Building the Content that Drives the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Economy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2015
- Talking during GDC 2014, Valve's Bronwen Grimes explains that when the company decided to add an economy to Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, "we were faced with two huge challenges. First, we needed to create enough content to satisfy over a million players with only two artists. That part wasn't so bad. Second, we needed to figure out what our players valued. Learn how we reduced our content creation time so that we could focus on design, and find out what we discovered about making an economy successful."
I can't believe I watched 1 hour of Skyler White explaining csgo skins to me. No regrets
Building the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Economy is pretty damn easy. just win the pistol round, the anti eco and you should be good to go.
edit: if theres actually any chance of anybody of csgo seeing this -> please implement decent vulva servers e.g. 128
- hitreg fixes
- hitbox fixes
- teleporting people fix
- revert awp nerf :^)
- implement a feature so that if ure constantly playing really good (based on stats, kda, score idk) ure more likely to face off against (semi-)pros. i know you implemented a feature where if a player plays on a major his team logo is in his client, so i bet you can implement this feature too! it would make it so much easier for me to go pro rather than having to rely on finding decent playing mates so that one gets the attention of organisations.
edit 2: adding music-kits over fixing the main problems of your best game seems brain-dead to me (no offense), i see why you would use this to make profit but i dont know anybody who makes use of any music kits as they are only distracting and have only one good use: indicating whether or not one will be able to get the defuse.
edit 3: free howls for everybody and dlores with a gabeN face instead of a scope, ty *rito* ehm volvo.
Kidneyspears Yeah, the people who licensed the musics and the 1 IT guy who coded the music kits in 5 minutes should really get to work on the game engine.
ricsixd they should be fired and they should hire experts for the things i listed above (mainly anti cheat, coding dunno whats the job called behind this) instead.
Kidneyspears "- implement a feature so that if ure constantly playing really good (based on stats, kda, score idk) ure more likely to face off against (semi-)pros"
or you know, advance a rank?
im ge and have yet to meet a single pro ingame.
Insane how they figured it all out so long ago including floats, patterns, wears and trade ups.
This woman thinks logically and is very intelligent and thinks from the perspective of players. Please put her in charge of weapon balancing, I'm serious.
she was fired I think shortly after this
+The Law She was never fired.
I am from the future: They didn’t put her in charge and did exactly the opposite of what she is talking about.
@@jurgenpeters1373the r8 would like introduce itself 😂😂😂
How can valve be so self aware and then basically do everything they said they were trying to prevent?
That's was a very interesting talk, thank you for uploading this stuff.
How have I only watched this now? This was such a good talk.
I have no words to say, this talk really shows why valve is one of the best on what it does. I would like to work one day with people like this. That's how it's supposed to be.
28:35 "Skins don't have any gameimpact at all"
I aren't think that. Whenever I go on a custom dm server with choosable knifes and get myself a karambit I feel like my concentration doubles
+artsYedITs you feel hot right?
yes!
+artsYedITs It's psychological thinking.
+artsYedITs ye its psychological, I feel sharper. I have a karambit and asiimov :D
What ever happened to the M4A4 Blaze and the AWP | Blue Energy. I felt so bad at 41:00 when she talks about the disliked skins and how they all camo , like these were her personal favourites. This is so interesting because they were already speaking about Free to Play CS back in 2014. She said "We need to address cheating if we go free to play" so clearly Valve thinks VAC is good enough back in 2018 when they made CS free to play
watching this again 9 years later feels crazy. look at the scarcity and prices today. single skins up to millions. Insane price bumps.
30$ fire serpent?? please tell me where i can find that??
Le Frenchyest Fry This video is from 2014 when the fire serpent was just like any other covert skin, plus there were less players buying items at the time so everything was cheaper
Pickup - CS:GO Content
Back when the keys cost 1.59€...
exactly
Le Frenchyest Fry "Talking during GDC 2014, Valve's Bronwen Grimes explains" read next time so you don't embarrass yourself.
+Le Frenchyest Fry (Frenchy) Those weren't actual prices, I'm fairly sure those numbers were just used as examples.
7:15 GJ remembering that
ZeuS and Grenadeskins pls.
And 128tick ofc.
***** LOL!
Lowfry Zeus has such a low utility though. See, I learned from this video.
superghost6 Zeus best eco weapon.
until you miss..
