Can a Creality Ender 3 Print as good as Bambulab P1S
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- Chuck tries to get the Original Creality Ender 3 Pro print quality to match the Bambulab P1S.
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Some people seem confused here. His point is that you can get really good prints even on an inexpensive machine. Bambu is great, I love my Bambu printers. But what they offer is ease of use and convenience. You can get great prints on even cheap printers with a bit of tuning.
You get it. Thanks for watching.
My point is that it's a "cheap shot" to compare the Ender to a P1S using a ridiculous test cube as the "equalizer" and basically "gaslighting" the amazing ability (comparatively) of the P1S when looking at the complete performance envelope. It's just not an honest presentation of the value of the P1S if the only real talking point is the difference in cost. There's a reason they're so cheap. It comes across as a feeble marketing push to get rid of inventory.
@@ChrisTietjen_00 You didn't get it.
@@tomthebadasscat You mean the check from Creality? No I didn't get it!
I bought an Ender 3 6 Years ago and a p1s 6 montas ago. I still use my stock Ender 3 to Print small parts un pla and the bambu for final parts that are large or that are Made with tecnical materials like carbon fiber, nylon, abs
I'm a strong supporter of starting out with a printer "kit". The Ender 3 is a nice balance of price, ease of assembly, and relatively easy start-up. There's the advantage of it having one of the biggest communities, if not the biggest community using it; there's always someone you can ask questions of.
It's a great tinkerer's platform, a good learning platform, and a good place to start before diving into a more expensive platform.
Unless I didn't catch it Chuck, you missed (for me) a major selling point of the Ender 3. It's completely open source. You can go to Creality for spares but you don't have to. I've been running my (almost) stock E3 for over 4 years. I print on a cheap Garulite surface with Aquanet and it seems like it's never going to wear out. I bought a $12 third party all metal extruder that has worked perfectly over the years and that's pretty much it. I can't count the spools of filament that have been through this printer. There's a lot of printer manufacturers out there that neglect their old machines but the E3 has a wealth of spares and support the world over. You could build an E3 yourself without a single Creality part in the build. It's a great design.
Chuck your profiles are the BEST!! Bay far....I tell everyone if you want faster prints without sacrificing quality, get your profiles. They have changed my printing forever!!
I started out on and Ender 3 Pro 3 years ago. Solid printer, learned a lot about printing. Printed over 20Kgs of Prints over that time. Over the holiday last year I upgraded to a P1S and haven't looked back. I have over 700 hours of prints on it now without any issues.
It's a nice next level upgrade.
I almost bought a P1P. had it in my cart. Then I started thinking of closed parts and firmware on the bamboo. I decided to pick up used creality machines and give them the TH3D parts and firmware upgrade. My original Ender 3 Pro I bought as a refurb unit 4 years ago is still pumping out ABS parts for our business sitting it its plywood box.
Thanks Chuck!!
Simply put a gold plated car can get you down the road just like a rusty old car.
Might take longer and more effort with the rusty one but it will get you there! Life is about the Journey!
I think the P1S is a great printer and I love the AMS - But my Ender's handle my TPU and solid color prints LIKE A BOSS. With your Profiles as my foundation since 2019!
Hi Chuck - well... it is not just the slicer. I would safely state that the whole experience of taking a Bambu out of the box, open Bambu Slicer - and doing nothing at all - they will get immediate excellent results. A 1st time new-to-3D-printing users very often won't assemble and adjust an Ender 3 properly: the bed will be wobbly, eccentric nuts will be too tight or too wobbly... Not to mention bedleveling. My biggest concern about printers that do "everything" is that people will learn less - a lot less - and that's sad. About learning, we agree: there is a LOT to learn from an Ender, as a first machine. EDIT: I need to point out that in some countries, like Brazil, there are HUGE 3D Printing communities, but they CANNOT afford much more than an Ender 3... so, it will continue to sell A LOT. In this sense, there are better machines to buy if you are on a budget: an ELEGOO Neptune 4 gives so much more than an Ender 3, and it is only a little bit more expensive. There are plenty of better options for people on a budget. PS: love your channel, I like you a lot 😀
I didn’t recommend the Ender 3 here just recognizing it’s still being bought at 2000+ per month and helping them get the most out of it.
@@FilamentFriday When did you ever not recommend any of the Creality printers over other brands? When was the last time you didn't talk about Creality printers and compared them to other brands?
The last one was only a few videos ago. And it was the P1S. Need to watch more. th-cam.com/video/nVsZ6dmBrnI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OOlCar_M67PMB70c
@@FilamentFriday it was a knock at the P1S rather than just talking about it. You have more videos on Creality printers + sponsorships from them more than any other printer. Maybe you should watch your videos more.
You could just be transparent about it but you took the route of pleading ignorance when people point that out.
