Tornado has such a special design. And the Vulcan is both beautiful and scary! Here in Tuscany, during the Falkland/Malvinas war, a Vulcan with no paint and signs flew upon my house VERY LOW going to North. An astonishing, terrific experience!
A few losses is not a high price to pay. Not at all. Keeping their heads down and keeping the idea of a low level threat on the map was a huge, huge contribution. This type of mission will always be necessary. Always. This is an excellent plane even today. Like the A-10, it fills a niche that will always be needed especially in environments where the enemy air support has already be annihilated
I remember as a kid in Britain you'd see them screaming past overhead and my Grandad would get all excited shouting ''look, it's a Tornado!!''. I was still trying to get my hearing back.
I had the honour of working on Tornado GR1, GR1a and GR4... In total 11 years. As a low level ground attack aircraft I believe they where second to none.
It certainly earned it's name with that roar. I was lucky enough to have one bank just over me at an airshow, it couldn't have been more than 50ft above and I felt that exhaust hit me like I had been shoved. It was glorious. I swear the design just looks like a shark.
Funny enough: when I was in highschool I wanted to become pilot and visited the Luftwaffe in my region (open door day). The pilots were really hating the Tornado. Not that it was not efficient. But they said, that it was massively underpowered, and that they even had to calculate the angles when flying more aggressively, because of stalls and a lack of thrust. They just were envying American jets like the F-15, F-16 or even F/A-18 for their performance.
Tornado's r well known for their power. They certainly had more than any of the jets u mentioned. It beat the fa18 by 300lb's each engine so it had decent power but being a high speed/low level jet it was heavy n didnt focus on maneuverability but rather stableness for accurate bombing n stability for safety at those levels. Good aircraft for its intended role imo. One of the best. Thing is that they then adapted a few as interceptors too which is a role they were not designed for but still managed. Jus shows how good the design was.
@@akiali2632 "They certainly had more [power] than any of the jets u mentioned." The figures I find indicate it had a lower thrust-to-weight ratio that all of them.
@@gort8203 it did. As i mentioned the craft was heavy but that was by design. It wasnt made as a dogfighter but rather as a low flying high speed bomber. Then only later being adapted as an interceptor also. Never had a dogfighting variant. Wasnt built for it. Id b surprised if it had similar thrust to weight as a fighter
@@akiali2632 You make no sense at all. You said: “Tornado's r well known for their power. They certainly had more than any of the jets u mentioned.” This is not true. Just look at the numbers in Wikipedia. YUu said: “It beat the fa18 by 300lb's each engine so it had decent power” That is not true. Just look at the numbers in Wikipedia. You said: “it did. As i mentioned the craft was heavy but that was by design” As shown above, it did not. And "heavy" is a relative term. The Tornado gross weight is 44,622 pounds, only 122 pounds more than the F-15C, which has significantly more thrust and a far superior power-to-weight ratio. (And a max takeoff weight of 68,000 pounds). You said: “It wasnt made as a dogfighter” Yes, we all know that. This is the first correct thing you have said, but that does not make your inaccurate statements about its power and weight correct. You tried to contest the original comment about Luftwaffe pilots relating that the plane was massively underpowered by making untrue statements about its power and weight compared to the aircraft the Luftwaffe pilots reportedly envied. The Tornado was not designed for dogfighting, but you can bet they had occasion to fly with and perhaps defend themselves against the aircraft you claim were less powerful, and they obviously could see the difference that you cannot seem to.
This video is mis-titled. It does discuss the Tornado, but only for 25 minutes. It is more properly about the TSR-2, which begins at the 25 minute mark, for the remainder of the 1 hour and 21 minute video.
I don't quite understand how my all time favorite interceptor is the F-104, YET the Tornado appeals to me so much. I just love it. And I'm a pilot with 2 ratings.
A freind of mine was pilot instructor on tornado, and flew the type for a total of twelve years. I asked him if he had ever actually used the headlined maximum airspeed during his career. The answer was no. Never.
The GR4s we had at Marham had steel rods put in place of the hydraulic jacks on the air intakes doors preventing it from being able to go supersonic at all. The F3 would be taken supersonic over the sea on occasion, the GR4 only transonic at best.
@@Nicho137Racing Those actuators where prone to leaking OM 15 all inside the intake. There was a mod to take out the small panels above the "metal rods" as they started cracking after the leaky actuators were removed.
The Brits invented radar and sonar. They are still very talented in electronics and engineering. Painstaking research and development isn't something you share for free.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 The British needed our industrial capacity. They bought it with their know how. The U.S. became the leader in electronics before the 1950's in part because of our free tech exchange between nations. And the Brits got the Bomb out of the deal. And the Brits were instrumental in starting off our nuclear program. They knew, roughly how to do it. With American resources, both technological, and industrial, the sun rose twice on Japan. England gave the world the industrial, and electronic age. They changed the world. Then, they quite wisely, set it free.
