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CycleCruza im dissapointed in you. how do u find the honda civic of motorcycles cool? bland, no soul, small gas tank. it will depreciate so fast. spend it on a real cruiser like a vulcan or any yamaha 950. even the shadow lines are way more attractive its a shame they didnt work on that 750 engine insread.
I have to agree with you. I sat on one last week, the 300. I am a 6 foot tall kinda fat guy, and the seating position was a nice cross between cruiser and standard. I would love to see you be able to review this one.
On the contrary. The old Rebel was one of the best bikes around - or would be if it had a larger engine. I was super-excited when I heard Honda was going to make a Rebel 500, since I've been longing for 'a Rebel with a larger engine' - in those exact words - for seven years. But they lied. This is still a nice bike, but very disappointing with its super-uncomfortable (and inexplicable) long reach and big-dick exhaust pipe.
I'll never understand why manufacturers take a square digital display and force it into a circular gauge and add those black outs on either side. Just create a circular display, or house it in a rectangular gauge
camillepatricepercussion if you don't buy good gear and a crap used bike than yeah, I agree with you. If you are the kind to buy a Scorpion helmet that doesn't even fit correctly and a Joe Rocket jacket then good luck.
That bike looks great! Good to see Honda beefing up the Rebel a little bit and bringing it into 2017. It's like a smaller Yamaha Bolt, and that's a compliment because Bolts are great bikes. I'm happy to see some diversification of entry-level bikes or bikes for people who just want to look cool putting around town. You're wasting cc's on a 1500 if all you're doing is hopping from stoplight to stoplight. Thanks for the review!
Might want to move the camera up for the next video like this. Reason motovlogs and stuff are so popular isn't just the bike. it's also seeing the other stuff the rider can see. Other than that, great video on a great bike! :)
Honda could go back to its roots. The vintage CB 350, CB 400, and CB 500 were cool designs. This platform is perfect for a standard riding position bike. Just tweak the design a bit and call it the "Vintage CB" or "Heritage CB" line-up?!
Wow, that would be the best beginner bike ever. I still remember the old Honda Rebels. I remember the first time i saw one. I wanted one so bad. But after i rode a bit, I realized the 200 and 400 was to small for me. I started out on a 650cc and never wanted anything smaller then that.
Jojo Crazy Cat looking to buy my first road legal motorcycle. I’ve been looking at 2017 abs or 2018 abs rebel 500. This vid just confirmed my purchase.
Ride-along camera position was way too low - gave a great view of the tank. No performance mention on the highways except what could be minimally seen. Capable speeds? Acceleration? Ride height? Tall friendly? Comparisons? The only impressions I got was appearance and the top of the fuel tank.
They did here what they seem to do in a lot of their videos, breeze over a basic description of the bike and hope you'll visit the website for a full review. They just need to do a bit better at actually telling us there's a more detailed review on their site. A link is in the description.
The bigger dude from Revzilla, Lenny (?), is 275 pounds and took the Rebel 300 easily up to highway speed. I'd say the 500 is probably highway worthy as far as performance goes.
It's about damn time the Rebel got an update. I like the looks but I'm personally not interested in beginner cruisers. It should be awesome for beginners or intermediates, or even a daily putter.
Love it, except the tail light. What's up with that? Does Honda have a warehouse full of tail lights from the 1980s that need a purpose? Beautiful shape, paint, quality... BAM! 1983 brake light.
Personally I think it looks good but looks are subjective. There's too much hate for smaller engines though. It's fun to rip small engines through the gears especially if you commute everyday on a bike.
I would prefer if you guys could be more critical of the bikes that you review. I want to know also the downsides of the bikes, because no bike is perfect. If I don't hear a single bad thing, it smells a bit like a bought review, if you can call it a review even. Just my two cents.
Honda also does that with the cars. I wanted an Accord with 6 speed manual trans, but it is limited to just a few colors. Can't get white if I want a manual transmission!!! SMH
Saw one of these the other day while riding my little Harley 1200 Forty Eight which is awesome but the chic riding the Honda I think got more attention of course one because She is a girl on a bike but also I dont think anyone knew what the bike was including me. Honda really did well with this bike! Looks like a really fun bike to ride. Great video by the way.