@@FilamentFridayDon’t worry Chuck, you’ve been doing such a valuable teachings on YT. I think there is a Bambu “cult” growing, as if no other printers are worth anything - which is silly. My critic to this video is related to one of the first sentences you said in this video: “it’s all in software, in the slicer”. And that I don’t agree. A P1S comes completely adjusted out of the box… and if you buy an Ender 3 kit, you could get a decent printer but only if you really know all the steps to completely adjust it properly - mechanically speaking, even before you tackle slicing settings.
Bambus are excellent products, it is not just fluffiness - there is actual value and quality there.
Lastly, lots of Bambu owners are behaving in a hateful way… they’ve been shaming anyone that didn’t or couldn’t buy a Bambu - as it was a stupid decision to buy anything else. This has to stop. Even more when their justification is “you don’t need to learn and master - Bambu has it all figured out”. Cheering ignorance is the worst.
Chuck, I wanna thank you for all the Ender 3 Pro videos you made, you helped me get started with my first printer, an Ender 3 Pro, 4 years ago. I ended up modifying the heck out of that thing before I decided I wanted something that just works right out the box... so I got an Ender 3 V3 SE for the same price I paid for my Ender 3 Pro when it was new. Such an upgrade.
As someone who started 3d printing when the Anet A6 first released, way before the ender 3, the Anet only worked for 3-4 prints and then I couldn't make it work anymore. I upgraded to Ender 3 later and finally I could print something, but truth is, I've spent way too many hours just trying to make it work, unclogging the hotend, changing failing PSU, motherboard, drivers, extruder gears etc, the ratio was one successful large print // one part failure // one complete re-calibration. The Bambu lab is garantie to work for many, many prints without hassle and will give unmatched quality prints out of the box, saving you a lot of time and money in the end.
Great video! I have 2 Ender 3’s and I have GREATLY upgraded and fine tuned both mine and I’m getting near resin like quality. I love my little machines
I agree you can get really good prints with the ender 3 however you also have to factor in the build quality and amount of faff that comes with it. For me I had a warped bed that was a nightmare to level. This was actually coupled with the uprights not being cut level so even getting the frame square was difficult. I can't even count the number of times I had to reassemble the ender 3. My thoughts are if you are interested in tinkering with the machine a lot (which is fun to begin with) the ender is great and cheap but if you want to jump in and just get printing then other more expensive options are probably better if you can afford.
Much expected! Thanks for this video.
I still love my Ender 3 pro after 2 1/2 years.
Why not compare the ender 3 with the A1 Mini?
Those fall almost in the same price range.
I have an Ender 3, I like it and I have modified, repair and upgraded it. But, I would totally recommend a beginner to use a Bambu A1 mini.
Because if he compared it to A1 mini, his money argument would be a very tough sell
A1 mini is much smaller footprint. A1 was the logical choice but those are all recalled.
To get similar quality to a $700 printer is worth showing to those who could only afford a sub $200 printer.
This would have been a better comparison, p1s is like asking to you want the Corolla or the Supra,
Great video, people ask me all the time which printer to get as their intro into 3DP, I always ask what is their budget, what do they want to print, and are they a tinkerer? I started on an Ender3 back in 2018 and it carried me through until I bought my first Prusa. The Ender3 was a great printer as it taught me pretty much everything on troubleshooting a printer. The Prusa (ended up buying 2) was my work horse printers until I got my P1P, the corexy platform changed everything for me. I saved some money and sold my Prusas to get 2 P1S.
Thanks for everything you do, Chuck! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I love my V3 SE so much, i bought 2!
One thing I have noticed is there is a HUGE amount of "brag factor" in 3d printing. Far too often I hear people say, or see them write, about what is the "best" printer for nothing more than "I'm better than you because I have this thing" and very little actual reasons on why it is truly better. Better is subjective. Just like with cars there is no perfect solution. A 25 year old honda civic with worn shocks could actually be a better choice for commuting in stop and go traffic than a $300000 lambo. It all depends on your needs. You can bang a nail in just effectively with a rock you find for free in your garden than a $100 name branded hammer. Most people just won't be impressed with you not spending money. I'm also amazed that so many people will spend so much on a printer and they only ever seem to print benchys. They don't really seem to do anything with their printers other than brag about "Look how fast I can print this thing".
*Thank you.*
I actually built my first and second 3D printer, and there was a lot of things I learned from building and tweaking them. That was what I wanted though, and I went into it knowing at the time 3D printing at home was a tinker's thing. I think that is a consideration however too, if you don't want to tinker and you just want it to work the Bambu printers will do that, but you are going to pay the premium for it. I do however agree, if you are willing to put a little tinker time into them the Creality and clones can make some really good prints. I would just say temper the expectation of what time you are going to need to put into it in the tuning time.
All of that above said, tinkering and figuring it out will bring with it a lot of learning. The 3D printing community will help a lot too in the journey. I'd almost compare it to Apple vs Android.
Ender 3 is a great printer. I'm using the P1S now, but used Ender 3 for years and was very happy with it.