Oh lordy-lord... The TSR-2 looks just *soo* good. 👍 It would have been so interesting /astounding to have seen the ongoing history of that plane ! Just a few thoughts: The 104 Starfighter also had short, stubby wings. But what would a sizeable plane like the TSR2 would have been able to accomplish during it's production life ? -A plane like that, but...*not*...produced in 🇺🇸 (Wouldn't that! have been interesting). - Anyhoo...I have several thoughts about this, but I expect that you all have similar (musings?) as well ...🌱 (sorry about my english). Cheers from Iceland 🇮🇸 -K
I really want to love your channel but calling a video over an hour long a documentary about the Tornado when in reality only the first 23 minutes have anything to do with the Tornado. The rest is a wonderful documentary about the fantastic British TSR 2. These should have been two separate videos .
The eventual fate of the TSR-2 closely parallels the fate of the UK car industry as a whole. Bloated management, redundant "committees", OCD behaviours amongst said management....It seems there was and is, a malevolent push to make sure the UK does not create anything remotely resembling a "heavy industry". A country cannot thrive on past glories, and these so-called "service industries"....a country needs to crate, fabricate things of greatness.
Bonjour , merci . Triste fin pour le tsr2 . En France , nous avons eu l'équivalent avec le mirage 4 , qui lui a été sauvé par le général de Gaulle . l'Angleterre n'a pas eu un grand homme comme lui . Grâce à lui , l'industrie aéronautique française fonctionne toujours . Il était vraiment magnifique le tsr2 . Au revoir .
I may be wrong but I seem to remember that during the first Iraqi war, the Tornados were being shot down so frequently that they had to raise their minimum altitude for bombing. This means that it was not made more resistant to ground fire like the A-10 was. Also, top speed in almost all jets is only for public consumption and not for normal use. I flew the F-4B and reached Mach II one time in five years because that was my allotted Mach run so that McDonnell could award me my Mach II pin. In an interceptor role defending a carrier or high-value target, top speed may have a role but in everyday use not so much.
I don’t know how old this video is, but the the Tornado was retired from RAF service in 2019. The 27mm cannon was a Mauser, not Aden. The TFR was not removed when FLIR and TIALD were fitted. The biggest result of fitting the FLIR was the loss of supersonic performance, but on the plus side, it meant the complex and unreliable engine intake ramp system could be removed.
True, tho.. Since Great Britain decided to become just Britain by just not being an absolutely large empire on Earth and let it's colonies like Australia become countries themselves which made the Brits not a global superpower anymore
@@Gachaheathunter109great Britain is the name given to Scotland, Wales, and England combined. It has nothing to do with the UK's colonies. I'm going to guess, since you mentioned Australia in your comment, that you are most likely Australian yourself. I hope you realise that Australia would not be the country it is today if the UK had never made it a colony. If you are an aborigine you may understandably not see this as a good thing. I'm getting a little bit sick of hearing people complain about the UK's colonial past. You do realise we were not the only country to have colonies. Here is a list to remind you, France (90), Portugal (52), Spain (44), Netherlands (29), Germany (20), Russia (17), Denmark (9), Sweden (8), Italy (7), Norway (6) and Belgium (3). Even Scotland had a failed attempt, yes England had the most at 130. But that doesn't mean we should be the only country to receive criticism. At present France still has the largest overseas colonial empire, but I never hear them receiving any criticism, it's always aimed at the UK. How much time has to pass before people will let it lie.
@@Gachaheathunter109 sorry about the rant, I just wanted to add that I have absolutely nothing against Australia or any of the countries I listed. Like I mentioned I'm just a bit sick of my country getting criticism about its past. I'm not saying that the UK doesn't deserve some criticism, I'm saying how much time needs to pass before people stop bringing it up. the UK has been invaded by the Normans, Romans and the Vikings but people in this country don't constantly complain about Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy and France. Again apologies for the rant, I just needed to get that off my chest. 😊
When i was a kid i had a Tornado canopy i got from my neighbour. It was rejected for having some tiny misty bit somewhere on it that i could never find. I used to throw rocks at it smash it with hammers use it like a see saw it was basically industructible. Those kind of materials are just not something you experience in every day life it felt like alien technology!
Wow, their government shot their whole aerospace program in the foot and hobbled it for generations. Imagine what they could have learned and built if they hadn't done that. A country leading in that industry got decapitated because of politicians who thought they knew better sounds very familiar indeed.
I always thought tornado has too small wings ..... then I needed to wake up , Thomas it is not a dogfighter ........ they say Tornado RIDES really well down there at the ground very smooth. So .... if it is not a dogfighter WHY they equipped and made some interceptors out of it???? Please explain cause the wings are too small and THAT is why it rides so well at ground level.
When did America tell you that? And why would America tell UK that? TSR2 was an expensive airplane that nobody else wanted, in an era that UK was cutting down its own aviation industry.
the RAF should have fielded a fleet of no less than 338 brand new Panavia TORNADO IDS GR1 multi role interdictor strike fighter throughout the airframe's production cycle . . . airborne ECR should have been delegated to Electric Lightning multi role air superiority fighter or the Hawker Hunter FSR2 multi role fighter . . .
