@@Simiotakuthat doesn’t say much. What rank are you reaching? Rank 20? Because that means nothing. Also share your total win loss ratio if you want to try and make a strong argument against the existence of the algorithm
I can totally relate to this. Every season I struggle to make it past Ace-Veteran levels because after any day of positive sets that I get 5-0’s or 4-1’s I will get a day where almost every battle is hard counter leads and often hard counter swaps. I’ve just come to accept that Veteran is probably the highest I will ever be able to go because of this. It’s sooo obvious that there is an algorithm, it’s like they are not even trying to hide it. Not sure if everyone’s account is like this but for me it’s obvious.
It might be worth testing, but after a day of extremely positive sets I have noticed that on the next day if I stop playing as soon as I start seeing multiple hard counters coming out and just wait a day or more then it seems to curb the algorithms desire to screw me. Not sure if it even does anything but thought I would just put that out there.
@@salnapoli2271 I get your point, but like I said on my game it seems pretty obvious when it happens and I can always predict it as well. There is definitely an algorithm for matchmaking, not saying it’s a good one but there is definitely something. It’s so obvious that the game counter balances depending on how you have been doing. Have a day of mostly positive sets and good matchups? Get ready for a day of mostly negative sets with hard counters. Have a rough day with mostly negative sets? Here have some good leads and completely shut down your opponent RPS. Now I have had some pretty balanced days as well that don’t match either extreme, but as soon as you do have a day that matches one extreme the game adjusts to keep you around the same Elo. Not saying you can’t play your way out of negative matchups either, those are some of the most fun games if you can pull it off. The issue is when you get completely RPS shut down with nothing you could do, and I have had sets where that is literally almost every game.
Biggest problem for me is whenever I change my team after a rough set then I get hard countered more consistently. It's better to get to know a team and master it well enough to play around bad leads and swaps etc.
Agree, we all know the Algorithm Match thing... it will kept us atleast at 50% win ratio, if you're lower you're gonna get easy lead, derank opponent, or free win because of *"INTERNET CONNECTION Thing"* But when you're way above 55 to even 60% win rate, that's when you'll be match with a Counter lead, hard Counter all the way to the bottom or just straight up cut your internet connection 😂 If there was 16-20 game winning streak, is either you get really lucky for meeting a bunch of hard Counters with brain Fart Players, or just straight up cheating with discord server thing
One way I tested the algorithm, when I had over 50% wins: I made teams deliberately where all or two members shared one weakness. I switched teams to have different weaknesses each set. I guarantee you that you will see entire team compositions switch just to hard counter yours.
Hey Poke, I was the guy with the tenta. I made a comment on one of your other videos about how I JUST put the Machamp on my team to get rid of all the A-slashes coming for my G-dash and Tenta and saw you with a lapras in literally the first battle. Still haven't seen another slash since my change and it was on 100% of my opponents until then.
Yesterday was on a streak, even what seemed like soft counters, then it seemed like every team I encountered was exactly a hard counter. It was a pain, today was worse. Then you look at win-losses and I’m still batting just over .500. SMH.
There’s no doubt in my mind that there’s an algorithm, but it affects everyone equally, so hitting legend is about working around bad matchups and not blowing good ones.
I had an 0-5 yesterday aswell. My team was Meganium, Lanturn and A ninetales. I encountered double poison twice, and the rest had a Salazzle.... Never seen Salazzle until I used that team
I would love to see a video where you switch the order of your back line after each battle. I have done this with some moderate success, and even though I don’t do all of my battles every day, most seasons, I am able to get to about a 60 to 65% when read. It keeps the algorithm on its toes!
I went from multiple double digit wins, at about 75-80% winning to 48-52%. I haven't had a long win streak in a while. I think they totally control the battle League. They can tag accounts and make it like easy mode. Not just for battles, shines and pokemon too. Remember all they have to do is turn on a feature for an account. They have the ability to set a person's account anyway they want. You think the employees don't have a different experience than the average player? Or the big accounts who do niantics bidding? They can do anything they control the code.
Same logic as why i think there's an algorithm on shiny odds. I've seen way too much times where new accounts, returning players or players(cough pogoTubers) who get way too much luck with shinies. Whereas the veteran players who have played long enough or players that aren't Niantic pogotubers lol go through swinging odds of shiny luck: no shiny luck for months despite new shiny pokemon out, mild shiny luck and sudden luck finding shinies left/right. It makes sense why they'd create a shiny rng/odds boosting algorithm to entice new and returning players to hook them into playing longer while veteran players have played enough that we're suckers to keep playing and willing to keep trying before it breaks us between the shiny algorithm and other gane issues. Plus PokeAK has such a good point he makes which is Niantic sure loves leaving bugs/glitches that mess with players with some being not fixed for years while game improving glitches suddenly have priority to fix. Heck my main phone a s10+ has been suffering from google login issues where it always got stuck at halfway loading. Initially it would fix after an app restart or 2 but now doesn't lately. I remember awhile disabling adventure sync helped but no more. Seen people mention disconnecting the go plus devices as they can cause background issues even when game isn't running but not my issue. Messaged Niantic telling them about the issue with all the troubleshooting I've done and all i get "please play on a different device" without any clear suggested fixes or identifiable help that improves login issues. Have to use my alt phones to play on that account and been thinking whether my s10+ will work on Go Fest global lol. They need to friggin revamp and improve all the login systems as they've not really been improved in the years beyond changing the loading screen image lol.
@@shadowdrakes Totally agree, there is a VIP class for accounts. Streamers that talk nice about Niantic, people that spend money and return to the game. Shiny odds through the roof. It makes sense for business, streamers show how 'easy' it is to hatch shiny mons, etc. People buy incubators. Returning accounts (that spent money in the past) get them hooked again with some crazy shiny luck. But this is terrible for the long term health of the game.