I bought an ender 3...then a refurb enter 3, then a Voxelab Aquillo.... I didn't understand how much I learned dealing with those three essentially same printers. All three vary by different things, but everything I learned from one has applied to the others.
I put myself on the Prusa XL waiting list early, so early that by the time it was ready to roll out 2 years later, I was almost to the point of cancelling just because I was tired of waiting. The few little issues i've had (almost entirely filament or stupid user based), have all been diagnosed based on what I learned on the $500 spent on those original 3 printers. $500 spent used to learn to utilized a $2500 printer down the road. The choice of schools to use that as a low cost entry point is a good one.
Was this the beagle camera? how does this work for you? Do you have a video?
the more printer the better.
i recently got the p1s to replace my modified ender 3 but now they running both at the same time if i can split it up.
if i had to buy a print setup today and got the space i would go for multiple (modified) enders than one p1s
Well said. I have had my Ender 3 Pro for like 5 years now and only done very minimal maintenance, and only upgraded the bed and Bowden tube. I said I would upgrade to the Bamboo once the Ender 3 stops working, but sadly I don’t think that will ever happen!
I learned a lot from Chuck (THANKS!) and it was folks like him that got me into 3D Printing. I have an original Ender 3 from years back. However, things got... excessive (lol). I followed Chuck's tips and with his help I was able to tweak my Ender to produce "good" prints. But then I became obsessed in getting the "perfect print". Now granted I learned a lot and had a lot of fun tweaking and upgrading the Ender. But I rarely used it for projects, it was always calibration prints. I've printed hundreds of calibration test models but only about 4-5 actual models. A couple of cases for my MisterFPGA board, the Buck Rogers Starfighter and some other knick-knacks.
There are a few differences between the Ender3 and the Ender Pro. The wider Y axis extrusion is one major difference. The Pro also comes with a magnetic bed and a removable flexible print surface. The non-Pro has the same print surface glued to the bed. Also the Pro always came with the 32 bit board, the non-pro originally had and 8 bit board, but Creality stopped shipping those 8 bit boards as soon as they could make enough 32 bit boards (the parts shortage during the pandemic doomed the 8 bit board). Finally, the Pro came with a UL approved Meanwell power supply, the non-pro unit came with a cheaper supply Chinese made unit. Creality would latter have its own power supplies certified by UL, and then they stopped buying them from Meanwell. I think the extruder units in the Pro well a little better made, with heat set inserts in the plastic, and better injection molded parts. My Ender 3 Pro hasn't had a failure of the extruder, many Ender 3 owners have replaced their plastic extruders with metal ones.
I've upgraded mine to an E3D Revo CR hot end, and have added a WhamBamm flex metal build surface with PEX (whambam's own PEI formula). I'll probably add a Raspberry Pi Zero 2W and run klipper on it. I will pan on moving the electronics and power supply under the printer by raising it up using skirts from the Voron Switchwire Ender 3 conversion. I also might mod it to use the Voron Stealth burner toolhead, and replace the extruder with a Voron M4 dual gear drive unit. I will keep the V wheels, they work fine for this printer.
I did buy a basket case Ender 3 Pro off Ebay for under $80, and I'm converting that to a Voron switchwire. It will serve as a test bed for klipper. My current Ender 3 Pro is printing the parts for the Switchwire conversion. I moved that printer into a closet and put a cardboard box around it to act as an enclosure. It now prints ABS perfectly, with no warping, and no layer separation. Stock software and stock Prusa slicer settings (using Voron recommended settings for layers, walls, and infill).
I tried to install the 0.28. Thangs says it is 0.28, but the profile comes up at 0.2. Is the only change I need to do is to change layer height to 0.28, or are there other changes needed also? Thank you.
If I have a cr-10 v2 will these profiles work as long as I change the bed size?
Could you please send me the link to the creality ender 3 upgrade package? The link in the video doesn't work. Thanks
I need to start printing more. I have a lot of parts to print and when it really comes down to it, the slicer program is important based on the capabilities on the printer like speed.
Thanks CHEP.
my ender 3 has given me so many headaches (even with a boat load of 'upgrades') that I totally recommend saving up for a more quality unit than wasting money on upgrades
Hello! Is there a big loss in strength due to the high printing speed of bamboo? If we are limited to 40 mm/s for PA6, so the acceleration path of ender and bamboo will not be affected significantly.
I haven’t seen any issues with strength.
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How did you know UPS just delivered my P1S and that I have an Ender 3 Pro as well?
My field is computers and programming rather than 3D printers, but it's basically the same. To learn programming, a 10-year-old computer is just as good as a modern one. The original idea of the Raspberry Pi project was to create a cheap platform for students to learn programming. The first Pi didn't have anywhere near the power of the PCs of the time, but it was enough to learn the basics of programming and the GPIO pins were a great way to tinker with hardware.
