck did I put that method. Now that I'm retired I am trying to get my own life and data back in order. I really appreciate your videos. it's great to go back and review. The hard part is now converting my WTH to the hierarchy method, which I believe is still the best method for storage.
The yyyymmdd date format is useful to keep things organized because it's sorted alphabetically. I used to do it a lot back in the day when filenames were restricted to 8.3 characters. However, I now use the yyyy-mm-dd format, because I can use also yyyy and yyyy-mm formats when something doesn't have a specific day or month. In Windows, filenames containing numbers are sorted *numerically* (which is great, because it avoids situations like 1, 10, 11, ... 2, 20, 21, ...) but places all yyyy and yyyymm before the yyyymmdd files 😕 So, adding the dashes would sort properly the "incomplete" dates: 2021-03-17 2021-05 2021-08-29 2022 2023-01-01 2023-05 2023-05-27 and so on 💁🏻♂️
It's not very practical to put so many numbers in the beginning of a file. Especially since when going through file explorer you lose the name of the file you're looking for. While a couple numbers would be effective, with the date at the end makes browsing the files a lot simpler and easier to read.
I've been using the Hierarchy Structures since the very first time I worked in an office, and I am very happy to see how my method of naming folders and files is similar to yours. While I don't use sequential numbers for the folders, I also try to apply some level of hierarchy to the files, like: Project_File Type_Date_Version I also wrote a script in VBA to mass read and rename the files, so I don't have to change one by one. Thank you for your content!
@@heathercorinne5876 Hi Heather! VBA stands for Visual Basic for Applications, and it's a programming language that allows the creation of custom functions in Office Applications. In this example I mentioned, I wrote a function that lists in the column A the files of a given folder, and rename then based on the values of the column B. There are many forums and examples on the internet, or even better, you can now ask ChatGPT to write a script for you. 😉
I use a variation of those structures depending on the requirement or situation. If I am busy working on a specific topic or folder for a few days or more, then I will put a + or - in front of the Folder name. this will then push them to the top of the folder structure and makes it much quicker and easier to find.
My active folders also start with _. That way I can also use the "name:" search parameter to search all folders starting with an underscore. And voila, that becomes kind of a to-do list.
bro, if you send me a file that starts with a minus, I will find where you live. Don't do that! It's allowed because disallowing it would make the code more complicated, but if you get into shell scripting in the future you'll have a reeeally bad time
@@theodorealenas3171 with over 30 years of coding there is no issue if you know what you're doing and besides, this is about temporary folder organisation and nothing to do with sending files. Nowhere were files mentioned, only folders.
I just started implementing this. The number prefix makes folder ordering really flexible and very easy to adjust. Thank very much for sharing this great approach.
5:43 for dates in the filename you better put in the end of the rest part of it. this will differentiate your files with dates. and the sorting algorythm will put identical files with diff dates and/or versions in one place rather than sort them by dates
Hi Roman, thanks for sharing. Indeed, if you have several different documents with similar or same dates in the same folder this approach can make sense. Best, Lea
I was here by accident and great that there is such material. I used long time a little bit chaotic directory structure but a couple months ago I saw that my colleague from work use similar hierarchical system and how efficient it is. It was one of the best idea to apply it on my computer.
Wow this video just made my pc so user friendly THANK YOU LEA ! Finding stuff was so frustrating, sitting here since waking up organising files, its so satisfying
Thanks a lot for sharing this. I've always used a hierarchy in my file system to store and find files afterwards, and I've been doing it for more 25 years now. Nonetheless, this video can still ispire me better solutions and an even 'cleaner' approach. Managing and organizing files in a very healthy way has always been a very neglected issue, leaving it all to the personal approach, which sometimes is simply not as efficient as it should be. Keep it up Lea, great work!
Thank you for watching ans sharing your experiences with the community! Very glad I could inspire you even though have been following this approach for such a long time already. All the best, Lea
Thanks for showing practical advice on this very important topics in life! I'm sure people will have to further modify to fit individual life. But, the message of "there are better ways" is critical. ******** For those who are concerning not able to find the wanted file buried inside the directory tree, Window's File Explorer has a very robust "search" function that can search entire directory tree. So, as long as you name the filename and directory name with needed keywords about files, searching is easy!
@kongr889 I find the File Explorer search function to be riddled with bugs. Sometimes I am doing a search and I DON'T want to search below the current folder level - how can I do that. I once lost important files that I deleted thinking they were from the current folder, when they were lower down in the folder structure. Often, I want to search INSIDE a file - not just the filename. Sometimes the File Contents button/icon doesn't come up. Also, I want to search inside files that have OTHER extensions besides just .txt
Hi there! Thanks and I couldn't agree more with you saying that my examples would still need to be fit to individual needs! I agree, Windows search function works quite well (in particular for basic usage if you - as you correctly said, have named your files properly -, although I must admit there are better, third party tools out there. All the best, Lea
Excellent presentation. I have been using the similar system for ages. I would add 2 things to your system. 1. If you have millions of files a program like Everything would be extremely helpful for a fast file search. 2. I use an external hard drive for all my personal files and another hard drive for a back-up I also use FreeFileSync application to keep them in sync. In case your computer goes south It would save all your files.
2:44 I try to use a hierarchy structure but it oftentimes ends up being a chaotic or mass dumping structure. Before watching the rest I think I can make a folder for mass dumping as files come in and process them to the right place when I can schedule a time to put the files where they need to be.
I agree hierarchical folder structure is a good strategy. I will add the following to the narrative. 1. My Documents is the worst place to store documents. Keep them in a separate folder which is not in Users/ path. You will have a better control over, copying data to a different machine and backup strategy. 2. There is no need to use folders for emails. Google did not have a real concept of folders in gmail for a long time. I was frustrated. But now I understand. Apply tags to your emails. That’s it. Let the computer do the work. Teach yourself how to search effectively more than organizing.
Hi, thanks for adding your points. Fully agree, being able to use search in a proper way is one of the most powerful ways of "organizing", although that's not always possible... Best, Lea
Lea - Good video. Comprehensive. Good tips. Here are 5 ideas for consideration. 1 - MECE - Every hierarchical system should attempt to conform to the MECE principle. It is a method of grouping information (like into folders), so that the groups (folders) are mutually exclusive (ME) and collectively exhaustive (CE). In other words, the content of the groups (folders) do not overlap and nothing falls through the cracks. - - - The MECE methodology is commonly used by consulting firms. When most people (including me) start out developing groups (folders) in a hierarchical system, they aren’t likely going to conform to the MECE method. As weeks and months roll by, a person typically will add more groups (folders). At some point in time, the person has so many groups (folders and subfolders), it becomes more and more of a challenge for a person to remember the structure of his/her groups (folders) and to find the group (folder) where he/she previously put a specific item (file, in this case). Also, it is common when adding a new item (file) that it is realized that it could logically be added to more than one group (folder). This will make it even harder to remember in the future which group (folder) it was it put in. - - - The MECE method helps to minimize, if not completely eliminate, those problems. 2 - Tags - In some examples in the video, information was added to a file’s label/title that I call “metadata”. That is, it is information “about’ the file, not information “in” the file. “Status” (like notstarted, in process, completed) is an example. “Metadata” is more effectively implemented in a file’s “Tags”. Up until 3 years ago, I used Windows computers. Using tags was very cumbersome. It is very easy with Apple devices (Macs, iPhone, iPads). 3 - Modifying the Hierarchy - I’ve been working with hierarchical filing systems for over 15 years. In that time, there were probably 4 different times that I made a major restructuring of my hierarchy. At the beginning, I didn’t have the insight to anticipate what I would need 2-4 years down the road. I suspect most people are the same. So, it must be relatively simple to move folders, sub-folders, and files into a new structure. Incorporating a hierarchy’s structure (like L1, L2, L3) into the labels/title makes restructuring at a later time very time-consuming. 4 - Numbers (like L1, L2, L3) in Labels/Titles - The file management system of Windows (File Explorer) and Macs (Finder) are now very advanced. The list of folders and subfolders can be presented graphically and it is easy to expand and collapse the list to portray the hierarchical structure. This makes putting numbers in folder labels/titles redundant. - - - In addition, there are a couple problems if you put numbers in a folder’s label/title. First, the folders can’t be sorted by topic. So, with lots of folders/subfolders, a user may have to scan lists to find the desired one. Second, numbers, like L1, L2, L3, are abstractions, with meanings that are eventually forgotten over time, whereas “topics” live out in the world. If a person places a file into folder “L3-XXXXXXX”, 6 months down the road, they may not remember where they put it. 5 - Dates in Labels/Titles - Again, the Windows and Mac file management systems do an excellent job managing file creation and file update dates. - - - Granted, if a file contains information that was created in an event before the file was created, then putting that date in the file’s label/title can be helpful.
