the Spike paragon should be named "Demilitarization Zone" It loses the regular Spike pile attack and only uses Carpet of Spikes. But it throws out Supermines multiplied by Paragonbuffs and has the pierce of the Permaspikes.
@@kiro253 So your counter argument is that it's currently not balanced? And that is under the condition you superbuff it which in an of itself requires TSG. So it's not particularly viable when you can just get a VSTG itself which also has other utility
You are the first person I’ve ever seen like super mines because imo it’s not even that good for the late late game which is when you have money to waste
The funny thing is in the last update someone else did a run getting to round 200 in chimps (on logs) using pretty much only supermines for dps. They didn't get supermines until after round 100, but they beat round 200 with over 100k saved up. So there was definitely room to improve here given they did that before the buffs. edit: I double checked the video, and I forgot that the guy used ezilie, which makes a huge difference to be fair. Its still a really cool video, and the guy has less than a 1000 subs so its worth a mention, the video is called: BTD6 | Logs CHIMPS Round 200 with only 6 Towers
@@sovietmogus3263 masmaves, but if you just search up the title of the video, or even just search "chimps 200 rounds with 6 towers" you'll definitely find it.
Supermines is a paragon tier tower that has one of the single worst buildpaths in the game, probably now the worst now that Ring of Fire is actually a decent interstage between Red Hot Tacks and Inferno Ring.
Due to the fact that Luck was a massive factor in the late game, Maybe the 502 Crosspath Might of been Better, It also wouldve helped with the rounds that start with an immediate DDT Rush.
Might have* not might of. You’re thinking of the contraction might’ve, which is not might of, because might of in the context you used it does not make sense. Learn to type.
There's something fun about spactory and tacks (specifically tack zone, you all know what we're about) being so crazy good. Tack Zone is a lot more accessible of course but it's so funny getting to just put down an autonomous Machine Of Bloon Destruction and watching it go ham.
Id like to see how far you can get in half cash on this map. Theres alot of things you can do on this map in half cash, especially if you use Geraldo's action figure. The discount water tile for example should theoretically allow you to get a cheap temple that can be buffed by the carrier flagship.
@@Barely_Edited before if you bought geraldo later, the figure would still be cheap, as opposed to if you buy him early. idk if they patched this though.
@@aydenator27 let me tell you that in half cash most cash generating options are practically useless. Geraldo's action figure, no matter how late you place it, is the best investment there is. And you dont actually get it that late, I cant remember off the top of my head because it has been a few weeks since I attempted it but I believe I got the action figure on on round14 by placing geraldo later on. And by the time I was no longer able to defend I sold everything including the action figure and was just barely able to afford a magic/support sun temple. Cash generation is really rough in half cash, it takes twice as long to afford a farm which takes twice as long to pay off whilst trying to despearately defend with towers that are twice as expensive, which combined make it 8x harder to do anything, which makes me wonder if its physically possible to afford a vtsg even on a map as accomodating as one two tree.
my idea for spike paragon: "Spike Industry" $1,000,000 Three main attacks: Global array of spiked balls that regenerate almost instantaneously. Not nearly as sporadic as Carpet of Spikes and much smarter in terms of placement depending on the map and bloons positions. They deal low damage each (in comparison to the other attacks), but stack up quickly. And, similar to the 2nd attack, they explode like mines. Constant flow of behemoth mines in its range. Permanent, but has a maximum amount of mines that can exist at once. Regenerates close to immediately when activated. Deals extreme explosive damage, but has little range, as the paragons actual range would be comparable to a 4-2-0 tack. Colossal, sky scraping spikes at a chosen location (through targeting options) that deal the most damage out of the three attacks. Only spawn in one focused location. When the paragon is bought, this attacks location defaults at the very end of the track. While they don't explode, they remain massively powerful. Ability: Similar to the Druids rupture ability. Causes all mines on screen to explode, including non-paragon spikes. Deals ridiculous damage that eradicates anything and everything. Very high cooldown that limits spam. Deals less damage to bosses, but only so it can't insta kill when the boss spawns.
the problem with Supermines is that Spike balls and Spike Mines are bad towers for their position. Spiked Mines is essentially a T3 tower by dps, while costing about 13k. IT doesnt matter that supermines is virtually a paragon when youre trying not to leak a single bloon to RNG and have to hold out for over 60'% of the total money in chimps when you have very little overhead and known underperformant tower.
