@@dougtaukobong-olsen7003 oh indeed Burn Rubber, Mama Jama, and PYT all very similar tonally & rhythmically. Johnny Guitar Watson's "Strike On Computers" is another one lol I don't think any of it was intentional rip-offs, as much as it was just "the spirit of the boogie" ;)
The same guy who developed 'Bad Mama Jamma' worked on 'PYT' therefore it cannot be a rip off. He brought his distinctive baseline style to both tracks.
The original P.Y.T. is great but Thriller needed that dance track to really go crazy, plus it caters to the ladies. As a wise man once said, you write for the ladies!
@@KorpusV6 i respect your opinion. Part of the reason I said that is based on what Quincy said about the making of thriller. He said some of Quincy suggested sounded to similar to off the wall and Michael is the one who pushed more for songs like billy jean and beat it. The rest of thriller sounded so different from PYT
I agree that it sounds like something on off the wall, but I think having a song in that sort of style is helpful in adding some contrast/differences to the sound of the album, so I like it on Thriller.
Michael and Greg’s P.Y.T. sounds awfully similar to some of the sounds Stevie was using on HIS album, 1982 Original Musiquarium. This shouldn’t surprise y’all considering Greg’s history with the Uber-talented Stevie Wonder (his involvement in the development of the groundbreaking Songs in the Key of Life). The break really is mesmerizing. Funk/Pop/Soul/Jazz amalgamated into one song.
Original Musiquariam was a compilation with only four new songs, meaning except for those four songs all of the other songs were from previously released albums. Plus Thriller came out in 1982 as well.
Seeing you playing the bass for the Thriller version of P.Y.T. Makes me hope that you just make a frivolous throwaway video where you just play your favourite bass lines, no set up, no story-arch. Just you showing what you love to do
My college roommate ruined 7 Polo shirts I had with that nasty shit. Even after I told him to stop wearing them. We were high school teammates too and just the utter disrespect made me kind of hate him. So, I got a new roommate and told him to keep those nasty shirts. Gross.
When I heard that bassline played, I immediately recognized the melody being played! Then he revealed the song was "She's A Bad Mama Jama" by Carl Carlton...and it was *not* the song I was thinking of. That bassline that he played sounded *very* similar to the opening bassline of Teena Marie's "I Need Your Lovin'", released in 1980. (Another interesting note is that after Teena Marie's departure from Motown Records following an acrimonious legal battle, she found her way over to Epic Records--which was Michael's label at that time--in 1983.)
i think the only similarity to Teena"s bass line is that both begin with the first 3 notes of a minor scale. But the rhythms in all three lines are different and so are their resolutions.
@@africkinamerican Oh! That's probably it. And now that I listen more closely, it doesn't sound exactly like Teena Marie's song. Only the first three notes, as you observed. Thanks for pointing that out! 👍
Michael & Teddy Riley would use that original version of P.Y.T. as the base 4 Someone Put Your Hand Out, which equally didn't make the Dangerous album. Top video dude.
I bought the Thriller anniversary album, but I hated that they included remixes of Will-I-Am. I felt like it spoiled the back cover. So I ended up buying another rerelease without the remixes.
Holy shit, that mash up!!!! I'll get to that later. The original PYT "demo" version is unlike anything I ever heard when I first heard. It's a re-imagining of a song that... wasn't the original. It's on the "Anthology of Michael Jackson" compilation set. A five disc set of all his best hits, a lot of unreleased songs, and demo version of classic songs, plus a dvd of his Dangerous Concert. And when I heard this version, I immediately fell in love with it. It's captivating, smooth, you can dance, or just mellow out to it. Most MJ fans know the song well, and casual fans... who knows. But this is a sick discovery, how Bad Mama Jama can fit so well into those lyrics.. to the album version. I NEED more of that mix.
The bass is back! I love it when you play bass in your video's and you know why. I'm in the middle of writing my own (funk) album, and these sort inspiration-almost-rip-off things happen to me all the time Stay funky bro 👍
You are cold-blooded with that base guitar. ❤ As a soon-to-be, 55-year-old-woman, you got me feeling really good. This old-school music brought back some good memories. Thank you, for taking the time, to create this feel-good video. 😊
I’m a working keybass/keyboardist that’s ALSO a turntablist/Dj, former battle Dj, but most of my current peers are more bass players than keyboardists. I came from that Soulive school of music. Neal Evans is my hero! IYKYK And after following DTG for awhile now, it’s always dope whenever Brandon gets down with the mighty axe!
Michael Jackson wrote the Demo. The album version is a completely different song written by James Ingram and Quincy Jones. It was wrong of you to introduce the video by saying “Did *Michael Jackson* rip off the song?” You can’t accuse MJ for song theft for songs he didn’t write.
