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The first model I put together as a child with alot of help from my father . It actually had a bomb in the tail that was spring loaded and would eject it with a push of button . It amazing the things you remember from 60 years ago .
@@EmperorofMu Are you looking for any plastic model kit of the Vigilante or the vintage model kit the OP mentioned above? If its any plastic model kit, Trumpeter makes a Vigilante in 1/48 and 1/72 scale that are easy to find and are a nice kits (built two myself). Then there's the old Airfix and Hasegawa/Revell 1/72 Vigilante models that are easily found on eBay. Old kits but still o.k.
I was a U.S. Navy Aviation Electronics Technician (AT) member of RVAH-6 attached to the USS Forrestall, CVA 59, on the 74-75 Med Cruise. By this time the RA-5C Vigilante had been converted to electronic warfare and reconnaissance. This was a beautiful, sleek, high powered bird. Flight operations were always the highlight of any day. I trained at NAS Memphis in Millington, Tenn, and later on at NAS Key West, FL, before shipping to the fleet. Those were some heady days for me. Thank you for this video!
My dad was on that same Med Cruise. Five years later he would find himself on the USS Nimitz the same night they provided the helicopters supporting my unit in Iran, April 1980. RLTW~Operation Eagle Claw.
When I was in the marines I was at the millington tenn. navy training command in 1982 and they had an A5 on permanent display in front of the mess hall. I couldnt believe such a gorgeous modern looking plane was already retired and mounted on a pole.
I was in the Marines at Millington in the spring of '83... 'A' school... I was a 6142 (CH-46 metal-smith), and I still remember the C.O. of the Marines at that training base, Col. Clapp. ... It was a very exciting part of my life... Looking back, I feel that I should have stayed in for 20, but heard about the DOD cuts (Graham Rudman act) so I got out after my first EAS, Dec. Of '86... Great times..
I remember that plane. In another video I had a conversation with someone else who was there. We both looked for the airplane on google maps and couldn't find it, and after some research I think the guy told me it was donated to a museum to be restored or something. The chow hall building is still there, I think, but it's now a private business or something.
Went through "A" school at Millington in 1963. Of course, the Viggie wasn't there at that time because it was still in the fleet active inventory. But one did trap aboard our ship in '64 when we were doing at-sea workups prior to a Nam combat cruise in '65. That was one big bird! I marveled at its size and beauty, then watched it being launched. Great memories.
The "Viggie on a Stick" was still there when I was a student in 1990 and again as an instructor in1996. I heard that after NAATC moved to Pensacola is when it was removed.
I remember that plane, I was there in 83 for Avionics "A" school. I remember saying to myself the same thing "That is one beautiful aircraft" and have loved the A-5 ever since.
What an absolute beauty of a machine. Looks 20 years ahead of its time. That training film at the end is some great stuff, too, pretty footage of it in flight.
Convair B-36 was the first true intercontinental bomber, Boeing made B-47, B-52. The North American AJ-1 Savage was mixed power plant because of poor fuel efficiency of early jet engines, not lack of reliability, you couldn’t get enough fuel into a carrier-compatible aircraft. Looking back, you get the feeling the real conflict was between U.S.A.F. And U.S.Navy for who would deliver nuclear weapons, the Russian were just justification. The RA-5C was a great looking craft, and the reconnaissance fit was state of the art. The nose gear always looked kind of flimsy for such a heavy beast, like the F3H gear. Apparently the RAN in the back seat was more tense during carrier landings than in combat. The proposed interceptor Retaliatory with a third J-79 until you try and work out where you put the radar (compare the volume of the RA-5C nose with the F-14 nose). The linear bomb bay was an imaginative and low drag solution, but never really worked. (There’s a photo of the fuel cans falling out the back of an RA-5C during a catapult launch.)
Always worth watching the PLAT when an A-5 came aboard at night. You'd see some lights out in the groove then suddenly this huge thing would flash into view at the ramp. Amazing that something that size and approach speed could operate off a flight deck. Imagine being the back seat guy (RAN, I think they were called) Just a 6" porthole on each side back there, not a full clear canopy. I was on a school tour with the PCO of an A-5 detachment and he almost talked me into transitioning from F-4's to A-5's. We'd escort them on their run over the North. Both airplanes had the same J-79 engines but we had missile racks and an external tank whereas the A-5 was clean. When they amped up for their photo run, we'd have to play the inside of the turns or they'd walk away from us. Something about their intake configuration gave them a distinctive howl in the landing pattern. Beautiful and huge, they were.
I've heard that it wasn't uncommon for Phantom pilots to stroke the afterburners when escorting the Vigi on their post strike BDA missions due to the Vigi's fast speed down low.
Fascinating. I'm almost 60 and grew up in aviation and USAF service and I barely remember the A-5, I didn't know any of this. Great video! Also ironic that the inter-service rivalry determined the Navy didn't have a strategic role, when our most effective nuclear deterrent are SSBNs (nuclear attack submarines). 🙅♀
@@WALTERBROADDUS Well that would have been *really* expensive, not that us taxpayers aren't bleeding through the nose now. But the BUFF keeps flying, so I'd say that was a value proposition that succeeded. The B-1 and B-2 (and now the B-21)? Not so much. I hope we never find out.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Oh wow! I had no knowledge of that either! Air Force guy 🙂. Thanks! Though my son-in-law did serve on a carrier (not gonna say which here in public) but got out a few years ago, and I did work with the Navy off and on as C-130 aircrew (enlisted).
When I was in the Marines, I was TAD to VMFA-451 on the USS Forrestal. During that time, I had the great fortune to see a few RA-5C (which is the only use for the A5 after about 1965) doing cat shots and landings. It is a beautiful aircraft and seeing one on the meatball and catching a wire was quite amazing. The cat shots were likewise quite spectacular. It is a large plane compared to the Double Ugly (which is what VMFA-451 flew) and bringing up the elevator, it pretty much had to stick out way over the edge, and when it came on deck, a lot of stuff had to be re-positioned, but it was magnificent to see it launch!
The A-5 sure does look the buisness ! Not only ground breaking for its day, but a successful design and flown in anger. Massive respect to all involved. Ex-IAF Kurnass maintainer.
Leroy Heath was my college Algebra professor at Embry-Riddle in the early '80's and I saw the filmstrip made of the flight with his backseater Larry Monroe.
