How is Horner "fighting for another team" here? He clearly says a penalty would be within the rules. Sure, he calls the rule rubbish, but that's not fighting for another team.
@@riquelmeone He said he thinks the rule is rubbish and that it should be changed. That's fighting for another team. However, he's also fighting for fairness to all parties (every other driver on the grid, not just his own) by saying that a penalty is within the rules (he's not saying that Nico should be given one) and that its up to the FIA to decide.
@@thelegend5243 bro Rosberg was a beast and so was hamilton. Yes he got lucky as well, but so did Hamilton in multiple of his winner years. Its F1, part of the game
The rule was a bit whacky but it came about because of drivers like Rosberg who were getting coached on nearly every part of the lap. His engineer would be looking over Hamiltons data and feeding him every little thing, it was proper over the top. To be fair to Rosberg he was able to take all that input and often match or beat Hamilton. Not many drivers can do that.
I'm all for less driver coaching through team radio but when there's a clear problem which could lead to retiring that is when the coaching should be allowed. The rule in 2016 was a bit too strict
Crofty said it best... "What do you want to see? Drivers being forced to retire from a race because they haven't read the 900 page manual notes and know exactly what to do and identify a problem with 200 mph?!"
I don’t think the problem is that they get to say stuff it is that they get to have so much information available at a moments notice. Most of the metrics should only be able to be seen post race and in practice
Dumb rule. There's a monumental difference between "OK down to 4th gear for this corner, less throttle in and faster out" and "do this to avoid blowing up the car". An evolution of this rule probably could exist, but it was far too bluntly enforced in 2016
Nowadays it seems it’s gotten closer to the former, lol! Personally I’m ok with it: all the teams can do it and share to the drivers, so it’s a level playing field. I think the better drivers don’t need it and the lesser drivers will be overwhelmed/not help, so don’t think it’s made too much difference over time IMHO
I think this type of rule is a silly solution. If they don't want engineers to feed their drivers too much data, they should limit the data and not what the engineers can say.
Its funny how they literally did a 180 with that rule. Now it's full on coaching. I remember when Lando had to close a gap because of a penalty in Austria 2020 and his engineer was telling him what do to for every single corner lmao.
I’m not gonna lie this rule was quite rubbish. Maybe in the old times it’s more plausible but not now when there’s so many things to manage in the cockpit.
I know it happened before this race, but you mentioning him having so much to manage while driving sort of epitomizes that famous "A short view back to the past…" press conference question
So, basically it’s the same what toto said regarding the technology. Bravo and you didn’t lie as well. Masterful thinking there mate. Any other grand revelations rtard?
No it was a good rule. Poorly enforced but teams coaching drivers to paper over their inability to adapt and problem solve is bad for the sport. McLaren is a good example, in Imola this year there was a period in the final stint where the race engineer was effectively calibrating each corner for Lando, telling him to take 5kph less on entry or add 10 bar of braking or to use a different gear. The drivers should have to make these decisions and drive the car, they shouldn’t be aided by teams who are looking at the data. They should only be able to talk to the driver about vehicle systems (like Mercedes did here).
"Avoid 7th gear" "What does that mean, I mean I have to shift through it" "Affirm, you have to shift through it" Giving me lowkey Ferrari engineer vibes 😂😂
Telling him to reset the car "chassis default 01" and avoid 7th gear was fine in the eyes of the stewards, but telling him how to do it, i.e. "you have to shift through it" was driver coaching and too much for the stewards and the rules at the time.
@@MrJohansen i agree. nico knew what he had to do since he asked 'what does that mean? do i have to shift through it?', and the race engineer just clarifies it by answering, 'affirm', so technically its bound by the rules. well, based on the fia's record, it's no surprises that they constantly makes controversial decisions.
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race - I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?