Something seems fishy when I'm on a 30+ match winning streak, and the next 5 match rewards are all rare candies and I can't win a single match. How does that even happen legitimately?
Happens to me all the time when I get to that rare candy stage. I'll get 0 wins but clearly it's my skill level, getting completely walled in the early stages even tho I'm consistently 2500+ elo every season. You argue with stupid people you win stupid prizes
What's worse than the algorithm, is the seemingly deliberate unresponsiveness of inputs gbl feeds you after you start achieving a consistent 80% win rate. If you have a move banked, and the game physically won't let you throw your charged move for several turns, your opponent gets to freely fast attack a couple of seconds and ruin your 5-0 ELO gains and stardust. Literally unacceptable. Then when you contact support, they are all "Sorry the game sucks. We cannot fix it. Here is a free premium battle pass." And then the next time you log into the game, and everytime following, you get prompted that you have a new response from support, despite the fact that you've resolved the conversation. Currently at 2450ish ELO, so I'm a mid tier player. Have good mons with great IV's, but sometime I fail to play optimally. With that being said, my ELO should definitely be a bit higher. Also playing on not ideal connection. I have 2 bars of service consistently, playing on wifi in the sticks.
I never paid attention until you brought it out. Now I even notice other people I battle are getting jacked. When I shouldn't win I do. When I win I shouldn't. Now I just let the algorithm pick my team because I have just as much a winning record regardless of what team I pick.
You build a fun looking team and the first match you go into, it shows you what you're weak against. After they took out the level 40 master league cups I'm done for. Battle league isn't fun when you lose all the time.
I whole hearted Agree the algorithm always puts in ur counters or vice versa. Where does skill and knowledge come into play if the other team is your counter
Is it still a secret? I mean, pretty much every legendary/expert player in the scene were throwing games to get easier wins when the GO battle league weekend with 4x stardust rewards were going on. They were also blatantly saying live on their stream that they were in fact throwing games to get easier and more consistent wins. This has been a thing in the scene for years I thought as well so how come there's people saying there is no algorithm? What's the point in throwing games to get easier opponents/leads if it's completely random?
The exact thing has been happening to me yesterday and your video dropped. Yeah there ain't no way that all of this is coincidence. Can't even try a new team out without the game throwing hard counters to my team with Pokémon that I have NEVER encountered against in a battle on my last team. Of course, these hard counters only magicaly shined into existance after I had different Pokémon.
i definitely think there's an algorithm but i've noticed it a lot less than a few years ago. back in like 2020-21 it was like almost every single battle was a clear lead win or loss. now i'd say its more like 30% neutral matchup, 30% clear lead win, 30% clear win loss, and 10% mirror lead. the algorithm also gets more noticeable after rank 20 too, which i think is new. edit: maybe its the devs trying to cover up or something, idk
This is 100 % true. I've been stuck on level 20 for several weeks. If I find a team that is awesome the algorithm does this and forces me to change my team. BUT I've noticed that you get rewarded with easier fights if you switch your mons often and if you choose more unusual mons and if you pay attention to the weather and change mons to match the weather (not only weather boosted, but also easier matches).
Don’t worry about the hate brother. You make great content. And after watching a lot of your pvp videos. I’ve gotten so much better. Just went on a 13 win streak tonight.
I can confirm there are bots in gbl, I started a match with a clefable and the opponent had a shadow Beedrill. I then got an error before the timer counted down and had to restart the game. Started a new match and was faced with the exact same opponent. They were 100% a bot designed to counter me.
I wouldn’t be surprised if gbl had bots. Other very popular mobile games like dragonball legends and pubg (I think it’s called) have bots in PvP and don’t even try much to hide it. Pokémon go is a very simple game let’s face it, not that hard to program a bot for
have you ever had that error message happen to you in the past before? i wonder if it was possible both you and the possible bot got the same error message, and both went back into the game, at relatively the same time to go back to GBL, and you happened to get matched up again. Considering less and less people are playing GBL, i wouldn’t put it past being a coincidence. I have yet to see any evidence for bots, but i already know the algorithm is real, and it’s completely unfair
Lol appreciate the unedited truth let us know we ain’t alone out here. The algo is no joke. I finally got dubwool from the z’s event and started seeing fighters. Wish I could be like these guys stuck in the matrix lol talking about not algo. 💆♂️
Comedic gold, dude if we were friends hanging out, and went for an adventure and many unfortunate events were to happen, your constant sarcasm with a twist of anger and hope would keep me laughing.
Anyone notice when switching teams, if you choose a far out of meta lead, the game cant find a match for you? I have been switching teams and getting hard counters often, then I use a random team of odd ball pokemon that no one else uses, and the game times out finding a match. Does not seem to happen when I use teams that are seen often.
How far down the list on pvpoke do you consider 'mons to be non-meta? Does a player who chooses a spicy team use one or two non-meta 'mons? (comment for the algorithm)
I was on a pretty good win streak with drifblim as the lead but after awhile the match ups got pretty rough, crustles, togedemaru, skunktanks, galvantula, sandslash, etc pretty much never saw a decent or favorable matchup for the rest of the night. When I switched up my lead the algorithm follows. Tried Scrafty for a bit and was met with constant charm users or fliers. Tried Skuntank as a lead and was met with mud bois, tried rapidash and exact same thing. Whenever I tried jellicent it was Victorybells, darks and cradily. I mean it makes me not really want to try certain formats, I mean in general it’s not going anywhere but there’s some formats where it’s easier to gain Elo. We’re all in a similar rut lol
"Only B***** stick with the meta 24/7". Best line ever! Put that on some merch and watch it sell out. Every year im the same 22-2300 ELO. I make mistakes and yes, there are great trainers but its hard to get better/climb when you get like 20 points for going average of 3-5. For a game that wants you to get out and go, they sure like when you to sit on your couch for 2 hours tapping your phone.