I've liked your description about the bike however recording video not good. You should've take that camera on your helmet to take perfect recording. So far so good....
FIANLLY! an upgrade to my rebel 250, heist 250, and v-star 250, im 6' tall and i DO NOT HAVE LITTLE MAN SYNDROME! but the 250 class bikes have awful tech from the 70s, like single cams, air cooling, and 2 valve heads! JUNK!
Man..This is really throwing a wrench in my plans! I mainly into standards and wanted to start with a CB500F or a used Gladius/SV650. Those custom Rebel 500's look gorgeous. I'd love to bob one of these out.
A much better package than the Harley Street 500/750 crap. Google Street 750 brake issues and you'll see how Harley treats their Indian customers 3 years after the bike's release. Some people have been hurt by brake failures that Harley does not want to recall. The owners have started protesting for the last 2 years against them collectively yet Harley doesn't give a rat's ass.
As the proud owner of two 85 shadows, an 1100 and a 500 I honestly say the 500 has certainly been my favorite. Easy to push when out of gas, park, mod, etc. Anyway, can't help but feel enthusiastic about these bikes. My 500 has always been super reliable and just plain fun and I imagine many great adventures are underway.
Thanks for the review but I personally don't like the new look. I prefer the classic look of the Generation 1 Rebels which is why I'll save $6300 and stick to my '87 Wineberry Rebel. ;-)
Love the styling, I wonder if Honda could give us this exact bike with an even bigger twin, better suspension and better brakes? I think that would be cool, like a 750cc or closer to 900.
Sat on this and hated foot peg placement. VERY uncomfortable on knees, I’m 5’8/175 lbs. Can anyone tell me if the Yamaha Bolt is the same seating position??
Stretched out arms may be great for some riders, but for many, including most women, it's a distraction and hampers balance seriously. VERY huge drawback to this bike. Manufacturers are pretending to make bikes more suited for women, but they still don't get it. The huge exhaust pipe, also, does nothing but get in the way, destroying the narrow profile.
Lane splitting, yeah, because so few people die on their bikes. Stupid is as stupid does. Been riding since '85, lost my uncle back in 65 and cousin a few years ago. Tractor trailer jackknifed and flipped in front of me and my brother, did t think we'd survive the sugar sand in the median at highway speeds. Had countless people turn in front of me as if I wasn't there and swapped paint. Why would anyone add something as stupid and inherently dangerous, guess you don't enjoy life
$6000 is £4400 (at time of writing this) yet its £5599 so about $7650 it does have to have abs in europe and britain but still when you include tax £5700 is a bit much
Idk man, Rebels are fucking fantastic starter bikes because they're so damn simple. No fuel gauge, no ABS, no driver aids whatsoever. I mean hell, they did not even have oil filters. Just the rider and his light ass little bike. Even seeing a fuel gauge on it bums me out a little bit and pussies newcomers a little.
Custom tank will be tricky, but some short apes, sissy bar, drop down bar end mirrors then chop and wrap the pipe with some forward foot controls and I'll have a nice little pub hopper for in town crawling.
Cruiser? Really guys? Front end looks like cheap streetbike. Rear end gives a little bit of bobber looks. And engine... also feels like streetbike.... it has no soul of bobber or cruiser
I'm a non rider. Tempted to ride one day but totally against lane splitting. I don't know what my state laws on it are but it looks like an accident waiting to happen. 😩🙈👤💀👣
If this guy is overloading the suspension, of what little travel there is, this bike is out of the question for a lot, if not most non-asians. -But then he never did specify his height or weight for his results....kind of a big hole here.
Nice review! Don't like the bike, but that is just my opinion. LOL Oh it aint bad, just needs about another $1000 of tweaking to make it really GOOD. hahaha!
How is it for casual highway (moderate/long distance) driving? My 250 tops out @ like 65 to low 70's depending on wind. How does the 500 fair on highway max speed? Also, is the headlight/turn/break lights halogen or LED?
Eh, I'm glad they bumped the displacement but I don't know. The 2016 has been that way for the last 5000 years and it's a handsome bike in its own right. The new styling just doesn't look as good at all IMO. Reminds me of a yamaha bolt, which is good in its own right, but yamaha didn't kill another bike to get that look, Honda did. I know this is all triggered by Euro4 emissions bullshit with the ABS requirement and what-not, but it's still unfortunate :(.