It’s a sport not just for deciding who’s the champion driver, but also to be the pinnacle of Motorsport engineering. A lot of inventions and development has gone from f1 to outgoing road cars. So yes, to say as the pinnacle of Motorsport and be the pioneer in the development of next gen automobiles, it needs to be complicated and more buttons to control such tech.
Christian actually called the rule rubbish, and that Sky Sports moron Simon Lazenby just told Toto that Christian wants a penalty. This is how rumors and fights get started. Lazenby is arguably the worst lead presenter ever in any F1 feature, any network.
The rule is rubbish, doesn't mean you can break it and not expect a penalty (It was still a rule at that point, and was only scrapped later on). I hate RB with a passion, but Christian definitely mentioned that he wanted a penalty there, and the rule is rubbish. But as the rule is not removed yet, it would still be considered broken
Did you watch the video? Christian DID say he wanted a penalty. _"As the rules are written today that isn't right."_ Sure, he tried to wash his hands and say it was up to the stewards and that the rule is rubbish, but he very clearly also stated it should be a penalty.
@@ze_rubenator Giving accurate information is not only about not saying things that are untrue, but also about telling things fully, and presenting them in proper context. "This rule is silly and should not exist, but while it exists, it should be enforced consistently." is a very different statement from "I want a penalty!". The latter suggests a much bigger difference in opinion than the former and ultimately will likely cause a lot more resentment.
I think it was absurd. “Alone and unaided” shouldn’t be a thing at all in a series like F1 where the constructors are just as important as the drivers. F1 is already behind other series in that it doesn’t have spotters around the track for teams. F1 is not a spec series. It’s not a “the best driver wins” series, it’s a “the best team wins” series.
Team radio controversy then: Engineers telling drivers what to do Team radio controversy now: MOMMY HE JUST SAID THE F WORD GIVE HIM A TEN SECOND STOP GO!
Driver coaching is 'focus more on exit speed in turn 6, the straight after is where you're losing the most time to the other driver', not 'go to these settings out of hundreds, and shift from 6th to 8th because your gearbox will explode in 7'. So even under the spirit of the regulations at the time this should have been allowed imho. As for the rule as a whole; if you can process complicated input while you're in the middle of performing such a complicated and timed task and gain an advantage out of it then you should be rewarded for that. Even if you try to send a continuous audio signal to directly tell the drivers when to break and how much to turn or whatever, basically puppeteering from the wall, processing that signal is always going to be inferior to what the driver does instinctively anyway. Drivers constantly getting angry at engineers yapping under breaking/cornering could have told them this. So the fear that they had of the driver skill being insignificant towards the outcome is completely unfounded.
to expand on Horner's comment at 3:12... if "skip 7th" is coaching that could change the events of the race... what do they consider telling a driver "your competition is done" is? "skip 7th" is a critical instruction that could arguably prevent catastrophic failure. "your competition is toast" is a coach saying "back off a hair, you'll place well without pushing"
Horner: As the rule is today it isn't right. But the rule is rubbish. SkyF1 to Toto: Horner thinks it shoud be a penalty under the current regulations. Media trying to stir things up. Nothing's changed.
Insane how this was even a rule they make the engines and everything so complex and then expect the drivers to know exactly what engine mode and modes overall is going to fix an issue if it comes up
Would this not be a pretty significant safety issue? If his gearbox gets locked in 7th, he would at the least be a slow-moving obstacle, and if he were black flagged he would probably stall out when attempting to enter the pits.
@4:20 a clear example of brittish media trying to get drivers and teamleaders angry at eachother and the fans angry at opposing drivers and teamleaders. Horner said: its with the stewards now, its their job to decide, the rule is complete rubbish, but.... since its a rule... what they did was against the rule, its up to the stewards!
The rule was written before the cars got so complex; a revision was justified. What isn't and never should be allowed is Rosberg's engineer telling him "try an earlier entry into the parabolica" (because he could see Hamilton's data). That was driver coaching. Bernie and Charlie put a stop to that.