I see golbat and quagsire all first 5 battles. Then I switch to counter them and for the rest of the sets they were no where to be found except me getting the hare counter. So ridiculous. And when u complain in the chat box about it all they’ll say is “sorry for your experience heres a free premium raid pass for your troubles” like GTFO
Algorithm is way too real.... played medi double ice and faced a bunch of azu... none with HPump... switched up the team to medi,gfisk,SSlash... boom seen 2 azu both with hydro
The fact that anyone believes Niantic is actually competent enough to not only formulate an algorithm but then also implement it into their game is hilarious to me.
The best example I can give for the possibility of AI/bots is if you’re about to lose just stop tapping. Your “opponent” will stop at the exact same time. It makes no sense. What human player would stop when they’re about to win? I’ve seen this many times since I’ve started running this “test.” Very unusual.
Rip to my account I went on a positive 13 win streak they did not like that I got hit with a 0-15 😂 didn’t matter what teams I used just hard counter city I feel ur pain Ak
As an EXTREME rural player (no poke stops in sight on the map and for a few miles) I depend on rank 20 to get me this rotations legendary because there’s no gyms to get me pokecoins. Today the algorithm screwed me over all 5 times today. It gave me 2 wins and made me lose the rest. It’s bs.
Idk but shadow dragonite, nido queen&king. Dragonbreath/dragonclaw/superpower, poisonjab/poisonfang/stoneedge,and doublekick/earthpower/sabdstorm respectably. All 3 shadow they had been working nice having the dragon as the lead and depending on what i get ill adjust.shadow nidoking is a MONSTER with energy lead and at least a shield. It even beats ice types with ease 🥰🥰🥰🥰 obviously it has its weakness but it’s really fun to use. Please give it a try and let me know. Hurry you got till tomorrow lol
Im glad you posted this video since Im sure there is a hard mode for some accounts. And for people to deny that fact, lag and lag exploits, and the algorithm exist is to not only turn a blind eye when its all there but be willfully stupid.
I am generally confused but the premise of this video is to show that there is an algorithm and it sometimes works in your favor and sometimes against it but in your case it is more "against" because your Account is on "Hard Mode"?
all the normal disappear after I bring in fighter. I see a Raichu, a raichu after I bring in a charizard. I gave up and ran a triple water, boom a cradily lead...
Normally I do not comment a lot. But this will be a longer comment. But I also want to share my experience and view and all of this. Maybe it might help some others on their journey 🙂 There might be some kind of algorithm. At least it feels like it. I agree. Noticed this like probably everyone. Recently started playing A Sandslash in the lead and started seeing tons of Machamp, which I barely saw before. But I disagree with you when you always speek about "rigged" or accounts on "hard mode" etc. I feel this downplays the achievements of a lot who reach Legend. I think it is something everyone can be proud of. For me it was and still is a long way to come to this point. I reached legend since Season 8, except for 1 Season, where i struggled alot, after lots of hard counters in the 2900's. It was frustrating, which also made me play worse then. Usually I also struggle a lot, thinking I wont reach it and it mostly happened near end of season. This season it happened during the first Go Battle Day and peaked on 73 on the Leaderboard this time. Never thought this would be possible this early, since I dont think I am that good . I tanked to the 2500's after this since the Team was not working anymore, but the past week during Remix I climbed back to around Legend elo. But will I reach it next season? Honestly, I am not sure. But I am sure if I can do it, anyone else also can do it. Also you speak about about the 51% winrate. There I agree. It is for most of us this way. Last season I also had a 51.6% winrate, but also hitting legend. So this does not avoid you from hitting it. What is helping me besides finding a Team i feel comfortable with is try really to concentrate, counting moves is a very important part in this. This part I also need to work more on. Know a lot of counts, but by far not all. Mostly I struggle in open leagues. Smaller metas is where I do better. Never for example reached legend in Open GL. There are simply so much more matchups you have to learn.😅 I also feel in some battles you back out too early if you get countered in the lead and swap, when you dont know what is in the back. Sometimes in this situation the back mon can simply sweep. happened to me a lot. Of course there are situation, where you simply cant do anything, but not always. Also you often use extreme spice which might hold you back and makes it of course harder. But this is one reason why people like to watch your Videos. And even if I disagree in the "rigged" part of what you are saying, this also includes myself. So keep it up👍
I agree with this. As a legend player myself, he’s running pretty spicy mons / all shadow mons (super squish anyways) so its ultimately limiting how he’s able to play. Even if you have a hard lead, you can still win the counter swap, or your backline can win too. Also as far as win %, also right there. I reached legend w a 53% win percentage and it’s more so quality of wins versus quantity. One 5-0 is better than five 3-2s anyways
@@jonlien12 Pretty much agree. If you go 3-2 five times and then 0-5 it is frustrating to see all your progress gone. It is easy to blame the algorithm then. And like I said, I also believe that there is some kind of algorithm, even Niantic said otherwise. It just cant be always bad luck, if you change your team and all of the sudden you encounter things, you did not saw before. There I agree with Poke. But it is there for all of us, we are all sitting in the same boat there and expierence it. Know your team, know your matchups and surely you will improve. And a lot of people do. I am sometimes impressed of games in like the 2500's. People count moves perfectly, overfarm perfectly, throwing on CMP etc. Surely every one of those can reach legend. It are small things which makes the difference up there. Also what is one of my biggest weaknesses. I am stubborn. If I find something that works, mostly I keep using it, thinking it has to work somehow. That was the reason, why I did not reach legend in like Season 11, even I was in the 2900's at one point. This was also the reason why I tanked to the 2500's this season, because I kept using the Legend Team which gave me around 600 elo only on day 1 of Go Battle Weekend. But it was not because the game was rigged. It would be too easy to say this.