I like the bike and I appreciate the information you give, but the format of rider perspective is boring. You don't learn anything new about the bike after a few moments.
I 🖒like it !!! I ride a HD, but I also have a 1997 Honda Rebel. I ride my Honda Rebel when my HD is acting up. It kind of looks like a HD V-Rod. The gas tank is cool, bit it could be a little bigger. The position of the tank is good though. All in all, ✔ it's a cool looking motorcycle.
Jimmy Gonzalez it's tough comparison. There's nothing wrong with the 883 but it's 1970s technology so it touch to justify sticker price. It's a heavy bike and you don't get much power considering it's a 883cc motor. Harleys are like beats by dre or apple computers, you pay a big premium for the name.
I wouldn't get the 883, personally. Buying a Harley aimed at young, economical riders is like buying Tiffany and Co made for teenagers. It's just not their target market and the product you get isn't going to reflect the same standards and quality you would expect for the brand name (and, accordingly, the price). If you want a Harley, but can't afford a decent one, buy a Honda and save until you have enough.
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It is legal here in California!
Still some of the best quality motorcycle videos on YT. Keep up the good work!
Motorcycle.com video is awesome
Motorcycle.com you doing good bro. Thanks for sharing. Great video.
Well all be dang, they finally made the Honda rebel cool. Nice. Honda is making moves!
CycleCruza yeahhh crzuzaaa hope to see on on these sharing your views
CycleCruza I'll be danged*
CycleCruza im dissapointed in you. how do u find the honda civic of motorcycles cool? bland, no soul, small gas tank. it will depreciate so fast. spend it on a real cruiser like a vulcan or any yamaha 950. even the shadow lines are way more attractive its a shame they didnt work on that 750 engine insread.
I have to agree with you. I sat on one last week, the 300. I am a 6 foot tall kinda fat guy, and the seating position was a nice cross between cruiser and standard. I would love to see you be able to review this one.
On the contrary. The old Rebel was one of the best bikes around - or would be if it had a larger engine. I was super-excited when I heard Honda was going to make a Rebel 500, since I've been longing for 'a Rebel with a larger engine' - in those exact words - for seven years. But they lied. This is still a nice bike, but very disappointing with its super-uncomfortable (and inexplicable) long reach and big-dick exhaust pipe.
I'll never understand why manufacturers take a square digital display and force it into a circular gauge and add those black outs on either side. Just create a circular display, or house it in a rectangular gauge
i love the stock design. the round housing matches the bike well.but the digital display is nice and modern
My least favourite part of the bike
I'd instantly peel off those warning stickers.
This is a video of a gas tank...
More people need to ride in America
Lord Voldermort what a stupid excuse. Just admit you're poor and can't afford it
Lord Voldemort Just like most car drivers, right? lol
dbtrackz33 riding isn't expensive?
camillepatricepercussion if you don't buy good gear and a crap used bike than yeah, I agree with you. If you are the kind to buy a Scorpion helmet that doesn't even fit correctly and a Joe Rocket jacket then good luck.
Good point. But it's *you're, goddammit.
That bike looks great! Good to see Honda beefing up the Rebel a little bit and bringing it into 2017. It's like a smaller Yamaha Bolt, and that's a compliment because Bolts are great bikes. I'm happy to see some diversification of entry-level bikes or bikes for people who just want to look cool putting around town. You're wasting cc's on a 1500 if all you're doing is hopping from stoplight to stoplight. Thanks for the review!
wtf is that camera angle ?
Might want to move the camera up for the next video like this. Reason motovlogs and stuff are so popular isn't just the bike. it's also seeing the other stuff the rider can see.
Other than that, great video on a great bike! :)
Honda could go back to its roots. The vintage CB 350, CB 400, and CB 500 were cool designs. This platform is perfect for a standard riding position bike. Just tweak the design a bit and call it the "Vintage CB" or "Heritage CB" line-up?!
Wow, that would be the best beginner bike ever.
I still remember the old Honda Rebels.
I remember the first time i saw one.
I wanted one so bad.
But after i rode a bit, I realized the 200 and 400 was to small for me.
I started out on a 650cc and never wanted anything smaller then that.