Hi Jim, appreciate your feedback! A few words to your points: 1. I know the MECE principle but believe that when using a hierarchical structure, it's not always possible to stay 100% MECE except you are very disciplined. Regardless, I believe with cross-links that's still manageable. 2. I know that some OS allow better use of tags (such as iOS) than others (windows). So here I believe it goes down to which OS you are using and how easy it is using tags. 3. Fully agree. 4. I believe there are pros and cons to using numbers or letters in folder names, for example. I think it eventually goes down to your purpose and way of working, i.e. which structure or labelling strategy you use (by projects, in alphabetical order or by topics etc.). Also, I would never recommend putting a "Lx" in front of a foler but rather just numbres or letters. 5. Dates in file names can be helpful if you want to indicate the date the file is being used (e.g. for a speech or presentation on that day), which might be different to the date created or last modified. All the best, Lea
Good advice. I’ve been using a hierarchy for tasks and for filing : 1) Area of life (personal, home/family/friends, work, community) 2) Role (eg father, husband, engineer, line manager, functional safety specialist) 3) Client (for work-related stuff), person, organisation or group 4) Project My projects are sorted into: 0-actions and minutes 0-management (separate subfolders as needed for budget, resources, programme, safety, ) 1-inputs (site info, requirements, guidance, usually then in subfolders by yy-mm-dd date received) 2-WIP (work in progress) 3-issued outputs I have a separate set of folders for reference materials, sub-divided into topics (David Allen’s GTD methodology suggests keeping the reference library separate from project files). There is a fourth file organisation method you’ve missed, which is used by MS Sharepoint and other document management software: using metadata instead of a rigid folder structure. With a few metadata fields to cover the questions who, what, where and when, you can then organise your files in multiple filtered and sorted views, making it much easier to find documents by whatever criteria are important to you.
@@ss4717 area of life is broader than role. The four areas of my life that I break my information down into are the ones I’ve written in brackets: 1) My personal information - things like health records, money matters (income, bank accounts, tax), hobbies and interests. 2) Family and friends - anything which I do jointly with my spouse, house, car, children’s information and files, etc. 3) Work - all my work project files and my library reference information and notes. Obviously, this information sits on work computers and servers, so I’m not saying that everything to do with all four areas of my life are in different folders in the same place. 4) Community - any information to do with volunteering, charity or anything else I get involved in with the communities I live in or am involved with. (I like to think of the above as quarters, but sadly work takes over more than a quarter of my life and community stuff tends to be a lot less than a quarter). “Roles” are my roles within an area of life. For example, my distinct work roles include electrical engineer, functional safety engineer, HazOp facilitator and line manager. My home roles include husband, father, house maintenance, car owner and maintainer, etc. As far as actions and minutes are concerned, In my work project folders I start with a folder for all the meeting minutes and the actions arising from them. All the meeting notes/minutes are stored in files or folders with the date at the start of the name (in yyyy-mm-dd format, so that they are kept in chronological order). I actually use OneNote to write my meeting notes and the sections in my OneNote notebooks are organised in the same way as my folders, so each project notebook has a section for all my meeting notes, in chronological order. I hope some of that sparks useful ideas for your own system of organisation, along with this very helpful video.
@@stephaneenglish4661 thx for sharing... couple of points... date syntax as YYMMDD can save characters and I am wondering about tagging convention and management to make things more relational, say when you have multiple projects for the same client... searching for the right solution 🙂
I 've never seen any of your videos and don't know how credible you are, but your accent is German so I will trust whatever you say about organization! :D
I am trying to organise my life , decluttered and deep cleaned my flat, now going through all paperwork and digital organisation is my next goal - this video just randomly popped up - serendipity :) Great video.
Pro-tip: it doesn't matter which one you use as long as it is quickly searchable. This is why "mass-dumping" is preferred by some companies/individuals. You spend less time trying to figure out where to put it, and it doesn't tempt people to look for it manually (as much).
Over time using a hierarchical system in browser shortcuts becomes impractical. These days it's better to use the bookmarks search. Depending on the browser it may have a "tags" field for the purpose I'm about to suggest. In the bookmark name or tag field throw in a few arbitrary related words. Like this page could have "tip method filesystem optimize" and when you search for the bookmark it's easier to get lucky since they're your notions.
Fully agree. It really depends on so many different factors (personal/professional use, operating system, way of working/use cases, personal preferences etc.) what's the best approach. But with all, the ultimate goal should be to get what you want in the least amount of time :)
Great video. I think it’s important for people to set a reminder to just take like 15 minutes every month to clean up their files and keep it nice and tidy. Usually all my mess comes from just dumping everything in a folder chaotically like you mentioned, and then I have to clean up so much later. Doing it on a more consistent basis prevents more headaches down the road.
Ha. I do the same thing with browser tabs when I need to restart the browser. Bookmark all tabs. Folder name is the date. Master folder name “bookmarks to sort.”
Someone once talked about a perfect language. They concluded that it would require prefect knowledge from the beginning. The hierarchy system reminds me of that. Finding any file based on content and avoiding duplicates are important. And don't rely on storing something in the cloud, it is nothing but a disk owned by someone else.
It's also worth noting that there are options for searching through files these days. It's most useful for text documents, so other types of files do need to be organized more specifically, but for text documents, you can mostly get away with organizing them based on retention policy or source.
Thank you for reminding everyone about avoiding duplicates and making sure your data is always backed up (in whatever form or shape) properly. Best, Lea
You’re describing exactly what I came up with a long, long long time ago, but because of mental illness and other problems all of my hundreds of thousands of files and pictures of gotten lost and scattered and just like my physical life, I’m also putting together my digital life and it’s a long long process, but maybe I’ll subscribe to you and get inspired by you. Maybe that will help, I do like your accent❤
Nice summary, but my main and really only problem is where to put files that cross multiple topics/projects/issues. I label them fine but months later are the database files, meeting, personal, etc. What happens when I want, for example, to see all my database files. But that means I need to put all my personal, professional, etc, in one place. So now I have work and personal stuff in the same place. If I separate them out, then I have to "hunt" for all the files across my computer. Sometimes I never find them again. Lastly, the most incredibly annoying thing is Window's using the same name but not the same location for folders. I put something (during a 'save as' operation) in the "my documents" folder. Later when I want to look at it, it's not there, nor on the desktop version or cloud, etc.. It's usually buried somewhere else. It's frustrating. I wish MS would stop trying to help me and I could just do everything manually so I know where I put the files and then where to find them.
I re-map out the Windows default folders to a common location on family computers so the stuff doesn't end up in multiple personal directories and is on a separate drive from the OS. I still use sub folders for pictures, videos, music, documents, downloads, and other categories. They're also located in a main folder at the root of a common drive. Makes it easier to back up that data also. Some software allows you to set the default save directory in the preferences menu... not all software, but most do. That way you don't have to remember to always do a 'save as' and click through the directory structure to where you want it since you'd have already set it up to do that automatically.
Thanks for your feedback and sharing your challenge. I agree, using a hierarchical system filing documents, which might be relevant for several folders, is a challenge. Either work with crosslinks/shortcuts to have them in several folders or label them properly to use the search functionality more often. Also, you could create a completely separate folder for all of your databases and store them there. Hope you could get inspired a bit and you find a solution. Best, Lea
In the 70’s, one of my first jobs was working with filing systems for different companies. The lessons I learned stay with me today when organizing my computer files. It’s close to your hierarchy system but labeling is based on time or place or client name or project name. I am a Realtor now so beyond client files, there are rule or legal changes, advertising or graphics. It’s a lot to track.
I really liked this post. I use the hierarchical method with the same numbering system: 00, 01, 02, etc. I personally find it best not to go beyond three deep. You have a delightful and clear presentation!
I would consider at L0 or L1 a "year" folder. And I never change files of completed years. Instead I copy (not move) 'running' documents into the actual year. This is making backups easy and saves the status of completed years. In the end there are multiple copies of some files. But this redundancy is useful.
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Suggestion, use mass dump system for all files. Then use hierarchy system for shortcuts. I've had many files that could be stored in multiple folders. You can also use properties to name files in your mass dump location .
Are you suggesting to have one directory for a chaotic mass dump and then link to these files from within the organized directory (folder) hierarchy she recommends? Do you have an idea for a naming scheme within the mass dump?
@@uminchu59 I'm not an expert and I haven't been using for awhile but I found that using the windows properties already did a great job of naming the file properties. Try to keep it as simple as possible. Pictures of you dogs might say our dogs oatmeal and Coco. It should be the years taken and alot of other info. Google pictures keeps track of when and where you took the pictures and recognize faces and I'm sure other things. Another common thing would be document for taxes 2022 John Doe. I hope this helps.
You run into serious problems doing that when it comes to individual OS file systems. 10,000 files in a windows directory really drags performance straight to hell, much less 20-30 million. You could use a huffman tree type architecture (26 directories for files starting with each letter, then go down from there) to keep things discrete. But that gets a different kind of messy.
That's what happens to me all the time... to many sub folders and file name = more then 255 very frustrating. You are the first to mention this important fact. Thanks for sharing.
Good one! I've long used hierarchical, frequently using 3-digit numerical prefix (e.g. Book Writing projects. Having written over a hundred books, 3 digits required). Also, love the suggestion of yearMonthDay sequence. Helps to keep things properly organized by date, where optimum. And good advice on file path limitations. If folder identity becomes too cryptic, I will add a 0_filename.txt file which sorts to the top with further description of contents. Sometimes this can be in the filename itself, and other times I will add a longer description in the file contents, e.g. 0_Contents.txt -- "Research on local dinosaur species for Pangaea Sister Sites."