The Vigilante was static on the deck of the midway museum when i travelled from Australia back in 2012. I was in awe of it. A beautiful jet whilst looking nothing but imposing at the same time.
I was an aviation electrician on F4j Phantoms for VF-102. Our birds had J79 engines and would go Mach 2.23. The Vigi's also had the same j-79's, thus their speed! We had a squadron of the Vigi's on our 1970 Med cruise. I loved their beauty when on the flight deck with them, but didn't fear their size. Flight deck safety is to NOT be in the wrong place, and if not needed to be there during aircraft recovery, then disappear!!
I was on CVA-62 in the 70s. We had a Bombing Demo and Flight Deck BBQ... we also watched an A-5 do a Mech 2+ Fly-By... Youd think it was impossible for something to move that fast. The Capt. called out Miles at a time like seconds... he's now 50 miles out, he's now 35 miles out, he's now 20 miles out... then we could see a Dot and my sight was fixed on the canopy spotting the Pilots Helmet... he went by and then pulled up and was clean out of sight at probably 30,000+ feet before we Hurd the explosion of sound. The thing was to try and keep your hands at your sides... we all failed !!!
See my comment above. I worked frame numbers 62 to 68 back in 1962.. I think it was frm#66, All painted ready for delivery after its final test flt. Uh Oh, came back with paint burned on the fuselage from air friction. The Navy was furious because it delayed delivery for the repaint. NAA was furious because of the delay AND the cost to repaint. We never heard any Mach nbrs but he had to be boogying to scorch the paint.
The Vigilante was long gone when i was aboard the Eisenhower, but the Tomcat ruled. They mounted a "canoe" like pod on the F-14 for recon work,TARPS pods returned great pictures. I believe the Viggie deployed on only one of the Nimitz carriers, Nimitz. CVN-68.
I remember first seeing this in an old 1960's Colliers Encyclopedia in full colour! This was before I knew about the new teen series of US aircraft back in the 70's, and I really liked the Vigilante with its futuristic sleek good looks.
Yay...there are my beloved A-3 Skywarriors..!! I was enlisted Navy and in an aviation squadron , 71-75, and we had four A-3's, along with other jets. They were designated as ERA-3B for being a reconnaissance and an electronic warfare counter-measures configuration. I was trained as an aviation electrician, but once I got to the squadron, I knew that I wanted to spend as much time as I could with the Skywarriors, so I became a Plane Captain for our ERA-3B's. I loved it. Each Skywarrior had its own 'personality' and its own little quirks that you had to learn about. They were definitely a 'hands on' jet.
We lost several Viggies aboard Saratoga in 72, Unlike the A6's and 7's not many came back with battle damage. The Viggie was the star of the show on a dependents day cruise. Simulated a Phantom got on the tail of a Viggie and "shot it down". The Viggie nosed up, dumped fuel and lit the AB's........ huge fireball trailed behind it. Pretty cool to watch. Stuff you won't see ashore. She had no rudder but the entire horizontal stabilizer moved! It also folded over 90 degrees for hangar bay storage! This was over 50 years ago but I still vividly remember it.
Could you please do a remake where you continuously compare speed to bullets, length to football fields, altitudes to Mount Everest and use the word amazing 87 times?
It has to be absolutely reliable over open ocean. The navy is/was conservative. An old jet also doesn't respond to go-around power it takes as much as 13 seconds to spool up, when missing a cable you don't have 1/4 of a minute to wait for thrust.
There is a case to be made for real time tactical recon. As an Ex-Phantom maintainer, I still have a soft spot for the RF-4. But it IS a battle prooven Mach-2+ platform. If some company in the Defence Sector were to come up with a modernized digitalized real time camera package that would fit in the nose of an RF-4, that might be operationaly viable. Some RF-4s can fly high, and much faster than 5th gen at Mach-2+ (on par with a clean F-15).
Beautiful looking aircraft. Revell did a model? Thanks for the history its lack of long term service now make sense. Big aircraft though, it does look like the predecessor to the FB-111 but without the swing wing. Think of all those aircraft manufacturers that no longer exist.
Airfix made a 1/72nd scale version of this in the 70s. I had one and it was such a beautiful looking plane, I spent more time painting it accurately than I did on assembly.
I swear the Air Force has an uncanny ability to kill systems that threaten their usefulness. Both the Vigilante and the Cheyenne would've greatly benefited our military.
Air Force (Dad) & Army (Mom) brat here. Grandfather was a B-25 Mitchell Bombardier/Navigator & pilot during WWII in the Army Air Corps & later U.S. Air Force. Interservice rivalry flowed both ways. I agree with you about the pettiness however you can’t view it in a vacuum, the Navy in WW1 and prior absorbed the vast bulk of the U.S. defense budget. You need only read about the troubles Billy Mitchell had with getting the Brass both in the Army & Navy to listen to how airpower changed warfare post-WW1 (he was later proved right & he accurately predicted the Japanese would attack us at Pear Harbor years in advance) but neither the Navy nor the Army wanted to hear it, the Navy because they believed their warships were impervious to air attack with AA batteries and thought no aircraft borne bombs were big enough to sink them & the Army because they viewed the Air Corps as little more than scouts & artillery spotters as tanks & artillery were their priority. That was part of the reason the Air Force was created post-WW2 . When nuke fever dominated all three branches post-WW2 they all squabbled about who should have the nuclear role for budgetary reasons, Army was developing ballistic missiles through Redstone Arsenal, Air Force inherited its nuclear bomber role from WW2 & Navy wanted in on it as a mechanism to maintain their budget in the post-WW2 draw down. SSBMs were still a ways off, so a lot of interesting carrier borne bomber ideas were floated. How practical they were I think is up for debate but I do think the A-5 could have been good if given the time to iron-out its kinks like the train delivery system. The Cheyenne, a revolutionary compound helicopter, was a casualty of several factors: lobbying by Bell Helicopter, a bad live fire demonstration & a bad accident involving a half-P hop that killed the test pilot. The next factor was Lockheed’s poor finances following the Total Package Procurement debacle of the C-5 Galaxy that almost bankrupted Lockheed. Further down the list was the ridiculous squabbling about the Combat Air Patrol role that was at the center of the Key West Agreement. I think the Sikorsky SB-1 Defiant & other recent compounds-rotors show the Cheyenne was ahead of its time but the purchase price was too high especially after the twin-engine requirements of the competition were changed to single-engine thanks to lobbying by Bell making the AH-1 Cobra a more “economical” option. Unfortunate as it was the development of the Cheyenne avionics did not go to waste as much of that would find its way into the AH-64 Apache but I do think we’d be further along in compound rigid rotor helicopter development if they had allowed Lockheed to continue to develop the Cheyenne if only as a test project. The results of the cancellation were so bad though the Lockheed exited the rotor-space altogether, I don’t blame them their finances were in dire straights, what saved the company was the F-117 Nighthawk. Still we are just now coming back to rigid rotors after decades from when Lockheed developed them. The A-5 was a beautiful aircraft no doubt & record setting in zoom climbs. I think the SSBMs were the right approach though much as I think ICBMs were also the right approach even if they did damage tactical bomber development as they did for a time in both the U.S. & Britain. The real issue is doctrinaire attitudes that believed we would never again fight a conventional war that pervaded all three branches during the 50s despite how recent the Korean War was.