@@YGK90 Yup, im pretty stubborn too. Used a team during fighting cup and climbed to 2749 after day 1 of go battle bay but have tanked to 2500. im at 2721 after today in OGL though
@@jonlien12 I havent touched OGL at all. I just hate it right now. 😅 And yeah this really sounds familiar to me. Anyway good luck in your battles trainer 🙂
Since players pay real world money for items and events that can help in GBL, there should be a class action lawsuit against Niantic and as part of it demand the exact way matches are decided and whether or not players are punished for speaking out against the company or Pokémon Go. I only now stopped getting hard countered after MONTHS. And what did I say to piss them off? I demanded they tell me when they would do their JOB and delete the account of someone I KNEW was cheating, reported time and time again mont after month while they sat on their @ss with their thumb up their butt.
There are soo many bots. You can test it by stopping attacking. Wait attack again, then stop again. The bots will only attack when you do. Most of the time you don’t notice it, because you never stop testing it.
Absolutely appreciate you my Alaskan friend, wish we lived closer o i would definately come over for some coffee and hanging out. Ya know what i mean. Same personalities. Grind on Buddy👌 appreciate it
please tell me how the opponent has a defeated pokemon be recalled out in battel with 25 to 50% health restored from zero. I get this about 3 times a week, if I am battling a couple times a day. They dont get a full heal, but half way most of the time.
Lots of people tend to say you can tell if your opponent is a bot if they stop attacking but that's not always true. If someone is respectable they will not attack when you are lagging and some strategic plays require not tapping in certain situations. Now I've faced players around the 2800s to the 2900s that have the default avatar, no pose, and a weird name. I am convinced those players are bots
I never get electrics on my opponents team(GL Remix) when i used Qwilfish, Togetic and a trash Vigoroth. Once i upgraded my Vigoroth because the last one was successful all i got were trainers with A.Raichu, Raichu, and Stunfisk. Went 0 for 5 and cut the game off. Not sure what to do for today. "Only bitches stick to the meta" 😂👏🏽
What your showing is literally what I am currently and still going thru. Idk what or how they are setting up but I remember having a swampert as my lead and every 👏 👏single 👏match 👏 , my opponent had grass. I'm like wtf . So I switch to stunfish as my lead and next thing I know I am facing a team of water or fire as their lead and im like really? And getting 0/5 from bots or freezing cheaters. Smh
Im not denying with you poke. But trying to convince people while using these spicy teams is hard. I would suggest that you use meta teams and show us these examples. Love the vids!!
When I win 5-0 that's 100% a 0-5 next set all the time. No exceptions on that! Hard counter city when that happens! And I stop playing GBL for three days after that.
Anyone who denies the presence of an algorithm is completely delusional
I'm delusional. If there was an algorithm I wouldn't reach the same rank every single season with the same team.
@@Simiotakuthat doesn’t say much. What rank are you reaching? Rank 20? Because that means nothing.
Also share your total win loss ratio if you want to try and make a strong argument against the existence of the algorithm
@@jadeskye7600 im sure you reaching veteran means a whole lot more... not
@@RowletGod69 ok? I’m not the delusional one denying an algorithm and who said I was veteran anyways lol
@@jadeskye7600well me personally the past couple seasons no less than 60% winrate, always in the 60’s :)👍👍
However i really hate the 51% win percentage that constantly maintain. At this point I just go through the motions for the stardust.
Same honestly
Me three
I can totally relate to this. Every season I struggle to make it past Ace-Veteran levels because after any day of positive sets that I get 5-0’s or 4-1’s I will get a day where almost every battle is hard counter leads and often hard counter swaps. I’ve just come to accept that Veteran is probably the highest I will ever be able to go because of this. It’s sooo obvious that there is an algorithm, it’s like they are not even trying to hide it. Not sure if everyone’s account is like this but for me it’s obvious.
It might be worth testing, but after a day of extremely positive sets I have noticed that on the next day if I stop playing as soon as I start seeing multiple hard counters coming out and just wait a day or more then it seems to curb the algorithms desire to screw me. Not sure if it even does anything but thought I would just put that out there.
@pokeAK101 No thanks 🙏
@@salnapoli2271 I get your point, but like I said on my game it seems pretty obvious when it happens and I can always predict it as well. There is definitely an algorithm for matchmaking, not saying it’s a good one but there is definitely something. It’s so obvious that the game counter balances depending on how you have been doing. Have a day of mostly positive sets and good matchups? Get ready for a day of mostly negative sets with hard counters. Have a rough day with mostly negative sets? Here have some good leads and completely shut down your opponent RPS. Now I have had some pretty balanced days as well that don’t match either extreme, but as soon as you do have a day that matches one extreme the game adjusts to keep you around the same Elo. Not saying you can’t play your way out of negative matchups either, those are some of the most fun games if you can pull it off. The issue is when you get completely RPS shut down with nothing you could do, and I have had sets where that is literally almost every game.
Biggest problem for me is whenever I change my team after a rough set then I get hard countered more consistently. It's better to get to know a team and master it well enough to play around bad leads and swaps etc.
Agree, we all know the Algorithm Match thing... it will kept us atleast at 50% win ratio, if you're lower you're gonna get easy lead, derank opponent, or free win because of *"INTERNET CONNECTION Thing"*
But when you're way above 55 to even 60% win rate, that's when you'll be match with a Counter lead, hard Counter all the way to the bottom or just straight up cut your internet connection 😂
If there was 16-20 game winning streak, is either you get really lucky for meeting a bunch of hard Counters with brain Fart Players, or just straight up cheating with discord server thing
One way I tested the algorithm, when I had over 50% wins: I made teams deliberately where all or two members shared one weakness. I switched teams to have different weaknesses each set. I guarantee you that you will see entire team compositions switch just to hard counter yours.
Hey Poke, I was the guy with the tenta. I made a comment on one of your other videos about how I JUST put the Machamp on my team to get rid of all the A-slashes coming for my G-dash and Tenta and saw you with a lapras in literally the first battle. Still haven't seen another slash since my change and it was on 100% of my opponents until then.