Hi Rod, thanks for your feedback and for sharing your view. Fully agree that adding a txt file helps to provide additional information if you encounter space limitations. I also store passwords for any locked documents in a txt file so you always have them at hand in case you want to open the document. All the best, Lea
@P. Wingert Looks like a good idea until the spreadsheet goes bad. Happened to me once. Yes, it was on OneDrive. The restore option did not work for me. I prefer a simple text file with meta information. That file should be stored together with the content it applies to.
@@LeaDavid from security point of view, you should never store passwords in a txt file, and instead use password management tools such as LastPass, 1Password or better open source ones such as Bitwarden
@@LeaDavid from security point of view, you should never store passwords in a txt file, and instead use password management tools such as LastPass, 1Password or better open source ones such as Bitwarden
@@PWingert1966 By concentrating that much critical information in one single spreadsheet (and now telling us that you do) you have also given bad actors the greatest hacking prize to search for in your file system server or online storage. I hope to heaven that you protect that Alpha Document since the most valuable component (passwords) in your digital life are now stored there.
Using current file names as a template for subsequent file names is handy. Parts of the name may be shared by several files with unique parts like date or version. I use my keyboard most of the time and moving through the name with ctrl+arrow keys can get tedious. In those cases use the underscore "_" instead of spaces in the repetitious part. Linking multiple words with underscores will cause them to become a single block of letters without spaces. Try this - Move your cursor to the next lines and use ctrl+arrow keys to jump right and left: 20230504 client demands and specifications r1 20230504 client_demands_and_specifications r1
That's a so damn bad practice. You lose more time by pressing arrow keys to the part you want to change instead of jumping large sections of the file name.
@@smashICE1 I'll try again: An underscore instead of a space between words. A file name of a_b_c-d_e_f_g_z in Windows file explorer will behave like it's 2 lumps of characters with a space between the c and the hyphen. It's faster than using a mouse or touchpad.
@@cowboybob7093 I'll try again: Underscores are stupid and make filename part jumping useless so you have to use many arrow key presses or pointing of the cursor with the mouse necessary.
@@cowboybob7093 No. Just from morons who have no clue about stuff and think they found some ridiculous holy grail. Have fun with your ancient underscore bs. Windows users are always so funny (stupid).
Great presentation for simple computer file organizing. Can see there is going to be an abundance of screen time organizing my where-ever file system from past years. Thanks for guidance to put some semblance of order to my files or at least those going forward file.
That's a good description of these 3 storage styles. Thank you for including the info that long folder names will cause you problems in time. If you include those long folder names, and the long root folder that Teams and Google Drive adds, you will quickly find that you can't save files because of very unhelpful error messages from Windows. Keep the folder names SHORT! Have MORE L0 folders, and keep the sub-folders. In the case of Google Drive (and other object storage systems) performance begins to degrade with more files. So a best practice for Google Shared Drives is to have MORE L0 drives and not nest them so much.
Thank you so very much for your video on file organization. I have struggled with this for a very long time. I am sure your video would put me on the right path :) A quick question: What is the function and need of Adim folder? Thanks in advance.
Hi there, this was just one example (of many) I gave in the video. But you might want to store budgets, business plans, any contractual documents, etc. in an overarching admin folder. If you don't have anything like that, you don't need such a folder.
A good data strategy should include purge and archive as well as the use of meta data. Meta tags are powerful way to add info but you must have the discipline to use it or use customizations to prompt for populating them during a save. A pro tip is not to use cloud or O365 rental software.
The Freedom Filer paper system has concepts applicable to a digital system. They have categories for action, supplies, permanent, remove/replace updating items like Insurance policies, leases, contact lists, for example. They have financial, tax related financial, special interest information, archive. It makes it a lot faster to purge things when they can be grouped or found like that. A designator can be used to mark files that belong in one category for a period of time, but you want to know where it goes next (archive, permanent etc.). And obviously, it works great for papers.
@@AVAM.. I searched but not found one solution. I developing application for my file problems. If can stably run app i publish. But not gurantied one solutions because some files manage other application or operation systems. For example nuget packages stored many each project.
Hi Robert! Indeed, using metadata and tags is super powerful as long as it's done across all files and folders (and across a team or organization) and as long as the OS supports this and a good search functionality :) Best, Lea
This was excellent. I tried to use Tiago Forte's PARA system and I just couldn't deal with mixing all of my personal and work life in just 4 folders. This makes so much more sense to me. I can still use elements of PARA in the Work area, but it frees me from having to use it in my Personal and Education areas. Not surprising that it took a German to organise Tiago's organisation system properly 🙂
Thank you so much for such a huge compliment - your feedback also made me laugh quite a bit :) But I very much like your approach as well, just to combine different ideas and practices to find your own personal best. Since everyone has different requirements and preferences, I am glad that I could add something to your way of working. All the best, Lea
Thanks. I would use hyphen (-) instead of underscore (_) in the naming so that that the file path can be read properly when they are converted to hyperlink as you would most likely be using cloud storage
Yes, you might want to use a hyphen or space, also because it let's you move in between the file name a lot quicker with CTRL + ARROW LEFT / RIGHT as well.
Oh, thank goodness this works now. The search feature in Windows used to treat (-) as "minus" and would use it as a boolean operator. So searching exact names containing hyphens would result in no hits. I just tested on Windows 11 and it looks like that is no longer the case.
Personally, like a lot of people I use the Hierocracy method. Although they all start out with the common place markers used on most computer OS systems (Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Music etc). I start with folders commonly included on Linux as it's easy to create shortcuts no matter what OS you use or switch between as they're all pretty similar. The only other default folders I add is a "_Settings" folder (where I can put any type of setting, profile or configuration file relevant for programs), a "Work" folder for my work stuff (obviously) and a "Temp" (or working) folder for storing temporary stuff I can easily delete. I suppose you could split your documents folder into work & personal, but that's just another extra level to contend with. My folders are always on either a separate drive or partition, again making it easy if you change between operating systems After the work folder, I split them into financial years (i.e 2021-2022, 2022-2023 etc). I also do something similar in email. So each year has a very similar structure in terms of the types of folders (like suppliers, reports, expenses etc), but they're all grouped under a year range. It makes it easy to collapse everything to hide, archive or if you still need to search for something. The main thing is try and pick something that works for you and stick with it. Be stringent with the structure you choose and make sure you rename files to something meaningful (other than the default your phone may use such as photo_1234567_89.ext). Use something like date_location_desc.ext.
I like your system a lot, and I tried the same thing for my office. I kept all my documents according to my client’s name, [last name,_first name]_[appeal level code]_date [year month day]_[document code, i.e., “P” = court filing]_[general description]. The system kept all the documents of the same type in the same place and sorted by appellate level, which can be helpful when you need it. The problem I had at times was the clerical staff, who insisted on typing everything instead of using the macro I wrote, which would automatically name the files using the correct file naming convention. All it took was an added or missing space or a different spelling, and I was so screwed. The last few years have seen far more sophisticated processes for these mundane tasks, but they are beyond me; my files are stable and searchable back to 1988, and I don't have to know what "SQL" means. So there.
You could have saved yourself hours of mundane correcting if you hired a programmer to write a batch script that would generate the proper names on save or if you moved a file to a different folder, it would auto rename the file. Basically a search and replace. FYI (hope you know what that means.)
Thank you very much! Indeed, changing a naming convention or way of working takes time and needs full buy-in from the entire team. I agree, though, with that there are also other third-party tools that can take away a lot of effort in renaming or managing files. However, appreciate your effort and the approach you have taken (which sounds completely sensible to me). Best, lea
I find Leading zeroes on a folder name to be an issue. I would tend to start at 10 or 11 rather than 01, so either 10 then 20 then 30 0r 11 then 12 then 13. If you hold 01 in a database or some other software it may strip the leading zero. I would also tend to use the number from the previous level to start the number at the next.
I think prefix digits are a bad practice without a very specific association. If merely using as alternative ordering filter, it removes the ease of jumping to the starting letter with the keyboard, unless you have memorized the numbering. However, if someone else has to look for something, that possibly become tedious if the folder count is large.
Hi Stephen. Indeed, your concerns might be relevant if you are dealing with specific software as well as you might have more flexibility labeling folders. All the best, Lea
I have been doing this since 8th grade. It is usually very good to organize the data. I suggest to also include a master file for the different version you create for each project and also similarly you can do for the backup you make for each of your file. Otherwise you will mess up and wouldn't know about the backups and even how to navigate since data will be huge amount. I hope there are apps that can help us manage our data at work, home etc. The cloud solution sucks, not a reliable one. Sky drive (now One Drive), yahoo, hotmail deleted all of my files and there is no update on them yet.
I started watching your videos a couple of days ago. I cant stop , your teaching methodology is excellent, very practical . Thanks, I need A LOT of organization skills , my mind goes to fast that I'm missing organization.