@@jamiebelle9609As Michael Jackson didn’t write PYT, he may not have heard the song that has a similar bass line as, that’s something for Quincy Jones to answer as he co-wrote the the song.
When an artist works with the same producers and musicians that other artists use, you will have similar sounding songs. I’ll give you another example is you haven’t used it already “Boogie Nights” by Heatwave and “ Off the Wall” by Michael Jackson. Every genre of music does it but not many people consciously hear the similarities. Most music fans favorite songs are produced by the same person or persons but performed by different artists but they don’t realize the connection to the producer (s).
It’s amazing how Michael gets accused of ripping off certain songs when in fact he’s not the main producer nor is he in charge. That would be Quincy. He has the final say in what makes the album, simple as that. In an interview years ago someone brought up the Donna Summer record and he blamed Michael for that bass line
Per Jackson’s contract he had full creative control and was listed as co-producer on the album and all of the songs. Meaning Jackson, not Jones had final say.
Quincy is overrated he wasn't even in the studio for most days. Michael was the main force behind everything. He gets wayyyyy too much credit in mikes career. B team is way better on the thriller album
@@onesong2001 you be on all MJ vids go back to prince. Some of us love MJ and y'all like prince. Such a weird prince fan, you feel the need to discredit Mike's talent to uplift prince. I don't know what you have against Mike but we get it you hate him. Shut the fuck up please. Cause it doesn't stop that Mike was a songwriter, producer, dancer, arranger, humanitarian, and etc. Please just go enjoy prince you sound real bitter
@@onesong2001 and who cares? No one denies that he had other people in the studio, but you seem to be real bitter. I mean Sammy Davis Jr my favorite entertainer didn't write or play instruments ON ANY OF HIS SONGS but I don't see anyone trying to discredit him. Mike was a songwriter, producer, arranger, etc. he wasn't known for playing instruments but I believe he understood the basics of course. Drums were more his specialty. Check out MDLT WILLIS what's your game. All the Jackson brothers play an instrument, Mike plays the drums, Marlon the saxophone, Jackie the keyboard, Jermaine the bass, Randy the Congos, and Tito the guitar. But I think Mike wasn't a musician but he sure was talented in the studio like all the rest. I personally find Quincy to be old, bitter and a senile man. Because thriller has two teams a and b team. Michael wrote and produced a lot of songs for that album but Quincy wasn't having it, and Quincy wasn't even in the studio for that. I get you're a prince fan and I can't change your mind but please understand.
Interesting! I’m now hearing similarities from the PYT chorus to Lady Sun by EWF released the previous year. Both had Greg Phillinganes, David Foster & Paulinho Da Costa playing. Also Changing Times off that album “Raise” is definitely the precursor to Beat It.
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I'm so happy I found your channel. I'm an artist (drawing) and I've always remained purposely ignorant to music production bc of my fear of being too analytical and getting too deep into what makes something "sound good" to me. You go into great detail without getting too technical (even though you could) and I appreciate that as a viewer. Subscribed.
Is PYT a rip off of Bad Mamma Jamma? No of course not....BUT "Say You'll Be There" IS for sure a rip off of Bad Mamma Jamm! Peep the Spice Girls move on the electro funk!
Another great comparison is the “Of The Wall” baseline compared to Heatwaves “Boogie Nights”. Rod Temperton had a hand in both projects so I ‘m not surprised, but it would make a great vid. Love the vids btw.
I must say, I absolutely love your videos. They're very entertaining. And even though I'm a music buff & have extensive & even sumtimes meaningless knowledge, you've definitely turned me on to sum things that I wasn't aware of. For example.... as an MJ SUPER fan, there is no reason why I shouldn't own that version of PYT. But I'll admit, a lot of albums I wont purchase because I'll feel like I have all the songs already, and sum slip through. Like when I 1st heard Fly away, I was BLOWN away. Ur knowledge of music (especially Soul) is impressive & refreshing. I'M callin this 1. So u can tell anyone that I SAID SO... But u can come to the cookout anytime man.
6:10 So I immediately heard Gap Band when he played the bass. I recently learned that bassline lol. Leaving this here to see if I guessed right... Edit: So I was wrong but The Gap Band's burn rubber has a very similar baseline.
I just love Michael Jackson, I grew up with his amazing Thriller album. After the 2024 Paris Olympics opening ceremony where Supernature by Cerrone was played, I went back to listen to it again and I realizes something I hadn’t noticed up until now…listen to the bass line from 7:10 of the song and see if you recognize it: th-cam.com/video/cJ5V3OZdIZM/w-d-xo.html
There are a lot of bass line that sounds similar. And I think this is because bass is an element that is more rhythmical than melodic while being both. The bass follows the chords and i've noticed that if some songs share the same chords progression (regardless the key) and the same "mood"/groove, it's likely that they will sound similar or exactly identical, not necessarily always with the "stealing" intent.