Who's the strongest hero monkey to use for most of the maps? Idk who to buy, and I can't spend everything on heroes, because I have to upgrade my knowlege too
Only reason Supermines are not really used is how stupidly expensive it is. But you are paying premium for premium dps. This buff will make it actually more viable.
Yeah. The buffs over the years have made it a viable Bloonaruirus defense cause fortified destruction. By this point r40 supermines is probably possible
@@zhiqiangchen6235 Maybe on 12tree. I dont think you can farm this much money until R40. R60 on the other hand is quite doable even without selling much.
@@zhiqiangchen6235 unless i am doing something horribly wrong, i do farm fairly efficiently at bosses and i would still not have enough for supermines. I normally end up with 014 engi (rushing him, most time got him around R16), ben, free monke i upped to 023 102 village and 5-6 farms, most at 300 and about 8-9k in cash.
99 super mines I don't know You used like 200 abilities and it only works for one round unless you want to go 140 on chimps to surprise your nonexistent friends
Supermines is OP, the only towers comparable to it are Paragons and the vengeful temple and it costs a tenth what any of those do. Its only held in check by its absolutely abysmal back end weighting. where you have to spend 13k on the top path just to get to the performance of a midrate T3 tower for a T4 tower the Supermines upgrade is essentially jumping straight from a T3 tower, to a T6 tower
@@f687sNFM someone got it on chimps before r100 and to get it you really only need 145k now and for it’s price it definitely is better then anti Bloon or lotn. Checkmate
Can anyone buff the middle path and rework it too? Other than bosses It's a little underpowered in general, turn it into moab Mines where it can only hurt moab class bloons or smth
@@lancetheking7524 eh its like 30% more attack speed on the normal spikes But on like logs it can solo all camos in CHIMPS now which is cool i guess :D
he cant, theres nowhere close enough to put a village. and the discount tiles reduce the price of ALL upgrades, including tier 5 without buying a village, so its better there.
Discount Village only saves money if you're going for a lot of tier 3 or below upgrades, spiked balls is fairly cheap overall so I think it'd only make profit if you bought literally every tower under the village which isn't possible on this map
supermines has been absurd since it got buffed to 50 + 20x50 damage per spike pile pierce. it really didnt need this buff as it was already the highest dps nonparagon in the game. and yes it beats out vengeful temple
at this point super mines is just its own paragon
Yea
Lmao it would be if it was better in freeplay
@@Doomness87 its pretty decent in freeplay especially if u stick it inside a random sun temple so it doesn't even use up space
Sus
@@thesus-ing8810 amogus
If Super Mines keeps getting buffs like this, imagine the Spactory Paragon, which I'm dubbing "Spactory Supreme"
the Spike paragon should be named "Demilitarization Zone" It loses the regular Spike pile attack and only uses Carpet of Spikes. But it throws out Supermines multiplied by Paragonbuffs and has the pierce of the Permaspikes.
@@F14thunderhawk Sounds way too overpowered in my opinion
@@perseus_0884 i mean just look at supermine right now? is this balanced? fckin thing is as strong as vstg if max buffed
@@kiro253 So your counter argument is that it's currently not balanced? And that is under the condition you superbuff it which in an of itself requires TSG. So it's not particularly viable when you can just get a VSTG itself which also has other utility
Perma mine storm.
8:57
"So far right it could belong to an extremist group" woah there Isab.
“That’s what I’m sayi-”
*falls off chair*
Based
he said extremist group I think
Politics IN MY FUNNY MONKEY THROWS DARTS AT BLOONS GAME
grow up
I love the contrast between the struggle up to 98, then you just oneshot the FDDTs on 99 with no problem.