Thanks for video since it is an important topic ! I use hierarchy system. However, I constantly update the structure to minimize the average search time (i.e. minimize overall time spent on searching). Vision is to have 5-10 folders in each folder and name and arrange the files so that each folder is roughly used similar in amount. I do not use numbering since I think it is easier to remember and faster to access by pressing first letter on keyboard. However, somethimes, I rename the start of folders and files to todays date to make them sort (I use autohotkey=windows or autokey=ubuntu for this). For temporary increased work on a particular sub folder, I use links on the top-level to jump directly there. Good luck! ❤👍📂💻
I LOVE IT! I try to avoid folders as it makes file metadata more linear and doesn't levarage sorting/the search engine or allow a document to exist in to locations. I incorporate folders structure into my file name with a period as the delimiter. It flattens the structure.and leverages some of the MS365 and One Drive features. :)
Yes Nesting it in the name with some form delimiters works best for me. Document your standards, naming convention, and syntax in a readme.txt file. You are also limited to 255 characters. For example: Department > topic > company > article name or "IT.Security.Microsoft.Impeding doom of your personal Info.docx"
Boy is this ever true. Because I write software sometimes, I have found that jumping by 100 is useful to leave space between thoughts. For example, everything in the 200-299 range is related. For this reason I number my stuff with four digits like 0000, 0100, 0110, 0120, 0200, 0210. This is helpful to keep the columns lined up.
Hi Martin, agree. If you want more flexibility and are not 100% sure if you have and solid structure for a longer period of time, that's the way to go! Best, Lea
Thank You very much for the learning. This information very important for me..... Thanks alot Miss Lea David, Best Regard from me, I'm a Teacher from Indonesia
I love your enthusiasm. The key here is association, or " keys". One must associate the item or file with a key or trigger that makes sense. The method that you promote is generally effective, and is a great " worst case, fall back" way to get there. However, while being very effective, it is not the most efficient. I use a trainwreck of a hybrid, hardly a method at all. But it goes like this. My mind associates times and dates with the contents of my files, and some other contextual elements, that may or may not have anything at all to do with the actual contents of the file. So I do a chaotic, mass dump, time based hierarchy. For example all files live on the desktop, and they are all labeled prominently with the date and time, as well as with their intended use, and maybe the weather conditions or what room I was in at the time. These triggers all work for me. Crazy brain😂
I'm currently using the chaotic storage file management system because when I download something I'm not usually aware of what files I'm exactly downloading. For example: I need a VST to play drums inside a DAW. I ended up with creating an account, downloading the plugin management software, the software create files without asking, each company has its own commercial names, then downloading the installer, then the files in different formats, (VST3, ,VST2, ,dll, .AAX), then the libraries, the samples, the notes, the manual. Sometimes the installers don't ask where to storage the files. Also there are a lot of hidden files everywhere.
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Ja ne, ne ja, is ja klar, oder? Typische Deutsche Ordnung, so wie sich das gehört. :) I use standardized Hierarchical Index structures tailored to given applications. Typically, six levels deep per each type / flavor (Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music...). My Engineerinng Projects, follow a standardized Indexed Directory Structure which flows with execution phasing from design development phasing SD, DD, CD, PC, JOB BID to execution, commissioning, acceptance, turn over, record docs or RD, and Closeout. Takes me no more than 5, typically 2 minutes to produce any given project reference data. Always N plus 2 backups in real time. And I'm only half German... 😂 😂
But for how long is this payment valid, per year repeated or just a one time payment for life?
Another pro tip - Create a template folder with the tree structure under it. When you create a new project, just duplicate the project template folder and you don't have to go and set up the structure every time. Saves time and means that your folders are consistent.
Yes, can only second what you suggested! I am also doing that and especially at work, this comes in quite handy...
Yes, thats what I do for my work.
I can't believe I didn't think of this before
i work in architecture, we would be lost without a template folder structure.
Yep. Learned the need for this one the hard way.
I became an office manager and personal assistant out of the blue with little admin skills from my various jobs over the years. It just fell in my lap from a referral. Now I'm scrambling to fill in the gaps in my skills to run the office on my own and I feel rather incompetent at times. I've been searching for skill-building tools, and yours has been a huge answer to my ask. Hoping I find more on your channel to support my growth with the amazing chiropractor/trainer of mastery for chiropractors across the country that I now support. Thank you so much for this wonderful training!!!
Hi Dee, first of call congrats on your new job! Glad I could support you with the information in this video and I hope you can find a lot more helpful information on my channel. I will be uploading a lot more great content soon so make sure to subscribe. Looking forward to further supporting you on your journey. All the best, Lea
Similar situation here. I posted a long comment ❤
Just started a university course and found this video extremely helpful. Your accent, manner and smile and professional approach is perfect a new subscriber, thanks
Thank you sou much - glad it was helpful!
How do we reorganise the files ? Any short way to club all pics together and delete duplicate files ?
I’m only just finding this video as my degree is finishing and I wish I could go back to the start and be organised right from then!
Nearly 70 years old and have used a similar system from about 10 years ago. I can find a file so quickly it amazes others. Still use it for any payments and invoices in my retirement days here in S Africa. I like your explanation.
Hi Russel, that's great to hear. Thanks for sharing!
I use to create an alphabetical list of main folders (AB,CD,EF...etc) where each folder has sub-folders with their labels for the main topics (personal, work, projects,personal info etc) .It may look quite simple to you, however is so practical when arrives a moment to search any file, moreover the back-up disk has the same structure, so when an updated is needed, all the repeated files are no copied (unless the "weight" is different) ....Your tutorial gives me a new perspective and fresh ideas....Thank you so much Miss David.
You are very welcome! Also thank you so much for sharing your approach. All the best, Lea
Madam i want to organise file from Ai.
This is a very good simple instruction on how to organize data files in a PC. I would add one thing I have done is structure my accounting files along the lines of a balance sheet. 01 - Accounting files (then subfiles)01 Cash, 02 Accounts receivable, 03 other current assets, Property and equipment etc. In an accounting department this is a very useful way to organize files.
Hi Bob, that certainly makes sense for everyone that's knowledgeable about accounting. Thanks for sharing!
Agreed
Use 00, 10, 20, etc as prefixes for folders as this allows you to number keys to navigate and you can add temporary/special root level folders like 11, 21, etc.
Hi Patrick, thanks for sharing. Indeed, that's also how I did it for some time - works very well! Best, Lea
We’ve started doing this at work, let’s see how long the structure lasts.
Definitely an old BASIC programmer comment🙂 great suggestion!
@@boromaushelms281 I‘m 39… what exactly do you mean with „old“? 😂
@@PatrickAntonik ...experienced, valuable, precious, classy and so on. No hard feelings mate.
I realize this is an older video. First, excellent video. I've been in the computer industry since 1990 in roles ranging from customer support all the way up to development manager and tech project manager, with a bit of architect thrown in. I've used all three methods over the decades in my personal data that I rarely had time to worry about. Today, that has resulted in a fourth storage method. I call it the Where The Heck did I put that method. Now that I'm retired I am trying to get my own life and data back in order. I really appreciate your videos. it's great to go back and review. The hard part is now converting my WTH to the hierarchy method, which I believe is still the best method for storage.
Thank you so much! Glad you liked the video and good luck converting to hierarchy :)
The yyyymmdd date format is useful to keep things organized because it's sorted alphabetically. I used to do it a lot back in the day when filenames were restricted to 8.3 characters.
However, I now use the yyyy-mm-dd format, because I can use also yyyy and yyyy-mm formats when something doesn't have a specific day or month. In Windows, filenames containing numbers are sorted *numerically* (which is great, because it avoids situations like 1, 10, 11, ... 2, 20, 21, ...) but places all yyyy and yyyymm before the yyyymmdd files 😕
So, adding the dashes would sort properly the "incomplete" dates:
2021-03-17
2021-05
2021-08-29
2022
2023-01-01
2023-05
2023-05-27
and so on 💁🏻♂️
Hi there, thanks - like your approach and comment! Best, Lea
Not a windows user, but I like to start names with yymmdd, even the ‘dayless’. I simply give them yymm00. This way all items stay in place, always.
It's not very practical to put so many numbers in the beginning of a file. Especially since when going through file explorer you lose the name of the file you're looking for. While a couple numbers would be effective, with the date at the end makes browsing the files a lot simpler and easier to read.
Thanks!
Thank you so much, Dean!
I've been using the Hierarchy Structures since the very first time I worked in an office, and I am very happy to see how my method of naming folders and files is similar to yours. While I don't use sequential numbers for the folders, I also try to apply some level of hierarchy to the files, like:
Project_File Type_Date_Version
I also wrote a script in VBA to mass read and rename the files, so I don't have to change one by one. Thank you for your content!
Hi Douglas, glad to hear you have been very organized already! Thanks for sharing and all the best, Lea
QUESTION : Why underscore instead of a dash ???
@@alofanoGood point. Its like 20 years since that was the only option on PC.
What's a VBA? I just made a large comment. I'm dealing with tons of files. How does this work?