There were issues with actual drive coaching, in prior season, with engineers advising their drivers on entry speed into corners and where they could find more pace. Personally didn't have an issue with it, as it's one thing to be told where to find the time, quite another to actually find said time. The FIA decided that driver coaching constituted as a driver aid or words similar to that effect, and then just banned it outright. Issue is they made it so the engineers couldn't do their jobs. If there was a car problem the engineers couldn't advise their drivers how to fix the problem. Hybrids are by far the most complicated cars f1 drivers have ever driven, there are so many alterations and fixes that can be done from in the cockpit that there's literally no way any driver can learn every possible fix. Driving at the speeds they do is hard enough, nevermind racing, managing tyres and pace. This rule was so poorly thought out and it ruined so many good races.
It was alll because of Crofty complaining in practice sessions about hearing all these discussions thinking that footballers dont recieve instructions on the field but only at half time.. even though they do but we just dont hear them lol fs
A ridiculous rule... As a fan i want to see them race...these cars are complicated and you can't drive and change through various sub menus... This isnt driver coaching ... Thst was a failure or about to.
Stupid and pointless rule. You can't coach someone to success in a sport like this. It all has to be internalized by race time. It's like thinking you can coach a novice to play a piano concerto like a master on stage in front of the audience.
If I was him I would’ve stopped still in the most dangerous part of a track so that they would have to give a red flag or safety car to get the issue fixed (obviously make sure there isn’t a car nearby so there isn’t an actual crash)
That's so stupid. I would love to hear these kinds of radios going on and it would make for better racing. I don't get how they can tell the driver about tire temperature needs, which is arguably more to do with driving, but not about a mechanical problem. I didnt even know this was a thing, I thought these discussions were avoided only due to concerns of spying by other teams.
Rosberg: Almost retires when gearbox is stuck Schumacher: Finishes second when gearbox is stuck Senna: Wins the race when gearbox is stuck Clark: Wins the race with a five minute lead driving one handed at spa in the rain with the gearbox stuck
Personally I don't care one bit for driver coaching, the car belongs to Mercedes, if they want to tell Nico exactly what gear to be in, what percentage throttle, braking and steering for every corner then that's A-OK with me, the communication between engineer and driver should be a skill valued in the championship as much as any other.
i get that you can’t coach a driver on how to race, but drivers are not engineers. its ridiculous that he was punished for receiving assistance in managing a technical failure of the car.
This is what annoys me with F1. I'm not against radio comms being drastically reduced but do it properly. Advise the teams it will be required for the following season, give them time to plan and prepare properly not introduce it in 2 races time mid season. It's a joke.
Yeah don't see that talking with the driver's about settings on the car is coaching but if you start talkng about what line to take into corners and such or perhaps where another driver is vunerable I'd say that is coaching.
So if they said. ,,This issue will come back if you use 7th gear" then it would be fine? Stupid rule! No wonder viewer numbers were dwindeling back then
Then in 2022 Yuki on the radio: f---- beep! sh----- beep beep! traffic a--- s----- ! What has not changed through these years is Christian and Toto whinging and complaining
Totally unfair penalty....they had permission and a clear failure to get the driver around....this many years later...still sucks!!! (and the FIA are still THAT bad at decisions!!!)
1-0-1 default 0-1 mayday what's he doing hacking a computer? The rule was supposed to keep racing pure, as it used to be when drivers couldn't fix anything by pressing buttons
OMG Sky just threw CH under the buss although he was saying the rule is BS and this should be allowed and what did these guy said to Toto what he said? OMG ! I overlooked its the SKY guys im watching here who've been stirring up crap for a long while now !
It was a rule interpretation introduced back then to make the drivers be more responsible for the result, not telling them what they have to do to get faster mid race. The idea behind it is good, its just not possible for actual reallife scenarios
One of the must *USELESS* rule in Formula 1® history! 👎💩💨 Fortunately this rule was no longer used two races later (#2016GermanGrandPrix🇩🇪). #2016BritishGrandPrix🇬🇧 #2016Nostalgia #SilverstoneCircuit🇬🇧 05/07/2024 00:03 AM At My Local Time.
