Behringer UMC204HD - Using The Inserts
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Finally ... Someone who made what I needed. Thanks a lot
I'm so glad i was able to help!! :)
I use mine with the insert 2 dedicated to my Cranborne EC-1 preamp/headphone amp. Great little interface for the money.
I was searching for the answer but couldn't find it anywhere. Thank you so much for your clear explanation!
The fact that both channels have seperate effects is amazing! I didn't know that when I bought it and I would never had known without this video, thank you!
Thank you Eric. This was wildly helpful. Just got a UMC404HD and had no idea what those did. Thanks again.
Thank you I can now destroy my frieds' hearing plugging in a ds1 while I'm on discord
Perfect. This was exactly what I needed to know about using my pedals. Short, easy to understand and to the point! Thank you.
finally, somebody who can explain in less than 5 minutes
Simple, clear and to the point. Thank you
Eric, Thanks a million you explained this clearer than anyone else on TH-cam!
Excellent review, this kind of information about the inserts sometimes is very difficult to find for us, the novices in audio hardware. Maybe this kind of connections for inserts are common in professional audio, but is new for us. Thanks!
Pro tip: bypassing the Behringer's preamps for less noise when recording line level devices: Use standard ts cable and plug about 80% into the insert jack (so that the tip of the cable touches the ring of the jack which is the return input).
Or, if you dare, cut off those heads and put on a TRS, and solder to the R & S !
OMG !!
I racked my brain on how to use the inserts because I thought they were just returns and I was looking for a way to get the signal out of the interface.
I truly had the enlightenment of my LIFE when you put the adapters together
lol
No shit, you saved my day xD
Straight to the point, clear & VERY helpful - thank you! 👏👏🙂
Good to finally know what those are for. I don't understand the advantage of using the insert as opposed to simply direct-lining a chain directly into the front input jack -- for instance, 1/4" from guitar to pedal, 1/4' from pedal to input 1. As I write this though I imagine it might be convenient for some setups to simply have the outboard effects set up via the insert and to swap gear in the front input without having to fuss with it. In any case thanks for the info!
If you use outboard gear like compressors and eq then you'd prefer to have them as inserts so all you habe to do is plug whatever Mic you want into the interface. It has its advantages in keeping signal chain a bit more clean and convenient for swapping stuff. Specially since most outboard uses line ins and outs anyway.
@@EricFaries Yes, it makes complete sense now -- this could save a lot of time and keep things clean, organized, and efficient when in workflow. Nothing worse than having to crawl behind the rack to fiddle with I/O's every time you want to swap a mic.
@@jccpiano So the only advantage is not to have to plug stuff in the front but in the back? No other benefits? Not worth the extra 30 bucks for me I guess.
Your's the only video that goes straight to the point and answers how to plug the pedal into a interface. Today I bought an adapter, but it didn't work without the TRS cable.
if you have 3.5 mm normal sound cables you can use them with small 3.5 to quarter inch adapters as well. The cable can be a 3.5 mm one instead of a quarter inch TRS one.
Very Clear you should have WAY MORE LIKES!!!
THANK You this helped me understand how to use this thing way better!
Thanks so much for this. I've got the UMC404HD which is the same but with 2 more channels
I was actually wondering what they were for and how they work. Thanks
that was an excellent tutorial brother!
so well explained!
peace n` love x
Hey, thanks! I was looking for this everywhere.
thanks for this! short and on point!
best explanation, all videos i saw before that one were like 30 minutes, i just want to know how to do it ! thanks !!
Thank you!
Thank you for this. I've read a few articles, but the configuration didn't click until you succinctly yet thoroughly explained it in this video.
Anyone know if this can then be utilized as an external audio effect in Ableton?
many thanks for info!
Thank you so much!!
I was scratching my head wondering what I'd use the inserts for then I remembered I have an Alesis 3630 compressor sitting in the closet. Gonna try it out for my streaming mic when the insert cables get here in a few days.
You still alive? I just got a 3630 but having trouble running it through my UMC204 interface. The LED lights are active, but only when I use the MAIN OUT L/R jacks instead of the 1 & 2 inserts (I get no signal from the 3630)
I’ve tried in FL Studio 20 and Ableton Live 11. I get signal when using MAIN OUT but when I fiddle with the knobs on the 3630, nothing changes at all. It’s not bypassed but it sounds like it is
Edit: the insert cable im using is a dual red/black one, if that makes any difference
@@lavenderllamamusic Hard to say, just know that the inserts will not affect computer playback only the inputs. If you are trying to use the 3630 to compress the output from the pc then the main outs would make sense.