Dope. Another thing to add to this conversation is that some musicians have their favorite keys and ways of playing. I notice I have similar licks and runs when I'm playing keys. While my beats are different, the chord placement of the melody movement is similar. Let's call it a musician's musical DNA.
Wait, so your accusing Michael of stealing a song that he didn't write? At least he wrote Billie Jean which you made your argument for him ripping off from Hall & Oats whether that argument is valid or not...at least he wrote the song in question. But now it seems like you're just making a general narrative that he was a flat out song stealer. I will give you props for the mashup at the end though. That was cool.
Quincy's productions always have series' of signature sounds. Like literal signatures, just notice "smooth criminal" riffs around the chorus, compared to "ya mo be there" and a similar sound in the movie soundtrack of the Wiz. i wouldnt consider it stealing if he is working with the production team.
P.Y.T. will forever be my favorite track off Thriller and I'll always love James Ingram for that track (loved him anyway, but yeah). Totally forgot about the '08 remix by Will.I.Am, which again was my favorite from the Thriller 25 release. When I first heard the remix, I had no idea at that point that it was based on MJ's demo. But listening to it now, it sounds sooo dated and sooo 2008, as you said. Really odd how some tracks that you considered bangers back in the day can sound so different after many years. Great video, by the way, instant sub!
As always for DTG, well researched, well reasoned and well presented, but lets be real here, the best bit of any DTG video is when Brandon lets his fingers do the talking and slays us with a b-line.. Keep up the great work bro! Oh and I just joined the hacked ipod crew too.. 🙌
This was the best way to sample a song at the time. Through interpolation. James Ingram did create the original song so that makes it extremely simple to clear the usage of those few riffs. Boom! You have a second hit out of the same instrument chords😂
To add, it's not theft, it's just style, different music styles have their vocabularies. There is a reason why for us today the music of classical era sounds all the same as well as the music of romantic era, but are very different from each other. There are more than a dozen songs that could be a "theft" of PYT. For example Advance - "Take me to the top".
The first 4 notes in the bass are also the same as in Love Machine by The Miracles 😁. The difference is that the bass also adds a fifth above the fundamental which is very unusual for bass playing.
You know Mike stole/burrowed from other artist.. and he told them.. that's also why he NEVER sued anyone that sampled his music bc he said it's the highest form of flattery. Don't believe that.. look up if he ever sued anyone that sampled his music especially Kanye..he sampled a couple of Mike songs. H to the Izzo.. and Good Life
FACT: James inghram was coming from a studio recording with Angie Stone and Icaught him at a gas station and spoke with him for a good while. He stated that he used a bit a Bad Mama Jama on the bassline. He also said he was doing the bassline to Ya Mo Be There and Michael McDonald came in with the synth line.
Man, it's been too long since we see you pull out the bass guitar and show us what's up!!! Loved this video and loved see you jam on the bass. Need a few more songs that allow you to bring the bass into the story!!
Michael Jackson didn’t rip off anybody… he didn’t even write the damn song, so how could he have ripped someone off? Y’all just won’t let this man rest in peace…
8:30 In fact, out of these 12 notes if we're not talking jazz or blues, most songs only use 7 of them anyhow. Unless there's a keychange, but you get what I mean. Out the seven scales we could use, we use mostly 2: major and minor. I mean, that makes the selection much, much smaller than what is theorecticly possible with 12 notes. Thank god, this is why we DJ music like this!
That mash up was great, and your bass playing is smooth. Inspiration on the Thriller album is everywhere but nowadays with sampling, interpolation it would be a legal minefield.
I just discovered this channel from this video and I have to say he read my mind from two different places. This is what I do in my life every day when I listen to things. Love this comparison and noticing how songs are similar plus adding the hidden trivia 🔥 Yesterday I was literally wondering if PYT was similar to anything and if MJ ever "borrowed" anyone else's riffs😏 So nice to see there's a channel that does this too 😃 instant follow for me. Well done sir⭐
I think due to trends in sounds and genres, many songs sound similar. The only MJ "rip" off is Horse With No Name. Other than that, I hear endless songs that remind me of another song due to a similar vibe or structure. Enjoyed the video and immediately recognized, "Bad Mama Mama. Thanks.
It's not blatant theft, it's the sonic sound and the inspiration of the time. Because if "stealing" is the case, then all big hair heavy metal of the 80s is stolen from each and every group.
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we need the story behind michael jackson Hot street album which became thriller
Is there a way I can ask you something about this video? I tried to DM you on Instagram (which I rarely use) but it says the Message can't go through.