When Horner is fighting for another team, you know it's a bad rule.
How is Horner "fighting for another team" here? He clearly says a penalty would be within the rules.
Sure, he calls the rule rubbish, but that's not fighting for another team.
@@riquelmeone brother just argued against himself respect
@@riquelmeone He said he thinks the rule is rubbish and that it should be changed. That's fighting for another team. However, he's also fighting for fairness to all parties (every other driver on the grid, not just his own) by saying that a penalty is within the rules (he's not saying that Nico should be given one) and that its up to the FIA to decide.
@@TraysonMartin calling a rule rubbish is not fighting for another team. Rules apply to all teams.
@@riquelmeone you have to be on the spectrum
This rule was mental, could have cost him the title
It should have done, he was an awful driver who got extremely lucky that season
@@thelegend5243I found a cult member! What prize do I get?
@@thelegend5243awfully lucky, but he wasn’t a terrible driver let’s not kid ourselves
@@thelegend5243 bro Rosberg was a beast and so was hamilton. Yes he got lucky as well, but so did Hamilton in multiple of his winner years. Its F1, part of the game
The rule was a bit whacky but it came about because of drivers like Rosberg who were getting coached on nearly every part of the lap. His engineer would be looking over Hamiltons data and feeding him every little thing, it was proper over the top.
To be fair to Rosberg he was able to take all that input and often match or beat Hamilton. Not many drivers can do that.
But Mercedes asked for permission before the communication, got the permision accepted and then they received a penalty? wtf
they got permisson to tell him to switch settings, not tell him to shift through seventh gear afterwards
FIA is a piece of shit!
@@5tuartGuyyea and that was the most obvious thing to do he could of avoided it too😭
You're a little confused my friend
@@EduardoRodrigues-ev7ej yeah that’s why I asked xd
I'm all for less driver coaching through team radio but when there's a clear problem which could lead to retiring that is when the coaching should be allowed. The rule in 2016 was a bit too strict
Not only a bit too strict, but (for me) also pretty useless.
Crofty said it best... "What do you want to see? Drivers being forced to retire from a race because they haven't read the 900 page manual notes and know exactly what to do and identify a problem with 200 mph?!"
I don’t think the problem is that they get to say stuff it is that they get to have so much information available at a moments notice. Most of the metrics should only be able to be seen post race and in practice
I don't see how communicating with the team shouldn't be allowed. The driver is still the only one driving the car so what problem does it make?
@@tadassmolskas3014 yeah i agree but i still think they should be able to read as much telemetry in real time
2016 had two of the dumbest rules in F1 history. Elimination qualifying and this.
They still have elimination qualifying
@@MrJohansenthat's 3 phase qualifying, elimination qualifying was totally different thing
@@MrJohansen Off the top of my head, Elimination qualifying lasted 1 grand prix weekend in Australia before it got ditched
@@campbellsmith3869 2, it also happen in Bahrain. After Bahrain, it was ditched.
what's elimination qualifying any LORE warlords
No reason for this stupid rule. Crofty is completely right at 1:31.
Dumb rule. There's a monumental difference between "OK down to 4th gear for this corner, less throttle in and faster out" and "do this to avoid blowing up the car". An evolution of this rule probably could exist, but it was far too bluntly enforced in 2016
Nowadays it seems it’s gotten closer to the former, lol! Personally I’m ok with it: all the teams can do it and share to the drivers, so it’s a level playing field. I think the better drivers don’t need it and the lesser drivers will be overwhelmed/not help, so don’t think it’s made too much difference over time IMHO
I think this type of rule is a silly solution. If they don't want engineers to feed their drivers too much data, they should limit the data and not what the engineers can say.
