Did the Irish reach North America in the sixth century?
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- Did the Irish reach North America before the Vikings? This video examines the evidence.
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What is not mentioned here is that stones have been found in north America with Ogham alphabetic writing on them. Ogham is an ancient Irish Gaelic alphabet dating back to the 4th-6th century.
Exactly. I believe ancient jewellery linked to the time has been found not that long ago.
There was also a rune stone found in Minnesota that, for years, was the claim of the Norse having got there. It is a fake, but beware the "found" object without supporting science.
There is native American stories of 6ft redhead hairy men that were not of native American culture but spoke the languages by the puyute of the humbolt river area I believe this is them
Nahhh ... highly debatable... it's likely native American...similar to the Vikings were supposedly in Minnesota allegation based on the Kensington rune stone
The only people who could have written in Ogham were the Irish monks or somebody who was taught by the monks.
There were Irish monks known as the ‘papar’ that inhabited Iceland prior to the Norse.
Ah, knew you'd be mentioning The Voyage Of St. Brendan! 😊
Indeed! And if you haven't read it already, I would highly recommend Tim Severin's The Brendan Voyage. It's incredibly insightful.
@@calebhowells1116 I shall keep an eye out for it. I have a translation of the Voyage Of St Brendan account. Another stimulating video, keep up the good work! 👍
@@grahamturner1290 Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it! 😊
What is the source re: Viking account of Irish monks?
I highly recommend you collectively read Tim Severin - The Brendan Voyage, referred to by Caleb. It's a fascinating read. Tim also successfully completed other voyages which were considered mythical rather than historical. By completing these seemingly impossible voyages he provided us with the possibility that these so called myths, or fables were in fact, historically accurate accounts. Entertaining reads, he experienced and wrote of his experience.
What struck me when reading it, was how, ironically, he was almost killed in the little boat he built, based on St. Brendan's description, by a modern ship. The threats from the sea environment were much less. Interestingly, he commented on how other sea mammals accompanied the boat. He felt that they thought the boat was some kind of dolphin or whale, and how there must have been even more back in the 6th century accompanying the Brendan Voyage. Sad to say.
The Irish had been great seafarers , they had ocean going vessels in ancient times , never forget Ireland is an Island and Islanders had to be seafarers , how their ancestors reached Ireland ? There is a rich history about 30 m ( 100 feet ) vessels used in the 6th century and before for journeys to France Spain, England and so on . No question they could travel to north America .
In the Neaolithic ages there was no Irish sea or English Channel & North sea we were joined to Mainland Europe by what is now called Doggerland now under the North Sea you could reach the British Isles (Including Ireland) on FOOT the same way north America was settled in Neolithic times using the then landbridge between Alaska & Eastern Europe!! Sadly the bulk of Americans are not Taught Ancient History in Their Education System you have to go to Uni for that they are only concerned with (White) History since the late 1700's.
@@normanwallace7658 Ouch, bro! To be fair though, Ireland COULD be walked to.... back in the low water days, so people DID walk there and then inbred themselves when the water level rose back up again. BUT.... some dudes who wanted to get away from the B.S. could watch the paths of birds, or imagine the mystery of where the sun sets, or wonder where the wind comes from, or see the effects of a volcano erupting (Iceland) and then "know" there is "somewhere" to go to. Walrus-skin boats CAN cross the North Atlantic, but you have to pull them out and camp at night on ice floes and do repairs and make adjustments. There is a ton of meat to eat along the way also hanging out around the ice floe islands where everyone has to sleep at night. It could be done in a skin boat, so it probably was done..... by adventurous young men, who have always explored and discovered everything about the world, and everything else for that matter. They didn't go back and share their knowledge, because why would you?
Northern Irish built the Titanic they where always some master ship builders.
@@brandonlashbrook6892 Do you mean the same TITANIC that is lying at the bottom of the ocean because of a little ice?
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We reached it in about 600bc too. Although to be fair, we were more Celt/Iberian back then.
I'm not aware of any evidence of that, but I certainly wouldn't discount it out of hand.
Absolutely possible. I wonder if many of the people in America are descendants of pre columbian ancestors
Philip Beale proved the Phoenicians could have made the voyage in a 600-500bc ship. "Phoenicians Before Columbus"
"Phoenicia Rocks" "Atlantic bc"
@@calebhowells1116this story is linked to a basque story that they encountered each other in the mid Atlantic wgile they were fishing
@@YerMawIsMySeggstoythe irish are basque people lol neolithic people from Spain and celtic not a race came from Middle East they moved across the world
Early north European fishermen are known to have ventured as far as the Grand Banks.