I read somewhere that the tornado has been retired in the British Air Force, why don’t we sell them at a reduced cost to the Ukrainians so they can do their low-flying SEAD missions against Putin & the Ruskies
Our Tornados were knackered by the time they retired. We out far more hours on the airframes than any other nation, and they routinely had component failures.
Sadly, when Putin started his war, nearly all the Royal Air Force Tornado's were either in scrap yards being broken up or in museums up and down the UK or donated to other countries museums.
Having problems confirming that the RAF 617 sq won the top position in bombing and navigation re:SAC bomb comp in 1984, maybe it's just main stream media bias or not?.
British Labour Goverment, who in 1957 cancelled all new Aircraft development because of Sams , then cancelled the TSR.2 because of none existant faults, which funnely were present on the early F111s which the ordered the cancelled. then in the late 2000s they decided to scrap aircraft which still had plenty of hours and uptodate equipment, and wait for the F-35B and the conserative goverment not buy enough of them to equip one new carrier.
Why was this unique and peerless warbird retired without any apparent replacement ever considered? Strike Command lost the most capable weapons platform at its disposal it has ever had.
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Really? In what historical facts suggest that the 2 were even similar? Different missions in different countries with different historical backgrounds in aviation. The UK was looking to consolidate its years-old industry, while Canada had a comparatively shorter history. Canada cancelled Arrow and substituted an imported aircraft. The UK cancelled TSR2 and replaced it with....a domestic aircraft. All they really have in common is that both were extremely expensive projects that nobody else was interested in, including the respective developers of each plane. Canada wasn't interested in an interceptor version of TSR2, and the UK rejected Arrow.
Strange that Britain couldn't develope a aircraft project by itself due to high costs?! France could and even a little country like Sweden could carry their own projects.
They could develop the airplane, but it made more sense to develop them in partnership, share the costs, and ensure that there would be customers for it. As for Draken, it's a great airplane, but didnt it use foreign weapons, and license built versions of foreign radar and engines? If so, it's a great airplane that relied on off the shelf technology.
Yes. Because we have the resources to sustain the operation, from money to geographical. Also, the USA is comprised of immigrants from Germany, England, etc, etc. That being said, our technological innovation is pretty much unmatched at this point in history. But listen, I will never question/doubt/criticize the intelligence, innovation, or inventive ability of the German people. So not really wanting to argue here. Just putting in my 2 cents of support for my country, the USA.
The TSR2 was a sin what they did with such a promising great fighter!! Another example of poor government decisions and a possible legendary fighter scrapped for unclear reasons until later we found out it was straight up corruption!!!
I always loved the tornado it just looks like a beast of an aircraft I had a picture of a fully loaded tornado on my wall when I was younger I know it was a collaboration but I would get my house on it that if Britain had the financial clout as what the Americans have at their disposal then we would be world beaters in design and product inventions
This bad boy kicked butt in 2 Gulf Wars ! And will someone please explain to me WHY we were EVER afraid of the USSR ?? Ukraine is kicking their ass ! Yes, the western powers are supplying them arms, but still - at the beginning, Feb of 2022, BEFORE they were getting that aid, they stopped the attempt to capture Keiv COLD. GO UKRAINE 🇺🇦 !
European countries must stop buying planes from the USA and continue to develop European technology. Europe can alone meet aviation needs if it has the courage to do so. forget shopping in the USA. This holds Europe back.
I feel like the TSR2 and the Avro Arrow both fell victim to bloated budgets and political blaming. Both could easy have challenged the American designs of the day. Had they become full production programs they may have been hugely successful as both indigenous aind export programs. Both were gorgeous planes.....sigh to political short sightedness.
Strange how the TSR2 project failed, when the international Panavia project succeeded. Both projects were the result of aerospace consortiums. I was unaware that the U.S. was an influence in the cancelation of the TSR2. Seems that we killed it along with the Canadian Arrow in order to sell planes. This put America in a position of aerospace dominance throughout NATO. Was it a good thing? Our birds are the best, but that almost wasn't the case. Britain survived the battle of Britain due to a firm commitment to air superiority. They had a talent for making the best aircraft in the world, and undoubtedly the best areo engines in the world. But as the sun set on the British Empire, England had to become more practical. Too practical. Here in America, I'm hard pressed to purchase anything that is made in England. How do Brits make money anyways? Their people are talented, but muzzled by an overly liberal government. At least they are still awesome at making engines, and British electronics are still formidable. I'm sure England still has much to offer in the realm of aerospace, but their independence is gone.
You may be unaware but I saw how the Skybolt program was dropped at a meeting of the two heads of government and Britain was told to use Polaris. The TSR2 could never have gone over target and returned. It was the first stage for the cruise missile with the Hbomb on the tip. Tomahawk does a single trip.