Its funny how they literally did a 180 with that rule. Now it's full on coaching. I remember when Lando had to close a gap because of a penalty in Austria 2020 and his engineer was telling him what do to for every single corner lmao.
I’m not gonna lie this rule was quite rubbish. Maybe in the old times it’s more plausible but not now when there’s so many things to manage in the cockpit.
I know it happened before this race, but you mentioning him having so much to manage while driving sort of epitomizes that famous "A short view back to the past…" press conference question
So, basically it’s the same what toto said regarding the technology. Bravo and you didn’t lie as well. Masterful thinking there mate. Any other grand revelations rtard?
No it was a good rule. Poorly enforced but teams coaching drivers to paper over their inability to adapt and problem solve is bad for the sport. McLaren is a good example, in Imola this year there was a period in the final stint where the race engineer was effectively calibrating each corner for Lando, telling him to take 5kph less on entry or add 10 bar of braking or to use a different gear.
The drivers should have to make these decisions and drive the car, they shouldn’t be aided by teams who are looking at the data. They should only be able to talk to the driver about vehicle systems (like Mercedes did here).
"Avoid 7th gear"
"What does that mean, I mean I have to shift through it"
"Affirm, you have to shift through it"
Giving me lowkey Ferrari engineer vibes 😂😂
they meant don't stay in 7th gear, go from 6th straight to 8th.
@@BETAsin that's not really avoiding 7th gear then is it?
@@dead_redux Thats the kind of thing you say on a hurry, they have to time to tink about the wording
@@RoqueTHEGAMER I wasn't talking to you
@@dead_reduxyou werent Talking to anyone, you're chatting on a public youtube comment section so dont expect people to not join in
Telling him to reset the car "chassis default 01" and avoid 7th gear was fine in the eyes of the stewards, but telling him how to do it, i.e. "you have to shift through it" was driver coaching and too much for the stewards and the rules at the time.
No that's not coaching. That's called clarification
@@MrJohansen i agree. nico knew what he had to do since he asked 'what does that mean? do i have to shift through it?', and the race engineer just clarifies it by answering, 'affirm', so technically its bound by the rules.
well, based on the fia's record, it's no surprises that they constantly makes controversial decisions.
Lol Lewis said f*ck it then, im pressing all the buttons.
Solving IT issues by just fucking about and hoping for the best:
Lewis 🤝 Me
Lewis having a tanty at such stupidity probably helped change the rule.
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race - I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?
Can you repeat the question?
Just a few weeks ago, Alonso almost collided during Practices and he literally pushed all the buttons to avoid it xD
F1 copypasta
It’s a sport not just for deciding who’s the champion driver, but also to be the pinnacle of Motorsport engineering. A lot of inventions and development has gone from f1 to outgoing road cars. So yes, to say as the pinnacle of Motorsport and be the pioneer in the development of next gen automobiles, it needs to be complicated and more buttons to control such tech.
@@prajwalchandrasekhar well said
Absolutely ridiculous that the FIA try to police this! If you're gonna be this strict about it just ditch the radios all together!
Christian actually called the rule rubbish, and that Sky Sports moron Simon Lazenby just told Toto that Christian wants a penalty.
This is how rumors and fights get started.
Lazenby is arguably the worst lead presenter ever in any F1 feature, any network.
That's why i hate SKY.
They are all clowns.
The rule is rubbish, doesn't mean you can break it and not expect a penalty (It was still a rule at that point, and was only scrapped later on). I hate RB with a passion, but Christian definitely mentioned that he wanted a penalty there, and the rule is rubbish. But as the rule is not removed yet, it would still be considered broken
I caught that as well, typical slimy journalist move
Did you watch the video? Christian DID say he wanted a penalty. _"As the rules are written today that isn't right."_ Sure, he tried to wash his hands and say it was up to the stewards and that the rule is rubbish, but he very clearly also stated it should be a penalty.