I hear "Burn rubber on me" by The Gap Band.
carries around an iPod
...and has the most futuristic desk around
@@dougtaukobong-olsen7003 oh indeed Burn Rubber, Mama Jama, and PYT all very similar tonally & rhythmically. Johnny Guitar Watson's "Strike On Computers" is another one lol I don't think any of it was intentional rip-offs, as much as it was just "the spirit of the boogie" ;)
The same guy who developed 'Bad Mama Jamma' worked on 'PYT' therefore it cannot be a rip off. He brought his distinctive baseline style to both tracks.
You tell them!!!!!!!!!!!😂
as long as they both get a credit, you cannot steal from yourself
You mean "She's a Bad Mama Jama (She's Built, She's Stacked)" by Carl Carlton.
agreed
@@bobdavis4848 written by Leon haywood. Same person who did "I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You".
RIP James Ingram. Absolute legend.
Indeed!
Dang. I didn’t know he passed. Rest In Power. 🙏🏾
@@samwest1097 January 29th, 2019, brain cancer. He was only 66! 😢
That’s my cousin!
He’s jamming with Ya Moh now. 🙏🏾
The original P.Y.T. is great but Thriller needed that dance track to really go crazy, plus it caters to the ladies. As a wise man once said, you write for the ladies!
I really do love both
Agreed - both versions are great - but I don't know what I'd do without the record version, it's too good!
Both are great in their own way!
I personally like the OG version
Who was the wise man? Quincy the Ped?
PYT always sounded like he belonged on off the wall. Had the same vibe as dont stop to you get enough , Rock with you and the title song off the wall
I disagree. P.Y.T belongs on the Thriller album. The guitars on that song are very much 80s
@@KorpusV6 i respect your opinion. Part of the reason I said that is based on what Quincy said about the making of thriller. He said some of Quincy suggested sounded to similar to off the wall and Michael is the one who pushed more for songs like billy jean and beat it. The rest of thriller sounded so different from PYT
I agree that it sounds like something on off the wall, but I think having a song in that sort of style is helpful in adding some contrast/differences to the sound of the album, so I like it on Thriller.
nah, the synths and percussions are too modern. its the blueprint of post disco pop. the quintessential 'thriller' song
The PYT bass also sounds a bit like the chorus melody to 'Workin Day And Night' from Off The Wall. But hey, funk pop will funk pop.
Bass lines are underrated
super underrated. Wish they got more attention in todays music
I don't think they are mate, it's always about the bass and beat, the melody is just the cream on top.
No? Bass lines are one of the most important things in music, wdym?
Baselines are EVERYTHING
There are apparently a lot of people on here with reading comprehension problems.
You betta PLAY dat BASS!!! 😮💨🙌🏾✨💓🎸🎶🔥🔥🔥🔥😁
He was getting that funk!
I was just replaying that part I forgot about the story lol 😂😂😂
Michael and Greg’s P.Y.T. sounds awfully similar to some of the sounds Stevie was using on HIS album, 1982 Original Musiquarium. This shouldn’t surprise y’all considering Greg’s history with the Uber-talented Stevie Wonder (his involvement in the development of the groundbreaking Songs in the Key of Life). The break really is mesmerizing. Funk/Pop/Soul/Jazz amalgamated into one song.
I was looking 4 this comment! As soon as he played it instructed singing 🎶 "tell her that I love her n I want her"🎶 my mom loved Stevie n the 80s
Original Musiquariam was a compilation with only four new songs, meaning except for those four songs all of the other songs were from previously released albums. Plus Thriller came out in 1982 as well.
@@andrewft31 I know!
Or the the Fact that Stevie and Michael are cousins
just before YT recommended this vid to me, I was listening to "That Girl" on repeat!
Dude that Mashup was OFF THE CHAIN!!!!
agree
Where can we find it?
JAMMIN!
Yessir! More of this, please. Record that sh*t and release it 🙏🏼
Super dope!!
Seeing you playing the bass for the Thriller version of P.Y.T. Makes me hope that you just make a frivolous throwaway video where you just play your favourite bass lines, no set up, no story-arch. Just you showing what you love to do
Always wanted to play the bass line of PYt on electric guitar just vibing out fr; dat rock bass too hard 🔥
But why is MJ name being dragged into this, he had nothing to do with the composition?
Without Mike we likely would never have heard that composition.
The algorithm demands it. Excellent mash up at the end.
James ingram wrote PYT
@@chidiumeh Gotta feed that a mighty algorithm...
Maybe because the song is on his album. This video isn't hating, he's just pointing out the reality
That Mashup just makes me want to bring back the Jheri Curls 🤣🔥
😂
Please don’t
Soul Glo...