Lowfry no grenadeskins
fire serpent costing 30$...and then it was considered expensive lmao
yeah indeed ! best all times of tf2! But maybe game did can see esport million peaks everydays ! +1 Seriously after 10 years devopler any valve games aboned from by valve.
@@C.A._Old Okayeg
@@schmallboi9282 no you never will.
This is really fascinating.
Looks like they fired her and got XxX_Sniper69 from cod instead.
+AwesomeGamer I heard COD developpers helped CS:GO devs making the R8
+AwesomeGamer brb 1 tapping myself
+Cold Fire do you know why? Im almost halfway through but she seems great...
+AwesomeGamer They never fired her.
Arvid Not the joke.
23:28 not gonna lie that m4a4 blaze looks really good.
3kliksphilip :P :P :P :P :P Kappa Keepo
+Jekuttaja94 Kappa ?
is that some kind of antient languedge?
+Lucian Language*
where?
he related to this video in some of his videos
pls 128 tick
+rey kone Technology just isn't there yet.
***** It's a joke.
+rey kone idiot
germantank k nazi
rey kone I see you are rly stupid :3
i´ve thinking in a programmer point of view. and is just a texture layers mixed with eachother and etc.
now i have seen this video, i have learn another point of view.
didnt expected such complicate things in a simple game. i usualy just point and shoot. like any casual player.
I love you, Brownen!
7:54 - Well that went down the drain when the R8 Revolver came out.
Thanks kliksphillip!
51:30 Did the audio glitch out or are my headphones broken already?
truly one of the greatest and most influential talks in modern gaming
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:01 💡 This talk discusses the content that drives the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (CSGO) economy and its importance in player engagement.
00:43 📈 Valve measures the success of the economy in CSGO by monitoring player numbers, player retention, and individual playtime.
02:20 🎮 Drawing inspiration from economies in other Valve games like Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2, CSGO adds an economy to encourage player participation and interaction.
04:22 🌈 Valve decides to focus on creating weapon skins as a key component of the economy, offering a wide range of customization options to players.
12:39 🎨 To efficiently create a large variety of weapon skins, Valve uses procedural coloration techniques, automating the process with shaders and texture inputs.
20:09 💎 Creating a procedural compositing system for generating infinite textures in real-time.
22:38 🎨 Introducing anodized effects by tinting specular highlights with base texture color.
27:08 💼 Community workshop allows players to create and contribute weapon finishes.
28:44 🔎 Conspicuousness and rarity play significant roles in determining the value of items.
39:56 🎯 Players favor anodized, metallic, and bright finishes with predominant single colors.
41:34 🎮 The goal of the economy in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive was to improve player longevity, provide fun, and create value for players in multiple ways.
42:14 💼 Initially, bright items were sorted by risk rather than value to mitigate potential negative player reactions. This strategy was proven wrong, and bright items became highly desirable.
43:22 📊 Valve aimed to avoid collapsing the design space by understanding and defining facets of luxury, such as aesthetics, scarcity, and utility, to provide a broad range of value for players.
45:12 📈 The addition of the economy led to increased player numbers, retention, and longer playtimes, indicating that the goals were met successfully.
56:45 💡 Stat Track items, which track kills on weapons, add a fun element and have intrinsic value, but most of their marketplace value comes from scarcity.
Made with HARPA AI
now i fully understand that Valve is always doing a logical, deep consideration and scientific research before making any content or changes including skins, cheater issue and also a new franchise game, always focusing on long terms
Yep. One of the pillars in their dev cycle is player feedback, and it really shows.
Yep. One of the pillars in their dev cycle is player feedback, and it really shows.
18:26 the inspiration for this update
Cosmetic always will be the candy on the cake for me, however the tech talk was interesting
3kliksphillip? Anyone else? :)
of course :D and i bet there will be a lot more under this comment :)
eyyy
der dendunichtkennst me
im number 5. yay
While other GDC presentation talked about how to make a good game etc. volvo talks about how to make that sweet sweet moneh
Amazing how Valve is ok with using gambling techniques on children, and brag about how effective it is. Its amazing how quickly people grow accustomed to anything shitty.
*kids* in an 18+ game -_-
the game is rated M, for mature, meaning that kids shouldn't be playing this game, at all.
