I just bought this jawn, about to install, will return to review. They got me the system in under a week, so that part of my experience has been better than during the time of your review.
I like the idea of the remineralization. We've found that RO water makes more thirsty. That's subjective, I know, but it sure seemed that way. Maybe this would help. We're really interested in a filtration system that will eliminate heavy metals, forever plastics, VOCs, and so on. However, I do not like things depend on "apps", and especially that depend on "smart"phones. I prefer no electronics at all, since those are far and away the least reliable part of consumer products, but at least I would want the thing to be self contained with it's own control panel and display device. I also do not like things that run on batteries. Those also go bad and are an extra expense. There's always power somewhere nearby. Let me make the decision of how to provide it. An RO system is powered by the supply water pressure, so the electronics must be what require the electrical power. It should (if well designed) be able to continue to work without power.
Everything MUST be self contained for me to even consider it. I do NOT use a 'smart' phone!! If I have to have a 'smart' phone to use something, that product is automatically eliminated. Batteries are a pain to keep up with. Might be ok to have for emergency use, but not for normal use. Another trend I have noticed is that many electrical devices only include a UBS cable, NOT a cord to plug into an outlet!!! Do they think I have UBS ports all over the place??!!??
Nope. Battery?!? No way. It's easy to upgrade the $200 units for better efficiency, greater output, etc. or start higher on the generic RO foodchain. The filters are MUCH less expensive for the "generic" units. Get in for $200 if you want to try it out. Do you like it? Add booster pump (unless you already have over 70psi water pressure) and gain some efficiency. Add second RO housing and membrane for staged concentrate and nearly double the permeate:concentrate ratio for a very slight decrease in permeate quality. Etc.
Yeah there are benefits of using battery power like the ability to continue to filter your water if the electricity goes out and no need to make electrical alterations to switched outlets under the sink
I think home distillation is better overall for people that just want pure clean wtaer for drinking/cooking....you dont have to worry about replacing/using 4 or 5 filters...you dont waste as much water in the purification process and it is much simpler method to clean water.
While distillation is indeed one of the best methods for purifying water, you didn't mention the biggest drawback that it takes massive time and energy inputs to distill a relatively small volume of water. 6-8 hours for just one gallon.
In a prolonged SHTF scenario I absolutely do NOT like having to locate and buy filters that may be extinct! Learn to build you own drinkable water system that only requires natural local ingredients! However buying and storing a mega supply of purification chemistry would be prudent. Distillation using natural dead wood trees and our coal is a decent mode also!
Distilled water typically contains less salt and metal than its source water. Organic compounds or metals with a high vapor pressure (e.g., mercury) will be in the vapor over boiling water and will get condensed back into the distilled water. Not Effective Against: most volatile and semi-volatile organic compounds, and some bacteria. Distilling water is no where near as good as filtration, especially carbon and RO.
I bought this system to replace an aging system I bought well over 10 years ago. It was a great system and I would have bought it again, but the price had doubled to over 2000 dollars. At 600 dollars the Cloud system seemed like a great buy, and the reviews were good. Here is my assessment. It is a compact design and should fit under most sinks easily. It was easy to install with everything included. The filters will be much easier to replace than my old system. This system places the minerals back in the water which my old system didn't do. The recovery rate is very good although the tank size is half my old system. I measured the PPM (parts per million) of solids in the water before and after with my own meter. City water was 147ppm and the filtered water was 24ppm after the minerals were introduced. This is very good performance from the filter. Now for the ugly. I can't seem to get the faucet tight enough to not start spinning in a couple days. Still experimenting. The Water pressure needs improvement. My old system had 3 times the pressure, using the city water pressure for pressure. It was a two hose system. Not sure how it worked, but my old system worked well. The pressure in my old system was just as high as the city faucet. Now having complained about the last two caveats, I like the system, it seems very well thought out and we only use the water for drinking and cooking and the pressure is actually ok for that. We are just spoiled from the old system. I should also mention that the customer service was very good. I had a number of questions and customer service was very fast at answering my emails.