The Bad Mamma Jamma part of the mashup is very Jheri Curl....😂
My college roommate ruined 7 Polo shirts I had with that nasty shit. Even after I told him to stop wearing them. We were high school teammates too and just the utter disrespect made me kind of hate him. So, I got a new roommate and told him to keep those nasty shirts. Gross.
When I heard that bassline played, I immediately recognized the melody being played! Then he revealed the song was "She's A Bad Mama Jama" by Carl Carlton...and it was *not* the song I was thinking of. That bassline that he played sounded *very* similar to the opening bassline of Teena Marie's "I Need Your Lovin'", released in 1980. (Another interesting note is that after Teena Marie's departure from Motown Records following an acrimonious legal battle, she found her way over to Epic Records--which was Michael's label at that time--in 1983.)
i think the only similarity to Teena"s bass line is that both begin with the first 3 notes of a minor scale. But the rhythms in all three lines are different and so are their resolutions.
@@africkinamerican Oh! That's probably it. And now that I listen more closely, it doesn't sound exactly like Teena Marie's song. Only the first three notes, as you observed. Thanks for pointing that out! 👍
Michael & Teddy Riley would use that original version of P.Y.T. as the base 4 Someone Put Your Hand Out, which equally didn't make the Dangerous album.
Top video dude.
Someone put your hand out is so goood!!!! Mike’s demos sounded like full release versions
finally someone said it lol
I bought the Thriller anniversary album, but I hated that they included remixes of Will-I-Am. I felt like it spoiled the back cover. So I ended up buying another rerelease without the remixes.
9:27 that mix is bumpin
10:29 nooo keep it going!!!!
It really is!!!! Damn!!!!
Holy shit, that mash up!!!! I'll get to that later.
The original PYT "demo" version is unlike anything I ever heard when I first heard. It's a re-imagining of a song that... wasn't the original. It's on the "Anthology of Michael Jackson" compilation set. A five disc set of all his best hits, a lot of unreleased songs, and demo version of classic songs, plus a dvd of his Dangerous Concert. And when I heard this version, I immediately fell in love with it. It's captivating, smooth, you can dance, or just mellow out to it. Most MJ fans know the song well, and casual fans... who knows. But this is a sick discovery, how Bad Mama Jama can fit so well into those lyrics.. to the album version. I NEED more of that mix.
You was going crazy on the bass 🤣🔥
"Give it to me Baby" Rick James. @6:16. and the song "Bad Mamajama"......-
Exactly what I heard immediately
I heard rich james
I didn’t hear Rick at all
Sounds completely different
That's what I heard too
Study the greats and become greater - Michael Jackson. Great video.
The bass is back! I love it when you play bass in your video's and you know why. I'm in the middle of writing my own (funk) album, and these sort inspiration-almost-rip-off things happen to me all the time Stay funky bro 👍
Had lost touch of your channel, glad the algorithm bought it back!! Bout to binge all I missed starting with this one 🔥🔥
Glad to have you back!
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You are cold-blooded with that base guitar. ❤ As a soon-to-be, 55-year-old-woman, you got me feeling really good. This old-school music brought back some good memories. Thank you, for taking the time, to create this feel-good video. 😊
Slap that bass, man!
I heard the Carl Carlton bass line as soon as you played the PYT one.
I’m a working keybass/keyboardist that’s ALSO a turntablist/Dj, former battle Dj, but most of my current peers are more bass players than keyboardists. I came from that Soulive school of music. Neal Evans is my hero! IYKYK
And after following DTG for awhile now, it’s always dope whenever Brandon gets down with the mighty axe!
She's a bad mamma jamma? You don't do that "pause and put it in the comments" thing but I'm doing it anyway cuz I'm smiling ear to ear at 6:34.
Michael Jackson never played PYT live
1:25 The D.J. in me heard i adore mi amor by color me badd
I heard that too!
Yup.
Michael Jackson wrote the Demo. The album version is a completely different song written by James Ingram and Quincy Jones. It was wrong of you to introduce the video by saying “Did *Michael Jackson* rip off the song?” You can’t accuse MJ for song theft for songs he didn’t write.
RIght!
Still put his name on it soooooo
@@jamiebelle9609As Michael Jackson didn’t write PYT, he may not have heard the song that has a similar bass line as, that’s something for Quincy Jones to answer as he co-wrote the the song.
This
When an artist works with the same producers and musicians that other artists use, you will have similar sounding songs. I’ll give you another example is you haven’t used it already “Boogie Nights” by Heatwave and “ Off the Wall” by Michael Jackson. Every genre of music does it but not many people consciously hear the similarities. Most music fans favorite songs are produced by the same person or persons but performed by different artists but they don’t realize the connection to the producer (s).