I have uses an Ender3 v1 since they went to silent stepper drives. I did a few changes, duel z motors with belt connect, BL touch, and the latest Professional software and Sprite extruder. I wish I could get my Sermoon D1 to print like the Ender3. It prints worst with Sonic pad and klipper. The bed mesh is great.
I watch this when it came out and was shocked with the vitriol of some comments. I do 3d printing for fun starting off with an Ender-3 Pro and still run a newer version. When I got started the $200 was a big deal and it might be for someone starting today. I think the point of video is that it may not be as slick as more expensive printer, but for someone just interested in trying 3D printing or doesn't have the money an Ender-3 is not a bad thing. This is of course if you know the issues you can be facing but even then there is a lot of people will to help if you ask. The profiles are a big help and will make a difference on a stock Ender. I am even using them on a CR-10s pro V2.
If someone has the money for a $600 printer, hey go for it. Not everyone does. Even now that I can pull together $600 if I wanted, I would really be looking at getting a couple newer version Ender-3s. Being odd, I rather have redundent printers than one that is more expensive and I don't need speed to enjoy 3d printing.
Bambu brings more than speed to printing, it's also precision which is why everyone compares to them. Creality K1C is comparable to the X1C on paper, but I would only use a K1C if I got it for free.
Oi Chep,i'm thinking to buy an ender3v3ke to print TPU/PLAFLEX,do you consider this machine a good choice?Thanks
I like the bones Ender 3 V3 better. I haven’t test TPU on either though.
I've printed TPU on my Ender 3 V2, even with a Bowden setup (just reduced the speed down to 20mm/sec), so it's not the impossible task that many would have you believe. I have a direct drive now, so now I can go a bit faster (I think I do 40mm/sec). I don't have any other printers to compare it to, but it will certainly work. I can't imagine that the v3 would have done anything to mess up the ability to print TPU.
Use of use, convenience, and speed would all be very useful for a small high school environment. I don't really want the students mucking about with the height and tuning themselves as more likely to put it out than tune it right. In that case is P1S a better option?
P1S is way better for high school students. They'll get the idea of what's possible and will potentially see it as a part of their future. Without the speed, auto leveling and general precision of the P1S the 3d printing future looks pretty lame. The Ender 3 is too far back in the 3d printer timeline. I'd even go so far as to say the "bed slinger" format is hitting the twilight.
@@ChrisTietjen_00 thank you!
Sure, and your idea of math education is that you just teach students how to use a calculator and not the basics of math.
You should learn the basics first. What if your great $700 printer is broken and you have to fix it? What gives you the confidence and knowledge to do the repair?
@@andreas.grundlerinstant gratification with no effort is the way the world is becoming... very sad
I just added a sprite extruder, pei bed, and enclosure tent, to my stock ender 3. I'm very happy because I can print in my shed in winter, easily remove the parts from the pei bed, swap out filaments quickly, print tpu material, and overall super reliable. I improved my print speeds significantly using custom cura profiles. I might add a ceramic hotend to allow greater print speeds by extruding out more filament faster and without heating difficulties.
Still using a modified ender 3 pro. Don't regret it. Not sure I'd get one now if I didn't already have it. But I get its a cheap way into the hobby where you can learn alot. i.e. whats happening if it goes wrong, get to know how much you use the machine after.
But would absolutely love those fast print times on the bambu (probably not enough for me to personally justify the price point, I don't print as often as I used to.)
4+ years rocking an Ender 3 Pro, the only "upgrade" I really recommend is a 12V 80mm PC fan for the heatsink and maybe a 5015 12V blower fan for layer cooling, the original 40mm fans are really bad. I also use the "Petsfang" cooler with direct drive conversion.
I remember a problem with the fan on the printer board, like you need to switch the port to keep it always on.
The Ender 3 community is something else, like this channel that help so many people to start printing.
Thanks! ❤
Which version of Cura are those profiles for? I assume PLA? Except the one that is labeled TPU, of course.
5.0+
PLA, you'll just need to adjust retraction settings per your printer. Last I checked the default retraction was for a Bowden tube setup in the profiles unless they have changed since he reviewed the V3. I just used the TPU setting on my Microswiss direct drive ender 3... It was glorious. No stringing and printed a rubber ducky in half the time of my previous setting. Felt like magic!
I got a ender 3v2 as my first printer. Im now on a anycubic koba plus. Bigger printing bed. There cheap and with chep's profiles i have had perfect prints. I also tuned the printer as well. Definitely worth getting the cheaper ones if you're just starting out or dont have the money to spend on the big ones.
I want to see a 1000x1000x1000mm bambu labs. When is the p1s xl coming? Great videos to lots of information in here
I would say this Summer or Q4 expect something of that nature
"It's not really the printer". In fact, it is all about the printer - but by that I mean you, the operator behind the machine.
What are your thoughts on the sonic pad for the ender 3 printers?
I tried it and didn’t have much success.
@@FilamentFriday thank you for being honest!