@@NateByou think it’s worth it for me to get this system he tested? I just want it to work and remove chlorine and fluoride mainly and other bad stuff as well
Ok. I’ve had the culligan ro under the sink for the last 14 years. They now are not making the filters. So it’s time. For a new culligan ro system is 2200.00. I’ve been saving and now have the money but been waiting til the tds numbers get higher than 20. It’s now at 40. But I saw this video now I’m 100 percent not spending it on culligan. Water drop I would need another outlet under sink. So cloud and your video has me wanting to take the risk of buying it. New company is where the risk I think comes from. Thanks for your time. Appreciate it.
Ugh I really want to get Cloud RO, but $200USD with exchange rate to Canada ($271CAD) for a single year of filters seems SUPER costly. Plus I would be hit with customs too which would be between $40 and $50. Home Depot sells 2 years of cartridges for the Aquatru at $200CAD (not mineral boost though 😢).
We calculated the filter replacement cost at $0.26/ gallon (USD), which is on the cheaper end of the spectrum of all the filters we've tested so far. I completely understand the exchange rate factor.
@@waterfilterguru Thanks! I see they do not ship in Europe :( do you know if the waterdrop’s x12 problem has been fixed? Otherwise, I’m thinking of importing the cloud ro, do you know how much is the weight of the package, and also of the replacement filter + battery?
@@GregorstR Getting replacement filters would be a pain, and expensive. I'd definitely recommend purchasing something available in your region. Have you considered the Waterdrop G3? geni.us/rQekgwp You'd have to purchase the inline remin filter separately, but we didn't have any issues with that one
Hi I live in a apartment and my highest containment levels are HAA9, TTHMs and Nitrate and I'm struggling to find the right filtration system. Do you have any advice or suggestions on what I can do? Thanks!
This has alot of nice features but the youith of the company and the battery power is a deal breaker for me. I have a Springwell WH filter and a Springwell Salt Based water softner system so now i am just looking for agood undercounter system to remove the salt. Do yoiu have any reccomendations for this?
Did you find this added zinc back into the water? BOS Water tested this unit and it added zinc back. Not sure where it's coming from but I asked them about it.
@@Beachlover19-l3z hard to say without conducting more thorough, specific testing. Likely from the remineralization media, but can't say for sure with the data we have currently. Keep in mind that zinc is an essential nutrient for human health. The most conservative health guideline level for zinc in drinking water is 2 mg/L
I like that the filters are easy to change - but I hate apps and I do not want anything added back into my water- I prefer to remineralize it myslef so I know ecactly what is in it. I tried to contact the company to see if this will work without the remineralization cartride and there is no number just an email address - 1 day later still no response. lack of customer service is a deal killer for me
@@waterfilterguru update: I emailed customer service and my phone number was in the email Areil called me and answered all of my questions. the unit can be used with an extra carbon filter instead of the mineral cartridge and they are in the process of getting a new cartridge that does not have the minerals but still has the microbial components. So they do have good customer support. I went ahead and ordered this unit. I have a really good quality Culligan RO system and have been happy with the quality of the water but it's $400 to replace the cartridges and pain to do under the sink - this cloud unit looks much more DYI-friendly as far as changing the filters that was the selling point for me -however, I wish they would go into a little more detail about what all toxins are taken out and what sets their unit apart regarding toxin removal. Their unit does have some unique features but at the end of the day the only reason anyone even researches or wants an RO system is to have the best water quality - all the other features as far as ease of changing cartridges -app etc are just icing on the cake - but toxin removal is the cake,
@@flextime6349 It might, there are studies being done on this I believe. You may want to consider distillation if avoiding plastic entirely is your top concern
@@waterfilterguru this is bothersome. I hope some of these manufacturers will begin to research alternatives to plastics for more of the parts that touch the water, like pipes and tanks.
@@waterfilterguru I do not remember now. It was years ago and I read that in a few places. I guess it makes sense if the water molecules are smaller than the holes in the filter membranes.