Lots of Golbat, Gliscor and Hypno now, though. Even a damn confusion Cres. -_-
That’s crazy lol
Yesterday was on a streak, even what seemed like soft counters, then it seemed like every team I encountered was exactly a hard counter. It was a pain, today was worse. Then you look at win-losses and I’m still batting just over .500. SMH.
The first time I heard about "the algorithm" I didn't think it was true but now, with a lot more time invested in pvp, I can say it is undeniable
I feel like they give you a set sometimes where it's just like, "You're gonna lose this set to even out your record a bit"
That's exactly what I was thinking!
Niantic " Nice Streak you got there, be a shame if something happened to it! "
There’s no doubt in my mind that there’s an algorithm, but it affects everyone equally, so hitting legend is about working around bad matchups and not blowing good ones.
Nope, in my mind, there are several algorithms. One is blocking most of the players. Other algorithms let some players reach high ranks.
Based on what? That’s an awfully bold claim.
@@arnaudzhixiang7598bro what😹😹
I put a flyer in the lead and got lycanroc with rock throw
The PVP in this game is the worse I ever seen. Is so Lame and sad
I had an 0-5 yesterday aswell. My team was Meganium, Lanturn and A ninetales. I encountered double poison twice, and the rest had a Salazzle.... Never seen Salazzle until I used that team
I would love to see a video where you switch the order of your back line after each battle. I have done this with some moderate success, and even though I don’t do all of my battles every day, most seasons, I am able to get to about a 60 to 65% when read. It keeps the algorithm on its toes!
Even if you “uSE ThE mEtA”….. you’ll still get hard countered all the time and it becomes a game of RPS that you lose constantly….
This is why one of my golden rules of gbl is never lead with something with a double weakness
Or never run trip shadow it’s too glassy period tho I normally totally 100% agree w poke
Was so close to hitting Veteran and then after that been getting nothing but hard counters no matter what team I use. Ridiculous 🤦🏻♂️
I went from multiple double digit wins, at about 75-80% winning to 48-52%. I haven't had a long win streak in a while. I think they totally control the battle League. They can tag accounts and make it like easy mode. Not just for battles, shines and pokemon too. Remember all they have to do is turn on a feature for an account. They have the ability to set a person's account anyway they want. You think the employees don't have a different experience than the average player? Or the big accounts who do niantics bidding?
They can do anything they control the code.
Same logic as why i think there's an algorithm on shiny odds. I've seen way too much times where new accounts, returning players or players(cough pogoTubers) who get way too much luck with shinies.
Whereas the veteran players who have played long enough or players that aren't Niantic pogotubers lol go through swinging odds of shiny luck: no shiny luck for months despite new shiny pokemon out, mild shiny luck and sudden luck finding shinies left/right.
It makes sense why they'd create a shiny rng/odds boosting algorithm to entice new and returning players to hook them into playing longer while veteran players have played enough that we're suckers to keep playing and willing to keep trying before it breaks us between the shiny algorithm and other gane issues. Plus PokeAK has such a good point he makes which is Niantic sure loves leaving bugs/glitches that mess with players with some being not fixed for years while game improving glitches suddenly have priority to fix.
Heck my main phone a s10+ has been suffering from google login issues where it always got stuck at halfway loading. Initially it would fix after an app restart or 2 but now doesn't lately. I remember awhile disabling adventure sync helped but no more. Seen people mention disconnecting the go plus devices as they can cause background issues even when game isn't running but not my issue. Messaged Niantic telling them about the issue with all the troubleshooting I've done and all i get "please play on a different device" without any clear suggested fixes or identifiable help that improves login issues. Have to use my alt phones to play on that account and been thinking whether my s10+ will work on Go Fest global lol. They need to friggin revamp and improve all the login systems as they've not really been improved in the years beyond changing the loading screen image lol.
@@shadowdrakes Totally agree, there is a VIP class for accounts. Streamers that talk nice about Niantic, people that spend money and return to the game. Shiny odds through the roof. It makes sense for business, streamers show how 'easy' it is to hatch shiny mons, etc. People buy incubators. Returning accounts (that spent money in the past) get them hooked again with some crazy shiny luck. But this is terrible for the long term health of the game.
Every time I play I always say I don’t care if I win, because I always get countered. But I do care, because I would like to enjoy this game more.
Something seems fishy when I'm on a 30+ match winning streak, and the next 5 match rewards are all rare candies and I can't win a single match. How does that even happen legitimately?
Happens to me all the time when I get to that rare candy stage. I'll get 0 wins but clearly it's my skill level, getting completely walled in the early stages even tho I'm consistently 2500+ elo every season. You argue with stupid people you win stupid prizes
Absolutely same thing, when I go on crazy lose streaks I get a shit ton of rare candy, like no joke
When I get a match where I have counters for all 3 of my opponent’s mons I can’t do nothing but laugh at how the algorithm is in my favor
What's worse than the algorithm, is the seemingly deliberate unresponsiveness of inputs gbl feeds you after you start achieving a consistent 80% win rate.
If you have a move banked, and the game physically won't let you throw your charged move for several turns, your opponent gets to freely fast attack a couple of seconds and ruin your 5-0 ELO gains and stardust. Literally unacceptable.
Then when you contact support, they are all "Sorry the game sucks. We cannot fix it. Here is a free premium battle pass."
And then the next time you log into the game, and everytime following, you get prompted that you have a new response from support, despite the fact that you've resolved the conversation.
Currently at 2450ish ELO, so I'm a mid tier player. Have good mons with great IV's, but sometime I fail to play optimally. With that being said, my ELO should definitely be a bit higher. Also playing on not ideal connection. I have 2 bars of service consistently, playing on wifi in the sticks.