It's not about which one could print better, an Ender (and I have one... As two other Anycubic Mega i3) it's a tinkerer machine, which means you have to keep "fixing it" to keep it printing good, the Bambu has so many sensors and it (almost) full metal that it can keeps printing without any "fix"
My journey with the Ender 3 printers has been a series of transformative upgrades. Initially, addressing the weak fan was crucial for maintaining optimal cooling during long prints. Next, recognizing the limitations of the default magnetic bed sheet, I upgraded to a textured PEI surface for more reliable adhesion. Swapping the Bowden tube for an all-metal hot end eliminated worries about potential breakdowns, ensuring consistent performance over time. Transitioning to a direct drive setup with a printable bracket further enhanced print quality and reliability. Upgrading to the SKR Mini motherboard provided a significant boost in functionality and control. Lastly, constructing an enclosure helped create a stable printing environment for consistent results.
These modifications have made my Ender 3 printers indispensable assets to my business over the past four years. Previously, printing ABS was a challenge due to unreliable extrusion, but discovering the bambu printer changed everything. Now, with the bambu printer, my 4 unit Ender 3 printers have become redundant, as one bambu-equipped printer can handle all my printing needs efficiently.
Addressing the weak fan and upgrading various components have truly unlocked the full potential of the Ender 3. I'm incredibly grateful for the reliability and versatility these upgrades have brought to my business. In fact, I'm in the process of purchasing another printer to further expand my operations. The journey with the Ender 3 has been rewarding, and I'm excited to see where it takes me next
Another thing worth mentioning is that the V-wheels on the Ender 3 can develop bumps if left unused for an extended period. You can feel these bumps when manually moving the gantry or bed by hand.
As one of the “poors”, I’d rather buy a $200 printer, learn to print and start printing and still be able to buy groceries, mortgage, gas etc. Can the Bambu do a better job? Sure, but that’s not the point of the video. Lower cost of entry means more of the public will be able to try out 3D printing, which I think is a good thing.
There are way better machines than the Ender 3 for around the $200 price point now.
The bambu a1 mini is $299. Having gone through the "ender journey" myself, I'd get the a1 mini if buying today. And if it means saving a bit longer to keep the priorities straight, that's fine. Also, as @krunchy3761 pointed out, there's better options for $200. Check out the 3d printing subreddit. There's a great printer "tier list".
@@krunchy3761 Yeah. You can get a Voxelab Aquilla S3 (Ender 3 clone) that includes mesh leveling, direct feed extruder, and a touch interface for $179(Amazon). I'd rather go with that any day over an Ender 3. But if I was buying a new 3D printer today, I'd probably go with an Elegoo Neptune 4 for $229 instead. I'm just proving your point.
I have 2 idex and an ender 3 pro. After a dual z an all metal extruder a silent board silicone bed bushings a pei plate a glass plate a a ceramic hot end and a sprite extruder my modded ender 3 is pretty awesome and the only printer i use anymore
I totally agree building and setting up a 3d printer is the best way to understand a 3d printer, bambu printers are nice but if it breaks down and it will that beginner is going to get very frustrated
because they dont understand there printer bambu is trying to make a 3d printer an appliance and it is not that and i think will never be that so anyone getting in to 3d printing needs to learn how to fix it and run it, i think everyone should build a 3d printer so they see how it works.
If it breaks down you talk to support which will promptly help you fix it. In sharp contrast to Creality that will do their best to avoid you.
I'e very much loved my Ender 3 Pro, which I've upgraded several times. I saw that there was likely to be some issues though, and decided to pick up one of the v3 SE printers, and yes I found it for $40 off or $179. My only complaint is that it's louder than I've gotten used to with the Ender 3 Pro over the past few years. That said, it's not as loud as the K1, which even after replacing the extruder is printing garbabe these days. It was beautiful as a printer initially, but yeah, not doing so well now.
And the K1 will get pulled and replaced with the CR10 that I have waiting, as I would like to be able to make larger prints.
I started with the Ender 3 s1. Now I have both an Ender 3 s1 and the Bambu labs P1S with AMS for Multi-color Capability. I still use love my Ender but it can't compare to the Bambu Labs
I bought my first 3d printer approx 7 years ago. The ideas in the start of this video are true when i got an ender 3 and true even today. Paying 700 or more is expensive for your first machine. You may not like it or cant really find a reason to use it. I stillnise my ender 3 and 5 today as i did when i first got them. Its unfortunate that most videos today relate to the 700 plus machines.
I still love my original Ender 3, Its gathering dust but can't bring myself to sell it , ohh the days of at 50mm / Sec. print speeds (wonder how it would go on Klipper :) ) . I think I would go crazy at those print speeds today.
have you figured out where the glue goes!