It was probably on backorder when you placed your order - see 10:19. I'd assume you'll receive another email when your order is being prepared and ships. You could shoot them an email to confirm, customer support was very responsive in my experience
@@waterfilterguru Yeahh, I mistakenly read it as 2-4 weeks until it arrives. I am excited! We buy two cases of water each week and another 4 gallons of baby formula water, so this is going to save a ton. Thank you good sir, we appreciate all your efforts!
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I just bought this jawn, about to install, will return to review. They got me the system in under a week, so that part of my experience has been better than during the time of your review.
Right on I'll look forward to hearing more about your experience
I like the idea of the remineralization. We've found that RO water makes more thirsty. That's subjective, I know, but it sure seemed that way. Maybe this would help. We're really interested in a filtration system that will eliminate heavy metals, forever plastics, VOCs, and so on.
However, I do not like things depend on "apps", and especially that depend on "smart"phones. I prefer no electronics at all, since those are far and away the least reliable part of consumer products, but at least I would want the thing to be self contained with it's own control panel and display device. I also do not like things that run on batteries. Those also go bad and are an extra expense. There's always power somewhere nearby. Let me make the decision of how to provide it. An RO system is powered by the supply water pressure, so the electronics must be what require the electrical power. It should (if well designed) be able to continue to work without power.
Everything MUST be self contained for me to even consider it. I do NOT use a 'smart' phone!! If I have to have a 'smart' phone to use something, that product is automatically eliminated. Batteries are a pain to keep up with. Might be ok to have for emergency use, but not for normal use.
Another trend I have noticed is that many electrical devices only include a UBS cable, NOT a cord to plug into an outlet!!! Do they think I have UBS ports all over the place??!!??
Nope. Battery?!? No way.
It's easy to upgrade the $200 units for better efficiency, greater output, etc. or start higher on the generic RO foodchain. The filters are MUCH less expensive for the "generic" units. Get in for $200 if you want to try it out. Do you like it? Add booster pump (unless you already have over 70psi water pressure) and gain some efficiency. Add second RO housing and membrane for staged concentrate and nearly double the permeate:concentrate ratio for a very slight decrease in permeate quality. Etc.
Thanks for sharing
Which RO unit would you suggest that's around the $200-mark or less?
A battery powered filter has me sold!! That’s a humongous selling point for me
Yeah there are benefits of using battery power like the ability to continue to filter your water if the electricity goes out and no need to make electrical alterations to switched outlets under the sink
I think home distillation is better overall for people that just want pure clean wtaer for drinking/cooking....you dont have to worry about replacing/using 4 or 5 filters...you dont waste as much water in the purification process and it is much simpler method to clean water.
While distillation is indeed one of the best methods for purifying water, you didn't mention the biggest drawback that it takes massive time and energy inputs to distill a relatively small volume of water. 6-8 hours for just one gallon.
@@waterfilterguru many units can distill water at 1 liter per hour. ..even the inexpensive tabletop units.
In a prolonged SHTF scenario I absolutely do NOT like having to locate and buy filters that may be extinct! Learn to build you own drinkable water system that only requires natural local ingredients! However buying and storing a mega supply of purification chemistry would be prudent. Distillation using natural dead wood trees and our coal is a decent mode also!
Distilled water typically contains less salt and metal than its source water. Organic compounds or metals with a high vapor pressure (e.g., mercury) will be in the vapor over boiling water and will get condensed back into the distilled water. Not Effective Against: most volatile and semi-volatile organic compounds, and some bacteria. Distilling water is no where near as good as filtration, especially carbon and RO.
And just think, with a home distiller, you can load up one end with some corn or apple mash and YEEEHAWWW, you got hooch!