I love supermines glad to see it be usable now even if barely in chimps
You are the first person I’ve ever seen like super mines because imo it’s not even that good for the late late game which is when you have money to waste
@@HearMeOutWhyNotTryDick i love it too..in battles its a fkcing monster and even in freeplay this thing is even better than paragons if max buffed
@@HearMeOutWhyNotTryDick i adore super mines
@@HearMeOutWhyNotTryDick Supermines be out damaging most late game towers it was good before the update and even better now
@@HearMeOutWhyNotTryDick to be fair if you cant even afford to get a super mines in late game ur doing something wrong.
The funny thing is in the last update someone else did a run getting to round 200 in chimps (on logs) using pretty much only supermines for dps. They didn't get supermines until after round 100, but they beat round 200 with over 100k saved up. So there was definitely room to improve here given they did that before the buffs.
edit: I double checked the video, and I forgot that the guy used ezilie, which makes a huge difference to be fair. Its still a really cool video, and the guy has less than a 1000 subs so its worth a mention, the video is called: BTD6 | Logs CHIMPS Round 200 with only 6 Towers
What is the guy called?
@@sovietmogus3263 masmaves, but if you just search up the title of the video, or even just search "chimps 200 rounds with 6 towers"
you'll definitely find it.
"super mines did most the damage" "... The guy used ezili"
Can't do both, lmao
@@RoundShades Notice the second point was in an edit, where I admit using Ezilie makes a huge difference.
@@martinshoosterman Hmmm, I don't see diamond pickaxes too often but when I do I point them out
Thank you ISAB for unironically speaking in memes while always being monotone
super mines is the first 100k+ tower you should get now, the high damage against moabs, plus the extra damage against all bloon types
Supermines is a paragon tier tower that has one of the single worst buildpaths in the game, probably now the worst now that Ring of Fire is actually a decent interstage between Red Hot Tacks and Inferno Ring.
@@F14thunderhawk I mean it is a support tower it isn’t meant for soloing
@@AlejandroCastilloRapper it may be in the support tier but.. I don’t think I can even be considered a support tower at this point.
Super Mines joins the "honorary Paragon" squad along with VTSG.
8:59 wtf man you took the joke straight from my mind
lol
youre a teenager like this guy too ? 😂
Super mines has to be one of the most buffed towers in the game at this point along with wizard lord Phoenix
Due to the fact that Luck was a massive factor in the late game, Maybe the 502 Crosspath Might of been Better, It also wouldve helped with the rounds that start with an immediate DDT Rush.
the thing is, he didn't die to start of round ddts, he died because he didn't have enough bad dps which 502 would've done much worse at
Might have* not might of. You’re thinking of the contraction might’ve, which is not might of, because might of in the context you used it does not make sense. Learn to type.
@@dadpounder4209 ok mom
@@isabellenaud9437 I am aware I sound like a huge cunt but we needn’t confuse non native English speakers even further
Thank you ISAB for showing us the buffs for the upgrade "Super Mines" for the spike factory. Very nice!
im glad my second favourite tower is getting the developer attention i personally believe it deserves to the second highest degree
what's first
@@roysparkizay 1-0-0 super monkey
@@roysparkizay commanche commander
@@mank89 what
Ayy non meta player. I personally love PMFC
8:56 extremist Mine
Might finally consider even unlocking super mines
Remember the Video where you did a 5-5-5 spactory? I would love to see it ultraboostet with every buff in the game.
I wonder how early-release super mines compare to now.
It has to be at least 30x stronger now than before.
@@truthfulpenguin, I'd say at least 100x stronger.
literally a reverse perma-spike
@@SupaThePotato actually permaspike is still good lol
I remember it getting overwhelmed by the round 79 rainbows. Since then, the new mini-explosions have pretty much sorted that out.
I love this. Super mines has been my favorite tower since launch ❤
wasn't it literally almost useless during launch
@@BuRble.0 it was bad for its price, but it was still a strong tower. and even if a tower is useless, people can still like it.
@@aydenator27 no, at launch it actually sucked so much. It wouldn't even have been worth it even if it were worth 30k. It was that bad.