The versions in War Thunder are not the fighter version. The fighter version is the ADV version, not the IDS and also not the Marineflieger version. (Although technically the ADV is more of an interceptor than a pure fighter, much like the Mig23ML, but atleast it is much more of a fighter than the current ingame versions are)
Meanwhile, after Desert Storm where the Tornado performed a very important role where it was asked to do LOW LEVEL strikes against Saddam’s airfields using ordinance only the Tornado was equipped to deliver, it was phased out of service to be replaced by the Eurofighter Typhoon. The Tornado was top notch in its day but by the new century it was obsolete.
@@Spooky_32 For the record I don't have the tornado, I play US, Russian, and France. I already knew the tornado in-game is the strike version and is cannon fodder. If Gajin had released this thing a few patched back it be ok.. but instead it got released with the F16 and Mig29 together.
@@Spooky_32 I only mention the tornado from War Thunder because I find it funny because it was released in December game patch and this video happened to come out which I find the timing funny.
@13:11 I mean, the F-15C literally fit the bill... literally. The exception is low level of which the F-4 was EXTREMELY good at, one of the fastest bastards on the deck, and its massive nose was equipped with terrain following radar during the development of Wild Weasel mission roles in Vietnam. The Tornado was amazing but I wish these features were realistic and look into the serious political plays that happen here. The Union was forming in the lead up to this and the promise of propping up Panavia was a boon for jobs, jobs which garunteed votes. If the British wanted air defense, the F-15Cs were perfectly fine. If they wanted ground interdiction, F-4s worked too (though the engine swap was stupid and yet AGAIN, this was political agenda because they wanted to justify having a British F-4 program via jobs and Rolls Royce was happy to put lobby money behind that...)
Those who stopped the TSR 2 project and their broad families should have been disowned and put in prison for the rest of their lives. And also the supporters of this crime too.
Gus Gone Gus Gone 14 hours ago This telling completely omits the role of the KGB in the cancellation of the superb aircraft. How the heavily infiltrated Labour party and TUC were central to the plot. The soviets were terrified of the nuclear threat it posed and needed it terminated. They also wanted the research. Labour spies gave them both .
I hate to say it but you Brits, and the European union can never match wat the United States puts in the air, on the sea or for that matter on the ground. You might get a close matchup under certain circumstances but you will never be able to do a door to door comparison it's take the logically impossible
That might have something to do with the fact the US spends more on defence than the next 10 largest spenders combined. We don't need to compete with the US, because their defence budget subsidises our defence 😂
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Tornado has such a special design.
And the Vulcan is both beautiful and scary!
Here in Tuscany, during the Falkland/Malvinas war, a Vulcan with no paint and signs flew upon my house VERY LOW going to North. An astonishing, terrific experience!
A few losses is not a high price to pay. Not at all. Keeping their heads down and keeping the idea of a low level threat on the map was a huge, huge contribution. This type of mission will always be necessary. Always. This is an excellent plane even today. Like the A-10, it fills a niche that will always be needed especially in environments where the enemy air support has already be annihilated
Like the A-10 I think this machine is one of the perfect examples of cold war warriors. It's a fantastic machine.
Total respect.
I remember as a kid in Britain you'd see them screaming past overhead and my Grandad would get all excited shouting ''look, it's a Tornado!!''. I was still trying to get my hearing back.
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I had the honour of working on Tornado GR1, GR1a and GR4... In total 11 years. As a low level ground attack aircraft I believe they where second to none.
It certainly earned it's name with that roar. I was lucky enough to have one bank just over me at an airshow, it couldn't have been more than 50ft above and I felt that exhaust hit me like I had been shoved. It was glorious.
I swear the design just looks like a shark.
Still one sexy aircraft up there with the Tomcat... Imo
Don't forget the F-4! All absolute beasts.
The British defence industry needs to be rebuilt.
we dont need defence , the government are letting the invaders in freely 🙂
Funny enough: when I was in highschool I wanted to become pilot and visited the Luftwaffe in my region (open door day).
The pilots were really hating the Tornado. Not that it was not efficient. But they said, that it was massively underpowered, and that they even had to calculate the angles when flying more aggressively, because of stalls and a lack of thrust. They just were envying American jets like the F-15, F-16 or even F/A-18 for their performance.
Tornado's r well known for their power. They certainly had more than any of the jets u mentioned. It beat the fa18 by 300lb's each engine so it had decent power but being a high speed/low level jet it was heavy n didnt focus on maneuverability but rather stableness for accurate bombing n stability for safety at those levels. Good aircraft for its intended role imo. One of the best.
Thing is that they then adapted a few as interceptors too which is a role they were not designed for but still managed. Jus shows how good the design was.
@@akiali2632 "They certainly had more [power] than any of the jets u mentioned." The figures I find indicate it had a lower thrust-to-weight ratio that all of them.
@@gort8203 it did. As i mentioned the craft was heavy but that was by design. It wasnt made as a dogfighter but rather as a low flying high speed bomber. Then only later being adapted as an interceptor also. Never had a dogfighting variant. Wasnt built for it. Id b surprised if it had similar thrust to weight as a fighter
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You make no sense at all.