4:30 Columbus Oh was where I worked on the (then A3J) Vig, Air frames 62 to 68; before moving to Minuteman I's and II's to work on the same computer guidance package as the A5C. Tho it served different roles in ICBM's than the A5C the D17B was the same computer package.
Not quite. Although they first flew only months apart, this aircraft was the first combat jet designed and flown with FBW: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
We had two RA5Cs aboard the carrier USS America (CVA-66) in the Gulf of Tonkin 1972-73. After a cat launch, the jet jockeys would sometimes set the Vigilante on its tail and quickly go out of sight vertically. An amazing aircraft.
that's fantastic. I ran across some old A5 manual's, NATOPS and such for this airplane. It's very cool. I'd be happy to get you a copy of the documentation I have if you're interested.
Served as the blueprint for the mig25. Most think the f15 was a copy of the foxbat but they are incorrect. The na237 from the ws300 competition, that included a concept that looked strangely like a modern day sukhoi had already studied, designed, and conceptualized. Opting for just a single vertical tail instead of the original two its concept had, the a5 was born.
An excellent documentary... I did not realize that NAA built these for the NAVY recon missions until.viewing this documentary... It is sad how many were knocked out from ground fire during the after attack recon missions... I'm now wondering if the 'Wild Weasels' reduced some of those ground attack placements into hunks of molten metal...
Of course the real concern for the Air Force was how much of the budget allocation would be shaved off to support the strategic role the navy would assume. They couldn’t care less if the Navy had nukes. Nukes were originally considered strategic weapons but ultimately many tactical aircraft could carry nukes. Today there’s a great deal more likelihood the first use of nukes would be from tactical aircraft. What we called a selrel or selective release. I imagine many navy planes can carry tactical nukes as well.
My favorite model airplane as a kid was the AJ5 Vigilante that I built with my Dad. Wonderful video with great historical footage. One quibble: narrator seems to have trouble with pronunciation of some of the script: for example, it's not interial navigation -- rather inertial navigation.
There were problems with the twin tails is why they went to one. Somehow (dont know) the air between the two sucked them in and "bound up the pivots". They wouldnt rotate easily enuf for rudder control. Somehow (??) they solved the problem in later platforms because the Hornet had twins. Go figure. I loved working on it with a GREAT crew but I needed to move into computers (see my comment about Minuteman ICBM I and II computer guidance).
@@O-cDxAYes. North American proposed twin tails hoping to create opportunities for a fighter variant. The Navy wouldn't have it. They wanted to minimize weight and drag for the attack aircraft.
The Navy never lost aerial reconnaissance capabilities after the A-5 retirement. The F-14 used the TARP system and the F-18 uses the ATARS/SHARP systems.
1:07 I feel like clearly the Japanese had already pretty convincingly proven that a carrier was an effective platform for long-range bombing :P Also: The Dolittle raid really didn't accomplish anything tangible in terms of benefit to the war effort. Saying "psychological impact" is a neat trick to say for when there is no visible or measurable impact at all, since you can't see or measure that. The actual reason for the raid was PR. America wanted to be seen as hitting back and to an even larger extent Roosevelt wanted to make Americans feel like his administration were hitting back. It could be years before America was really ready to start bringing the war to Japan and if FDR hadn't really done anything in response to the attack or hit back in any way that could presumably seriously hurt his chances in his upcoming re-election campaign.
Not really, Jap carrier bombing was not long range.. They was launched from around 275 miles from Oahu for the Pearl Harbor attack with fighter type airplanes. the Doolittle raid, was launched from 700 miles out. Almost twice the distance (originally planned to launch from 500 miles but fear of discovery by fishing boat..) and well beyond the range of any land based recce or anti ship patrols That it was mostly a PR gig.. sure thing..But it also made the Japs think about the need for home land defence..Which was really a mind twister to them , Japan never having been attacked by external powers before , ever..
@AntonQvarfordt....Yes, the raid was a psychological boost to the American people's moral after Pearl Harbor. But I disagree with your statement that the Doolittle Raid was just a "neat trick". It was a tremendous psychological blow to the Japanese government and the military. They thought that Japan's distance from America made it almost impossible to be attacked, at least for a long time. They were so wrong. They were also so wrong with their assessment of how the U.S. would react after Pear Harbor was bombed, They thought that the American people were weak and lazy and would have no stomach for war and would demand to sue for peace and leave Japan alone. So wrong..!! And then, only four months after Pearl....only four....our bombers bombed Tokyo and other Japanese cities. Absolutely, it dealt Japan a huge psychological blow. And then, just two months after that, in June 1942, a short six months after Pearl, the U.S. Navy dealt the Japanese navy a disastrous and crippling blow at the Battle of Midway that Japan never recovered from. Japan paid a costly price for completely misjudging America. Japan did, indeed, awaken the "sleeping giant'.
I was in a squadron that had the same call sign as the Viggies, “ CHECKERTAILS, We we’re the VC5 SQD. YOU CAN SEETHE TAIL OF A CHECKERTAIL VIGGIE SQD BURNING IN THE ORISKANY FIRE
We had a squadron of the Checkertails on the Independence on our 1970 Med cruise. Seems to me that the A5's, like the A4 Skyhawks, are sometimes unstable when landing on the carrier. We had one, just one day before our first Med cruise port, have a tail hook just snap off, causing the jet to roll over the end of the flight deck. Both guys, LCDR 's, unfortunately were not recovered...