I bought this system to replace an aging system I bought well over 10 years ago. It was a great system and I would have bought it again, but the price had doubled to over 2000 dollars. At 600 dollars the Cloud system seemed like a great buy, and the reviews were good. Here is my assessment. It is a compact design and should fit under most sinks easily. It was easy to install with everything included. The filters will be much easier to replace than my old system. This system places the minerals back in the water which my old system didn't do. The recovery rate is very good although the tank size is half my old system. I measured the PPM (parts per million) of solids in the water before and after with my own meter. City water was 147ppm and the filtered water was 24ppm after the minerals were introduced. This is very good performance from the filter. Now for the ugly. I can't seem to get the faucet tight enough to not start spinning in a couple days. Still experimenting. The Water pressure needs improvement. My old system had 3 times the pressure, using the city water pressure for pressure. It was a two hose system. Not sure how it worked, but my old system worked well. The pressure in my old system was just as high as the city faucet. Now having complained about the last two caveats, I like the system, it seems very well thought out and we only use the water for drinking and cooking and the pressure is actually ok for that. We are just spoiled from the old system. I should also mention that the customer service was very good. I had a number of questions and customer service was very fast at answering my emails.
Thanks for sharing!
Looks like specialized replaceable filters. That would worry me a bit, in case the company does not provide the replacement ones in the future.
Good call-out, this is a drawback I missed mentioning
Eventually they’re going to figure out that they can do the inkjet printer bullshit.
@@NateB Exactly
@@NateByou think it’s worth it for me to get this system he tested? I just want it to work and remove chlorine and fluoride mainly and other bad stuff as well
How is the matter of stagnant water at the bottom of the storage tank addressed?
Ok. I’ve had the culligan ro under the sink for the last 14 years. They now are not making the filters. So it’s time. For a new culligan ro system is 2200.00. I’ve been saving and now have the money but been waiting til the tds numbers get higher than 20. It’s now at 40. But I saw this video now I’m 100 percent not spending it on culligan. Water drop I would need another outlet under sink. So cloud and your video has me wanting to take the risk of buying it. New company is where the risk I think comes from. Thanks for your time. Appreciate it.
Thanks for watching, I appreciate it! Let me know what you think of it
Tankless RO is the way to go. The rubber bladder in the holding tank is bad for your health. SimPure tankless is amazing
NSF 58 standards with TDS Sensors solves this issue.
Great video, thanks for testing the water to see results.
Thanks for watching!
Ugh I really want to get Cloud RO, but $200USD with exchange rate to Canada ($271CAD) for a single year of filters seems SUPER costly. Plus I would be hit with customs too which would be between $40 and $50. Home Depot sells 2 years of cartridges for the Aquatru at $200CAD (not mineral boost though 😢).
We calculated the filter replacement cost at $0.26/ gallon (USD), which is on the cheaper end of the spectrum of all the filters we've tested so far. I completely understand the exchange rate factor.
Canuckistan’s doomed.
Hey there! What would you choose (not considering the price) between the cloud ro and the waterdrop x12?
Cloud RO cloud-water-filters.sjv.io/WqmEaZ the Waterdrop X12 had an issue in our testing where it appeared to add antimony to th filtered water
@@waterfilterguru Thanks! I see they do not ship in Europe :( do you know if the waterdrop’s x12 problem has been fixed?
Otherwise, I’m thinking of importing the cloud ro, do you know how much is the weight of the package, and also of the replacement filter + battery?
@@GregorstR Getting replacement filters would be a pain, and expensive. I'd definitely recommend purchasing something available in your region. Have you considered the Waterdrop G3? geni.us/rQekgwp You'd have to purchase the inline remin filter separately, but we didn't have any issues with that one
Hi I live in a apartment and my highest containment levels are HAA9, TTHMs and Nitrate and I'm struggling to find the right filtration system. Do you have any advice or suggestions on what I can do? Thanks!
Check out the Aquatru countertop reverse osmosis system geni.us/chlQv5o It's certified to reduce Nitrate, Haloacetonitriles and Trihalomethanes
I like the features. Very nice
Love the features
Deciding between this and a Waterdrop G3. What would you suggest for a fam of 4?
Both are great options. This has built in remineralization, whereas it's an extra inline filter you have to install with the G3
This has alot of nice features but the youith of the company and the battery power is a deal breaker for me. I have a Springwell WH filter and a Springwell Salt Based water softner system so now i am just looking for agood undercounter system to remove the salt. Do yoiu have any reccomendations for this?