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Certainly got to Iceland before the Norsemen. Maybe Greenland too ?
The Phoenicians are supposed to have also reached America in antiquity, long before the Vikings and St. Brendan and his crew of fellow monks.
Except we don't have even written accounts of such a journey ever undertaken by the phonecians.
@@alangervasiswhat about the Michigan copper ingots found in the shipwrecks of the Phoenicians in The Mediterranean? And if you want a written record there is The Book of Mormon.
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The Phoenician may have visited or lived in Ireland, as they visited the South coast of England.
Ireland was discovered by Native Americans and settled by them.
Well that's certainly true by definition, given that they are *Native* Americans.
@@calebhowells1116 IRELAND? I mean that’s the hypothesis I’m putting forth. But I had no idea this was an accepted fact of History.
@@fortium1025 Sorry, I misread your comment! I thought you said that America was discovered by Native Americans.
Regarding Ireland, I'm not aware of any evidence that Native Americans travelled there. What is the basis for your hypothesis?
But they can hold their firewater. So you speak with forked tongue.
@@fortium1025 I doubt it.
Very convincing argument. I have read the Tim Severin account and would recommend it. A much different version from that of Christy Moore.
Very convincing!
I’m glad you thought so!
The language of the Duhare tribe was allegedly similar to Irish Gaelic.
That’s very interesting. Thanks for commenting!
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No linguistic proof of celts being mixed in with the natives has been found.
God good what nonsense
The Vikings did like to rob Irish monasteries.
until archaeologists start considering "stories" like native american lore, celtic tales, the bible.... this will all just remain a nice story. i hope as we become more aware of our roots that stories will be discouvered as reality.
You would think there would be some kind of account of any early Irish monks in North America by the indigenous peoples. There is some evidence in New England with unexplained stoneworked areas and structures that may be Celtic influenced.
To be fair, I don't think there are any indigenous accounts of the Vikings arriving, and yet we know for a certainly that they did arrive there.
Unfortunately the European new arrivals have over the past two century's spent more time trying to iradicate the Indigenous tribes for greedy financial gain rather than showing any interest in the origins & history of the Indiginous peoples & done thier best to iradicate Americas true History & the moneyteristic Government still continues to pay lip service rather than investigate America's true wealth??
Stones with ancient Ogham Irish Gaelic alphabet (4TH-6TH century) letters on them have been found
Very interesting. Is there also any evidence that Madoc went to America in 562AD?
Who is madoc?
@@mehmet8893 Welsh Prince
thanks
No,Madog went to America centuries later in 1170.
@@cymro6537 are you familiar with the work of Wilson and Blackett? Their book "the King Arthur Conspiracy" in particular proposes that the Madoc of myth lived in the 6th century, was from Morganwg and a brother of King Arthur aka Athruis ap Meurig.
It is already know in the Faroe islands were first discovered by the Ireland, for on the Faroe islands they had a stamp to recall this last year or the year before.
When the Vikings arrived later they were told of the land in the West by the early Irish settlers, and the same thing happened with Iceland, with the arrived there first and then the Vikings later arrived and were told of the great land in the West (America)
Columbus was in Galway, Ireland a long time later to find out more of this voyage to the New World, he took a different root thought he has over sailed and thinking he had landed in India, later the name of The West Indies was given to the group of islands.
I'm from the northeastern US, and I think that some people from the British Isles or Europe were here a long time ago. Way before St. Brendan's time.
You see, there are ruins in this part of America, mostly hidden deep in the woods, that are unlike anything in other parts of the Americas. They are strikingly similar to things found across the Atlantic.
We have standing stones, we have stone structures, we have dolmans, we have mounds. But, none of these have ever really been studied. None have been dated. These things were already here when the first colonists came, and when asked,the local tribes said they didn't make them.
I've been coming across these places since I was a kid, but only as an adult watching British archaeological shows, did I see the similarities in construction. It's so obvious.
Could you name or pinpoint any of these places
Ah, that's the Red Paint Peoples... Originally came up from Iberia into France, Denmark and Ireland. So, you could say that the Irish even beat St. Brendan to it!