I'm currently working at an airfield with an F-11 Tiger (still with Blue Angels paint job) and an A-5 Vigilante parked about 100 meters away from the ATC tower.
RVAH-__ We called the Vigalante squadrons the Heavy's: Heavey 7, Heavy 9 on the USS Forestall, in the early 70's.Great history of which I'm proud to apart of (AMH).
Am I the only one to notice that in the footage at Kirtland @about 17:00 the bomb doesnt come out the back but looks like a B43 dropped from a fuselage bomb bay OR the port wing? It definitely doesnt come out the back.
@@MagMan4x4 my error in typing, I did mean to type A5. I worked flight deck on 4 U.S. CVs, 59,60,66, and 67. We flew EA-6a and A-6e. A-5 took up as much deck space as an EA-3. Looked like MACH 2 sitting on the deck.
Well- after/before all those broken arrows an ejection system like that for ejecting a nuke does seem a bit safer. Is that so or was that as safe/unsafe for delivering a bomb? I have no knowledge on that subject, obviously.
How history repeats its self? For example, right now every jet the US NAVY has can not travel MACH 2.0. Therefore, the Navy is at a big disadvantage to countries like China were most of their Stealth fighter can achieve Mach 2.0+ at supercruise. I don't know the details on how the NAVY got into this position of weakness... It is just cycle and is needed. However, it appears to be US Army and US Air Force Officer supporting NAVY Officer without advance STEM degree as well as "greasing the palm" in contracts. Now we need to get stealth jet back up to Mach 2.0 +. PS Before the F14 was able to do MACH 2.34 and had no problem doing intercepts.... The Navy has problems doing hypersonic intercepts as well as ballistic, drone and etc...
The Navy aircraft carry Mach-4 missiles that don't miss. And if they do miss, they have this enat trick where they make a 40G 180 degree turn and come back and smash the target it missed...
@@Triple_J.1 I pretty sure you pass out at 40G... However, if the US NAVY has to rely on US Air Force Mach 2.0 active duty jets it only means budget cuts for the NAVY.... Come ON Common Sense...
I always wondered what plane the A-5 was when I built a model scale of the lexington, this was one of the planes included together with the skyhawk and a texan trainer(i think).. now I know what that plane was, my mind can be at ease now.. 😁
@@dougtripp4161 Officially, yes. But it still flew as a test bed aircraft. I saw it!! They used it to test new reconnaissance cameras and sensors. I was there!!
Good video, but that the narrator doesn't know how to say "inertial navigation system" takes me out of it. Edit: also "fuel deposits" instead of "fuel depots"
My dad, who is the carrier 🎉 for over 40 years. But not an attack jockey. Told me reason that the vigi-bird had a second seat was so the guy in front seat could TRY and get it in the deck, and the guy in back seat could PRAY THEY WALKED AWAY FROM IT!
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The first model I put together as a child with alot of help from my father . It actually had a bomb in the tail that was spring loaded and would eject it with a push of button . It amazing the things you remember from 60 years ago .
I've been looking for a plastic model kit of this present day and can't find one. Just wooden ones for 100$.
@@EmperorofMu Google it.
They're available .
@@EmperorofMu Are you looking for any plastic model kit of the Vigilante or the vintage model kit the OP mentioned above? If its any plastic model kit, Trumpeter makes a Vigilante in 1/48 and 1/72 scale that are easy to find and are a nice kits (built two myself). Then there's the old Airfix and Hasegawa/Revell 1/72 Vigilante models that are easily found on eBay. Old kits but still o.k.
I think the best part is that you have such a strong memory of dear old dad.
Do you remember the kits that came with battle damaged parts during the Vietnam era ?
I was a U.S. Navy Aviation Electronics Technician (AT) member of RVAH-6 attached to the USS Forrestall, CVA 59, on the 74-75 Med Cruise. By this time the RA-5C Vigilante had been converted to electronic warfare and reconnaissance. This was a beautiful, sleek, high powered bird. Flight operations were always the highlight of any day. I trained at NAS Memphis in Millington, Tenn, and later on at NAS Key West, FL, before shipping to the fleet. Those were some heady days for me. Thank you for this video!
I remember it well. (retired CPO)
MY TIME ON THE FORREST FIRE , F-14S S-3 VIKINGS, E6B PROWLERS, A-6 INTRUDERS, NIGHT OPPS WERE KOOL.I WORKED AT NIGHT G4 WEAPONS RED .
I was at nipstrafac in Key West for their decommission. What a great recon platform....
My dad was on that same Med Cruise. Five years later he would find himself on the USS Nimitz the same night they provided the helicopters supporting my unit in Iran, April 1980.
RLTW~Operation Eagle Claw.
@@stricklandsports Wow. If I had re-upped I would of been right there with him. Glad you made it back home.
When I was in the marines I was at the millington tenn. navy training command in 1982 and they had an A5 on permanent display in front of the mess hall. I couldnt believe such a gorgeous modern looking plane was already retired and mounted on a pole.
I was in the Marines at Millington in the spring of '83... 'A' school... I was a 6142 (CH-46 metal-smith), and I still remember the C.O. of the Marines at that training base, Col. Clapp. ... It was a very exciting part of my life... Looking back, I feel that I should have stayed in for 20, but heard about the DOD cuts (Graham Rudman act) so I got out after my first EAS, Dec. Of '86... Great times..
I remember that plane. In another video I had a conversation with someone else who was there. We both looked for the airplane on google maps and couldn't find it, and after some research I think the guy told me it was donated to a museum to be restored or something. The chow hall building is still there, I think, but it's now a private business or something.
Went through "A" school at Millington in 1963. Of course, the Viggie wasn't there at that time because it was still in the fleet active inventory. But one did trap aboard our ship in '64 when we were doing at-sea workups prior to a Nam combat cruise in '65. That was one big bird! I marveled at its size and beauty, then watched it being launched. Great memories.
The "Viggie on a Stick" was still there when I was a student in 1990 and again as an instructor in1996. I heard that after NAATC moved to Pensacola is when it was removed.
