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Originally the F-22 was going to be named the Rapier as well. Then it was changed to the Raptor. I'm glad because the Rapier is one of the coolest looking planes ever.
look at the timeline. The Huge sadness of f-108 and c105 is that with both teams working together, (remember the interceptor was to defend both countries). would have given us a really great plane. The Arrow and Rapier actually were to use the same weapons system with the AIM-9 from Hughes.
@@sferrin2tsk tsk , defensive. Why is that ? Oh let me see , is it that canada shat all over the USA ? And the yanks poachec most of the design staff and sold that crappy bomarc system and leany on Canada's government? The arrows lines are apparent if you squint .
Yep. Sort of. The F-100 to XF-108 for sure. The XF-109 is murky. It's generally attributed to the Bell D-188 but, apparently, never officially assigned. Then the USAF called the F-4 Phantom the "F-110" for about 15 seconds. The F-111 was never really considered a Century Series and neither was the F-117.
I have always loved the XB-70 (traveled half the Earth to see in person) but the reality is that with an IR/Radar signature that big, and the fact that in a non L/O aircraft you can't turn at Mach 3.0 in any meaningful way, the SA-2 (a/la U-2) means that basic physics made it redundant.
You did a HUGE disservice to Edgar Schmued, who was the Chief Designer responsible for the P-51 and the F-86. Dutch Kindelberger was the President of North American during the development of those two aircraft. Atwood, who chiefly oversaw the B-25 and other programs during the war, became President of 1948 after Kindelberger had to step down because of health problems. Schmued was involved also in the beginnings of the F-100 program but left after a bitter dispute with Atwood over how to solve the early F-100's many many problems (this is all described in detail in the book "Mustang Designer", the biography of Edgar Schmued). The F-100 would continue to have a long teething period to fix all of its many problems after Shmued left. You also left out the F-107, and its weird air intake over the cockpit. Atwood was the one who led North American towards a postwar shift towards rocket propulsion and the space program. This unfortunately culminated in the fire that killed three astronauts in the Apollo 1 command module in 1967, which was a terribly flawed (from both a design and shoddy manufacturing standpoint) North American product. The public outcry and Congressional investigations into that disaster put such a black mark on North American that it looked unlikely to ever get a government contract again, and so this forced it into a merger with Rockwell. This merged company, North American Rockwell, soon dropped the once famous, now infamous North American name, and became just Rockwell. So, yeah, Atwood oversaw the disappearance of the once famous North American name.
So cool it appears to have the same supersonic ejection Pods, "capsuleles"? As B-58. Looks like a US rip off of the Canadian Avro Arrow. Don't know. First I ever heard of this developmental aircraft.
Ok, so, stick with me here. The XB-70 was cancelled because of the evolving Soviet SAM threat, right? Well, boy oh boy how they just LOOOOVE going on & on & on about how, “They fired 8 trillion missiles at the SR-71 and never shot it down because iT wAs So FaSt!” Okay, well, last time I (re-) checked the stats, booth of these birds has similar - if not identical - top speeds. So… like… why was it canceled again?
Not infinite money. An ICBM can deliver nukes at high altitude faster, and costs less to run. A B52 can deliver more of them at low altitude, and costs less. So why do you pour money into something you don't need?
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Theres a full 40 min they talk about the RCAF Avro Arrow in this.
...perfect timing. Thanx! 👍
You're welcome!
Originally the F-22 was going to be named the Rapier as well. Then it was changed to the Raptor. I'm glad because the Rapier is one of the coolest looking planes ever.
The sexiest plane never built.
Squint hard and the AVRO Arrow shines through
This was being developed at the same time and had NOTHING to do with the Arrow and it was LIGHT years more advanced in EVERY WAY!!!
look at the timeline. The Huge sadness of f-108 and c105 is that with both teams working together, (remember the interceptor was to defend both countries). would have given us a really great plane. The Arrow and Rapier actually were to use the same weapons system with the AIM-9 from Hughes.
@@richardweernink9050 The ICBM made the interceptor obsolete over night.