@@ancientbuilds3764 aren't the red paint peoples actually neanderthals and hybrids that lived through the younger dryas by using red ochre to protect themselves from the solar flares and UV radiation?
Check out Soloutrean migrations
...because native people in Massachusetts were unable to pile up rocks around a small cave or hole and build a place to store corn, gear, etc. Yes Thor Heyerdahl, it must have been the superior Europeans who sailed there in a crude boat, that's more likely. No seriously, that theory was debunked by legitimate anthropologists / archeologists in the 1950's. It's actually considered quite racist.
Is there a reason that this video has skyrocketed in views recently? Was it posted on some popular website or something?
such is the way of the youtube algorithm. doesn't have to be any other reason. btw. according to wilson/brackett, the welsh also went to north america in the 6th century...a couple decades earlier, I believe.
I’m canadian of Irish descent on both sides. This is fascinating
@@meatsaxs5203 I'm glad you found it fascinating!
I think that he did make it to North America , totally plausible and the written account matches exactly what you'd see if you made the same journey
Very insightful. The Phoenicians sold tobacco and cocaine to the Egyptians 4,000 years ago.
They also provided Cedar wood.
Have you seen the Celtic Ogham in Appalachia?
I have not! But that certainly sounds like it would lend credence to this theory.
Do you have any information or links on the topic
highly skeptical...likely native American
Where did you find accounts of the Norse meeting Irish monks in North America? You would think it would be mentioned in the sagas or christin scriptures.
Stop
because there ARE no such accounts, Mr Blue, you are absolutely right
There are written accounts, The Navigatio provides information on the voyage by Brendan the Navigator, Tim Severin used it as a guide.
Interesting as st brendan is said to have followed the 'voyage of the teyrn'. With the teyrn being the high king of britain its exciting to think what our welsh/british forefathers acheived!
That claim originates with Arthurian researchers Wilson and Blackett. I have never been able to find such a statement myself. However, what is interesting is that the guide who took Arthur to 'Avalon' was said to have been St Barinthus, and it is this exact same figure who tells Brendan of the mysterious land across the ocean (i.e. America) in the Voyage of St Brendan. So I do think that there was likely a connection between the two voyages, although Brendan's probably occurred first.
@@calebhowells1116 we'll have to find the primary reference, but i've no doubt wilson and blackett are right, as the 'teyrn' is the british monarch. This tells me that it was the british who got there first. But as you say we need to find the reference to make it rock solid😉
Prince Madog’s voyage to the new world was used by Elisabeth I as justification for claiming sovereignty over all of North America was it not? But great to know our Celtic cousins made it there too and not surprised this great achievement was never recognised.
There were Irish High Kings and some of their lands stretched over to Britain. Never heard of a British High King
@@seanochroidheain6687 Arthur was referred to as the ‘Primo Thalmus ‘ of Britain by a Papal emissary I believe? He was also mentioned many times in the Mabinogion as the high king of Britain and appears in many of our ancient tales..The Arth (or bear) has always been a Brythonic hero to us over the centuries .To pay teyrngerdd to such a King would have been the order of the day.
Have you thought about examining the story of the Coelbrin,?
Do you mean the Coelbren alphabet?
@@calebhowells1116 I was half asleep when I made that comment. No, the Kolbrin which allegedly came from the MiqMaqs who also allegedly spoke a form of Welsh. It's a very contentious subject with a lot of dodgy actors involved. Essentially the claim is that copper mining was done in America to supply the bronze of Europe and involved the Basque and " Welsh".The Kolbrin is supposed to be a record of ancient contacts between Europe? Egypt and the Americas.I've read some: it's interesting to say the least.
Your 'island hopping' theory is all dependant on the assumption that the Celts knew the Atlantic was void of other islands. The fact is that the Celts (and others) knew absolutely that over the horizon were a plurality of islands and the Otherworld (an ancient concept) was populated with all manner of inhabitants. The sailors at the time sailed without maps and had no concept of the North Atlantic's shape. And, importantly, the Voyages of St Brendan are a compendium of earlier stories of a similar nature. This is the Immram literature of Old Irish. The evidence for this collected-stories blended into one (St Brendan) is overwhelming.
Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, we actually know from Gildas that the western ocean was viewed as unnavigable in the sixth century. So, yes, island hopping *around* the western ocean actually makes perfect sense with what we know.