I remember that plane, I was there in 83 for Avionics "A" school. I remember saying to myself the same thing "That is one beautiful aircraft" and have loved the A-5 ever since.
The most beautiful navy jet ever
What an absolute beauty of a machine. Looks 20 years ahead of its time. That training film at the end is some great stuff, too, pretty footage of it in flight.
The amount of research is terrific. The training films remain a favorite for me. Well organized video.
Convair B-36 was the first true intercontinental bomber, Boeing made B-47, B-52. The North American AJ-1 Savage was mixed power plant because of poor fuel efficiency of early jet engines, not lack of reliability, you couldn’t get enough fuel into a carrier-compatible aircraft. Looking back, you get the feeling the real conflict was between U.S.A.F. And U.S.Navy for who would deliver nuclear weapons, the Russian were just justification.
The RA-5C was a great looking craft, and the reconnaissance fit was state of the art. The nose gear always looked kind of flimsy for such a heavy beast, like the F3H gear. Apparently the RAN in the back seat was more tense during carrier landings than in combat. The proposed interceptor Retaliatory with a third J-79 until you try and work out where you put the radar (compare the volume of the RA-5C nose with the F-14 nose). The linear bomb bay was an imaginative and low drag solution, but never really worked. (There’s a photo of the fuel cans falling out the back of an RA-5C during a catapult launch.)
Always worth watching the PLAT when an A-5 came aboard at night. You'd see some lights out in the groove then suddenly this huge thing would flash into view at the ramp. Amazing that something that size and approach speed could operate off a flight deck. Imagine being the back seat guy (RAN, I think they were called) Just a 6" porthole on each side back there, not a full clear canopy. I was on a school tour with the PCO of an A-5 detachment and he almost talked me into transitioning from F-4's to A-5's.
We'd escort them on their run over the North. Both airplanes had the same J-79 engines but we had missile racks and an external tank whereas the A-5 was clean. When they amped up for their photo run, we'd have to play the inside of the turns or they'd walk away from us. Something about their intake configuration gave them a distinctive howl in the landing pattern. Beautiful and huge, they were.
I've heard that it wasn't uncommon for Phantom pilots to stroke the afterburners when escorting the Vigi on their post strike BDA missions due to the Vigi's fast speed down low.
Fascinating. I'm almost 60 and grew up in aviation and USAF service and I barely remember the A-5, I didn't know any of this. Great video! Also ironic that the inter-service rivalry determined the Navy didn't have a strategic role, when our most effective nuclear deterrent are SSBNs (nuclear attack submarines). 🙅♀
@@WALTERBROADDUS Well that would have been *really* expensive, not that us taxpayers aren't bleeding through the nose now. But the BUFF keeps flying, so I'd say that was a value proposition that succeeded. The B-1 and B-2 (and now the B-21)? Not so much. I hope we never find out.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Oh wow! I had no knowledge of that either! Air Force guy 🙂. Thanks! Though my son-in-law did serve on a carrier (not gonna say which here in public) but got out a few years ago, and I did work with the Navy off and on as C-130 aircrew (enlisted).
My Grandma and Grandpa worked on the Vigilante project in Columbus in the 1950's. Beautiful airplane!
Men were men, women were women, merit was the determining factor, and none of the Americans hated their own country, like they do now.
When I was in the Marines, I was TAD to VMFA-451 on the USS Forrestal. During that time, I had the great fortune to see a few RA-5C (which is the only use for the A5 after about 1965) doing cat shots and landings. It is a beautiful aircraft and seeing one on the meatball and catching a wire was quite amazing. The cat shots were likewise quite spectacular. It is a large plane compared to the Double Ugly (which is what VMFA-451 flew) and bringing up the elevator, it pretty much had to stick out way over the edge, and when it came on deck, a lot of stuff had to be re-positioned, but it was magnificent to see it launch!
The A-5 sure does look the buisness !
Not only ground breaking for its day, but a successful design and flown in anger.
Massive respect to all involved.
Ex-IAF Kurnass maintainer.
My father in law was a radar tech for the Vigilante, during Vietnam. Man he loved that plane.
Leroy Heath was my college Algebra professor at Embry-Riddle in the early '80's and I saw the filmstrip made of the flight with his backseater Larry Monroe.
The Vigilante was static on the deck of the midway museum when i travelled from Australia back in 2012. I was in awe of it. A beautiful jet whilst looking nothing but imposing at the same time.
That's the beauty of design, "Form Follows Function " , if it looks good it flies good.
Hats off to the engineers and maintainers.
You tell ‘em. The atomic bombs saved 100,000’s of American and Japanese lives.
The over the shoulder bomb drop sounds like fun.
I recall one of these on display outside of the chow hall at NAS Millington, TN.... impressive bird
Interesting upload 👍
I was an aviation electrician on F4j Phantoms for VF-102. Our birds had J79 engines and would go Mach 2.23. The Vigi's also had the same j-79's, thus their speed! We had a squadron of the Vigi's on our 1970 Med cruise. I loved their beauty when on the flight deck with them, but didn't fear their size. Flight deck safety is to NOT be in the wrong place, and if not needed to be there during aircraft recovery, then disappear!!
I was on CVA-62 in the 70s. We had a Bombing Demo and Flight Deck BBQ... we also watched an A-5 do a Mech 2+ Fly-By... Youd think it was impossible for something to move that fast. The Capt. called out Miles at a time like seconds... he's now 50 miles out, he's now 35 miles out, he's now 20 miles out... then we could see a Dot and my sight was fixed on the canopy spotting the Pilots Helmet... he went by and then pulled up and was clean out of sight at probably 30,000+ feet before we Hurd the explosion of sound. The thing was to try and keep your hands at your sides... we all failed !!!
An A-3 doing mach 2? You meant the A-5 right, because the Whale (A-3) wasn't a supersonic aircraft, hehe.
@@Nghilifa lol Yup, my bad.
See my comment above. I worked frame numbers 62 to 68 back in 1962.. I think it was frm#66, All painted ready for delivery after its final test flt. Uh Oh, came back with paint burned on the fuselage from air friction. The Navy was furious because it delayed delivery for the repaint. NAA was furious because of the delay AND the cost to repaint.
We never heard any Mach nbrs but he had to be boogying to scorch the paint.