You said: “Tornado's r well known for their power. They certainly had more than any of the jets u mentioned.”
This is not true. Just look at the numbers in Wikipedia.
YUu said: “It beat the fa18 by 300lb's each engine so it had decent power”
That is not true. Just look at the numbers in Wikipedia.
You said: “it did. As i mentioned the craft was heavy but that was by design”
As shown above, it did not. And "heavy" is a relative term. The Tornado gross weight is 44,622 pounds, only 122 pounds more than the F-15C, which has significantly more thrust and a far superior power-to-weight ratio. (And a max takeoff weight of 68,000 pounds).
You said: “It wasnt made as a dogfighter”
Yes, we all know that. This is the first correct thing you have said, but that does not make your inaccurate statements about its power and weight correct.
You tried to contest the original comment about Luftwaffe pilots relating that the plane was massively underpowered by making untrue statements about its power and weight compared to the aircraft the Luftwaffe pilots reportedly envied. The Tornado was not designed for dogfighting, but you can bet they had occasion to fly with and perhaps defend themselves against the aircraft you claim were less powerful, and they obviously could see the difference that you cannot seem to.
This video is mis-titled. It does discuss the Tornado, but only for 25 minutes. It is more properly about the TSR-2, which begins at the 25 minute mark, for the remainder of the 1 hour and 21 minute video.
Same vid you uploaded a couple of weeks ago?
It was an excellent vid! But inevitably, it was
A major audio mishap was corrected 😊
The old one has music that was often louder than the narration haha
@@Dronescapes ah right. Cool
I don't quite understand how my all time favorite interceptor is the F-104, YET the Tornado appeals to me so much. I just love it. And I'm a pilot with 2 ratings.
Nothing tops the F22 & the F35 Raptor.... America has the best air force...
A freind of mine was pilot instructor on tornado, and flew the type for a total of twelve years. I asked him if he had ever actually used the headlined maximum airspeed during his career. The answer was no. Never.
The GR4s we had at Marham had steel rods put in place of the hydraulic jacks on the air intakes doors preventing it from being able to go supersonic at all. The F3 would be taken supersonic over the sea on occasion, the GR4 only transonic at best.
@@Nicho137Racing Those actuators where prone to leaking OM 15 all inside the intake. There was a mod to take out the small panels above the "metal rods" as they started cracking after the leaky actuators were removed.
The real interesting aspect is still kept secret, the development of the electronic systems of the Tornado.
The Brits invented radar and sonar. They are still very talented in electronics and engineering. Painstaking research and development isn't something you share for free.
@@SliceofLife7777The English did.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 The British needed our industrial capacity. They bought it with their know how.
The U.S. became the leader in electronics before the 1950's in part because of our free tech exchange between nations. And the Brits got the Bomb out of the deal.
And the Brits were instrumental in starting off our nuclear program. They knew, roughly how to do it. With American resources, both technological, and industrial, the sun rose twice on Japan. England gave the world the industrial, and electronic age. They changed the world. Then, they quite wisely, set it free.
Tornada used the Muaser cannon, not the Aden.
5:13 "In fact, it became obvious that no European nation could produce a major avioation project by itself"...
France and Dassault: Of my baguette...
Oh lordy-lord...
The TSR-2 looks just *soo* good. 👍
It would have been so interesting /astounding
to have seen the ongoing history of that plane !
Just a few thoughts: The 104 Starfighter also had short, stubby wings. But what would a sizeable plane like the TSR2 would have been able to accomplish during it's production life ?
-A plane like that, but...*not*...produced in 🇺🇸
(Wouldn't that! have been interesting).
- Anyhoo...I have several thoughts about this, but I expect that you all have similar (musings?) as well ...🌱
(sorry about my english).
Cheers from Iceland 🇮🇸
-K
Also, (as a "by the way"),
I have always absolutely loved the look & just generally speaking, the design of the Jaguar) !
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You have wonderful English! :)
Tornado is a cool aircraft 👍
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Yes, yes there where.
What a beautiful machine
I really want to love your channel but calling a video over an hour long a documentary about the Tornado when in reality only the first 23 minutes have anything to do with the Tornado. The rest is a wonderful documentary about the fantastic British TSR 2. These should have been two separate videos .
The eventual fate of the TSR-2 closely parallels the fate of the UK car industry as a whole. Bloated management, redundant "committees", OCD behaviours amongst said management....It seems there was and is, a malevolent push to make sure the UK does not create anything remotely resembling a "heavy industry". A country cannot thrive on past glories, and these so-called "service industries"....a country needs to crate, fabricate things of greatness.
Bonjour , merci . Triste fin pour le tsr2 . En France , nous avons eu l'équivalent avec le mirage 4 , qui lui a été sauvé par le général de Gaulle .
l'Angleterre n'a pas eu un grand homme comme lui . Grâce à lui , l'industrie aéronautique française fonctionne toujours .
Il était vraiment magnifique le tsr2 .
Au revoir .