"I build a team, it has no weakness"
"Algorithm"
I never paid attention until you brought it out. Now I even notice other people I battle are getting jacked. When I shouldn't win I do. When I win I shouldn't. Now I just let the algorithm pick my team because I have just as much a winning record regardless of what team I pick.
love the unfiltered videos way funnier to watch.
You build a fun looking team and the first match you go into, it shows you what you're weak against. After they took out the level 40 master league cups I'm done for. Battle league isn't fun when you lose all the time.
Going to be honest, I love when you make these videos and go completely off script and lose it 💯🤘🏾💯
I whole hearted Agree the algorithm always puts in ur counters or vice versa. Where does skill and knowledge come into play if the other team is your counter
Is it still a secret? I mean, pretty much every legendary/expert player in the scene were throwing games to get easier wins when the GO battle league weekend with 4x stardust rewards were going on. They were also blatantly saying live on their stream that they were in fact throwing games to get easier and more consistent wins. This has been a thing in the scene for years I thought as well so how come there's people saying there is no algorithm? What's the point in throwing games to get easier opponents/leads if it's completely random?
Back in the Day I was at least a Veteran. Nowadays I am only a Ace.
The exact thing has been happening to me yesterday and your video dropped. Yeah there ain't no way that all of this is coincidence. Can't even try a new team out without the game throwing hard counters to my team with Pokémon that I have NEVER encountered against in a battle on my last team. Of course, these hard counters only magicaly shined into existance after I had different Pokémon.
i definitely think there's an algorithm but i've noticed it a lot less than a few years ago. back in like 2020-21 it was like almost every single battle was a clear lead win or loss. now i'd say its more like 30% neutral matchup, 30% clear lead win, 30% clear win loss, and 10% mirror lead. the algorithm also gets more noticeable after rank 20 too, which i think is new. edit: maybe its the devs trying to cover up or something, idk
This is 100 % true. I've been stuck on level 20 for several weeks.
If I find a team that is awesome the algorithm does this and forces me to change my team. BUT I've noticed that you get rewarded with easier fights if you switch your mons often and if you choose more unusual mons and if you pay attention to the weather and change mons to match the weather (not only weather boosted, but also easier matches).
0:55 Pretty sure u would have won if u shielded that weather ball
Don’t worry about the hate brother. You make great content. And after watching a lot of your pvp videos. I’ve gotten so much better. Just went on a 13 win streak tonight.
The only time to play a league is the first two days. After that the algorithm goes into overdrive.
I can confirm there are bots in gbl, I started a match with a clefable and the opponent had a shadow Beedrill. I then got an error before the timer counted down and had to restart the game. Started a new match and was faced with the exact same opponent. They were 100% a bot designed to counter me.
I wouldn’t be surprised if gbl had bots. Other very popular mobile games like dragonball legends and pubg (I think it’s called) have bots in PvP and don’t even try much to hide it. Pokémon go is a very simple game let’s face it, not that hard to program a bot for
have you ever had that error message happen to you in the past before? i wonder if it was possible both you and the possible bot got the same error message, and both went back into the game, at relatively the same time to go back to GBL, and you happened to get matched up again. Considering less and less people are playing GBL, i wouldn’t put it past being a coincidence. I have yet to see any evidence for bots, but i already know the algorithm is real, and it’s completely unfair
That’s happened to me twice lol
Ma man is going bunkers on the comments and I'm 100% down for it 😂😂😂
I put drifblim at front with double mud boys. I got double normal at the back at laest 60% of the time.
Lol appreciate the unedited truth let us know we ain’t alone out here. The algo is no joke. I finally got dubwool from the z’s event and started seeing fighters. Wish I could be like these guys stuck in the matrix lol talking about not algo. 💆♂️
Comedic gold, dude if we were friends hanging out, and went for an adventure and many unfortunate events were to happen, your constant sarcasm with a twist of anger and hope would keep me laughing.
“I m dropping the F bomb bc i m fucking pissed” lmao ah yes thank you for informing me, haha dude i m fkn dying watching this
Show 6 pick 3 solves so many of the issues. After all these years, whatever you think, it's crazy how PVP has had no updates.
Anyone notice when switching teams, if you choose a far out of meta lead, the game cant find a match for you? I have been switching teams and getting hard counters often, then I use a random team of odd ball pokemon that no one else uses, and the game times out finding a match. Does not seem to happen when I use teams that are seen often.
How far down the list on pvpoke do you consider 'mons to be non-meta? Does a player who chooses a spicy team use one or two non-meta 'mons? (comment for the algorithm)
Respectable F bomb 💣
I was on a pretty good win streak with drifblim as the lead but after awhile the match ups got pretty rough, crustles, togedemaru, skunktanks, galvantula, sandslash, etc pretty much never saw a decent or favorable matchup for the rest of the night.
When I switched up my lead the algorithm follows. Tried Scrafty for a bit and was met with constant charm users or fliers. Tried Skuntank as a lead and was met with mud bois, tried rapidash and exact same thing. Whenever I tried jellicent it was Victorybells, darks and cradily.
I mean it makes me not really want to try certain formats, I mean in general it’s not going anywhere but there’s some formats where it’s easier to gain Elo. We’re all in a similar rut lol
I definitely keep getting countered. That, and the person swaps out their weakness immediately if I bring out a type stronger than theirs.
Appreciate your content, gameplay getting smaller here in Alaska especially between Anchorage and Fai
"Only B***** stick with the meta 24/7". Best line ever! Put that on some merch and watch it sell out. Every year im the same 22-2300 ELO. I make mistakes and yes, there are great trainers but its hard to get better/climb when you get like 20 points for going average of 3-5. For a game that wants you to get out and go, they sure like when you to sit on your couch for 2 hours tapping your phone.