The A 5 Vigilante was the most beautiful of all Navy aircraft
The Vigilante was long gone when i was aboard the Eisenhower, but the Tomcat ruled. They mounted a "canoe" like pod on the F-14 for recon work,TARPS pods returned great pictures. I believe the Viggie deployed on only one of the Nimitz carriers, Nimitz. CVN-68.
I remember first seeing this in an old 1960's Colliers Encyclopedia in full colour! This was before I knew about the new teen series of US aircraft back in the 70's, and I really liked the Vigilante with its futuristic sleek good looks.
Put twin vertical stabilizers on it, it would closely resemble the f15
Yay...there are my beloved A-3 Skywarriors..!! I was enlisted Navy and in an aviation squadron , 71-75, and we had four A-3's, along with other jets. They were designated as ERA-3B for being a reconnaissance and an electronic warfare counter-measures configuration.
I was trained as an aviation electrician, but once I got to the squadron, I knew that I wanted to spend as much time as I could with the Skywarriors, so I became a Plane Captain for our ERA-3B's. I loved it. Each Skywarrior had its own 'personality' and its own little quirks that you had to learn about. They were definitely a 'hands on' jet.
We lost several Viggies aboard Saratoga in 72, Unlike the A6's and 7's not many came back with battle damage.
The Viggie was the star of the show on a dependents day cruise. Simulated a Phantom got on the tail of a Viggie and "shot it down". The Viggie nosed up, dumped fuel and lit the AB's........ huge fireball trailed behind it. Pretty cool to watch. Stuff you won't see ashore.
She had no rudder but the entire horizontal stabilizer moved! It also folded over 90 degrees for hangar bay storage!
This was over 50 years ago but I still vividly remember it.
VIGGY, BEAUTIFUL
Great to find this definitive A5 content online. Well done.
Could you please do a remake where you continuously compare speed to bullets, length to football fields, altitudes to Mount Everest and use the word amazing 87 times?
Distrust of jet aircraft lol. That aged well.
It has to be absolutely reliable over open ocean. The navy is/was conservative. An old jet also doesn't respond to go-around power it takes as much as 13 seconds to spool up, when missing a cable you don't have 1/4 of a minute to wait for thrust.
There is a case to be made for real time tactical recon.
As an Ex-Phantom maintainer, I still have a soft spot for the RF-4. But it IS a battle prooven Mach-2+ platform.
If some company in the Defence Sector were to come up with a modernized digitalized real time camera package that would fit in the nose of an RF-4, that might be operationaly viable.
Some RF-4s can fly high, and much faster than 5th gen at Mach-2+ (on par with a clean F-15).
80% power on Final....! Now I know why only the best are selected for Jets....! Cheers...!
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Beautiful plane.
@29:45 That is Parker Dam, Lake Havasu AZ/CA Border during a flood gate release!
21:30: INS inertial navigation system "Inertial" is pronounced in-ERSH-ul". The root word is inertia, not interior.
I liked the content to much to nitpick.... but yeh lol inertial.
Beautiful looking aircraft. Revell did a model? Thanks for the history its lack of long term service now make sense. Big aircraft though, it does look like the predecessor to the FB-111 but without the swing wing. Think of all those aircraft manufacturers that no longer exist.
Airfix made a 1/72nd scale version of this in the 70s. I had one and it was such a beautiful looking plane, I spent more time painting it accurately than I did on assembly.
I swear the Air Force has an uncanny ability to kill systems that threaten their usefulness. Both the Vigilante and the Cheyenne would've greatly benefited our military.
Air Force (Dad) & Army (Mom) brat here. Grandfather was a B-25 Mitchell Bombardier/Navigator & pilot during WWII in the Army Air Corps & later U.S. Air Force. Interservice rivalry flowed both ways. I agree with you about the pettiness however you can’t view it in a vacuum, the Navy in WW1 and prior absorbed the vast bulk of the U.S. defense budget. You need only read about the troubles Billy Mitchell had with getting the Brass both in the Army & Navy to listen to how airpower changed warfare post-WW1 (he was later proved right & he accurately predicted the Japanese would attack us at Pear Harbor years in advance) but neither the Navy nor the Army wanted to hear it, the Navy because they believed their warships were impervious to air attack with AA batteries and thought no aircraft borne bombs were big enough to sink them & the Army because they viewed the Air Corps as little more than scouts & artillery spotters as tanks & artillery were their priority. That was part of the reason the Air Force was created post-WW2 . When nuke fever dominated all three branches post-WW2 they all squabbled about who should have the nuclear role for budgetary reasons, Army was developing ballistic missiles through Redstone Arsenal, Air Force inherited its nuclear bomber role from WW2 & Navy wanted in on it as a mechanism to maintain their budget in the post-WW2 draw down. SSBMs were still a ways off, so a lot of interesting carrier borne bomber ideas were floated. How practical they were I think is up for debate but I do think the A-5 could have been good if given the time to iron-out its kinks like the train delivery system. The Cheyenne, a revolutionary compound helicopter, was a casualty of several factors: lobbying by Bell Helicopter, a bad live fire demonstration & a bad accident involving a half-P hop that killed the test pilot. The next factor was Lockheed’s poor finances following the Total Package Procurement debacle of the C-5 Galaxy that almost bankrupted Lockheed. Further down the list was the ridiculous squabbling about the Combat Air Patrol role that was at the center of the Key West Agreement. I think the Sikorsky SB-1 Defiant & other recent compounds-rotors show the Cheyenne was ahead of its time but the purchase price was too high especially after the twin-engine requirements of the competition were changed to single-engine thanks to lobbying by Bell making the AH-1 Cobra a more “economical” option. Unfortunate as it was the development of the Cheyenne avionics did not go to waste as much of that would find its way into the AH-64 Apache but I do think we’d be further along in compound rigid rotor helicopter development if they had allowed Lockheed to continue to develop the Cheyenne if only as a test project. The results of the cancellation were so bad though the Lockheed exited the rotor-space altogether, I don’t blame them their finances were in dire straights, what saved the company was the F-117 Nighthawk. Still we are just now coming back to rigid rotors after decades from when Lockheed developed them. The A-5 was a beautiful aircraft no doubt & record setting in zoom climbs. I think the SSBMs were the right approach though much as I think ICBMs were also the right approach even if they did damage tactical bomber development as they did for a time in both the U.S. & Britain. The real issue is doctrinaire attitudes that believed we would never again fight a conventional war that pervaded all three branches during the 50s despite how recent the Korean War was.