@@JFang3019 that's what i'm saying. it just wasn't a good tower.
Wow, congrats! I managed to afford it at the end of R99 using an Ezili + PoD strategy but you managed one round earlier!
Am I going to watch yet another video of someone using Super Mines on one two tree Chimps? Yes, because it's ISAB
ive been forcing super mines(not on chimps) for a long time before all the buffs its just fun for me
There's something fun about spactory and tacks (specifically tack zone, you all know what we're about) being so crazy good. Tack Zone is a lot more accessible of course but it's so funny getting to just put down an autonomous Machine Of Bloon Destruction and watching it go ham.
I love you Isab!!!!! keep making videos!!!
I loved the part where he buy lots of darts
Id like to see how far you can get in half cash on this map. Theres alot of things you can do on this map in half cash, especially if you use Geraldo's action figure. The discount water tile for example should theoretically allow you to get a cheap temple that can be buffed by the carrier flagship.
How are you getting geraldo’s action figure on half cash, though
That’s a lot to save up, at which point you’re getting it so late it won’t scale well
@@Barely_Edited before if you bought geraldo later, the figure would still be cheap, as opposed to if you buy him early. idk if they patched this though.
@@aydenator27 the figure wouldnt worth it if you put it later
@@ffcdgf wdym? if its half cash, youd possibly need to buy geraldo and the figure on round 20 or so, which still gives it a lot of time to profit.
@@aydenator27 let me tell you that in half cash most cash generating options are practically useless. Geraldo's action figure, no matter how late you place it, is the best investment there is. And you dont actually get it that late, I cant remember off the top of my head because it has been a few weeks since I attempted it but I believe I got the action figure on on round14 by placing geraldo later on. And by the time I was no longer able to defend I sold everything including the action figure and was just barely able to afford a magic/support sun temple. Cash generation is really rough in half cash, it takes twice as long to afford a farm which takes twice as long to pay off whilst trying to despearately defend with towers that are twice as expensive, which combined make it 8x harder to do anything, which makes me wonder if its physically possible to afford a vtsg even on a map as accomodating as one two tree.
my idea for spike paragon:
"Spike Industry"
$1,000,000
Three main attacks:
Global array of spiked balls that regenerate almost instantaneously. Not nearly as sporadic as Carpet of Spikes and much smarter in terms of placement depending on the map and bloons positions. They deal low damage each (in comparison to the other attacks), but stack up quickly. And, similar to the 2nd attack, they explode like mines.
Constant flow of behemoth mines in its range. Permanent, but has a maximum amount of mines that can exist at once. Regenerates close to immediately when activated. Deals extreme explosive damage, but has little range, as the paragons actual range would be comparable to a 4-2-0 tack.
Colossal, sky scraping spikes at a chosen location (through targeting options) that deal the most damage out of the three attacks. Only spawn in one focused location. When the paragon is bought, this attacks location defaults at the very end of the track. While they don't explode, they remain massively powerful.
Ability:
Similar to the Druids rupture ability. Causes all mines on screen to explode, including non-paragon spikes. Deals ridiculous damage that eradicates anything and everything. Very high cooldown that limits spam. Deals less damage to bosses, but only so it can't insta kill when the boss spawns.
Isn’t that a mod?
Super Mines in 3023:
Price - $1
Damage - 1,000,000,000,000,000 (not included ceramic, M.O.A.B., and fortified damage)
Attack Speed - 0.000000000001s
Pierce - 69420
And people still won't use it. Meaning it'll get another buff
more like
price - $0
damage - 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
attack speed - 00000000
pierce - 9999999999999
ill be too good and then no one will use it because it will be too laggy and then they will buff it more in a neverending cycle
Nice
2:50 Sauda is no longer what she used to be -isab
8:58 damn.
Thank you ISAB for buying super mines
8:59 woah there isab
Thanks ISAB for using super mines to explode and pop bloons
Cant wait for spacktory paragon, hopefully its just the 5/5/5 spack from crosspath mod.