Jojo Crazy Cat looking to buy my first road legal motorcycle. I’ve been looking at 2017 abs or 2018 abs rebel 500. This vid just confirmed my purchase.
Ride-along camera position was way too low - gave a great view of the tank. No performance mention on the highways except what could be minimally seen. Capable speeds? Acceleration? Ride height? Tall friendly? Comparisons? The only impressions I got was appearance and the top of the fuel tank.
They did here what they seem to do in a lot of their videos, breeze over a basic description of the bike and hope you'll visit the website for a full review. They just need to do a bit better at actually telling us there's a more detailed review on their site. A link is in the description.
Would have done a lot better to get a bit of 3rd-person footage in there as well.
The bigger dude from Revzilla, Lenny (?), is 275 pounds and took the Rebel 300 easily up to highway speed. I'd say the 500 is probably highway worthy as far as performance goes.
a legend reborn!
It's about damn time the Rebel got an update. I like the looks but I'm personally not interested in beginner cruisers. It should be awesome for beginners or intermediates, or even a daily putter.
Love it, except the tail light. What's up with that? Does Honda have a warehouse full of tail lights from the 1980s that need a purpose? Beautiful shape, paint, quality... BAM! 1983 brake light.
Can't wait for this to become available used in 5 years.
Personally I think it looks good but looks are subjective. There's too much hate for smaller engines though. It's fun to rip small engines through the gears especially if you commute everyday on a bike.
"That's right baby. That's a damn rebel" 😂 I'll sub for that
"Woo! lets see what this rebel can do!"....gets stuck in typical LA 101 traffic. lol.
I've been looking into bikes recently. and this most certainly has my eye. as a soon to be noob, this bike is what I wanted.
Who's the host? Enjoyed the video but he didn't say his name. Haven't seen him previously.
Love the look of the bike because it has a bobber/ cruiser mix look to it.
Who is this new guy? Nice to see a new face on this channel. Hopefully he can up his writing game as he keeps pushing out vids.
functional, elegant, well rounded, I like it, tomato juice can mufflers gotta go
Is that camera on your belt buckle?
Felt like he had the chest strap camera
i just saw this bike today. looks amazing, if you like bikes, you can't not notice her!
I would prefer if you guys could be more critical of the bikes that you review. I want to know also the downsides of the bikes, because no bike is perfect. If I don't hear a single bad thing, it smells a bit like a bought review, if you can call it a review even. Just my two cents.
She's beautiful
Looking for a beginner bike. This might be iy
Better looking than Harley's 750
I don't know about that! But it fits budgets better and is lower on maintainace!
Would you be able to take a pillion on this? I can't ride atm and am curious how this would handle two riders of it could.
Is the honda rebel 300 a good beginner bike? That I can drive to college and work which is only 10 mins away from where I live .
for what i've read, it IS one of the best beginner bikes
"It has some buzz..." LOL, I can't imagine what a Harley would feel like then...
a buzz is more like the 125cc sound, a Harley does not have that problem it just sounds right :D
Wtf dunno why everyone hates it
WTF If you want ABS you can only get the bike in black? That makes no sense.
Honda also does that with the cars. I wanted an Accord with 6 speed manual trans, but it is limited to just a few colors. Can't get white if I want a manual transmission!!! SMH
I can't even watch this video because the gopro is on a chesty. Put it on the dang helmet
I liked the review, but that camera angle is horrible, actually had to not watch to hear the review.
this is my next bike for sure :)
Price is a little steep. FZ07 is only $1k more and 20 more HP. If it had ABS standard, $6k would maybe make sense. The 500 should be $5k.
You want expensive? Rounds out to about $9K in Australia lol
8500 here in Canada. ugh
fucking 11k here in New Zealand :(
Honda has a bit more of a markup than other manufactures, the extra 500-1000 bucks on Honda's is purely for the name.
rclines001 in brazil this is the value of a honda 150 lol
Saw one of these the other day while riding my little Harley 1200 Forty Eight which is awesome but the chic riding the Honda I think got more attention of course one because She is a girl on a bike but also I dont think anyone knew what the bike was including me. Honda really did well with this bike! Looks like a really fun bike to ride. Great video by the way.
I've liked your description about the bike however recording video not good. You should've take that camera on your helmet to take perfect recording. So far so good....