Captain Shite Stain I am not saying it's not shit but your argument is flaud and very very backwards thinking and yes if kids gamble it's their parent's fault not valve's
so a 16 year old has enough responsibility to drive, but not play a video game?
and if kids gamble on a video game, that means they had access to gambling. which legally, they cannot have. I'm not a genius, and I don't know the perfect solution to keep minors from gambling in cs:go, but it's certainly not the parent's fault for not knowing that the video game they're buying for their children has a gambling aspect to it.
IMO skins serve as an income for Valve without actually doing anything, as some people who bought CS:GO for no more than €11 also spend hundreds of Euros on skins or keys. Especially now that they even let community members themselves do the majority of the work: coming up with new skins. I'd like to emphasize that I don't consider this a bad thing; rather, this is a very clever way of making more money that I can only admire as it even works on me. So far, I've spent at least €300 on skins; that's 5 times the price of the newest Call of Duty on Steam, which obviously took more effort to make than some skin for CS. As for the other economy-heavy game, Team Fortress 2, I was never going to buy it because I didn't like the graphics and its multiplayer-only nature; but I picked it up when it became free to play, and spent about €100 on keys and items. It's especially ridiculous because I rarely even see my TF2 cosmetics ingame (only when I'm killed or taunting), unlike in CS:GO.
Edit: I just realized there have been weapon skins in TF 2 for quite some time, too; so please, ignore my last sentence. Inb4 they introduce hats to CS:GO.
Fire Serpent for $30... Sometimes I wish I could travell back in time and could buy a dozen of Howls, Fire Serpents and such...
me too
Things CSGO needs:
-128 Tick MM
-Balancing
Things that are useless but nice to have:
-Skins
-Music kits
No.. Maybe at ge Level but beyond that Nobody Needs 128 tick
Barely anybody would notice
And csgo is balanced.. So what?
+pSyk Does not need balancing. Have you ever played any other competetive multiplayer game? Tf2 gg.. Cod gg.. anything else gggg.
+pSyk 128 tick is too much for the current internet infrastructure, many people dont have the bandwidth to properly play on it, it's like releasing games that only people with 400$ GPU's can play, we just aren't there yet.
ver xy Battlefield e.g. takes up WAY more internet.
pSyk lmao those games run on like 12 tick my friend, they are more complex but by far dont force your PC to upload as often as in cs, and upload < download.
That's pretty interesting!
why is the lightning bolt on the awp lightning strike SOOOOO low res omg. PLEASE
well it's mainly because they control the drop rate of the weapon, the lower the chance of it dropping the more expensive it is... it's not that the community chose it to be expensive.
At 40:21 she mentions "some of these are only worth 50c" the one she points out to is now worth more than $400. Food for thought.
HELLO
WHAT HAPPEN TO SPRAY PATTERNS
??????
SHE WAS NEVER FIRED
you are welcome
She is a good talker, good dialect as well.
I wish they'd give an updated talk about how freaking massive the CSGO market has become. $30 fire serpent lol... ST FN is like $4500 these days? And the regular weapon is ~$350?
Lol it’s even bigger now
Today's peak amount of players: 623,905 (only below Dota 2)
CS:GO has grown a lot, and this is one of the main reasons.
This video was so hard to find
They call us customers.. I would prefer the word players. Its a game not a store.
+jojagro You are a player until you start buying things.
***** makes sense.
+jojagro it's a store to them
+jojagro well, we are the their customers.
Well Valve makes games and run a community that sells games (Steam) so technically it would be correct to say "customer"
I'd like to see a skin that gained more wear when you get kills, however people would abuse this (like they do with statrak) with "idle" servers
I'd abuse the shit out of it just to have a black White-Out.
I wanted to know if case opening is legitimately random chance or if the item you get is determined by an algorithm built by valve
+Ryan Lafleche look at it this way, the chance you get an exceedingly rare item is 0.4%. Just google it you should find it.
+Lorenzo Laurieri yeah but who said that? random source or valve?
KyotoGrimm Well a few people have run the numbers but more or less it seems that may be the case
its an algorythm for it to be random
+KyotoGrimm 3kliksphilip based it on his review of Tweeday's 24 hour case opening stream.
7:52
23:09 I need that m4a4 skin....