Yep. In the trash. Use a textured PEI BED instead.
lol well played
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I have a Creality CR-20, its basically an ender 3. I can't get good prints on it and most of my long prints I have to stop because of some issue or another. That printer turned me off from printing. Fiddeling with settings in Cura, using Cheps profiles. I just can't seem to get that printer accurate or to preform as I want it to. Haven't used it in some years now. Collects dust. Bambu Lab have me interested again. Plug & Play. No tinkering, if TH-cam is to be belived. Creality printers on the other hand.... The first thing you should do with it seems to be printing upgrades for it and change out parts.
Yea youtube does make it seem like Bambu printers are plug and play. But looking at their reddit communities it isn't. You'll still run into conflicting slicer settings, incorrect tension, temp, retraction, etc. Keep in mind the people that are speed running benchys out-of-the-box are likely just using the custom-tuned benchy gcode that comes shipped (afaik) or on their software suite. I agree with CHEP, the printer is the "dumb" part, the software/slicer is the smart one.
I think your CR-20 can have comparable performance with less than 50usd worth of upgrades and maybe 1 or 2 hours of work :) Take a look into what Klipper firmware has done for bed slingers. Heck, an Ender 3 holds the WR for the fastest benchy. CNC kitchen still uses an ender 3 for demonstrating print quality and speed (cht nozzles)
If you got the money, sure go for bambu's mid-high range options. But don't expect minimal intervention.
just got my P1S combo it so easy to use and i have the k1 and k1 Max i have been told by creailty the multi colour printing is coming very soon they are working with a third party in developing it.
Ive seen lots of people suggested Bambu Labs printers as first printer i will always suggest Enders because of the price point. No point in throwing away $1000 for something you might not even enjoy
You can get a Bambu for as little as $300 plus shipping.
You can get a bambu a1 mini for $299, or the regular size A1 (that has a bigger build plate than an ender 3) for $399 once the recall is handled. Even the P1P is $600. Pricey for sure, but you do get a lot of printer for the money.
just signed up on your site hopefully I'll get access soon to the benefits
I started with the Tevo/Homers Tarantula. However, I now have the Sovol SV06, which I highly recomend. The Sovol SV06 is simply an amazing 3d printer at about the same price as the Ender.
And once you install klipper you can be just as fast as the p1s.
Is this an older video? I thought the V3 KE was the latest?
Not the lowest cost Ender. The KE is more expensive.
Now compare the creality printer to something like the A1 or A1mini which are way cheaper than the p1s, have more features, and print just as fast.
So smaller bed or recalled printer ;)
My first 3D was the Anycubic Vyper - I got it because of Auto Bed leveling. It has been a great machine to learn 3d printing and learning Cura (and this channel has helped me get better) - Now im ready for for a P1S for some of my high end projects. But ill Keep the vyper, it works great!!!
Glad you found your upgrade path. I hope the 2000+/month find it as well. Until then I’ll keep helping them.
The vyper is an excellent printer. I use mine regularly for prototypes while using my P1S for the main stuff. The P1S is outstanding for speed and quality and a major upgrade for larger jobs. I am running a 6 hr print now that took more than 24 hrs to complete on the vyper during development. But the vyper has been very reliable and like all open frame printers it has great accesibilty for maintenance and minor repairs. No problems with the newer P1S yet, but I don't look forward to having to work on it.
Just helped a friend fix his Ender 3 pro, the stock firmware was junk and would freeze up mid print. Once I loaded a 3rd party version of Marlin and now it works fine but having that firmware as stock would really be a turn off for a new user. BTW I use a P1S and it's awesome but the ender can do it albeit much slower.
Is an Anet A6 printer an Ender style?
It’s an I3 style but not a clone of Ender 3
You should compare the Ender 3 (pro ? ) to a Bambulab A1 not a P1S. The A1 is much more a look-alike. You're right about the use of slicers.
That would be a knock out win for Creality! Or well, maybe more like a "walkover" win. As you may be aware, the A1 is currently a fire hazard. 😏
But when it's not on fire (literally) it outperforms any Ender3 model at a way lower price than a P1S....
I have owned four printers. Solidoodle. XYZPrint. Prusa Mini. and now Ender 3 V2 (christmas present). By far my favorite is the Emder 3. I use Prusa 2.7.1. No fails in dozens and dozens of prints. I have made one mod - second z lead screw using a belt drive off of the primary z lead screw. I use this nearly exclusively now despite fact prusa is still there and fine.
I would say because of the weird hype of Ender3 you can buy the Ender5/5pro just for the same price as an Ender3. And even if the E5 is not true CoreXY printer, its way more stable and reliable than the E3. the difference however gonna be the speed and some other feattures that makes your life easier (or complicated depends on your skill)
I now have 3 printers. Ender 5 (ZeroG Mercury 1 Converted), Ender 3, and a QIDI X-Plus3. I can no longer recommend the Ender 3. The amount of time calibrating, tinkering, etc it required to match what my QIDI does out of the box isn't worth it. I've been blown away with the prints the QIDI X-Plus3 is turning out especially after I tuned it for specific filaments. The ZeroG mod (Core XY) to my Ender 5 was totally worth it too if you have an Ender 5.