Nice video! Whenever I hear the original PYT demo, Marvin Gaye's "After the Dance" always pops up into my inner ear.
It’s amazing how Michael gets accused of ripping off certain songs when in fact he’s not the main producer nor is he in charge. That would be Quincy. He has the final say in what makes the album, simple as that. In an interview years ago someone brought up the Donna Summer record and he blamed Michael for that bass line
Per Jackson’s contract he had full creative control and was listed as co-producer on the album and all of the songs. Meaning Jackson, not Jones had final say.
Quincy is overrated he wasn't even in the studio for most days. Michael was the main force behind everything. He gets wayyyyy too much credit in mikes career. B team is way better on the thriller album
@@finderkeeperrrs Michael wasn't the main source behind any of his music. Let me know if you want a link to a video of him saying that.
@@onesong2001 you be on all MJ vids go back to prince. Some of us love MJ and y'all like prince. Such a weird prince fan, you feel the need to discredit Mike's talent to uplift prince. I don't know what you have against Mike but we get it you hate him. Shut the fuck up please. Cause it doesn't stop that Mike was a songwriter, producer, dancer, arranger, humanitarian, and etc. Please just go enjoy prince you sound real bitter
@@onesong2001 and who cares? No one denies that he had other people in the studio, but you seem to be real bitter. I mean Sammy Davis Jr my favorite entertainer didn't write or play instruments ON ANY OF HIS SONGS but I don't see anyone trying to discredit him. Mike was a songwriter, producer, arranger, etc. he wasn't known for playing instruments but I believe he understood the basics of course. Drums were more his specialty. Check out MDLT WILLIS what's your game. All the Jackson brothers play an instrument, Mike plays the drums, Marlon the saxophone, Jackie the keyboard, Jermaine the bass, Randy the Congos, and Tito the guitar. But I think Mike wasn't a musician but he sure was talented in the studio like all the rest. I personally find Quincy to be old, bitter and a senile man. Because thriller has two teams a and b team. Michael wrote and produced a lot of songs for that album but Quincy wasn't having it, and Quincy wasn't even in the studio for that. I get you're a prince fan and I can't change your mind but please understand.
The same bassist made both rhythms of both songs, so no, PYT is not a rip off.
Totally called that beat from miles away as Bad Mamajamma. I even remember hearing PYT when I was a little kid thinking “Sounds like Bad mamajama”
Interesting! I’m now hearing similarities from the PYT chorus to Lady Sun by EWF released the previous year. Both had Greg Phillinganes, David Foster & Paulinho Da Costa playing. Also Changing Times off that album “Raise” is definitely the precursor to Beat It.
Wow my guy, as a bass lover, Oldschool DJ, and a Digger of Crates as well, I'm a Fanboy fo' reals! ONE LOVE!!
That man can play bass!
"She's a bad-mama-jamma, just as fine as she can be" 😂😅
That mashup with you on bass is INCREIBLE!
Yay I guessed it from the bassline .....it's crazy I never noticed how similar they sound on that riff
Last 2-3 minutes spoke to my SOUL!!!
F.I.Y. Michael did use Hall and Oates baseline and told them. They not only recognized it but approved it.
If one could copyright a chord progression, everybody would owe Pachelbel a lot of money.
That would be the death of music.
i cantr copy right bbut6 you all can. so I just take your shit .go tell yoru global erlite. oh thats right. tiem to go to war whaterver. Im Russia . were same person lol
Anthony Marrenilli never gets credit for the synth sounds on that album.
I'm so happy I found your channel. I'm an artist (drawing) and I've always remained purposely ignorant to music production bc of my fear of being too analytical and getting too deep into what makes something "sound good" to me. You go into great detail without getting too technical (even though you could) and I appreciate that as a viewer. Subscribed.
For me, I prefer the official version of PYT, but that’s art for ya. Your opinion isn’t the highlight, and that’s so cool to know
RIP Michael Jackson. Greatest of All Time
Michael Jackson didn’t write this song, it was written by James Ingram and Quincy Jones, so if it is a rip off they are more to blame than Michael.
Hey….You…..You KNOW you sang along while he was playing the PYT bassline! You know it and I know it! The “na na na na” and also the “ooh!” 💯
Is PYT a rip off of Bad Mamma Jamma? No of course not....BUT "Say You'll Be There" IS for sure a rip off of Bad Mamma Jamm! Peep the Spice Girls move on the electro funk!
Another great comparison is the “Of The Wall” baseline compared to Heatwaves “Boogie Nights”. Rod Temperton had a hand in both projects so I ‘m not surprised, but it would make a great vid. Love the vids btw.