I may be wrong but I seem to remember that during the first Iraqi war, the Tornados were being shot down so frequently that they had to raise their minimum altitude for bombing. This means that it was not made more resistant to ground fire like the A-10 was. Also, top speed in almost all jets is only for public consumption and not for normal use. I flew the F-4B and reached Mach II one time in five years because that was my allotted Mach run so that McDonnell could award me my Mach II pin. In an interceptor role defending a carrier or high-value target, top speed may have a role but in everyday use not so much.
They were assigned for the low altitude high risk bombing. Which was the reason they frequently was shoot down.
We had the same issue in Canada with the avro arrows. Politics get involved.
I don’t know how old this video is, but the the Tornado was retired from RAF service in 2019. The 27mm cannon was a Mauser, not Aden. The TFR was not removed when FLIR and TIALD were fitted. The biggest result of fitting the FLIR was the loss of supersonic performance, but on the plus side, it meant the complex and unreliable engine intake ramp system could be removed.
Even when virtually penniless and in debt Britain shoulders its defence responsibilities that helped protect Europe!
I watched this thing fly at an airshow in Canada circa 1990. It flew around like a tired old fart.
I love 💘 this plane 😍 so much
The only reason the UK has gone from Great Britain to just Britain is our politicians and our successive self serving governments.
True, tho.. Since Great Britain decided to become just Britain by just not being an absolutely large empire on Earth and let it's colonies like Australia become countries themselves which made the Brits not a global superpower anymore
@@Gachaheathunter109great Britain is the name given to Scotland, Wales, and England combined. It has nothing to do with the UK's colonies.
I'm going to guess, since you mentioned Australia in your comment, that you are most likely Australian yourself. I hope you realise that Australia would not be the country it is today if the UK had never made it a colony. If you are an aborigine you may understandably not see this as a good thing.
I'm getting a little bit sick of hearing people complain about the UK's colonial past. You do realise we were not the only country to have colonies. Here is a list to remind you, France (90), Portugal (52), Spain (44), Netherlands (29), Germany (20), Russia (17), Denmark (9), Sweden (8), Italy (7), Norway (6) and Belgium (3). Even Scotland had a failed attempt, yes England had the most at 130. But that doesn't mean we should be the only country to receive criticism. At present France still has the largest overseas colonial empire, but I never hear them receiving any criticism, it's always aimed at the UK. How much time has to pass before people will let it lie.
@@Gachaheathunter109 sorry about the rant, I just wanted to add that I have absolutely nothing against Australia or any of the countries I listed. Like I mentioned I'm just a bit sick of my country getting criticism about its past. I'm not saying that the UK doesn't deserve some criticism, I'm saying how much time needs to pass before people stop bringing it up.
the UK has been invaded by the Normans, Romans and the Vikings but people in this country don't constantly complain about Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy and France.
Again apologies for the rant, I just needed to get that off my chest. 😊
@@tryaluck Ayo, i don't even know
@@tryaluck Oh, but I'm not Australian, I'm just Pilipino
When i was a kid i had a Tornado canopy i got from my neighbour. It was rejected for having some tiny misty bit somewhere on it that i could never find. I used to throw rocks at it smash it with hammers use it like a see saw it was basically industructible. Those kind of materials are just not something you experience in every day life it felt like alien technology!
WHATS THE COMBAT RANGE OF THE TORNADO GR1
They went into action with a fuel fool load 19:40, does that sound off???
Great video, but it is misstitled. This video is about TSR2, rather than the Tornado.
excellent
Wow, their government shot their whole aerospace program in the foot and hobbled it for generations. Imagine what they could have learned and built if they hadn't done that. A country leading in that industry got decapitated because of politicians who thought they knew better sounds very familiar indeed.
I always thought tornado has too small wings ..... then I needed to wake up , Thomas it is not a dogfighter ........ they say Tornado RIDES really well down there at the ground very smooth. So .... if it is not a dogfighter WHY they equipped and made some interceptors out of it???? Please explain cause the wings are too small and THAT is why it rides so well at ground level.
The tsr2 was scrapped because America told us to
When did America tell you that? And why would America tell UK that? TSR2 was an expensive airplane that nobody else wanted, in an era that UK was cutting down its own aviation industry.
the RAF should have fielded a fleet of no less than 338 brand new Panavia TORNADO IDS GR1 multi role interdictor strike fighter throughout the airframe's production cycle . . . airborne ECR should have been delegated to Electric Lightning multi role air superiority fighter or the Hawker Hunter FSR2 multi role fighter . . .
The RAF never used the Tornado ECR.
Both the Vulcan and Tornado need replacement as there currently a massive gap in the RAF
5:05 the BAE hawk?
Why is the content so choppy? Is it on an icebreaker or not !
4/5's of this documentary is about the TSR 2. I have no issue with that as a subject, but to call this a "Tornado" documentary is very misleading.
at 23:39 the distortion on the VHS sounds Uber!
Why I must have that Tornado game (developed by Digital Integration) on my gog wishlist.