@@heathercorinne5876 Hi Heather! VBA stands for Visual Basic for Applications, and it's a programming language that allows the creation of custom functions in Office Applications. In this example I mentioned, I wrote a function that lists in the column A the files of a given folder, and rename then based on the values of the column B. There are many forums and examples on the internet, or even better, you can now ask ChatGPT to write a script for you. 😉
Idk who you are or what you do but you just changed my life for the better. Thank you and please keep creating productivity content.
Hi Dante, thank you so much! Glad it was helpful and I could make a positive impact on your life :)
Ditto!
I use a variation of those structures depending on the requirement or situation. If I am busy working on a specific topic or folder for a few days or more, then I will put a + or - in front of the Folder name. this will then push them to the top of the folder structure and makes it much quicker and easier to find.
Hi Neil, thanks for sharing! That's a nice hybrid way of working. All the best, Lea
My active folders also start with _. That way I can also use the "name:" search parameter to search all folders starting with an underscore. And voila, that becomes kind of a to-do list.
@@sshree This. No need to add weird symbols like + 😂
bro, if you send me a file that starts with a minus, I will find where you live. Don't do that! It's allowed because disallowing it would make the code more complicated, but if you get into shell scripting in the future you'll have a reeeally bad time
@@theodorealenas3171 with over 30 years of coding there is no issue if you know what you're doing and besides, this is about temporary folder organisation and nothing to do with sending files. Nowhere were files mentioned, only folders.
I just started implementing this. The number prefix makes folder ordering really flexible and very easy to adjust. Thank very much for sharing this great approach.
Thanks for letting me know. Glad it works so well for you :)
5:43 for dates in the filename you better put in the end of the rest part of it. this will differentiate your files with dates. and the sorting algorythm will put identical files with diff dates and/or versions in one place rather than sort them by dates
Hi Roman, thanks for sharing. Indeed, if you have several different documents with similar or same dates in the same folder this approach can make sense. Best, Lea
I was here by accident and great that there is such material. I used long time a little bit chaotic directory structure but a couple months ago I saw that my colleague from work use similar hierarchical system and how efficient it is. It was one of the best idea to apply it on my computer.
Wow, sounds amazing! Glad you could turn it around :)
Wow this video just made my pc so user friendly THANK YOU LEA ! Finding stuff was so frustrating, sitting here since waking up organising files, its so satisfying
Thanks for your feedback and my pleasure! Glad I could help you get more organized :)
the fact she says it in a german voice just adds to how good this info was. very well done it has helped alot
Haha, thanks!
Thanks a lot for sharing this. I've always used a hierarchy in my file system to store and find files afterwards, and I've been doing it for more 25 years now. Nonetheless, this video can still ispire me better solutions and an even 'cleaner' approach. Managing and organizing files in a very healthy way has always been a very neglected issue, leaving it all to the personal approach, which sometimes is simply not as efficient as it should be. Keep it up Lea, great work!
Thank you for watching ans sharing your experiences with the community! Very glad I could inspire you even though have been following this approach for such a long time already. All the best, Lea
Thanks!
Thanks so much, Richard! Glad you liked the video 😊
Thanks for showing practical advice on this very important topics in life! I'm sure people will have to further modify to fit individual life. But, the message of "there are better ways" is critical. ******** For those who are concerning not able to find the wanted file buried inside the directory tree, Window's File Explorer has a very robust "search" function that can search entire directory tree. So, as long as you name the filename and directory name with needed keywords about files, searching is easy!
@kongr889 I find the File Explorer search function to be riddled with bugs. Sometimes I am doing a search and I DON'T want to search below the current folder level - how can I do that. I once lost important files that I deleted thinking they were from the current folder, when they were lower down in the folder structure.
Often, I want to search INSIDE a file - not just the filename. Sometimes the File Contents button/icon doesn't come up. Also, I want to search inside files that have OTHER extensions besides just .txt
Hi there! Thanks and I couldn't agree more with you saying that my examples would still need to be fit to individual needs! I agree, Windows search function works quite well (in particular for basic usage if you - as you correctly said, have named your files properly -, although I must admit there are better, third party tools out there. All the best, Lea
Thanks!
Thank you so much, Ron! Glad you liked my video:)
Excellent presentation.
I have been using the similar system for ages.
I would add 2 things to your system.
1. If you have millions of files a program like Everything would be extremely helpful
for a fast file search.
2. I use an external hard drive for all my personal files and another hard drive for a back-up
I also use FreeFileSync application to keep them in sync.
In case your computer goes south It would save all your files.
Thank you so much, Boris! Really like your two additions and couldn't agree more :) Best, Lea
As a CPA this is a great video. I organize all my files according to your method. Going to forward this video to my clients. I
Thank you so much, Doug! Appreciate your feedback :)
I have two folders , downloads and documents 😂
It's better than having downloads and desktop 😂
Move them trash 😂
Your teaching style is a piece of cake.
Haha thanks so much 🍰
2:44 I try to use a hierarchy structure but it oftentimes ends up being a chaotic or mass dumping structure. Before watching the rest I think I can make a folder for mass dumping as files come in and process them to the right place when I can schedule a time to put the files where they need to be.
Hi Michael! Thanks for sharing this idea. Happy for you if you are using this system and it works for you. Best, Lea
Thanks
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it 🙂
I agree hierarchical folder structure is a good strategy. I will add the following to the narrative.
1. My Documents is the worst place to store documents. Keep them in a separate folder which is not in Users/ path. You will have a better control over, copying data to a different machine and backup strategy.
2. There is no need to use folders for emails. Google did not have a real concept of folders in gmail for a long time. I was frustrated. But now I understand. Apply tags to your emails. That’s it. Let the computer do the work. Teach yourself how to search effectively more than organizing.
Hi, thanks for adding your points. Fully agree, being able to use search in a proper way is one of the most powerful ways of "organizing", although that's not always possible... Best, Lea
Enjoyed your presentation, Lea!
Thanks :)
Lea - Good video. Comprehensive. Good tips.
Here are 5 ideas for consideration.
1 - MECE - Every hierarchical system should attempt to conform to the MECE principle. It is a method of grouping information (like into folders), so that the groups (folders) are mutually exclusive (ME) and collectively exhaustive (CE). In other words, the content of the groups (folders) do not overlap and nothing falls through the cracks. - - - The MECE methodology is commonly used by consulting firms.
When most people (including me) start out developing groups (folders) in a hierarchical system, they aren’t likely going to conform to the MECE method. As weeks and months roll by, a person typically will add more groups (folders). At some point in time, the person has so many groups (folders and subfolders), it becomes more and more of a challenge for a person to remember the structure of his/her groups (folders) and to find the group (folder) where he/she previously put a specific item (file, in this case). Also, it is common when adding a new item (file) that it is realized that it could logically be added to more than one group (folder). This will make it even harder to remember in the future which group (folder) it was it put in. - - - The MECE method helps to minimize, if not completely eliminate, those problems.
2 - Tags - In some examples in the video, information was added to a file’s label/title that I call “metadata”. That is, it is information “about’ the file, not information “in” the file. “Status” (like notstarted, in process, completed) is an example. “Metadata” is more effectively implemented in a file’s “Tags”. Up until 3 years ago, I used Windows computers. Using tags was very cumbersome. It is very easy with Apple devices (Macs, iPhone, iPads).
3 - Modifying the Hierarchy - I’ve been working with hierarchical filing systems for over 15 years. In that time, there were probably 4 different times that I made a major restructuring of my hierarchy. At the beginning, I didn’t have the insight to anticipate what I would need 2-4 years down the road. I suspect most people are the same. So, it must be relatively simple to move folders, sub-folders, and files into a new structure. Incorporating a hierarchy’s structure (like L1, L2, L3) into the labels/title makes restructuring at a later time very time-consuming.
4 - Numbers (like L1, L2, L3) in Labels/Titles - The file management system of Windows (File Explorer) and Macs (Finder) are now very advanced. The list of folders and subfolders can be presented graphically and it is easy to expand and collapse the list to portray the hierarchical structure. This makes putting numbers in folder labels/titles redundant. - - - In addition, there are a couple problems if you put numbers in a folder’s label/title. First, the folders can’t be sorted by topic. So, with lots of folders/subfolders, a user may have to scan lists to find the desired one. Second, numbers, like L1, L2, L3, are abstractions, with meanings that are eventually forgotten over time, whereas “topics” live out in the world. If a person places a file into folder “L3-XXXXXXX”, 6 months down the road, they may not remember where they put it.
5 - Dates in Labels/Titles - Again, the Windows and Mac file management systems do an excellent job managing file creation and file update dates. - - - Granted, if a file contains information that was created in an event before the file was created, then putting that date in the file’s label/title can be helpful.
Hi Jim, appreciate your feedback!
A few words to your points: 1. I know the MECE principle but believe that when using a hierarchical structure, it's not always possible to stay 100% MECE except you are very disciplined. Regardless, I believe with cross-links that's still manageable. 2. I know that some OS allow better use of tags (such as iOS) than others (windows). So here I believe it goes down to which OS you are using and how easy it is using tags. 3. Fully agree. 4. I believe there are pros and cons to using numbers or letters in folder names, for example. I think it eventually goes down to your purpose and way of working, i.e. which structure or labelling strategy you use (by projects, in alphabetical order or by topics etc.). Also, I would never recommend putting a "Lx" in front of a foler but rather just numbres or letters. 5. Dates in file names can be helpful if you want to indicate the date the file is being used (e.g. for a speech or presentation on that day), which might be different to the date created or last modified. All the best, Lea
@@LeaDavidThanks for the thoughtful reply.
