Wasn't the main issue is that, on its own, it's a good tower but when it's put into a team while it is not the main focus, it kind fall flat? That's pretty much why it's in alot of 2TC back then.
power creep is when new additions to a game are much better than old ones. an old tower getting a buff is not powercreep. if you want the game to be harder, make arbitrary game restrictions for yourself or don't use the archmage dumbass
8:33 It's not actually a triple dragons breath, those triple projectiles are actually fireballs. A while back they buffed 0-3-0 wizard to spit out 3 fireballs, and since archmage inherits the dragons breath, it inherits that change too.
it has always annoyed me how x01 wizard has always had projectile speed too fast for its own seeking. i feel like 200 projectiles should also get stronger seeking to accommodate for the insane projectile speed 001 gives
9:18 obviously never did this much damage but this tower was no slouch. It packs a massive punch but you def had to have pierce to help because it has like…. Sniper levels of pierce…. 😂 this tower was always so much fun to use in the early days. I loved it. Glad to see it get some love.
The buff did help 520 more but both crosspaths have the dragons breath attack, and the loss of pierce on the main bolt and range overall hurts too much to pass. 502 is still preferred.
Lots of factors. Ofc getting 502 is playing by archmages strength but on the right map the fireball and wof offer situational sceram dmg and more consistency
Honestly, triple 27 damage fireballs is too much to pass up, and WOF is really decent with attack speed buffs. And since its such a buffable tower you are going to get outside came buffs anyway
@@PhenonIVagain, it's the lack of pierce that's the main issue here with not crosspathing bottom. You're not really getting a homeland/striker/mermonkey in your usual chimps run, especially on the harder maps. Sure, you got the nice dps increase from the wof and fireball, but you also lost a crap ton of cash trying to make up the loss of pierce. At that point, why even bother buffing archmage's piercd when you have the luxury to buy a more expensive wincon and be done with the run?
@PhenonIV 27 dmg fireball ONLY against moabs. What's archmages biggest weakness? Ceramics. It doesn't help nearly as much as your making it out to be I only mentioned it in my reply cause I thought 27dmg was universal, but it's not, which makes it sooo much worse
Crazy how Archmage is basically a paragon, even though back then NK ever really thought of paragons. And it does a better job at inheriting its other tiers than some of the paragons that are out now. Damn.
back in the older days, i always thought of archmage as a moab class bloons killer that sucks against ceramics, so if you have something to cover its weakness its pretty gud against most moabs
No? I always went middle path for any map that had some kind of intersection on it. There always had been a reason to go middle path, just depends on if you thought it was good or not
it seems like the archmage is doing shimmer even though you don't have the bottom crosspath, but purple would still be a problem so idk if you can get away with not having MIB. Also i bet mermonke would be pog for more pierce buff
What's funny is that 3-0-1 has always been the objective worst path for the Wizard because while the high pierce is nice for the fact that the Arcane Spike spawns a bunch of red/blue bloons and it deals with that much easier, the fact is past round 80 the bolt moves TOO fast and you lose a substantial dps because the bolt will just miss and not utilize its entire pierce. Unless you put the wizard in a good spot or want to save money on camo detection then x-2-x is just better since you can pierce buff it anyway with Alch, Obyn, Striker, and both Mermonkey Top & bottom path
I went for wizard paragon in a boss run for the first time and suspected something was off, it even out performed the pheonix 😂😂 im happy with the buff anyway, its not too crazy considering it needs the buffs to be great
Why don't you use the mermonkey? It has two paths that give other towers pierce buff either with abyssal path or having the final harmonic with +3 pierce. Would this make even a difference?
@@Idc08-xv7qvSome time before mortar, bloon solver was completely nuts and invalidated even round 400 super cerams I believe. (Bloons scaled less back then too)
@ biggest one was its own beast. It never really got nerfed other than an accuracy reduction, people just kinda stopped using it. I know it was part of the first muddy & bloody completions. It was everywhere.