Well really all it can do is shoot out permanent (buffed) supermines all over the track
If you ever feel useless, just remember that super mines at launch existed
"So far right, it could belong to an extremist group." Incredible line.
Watching every new ISAB video at the gym>>>>>
ninja kiwi trying not to buff super mines for 15 seconds (impossible):
Thank you ISAB for mining the bloons.
ISAB totally forgot they had towers other than Super Mines in that last bit, GZ could’ve saved like 4 separate rounds.
You have to account for scaling,these moabs have like 10,000 health,a gz is the equivalent of like 1 mine.
i highly doubt it but i wonder if a 2tc with super mines could be possible
maybe with geraldo and coop starting cash?
I doubt it too... Way too expensive
the problem with Supermines is that Spike balls and Spike Mines are bad towers for their position. Spiked Mines is essentially a T3 tower by dps, while costing about 13k. IT doesnt matter that supermines is virtually a paragon when youre trying not to leak a single bloon to RNG and have to hold out for over 60'% of the total money in chimps when you have very little overhead and known underperformant tower.
@@F14thunderhawkspiked mines is a mediocre midgame tower and spiked balls is a meta tower,your overselling how bad they are lol.
8:59 lmao nice one
Oh? So youre approaching my mine? Well have fu-
*KABOOM*
Right so this is like the 3rd time super mines have had their damage doubled. Boi. Ima gonna have to start using it lol.
“So far right it could belong to an extremist group” caught me off guard lmao
A ultraboost churchil 2TC on resort would be possible, but round 63 seems to stop it. Maybe you can beat it.
I was waiting for this to drop before sleep
Thank you ISAB for getting super mines in chimps
Dude those Ground Zeros are insane.
Though why aren't you using Brickel's two other abilities?
That's some strong and unstable balls.
8:59 woah bro easy there tiger
Supermines chimps is already cursed, not to even talk about ultraboost!
“So far right it could belong to an extremist group” lmfao
Is grand sabo worth getting early for long chimps runs like this? I feel like it gets slept on
8:58 le big oof
Who's the strongest hero monkey to use for most of the maps? Idk who to buy, and I can't spend everything on heroes, because I have to upgrade my knowlege too
Well Psi can one shot everything on screen below a bad with the level 20 version of the level 10 ability
Geraldo is still good and extremely versatile even after all his nerfs.
The super mines will never stop.
I don't need it
Okie
super mines was the last upgrade i thought nk would buff, yet here we are
Only reason Supermines are not really used is how stupidly expensive it is. But you are paying premium for premium dps. This buff will make it actually more viable.
Yeah. The buffs over the years have made it a viable Bloonaruirus defense cause fortified destruction. By this point r40 supermines is probably possible
@@zhiqiangchen6235 Maybe on 12tree. I dont think you can farm this much money until R40. R60 on the other hand is quite doable even without selling much.
@@ponocni1 mabye, but I have seen crazy farming in boss events so, mabye with extreme farming.
But some still can it useless which is just stupid.
@@zhiqiangchen6235 unless i am doing something horribly wrong, i do farm fairly efficiently at bosses and i would still not have enough for supermines. I normally end up with 014 engi (rushing him, most time got him around R16), ben, free monke i upped to 023 102 village and 5-6 farms, most at 300 and about 8-9k in cash.
isab is in my top 5 fav youtubers
And Yet Ninja Kiwi Not Even Making Perma Spike Permanent.
You come to ISAB for the btd6 gameplay you stay for the political commentary.
so far right it might be in an extremist group LMAOO
Sauda may not be what she used to be, but she's damn close to being an all pops chimps tower. Even my unskilled ass got 99 rounds, very close on 100
you should try to do the cheapest chimps ever, on any map and make it a competition within the player base to beat it
Thank you ISAB for mining the bloons
15:53 Yaaay!