@@ze_rubenator Giving accurate information is not only about not saying things that are untrue, but also about telling things fully, and presenting them in proper context. "This rule is silly and should not exist, but while it exists, it should be enforced consistently." is a very different statement from "I want a penalty!". The latter suggests a much bigger difference in opinion than the former and ultimately will likely cause a lot more resentment.
3:25 Herbert, Hill and Lazenby. The three horsemen of the smug apocalypse.
I think it was absurd. “Alone and unaided” shouldn’t be a thing at all in a series like F1 where the constructors are just as important as the drivers. F1 is already behind other series in that it doesn’t have spotters around the track for teams. F1 is not a spec series. It’s not a “the best driver wins” series, it’s a “the best team wins” series.
Team radio controversy then: Engineers telling drivers what to do
Team radio controversy now: MOMMY HE JUST SAID THE F WORD GIVE HIM A TEN SECOND STOP GO!
Driver coaching is 'focus more on exit speed in turn 6, the straight after is where you're losing the most time to the other driver', not 'go to these settings out of hundreds, and shift from 6th to 8th because your gearbox will explode in 7'. So even under the spirit of the regulations at the time this should have been allowed imho.
As for the rule as a whole; if you can process complicated input while you're in the middle of performing such a complicated and timed task and gain an advantage out of it then you should be rewarded for that. Even if you try to send a continuous audio signal to directly tell the drivers when to break and how much to turn or whatever, basically puppeteering from the wall, processing that signal is always going to be inferior to what the driver does instinctively anyway. Drivers constantly getting angry at engineers yapping under breaking/cornering could have told them this. So the fear that they had of the driver skill being insignificant towards the outcome is completely unfounded.
4:47 Looking like a 35 year old Lando
to expand on Horner's comment at 3:12... if "skip 7th" is coaching that could change the events of the race... what do they consider telling a driver "your competition is done" is?
"skip 7th" is a critical instruction that could arguably prevent catastrophic failure.
"your competition is toast" is a coach saying "back off a hair, you'll place well without pushing"
This was a dark period of F1 - such a stupid rule. Glad it was dropped
Awesome content like always
At the request of the “commercial rights holder” goes to show what really impacts rule change decisions.
and the teams and drivers
and wasn't that just bernie ecclestone back in these days?
FIA have ruined whats meant to be racing.
For real , all hibrid era is a POS. Not F1 anymore.
Good thing we have Max Verstappen
Horner: As the rule is today it isn't right. But the rule is rubbish.
SkyF1 to Toto: Horner thinks it shoud be a penalty under the current regulations.
Media trying to stir things up. Nothing's changed.
You know its bad when even horner says the rule is stupid when it would've given them second
It really threw me off how much younger Toto and Christian looked. Man, where has the time gone...
the editing on this is so good earned a sub
These graphics are amazing
That rule was dumb af man. They're not just in a car, they're literally inside a whole computer that happens to look like an F1 car
now compare this to Landos first podium in Austria 2020 lol
Insane how this was even a rule they make the engines and everything so complex and then expect the drivers to know exactly what engine mode and modes overall is going to fix an issue if it comes up
I miss those car dimensions so much. Wont argue about the halo, but this camera angle, and the car being smaller looked much more f1.
What a stupid rule what's the point of having a radio if you can't use it in a critical situation
one of the dumbest rules ive ever seen in f1
Would this not be a pretty significant safety issue? If his gearbox gets locked in 7th, he would at the least be a slow-moving obstacle, and if he were black flagged he would probably stall out when attempting to enter the pits.
Formula 1 didn’t always care about safety.
@4:20 a clear example of brittish media trying to get drivers and teamleaders angry at eachother and the fans angry at opposing drivers and teamleaders.
Horner said: its with the stewards now, its their job to decide, the rule is complete rubbish, but.... since its a rule... what they did was against the rule, its up to the stewards!
F1 is a team sport so the team should be allowed to tell the driver pretty much anything. It's still up to the driver...
So instead of saying shift through it, they should have just said deal with it?