I read somewhere that the tornado has been retired in the British Air Force, why don’t we sell them at a reduced cost to the Ukrainians so they can do their low-flying SEAD missions against Putin & the Ruskies
Our Tornados were knackered by the time they retired. We out far more hours on the airframes than any other nation, and they routinely had component failures.
Sadly, when Putin started his war, nearly all the Royal Air Force Tornado's were either in scrap yards being broken up or in museums up and down the UK or donated to other countries museums.
The British should have just bought f-15
Britain's Arrow.
Having problems confirming that the RAF 617 sq won the top position in bombing and navigation re:SAC bomb comp in 1984, maybe it's just main stream media bias or not?.
British Labour Goverment, who in 1957 cancelled all new Aircraft development because of Sams , then cancelled the TSR.2 because of none existant faults, which funnely were present on the early F111s which the ordered the cancelled. then in the late 2000s they decided to scrap aircraft which still had plenty of hours and uptodate equipment, and wait for the F-35B and the conserative goverment not buy enough of them to equip one new carrier.
5:39 it's a JAGUAR not a JAGWAR.
Yep and it's aeroplane not airplane.
I promise. I know two guys involved with it...🤯🤯..absolute gentlemen🫡🫡..J miss them. A lot.😢
It's sad the tsr2 story is better known, he'll of a plane, I know if I saw one coming in as a ground troop I'd be changing my underware
Why was this unique and peerless warbird retired without any apparent replacement ever considered?
Strike Command lost the most capable weapons platform at its disposal it has ever had.
Jedyny samolot z ktorego Brytole (Niemcy i Włosi) mogą być naprawdę dumni. Jesze Harier perla w brytyjskiej koronie i to by było na tyle.
14:14 F14 😂
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The tornado would be good for the Ukrainian Air Force they can use up what little life is left on the fighter bombers
The TSR-2 was exactly like it's Canadian counterpart the Avro Arrow.
Really? In what historical facts suggest that the 2 were even similar? Different missions in different countries with different historical backgrounds in aviation. The UK was looking to consolidate its years-old industry, while Canada had a comparatively shorter history. Canada cancelled Arrow and substituted an imported aircraft. The UK cancelled TSR2 and replaced it with....a domestic aircraft. All they really have in common is that both were extremely expensive projects that nobody else was interested in, including the respective developers of each plane. Canada wasn't interested in an interceptor version of TSR2, and the UK rejected Arrow.
always thought the TSR2 looked like the north American A5 vigilante if any airframe comparison is needed.
i am thinking that i can see a lot of borrowed designs for the F15, from this Great British and our partners airplane. 👈👺👀👀
F-15's design was borrowed from Tornado?
Strange that Britain couldn't develope a aircraft project by itself due to high costs?! France could and even a little country like Sweden could carry their own projects.
But together with the French they developed a marvel of aviation: the Concorde
They could develop the airplane, but it made more sense to develop them in partnership, share the costs, and ensure that there would be customers for it.
As for Draken, it's a great airplane, but didnt it use foreign weapons, and license built versions of foreign radar and engines? If so, it's a great airplane that relied on off the shelf technology.
@@winternow2242Even modern Gripens use a lot of foreign components. There's a lot of US (and other) tech under that Swedish skin
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I suppose the yanks saved the day again .....with British and German innovation of course.
Yes. Because we have the resources to sustain the operation, from money to geographical. Also, the USA is comprised of immigrants from Germany, England, etc, etc. That being said, our technological innovation is pretty much unmatched at this point in history. But listen, I will never question/doubt/criticize the intelligence, innovation, or inventive ability of the German people. So not really wanting to argue here. Just putting in my 2 cents of support for my country, the USA.
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The TSR2 was a sin what they did with such a promising great fighter!! Another example of poor government decisions and a possible legendary fighter scrapped for unclear reasons until later we found out it was straight up corruption!!!
A bit misleading video title when tje back end is filled with TSR2 yet again!
I always loved the tornado it just looks like a beast of an aircraft I had a picture of a fully loaded tornado on my wall when I was younger I know it was a collaboration but I would get my house on it that if Britain had the financial clout as what the Americans have at their disposal then we would be world beaters in design and product inventions
@@samuelgarrod8327Laser weaponry is a weak domain.
This bad boy kicked butt in 2 Gulf Wars ! And will someone please explain to me WHY we were EVER afraid of the USSR ?? Ukraine is kicking their ass ! Yes, the western powers are supplying them arms, but still - at the beginning, Feb of 2022, BEFORE they were getting that aid, they stopped the attempt to capture Keiv COLD. GO UKRAINE 🇺🇦 !
Fun Fact: German pilots nicknamed it 'The Widowmaker' because it was so dangerous to fly and crashed so often.
Fun fact: you mean the F104 Starfighter being called the widowmaker...
Not the Tornado mate, that was the Starfighter.
Doesn't sound fun, and I'm not sure how factual that is. What German pilots called Tornado a "widowmaker:?
9 lost in 3 days! Horror!