Finally found a perfect guide after watching many videos. Thanks mam
You are welcome!
Good advice.
I’ve been using a hierarchy for tasks and for filing :
1) Area of life (personal, home/family/friends, work, community)
2) Role (eg father, husband, engineer, line manager, functional safety specialist)
3) Client (for work-related stuff), person, organisation or group
4) Project
My projects are sorted into:
0-actions and minutes
0-management (separate subfolders as needed for budget, resources, programme, safety, )
1-inputs (site info, requirements, guidance, usually then in subfolders by yy-mm-dd date received)
2-WIP (work in progress)
3-issued outputs
I have a separate set of folders for reference materials, sub-divided into topics (David Allen’s GTD methodology suggests keeping the reference library separate from project files).
There is a fourth file organisation method you’ve missed, which is used by MS Sharepoint and other document management software: using metadata instead of a rigid folder structure. With a few metadata fields to cover the questions who, what, where and when, you can then organise your files in multiple filtered and sorted views, making it much easier to find documents by whatever criteria are important to you.
what is action and minutes? but area of life and role dont they often overlap...?
@@ss4717 area of life is broader than role. The four areas of my life that I break my information down into are the ones I’ve written in brackets:
1) My personal information - things like health records, money matters (income, bank accounts, tax), hobbies and interests.
2) Family and friends - anything which I do jointly with my spouse, house, car, children’s information and files, etc.
3) Work - all my work project files and my library reference information and notes. Obviously, this information sits on work computers and servers, so I’m not saying that everything to do with all four areas of my life are in different folders in the same place.
4) Community - any information to do with volunteering, charity or anything else I get involved in with the communities I live in or am involved with.
(I like to think of the above as quarters, but sadly work takes over more than a quarter of my life and community stuff tends to be a lot less than a quarter).
“Roles” are my roles within an area of life. For example, my distinct work roles include electrical engineer, functional safety engineer, HazOp facilitator and line manager. My home roles include husband, father, house maintenance, car owner and maintainer, etc.
As far as actions and minutes are concerned, In my work project folders I start with a folder for all the meeting minutes and the actions arising from them. All the meeting notes/minutes are stored in files or folders with the date at the start of the name (in yyyy-mm-dd format, so that they are kept in chronological order).
I actually use OneNote to write my meeting notes and the sections in my OneNote notebooks are organised in the same way as my folders, so each project notebook has a section for all my meeting notes, in chronological order.
I hope some of that sparks useful ideas for your own system of organisation, along with this very helpful video.
@@stephaneenglish4661 thx for sharing... couple of points... date syntax as YYMMDD can save characters and I am wondering about tagging convention and management to make things more relational, say when you have multiple projects for the same client... searching for the right solution 🙂
Thanks, Stephan, for sharing and the others for contributing :)
I 've never seen any of your videos and don't know how credible you are, but your accent is German so I will trust whatever you say about organization! :D
Thank you - good choice ;)
I am trying to organise my life , decluttered and deep cleaned my flat, now going through all paperwork and digital organisation is my next goal - this video just randomly popped up - serendipity :) Great video.
Love your journey and glad I could help! Good luck with the rest :)
This was on my front page. Heard the German Accent and knew this was gonna be a very efficient file management system. Thanks!
Thanks, Kyle! Appreciate your feedback.
Pro-tip: it doesn't matter which one you use as long as it is quickly searchable. This is why "mass-dumping" is preferred by some companies/individuals. You spend less time trying to figure out where to put it, and it doesn't tempt people to look for it manually (as much).
Over time using a hierarchical system in browser shortcuts becomes impractical.
These days it's better to use the bookmarks search. Depending on the browser it may have a "tags" field for the purpose I'm about to suggest. In the bookmark name or tag field throw in a few arbitrary related words. Like this page could have "tip method filesystem optimize" and when you search for the bookmark it's easier to get lucky since they're your notions.
@@cowboybob7093 for email in particular it took me too long to switch... now i mass dump emails. but I do miss my folders!!!:(
@@ss4717 Ain't it so. I have a folder or two but computers are so good at sorting and searching let them do the work.
Fully agree. It really depends on so many different factors (personal/professional use, operating system, way of working/use cases, personal preferences etc.) what's the best approach. But with all, the ultimate goal should be to get what you want in the least amount of time :)
Great video. I think it’s important for people to set a reminder to just take like 15 minutes every month to clean up their files and keep it nice and tidy. Usually all my mess comes from just dumping everything in a folder chaotically like you mentioned, and then I have to clean up so much later. Doing it on a more consistent basis prevents more headaches down the road.
Absolutely, Mack! Thanks for sharing :)
Ha. I do the same thing with browser tabs when I need to restart the browser. Bookmark all tabs. Folder name is the date. Master folder name “bookmarks to sort.”
Someone once talked about a perfect language. They concluded that it would require prefect knowledge from the beginning. The hierarchy system reminds me of that.
Finding any file based on content and avoiding duplicates are important. And don't rely on storing something in the cloud, it is nothing but a disk owned by someone else.
It's also worth noting that there are options for searching through files these days. It's most useful for text documents, so other types of files do need to be organized more specifically, but for text documents, you can mostly get away with organizing them based on retention policy or source.
So true! Get your own NAS with multiple drives in RAID to not loose any files.
@@EE_fun LOL, That's beyond what most people would want to do or could do. It's similar to the blinking 12:00 syndrome.
Thank you for reminding everyone about avoiding duplicates and making sure your data is always backed up (in whatever form or shape) properly. Best, Lea
You’re describing exactly what I came up with a long, long long time ago, but because of mental illness and other problems all of my hundreds of thousands of files and pictures of gotten lost and scattered and just like my physical life, I’m also putting together my digital life and it’s a long long process, but maybe I’ll subscribe to you and get inspired by you. Maybe that will help, I do like your accent❤
Thanks so much! Glad you liked the video 😀
Nice summary, but my main and really only problem is where to put files that cross multiple topics/projects/issues. I label them fine but months later are the database files, meeting, personal, etc. What happens when I want, for example, to see all my database files. But that means I need to put all my personal, professional, etc, in one place. So now I have work and personal stuff in the same place. If I separate them out, then I have to "hunt" for all the files across my computer. Sometimes I never find them again. Lastly, the most incredibly annoying thing is Window's using the same name but not the same location for folders. I put something (during a 'save as' operation) in the "my documents" folder. Later when I want to look at it, it's not there, nor on the desktop version or cloud, etc.. It's usually buried somewhere else. It's frustrating. I wish MS would stop trying to help me and I could just do everything manually so I know where I put the files and then where to find them.
I re-map out the Windows default folders to a common location on family computers so the stuff doesn't end up in multiple personal directories and is on a separate drive from the OS. I still use sub folders for pictures, videos, music, documents, downloads, and other categories. They're also located in a main folder at the root of a common drive. Makes it easier to back up that data also. Some software allows you to set the default save directory in the preferences menu... not all software, but most do. That way you don't have to remember to always do a 'save as' and click through the directory structure to where you want it since you'd have already set it up to do that automatically.
Thanks for your feedback and sharing your challenge. I agree, using a hierarchical system filing documents, which might be relevant for several folders, is a challenge. Either work with crosslinks/shortcuts to have them in several folders or label them properly to use the search functionality more often. Also, you could create a completely separate folder for all of your databases and store them there. Hope you could get inspired a bit and you find a solution. Best, Lea
In the 70’s, one of my first jobs was working with filing systems for different companies. The lessons I learned stay with me today when organizing my computer files. It’s close to your hierarchy system but labeling is based on time or place or client name or project name. I am a Realtor now so beyond client files, there are rule or legal changes, advertising or graphics. It’s a lot to track.
Thanks for sharing! As often, the basics are key and way better, simpler and more sustainable than fancy things 😊
I've never seen filing organization at this level before. Wow! Impressive.
Hi Antoinette, thank you very much for this compliment. Much appreciated :) Best, Lea
I really liked this post. I use the hierarchical method with the same numbering system: 00, 01, 02, etc. I personally find it best not to go beyond three deep. You have a delightful and clear presentation!
Thank you, Rodney! Great to hear you've already implemented this best practice :)
sometimes you have no choice. Specially if you do business. But I agree 3 should be the max,,,, but very hard to achieve.
Love your videos Lea..... Thank you !!!!!
Thanks so much, Alexander! 😄
I would consider at L0 or L1 a "year" folder. And I never change files of completed years. Instead I copy (not move) 'running' documents into the actual year. This is making backups easy and saves the status of completed years. In the end there are multiple copies of some files. But this redundancy is useful.
Thanks for sharing - like your additions!