THAT IS 1010101021010101010% MORE CRITICAL PROBLEM THAN "DRIVER COACHING" LMAO
The rule was written before the cars got so complex; a revision was justified. What isn't and never should be allowed is Rosberg's engineer telling him "try an earlier entry into the parabolica" (because he could see Hamilton's data). That was driver coaching. Bernie and Charlie put a stop to that.
If this rule was still here, everyone would be driving uncomfortably and possibly retire their cars.
There were issues with actual drive coaching, in prior season, with engineers advising their drivers on entry speed into corners and where they could find more pace. Personally didn't have an issue with it, as it's one thing to be told where to find the time, quite another to actually find said time. The FIA decided that driver coaching constituted as a driver aid or words similar to that effect, and then just banned it outright. Issue is they made it so the engineers couldn't do their jobs. If there was a car problem the engineers couldn't advise their drivers how to fix the problem. Hybrids are by far the most complicated cars f1 drivers have ever driven, there are so many alterations and fixes that can be done from in the cockpit that there's literally no way any driver can learn every possible fix. Driving at the speeds they do is hard enough, nevermind racing, managing tyres and pace. This rule was so poorly thought out and it ruined so many good races.
The radio rule was insane . Like what was the actual point? Seems dangerous as hell
The team was not aiding Rosberg in driving the car, they were diagnosing a mechanical problem. Should have been no penalty.
I’d go back to no driver aids and changing gear by hand instead of paddles. Watching senna around Monaco shows the skill these guys have
Ridiculous rule that allows an engineer to sabotage by being as passive as they want
It was alll because of Crofty complaining in practice sessions about hearing all these discussions thinking that footballers dont recieve instructions on the field but only at half time.. even though they do but we just dont hear them lol fs
A ridiculous rule... As a fan i want to see them race...these cars are complicated and you can't drive and change through various sub menus...
This isnt driver coaching ... Thst was a failure or about to.
Stupid and pointless rule. You can't coach someone to success in a sport like this. It all has to be internalized by race time. It's like thinking you can coach a novice to play a piano concerto like a master on stage in front of the audience.
Just a reminder that in Baku 2016 this caused Lewis to finish 5th not 2nd which cost him the title.
Just a reminder that Nico Rosberg scored more points than Lewis Hamilton in 2016 which cost him the title.
I remember this rule. That race with Lewis not knowing what was wrong the whole time. Silly rule really but it was interesting.
I mean, if you couldn't coach the drivers, why have team radio at all? Seems a bit stupid to me.
Those giant wings were really hideous.
If I was him I would’ve stopped still in the most dangerous part of a track so that they would have to give a red flag or safety car to get the issue fixed (obviously make sure there isn’t a car nearby so there isn’t an actual crash)
That's so stupid. I would love to hear these kinds of radios going on and it would make for better racing. I don't get how they can tell the driver about tire temperature needs, which is arguably more to do with driving, but not about a mechanical problem. I didnt even know this was a thing, I thought these discussions were avoided only due to concerns of spying by other teams.
God forbid they are told about an issue with their car… that more than not make them push harder and end up slower…😂
Is this 2024 with drivers getting in trouble for the radio 😂
Rosberg: Almost retires when gearbox is stuck
Schumacher: Finishes second when gearbox is stuck
Senna: Wins the race when gearbox is stuck
Clark: Wins the race with a five minute lead driving one handed at spa in the rain with the gearbox stuck
Admittedly it was definitely less close back then
Personally I don't care one bit for driver coaching, the car belongs to Mercedes, if they want to tell Nico exactly what gear to be in, what percentage throttle, braking and steering for every corner then that's A-OK with me, the communication between engineer and driver should be a skill valued in the championship as much as any other.
i get that you can’t coach a driver on how to race, but drivers are not engineers. its ridiculous that he was punished for receiving assistance in managing a technical failure of the car.
Wow. This could've cost cost him the title!