Nice, simple and straight to the point. I was wondering, you were using guitar compression padel. Do you use it for vocal recording? If yes, please share in which extend you are having compression effect on voice recording. This particular advantage of this unit is intriguing me. Cheers..
Thank you so much for your clear explanation!
Wow I always wondered. Thank you
Great help!
So in a general sense it works the same way a real amp set up would. Where in the preamp in this case instead of an actual amp is the interface and The difference is the back part works somewhat like a dedicated input for fx or can even function as an fx loop
Why did it take me so long to find this video! Been scratching my head for ages trying to work this out. You are a star, thanks
Simple and useful.
Man, this is beyond awsome
Great job ! Thank you for the video and details !
Very, very useful, indeed. Thank you very much.
TY!
very useful vid. question: can you use it with stereo effect?
Very helpful information. Thanks!
Thank you. 👍🖖
감사합니다^^ 한국에서 404hd를 쓰는 사용자 입니다. 너무 쉬운 설명에 큰 도움이 됐습니다.. 먼리 한국에서 (korea) 인사 드림
Google translate to the rescue hehe. I'm so glad you found this video helpful :)
I love how it is so quiet even on C1
The device manual does not explain how to connect it. You have helped me a lot. Thank you.
Yeah that's honestly why i did the video. Felt weird that a pretty good feature would get barely anything in the manual as to how to use it.
Appreciate your great tutorials!!! Great clips!!! Have you already tried to connect the Digitech Trio+ to the Behringer UMC204HD? Would be soooo interested!!!!
Tengo una mezcladora XENYX Q802USB y por medio de ella puedo escuchar música que tengo en alta resolución en Mila computadora. Pero la interfaz solo permite audio de 16 bit/48 kHz. En el caso de la UMC204HD, ¿es posible escuchar audio procedente de Windows por la salida de audífonos de la interfaz a 192 kHz?
I can't get his interface working in windows. I have REALLY low mic input volume. +48 on Pad OFF
I have both the UMC22 and this. The former has full loud mic input @9 oclock and the UMC204HD has barely any Mic input volume with the gain all the way up.
I have tired the ASIO drivers, Re-installing windows (1903) and loads of other troubleshooting,
Are you running 1809?
That was very informative 🍻
But what if I want to use the same effects unit on insert 1 & 2? Or if I want to use multiple effects for let's say insert 1? Would I have to buy a unit that has multiple effects already in it or is it possible to connect several single units to insert 1 with some sort of special cables?
I want to use "Crimple" in my everyday conversations
I understand that for microphones it is needed because the signal is too low before reaching the preamp.
In the case of guitars, is there any advantage of using inserts for your fx chain, instead of just going guitar > pedalboard > interface?
Not really. The effect will basically be the same in most cases, since the signal is getting effected before it records.
@@EricFaries Thanks! Good to know.
Thank you! That´s what I was looking for :)
Omg how can I have never known about that to be possible?! So many opportunities! Hahha
Thank you!!!
Nice video! do you happen to know if the insert is before or after the internal pre-amp in the UMC204HD?
Will this differ from routing your guitar through the pedal, then into the input of the interface?
I have the same question. If I have 5 pedals, do I use insert, or I go straight in after my last pedal?
Excellent explanation thank you 👍😁🎸
Lmfao I am actually impressed that Behringer went to full Mixer Style insert cables. These cables are used quite heavily in bigger Mixing desks ( Allen and Heath etc.). Nice video!!!
Very helpful, thank you!
Very well explained!
Can I use it for an expression pedal to control it with softwares like guitar rig?
This was super useful, thanks!
+++REP!!! thx, i searching this answer, very long... thx bro)
Very informative! Thanks! 👍🏻
Thanks bro..
THANKS FOR THE INFO , IT WAS EXCELENT
Can I ask your help a bit? I'm still super confused :D so I'm beginner at all this, but the setup I'm trying to put together would be 2 lines:
A - Behringer Crave + Behringer Superfuzz + JOYO R-09 VISION + Zoom - MS-70CDR reverb
B - Arturia Keylab Essential 88
Line A would make a base drone music kinda ambient music/noise, and I would use the keyboard to play the melody on the top. Later I would also like to add some kind of drum machine or sample. So my question... how do I connect all these? Is the UMC204HD suitable to then have all these connected into my computer / recording device (Zoom H1n)? Should I connect the keyboard into my laptop directly, and the other stuff through the interface? How do I use this setup without a laptop? (live set)
If the UMC204HD is not suitable, then can you suggest me something else?