Any reverse osmosis system should be effective at reducing sodium added to the water by a water softener
Did you find this added zinc back into the water? BOS Water tested this unit and it added zinc back. Not sure where it's coming from but I asked them about it.
Yes, a minimal 0.024 mg/L. Links to our test reports are in the description
@@waterfilterguru Thank you! Do you what is causing this?
@@Beachlover19-l3z hard to say without conducting more thorough, specific testing. Likely from the remineralization media, but can't say for sure with the data we have currently. Keep in mind that zinc is an essential nutrient for human health. The most conservative health guideline level for zinc in drinking water is 2 mg/L
I like that the filters are easy to change - but I hate apps and I do not want anything added back into my water- I prefer to remineralize it myslef so I know ecactly what is in it. I tried to contact the company to see if this will work without the remineralization cartride and there is no number just an email address - 1 day later still no response. lack of customer service is a deal killer for me
I'll pass your feedback on to them!
@@waterfilterguru update: I emailed customer service and my phone number was in the email Areil called me and answered all of my questions. the unit can be used with an extra carbon filter instead of the mineral cartridge and they are in the process of getting a new cartridge that does not have the minerals but still has the microbial components. So they do have good customer support. I went ahead and ordered this unit. I have a really good quality Culligan RO system and have been happy with the quality of the water but it's $400 to replace the cartridges and pain to do under the sink - this cloud unit looks much more DYI-friendly as far as changing the filters that was the selling point for me -however, I wish they would go into a little more detail about what all toxins are taken out and what sets their unit apart regarding toxin removal. Their unit does have some unique features but at the end of the day the only reason anyone even researches or wants an RO system is to have the best water quality - all the other features as far as ease of changing cartridges -app etc are just icing on the cake - but toxin removal is the cake,
Why is it made of plastic?
All reverse osmosis systems are made of plastic
@@waterfiltergurubut doesn’t that add microplastics? Big reason I’m trying to get away from bottled water.
@@flextime6349 It might, there are studies being done on this I believe. You may want to consider distillation if avoiding plastic entirely is your top concern
@@waterfilterguru this is bothersome. I hope some of these manufacturers will begin to research alternatives to plastics for more of the parts that touch the water, like pipes and tanks.
How can you claim this is the best system after you already said the same for the Waterdrop RO tankless filter and it has a 3:1 conversion ratio?
The Waterdrop is a tankless RO, whereas this is a conventional RO. Two different types of systems
Well I think you get tightened to them because of the filters
Hey, can you review the new Express Water 600 GPD Tankless RO system.
Thanks for the request! I'll put it on the list
I read that RO water molecules get damaged when they squeeze through the membrane. What do you think of this? Thank you
Never heard of that. Can you share the source where you read this?
@@waterfilterguru I do not remember now. It was years ago and I read that in a few places. I guess it makes sense if the water molecules are smaller than the holes in the filter membranes.
I thought the variation in water molecule size would not be enough to affect which molecules made it through the filter membrane.
Wife and I finally purchased one a week and 1/2 ago and I still have not received any emails other than a “Welcome to the family” one. Is this normal?
It was probably on backorder when you placed your order - see 10:19. I'd assume you'll receive another email when your order is being prepared and ships. You could shoot them an email to confirm, customer support was very responsive in my experience
@@waterfilterguru Yeahh, I mistakenly read it as 2-4 weeks until it arrives. I am excited!
We buy two cases of water each week and another 4 gallons of baby formula water, so this is going to save a ton. Thank you good sir, we appreciate all your efforts!
@@gregbeck906 Right on, you're welcome thanks for watching! Keep us posted when you get it installed and if you like it as much as I do!
Received a message today saying they will be shipping this week. 👍
@@gregbeck906 right on, glad to hear it 🤙
Were you paid to do this?
No
@@waterfilterguruSource?
@@Haha-dg2jr himself
Source: I made it up.