Great video. I'm so glad the algorithm put this in my feed. I am definitely recommending your channel to my high school daughter. You have been working hard on your channel and I bet it starts scaling up soon. Keep it up.
Thank you so much for your feedback - much appreciated :)
Suggestion, use mass dump system for all files. Then use hierarchy system for shortcuts. I've had many files that could be stored in multiple folders. You can also use properties to name files in your mass dump location .
Are you suggesting to have one directory for a chaotic mass dump and then link to these files from within the organized directory (folder) hierarchy she recommends? Do you have an idea for a naming scheme within the mass dump?
_Everything was great, I was winning. WINNING. Then out of nowhere, they had a massive DUMP. There were_ maaassive dumps, _that's how they CHEETED._
hmmm I never thought of that. that's a good idea worth looking into for the very reason you give - files can often belong in many places.
@@uminchu59 I'm not an expert and I haven't been using for awhile but I found that using the windows properties already did a great job of naming the file properties. Try to keep it as simple as possible. Pictures of you dogs might say our dogs oatmeal and Coco. It should be the years taken and alot of other info. Google pictures keeps track of when and where you took the pictures and recognize faces and I'm sure other things. Another common thing would be document for taxes 2022 John Doe. I hope this helps.
You run into serious problems doing that when it comes to individual OS file systems. 10,000 files in a windows directory really drags performance straight to hell, much less 20-30 million. You could use a huffman tree type architecture (26 directories for files starting with each letter, then go down from there) to keep things discrete. But that gets a different kind of messy.
Love this. Thank you Lea.
You are so welcome, Andrew :)
Thank you for sharing these tips. I organised my files that way and it looks much better now!
Glad it helped!
That's what happens to me all the time... to many sub folders and file name = more then 255 very frustrating.
You are the first to mention this important fact. Thanks for sharing.
You are welcome. Hope you can solve this issue!
Good one! I've long used hierarchical, frequently using 3-digit numerical prefix (e.g. Book Writing projects. Having written over a hundred books, 3 digits required).
Also, love the suggestion of yearMonthDay sequence. Helps to keep things properly organized by date, where optimum.
And good advice on file path limitations. If folder identity becomes too cryptic, I will add a 0_filename.txt file which sorts to the top with further description of contents. Sometimes this can be in the filename itself, and other times I will add a longer description in the file contents, e.g. 0_Contents.txt -- "Research on local dinosaur species for Pangaea Sister Sites."
Hi Rod, thanks for your feedback and for sharing your view. Fully agree that adding a txt file helps to provide additional information if you encounter space limitations. I also store passwords for any locked documents in a txt file so you always have them at hand in case you want to open the document. All the best, Lea
@P. Wingert Looks like a good idea until the spreadsheet goes bad. Happened to me once. Yes, it was on OneDrive. The restore option did not work for me.
I prefer a simple text file with meta information. That file should be stored together with the content it applies to.
@@LeaDavid from security point of view, you should never store passwords in a txt file, and instead use password management tools such as LastPass, 1Password or better open source ones such as Bitwarden
@@LeaDavid from security point of view, you should never store passwords in a txt file, and instead use password management tools such as LastPass, 1Password or better open source ones such as Bitwarden
@@PWingert1966 By concentrating that much critical information in one single spreadsheet (and now telling us that you do) you have also given bad actors the greatest hacking prize to search for in your file system server or online storage. I hope to heaven that you protect that Alpha Document since the most valuable component (passwords) in your digital life are now stored there.
Your teaching style and personality is brilliant!
Thank you so much!
Using current file names as a template for subsequent file names is handy.
Parts of the name may be shared by several files with unique parts like date or version.
I use my keyboard most of the time and moving through the name with ctrl+arrow keys can get tedious. In those cases use the underscore "_" instead of spaces in the repetitious part. Linking multiple words with underscores will cause them to become a single block of letters without spaces.
Try this - Move your cursor to the next lines and use ctrl+arrow keys to jump right and left:
20230504 client demands and specifications r1
20230504 client_demands_and_specifications r1
That's a so damn bad practice. You lose more time by pressing arrow keys to the part you want to change instead of jumping large sections of the file name.
@@smashICE1 I'll try again: An underscore instead of a space between words. A file name of a_b_c-d_e_f_g_z in Windows file explorer will behave like it's 2 lumps of characters with a space between the c and the hyphen. It's faster than using a mouse or touchpad.
@@cowboybob7093 I'll try again: Underscores are stupid and make filename part jumping useless so you have to use many arrow key presses or pointing of the cursor with the mouse necessary.
@@smashICE1 We disagree, you're disagreeable, I bet you get a lot of that.
@@cowboybob7093 No. Just from morons who have no clue about stuff and think they found some ridiculous holy grail. Have fun with your ancient underscore bs. Windows users are always so funny (stupid).
Great presentation for simple computer file organizing. Can see there is going to be an abundance of screen time organizing my where-ever file system from past years.
Thanks for guidance to put some semblance of order to my files or at least those going forward file.
Hi Barry, glad you found the video helpful and could take something away for yourself!
That's a good description of these 3 storage styles. Thank you for including the info that long folder names will cause you problems in time. If you include those long folder names, and the long root folder that Teams and Google Drive adds, you will quickly find that you can't save files because of very unhelpful error messages from Windows. Keep the folder names SHORT! Have MORE L0 folders, and keep the sub-folders. In the case of Google Drive (and other object storage systems) performance begins to degrade with more files. So a best practice for Google Shared Drives is to have MORE L0 drives and not nest them so much.
Hi Jesse, thanks for your feedback and the great additions in your comment. All the best, Lea
Thank you so very much for your video on file organization. I have struggled with this for a very long time. I am sure your video would put me on the right path :) A quick question: What is the function and need of Adim folder? Thanks in advance.
Hi there, this was just one example (of many) I gave in the video. But you might want to store budgets, business plans, any contractual documents, etc. in an overarching admin folder. If you don't have anything like that, you don't need such a folder.
your so happy explaining it i very much enjoyed XD
Thanks :)
A good data strategy should include purge and archive as well as the use of meta data. Meta tags are powerful way to add info but you must have the discipline to use it or use customizations to prompt for populating them during a save. A pro tip is not to use cloud or O365 rental software.
The Freedom Filer paper system has concepts applicable to a digital system. They have categories for action, supplies, permanent, remove/replace updating items like Insurance policies, leases, contact lists, for example. They have financial, tax related financial, special interest information, archive. It makes it a lot faster to purge things when they can be grouped or found like that. A designator can be used to mark files that belong in one category for a period of time, but you want to know where it goes next (archive, permanent etc.). And obviously, it works great for papers.
@@engin.m can you suggest any tools or software to do this in linux or windows?
@@AVAM.. I searched but not found one solution. I developing application for my file problems. If can stably run app i publish. But not gurantied one solutions because some files manage other application or operation systems. For example nuget packages stored many each project.
Hi Robert! Indeed, using metadata and tags is super powerful as long as it's done across all files and folders (and across a team or organization) and as long as the OS supports this and a good search functionality :) Best, Lea
This absolutely mind boggling! I'm sticking with the OLD Fashioned ABC's
Thanks :)
This was excellent. I tried to use Tiago Forte's PARA system and I just couldn't deal with mixing all of my personal and work life in just 4 folders. This makes so much more sense to me. I can still use elements of PARA in the Work area, but it frees me from having to use it in my Personal and Education areas. Not surprising that it took a German to organise Tiago's organisation system properly 🙂
Thank you so much for such a huge compliment - your feedback also made me laugh quite a bit :) But I very much like your approach as well, just to combine different ideas and practices to find your own personal best. Since everyone has different requirements and preferences, I am glad that I could add something to your way of working. All the best, Lea
There is no reason you couldn't have kept them separate with 2 PARA's. :/
Girl after my own heart- organization discipline 👍
Thanks, Rick!
Bist du Deutscher? :)
Thanks. I would use hyphen (-) instead of underscore (_) in the naming so that that the file path can be read properly when they are converted to hyperlink as you would most likely be using cloud storage
And don't use #
Yes, you might want to use a hyphen or space, also because it let's you move in between the file name a lot quicker with CTRL + ARROW LEFT / RIGHT as well.
Wow, that's a great tip
Oh, thank goodness this works now. The search feature in Windows used to treat (-) as "minus" and would use it as a boolean operator. So searching exact names containing hyphens would result in no hits. I just tested on Windows 11 and it looks like that is no longer the case.
I never subscribed so fast to a newsletter!
Thank you so much, Marion! Glad you enjoyed the video and have fun with the newsletter. Best, Lea
Personally, like a lot of people I use the Hierocracy method. Although they all start out with the common place markers used on most computer OS systems (Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Music etc). I start with folders commonly included on Linux as it's easy to create shortcuts no matter what OS you use or switch between as they're all pretty similar. The only other default folders I add is a "_Settings" folder (where I can put any type of setting, profile or configuration file relevant for programs), a "Work" folder for my work stuff (obviously) and a "Temp" (or working) folder for storing temporary stuff I can easily delete. I suppose you could split your documents folder into work & personal, but that's just another extra level to contend with.