This video really helped!!! Keep doing videos like this!!! I will suscribe just for this video
Thanks : )
Very nice
Thanks for clarifying. I have a umc404hd with 4 inserts. Nowhere in Behringers user manual does it describe how to use the inserts. Not even a diagram. But hey what else is new from behringer.
Can we Connect two Condenser Microphons at a time with Phantom Power on .... in "Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD"? and record as Stereo in Cubase pro
Yes, the phantom power can give power to both microphone jacks, and they can be recorded as stereo in your DAW
can you chain the pedals before sending it back the insert? like for example:
Insert>Compressor>Chorus>Delay>Reverb>Back to Insert
Absolutely! This is actually one of the many reasons why having (and using) a proper effects loop (insert) is so much preferable to simply adding effects directly to the instrument, or even worse, the mic signal:
- If you chain many pedals before the preamp (front side input on the Behringer), all the noise, interferences and the quality loss affects the (weak) signal before any amplification has taken place. These disturbances thus have a much greater impact on your recording signal. An effects loop, on the other hand, operates at line level, which is quite a bit louder than an electric guitar output and much louder than a mic signal. The interferences produced by your effects chain should be negligible to this line signal amplitude.
- Some effects like compression or limiters (the ones that affect the amplitude of a signal) are usually set up to work with line-level input signals. A guitar signal might still work, but probably not optimally. However, a mic signal is definitely not suited as an input signal for these effects. If you look at channel strips for mic signal processing (e.g., dbx 286 s), the signal is always preamplified first to bring it up to line level and then processed further.
- If you use standard effects pedals before the preamp, you sacrifice any chance of getting a balanced input signal from your instrument/mic to your interface. Effect loops use unbalanced connections (standard mono with one ground and one hot wire) by default. Since working at line level, they are relatively robust against interferences (see above), even for long cable connections and many serial throughputs. Again, this might not be of great importance for a guitar signal, but for microphones, this would mean that you would have to use an XLR-to-mono-jack adapter cable, which converts the balanced mic signal to an unbalanced one, which you would plug into your effects chain. If you use this as an input signal to the interface and amplify it with the gain appropriate for a mic-level signal, you will get MUCH more noise and interferences on your recording signal.
Also, I think some interfaces by default assume a different input level for XLR vs. jack (TRS) plug, since usually an XLR corresponds to a mic and a jack corresponds to a guitar or other instrument. So you might even have to convert back from mono-jack to XLR before inserting it into the interface input. Total nightmare!
Can I use this to connect my guitar preamp? I don't want to put the preamp in front of the AI... I want to use some plugins before and after my guitar preamp to pratice and recording; so: can I use my preamp like this?
With my budget due the situation I can buy the UCM204HD, not the 404 ... I don't have experience on these things , I saw some videos, but this: specifity well explained I can't find; if I do the "easy" way - just inserting my preamp on the Behringer insert, can I work with the physical "insert" as like a typical "signal chain" on the DAW? Thanks
Example: Audiority Heavy Pedal or TSE R47 > "INSERT" > Other plugins ... I see that I can do that with the "RealInsert" but how can I do it with the physical insert on the AI? Can I add the Insert 1 or 2 like a plugin on the signal chain? Thanks again.
Yes, as far as i can tell this should let you use your guitar preamp. Think of the inserts as an effects loop. There's a send, which goes out to your preamp or other audio device, and then from that device goes into the receive of the insert.
@@EricFaries Thank you, yes I can use the preamp, so if this act as a FXLoop so I can put the insert 1 or 2 as a "BLOCK" inside the "signal chain" of the DAW like it's possible on the HX Effects by Line6? ... So I can use some overdrive boost (plugins) before my physical preamp ... some effects before and some after ... ? Thank you again buddy. I'm almost to buy the Behringer UCM204HD + the Headphone amp ... but if I cannot do that I'll buy the EVO 4 so I just plug my preamp before the Audio Interface, but for me will be important to use be flexible with the preamp + plugins...
thanks for this tutorial, very helpfull.
i have a question, what if the behringer umc204hd with tc helicon harmony singer, how its the set up ?
thanks so much.
you saved my day :D
what's the benefit of this vs just running your signal through the pedal into the input?