Ww should charge the Soviets and the Chinese for all the development work we do for them, particularly in aircraft design.
Maybe germany should charge for all the technology stolen by America
4:30 Columbus Oh was where I worked on the (then A3J) Vig, Air frames 62 to 68; before moving to Minuteman I's and II's to work on the same computer guidance package as the A5C. Tho it served different roles in ICBM's than the A5C the D17B was the same computer package.
Not quite. Although they first flew only months apart, this aircraft was the first combat jet designed and flown with FBW:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
These were quite similar aircraft, big and fast, although the Arrow was meant to be an interceptor.
The RAN was originally called a B/N (bombardier navigator). RAN didn't become used until the mission was changed to Recon.
I worked on A5s THROUGH 3 different squadrons 5hrough the 70s.
Vigilante, what a great name for an attack plane.
We had two RA5Cs aboard the carrier USS America (CVA-66) in the Gulf of Tonkin 1972-73. After a cat launch, the jet jockeys would sometimes set the Vigilante on its tail and quickly go out of sight vertically. An amazing aircraft.
Wow, this seems like an amazing versatile aircraft.
Inertial, not interial. You're welcome .
My dad was head chief of Maintenance for that first squadron in Sanford in 1961.
that's fantastic. I ran across some old A5 manual's, NATOPS and such for this airplane. It's very cool. I'd be happy to get you a copy of the documentation I have if you're interested.
Saw one of the A3 DEAD, CRASH INTO SUBIC BAY, JATO BOTTLES DID NOT IGNITE , HAD A FULL LOAD OF FUEL, INCLUDING TANKER STORES. NO BODY GOT OUT
Served as the blueprint for the mig25. Most think the f15 was a copy of the foxbat but they are incorrect. The na237 from the ws300 competition, that included a concept that looked strangely like a modern day sukhoi had already studied, designed, and conceptualized. Opting for just a single vertical tail instead of the original two its concept had, the a5 was born.
An excellent documentary... I did not realize that NAA built these for the NAVY recon missions until.viewing this documentary... It is sad how many were knocked out from ground fire during the after attack recon missions... I'm now wondering if the 'Wild Weasels' reduced some of those ground attack placements into hunks of molten metal...
I was stationed in Key West Florida in a vigilante squadron powerful plane ours took top secret photos
Love the story of the fastest and probably highest open cockpit flight.
Of course the real concern for the Air Force was how much of the budget allocation would be shaved off to support the strategic role the navy would assume. They couldn’t care less if the Navy had nukes. Nukes were originally considered strategic weapons but ultimately many tactical aircraft could carry nukes. Today there’s a great deal more likelihood the first use of nukes would be from tactical aircraft. What we called a selrel or selective release. I imagine many navy planes can carry tactical nukes as well.
outstanding video thank you very much
My favorite model airplane as a kid was the AJ5 Vigilante that I built with my Dad. Wonderful video with great historical footage. One quibble: narrator seems to have trouble with pronunciation of some of the script: for example, it's not interial navigation -- rather inertial navigation.
Low altitude nuclear bomber. That sounds kinda dangerous for the crew doesn’t it
Not when you're going Mach 2. But I do understand your sentiment.
The bomb is not dropped at low altitude. The plane only flies at low altitude en route.
@@pat8988hi
As a kid I watched a B52 fly nap of the earth, so low when I waved the pilot. I saw the pilot wave back!😅
Beautiful plane. Weird they didnt go for a twin tail instead of a single huge one.
It looks way more modern than what it was.
There were problems with the twin tails is why they went to one. Somehow (dont know) the air between the two sucked them in and "bound up the pivots". They wouldnt rotate easily enuf for rudder control. Somehow (??) they solved the problem in later platforms because the Hornet had twins. Go figure.
I loved working on it with a GREAT crew but I needed to move into computers (see my comment about Minuteman ICBM I and II computer guidance).
Have a look at 7:08 in the videos at the early mock up version. It had twin tails, and looked even more like an F-14.
@@O-cDxAProbably during wind tunnel testing was when they found the problem I mentioned in my answer to Coyote27981.
@@O-cDxAYes. North American proposed twin tails hoping to create opportunities for a fighter variant. The Navy wouldn't have it. They wanted to minimize weight and drag for the attack aircraft.
The airforce throwing a temper tantrum about a bomber is the funniest and yet most frustrating shit I have ever heard.
That design is still relevant.
The Navy never lost aerial reconnaissance capabilities after the A-5 retirement. The F-14 used the TARP system and the F-18 uses the ATARS/SHARP systems.
1:07 I feel like clearly the Japanese had already pretty convincingly proven that a carrier was an effective platform for long-range bombing :P
Also: The Dolittle raid really didn't accomplish anything tangible in terms of benefit to the war effort.
Saying "psychological impact" is a neat trick to say for when there is no visible or measurable impact at all, since you can't see or measure that.
The actual reason for the raid was PR.
America wanted to be seen as hitting back and to an even larger extent Roosevelt wanted to make Americans feel like his administration were hitting back.
It could be years before America was really ready to start bringing the war to Japan and if FDR hadn't really done anything in response to the attack or hit back in any way that could presumably seriously hurt his chances in his upcoming re-election campaign.
Not really, Jap carrier bombing was not long range.. They was launched from around 275 miles from Oahu for the Pearl Harbor attack with fighter type airplanes.
the Doolittle raid, was launched from 700 miles out. Almost twice the distance (originally planned to launch from 500 miles but fear of discovery by fishing boat..) and well beyond the range of any land based recce or anti ship patrols
That it was mostly a PR gig.. sure thing..But it also made the Japs think about the need for home land defence..Which was really a mind twister to them , Japan never having been attacked by external powers before , ever..
@AntonQvarfordt....Yes, the raid was a psychological boost to the American people's moral after Pearl Harbor. But I disagree with your statement that the Doolittle Raid was just a "neat trick". It was a tremendous psychological blow to the Japanese government and the military. They thought that Japan's distance from America made it almost impossible to be attacked, at least for a long time.
They were so wrong. They were also so wrong with their assessment of how the U.S. would react after Pear Harbor was bombed, They thought that the American people were weak and lazy and would have no stomach for war and would demand to sue for peace and leave Japan alone. So wrong..!!