Its pretty obvious why this rule was dropped so quickly. It was a stupid rule from the outset.
This is what annoys me with F1. I'm not against radio comms being drastically reduced but do it properly. Advise the teams it will be required for the following season, give them time to plan and prepare properly not introduce it in 2 races time mid season. It's a joke.
The graphics😍
Yo you tryna gameshare me f1 24
Niki Lauda always said the truth
LEGEND
what song is that
Bit odd that it happened in the UK of all places
One of the dumbest rules introduced to this sport
F1 yet again shows how stupid rules they have
Yeah don't see that talking with the driver's about settings on the car is coaching but if you start talkng about what line to take into corners and such or perhaps where another driver is vunerable I'd say that is coaching.
One of most stupid rules F1 has had. It is a TEAM sport, but also the pinnacle of the motorsport. This rule was a joke
The first time Christian and Toto agree on something. That rule was stupid.
Can we talk about the fake watch on the glove? lol
wow insane
Unrelated to this situation. F1 doesn’t feel like this anymore. I miss the old vibe of f1 and I can’t pinpoint what exactly it is that’s different 😢
2016 with the shit regulations is what you missed? Damn
@@mmax_19 No, just the organic vibe F1 used to have. Now it feels like it panders too hard to be mainstream that it lost its roots
There Will be a pit stop in formula 1 this year ❤❤❤
Horner and Toto look so young wtf!
Discussions about unclear rules and penalties. This aged well looking at the recent Mexican GP in 2024.
Its ridiculous that the regulation is changing more than any other sports..FIA need to finalised their homework before asking people doing their test😒
I'm so glad this dumb rule was removed. I wonder what dumb rule they'll think of next!
incroyable!
So if they said.
,,This issue will come back if you use 7th gear"
then it would be fine?
Stupid rule!
No wonder viewer numbers were dwindeling back then
3 hours of deliberations. Didn’t need to read anymore. 3 hrs of talk means they were making or adapting a rule as they sat there.
Then in 2022 Yuki on the radio: f---- beep! sh----- beep beep! traffic a--- s----- !
What has not changed through these years is Christian and Toto whinging and complaining
What a daft rule
The most ridiculous rule in F1 ever.
And the Iadyboy IuIu fans conveniently forget this event.....
I dont think you've watch the whole video
Totally unfair penalty....they had permission and a clear failure to get the driver around....this many years later...still sucks!!! (and the FIA are still THAT bad at decisions!!!)
What the fuck, someone make it make sense
Modern warfare fans have a different view on the name"Kingfish"
Where do you think it came from ? ;)
@KingFishF1 lol it means Makarov
@@russselnumber1fan yes sir
SOCOM fans have a different view than that, no one cares
lol crazy
1-0-1 default 0-1 mayday what's he doing hacking a computer? The rule was supposed to keep racing pure, as it used to be when drivers couldn't fix anything by pressing buttons
OMG Sky just threw CH under the buss although he was saying the rule is BS and this should be allowed and what did these guy said to Toto what he said? OMG ! I overlooked its the SKY guys im watching here who've been stirring up crap for a long while now !
How can that be a penalty, telling your driver what to do😂. Makes no sense
It was a rule interpretation introduced back then to make the drivers be more responsible for the result, not telling them what they have to do to get faster mid race. The idea behind it is good, its just not possible for actual reallife scenarios
One of the must *USELESS* rule in Formula 1® history! 👎💩💨
Fortunately this rule was no longer used two races later (#2016GermanGrandPrix🇩🇪).
#2016BritishGrandPrix🇬🇧 #2016Nostalgia #SilverstoneCircuit🇬🇧
05/07/2024 00:03 AM At My Local Time.
it was a riddiculous rule
how does he avoid 7th gear
It means don’t stay in 7th Gear any longer than absolutely necessary, when you need to upshift from 6th gear hit the paddle twice to get you to 8th.
Fernando is faster than you
Back when verstappen was (ves) not (ver)