Thanks , man!
Ok, so I understand how inserts work and interact with the inputs. But here's my question where the inserts are concerned. Can the inserts be used to facilitate re-amping a recorded track? I bought a re-amp box thinking I could just route a signal out from an output through a signal chain and back into my UMC404HD using an input, but really only got a lot of noise. Could that be done using an already recorded track? Basically, I have guitar tracks on a song which were recorded with software amps, but I want to run those clean signals through external amps to use my current gear. So far everything I've tried has had 1 key part missing. lol. Can't get it done.
Hmm, i've not tried using the inserts to send the signal out to a re-amp box. From what i've found online of others having issues with re-amping with the smaller interfaces, is that they're max output level is too low, normally being around +3dbu. On larger interfaces, like my UMC1820, the output is much higher at +16dbu, so it would be able to re-amp better. That may just be a limiting factor of using these smaller models. I'd have to do research to see if any smaller interfaces pump out a higher output level, but atm i at least know this model cannot do it well.
Tq men...your video great
Great video! The insert routing of this interface is serial or paralel? As I think is serial but i'm not sure of it. Hope you can help me with this.
I'm glad to see this before I could brick my UMC 204....
I need help guys🤦🏾♂️ I have a UMC404HD and a Xenyx Behringer CONTROL2USB I want to run audio out of my monitors using the Control 2 and record audio threw the UMC404HD anyone know how to do this ?
Thanks for the informative video. Can we hook up an Expression Pedal to Inserts on UMC204HD?
great tutorial. thank you. is there a way to connect an insert reverb to hear it singing but not record it on the daw?
Genial, súper bien explicado 😊
New musician word... Crimpled lLOL
I have a external preamp that sounds very good, If I plug in that as a insert will it bypass the preamp on the Behringer? Great video!
Hi great video thx...one question is possible conect avdio receiver to Behringer UMC204HD. I have 2 studio monitor connect into main out L and R. But I would also listen to tapes through a Sony receiver it is also possible connect Sony receiver? thx
So, meaning ,the inputs in inserts are TRS? Because i tried 2 monos split in inserts 1&2 and no sound, but if you pull the plugs in a half will work.that is actually i wanna know is the inserts are mono or TRS?Thanks for the vid.
This is so simple the way you showed the Inserts. Behringers website is hard to understand. And manual also.
With only Ring is possible bypass internal preamp and to use one external preamp?
Helpful vid! So do the inserts only affect audio as it's being recorded, or can they be used in the mixing process after recording using sends?
After somethings already been recorded, you'd have to use a seperate input and output to process your outboard gear. For example with the UMC404HD I send audio out channel 3 --> outboard unit --> input 4. Then I monitor from stereo outputs 1 and 2 in my DAW. Unfortunately, the output of that 3 and 4 is only adjustable within pro tools, at the respective channel fader.
@@tonysanders4925 Hello, i tried this but it doesnt work for me. Could you please help me with that?
i thought it was for line inputs where i can record guitars/bass or any instruments that can be plugged in
Hello sir can ask a question? the umc 204hd, it is possible to connect with the mixer thanks...
(also known as a standard stereo breakout cable...)
Very cool. Any way to use one pedal to affect all the inputs at same time?
..umm, so I have a wah pedal, and I guess I could use that.. but when I set it to bypass it will turn off.. actually how does this work - or how different is it then just routing it before the mic input .. and I guess you could daisy chain like a pedal board?
Yeah i would use the inserts for when you want to send already recorded audio out to a device for processing. Otherwise if you're using like a pedalboard, just have that go directly in the front input unless you want to have a clean recording of your guitar as well.
I need help! I just got an Alesis 3630 compressor, but having trouble running it through my UMC204 interface. The LED lights are active, but only when I use the MAIN OUT L/R jacks instead of the 1 & 2 inserts (I get no signal from the 3630)
I’ve tried in FL Studio 20 and Ableton Live 11. I get signal when using MAIN OUT but when I fiddle with the knobs on the 3630, nothing changes at all. It’s not bypassed but it sounds like it is
Edit: the insert cable im using is a dual red/black one, if that makes any difference
help me very very much, thanks!