You'd have to squint so hard as to be hallucinating. The XF-108 would have blown the doors off the Arrow.
@@sferrin2tsk tsk , defensive. Why is that ? Oh let me see , is it that canada shat all over the USA ? And the yanks poachec most of the design staff and sold that crappy bomarc system and leany on Canada's government? The arrows lines are apparent if you squint .
Reminds me of Canada avro arrow
Except it was light years more advanced in EVERY way. Comparing the Arrow to it would be like comparing a biplane with a P-51 Mustang.
North America’s design evoqued a sense of speed…
Meanwhile the Phantom II looking like a pile of machinery doing supersonic effortlessly
Also very Valcourie.
A-5 Vigilante.
Century series = Model numbers from 100?
Yep. Sort of. The F-100 to XF-108 for sure. The XF-109 is murky. It's generally attributed to the Bell D-188 but, apparently, never officially assigned. Then the USAF called the F-4 Phantom the "F-110" for about 15 seconds. The F-111 was never really considered a Century Series and neither was the F-117.
I have always loved the XB-70 (traveled half the Earth to see in person) but the reality is that with an IR/Radar signature that big, and the fact that in a non L/O aircraft you can't turn at Mach 3.0 in any meaningful way, the SA-2 (a/la U-2) means that basic physics made it redundant.
Looks like the Canadian Arrow.
Good grief…here we go…greatest interceptor…revolutionary design…canceled by jealous American companies…
@@user-gj9cn7tn5r yep 👍 and what did Canada get in return ? Substandard equipment.
I would of thought the B-58 hustler with some modifications could of filled this role of long range bomber interceptor.
MacNamera under underqualified for his position as Sec. of Defence.
Looks eh lot like they stole eh lot from the Canadian avro arrow they forced Canada to get ride of
You did a HUGE disservice to Edgar Schmued, who was the Chief Designer responsible for the P-51 and the F-86. Dutch Kindelberger was the President of North American during the development of those two aircraft. Atwood, who chiefly oversaw the B-25 and other programs during the war, became President of 1948 after Kindelberger had to step down because of health problems.
Schmued was involved also in the beginnings of the F-100 program but left after a bitter dispute with Atwood over how to solve the early F-100's many many problems (this is all described in detail in the book "Mustang Designer", the biography of Edgar Schmued). The F-100 would continue to have a long teething period to fix all of its many problems after Shmued left.
You also left out the F-107, and its weird air intake over the cockpit.
Atwood was the one who led North American towards a postwar shift towards rocket propulsion and the space program. This unfortunately culminated in the fire that killed three astronauts in the Apollo 1 command module in 1967, which was a terribly flawed (from both a design and shoddy manufacturing standpoint) North American product. The public outcry and Congressional investigations into that disaster put such a black mark on North American that it looked unlikely to ever get a government contract again, and so this forced it into a merger with Rockwell. This merged company, North American Rockwell, soon dropped the once famous, now infamous North American name, and became just Rockwell.
So, yeah, Atwood oversaw the disappearance of the once famous North American name.
Looks like… The Firefox!
What you get when you cross a tomcat and an XB70
So cool it appears to have the same supersonic ejection
Pods, "capsuleles"? As B-58. Looks like a US rip off of the Canadian Avro Arrow. Don't know. First I ever heard of this developmental aircraft.
Ok, so, stick with me here. The XB-70 was cancelled because of the evolving Soviet SAM threat, right? Well, boy oh boy how they just LOOOOVE going on & on & on about how, “They fired 8 trillion missiles at the SR-71 and never shot it down because iT wAs So FaSt!” Okay, well, last time I (re-) checked the stats, booth of these birds has similar - if not identical - top speeds. So… like… why was it canceled again?
Not infinite money.
An ICBM can deliver nukes at high altitude faster, and costs less to run.
A B52 can deliver more of them at low altitude, and costs less.
So why do you pour money into something you don't need?
The SAGE system was not reliable. In the early years it was barely functional.
How about those socks?