LETS GOOO MY BOI SUPER MINES IS EVEN STRONGER
99 super mines I don't know
You used like 200 abilities and it only works for one round unless you want to go 140 on chimps to surprise your nonexistent friends
Super Mines will eventually be OP, I believe
Its problem is its price
Supermines is OP, the only towers comparable to it are Paragons and the vengeful temple and it costs a tenth what any of those do. Its only held in check by its absolutely abysmal back end weighting. where you have to spend 13k on the top path just to get to the performance of a midrate T3 tower for a T4 tower
the Supermines upgrade is essentially jumping straight from a T3 tower, to a T6 tower
@@f687sNFM someone got it on chimps before r100 and to get it you really only need 145k now and for it’s price it definitely is better then anti Bloon or lotn. Checkmate
@@F14thunderhawk Lotn and even a sg is better
Its just very good wih buffs :D
Can anyone buff the middle path and rework it too? Other than bosses It's a little underpowered in general, turn it into moab Mines where it can only hurt moab class bloons or smth
Carpet already got buffed like 2 updates ago
I would say its decent but yeah there are better options ^^
@@derbabo8455 mind telling the buff
@@lancetheking7524 eh its like 30% more attack speed on the normal spikes
But on like logs it can solo all camos in CHIMPS now which is cool i guess :D
@@lancetheking7524 cant blame u xD a tower with 4 abilitys can get confusing :D
@@derbabo8455 30%? Sounds nice but not enough
isab you made my life better
if you move towers to different plots on this map, do they get the new buffs? if so support chinook tier 5s from discount plots to pierce or atk spd
I wrote this right before you did it lol
I dont really play chimps too often. Why does Isab not use a discount village for the super mines? Shouldnt that save a huge chunk aswell?
he cant, theres nowhere close enough to put a village. and the discount tiles reduce the price of ALL upgrades, including tier 5 without buying a village, so its better there.
Discount villages dont discount tier 5 Upgrades. They only reach up to tier 3.
Also I dont think there was any room to put it close enough
Discount Village only saves money if you're going for a lot of tier 3 or below upgrades, spiked balls is fairly cheap overall so I think it'd only make profit if you bought literally every tower under the village which isn't possible on this map
Actually debuff would help because each mini explosion from the mine would be affected
so its the same situation with cod letting you akimbo fucking shotguns EPIC
Thank you isab for exploding the bloons
Thank you isab for popping the bloons with a buffed supermines
Spac has always been my favorite tower
I saw supreme avocado save up with 2x 032 sniper each with a 300 Alch buff 💀💀💀
Thats a good path for 030 sniper and the alch will help it pop leads and do more damage
Thank you Bloons for being popped by ISAB
Do you all have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Isab who saved us from the bloons by popping them with supa buffed super mines
It's been so long since i have seen isab video hope ur doing well man
Good work popping those balloons ISAB. It was a very enjoyable video until it wasn't >:) .
At this point they would have to change the name to "Ultra Mines"
+500 damage to CERAMICS? That doesn't seem necessary unless it's hinting towards Dreadbloon.
Dreadbloon’s rock layer is counted as ceramic?
@@LynR.M.1378, I’m unsure about that.
is faster throwing on the alche,ist actually better than perishing potions?
perishing potion is better when you are only buffing 2 monkeys
@@woeisme3018 ah, ok thank you
I'm still blown away by the fact that you can now afford super mines on an actual chimps game
you can get super mines on this map on round 98 or 99 another youtuber posted it
can someone tell me what happened to sauda? she was the most broken hero when i played and i came back and people saying shes bad so wwhat happened
She got nerfed hard
Good thing i just got 5/0/0 instant super mine
8:58
Ayo
super mines is just straight up dominating now
supermines has been absurd since it got buffed to 50 + 20x50 damage per spike pile pierce. it really didnt need this buff as it was already the highest dps nonparagon in the game. and yes it beats out vengeful temple
Super mines is crazy
Im pretty sure call to arms now has map range
The Dunes and Ruins have found its new host.
Nah bro, super mines glow up 💀
When was chinook able to move 5th tier towers
Since always xD
You just cant doorgunner t5s ^^
@@derbabo8455 oh that’s it, I messed those two up
If you had the money you could’ve used a tsar bomb and maybe went longer
Nice video
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where gonna have to start calling it ultramines