Yo ISAB whats that rewind mod that you use called where you can go back a few rounds? I wanna try a all pops chimps but cant be asked to do it without that. Also can you get banned for that and similar quality of life mods? Theres a mod that just shows you the paragon degree before spawning it and Id love to use that one too but I dont wanna get banned for something like that and using a second account just for quality of life kinda defeats the purpose
I am a new-ish subscriber to your channel so correct me if I’m wrong. But did you not get glue strike/storm because it would override the relentless glue?
Isab buying the mortar instead of the wall of fire deeply bothers me ... Why ? You're gonna buy the WOF eventually, it’s gonna help a lot, and it would be more pops on the archmage !
Powercreep is insane, remember when Archmage was so strong and easily obtainable it was like, half of all 2TCs?
Crazy powercreep
Wasn't the main issue is that, on its own, it's a good tower but when it's put into a team while it is not the main focus, it kind fall flat? That's pretty much why it's in alot of 2TC back then.
@@Mutualititvewhat do you mean by that? Are you saying that it needs buffs and your full attention to be good
@@monhi64no, he's saying that the tower was good on its own but other towers were better when buffs were used
power creep is when new additions to a game are much better than old ones. an old tower getting a buff is not powercreep. if you want the game to be harder, make arbitrary game restrictions for yourself or don't use the archmage dumbass
discount village doesnt appear?? now this is a rare find
Thanks for the warning, I'll be skipping this one 👍
@@plm6523why 😭
@@plm6523 based
@@plm6523 same
ISAB is healing!
8:33 It's not actually a triple dragons breath, those triple projectiles are actually fireballs. A while back they buffed 0-3-0 wizard to spit out 3 fireballs, and since archmage inherits the dragons breath, it inherits that change too.
Let me gusss, old breath havent had the aoe effect the fireballs have on impact?
"I need more pierce, we're leaking!"
The top and bottom paths of Mermonkeys:
What do you think he's made of money?
Its 2mpc pretty sure the mermonkeys would steal pops. Also doesn't help against 140 BAD
the what
he didn’t get them because they steal alot of pops
@@aidanarmaggeddon after round 100
ISAB deciding to upload every single time I’m about to use the restroom
He's in your bowels... watching
Sometimes he just has the shittiest timing
Actually it's other way around for me.
@@thatguykekai2601quite literally
SAME
20:02
not the only thing you enjoy getting deep into
also sauda
@QuAuod-gp3kc🙄
@@jaredcs3570 😔
it has always annoyed me how x01 wizard has always had projectile speed too fast for its own seeking. i feel like 200 projectiles should also get stronger seeking to accommodate for the insane projectile speed 001 gives
Me too. It also looks so much less satisfying seeing all of the shots miss all the time after hitting one balloon.
17:18 sauda: not the first time i heard that
"At least 20 more rounds"
good one
IM DYING RIGHT NOW LOL
9:18 obviously never did this much damage but this tower was no slouch. It packs a massive punch but you def had to have pierce to help because it has like…. Sniper levels of pierce…. 😂 this tower was always so much fun to use in the early days. I loved it. Glad to see it get some love.
1:26 i like buffed monkeys too isab
Haha yeah! Monkeys… just monkeys
20:01 : ISAB talking about Sauda
The buff did help 520 more but both crosspaths have the dragons breath attack, and the loss of pierce on the main bolt and range overall hurts too much to pass. 502 is still preferred.
thanks i can still refuse to use 520 now
Lots of factors. Ofc getting 502 is playing by archmages strength but on the right map the fireball and wof offer situational sceram dmg and more consistency
Honestly, triple 27 damage fireballs is too much to pass up, and WOF is really decent with attack speed buffs. And since its such a buffable tower you are going to get outside came buffs anyway
@@PhenonIVagain, it's the lack of pierce that's the main issue here with not crosspathing bottom. You're not really getting a homeland/striker/mermonkey in your usual chimps run, especially on the harder maps. Sure, you got the nice dps increase from the wof and fireball, but you also lost a crap ton of cash trying to make up the loss of pierce. At that point, why even bother buffing archmage's piercd when you have the luxury to buy a more expensive wincon and be done with the run?