My folders are always on either a separate drive or partition, again making it easy if you change between operating systems
After the work folder, I split them into financial years (i.e 2021-2022, 2022-2023 etc). I also do something similar in email. So each year has a very similar structure in terms of the types of folders (like suppliers, reports, expenses etc), but they're all grouped under a year range. It makes it easy to collapse everything to hide, archive or if you still need to search for something.
The main thing is try and pick something that works for you and stick with it. Be stringent with the structure you choose and make sure you rename files to something meaningful (other than the default your phone may use such as photo_1234567_89.ext). Use something like date_location_desc.ext.
Thanks for sharing, Peter! I like your approach :) Best, Lea
Good advice. It takes time for such organization but pays off in the long run.
Hi James, thanks for your feedback, and fully agree - it always pays off in the long run!
👏🏾 Great information. I'm starting a new career and being extremely organized with filling is mandatory. New subscriber.😊
That's wonderful to hear. Congrats and glad I could help you out! All the best
The structure we already follow in our workspace. I appreciate your tips idea.
That's great to hear and thanks for your feedback!
I like your system a lot, and I tried the same thing for my office. I kept all my documents according to my client’s name, [last name,_first name]_[appeal level code]_date [year month day]_[document code, i.e., “P” = court filing]_[general description]. The system kept all the documents of the same type in the same place and sorted by appellate level, which can be helpful when you need it. The problem I had at times was the clerical staff, who insisted on typing everything instead of using the macro I wrote, which would automatically name the files using the correct file naming convention. All it took was an added or missing space or a different spelling, and I was so screwed. The last few years have seen far more sophisticated processes for these mundane tasks, but they are beyond me; my files are stable and searchable back to 1988, and I don't have to know what "SQL" means. So there.
You could have saved yourself hours of mundane correcting if you hired a programmer to write a batch script that would generate the proper names on save or if you moved a file to a different folder, it would auto rename the file. Basically a search and replace. FYI (hope you know what that means.)
Thank you very much! Indeed, changing a naming convention or way of working takes time and needs full buy-in from the entire team. I agree, though, with that there are also other third-party tools that can take away a lot of effort in renaming or managing files. However, appreciate your effort and the approach you have taken (which sounds completely sensible to me). Best, lea
@@LeaDavid Thank you very much.
Thanks for sharing the information. Currently I am using the hierarchy method.
Hi Mohammed, you are welcome. Glad you are already using the hierarchy method that hopefully works well for you. Best, Lea
I find Leading zeroes on a folder name to be an issue.
I would tend to start at 10 or 11 rather than 01, so either 10 then 20 then 30 0r 11 then 12 then 13.
If you hold 01 in a database or some other software it may strip the leading zero.
I would also tend to use the number from the previous level to start the number at the next.
I think prefix digits are a bad practice without a very specific association. If merely using as alternative ordering filter, it removes the ease of jumping to the starting letter with the keyboard, unless you have memorized the numbering. However, if someone else has to look for something, that possibly become tedious if the folder count is large.
Hi Stephen. Indeed, your concerns might be relevant if you are dealing with specific software as well as you might have more flexibility labeling folders. All the best, Lea
Good info. Well presented 😊
Thank you 🙂
I have been doing this since 8th grade. It is usually very good to organize the data. I suggest to also include a master file for the different version you create for each project and also similarly you can do for the backup you make for each of your file. Otherwise you will mess up and wouldn't know about the backups and even how to navigate since data will be huge amount. I hope there are apps that can help us manage our data at work, home etc. The cloud solution sucks, not a reliable one. Sky drive (now One Drive), yahoo, hotmail deleted all of my files and there is no update on them yet.
Hi there, many thanks for commenting! Love your suggestion about including a master file as well always taking care of back-ups. All the best, Lea
I started watching your videos a couple of days ago. I cant stop , your teaching methodology is excellent, very practical . Thanks, I need A LOT of organization skills , my mind goes to fast that I'm missing organization.
Thank you so much - your feedback is much appreciated!
Definitely #3 hierarchy system. But there's room for improvement. Thanks so much for your helpful content!
You're very welcome! Cheers
Ok, you just became my favorite person today!
Thank you so much, Austin!
Thanks for video since it is an important topic ! I use hierarchy system. However, I constantly update the structure to minimize the average search time (i.e. minimize overall time spent on searching). Vision is to have 5-10 folders in each folder and name and arrange the files so that each folder is roughly used similar in amount. I do not use numbering since I think it is easier to remember and faster to access by pressing first letter on keyboard. However, somethimes, I rename the start of folders and files to todays date to make them sort (I use autohotkey=windows or autokey=ubuntu for this). For temporary increased work on a particular sub folder, I use links on the top-level to jump directly there. Good luck! ❤👍📂💻
Thanks for your feedback and sharing your way of working (which I really like btw) :)
Amazing video!
Thank you for making our file world a better place ❤
Thanks, Simon! Glad you liked the video 😁
I LOVE IT! I try to avoid folders as it makes file metadata more linear and doesn't levarage sorting/the search engine or allow a document to exist in to locations. I incorporate folders structure into my file name with a period as the delimiter. It flattens the structure.and leverages some of the MS365 and One Drive features. :)
Hi, thanks for your feedback and sharing your way of working. Sounds like a solid alternative. All the best, Lea
Example please. I find myself having multiple sub folders. Too many
Yeah can you elaborate on this?
Yes Nesting it in the name with some form delimiters works best for me. Document your standards, naming convention, and syntax in a readme.txt file. You are also limited to 255 characters.
For example: Department > topic > company > article name or "IT.Security.Microsoft.Impeding doom of your personal Info.docx"
Hierarchy file management structure is more advanced & easy to get our files simply. Thank you!
I would opt for an initial number scheme with steps of 10. I.e. 10, 20, 30 etc. This way you can always slide in an extra folder if the need arises.
Boy is this ever true. Because I write software sometimes, I have found that jumping by 100 is useful to leave space between thoughts. For example, everything in the 200-299 range is related. For this reason I number my stuff with four digits like 0000, 0100, 0110, 0120, 0200, 0210. This is helpful to keep the columns lined up.
Excellent idea, I am a convert now 🥹 thank you.
Hi Martin, agree. If you want more flexibility and are not 100% sure if you have and solid structure for a longer period of time, that's the way to go! Best, Lea
i love these kinds of videos! "stuff you never learned, but will improve your life drastically"
Thank you so much for your feedback - fully agree, this is something that falls in the category you mentioned :)
Clear and to the point. Thank you very much!
Glad you liked it!
Thank You very much for the learning. This information very important for me..... Thanks alot Miss Lea David, Best Regard from me, I'm a Teacher from Indonesia
Hi, thank you so much for your feedback! Glad you liked the content of my video. All the best, Lea
Thanks Greta Tunberg's sister!
Haha thanks!
I love your enthusiasm. The key here is association, or " keys". One must associate the item or file with a key or trigger that makes sense. The method that you promote is generally effective, and is a great " worst case, fall back" way to get there. However, while being very effective, it is not the most efficient. I use a trainwreck of a hybrid, hardly a method at all. But it goes like this. My mind associates times and dates with the contents of my files, and some other contextual elements, that may or may not have anything at all to do with the actual contents of the file. So I do a chaotic, mass dump, time based hierarchy. For example all files live on the desktop, and they are all labeled prominently with the date and time, as well as with their intended use, and maybe the weather conditions or what room I was in at the time. These triggers all work for me. Crazy brain😂
Hi, thanks for sharing. I fully agree with you that you should use whatever works best for you and your way of working. Best, Lea
Very good material, thanks!
You are welcome - thanks for your feedback!
Thanks Lea. Your charisma is very beautiful. What you explain draws a smile on the listener.
Thank you so much!
OMG! Where have you been all my life? I'm 60+ and only just got organized!
Hi Charles, thank you so much :) Glad it was helpful and all the best, Lea
Practical video, we all do that but never think to address it, appriciated. Hirarchy is the coomon and best way to save.
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very good advice and thanks for getting to the point quickly!!
Glad you liked it! 😊
Good guidance. 👍 thanks
You are welcome!
You are a miracle ! Thank you.
Thanks, you are welcome!
it is great to learn all this things from you, thank you.
My pleasure!
Great idea. Thank you for sharing
You are welcome, Ukeme!
Super informative, educational and really well made video!
Thank you for sharing.
Greetings from a new subscriber in Sweden ☀
Thank you so much for your feedback and support! All the best and greetings back to the North, Lea
Great video, thank you!
Thanks, you are welcome!
I'm currently using the chaotic storage file management system because when I download something I'm not usually aware of what files I'm exactly downloading. For example: I need a VST to play drums inside a DAW. I ended up with creating an account, downloading the plugin management software, the software create files without asking, each company has its own commercial names, then downloading the installer, then the files in different formats, (VST3, ,VST2, ,dll, .AAX), then the libraries, the samples, the notes, the manual. Sometimes the installers don't ask where to storage the files. Also there are a lot of hidden files everywhere.
Thanks for sharing!
Really well done, Lea. You presented your organization method very clearly and your narration is excellent. And,....... you're beautiful to look at. 😊
Thank you so much for your feedback - much appreciated!