Isn't it just a "Hot Rod" skin meets "Bullet Rain" skin for M4A4, instead of the M4A1-S?
People always disagreed with me when I say, "Skins is what brought CS:GO back to life. Without them the game would have died." . But right here is a VALVe employee near the end showing the player count charts from game launch to the current time of the event. Let's face it, CS:GO in 2012 to when skins were released was very bad and boring, but somehow...VALVe seemed to have gotten their shit together and made the game fun again (albeit most players just care about skins because E.Z money).
@@user-qw2lv2wx9i it did a lot
She is F***ing genious, sad that she left valve.
Most of them do. I wonder why?
And now please do an equal elaborate presentation on how you gonna fix the cheater problem in the game! Thanks
I r8 the R8 8/8, gr8 value m8, only h8ers gon' h8, the risk involved was 0/8.
i remember watching this when it came out, i swear you couldnt understand any of its significance at the time
Came here from 3kliksphilip
same
+hamdelta1 same
+hamdelta1 Same
+hamdelta1 this was so intresting to watch :D Now i have so much hope that maybee the taser and other things will get skins xD and also just about the future proofness of cs :)
Haha yea bro! swisswinnerboy
this is clever man
this woman and her team essentially made valve more billions of dollars than i can perceive
HOLY SHIT DUDE THEY CAME UP WITH FUCKING SOUVENIR PACKAGES TOO
the moment they put new weapons behind loot boxes is the moment I quite the game
Why? Can't you play without skins?
Interesting to look back at this 6 years later lmao
love
So even weapons with the same skin and model look different?
Yeap
3kliksphillip sent me
Zeus Skins would be nice!:)
at 23:08 is the m4a4 hot rod
22:40 M4A4 Hot Rod confirmed
I want quality to be upgraded on a ST weapon reaches 99999
Would be cool
The only way you have that many kills on a stat trak weapon is by going on farming servers, no point doing that. Also, there are some skins that come in stat trak but not in all rarities, for example there is no mw or fn awp asiimov.
51:07
lol.
valve, what haven't we learned since this?
She has a really nice voice.
suddenly R8 revolver
1 year later, stickers the MOST polarizing shit ever made
looks like they didnt look into economies that include discontinued legacy items
or even just expendable items in general
this lady is fuckin' smart
35:28 for anyone who wonders (including me)
18:23 - bottom left = XX_360noscope_sm0k3w33d_XX gun
Wow the R8 really works with this model. Not really though; I'm joking.
did she even mention knives? :D
Back when Valve was semi-innocent
30$ fire serpent :'( Why didn't I hoard them...
They committed back than that the agents are a bad idea and they could make the game less fun for the enemy. Sadly they still added it. Maybe they could do a patch so the agents are only visible to your own team. Interresting to see that Valve is so aware of what they did with these skins.
They should make it an toggleable option in settings to disable/enable agent skins
40:20 lol'd at $0.50 whiteout
you guys need to get hackshield
@ 0:42 aaaaaaaaand how we made an abdolute fuckton of money
that bravo... never fix to games. Lazys developers. 2000's developers was awesome.
I really like her. :3
It’s about greeeeeeeeddddddd moneeeyyyyy
bring the spray paint available on the pubs only not on the mm !!!!!PLEASE!!!
the good time when a Fire serpent was worth $30.. now its 100 times that :P
If only you could take money on steam and put it on like a visa or Paypal ect...
totally dismissed about the gambling portion of how the economy plays
5:59 ... CS:GO art team consisting of 2 people... what a fucking joke. With the exception of GameFreaks (who make the Pokemon games) Valve is probably the best funded single games studio in the world.
they are small indie company they dont have money for additional developers
The girl that carried CSGO.
she is cuted i creamed hard over her
@@aiisnice1453yo wtf
They should remove the one drop per week thing.It sucks
I think its funny how they appeared to be really happy with achieving 100,000 concurrent players and that only 2 years later they get roughly 8x that!
Sounds super nervous at the start
The irony after the latest update is over 9000.
P.s They did the exact opposite of what they said from 7:15 onwards.
she was fired I think shortly after this
more like printing money...for Vavle themselves...lowest invest highest return...Gabe swims in money in his dreams...
That's so sad. Disgusting. I understand, economy. the world. but this is vile if anyone here didnt realize.
Yo my name is skyler white