I see golbat and quagsire all first 5 battles. Then I switch to counter them and for the rest of the sets they were no where to be found except me getting the hare counter. So ridiculous. And when u complain in the chat box about it all they’ll say is “sorry for your experience heres a free premium raid pass for your troubles” like GTFO
Algorithm is way too real.... played medi double ice and faced a bunch of azu... none with HPump... switched up the team to medi,gfisk,SSlash... boom seen 2 azu both with hydro
The fact that anyone believes Niantic is actually competent enough to not only formulate an algorithm but then also implement it into their game is hilarious to me.
Yeh I agree with you Niantic can't even put on the right shiny under an event how can they create an AI to balance out the win rate lool
Code one of the most successful mobile games of all time, fail to create simple matching algorithm, seems legit.
Matching algorithm isn’t that complex and easy to implement
Ignorance is bliss.
I have it confirmed from tech support in writing
The best example I can give for the possibility of AI/bots is if you’re about to lose just stop tapping. Your “opponent” will stop at the exact same time. It makes no sense. What human player would stop when they’re about to win? I’ve seen this many times since I’ve started running this “test.” Very unusual.
Rip to my account I went on a positive 13 win streak they did not like that I got hit with a 0-15 😂 didn’t matter what teams I used just hard counter city I feel ur pain Ak
As an EXTREME rural player (no poke stops in sight on the map and for a few miles) I depend on rank 20 to get me this rotations legendary because there’s no gyms to get me pokecoins. Today the algorithm screwed me over all 5 times today. It gave me 2 wins and made me lose the rest. It’s bs.
Idk but shadow dragonite, nido queen&king. Dragonbreath/dragonclaw/superpower, poisonjab/poisonfang/stoneedge,and doublekick/earthpower/sabdstorm respectably. All 3 shadow they had been working nice having the dragon as the lead and depending on what i get ill adjust.shadow nidoking is a MONSTER with energy lead and at least a shield. It even beats ice types with ease 🥰🥰🥰🥰 obviously it has its weakness but it’s really fun to use. Please give it a try and let me know. Hurry you got till tomorrow lol
Im glad you posted this video since Im sure there is a hard mode for some accounts. And for people to deny that fact, lag and lag exploits, and the algorithm exist is to not only turn a blind eye when its all there but be willfully stupid.
In my mind, there are several algorithms : one that is blocking most of the players and other algorithms that let some people reach highest ranks.
I just went back to back 5-0 to 0-5 with the same team! I am so done with this game.
Everytime i change my team i win 5 games but after that lose like 9 to 10 games😂
I am generally confused but the premise of this video is to show that there is an algorithm and it sometimes works in your favor and sometimes against it but in your case it is more "against" because your Account is on "Hard Mode"?
It’s random is what Niantic said and there is no algorithm if you use Bastiodon, Lurantis, and Toxapex.
They should allow a player to bring 6 pokemon but can only pick 3 during the battle.
It would be rigged as well… especially if your opponent is a bot 🤖
I did rock upfront with stunfisk, then would catch on to shdw victreebell for water swaps on my stunfisk
I had a 10 win streak and went on a 9 loss streak. Same team and the algorythm hit
all the normal disappear after I bring in fighter. I see a Raichu, a raichu after I bring in a charizard. I gave up and ran a triple water, boom a cradily lead...
Hi Poke Ak, regarding the algorithm, for s1 to be losing means s1 has to be winning. Whats the thought behind why do they do it? Keep it up.
Cheeto fingers leave Poke alone! Damn algorithm!
Normally I do not comment a lot. But this will be a longer comment. But I also want to share my experience and view and all of this. Maybe it might help some others on their journey 🙂
There might be some kind of algorithm. At least it feels like it. I agree. Noticed this like probably everyone. Recently started playing A Sandslash in the lead and started seeing tons of Machamp, which I barely saw before. But I disagree with you when you always speek about "rigged" or accounts on "hard mode" etc. I feel this downplays the achievements of a lot who reach Legend. I think it is something everyone can be proud of. For me it was and still is a long way to come to this point.
I reached legend since Season 8, except for 1 Season, where i struggled alot, after lots of hard counters in the 2900's. It was frustrating, which also made me play worse then. Usually I also struggle a lot, thinking I wont reach it and it mostly happened near end of season. This season it happened during the first Go Battle Day and peaked on 73 on the Leaderboard this time. Never thought this would be possible this early, since I dont think I am that good . I tanked to the 2500's after this since the Team was not working anymore, but the past week during Remix I climbed back to around Legend elo. But will I reach it next season? Honestly, I am not sure. But I am sure if I can do it, anyone else also can do it.
Also you speak about about the 51% winrate. There I agree. It is for most of us this way. Last season I also had a 51.6% winrate, but also hitting legend. So this does not avoid you from hitting it. What is helping me besides finding a Team i feel comfortable with is try really to concentrate, counting moves is a very important part in this. This part I also need to work more on. Know a lot of counts, but by far not all. Mostly I struggle in open leagues. Smaller metas is where I do better. Never for example reached legend in Open GL. There are simply so much more matchups you have to learn.😅
I also feel in some battles you back out too early if you get countered in the lead and swap, when you dont know what is in the back. Sometimes in this situation the back mon can simply sweep. happened to me a lot. Of course there are situation, where you simply cant do anything, but not always.
Also you often use extreme spice which might hold you back and makes it of course harder. But this is one reason why people like to watch your Videos. And even if I disagree in the "rigged" part of what you are saying, this also includes myself. So keep it up👍
I agree with this. As a legend player myself, he’s running pretty spicy mons / all shadow mons (super squish anyways) so its ultimately limiting how he’s able to play. Even if you have a hard lead, you can still win the counter swap, or your backline can win too. Also as far as win %, also right there. I reached legend w a 53% win percentage and it’s more so quality of wins versus quantity. One 5-0 is better than five 3-2s anyways
@@jonlien12 Pretty much agree. If you go 3-2 five times and then 0-5 it is frustrating to see all your progress gone. It is easy to blame the algorithm then.