Send them to Ukraine 👍👍👍
MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE BOMB TRUCK TAKEN ON OUT MANY TIMES IN IRAQ.
Shame that they scrapped this aircraft like the British were so ashamed of the British aircraft Industry.
Um couple clips of Tornado a d a whole lot of whining a out Tsr. Otsure how they are related
European countries must stop buying planes from the USA and continue to develop European technology. Europe can alone meet aviation needs if it has the courage to do so. forget shopping in the USA. This holds Europe back.
wha
I feel like the TSR2 and the Avro Arrow both fell victim to bloated budgets and political blaming. Both could easy have challenged the American designs of the day. Had they become full production programs they may have been hugely successful as both indigenous aind export programs. Both were gorgeous planes.....sigh to political short sightedness.
LGB..........not LGBT....... totally different meaning ..... quite a different time and context
Strange how the TSR2 project failed, when the international Panavia project succeeded. Both projects were the result of aerospace consortiums. I was unaware that the U.S. was an influence in the cancelation of the TSR2. Seems that we killed it along with the Canadian Arrow in order to sell planes. This put America in a position of aerospace dominance throughout NATO. Was it a good thing? Our birds are the best, but that almost wasn't the case.
Britain survived the battle of Britain due to a firm commitment to air superiority. They had a talent for making the best aircraft in the world, and undoubtedly the best areo engines in the world. But as the sun set on the British Empire, England had to become more practical. Too practical. Here in America, I'm hard pressed to purchase anything that is made in England. How do Brits make money anyways? Their people are talented, but muzzled by an overly liberal government. At least they are still awesome at making engines, and British electronics are still formidable. I'm sure England still has much to offer in the realm of aerospace, but their independence is gone.
What evidence is there that the us had any role in the cancelation of either Arrow or TSR2?
You may be unaware but I saw how the Skybolt program was dropped at a meeting of the two heads of government and Britain was told to use Polaris.
The TSR2 could never have gone over target and returned. It was the first stage for the cruise missile with the Hbomb on the tip.
Tomahawk does a single trip.
Mean while in War Thunder, tornado dead on arrival. British must suffer... This thing is getting clapped hard by real fighters
The versions in War Thunder are not the fighter version.
The fighter version is the ADV version, not the IDS and also not the Marineflieger version.
(Although technically the ADV is more of an interceptor than a pure fighter, much like the Mig23ML, but atleast it is much more of a fighter than the current ingame versions are)
Meanwhile, after Desert Storm where the Tornado performed a very important role where it was asked to do LOW LEVEL strikes against Saddam’s airfields using ordinance only the Tornado was equipped to deliver, it was phased out of service to be replaced by the Eurofighter Typhoon.
The Tornado was top notch in its day but by the new century it was obsolete.
I mean you’re comparing a game to real life sorties, what did you expect?
@@Spooky_32 For the record I don't have the tornado, I play US, Russian, and France. I already knew the tornado in-game is the strike version and is cannon fodder. If Gajin had released this thing a few patched back it be ok.. but instead it got released with the F16 and Mig29 together.
@@Spooky_32 I only mention the tornado from War Thunder because I find it funny because it was released in December game patch and this video happened to come out which I find the timing funny.
@13:11 I mean, the F-15C literally fit the bill... literally. The exception is low level of which the F-4 was EXTREMELY good at, one of the fastest bastards on the deck, and its massive nose was equipped with terrain following radar during the development of Wild Weasel mission roles in Vietnam.
The Tornado was amazing but I wish these features were realistic and look into the serious political plays that happen here. The Union was forming in the lead up to this and the promise of propping up Panavia was a boon for jobs, jobs which garunteed votes.
If the British wanted air defense, the F-15Cs were perfectly fine. If they wanted ground interdiction, F-4s worked too (though the engine swap was stupid and yet AGAIN, this was political agenda because they wanted to justify having a British F-4 program via jobs and Rolls Royce was happy to put lobby money behind that...)
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14:00 27mm BK-27 😂
Those who stopped the TSR 2 project and their broad families should have been disowned and put in prison for the rest of their lives. And also the supporters of this crime too.
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This telling completely omits the role of the KGB in the cancellation of the superb aircraft. How the heavily infiltrated Labour party and TUC were central to the plot. The soviets were terrified of the nuclear threat it posed and needed it terminated. They also wanted the research. Labour spies gave them both .
1/2 Tornado 👍, 1/2 TSR 2 and lamenting the death of British aircraft production. 👎
I'm a Rhodesian. This one of the other things that Bloody Wilson f*cked up!!!
Another obvious savatising of a great British design ruined by the British government on a great fighter!!
Savatizing?
crap jet
I hate to say it but you Brits, and the European union can never match wat the United States puts in the air, on the sea or for that matter on the ground. You might get a close matchup under certain circumstances but you will never be able to do a door to door comparison it's take the logically impossible
That might have something to do with the fact the US spends more on defence than the next 10 largest spenders combined. We don't need to compete with the US, because their defence budget subsidises our defence 😂
What a pathetic aircraft compared to the Su-24M.