And then, only four months after Pearl....only four....our bombers bombed Tokyo and other Japanese cities. Absolutely, it dealt Japan a huge psychological blow. And then, just two months after that, in June 1942, a short six months after Pearl, the U.S. Navy dealt the Japanese navy a disastrous and crippling blow at the Battle of Midway that Japan never recovered from.
Japan paid a costly price for completely misjudging America. Japan did, indeed, awaken the "sleeping giant'.
I was in a squadron that had the same call sign as the Viggies, “ CHECKERTAILS, We we’re the VC5 SQD. YOU CAN SEETHE TAIL OF A CHECKERTAIL VIGGIE SQD BURNING IN THE ORISKANY FIRE
We had a squadron of the Checkertails on the Independence on our 1970 Med cruise. Seems to me that the A5's, like the A4 Skyhawks, are sometimes unstable when landing on the carrier. We had one, just one day before our first Med cruise port, have a tail hook just snap off, causing the jet to roll over the end of the flight deck. Both guys, LCDR 's, unfortunately were not recovered...
I'm currently working at an airfield with an F-11 Tiger (still with Blue Angels paint job) and an A-5 Vigilante parked about 100 meters away from the ATC tower.
RVAH-__ We called the Vigalante squadrons the Heavy's: Heavey 7, Heavy 9 on the USS Forestall, in the early 70's.Great history of which I'm proud to apart of (AMH).
Excellent. Thank you.
Very well done, thank you.
Love this plane. First model I ever built.
What a lovely airplane
I believe that there was an A5 on display at subic in the Philippines 🇵🇭
Great documentary 👍🏻
We had 3 ra5cs on the Forrestal on the WestPac cruise. Heard they brought 3 aboard and used 1 for spare parts. Quite the airplane
Thanks now I’m gonna go fly my local a5c
What a huge, tall tail. Why? Poor direction stability?
a lways liked the loook of the vigilante, still looks great today imo
looks like it would be great for the pacific even today
They did NOT want to use the viggy in north Vietnam, went out of the way to make sure they did not get that chance
Am I the only one to notice that in the footage at Kirtland @about 17:00 the bomb doesnt come out the back but looks like a B43 dropped from a fuselage bomb bay OR the port wing? It definitely doesnt come out the back.
I feel like I can see a lot of F15 DNA in the A5.
A shameless copy, but far superior to McDonnell's previous aircraft.
I think you mean A5 dna in the F15. A5 came to be two decades prior.
@@jameseast7966 no, I don’t. I specifically said A5.
I’m only referring to things like the intakes. They are similar.
@@MagMan4x4 my error in typing, I did mean to type A5. I worked flight deck on 4 U.S. CVs, 59,60,66, and 67. We flew EA-6a and A-6e. A-5 took up as much deck space as an EA-3. Looked like MACH 2 sitting on the deck.
Well- after/before all those broken arrows an ejection system like that for ejecting a nuke does seem a bit safer. Is that so or was that as safe/unsafe for delivering a bomb? I have no knowledge on that subject, obviously.
I was stationed in Key West Florida in a RVAH squadron in the 70's them RA5C were so loud l didn't sleep for a week when l first moved onto the base
I say it should be revisioned and land based squads or just go on an use scorpions
Common tech off the shelf without over advanced tech and materials and construction techniques. .........
How history repeats its self? For example, right now every jet the US NAVY has can not travel MACH 2.0. Therefore, the Navy is at a big disadvantage to countries like China were most of their Stealth fighter can achieve Mach 2.0+ at supercruise. I don't know the details on how the NAVY got into this position of weakness... It is just cycle and is needed. However, it appears to be US Army and US Air Force Officer supporting NAVY Officer without advance STEM degree as well as "greasing the palm" in contracts. Now we need to get stealth jet back up to Mach 2.0 +. PS Before the F14 was able to do MACH 2.34 and had no problem doing intercepts.... The Navy has problems doing hypersonic intercepts as well as ballistic, drone and etc...
The Navy aircraft carry Mach-4 missiles that don't miss.
And if they do miss, they have this enat trick where they make a 40G 180 degree turn and come back and smash the target it missed...
@@Triple_J.1 I pretty sure you pass out at 40G... However, if the US NAVY has to rely on US Air Force Mach 2.0 active duty jets it only means budget cuts for the NAVY.... Come ON Common Sense...
@@rgloria40the missiles doing high G turns are un manned.
@21:25 "...the navigator was given an interial navigation system" - This should be INERTIAL navigation system.
I always wondered what plane the A-5 was when I built a model scale of the lexington, this was one of the planes included together with the skyhawk and a texan trainer(i think).. now I know what that plane was, my mind can be at ease now.. 😁
Wait… what? It pooped out the bomb? 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
this would be such a cool aircraft for war thunder
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I don't, I prefer Granny Smith or Golden Delicious.
@@tron.44 😁😅😂🤣!!!
Honey Crisp or Super Honey Crisp are the best! 😂😂😂
@@gregkirchner1108 ¿They still make "Crispy Critters"?...
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Saw the RA-5C trap and cat many times when aboard the USS John F Kennedy CV-67 1985-1988. Such a beautiful aircraft!!! Loud as sh$t!!
RA5C was retired in 1979
@@dougtripp4161 Officially, yes. But it still flew as a test bed aircraft. I saw it!! They used it to test new reconnaissance cameras and sensors. I was there!!
21:27 Inertial is pronounced "in NERSH all"
Non-toxic dipholiant?! Don't make me laugh.
Good video, but that the narrator doesn't know how to say "inertial navigation system" takes me out of it.
Edit: also "fuel deposits" instead of "fuel depots"
Imagine if someone just went, "why don't we try an Interceptor version?"
My dad, who is the carrier 🎉 for over 40 years. But not an attack jockey. Told me reason that the vigi-bird had a second seat was so the guy in front seat could TRY and get it in the deck, and the guy in back seat could PRAY THEY WALKED AWAY FROM IT!
The brownest pants in the sky
Are what you land in after setting the "open cockpit speed record"
31:55 the US retorted with showing the "unpowered reflective bugging device" hidden in a sculpture at the American embassy.
INTERIAL Navigation- only on the A-5 ! ! ! It is a crucirial aircraft.