FIANLLY! an upgrade to my rebel 250, heist 250, and v-star 250, im 6' tall and i DO NOT HAVE LITTLE MAN SYNDROME! but the 250 class bikes have awful tech from the 70s, like single cams, air cooling, and 2 valve heads! JUNK!
Saw these at the Long Beach show. They look much cooler in person.
Edit. Lose that hideous AC/DC wannabe noise in the background
Man..This is really throwing a wrench in my plans! I mainly into standards and wanted to start with a CB500F or a used Gladius/SV650. Those custom Rebel 500's look gorgeous. I'd love to bob one of these out.
Hi im a 6'5 male 155 pounds looking for a starter bike would you say with how bike comes i could fit on it
I'll buy it soon 300k pesos in Philippines. Excited nako
A much better package than the Harley Street 500/750 crap. Google Street 750 brake issues and you'll see how Harley treats their Indian customers 3 years after the bike's release. Some people have been hurt by brake failures that Harley does not want to recall. The owners have started protesting for the last 2 years against them collectively yet Harley doesn't give a rat's ass.
As the proud owner of two 85 shadows, an 1100 and a 500 I honestly say the 500 has certainly been my favorite. Easy to push when out of gas, park, mod, etc.
Anyway, can't help but feel enthusiastic about these bikes. My 500 has always been super reliable and just plain fun and I imagine many great adventures are underway.
Thanks for the review but I personally don't like the new look. I prefer the classic look of the Generation 1 Rebels which is why I'll save $6300 and stick to my '87 Wineberry Rebel. ;-)
Love the styling, I wonder if Honda could give us this exact bike with an even bigger twin, better suspension and better brakes? I think that would be cool, like a 750cc or closer to 900.
I was looking at a 2022 Rebel 1100 today, really nice bike.
What’s the mpg? This is a good commuter bike in LA!
It looks so beautiful 😩
$6,000?!
schmoofadoop It’s a amazing price
Sat on this and hated foot peg placement. VERY uncomfortable on knees, I’m 5’8/175 lbs.
Can anyone tell me if the Yamaha Bolt is the same seating position??
Stretched out arms may be great for some riders, but for many, including most women, it's a distraction and hampers balance seriously. VERY huge drawback to this bike. Manufacturers are pretending to make bikes more suited for women, but they still don't get it. The huge exhaust pipe, also, does nothing but get in the way, destroying the narrow profile.
interested in a 500 cruiser but that tank style is hideous
Cool bkes!! in the 60s we pulled off a lot of front and rear mudguards off, ruined a lot of shirts with the fling.
Lane splitting, yeah, because so few people die on their bikes. Stupid is as stupid does. Been riding since '85, lost my uncle back in 65 and cousin a few years ago. Tractor trailer jackknifed and flipped in front of me and my brother, did t think we'd survive the sugar sand in the median at highway speeds. Had countless people turn in front of me as if I wasn't there and swapped paint. Why would anyone add something as stupid and inherently dangerous, guess you don't enjoy life
I think it looks pretty good in the matte black.
Check out my break-in oil change video for the 2017 Honda Rebel.
$6000 is £4400 (at time of writing this) yet its £5599 so about $7650 it does have to have abs in europe and britain but still when you include tax £5700 is a bit much
Love the bike....except for the instruments. It should have normal dials, with digital as an option.
Idk man, Rebels are fucking fantastic starter bikes because they're so damn simple. No fuel gauge, no ABS, no driver aids whatsoever. I mean hell, they did not even have oil filters. Just the rider and his light ass little bike. Even seeing a fuel gauge on it bums me out a little bit and pussies newcomers a little.
Mabye a very stupid question. what's the difference between rebel 500 and rebel cmx 500?
Think I will get. Looks what I’m looking for. And starting.
A "Traylis" frame. lol
Custom tank will be tricky, but some short apes, sissy bar, drop down bar end mirrors then chop and wrap the pipe with some forward foot controls and I'll have a nice little pub hopper for in town crawling.
This bike looks rad. I would definitely get one for my gf if she ever decides to ride .
Couldn't have made an uglier bike if they tried. That dumbass tank angle. Wtf is that supposed to look like, a pre wheelie?