But on those other printers you needed to learn how to 3D print and you probably did. On the easy to use brands we have a bunch of people who can't seem to learn the basics of troubleshooting a 3D print. I still recommend people start on an ender 3 first so they learn how to drive before throwing them in a racecar.
Not a good comparison, corexy compared to a bed slinger. But I do agree that people should start with an Ender. I had Enders for years and wouldn’t change anything tons of knowledge with working with these machines.
A BambuLab P1 or the A1 is more for people who print nearly every day or with different filament colors. For a Maker, who only needs a printer every weekend, a cheap bed slinger is more than enough. BamboLabs need for cloud servies gives me the feeling of Apple iTunes.
Well said!
Agree. Ender is also open source which allows Makers to modify while Bambi is all closed source. The A1 is also recalled.
You don't need the cloud services. You can use Orca slicer and an sd card.
@@FilamentFridayCommunity Software is a thing. There is already a community driven open source software for bambu printers.
My cheaply modified Ender 3 Pro prints great.
It appears you have the new Ender 3 V3 behind you.....
Not watched the Video till the results but i'm an OG Ender 3 owner (now collecting dust) and i tuned it with some effort and an EZR Struder.
The surface quality of this machine is still to be matched by Bambu. They don't come even close to the wall stacking and the surface finish. Well that comes at a price! 50mm/s AS max.
I'm still disappointed by the printquality of my P1S for the pricepoint.
The E3 is so consistent and smooth with the layers. The Bowden helps a lot to smooth it.
Im still running my cr10 v1 and ender 3 pro with my New Elegoo neptune 4 plus
FINALLY! The matchup I’ve been waiting for!
i have 10 printers all different , all print as good as my bambu just not as fast or convenient to use
I started on an Ender 3pro upgrade to a Bambu A1 for the speed.
A1’s were all recalled.
Yes I know, waiting on my new bed heat bed and my $120 in credit @@FilamentFriday
I'm glad I started with an Ender back in the day (a CHEP cube was my first successful print!), but at this point I tell people to get a Bambu A1 if they are on a budget and an X1-C if they aren't. For anyone not looking to make 3D printing a hobby, the easy setup and out-of-the-box user experience that Bambu provides is currently the best option for someone who "just wants to print some stuff." While I lament the fact that people will "learn less" as time goes on with 3D printing, the reality is that this is simply the trajectory of all technologies as they proliferate and acquire a wider and less technically savvy consumer base.
All the A1’s were recalled by Bambulab.
I didn’t tell the 2000+ to buy the Ender 3. I’m just helping them get the most out of it.
My ender is super reliable after direct drive extruder mod, bimetal hotend,pei plate board cooling fan always on and filament drier..
Great vid sums it up nicely
Bambu = learn next to nothing
Ender = learn how to actually 3d print
True, that's because with the Ender YOU make it print, the Bambu print by itself.
So, again you are right, if you want to learn how to make a 3D printer to work well, get an Ender, otherwise, if you just want to print get a Bambu.
I'm still rockin and ender 3 v1. Glass bed, all metal extruder and CHEP'S extra fast Cura profile will give just about any printer a run for it's money
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Hyper fast mode is silly on my Microswiss all metal extruder ender 3. I just did a wood print with hyper fast mode with fuzzy skin enabled fully expecting it to clog and nope just went along and spit out a great model. The wood and fuzzy skin hid the thiiiick layer lines
Glad the profiles are working great for you guys.
i wanna see a build off where you use 400 additional dollars to improve the ender 3 then compare...
Why? I already matched it without any mods.
@@FilamentFridayBoom! Headshot!
@@FilamentFriday for contents sake? maybe to see if you could add an enclosure for reduced heat cycling, or simply to show what could be done for the same money or close to, as the bambu for someone who wants to upgrade an older ender?
I loved your videos back in days chep when I start with my ender 3 v2 but now look like you are stuck in 2020 it's 2024 we have orca slices for the same money of that ender u can get artillery sidewinder x2 even on artillery hornet is nether them ender 3. U need to update your self chep.
Eh, this is too simple of a test. I have a heavily tuned and modified Ender 3 Pro. But my workhorse is the P1P in a WhamBam hotbox. I haven't had a single failure on the P1P with over 100+ prints in multiple materials including CF Nylon.
Excellent. I’m just showing the 2000+/month that they can get good results.
Don't think cali cubes quite cut it for testing anymore tbh, as soon as you move into more complicated prints the print time on ender 3's become ridiculous in comparison, if you have an ender 3 you can still use it yes, but going to buy one now new makes no sense at all, then buying used if it's your first printer is going to be a tough time of problem solving.
Given you can get into a core xy printer now for 300 or less, printing around 3-5 times faster, I don't see the ender series lasting that much longer.