It's true that the Celts had a concept of the Otherworld as an island far in the western ocean. But that does not mean that they believed you could just sail right to it, straight across the ocean.
We know that the story of Brendan's voyage has been around since at least the eighth century, just two centuries after his lifetime. It's true that many scholars like to use later medieval Irish material to try to reconstruct what legends may have existed in ancient Ireland, but such work is highly speculative. It may be, in fact, that those other 'mythological' style legends actually come from the historical discoveries of Brendan, rather than the story of Brendan coming from those stories blended together.
@@calebhowells1116 Being unnavigable means what? People had been sailing all along Europe's western coasts for a considerable time before the Brendan epic. Being unnavigable means boats cannot survive in dangerous waters. That is simply not the case. They may have gone out and got lost or been sunk by storms, but a huge area without obstructions is not unnavigable. :)
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I'm sure lots of our European ancestors did manage to reach America, including the vikings. However the groups that would have went and stayed would have been small. One to two boths max. Small groups would have either died out over there or assimilated themselves into the local population. None of these voyages would have been recorded bar by educated monks like you refer to in your video.
We know that the Vikings were able to maintain a settlement and record their journey, so why couldn’t the Irish?
The answer to your question is "No". But they could have reached Iceland, in skin boats (Currachs), after a sustained volcanic eruption that showed them that there was a place to reach, how far away it was, and in what direction. Inspired/driven monks could do it. Giant plumes of smoke and ash are easy trail-markers to follow. And Eskimo/Inuit people have paddled to Scotland and Ireland historically in kayaks from Greenland. They are the source of the "silkie" legends.....people who can turn into seals and vice-versa. Bottom line is that the first people in the Americas came from Asia, and across the Pacific using boats, possibly before the last ice-age. Ironically, the words "Currach" (skin boat stretched over a wooden frame) and "Kayak" (skin boat stretched over a wooden frame) stem from the same ancestral word dating back to deep antiquity, so that's pretty interesting, right? How is that possible?
It's a fact they were in Iceland first where several place-names refer to them. I was told this by an Icelander in 1970.
@@daraorourke5798 I'm pretty sure that I've read that when the Norse arrived in Iceland, Irish monks were already there. But as for the Irish reaching the American shore, nobody knows. It's not impossible. It would've been a great adventure. There are true accounts of red-headed Eskimos, but that could have come from later-day whalers. There are also a large body of Algonkin legends that seem as if derived from Indo European myths.....so that could be a clue about anonymous, unrecorded contacts with European peoples. But whether that comes from the Greenland Norse or from other earlier contacts,....that's up for grabs to be discovered.
I think it was mostly one way. Do you have any evidence of eskimos in Ireland arriving on kayaks?...
@@artseosamhogriobhta Scotland and the Faroes, yes. It's a pretty major, undiscussed reality. They didn't colonize, but men and women both arrived in skin kayaks.
@@zipperpillow No source, no?
So I have Google Earth installed on my phone, but the app is hidden!! lol They might have reached N America but they need to leave or be American!
I HOPE NOT.
WHY???
I suppose the native Americans or at the time Asians got their first
I wonder. Is there ANY, and I say ANY proof whatsoever to substantiate the delusional propositions in this column??
Hi, thank you for commenting! Did you watch the video? 🙂
Clovis Age Europeans
Read manuscripts for what they are. Legends
All ancient documents were written on manuscripts. How do you decide which ones are legends and which ones are legitimate historical accounts?
You study history and historical methodology
@@janjordal9451 Indeed, and I have spent years doing that. :) One can only determine whether a record describes real events or not by looking at the source in question and comparing it with the facts.
No , cos the brits wud hv buried that story altogether
There were people in North America for around 30,000 years before any of this possibly happened.
Hogwash!!
What in particular do you find unconvincing about the specific points mentioned in the video?
@@calebhowells1116 No archeology.L'ans aux meadows is proof enough for me. Vikings 1st. Longship well suited for the journey. Wouldnt fancy the voyage in a coracle.
@@PortmanRd Tim Severin demonstrated that it was possible to make the journey in an Irish curragh.
Regarding archaeological evidence for the journey, apart from the evidence discussed in this video, that's certainly something that needs investigating! But there are some undated cross carvings at certain locations (I don't remember where) that might be traces of it.
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