I like everything but the tank. It looks like half of it is missing. Not cool! Other than that, it’s small for me, and I’m just average in height.
Cruiser? Really guys? Front end looks like cheap streetbike. Rear end gives a little bit of bobber looks. And engine... also feels like streetbike.... it has no soul of bobber or cruiser
I'm a non rider. Tempted to ride one day but totally against lane splitting. I don't know what my state laws on it are but it looks like an accident waiting to happen. 😩🙈👤💀👣
Honda Rebel 500 vs Harley Davidson Street 500 shootout please.
This was a good review, minus the body camera footage while riding.
Hello @Motorcycle.com what kind of helmet camera are you using? Great video and audio!
Speaking does not come easy for this fellow....
Yamaha Bolt Replica? LOL
would this be a good bike for a first time rider?
Juan Ochoa yes
If this guy is overloading the suspension, of what little travel there is, this bike is out of the question for a lot, if not most non-asians. -But then he never did specify his height or weight for his results....kind of a big hole here.
better then the 250.
Nice review! Don't like the bike, but that is just my opinion. LOL Oh it aint bad, just needs about another $1000 of tweaking to make it really GOOD. hahaha!
i miss the old cruiser look of the rebel, the new one is one ugly motorcycle. it is just a CBR without the covers.
The amount of times you didn't do the lifesaver
Why is the 500 so much more money? For an extra 200cc's and nothing else?
How is it for casual highway (moderate/long distance) driving?
My 250 tops out @ like 65 to low 70's depending on wind.
How does the 500 fair on highway max speed?
Also, is the headlight/turn/break lights halogen or LED?
i absolutely hate the sound of the motor and the exhaust itself is horrible sounding... it's just so soft and quite
I’m 4”8 and I’m honestly not sure I can fit on one,what y’all think?
I'm 14, 5'9 and I fit it almost perfectly already, very light bike may be my future bike.
otrrhvr g.j m fhijc tall ass 14 year old
I’m just getting into bikes and I have a question are bikes auto or what sorry I’m new to bikes
ridiculous they make the safer ABS jet black
Who is this guy... What a boring review. We're are the usual chaps??
C'mon guys, for that price tag it's a great fucking bike.
nothing beats my 86 Rebel 450
Now your talkin'! I love my first Generation Rebel too!
Somebody... Honda or Yamaha... Really ought to focus on COMMUTING... Put TPM, cruise-control and belt-drive on a high mpg, standard -style bike!!!
Eh, I'm glad they bumped the displacement but I don't know. The 2016 has been that way for the last 5000 years and it's a handsome bike in its own right. The new styling just doesn't look as good at all IMO. Reminds me of a yamaha bolt, which is good in its own right, but yamaha didn't kill another bike to get that look, Honda did.
I know this is all triggered by Euro4 emissions bullshit with the ABS requirement and what-not, but it's still unfortunate :(.
I like the bike and I appreciate the information you give, but the format of rider perspective is boring. You don't learn anything new about the bike after a few moments.
I 🖒like it !!! I ride a HD, but I also have a 1997 Honda Rebel. I ride my Honda Rebel when my HD is acting up. It kind of looks like a HD V-Rod. The gas tank is cool, bit it could be a little bigger. The position of the tank is good though. All in all, ✔ it's a cool
looking motorcycle.
Where is the location with the trains and graffiti at? Are you allowed to ride there or do you need any special permit?
still better than Harley 883.
Can yo explain? I'm deciding between an H883 and the Rebel 500.
Jimmy Gonzalez it's tough comparison. There's nothing wrong with the 883 but it's 1970s technology so it touch to justify sticker price. It's a heavy bike and you don't get much power considering it's a 883cc motor. Harleys are like beats by dre or apple computers, you pay a big premium for the name.
And big money for repairs too, if you want stock Harley parts.
I wouldn't get the 883, personally. Buying a Harley aimed at young, economical riders is like buying Tiffany and Co made for teenagers. It's just not their target market and the product you get isn't going to reflect the same standards and quality you would expect for the brand name (and, accordingly, the price). If you want a Harley, but can't afford a decent one, buy a Honda and save until you have enough.
The harleys leak alot of oil and need to be babied to keep going. The honda you can hammer is 24/7 and only needs an oil change