I must say, I absolutely love your videos. They're very entertaining. And even though I'm a music buff & have extensive & even sumtimes meaningless knowledge, you've definitely turned me on to sum things that I wasn't aware of. For example.... as an MJ SUPER fan, there is no reason why I shouldn't own that version of PYT. But I'll admit, a lot of albums I wont purchase because I'll feel like I have all the songs already, and sum slip through. Like when I 1st heard Fly away, I was BLOWN away. Ur knowledge of music (especially Soul) is impressive & refreshing. I'M callin this 1. So u can tell anyone that I SAID SO... But u can come to the cookout anytime man.
Not me having massive goosebumps at the mashup 🥹
My mom told me after he passed that James (my cousin) wrote my favorite singer (MJ) a hit record. RIP to the legends✊🏿
6:10 So I immediately heard Gap Band when he played the bass. I recently learned that bassline lol. Leaving this here to see if I guessed right...
Edit: So I was wrong but The Gap Band's burn rubber has a very similar baseline.
I recognize that bass sound.The song: She's A BAB MAMA JAMA by: Carl Carlton.I know that old Skool funk.
I like how you say did Michael rip off someone.... let's be clear Mike don't have to rip shit...
Still in love with what Kanye did with PYT sample
That was DJ Toomp
WHICH SONG?
@@gustafcederborg9744 good life
@@gustafcederborg9744 Good Life by Kanye West. He sampled P.Y.T Chopped it up and slowed it down.
I usually don’t appreciate sampling but Kanye always Impresses me
For a minute i thought it sounded like the Seinfeld theme. 8:00
But then again, don't all bass lines kind of sound like the Seinfeld theme? 😂
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That was actually played on a Kurzweil keyboard.
He was accused and went to court and proved that he didnt. In reality there are only so many things you can do.
I just love Michael Jackson, I grew up with his amazing Thriller album.
After the 2024 Paris Olympics opening ceremony where Supernature by Cerrone was played, I went back to listen to it again and I realizes something I hadn’t noticed up until now…listen to the bass line from 7:10 of the song and see if you recognize it:
th-cam.com/video/cJ5V3OZdIZM/w-d-xo.html
Wow I never considered this comparison!!!😊
The beat to "Let it Whip" by the Dazz Band it strikingly similar to that of "Beat it".
PYT OG is better than the Thriller version.
There are a lot of bass line that sounds similar. And I think this is because bass is an element that is more rhythmical than melodic while being both. The bass follows the chords and i've noticed that if some songs share the same chords progression (regardless the key) and the same "mood"/groove, it's likely that they will sound similar or exactly identical, not necessarily always with the "stealing" intent.
Thank you for your video. I m a big fan of MJ. Love from Italy
Dope. Another thing to add to this conversation is that some musicians have their favorite keys and ways of playing.
I notice I have similar licks and runs when I'm playing keys. While my beats are different, the chord placement of the melody movement is similar.
Let's call it a musician's musical DNA.
Wait, so your accusing Michael of stealing a song that he didn't write? At least he wrote Billie Jean which you made your argument for him ripping off from Hall & Oats whether that argument is valid or not...at least he wrote the song in question. But now it seems like you're just making a general narrative that he was a flat out song stealer. I will give you props for the mashup at the end though. That was cool.
Quincy's productions always have series' of signature sounds. Like literal signatures, just notice "smooth criminal" riffs around the chorus, compared to "ya mo be there" and a similar sound in the movie soundtrack of the Wiz. i wouldnt consider it stealing if he is working with the production team.
You forgot "I Need Your Loving" by Teena Marie.
P.Y.T. will forever be my favorite track off Thriller and I'll always love James Ingram for that track (loved him anyway, but yeah). Totally forgot about the '08 remix by Will.I.Am, which again was my favorite from the Thriller 25 release. When I first heard the remix, I had no idea at that point that it was based on MJ's demo. But listening to it now, it sounds sooo dated and sooo 2008, as you said. Really odd how some tracks that you considered bangers back in the day can sound so different after many years. Great video, by the way, instant sub!
Would love to see a DJ pull out a bass live!
You gotta tune into the livestreams on Patreon - last Saturdays replay is up for free right now
As always for DTG, well researched, well reasoned and well presented, but lets be real here, the best bit of any DTG video is when Brandon lets his fingers do the talking and slays us with a b-line.. Keep up the great work bro! Oh and I just joined the hacked ipod crew too.. 🙌
That original is fly and sexy.
Will messed it up.
This was the best way to sample a song at the time. Through interpolation. James Ingram did create the original song so that makes it extremely simple to clear the usage of those few riffs. Boom! You have a second hit out of the same instrument chords😂
Vainilla Ice ripped off from Queen and David Bowie.