And like I said, I also believe that there is some kind of algorithm, even Niantic said otherwise. It just cant be always bad luck, if you change your team and all of the sudden you encounter things, you did not saw before. There I agree with Poke. But it is there for all of us, we are all sitting in the same boat there and expierence it.
Know your team, know your matchups and surely you will improve. And a lot of people do. I am sometimes impressed of games in like the 2500's. People count moves perfectly, overfarm perfectly, throwing on CMP etc. Surely every one of those can reach legend. It are small things which makes the difference up there.
Also what is one of my biggest weaknesses. I am stubborn. If I find something that works, mostly I keep using it, thinking it has to work somehow. That was the reason, why I did not reach legend in like Season 11, even I was in the 2900's at one point. This was also the reason why I tanked to the 2500's this season, because I kept using the Legend Team which gave me around 600 elo only on day 1 of Go Battle Weekend. But it was not because the game was rigged. It would be too easy to say this.
@@YGK90 Yup, im pretty stubborn too. Used a team during fighting cup and climbed to 2749 after day 1 of go battle bay but have tanked to 2500. im at 2721 after today in OGL though
@@jonlien12 I havent touched OGL at all. I just hate it right now. 😅
And yeah this really sounds familiar to me. Anyway good luck in your battles trainer 🙂
Since players pay real world money for items and events that can help in GBL, there should be a class action lawsuit against Niantic and as part of it demand the exact way matches are decided and whether or not players are punished for speaking out against the company or Pokémon Go. I only now stopped getting hard countered after MONTHS. And what did I say to piss them off? I demanded they tell me when they would do their JOB and delete the account of someone I KNEW was cheating, reported time and time again mont after month while they sat on their @ss with their thumb up their butt.
There are soo many bots. You can test it by stopping attacking. Wait attack again, then stop again. The bots will only attack when you do.
Most of the time you don’t notice it, because you never stop testing it.
You should try noctowl, shadow a-slash and razor-leaf decideye or Alolan Raichu
I tanked early on to try and trick the algorithm into thinking I'm garbage and then went on a 100 streak on gbl day and now I made it to legend.
I think pretty much everyone also has a win rate of 50-56%? Even the pros
Absolutely appreciate you my Alaskan friend, wish we lived closer o i would definately come over for some coffee and hanging out. Ya know what i mean. Same personalities. Grind on Buddy👌 appreciate it
Ke Klein just gone forever now?! A whole 10 of them so I can catch Jirachi!
I gave up on the battle league...you start doing good and them boom
.you go up against someone that has the counter to all your pokemon
Always tryin to bring the man down 😔 f the algorithm
You have to lose every battle possible one day to win every battle possible the next day. Battle league is rigged
please tell me how the opponent has a defeated pokemon be recalled out in battel with 25 to 50% health restored from zero. I get this about 3 times a week, if I am battling a couple times a day. They dont get a full heal, but half way most of the time.
I often run into back-to back-to back non meta/non anti meta teams lol
games starting to protect casual players for years now has been the true downfall of gaming
Me and my partner run different teams and she gets pokémon that i never see so theres definitely a algorithm
Only if you had a fairy type and a psychic to counter the poison
Lots of people tend to say you can tell if your opponent is a bot if they stop attacking but that's not always true. If someone is respectable they will not attack when you are lagging and some strategic plays require not tapping in certain situations. Now I've faced players around the 2800s to the 2900s that have the default avatar, no pose, and a weird name. I am convinced those players are bots
Try
Victreebell or Venasaur
Stunfisk (ground/steel)
Lanturn
I never get electrics on my opponents team(GL Remix) when i used Qwilfish, Togetic and a trash Vigoroth. Once i upgraded my Vigoroth because the last one was successful all i got were trainers with A.Raichu, Raichu, and Stunfisk. Went 0 for 5 and cut the game off. Not sure what to do for today.
"Only bitches stick to the meta" 😂👏🏽
I lost 250 elo today and I’m happy because I got to snipe wallydog619
Algorithm won’t let me get passed level 20
Hell I didn't even think there was anything above level 20.😂 Never been above it.
What your showing is literally what I am currently and still going thru. Idk what or how they are setting up but I remember having a swampert as my lead and every 👏 👏single 👏match 👏 , my opponent had grass. I'm like wtf .
So I switch to stunfish as my lead and next thing I know I am facing a team of water or fire as their lead and im like really? And getting 0/5 from bots or freezing cheaters. Smh
G-fisk into a shadow swampert, I swap to an altaria, they grind in a-slash, I lose that, I bring in my noctowl and they have a nasty in the back
I just use the opposite of the recommended for ultra and great league and that seems to work won't well
How do y’all get past ace rank? I get screwed over every match every set & get hard countered? Any1 have good advice
Im not denying with you poke. But trying to convince people while using these spicy teams is hard. I would suggest that you use meta teams and show us these examples.
Love the vids!!
When I win 5-0 that's 100% a 0-5 next set all the time. No exceptions on that! Hard counter city when that happens! And I stop playing GBL for three days after that.
I just made rank 15 and got the round where you rare candy, got hard countered all 5 times lol
I am always stuck on ace never higher I’m hardlocked I have friends who are veteran and higher and I beat them a lot of the time
Same. I get HARD countered 95% of the time oh & sometimes lag,etc also screws me over
@@user-xv1sr3uy7p same here it’s so bad
I hate when you reach level 20 it tasks forever to get to 23 cause it starts counting the rating score on the battles you’ve made. So damn annoying.
I got a hundo Wobuffet from Gbl yesterday.
If you can't beat them, join em.
I'm using staraptor cradily and shadow quag. Covers alot of the meta for me. I get bad leads alot too. GL poke
I am in same boat it's crazy the algorithm ughhhh....