Enders in general can be a pit of lost time, fixing and maintaining, a lot of people are just done with that now.
i have 3 printers a k1 a elegoo neptune 3 and a ender3 pro with a factory bord 4.2.2 silent.on my ender i direnct drive it with a v6 hotend and i put a cr tuch on it let me tell you i will sell all my printers but i will never sell my ender it will print the same or better then any printer !
Creality Ender 3 V3 or Bambulab A1 ? 🤔☕
Thanks for showing the E3 V3 SE, I ruined my print bed on my second print. The filament stuck so well it destroyed the sticker. I mean, I have metal showing.
So what did I do?
Grabbed my spare Biqu B1 Springsteel Sheet and plonked it down and just started printing.
I have a video of the results on my 2nd channel. Because I decided to live stream a over 50 year old building a new 3D printer.
Also, about the Ender 3 Pro. A good printer. But if the buyer just wants to print stuff for cosplay and so, they don't need to know the bare bones of the machine. I watched a novice take 7 hours to build her E3 Pro on a live stream. SMH, how could someone sell her that machine when she just wanted to print stuff. And I could continue. It made me angry that they decided for her that she needed to know the basics, while the E3 V3 SE is a 20 minute build, dropped stuff...
Agree but I didn’t tell 2000+ to buy it but I’m willing to help them.
@@FilamentFriday And that is why I love your channel. Your help is much appreciated{However you spell that word]
I've been using a heavily modified ender 3 pro for about 4 years now. Yes, it prints decently, but it was not trivial to get there. Many hours spent tinkering, tuning, messing with settings, trying out different mods to make it a more reliable printer, etc. I'm about done with all that. I want the designing and actual printing to be my focus with this hobby, not the tinkering/tuning of the printer. Buying today I'd get a bambu A1 mini, only because the full size A1 is on recall. If the full size A1 is available, that's what I'd go for.
I'm not saying it's either the printing as the hobby or the tuning as the hobby; it's very much both. But I want it to be more like 90% designing/printing, 10% tuning, rather than the 60% designing/printing, 40% tuning it's been with my ender. When it prints good, it's very good. But it wasn't very reliable until I did all the mods I did. Even now, things occasionally get out of whack, and fixing issues is mostly easy, but the bambu printers
Once you factor in all the features the bambu printers offer, they're a pretty good value, even against a $200 ender 3. A closer comparison would be the A1 at $399, but since it's on recall (and being handled excellently by bambu btw, imagine a creality recall ;-) ), the A1 mini for $299 is a great printer for those who want to dip their toes into the hobby of 3d printing without picking up a side hobby of working on the printer. You may spend under $200 on an ender 3, but you will spend several times that in your own time and effort to get it printing good prints and more importantly, reliably.
Good comparison, you just have to keep in mind there's more than one mindset when it comes to this amazing hobby.
I have been recommending Bambulab printers to the non-tech savvy who wants a printer that works and the Ender 3 if they want another hobby. But I'll admit that I've been guilty for neglecting of not recommending Prusa Printers and newer/kitted Ender 3s that have autobed leveling preinstalled to those same group of people.
I’m just helping those 2000+ /month who already purchased.
Im still using my Ender3 v2 and havent felt a need to jump to a $500+ unit. There are always going to be newer better things out there, but the communities are what id be invested into as troubleshooting can be frustrating at times.
I would agree he chose the most mid tier printer they offer to a cheap printer. A Bambu A1 Mini or A1 or even the Anycubic are almost at the same price point and is very beginner friendly. Plus no bed leveling required as these printers have auto bed leveling and thats including that the A1 Mini has a Camera, Wifi Capability, and a touch screen. Plus, for some bucks more you can get the AMS which you cant do multicolor on the ender without something like the palette.
Very biased.
Multicolor on an Ender is possible with far cheaper options than the Palette or an AMS. The cheapest kit I'm aware of is the 3D Chameleon which right now is $179
I started off 3 years ago with CHEP videos watched everything under the sun relating to Ender 3. And learned to much to list. I just purchased my 2nd X1C I need the best of the best for home printing for my business I still run my Ender neos “for now” but I’ll keep my Enders still. Im swaying past creality and going towards Bambu now. The extra money is worth the price for near perfection for FDM and getting items printed out faster for business. Creality starting to lose relevance now just Bambu price point is what holding creality in the game right now
You can absolutely try out with a cheap Ender 3 to see if you like 3D printing before you buy a good printer like P1S. A slight downside is that the answer to the question is much more likely to be a resounding "NO!" with the Ender 3.
I started with an even worse printer than Ender 3, and still have my upgraded Ender 3 around. But I knew I signed up for a 3D printer building hobby, prepared to tinker with it instead of printing. If the ambition had been to get actual printing done, it would have been thrown in the trash after a few months.
That's exactly how it was for me. I nearly swore off the hobby until better printers were available cheaper because of my ender 3 experience. But I did persevere and have it printing decently now, but doing it again, bambu all the way.