@PhenonIV 27 dmg fireball ONLY against moabs. What's archmages biggest weakness? Ceramics. It doesn't help nearly as much as your making it out to be I only mentioned it in my reply cause I thought 27dmg was universal, but it's not, which makes it sooo much worse
Archmage shooting triple fireballs that each deal 27 damage is adding a decent amount to the DPS as well
Crazy how Archmage is basically a paragon, even though back then NK ever really thought of paragons. And it does a better job at inheriting its other tiers than some of the paragons that are out now. Damn.
back in the older days, i always thought of archmage as a moab class bloons killer that sucks against ceramics, so if you have something to cover its weakness its pretty gud against most moabs
4:33 thats not the only white stuff isab cooks with
Archmage buff was needed so badly. Gonna be fun to see how this changes its spot on the tier list
Not a buff, it literally a little better than 502
I mean buffed 520 is better, but 502 at base is pretty good
7:22 blow it into sauda, not him
Archmage has always been one of my favorite monkeys, just such a cool tower imo
If you do ultra late game it can even melt your computer
Isab you are my favorite youtuber, you’re consistently funny, great at the game, and never put out bad videos
you forgot about mermaid monkey top path that gives increased pierce to all towers and bottom path that gives increase pierce to magic monkey
Dont forget the top path mermonkey pierce buff in a lack of pierce
Finally. A reason to cross path in the middle. You love to see it.
No? I always went middle path for any map that had some kind of intersection on it. There always had been a reason to go middle path, just depends on if you thought it was good or not
@@SwordOfBlueThunder pierce is just mostly better in a normal chimps run and the "no?" Makes me punch you istg
Wall of fire is broken early game but really falls off, the seeking ends up much better later on.
As a way to showcase last resort would you ever try a free play chimps run on it
Archmage needs a superbuff test on Logs again. I hope it skyrockets on the overall leaderboardd
every single time I refresh my home page after watching a 2 hour long video essay I get a brand new ISAB video
you gotta do a "how far can an archmage go on its best map"" typa challenge
1:03 any reason to not just crosspath now?
I dont think he had enough money or did he? Maybe he was just finding the cheapest solution too save for archmage
14:41 "even with a five-stack" league is getting to him
Love the content isab ❤❤
7:08 "Stronger Stimmy" 💀
9:32 HEY YOU CURSED TIMEOUT FOR 10 minutes
i’ve always loved this tower but it’s insane now and i’m beating everything with it
it seems like the archmage is doing shimmer even though you don't have the bottom crosspath, but purple would still be a problem so idk if you can get away with not having MIB. Also i bet mermonke would be pog for more pierce buff
you can beat the whole beggining with wizard, got my black border that way on release day
thanks isab for popping the bloons
Been using an archmage spirit of the forest obyn strat to grind out medals recently. been going great
What's funny is that 3-0-1 has always been the objective worst path for the Wizard because while the high pierce is nice for the fact that the Arcane Spike spawns a bunch of red/blue bloons and it deals with that much easier, the fact is past round 80 the bolt moves TOO fast and you lose a substantial dps because the bolt will just miss and not utilize its entire pierce. Unless you put the wizard in a good spot or want to save money on camo detection then x-2-x is just better since you can pierce buff it anyway with Alch, Obyn, Striker, and both Mermonkey Top & bottom path
4:30 "let me cook with white stuff" bro became walter white
Archmage when Archarchmage walks into the room (he has to lock in):
Bottom path mermonkey could be a good choice to buff magic monkeys. It gives Pierce it gives time to attack and it triggers the dot of the flame.
2 million pops challenge: get 40k pops on one tower and then get another tower to get 2 million
Would a top path mermonkey have been useful to improve the archmage's pierce?
No, the pierce boost is minimal
i love u isab ty for uploadijg at the perfect time
I went for wizard paragon in a boss run for the first time and suspected something was off, it even out performed the pheonix 😂😂 im happy with the buff anyway, its not too crazy considering it needs the buffs to be great
Why don't you use the mermonkey? It has two paths that give other towers pierce buff either with abyssal path or having the final harmonic with +3 pierce. Would this make even a difference?
Archmage is like the new pirate lord (referring to its broken buff back then)
7:20 4xx wizard two shots ceramics; wouldve been fine if you targetted wof away
With its massive attackspeed you couldve build two alcs to increase its uptime
Congrats on the 12 likes Isab
4:35 isab slowly turning away from 100%family friendly?