2:38 "Will I AM at his peak" 🤣🤣🤣
7:44 I love when he brakes out the bass to deal with the TH-cam algorithm!
To add, it's not theft, it's just style, different music styles have their vocabularies. There is a reason why for us today the music of classical era sounds all the same as well as the music of romantic era, but are very different from each other.
There are more than a dozen songs that could be a "theft" of PYT. For example Advance - "Take me to the top".
The cool chord changes of "PYT" separates it on a whole nother level from "Bad Mama Jama".
Please, for the love of fucking god, RELEASE that mashup, dude. Amazing!
2:58 "Where it's at, I got two turntables and a microphone".
The first 4 notes in the bass are also the same as in Love Machine by The Miracles 😁. The difference is that the bass also adds a fifth above the fundamental which is very unusual for bass playing.
Go after Elivs, Justin Beiber, Costello, The Who. Leave the black artists alone.
he won't do that. The white men who stole black music are sacred in the eyes of pretentious white music snobs like this guy.
Why does it matter what race the artist is?
@@Charliem1994 why are only black artists discredited and white artists put on pedestals?
@@CCI320 That is totally incorrect. Get out of fantasy land because you sound ridiculous.
Maybe y’all can stop playing victim
If you listen to the "original" / demo version of PYT at the right time, you'll wanna cry, it sounds so good.
Are you on a crusade to discredit Michael Jackson or something? 😂
The exact opposite 😂
You know Mike stole/burrowed from other artist.. and he told them.. that's also why he NEVER sued anyone that sampled his music bc he said it's the highest form of flattery. Don't believe that.. look up if he ever sued anyone that sampled his music especially Kanye..he sampled a couple of Mike songs. H to the Izzo.. and Good Life
@@MrBuliths Quincy said Mike wasn't very original but he was a great imitator.
Yep. he can't stand that MJ is the GOAT and overshadows his mediocre white legends (who are the real thieves)
@@MrBuliths You're one of those black men who jumps at the chance to back up a white man attacking another black man. Pathetic.
FACT: James inghram was coming from a studio recording with Angie Stone and Icaught him at a gas station and spoke with him for a good while. He stated that he used a bit a Bad Mama Jama on the bassline. He also said he was doing the bassline to Ya Mo Be There and Michael McDonald came in with the synth line.
The song “Thriller” is absolutely a major copy of “Give It To Me Baby” by Rick James. There is no question about that one.
Man, it's been too long since we see you pull out the bass guitar and show us what's up!!! Loved this video and loved see you jam on the bass. Need a few more songs that allow you to bring the bass into the story!!
Michael Jackson didn’t rip off anybody… he didn’t even write the damn song, so how could he have ripped someone off? Y’all just won’t let this man rest in peace…
Y’all whine too much
@@joshdaboss2365 lol, who is “Y’all”?
Carl Carlton performing "Bad Mama Jamma" live - th-cam.com/video/V8K5EYXGcvM/w-d-xo.html
8:30 In fact, out of these 12 notes if we're not talking jazz or blues, most songs only use 7 of them anyhow. Unless there's a keychange, but you get what I mean.
Out the seven scales we could use, we use mostly 2: major and minor.
I mean, that makes the selection much, much smaller than what is theorecticly possible with 12 notes.
Thank god, this is why we DJ music like this!
That mash up was great, and your bass playing is smooth. Inspiration on the Thriller album is everywhere but nowadays with sampling, interpolation it would be a legal minefield.
I just discovered this channel from this video and I have to say he read my mind from two different places. This is what I do in my life every day when I listen to things. Love this comparison and noticing how songs are similar plus adding the hidden trivia 🔥 Yesterday I was literally wondering if PYT was similar to anything and if MJ ever "borrowed" anyone else's riffs😏 So nice to see there's a channel that does this too 😃 instant follow for me. Well done sir⭐
Just give James his songwriting props. Yes this is what songwriters do. James Ingram you are loved!
THERE'S ONLY 12 NOTES but great shout to MOTOWNS GREAT CARL CARLTON!!!!!
I think due to trends in sounds and genres, many songs sound similar. The only MJ "rip" off is Horse With No Name. Other than that, I hear endless songs that remind me of another song due to a similar vibe or structure. Enjoyed the video and immediately recognized, "Bad Mama Mama. Thanks.
It's not blatant theft, it's the sonic sound and the inspiration of the time. Because if "stealing" is the case, then all big hair heavy metal of the 80s is stolen from each and every group.
Wasn't sure how I felt about the sponsored section, as it's not something I expect from this channel, but it actually did make me realise that I'd never considered an adjustable standing desk for my DJ setup and, now I am thinking about it, it's not a bad thing.
You make me happy! Your channel rates number one in my book. Keep the music flowing!