I think a Permabrew could have done some good work instead of Ultraboost. The extra attack speed and +2 damage on the Dbreath and WoF is hard to beat
if it can do that with some of the buffs cause chimps mode let's see it super buffed
we need to see it mega buffed
I'm glad, Archmage is my favorite tower by far
How come no one's talking about how isab said he's gonna deal with the camos with white stuff
Honestly, for the sake of super old strats, I want to see how far arcmage + solver get with buffs.
Isn't it more like archmage + the biggest one
Heck you might even get away with Archmage with Glaive Lord
@@Idc08-xv7qvSome time before mortar, bloon solver was completely nuts and invalidated even round 400 super cerams I believe. (Bloons scaled less back then too)
@ yeah, but like everyone used to do arcmage + solver.
@ biggest one was its own beast. It never really got nerfed other than an accuracy reduction, people just kinda stopped using it. I know it was part of the first muddy & bloody completions. It was everywhere.
Everyone and their dog making a vid on these buffs:
And isab melts my heart all the time
Yo ISAB whats that rewind mod that you use called where you can go back a few rounds? I wanna try a all pops chimps but cant be asked to do it without that.
Also can you get banned for that and similar quality of life mods? Theres a mod that just shows you the paragon degree before spawning it and Id love to use that one too but I dont wanna get banned for something like that and using a second account just for quality of life kinda defeats the purpose
Apache dart ship and apache prime buff when 🤧
Does the mermonkey see through walls? Wouldn’t it be a good pierce buff in this run?
this is the most wizard of all time
Wouldn't perma brew be good with it for the main attack or nah? I forgot how expensive it is tho
Burn me like the new 5-2-0 Archmage.
Archmage in start of map and max top ninja in mid is the best combo
P-Brew was on the table for so long…
U forgot Lord of the abyss and final harmonic Magic Tower buffs
No discount village today 😢
Question, why not get the mermonkeys toppath for the slight peirce buff if its a peirce issue?
Isab, can you beat 1Billion health boss challenge?
Other youtubers have tried but failed in some way. Can you try it?
ISAB didn't use discount village, he is healing!
Discount village never appeared... ISAB are you ok?
We need to see a a new how long a superbuffed archmage last
One Super Ceramic Bloon:
All this time with pierce issues and mermonke gets left out :(
22MPC is crazy
With this massive moab damage buff, easy map chimps even easier, like just get an Archmage and a Bloon Solver and thats pretty much the game
You should do archmage on a perfect map
I am a new-ish subscriber to your channel so correct me if I’m wrong. But did you not get glue strike/storm because it would override the relentless glue?
Yes glue does not stack
No, glue storm applies it dmg increase and overrides other glues. He didn't use it cause it doesn't give too much of a buff
Thx for the info
Why is stronger stem so much better? Isnt it just a bit more uptime? I use it on every run but just curious lol
More pierce too
@@Kevaca it also gives more attack speed and range
Why didn't you use the Lord of the Abyss buff for pierce, despite being so desperate for pierce to use Striker Jones?
you forgot abyssal warrior buff.... such a boon for pierce cap rounds.
wouldnt the Final Harmonic help it more also lol
Archmage my beloved
he forgot about top path mermonkey buff
Does the mermonkey see through walls bc could he have used it here for buff
Signal Flare? For camos?
Night 164 of watching isab every night before bed
I guess this is my sign to start using archmage, lol
Finally, my beloved Archmage got some love 😭
Why was Striker level 3 instantly when ISAB placed him down?
I watched it back at .5 speed and striker gets placed just before round 27 ends. I guess round 27 exp is enough to go from one to three.
@ Thank you!
no discount village on this video
Should have gotten a support temple
Why didn’t you use the abyssal warrior pierce buff?!
But you do get the firewall and fireball attacks even when 5-0-2 crosspath
4:32 can I have your white stuff isab
You are NileRed right?
Isab buying the mortar instead of the wall of fire deeply bothers me ... Why ? You're gonna buy the WOF eventually, it’s gonna help a lot, and it would be more pops on the archmage !